Once you hit the over 100 bucks price point you're really starting to land in territory that might be better served by an Intel PC, or at least a better established Android tv box.
I agree. These SBCs are cool and all, and I'm sure there are use cases, but aside from that, used office PCs, mini or otherwise, have been the best value around for a while. I made the switch a couple of years ago having bought several of them and they work a lot better for me. At one point not even a year ago, I was seeing systems with fourth-gen i5s, which are still very good for many things, going for $40-50 with their power supplies. Yeah, they'll draw more power than SBCs, but they still draw a small amount to where it doesn't matter much, at least for me. On the plus side, there's far more flexibility with the OS, no worry about graphics drivers(the biggest sticking point for SBCs), and several other things. That flexibility goes a long way. Recently, systems with Ryzen APUs have dropped below 100 and they can handle PS2 rather well.
ARM's strengths still with power to performance ratio. A 100 dollar Intel PC will have a Celeron which would struggle emulating some newer systems that ARM chips in the same range won't have problems with. And PC games that have mobile counterparts are very optimized for the mobile versions.
It is using Cortex A76 core from 2018. Imagine if they would put today's Cortex X4 core in it. X4 has 2x IPC, so basically twice as fast at the same clock. This would be full office PC for a few bucks. Next Orange Pi 6 will be awesome x86 PC killer!!!
Me too... And now I'm running the newest RPi5 and it's amazing. The new Raspbian Bookworm is just perfect regarding whole ecosystem and the drivers are much better compared to previous version (I mean networking performance for example). The only problem is that the 3D Wayland window system is still not complete, so I turned to the legacy X-window system now. I hope it will be fixed soon. Anyway the performance for just 4 cores is awesome.
I remember about a decade ago when I heard about the Raspberry Pi. I thought, 'Give it a decade and it might really be something...'. Here I am a decade later, setting up an Orange Pi 5 Plus 16GB and wondering why I ever even considered waiting for months to get an RP5...
I love very much all the content you are uploading on youtube ! Super greate work !!!!! Can you please check the audio settings, the sound quality is not so good anymore. sound interruptions occurs all the time of video playback.
I thought the same thing, which is why I downloaded the image for it. But it has to get in line behind Android 14, which has to wait a few months while I use the SBC as a Linux desktop for educational purposes. And maybe a couple of projects. I could just get stuck playing CODM on the big screen...who knows?
This board is amazing. With Docker on it, it handles NAS, PiHole and OpenWRT duties on a single SBC. Worth every penny and blows the Pi5 out of the water in terms of performance, value and even availability. I’m not shilling, I just love this board.
I bought the 16GB Plus, since 32GB is definitely overkill. I love that they include an eMMC interface. You can add a 256GiB module for dirt cheap and it takes up zero extra space for an OS drive, while also leaving NVMe open for pure storage. I plan to use mine for the dual 2.5Gbit ports as a core router running OpenWRT (they offer a ready-made image) with a NAS docker image to store media. I was able to pull the full 2.5Gbit across the ports with no problem at all, making this WAY cheaper than retail 2.5Gbit routers from the usual brands...yes, I know that's not accounting for the built-in multi-port switch, but a more robust router with adblock, et al, still makes it a great value setup for 2.5Gbit networks. I needed a PoE switch, anyway.
Nothing is overkill when you are talking tech. The more RAM you can feed the machine, the happier it is and the experience will be. Headroom is a big deal after all. 🙂
@@SkittleKicksPlays Given it's a small-scale ARM CPU (versus say an Ampere), 32GB is pretty hard to fill up for most use cases. No point in springing for the more expensive 32GB when 16GB will suffice for 98% of what you'd actually be able to get running on the SoC. However, I do love that OPi offers a 32GB option for the remaining 2%. I've been buying more OPi devices than RPi lately. They've really become a force for driving the platform forward and putting a little fire under RPi's butt to be competitive again.
Router & NAS sounds like a great combo of application for it. I'd most certainly go for 16GB RAM as well, that's.more than plenty for that use case. The only thing that would bug me, is that I'd want to make use of the HDMI input/passthrough too. Though, pretty sure the RAM at least should be enough to handle another container for that. Perhaps, it gets tight once you do heavy transcoding, but I'd stick to max 720p anyway. Anything above again needs excess storage, etc. anyway, hence it'll outgrow a tiny ARM board quickly.
As well as the specs for gaming. The HDMI IN is an interesting feature. If it can handle a UA-cam stream. It’s a most cost effective way of having that all built in an incredibly small form factor.
Someone did make BELABOX which is a complete streaming distro for RK3588 boards with HDMI-In. I think it was for Twitch, and from what I saw, it works fairly well. Probably could work for UA-cam.
I'm still glad I got an Elgato. I am interested in trying Android gaming on it. But I think it is probably an even match with my current phone. It will be interesting playing CODM on a 43" screen.
43 days since you dropped the classic ETA Prime intro. Hate to see you going away from your roots. I know its something small but it really made you stand out.
@@alexmorgun851 I bought one to initially use as a Linux desktop for taking a cybersecurity course. Some people want to use them to play games, other people want to use them to do work. There isn't a whole lot of in-between. It isn't like they are going to replace the desktop computer overnight. But once Windows on ARM is better developed, maybe. My OP5 Plus 16GB wasn't cheap but it will blow the doors off a comparably priced N95 mini PC and is more versatile.
A lot has changed since then. They have test versions of Windows 11 running on RP5. Must be twice as good on an OP5. On an RK3588, you could run WARM. On a RP5, you can only run lukeWARM.
@ETAPRIME I didn't find an Orange Pi 5 pro at their site and also no configuration with a RK3588s (except the Orange Pi 5), are your sure your datas are correct?
I’m super curious about that HDMI in. Are there any dev projects out there that can turn this thing into an all in one capture card with pass through, plus encoder recorder, plus streaming computer? Is that too much to ask from this. I wonder if it has good hardware accelerated encoding, can it handle 1080p in, 1080p out, and then add a few overlays, encode, record, and stream 1080p.
The hardware acceleration's been something of a hard point for these boards - I have a NanoPC T6 which is very similar, spec-wise, and hardware acceleration isn't a given universally, things have to be built against the Rockchip and its HDMI-In and the like. Usually, commands are on the device's respective wiki to access it through GStreamer on Linux, and there's a dedicated app on dedicated Android images to access HDMI-In, but while it looks possible, it's not the most plug-and-play solution. I need to test more, personally, and I've seen MicroLinux do it with these boards with some success, but as it stands, it seems to take an Ubuntu-type distro with a particular display server and graphics stack and PPA with custom-built software to get hardware accel on OBS.
I have the 16GB Orange Pi 5 Plus running Joshua Reik's Ubuntu 22.04 image doing some rather simple server tasks. I was using an ancient Intel NUC but moving to this SBC allowed me to cut energy usage to 1/3rd (65W vs 20W). You got the chip wrong btw, its a Rockchip RK3588 and not the S variant which is the one with more limited IO found in the Orange Pi 5B and the Khadas Edge2. The S variant does not support dual 2.5gig LAN or the PCIe 3.0 x4 for the M.2 NMVe. I have confirmed that the front type c can run a type c monitor though you will certainly want to provide extra power to the monitor as the brightness is very low (my 16" 2560x1600 120Hz UPERFECT uses about 15W and the PSU for the Orange Pi 5 Plus is only 20W so understandable). I was using a 1TB M.2 NMVe but ended up settling on the 256GB eMMC that came with it. Note that the eMMC is proprietary and actually has two connectors instead of the one connector commonly found on other SBCs.
The thing about Orange Pi 5 and Android is that a good amount of games are made for touchscreen and you might be better of with their Android 12 version with touchscreen which was last updated (for vanilla OPi5) this November. This version feels really nice although not perfect still it has less issues than Droid OS which for vanilla OPi 5 was last updated this April. You can literally make yourself an Android tablet like device with 16/32GB RAM and 1TB SSD that you can use for Linux and Batocera on the side or vice versa. Furthermore you can also use it with openFyde that has both Linux and Android subsystems which is neat but last time I tried it did not work with touchscreen. I feel that 32GB is overkill for gaming and is more on the server side of things however I would like to point out Orange Pi 5 has a long way to go in terms of software support but it will start getting there maybe starting 2024. Personally I even bought one for my father so he can use it for a secondary PC on his TV and expect it to be useful to him in the coming years. On a second note I want the Orange Pi 3B to also get a bit of spotlight while it is not as powerful as OPi 5 it offers 8GB RAM, WiFi+BT, both NVMe and eMMC slots for around of 70$ with 256GB eMMC which is a sweet considering current prices. It is also slightly less powerful than RPi4.
The only games I play on Android support controller. There is absolutely no argument you can make for playing CODM with a touchscreen being better than controller. Touchscreen is a fundamentally laggy and unresponsive input interface with zero tactile feel. After 40 years of gaming, I also much prefer a controller to mouse and keyboard. I wonder if Apex Legends Mobile ever bothered to put in controller support... If Max Payne can have it, any game can.
I am very interested in seeing how the Ubuntu and Debian images work on this board. I am looking for a good SBC for robotics with image detection and classification (OpenCV, ROS2, etc).
I have the 16GB version and the software support needs help. Good thing Armbian has done great work and kernel 6.7 test images are available. I've been waiting for mainline Linux support for a while and it will happen soon.
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Don't expect too much. Mainline is still extremely buggy and will continue to be so for quite some time. The builds are purely experimental, very constrained hdmi support, no graphics drivers that enable hardware acceleration, and looots of serious bugs. Rockchip is expected to publish a 6.1 kernel soon, that should work better. I'd expect it to be usable when Ubuntu 24.04 with an adaped kernel becomes available. Mainline maybe another year later...
I bought one on purpose to challenge myself. I'm re-learning coding and taking a cybersecurity course. Who knows, some of my work may end up in a future distro...
since you have the board, have you tried to install the batocera image for orange pi 5 in this board?, Since it's literally the same chip I think it'll work but I wanna be sure...
I've watched people install ubuntu, then install docker, then install ubuntu in that docker. So you run the OS, only to emulate the OS for safety reasons? Weird eh, but hey its got the power, so w.e Just wish there was a damn vulkan driver,
Lol, everyone in the Emu community is talking about the RP5, like the geeks they are. But you're right. I think this will run BOTW. The RP5, not so much. I am also looking forward to trying the Android distro and playing CODM. I'm pretty sure it will be able to run the HD textures at 1440p with 90-120fps based on playing it on my phone. The RK3588 is pretty close in performance to the Exynos 1280. Gonna be crazy seeing that on my 43" monitor.
I would like to see you do a video where you put this thing through its paces as far as HDMI in. What HDMI input is it? 2.1? Does it support HDCP? How many frames can it handle at 1080p and 4k?
I have a Pi4 and Zero 2 for Retropie/Kodi and a mini PC. Can't really see what I would need a 32GB RAM SBC for, though I'm sure it does have it's applications.
@@GustavoMsTrashCan sure but comparing price of 8GB models of RPi5 to 32GB model of OrangePi5 is simply stupid. And as far as performance goes - RK3588 has the same 4 cores as RPi5 + 4 smaller cores. I don't know about you but for me it's pretty obvious which has more computing power. Plus NPU. Plus it actually is widely available. Plus it has more pcie lanes available and at higher standard. So...
With those dual 2.5G Ethernet ports, seems like it could be a good router. The hdmi in is intriguing, could it be like an open source capture card kind of thing? I’m also wondering what do you do with 32gigs of ram on one of these? Seems like it was built to be a jack of all trades.
I definitely want to see a video comparison on this running Orange pi Arch and 3rd party Diet Pi and I heard this thing might run HarmonyOS which would be great to see a performance video against Android
Hello brother . I have a question: Which single board computer allows using Google Play Store same as smartphone because I would like to download photography app such as Filmic Pro or Cinema FV-5 ?
With the HDMI in, i would be interested in using it for something like a diy madvr for home theaters. Think about replacing a $10k video processor with a raspberry pi knockoff.
Very cool video. I'd love to see you test Ubuntu on it.
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RK3588! No "s"! The s is a specked down version with the same CPU and GPU, but much less IO. The 5 and 5b (no plus) have the S, and don't have the M.2 PCIE3 port at the bottom, nor 2.5gb ethernet, nor double hdmi, hdmi in
This really makes me feel so poor. I think this thing is literally faster than my PC I am on right now. i7-2600K 16gb ram. But I do have a 1070 video card a friend gave me. Lord retirement sucks.
This board sounds nice. Not one of the links provided to Amazon and Alibabi seems topoint to a 32GB RAM option, though. They DO point to 16GB machines, but that's no slouch either. Nice.
Hey when Warframe comes out for Android mind testing that out on this thing and other higher end SBCs that can do android? It'd be interesting to see what that can actually run on.
If I'm not mistaken this is the Orange Pi 5 Plus with the RK3588, not the RK3588S found on the Orange Pi 5, the Pro model has DDR5 + RK3588S and looks more like the Orange Pi 5, not the plus.
The various RK3588 distros have always had some way to access via GStreamer on the CLI. Now if you're talking OBS, that's also possible, but usually requires special builds of things.
Please show Ubuntu OS on OrangePi as I’d li,e to build a desktop replacement with either a raspberry pi or orange pi. Step by step guide are highly appreciated
So how come you call it the Orange Pi 5 Pro, but their website calls it the Orange Pi 5 Plus? A bit pricey for me at $168. I think I would rather add a bit more and get a mini PC though the Orange Pi Plus does have gpio so that would be something to consider.
Orange Pi 5 Plus boards are probably better fitted for NAS if an ASM1160 or JMB585 based SATA controller is plugged in the M2-M slot and this is nice to have a lot of RAM for a multipurpose server, but the 16 GB flavor would most probably suffice. The 2x2.5 GbE is indeed a must and WiFi is not required to my point of view for such board. I am currently setting up a NAS and surveillance station based on Radxa Rock 5B that does offer similar connectivity with a single 2.5 GbE port. The heart of these boards is the Rockchip 3588 SoC in any case, and You can expect decent performance in software RAID 5 for HDDs based arrays. At 2'20", please note there is a mistake in the SoC summary: the chip is RK3588 (Orange Pi 5 Plus flavors) and not RK3588S, which drops the 4 PCIe lanes M2-M key and relies on simple GbE (original Orange Pi 5 and Pi 5B flavors). So 'S' might stand for 'stripped' ;-) But I don't see much interest in this video, as the specific features of the Plus flavor are not tested at all, so the content here is just fine for the original RK3388S SoC based Pi 5 board as a multimedia and gaming alternative.
Google Play out of the box and no side loading. I am going to buy one. I always wanted an android desktop or laptop. I just wonder how long it will have software support.
I love how they are pulling an old fashioned Nintendo Strategy of bringing something that is easy to make and distribute at a low price and keeping costs down on parts. I see a lot more support now as well so they are catching up with the UK.
They make nice hardware, and documentation is quite good. But OS, firmware, drivers, GPU support - is often either only in android, or is MIA. They have a lot of work to do on the software side to level up to the hardware side.
GPU support is in any OS, if you have sufficient skils he takes 20min to compile the kernel with the GPU support. These are mainly boards for professionals if you are an amateur buy a Raspberry PI: you will get better experience out of the box with a very small knowledge.
@@blender_wiki Valid. Except for one thing. This applies equally to images the vendor supplies with the board. So - if this is a slot where its only 20 minutes for a relative skilled person to compile a kernel with GPU support - then this should have been done from the start. So, take your snotty attitude, and your baseless point and jog on. My original point is as relevant right now, in exact response to your comment. This isn't 1990. There are no excuses for this if the GPU driver code is available and can simply be compiled, and put within an OS image on the vendor site. Nuff said.
It's not another, it's been out for a while, it just had a ra upgrade. But I understand. It's just too bad there's literally NO other SBC CPU that can compete atm.
I'm curious if there's a proper ARM fork of Windows that'll work on that chipset. I do like Linux, but every time I try to use it long-term something goes wrong in the OS at some point, either my fault or the updater's fault, and it just stops booting properly. Windows may be outwardly jank as hell and woefully inefficient, but it is mostly reliable.
Please clarify to us Confusiasts. Your main board picture of the Orange Pi Pro appears to INCORRECTLY show the Orange Pi Plus version. However, you said the Orange Pi Pro uses the black RK3588S version. If it is the "S" version, then it appears to NOT support HDMI INPUT. I hope that you take a 2nd look. Thanks, you got thinking.
Check out the AMD Radeon Pro W7500. I stumbled on this card researching my next build. It’s cheaper than the A2000, has the same wattage, and is single slot.
The main problem this Rockchip based SOCs have is, they have issues with drivers and firmware. So basicly you have to do a lot coding and building your own images and often needed stuff is only by reverse engineering. As you already said, you have issues with other provided images, that things dont work and only the android is working good. This means you have to add stuff and build your own linux kernel and that is way to much for the normal user. If the provided images from the manufactor dont even work with everything, how should a normal user get this stuff to work?
They're probably providing too many options. One or two Linux distributions (as well as android) with proper support would be better than a bunch of half supported options. That's always a problem with most of these Arm boarda. Even when it works, upgrading to a new version of the OS can be impossible.
A LOT better than raspberry pi's. I had 2 O Pi 5's they broke on me, 1 mysteriously, one from my own negligence, but I had stacked them and used them to run servers for homeworld, amd DS games - like the DS would connect to it, and then it would bridge it to the other player wherever they live on earth Minecraft doesn't take much to host a game server, so you can imagine if 1 Rasp pi 4B 4GB can do it fine, a 32GB octo core, BEAST can do it better.
Once you hit the over 100 bucks price point you're really starting to land in territory that might be better served by an Intel PC, or at least a better established Android tv box.
At 150-200 there are alot of Intel/AMD Mini PC´s with FullCase, Aircooler and Windows 11.
@@stefans.3940 windows 11 sucks
I agree. These SBCs are cool and all, and I'm sure there are use cases, but aside from that, used office PCs, mini or otherwise, have been the best value around for a while. I made the switch a couple of years ago having bought several of them and they work a lot better for me. At one point not even a year ago, I was seeing systems with fourth-gen i5s, which are still very good for many things, going for $40-50 with their power supplies. Yeah, they'll draw more power than SBCs, but they still draw a small amount to where it doesn't matter much, at least for me. On the plus side, there's far more flexibility with the OS, no worry about graphics drivers(the biggest sticking point for SBCs), and several other things. That flexibility goes a long way. Recently, systems with Ryzen APUs have dropped below 100 and they can handle PS2 rather well.
I don't know of many Intel PCs with an HDMI-In natively, though.
ARM's strengths still with power to performance ratio. A 100 dollar Intel PC will have a Celeron which would struggle emulating some newer systems that ARM chips in the same range won't have problems with. And PC games that have mobile counterparts are very optimized for the mobile versions.
I still remember the first versions of these SBCs like it was yesterday. Mind blowing to see that they’ve got desktop power in such small footprint.
ive still got my orange pi zero , nice little sbc
@@codingfun63 I got mine too !!!
It is using Cortex A76 core from 2018. Imagine if they would put today's Cortex X4 core in it. X4 has 2x IPC, so basically twice as fast at the same clock. This would be full office PC for a few bucks. Next Orange Pi 6 will be awesome x86 PC killer!!!
Me too... And now I'm running the newest RPi5 and it's amazing. The new Raspbian Bookworm is just perfect regarding whole ecosystem and the drivers are much better compared to previous version (I mean networking performance for example).
The only problem is that the 3D Wayland window system is still not complete, so I turned to the legacy X-window system now. I hope it will be fixed soon. Anyway the performance for just 4 cores is awesome.
I remember about a decade ago when I heard about the Raspberry Pi. I thought, 'Give it a decade and it might really be something...'.
Here I am a decade later, setting up an Orange Pi 5 Plus 16GB and wondering why I ever even considered waiting for months to get an RP5...
just found this amazing channel ❤
I love very much all the content you are uploading on youtube ! Super greate work !!!!! Can you please check the audio settings, the sound quality is not so good anymore. sound interruptions occurs all the time of video playback.
It would be interesting to see the Orange Pi Arch OS in action 👍
I thought the same thing, which is why I downloaded the image for it. But it has to get in line behind Android 14, which has to wait a few months while I use the SBC as a Linux desktop for educational purposes. And maybe a couple of projects.
I could just get stuck playing CODM on the big screen...who knows?
This board is amazing. With Docker on it, it handles NAS, PiHole and OpenWRT duties on a single SBC. Worth every penny and blows the Pi5 out of the water in terms of performance, value and even availability. I’m not shilling, I just love this board.
Yeah, they are nice. Though the downside is they aren’t as well supported as the RPi.
A linux video would be amazing for this board for things like switch emulation as well as box86 steam.
Great review and 1st look as always. Would like to see some of the Linux distros, especially Ubuntu/
I bought the 16GB Plus, since 32GB is definitely overkill. I love that they include an eMMC interface. You can add a 256GiB module for dirt cheap and it takes up zero extra space for an OS drive, while also leaving NVMe open for pure storage. I plan to use mine for the dual 2.5Gbit ports as a core router running OpenWRT (they offer a ready-made image) with a NAS docker image to store media. I was able to pull the full 2.5Gbit across the ports with no problem at all, making this WAY cheaper than retail 2.5Gbit routers from the usual brands...yes, I know that's not accounting for the built-in multi-port switch, but a more robust router with adblock, et al, still makes it a great value setup for 2.5Gbit networks. I needed a PoE switch, anyway.
Microsoft needs to make Windows support for ARM official and permanent.
Nothing is overkill when you are talking tech. The more RAM you can feed the machine, the happier it is and the experience will be. Headroom is a big deal after all. 🙂
@@SkittleKicksPlays Given it's a small-scale ARM CPU (versus say an Ampere), 32GB is pretty hard to fill up for most use cases. No point in springing for the more expensive 32GB when 16GB will suffice for 98% of what you'd actually be able to get running on the SoC. However, I do love that OPi offers a 32GB option for the remaining 2%. I've been buying more OPi devices than RPi lately. They've really become a force for driving the platform forward and putting a little fire under RPi's butt to be competitive again.
Router & NAS sounds like a great combo of application for it. I'd most certainly go for 16GB RAM as well, that's.more than plenty for that use case.
The only thing that would bug me, is that I'd want to make use of the HDMI input/passthrough too. Though, pretty sure the RAM at least should be enough to handle another container for that. Perhaps, it gets tight once you do heavy transcoding, but I'd stick to max 720p anyway. Anything above again needs excess storage, etc. anyway, hence it'll outgrow a tiny ARM board quickly.
@@cv990a4 There's some Windows on Orange Pi 5 here: "ARM Windows 11 on RK3588 SBC (Orange Pi 5)" ExplainingComputers channel.
As well as the specs for gaming. The HDMI IN is an interesting feature. If it can handle a UA-cam stream. It’s a most cost effective way of having that all built in an incredibly small form factor.
Someone did make BELABOX which is a complete streaming distro for RK3588 boards with HDMI-In. I think it was for Twitch, and from what I saw, it works fairly well. Probably could work for UA-cam.
for gaming i think no but maybe for making your own TV frontend yes.
I'm still glad I got an Elgato. I am interested in trying Android gaming on it. But I think it is probably an even match with my current phone. It will be interesting playing CODM on a 43" screen.
43 days since you dropped the classic ETA Prime intro. Hate to see you going away from your roots. I know its something small but it really made you stand out.
Did you get power draw for this thing? Wonder if it'd be a good always-on emacs & gcc thing
This could make a full-fledged desktop computer. I hope they're more of it's kind coming up in the near future.
I already use Orange PI 5 Plus as work computer for development. With Arch it's responsive and good
@@alexmorgun851 I bought one to initially use as a Linux desktop for taking a cybersecurity course. Some people want to use them to play games, other people want to use them to do work. There isn't a whole lot of in-between. It isn't like they are going to replace the desktop computer overnight. But once Windows on ARM is better developed, maybe. My OP5 Plus 16GB wasn't cheap but it will blow the doors off a comparably priced N95 mini PC and is more versatile.
3:21 "Windows on Arm" Reminds me of my Microsoft Surface 2 tablet. It's Windows and it's an ARM chip. Ten years ago.
A lot has changed since then. They have test versions of Windows 11 running on RP5. Must be twice as good on an OP5. On an RK3588, you could run WARM. On a RP5, you can only run lukeWARM.
@ETAPRIME I didn't find an Orange Pi 5 pro at their site and also no configuration with a RK3588s (except the Orange Pi 5), are your sure your datas are correct?
Love the video description. Did you use a chat bot? lol
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Would love to see some temperature gauges, CPU especially. Bet it gets hot.
I have a 16gb OPI+ with just an aluminum heatsink on it. I’ve never seen it above 65C under load.
I'd like to see Debian, Gnome desktop, since it has so much ram. As you say, because I'd like to see how the GPU drivers work.
I’m super curious about that HDMI in. Are there any dev projects out there that can turn this thing into an all in one capture card with pass through, plus encoder recorder, plus streaming computer?
Is that too much to ask from this. I wonder if it has good hardware accelerated encoding, can it handle 1080p in, 1080p out, and then add a few overlays, encode, record, and stream 1080p.
The hardware acceleration's been something of a hard point for these boards - I have a NanoPC T6 which is very similar, spec-wise, and hardware acceleration isn't a given universally, things have to be built against the Rockchip and its HDMI-In and the like. Usually, commands are on the device's respective wiki to access it through GStreamer on Linux, and there's a dedicated app on dedicated Android images to access HDMI-In, but while it looks possible, it's not the most plug-and-play solution. I need to test more, personally, and I've seen MicroLinux do it with these boards with some success, but as it stands, it seems to take an Ubuntu-type distro with a particular display server and graphics stack and PPA with custom-built software to get hardware accel on OBS.
Belabox has a custom image for this thing, which basically makes it work like a liveu solo device, for IRL streaming.
Thanks for the video. I think it is a RK3588 and not a RK3588S as indicated in your video.
I have the 16GB Orange Pi 5 Plus running Joshua Reik's Ubuntu 22.04 image doing some rather simple server tasks. I was using an ancient Intel NUC but moving to this SBC allowed me to cut energy usage to 1/3rd (65W vs 20W). You got the chip wrong btw, its a Rockchip RK3588 and not the S variant which is the one with more limited IO found in the Orange Pi 5B and the Khadas Edge2. The S variant does not support dual 2.5gig LAN or the PCIe 3.0 x4 for the M.2 NMVe. I have confirmed that the front type c can run a type c monitor though you will certainly want to provide extra power to the monitor as the brightness is very low (my 16" 2560x1600 120Hz UPERFECT uses about 15W and the PSU for the Orange Pi 5 Plus is only 20W so understandable). I was using a 1TB M.2 NMVe but ended up settling on the 256GB eMMC that came with it. Note that the eMMC is proprietary and actually has two connectors instead of the one connector commonly found on other SBCs.
The thing about Orange Pi 5 and Android is that a good amount of games are made for touchscreen and you might be better of with their Android 12 version with touchscreen which was last updated (for vanilla OPi5) this November. This version feels really nice although not perfect still it has less issues than Droid OS which for vanilla OPi 5 was last updated this April. You can literally make yourself an Android tablet like device with 16/32GB RAM and 1TB SSD that you can use for Linux and Batocera on the side or vice versa. Furthermore you can also use it with openFyde that has both Linux and Android subsystems which is neat but last time I tried it did not work with touchscreen.
I feel that 32GB is overkill for gaming and is more on the server side of things however I would like to point out Orange Pi 5 has a long way to go in terms of software support but it will start getting there maybe starting 2024. Personally I even bought one for my father so he can use it for a secondary PC on his TV and expect it to be useful to him in the coming years.
On a second note I want the Orange Pi 3B to also get a bit of spotlight while it is not as powerful as OPi 5 it offers 8GB RAM, WiFi+BT, both NVMe and eMMC slots for around of 70$ with 256GB eMMC which is a sweet considering current prices. It is also slightly less powerful than RPi4.
Lol, this is a board that is designed to be used in an embedded environment not to build a bad game console. 😂😂😂
The only games I play on Android support controller. There is absolutely no argument you can make for playing CODM with a touchscreen being better than controller. Touchscreen is a fundamentally laggy and unresponsive input interface with zero tactile feel. After 40 years of gaming, I also much prefer a controller to mouse and keyboard.
I wonder if Apex Legends Mobile ever bothered to put in controller support...
If Max Payne can have it, any game can.
I am very interested in seeing how the Ubuntu and Debian images work on this board. I am looking for a good SBC for robotics with image detection and classification (OpenCV, ROS2, etc).
I think I'm in love!
Please do more Orange Pi videos
I have the 16GB version and the software support needs help. Good thing Armbian has done great work and kernel 6.7 test images are available. I've been waiting for mainline Linux support for a while and it will happen soon.
Don't expect too much. Mainline is still extremely buggy and will continue to be so for quite some time. The builds are purely experimental, very constrained hdmi support, no graphics drivers that enable hardware acceleration, and looots of serious bugs. Rockchip is expected to publish a 6.1 kernel soon, that should work better. I'd expect it to be usable when Ubuntu 24.04 with an adaped kernel becomes available. Mainline maybe another year later...
I bought one on purpose to challenge myself. I'm re-learning coding and taking a cybersecurity course. Who knows, some of my work may end up in a future distro...
since you have the board, have you tried to install the batocera image for orange pi 5 in this board?, Since it's literally the same chip I think it'll work but I wanna be sure...
This thing might be a beast as a emu station or home setup
I've watched people install ubuntu, then install docker, then install ubuntu in that docker. So you run the OS, only to emulate the OS for safety reasons? Weird eh, but hey its got the power, so w.e Just wish there was a damn vulkan driver,
its not that crazy actually. you cant trust hardware so some sandboxing is nice. Also you can more easily manage OS. @@lucusdownto
Lol, everyone in the Emu community is talking about the RP5, like the geeks they are. But you're right. I think this will run BOTW. The RP5, not so much. I am also looking forward to trying the Android distro and playing CODM. I'm pretty sure it will be able to run the HD textures at 1440p with 90-120fps based on playing it on my phone. The RK3588 is pretty close in performance to the Exynos 1280. Gonna be crazy seeing that on my 43" monitor.
Someone ran fornite on 4gb model and it got 30 fps only problem was the shaders not working properly on it
I would like to see you do a video where you put this thing through its paces as far as HDMI in. What HDMI input is it? 2.1? Does it support HDCP? How many frames can it handle at 1080p and 4k?
That's trading blows with the behemoths, woah buddy. They don't know know what.
I have a Pi4 and Zero 2 for Retropie/Kodi and a mini PC.
Can't really see what I would need a 32GB RAM SBC for, though I'm sure it does have it's applications.
It feels like a generation ahead of Raspberry pi 5
At the cost of two or three RasPi 5's, that is.
@@csolisr Oh? 32GB RPi5 somewhere? No? Aaah, ok.
@@Promilus1984 Available ram =/= system performance tho.
@@GustavoMsTrashCan sure but comparing price of 8GB models of RPi5 to 32GB model of OrangePi5 is simply stupid. And as far as performance goes - RK3588 has the same 4 cores as RPi5 + 4 smaller cores. I don't know about you but for me it's pretty obvious which has more computing power. Plus NPU. Plus it actually is widely available. Plus it has more pcie lanes available and at higher standard. So...
@@csolisr 8gb rpi 5 costs 80 usd while 8gb orange pi 5 around 60 usd
Great video! Can't find the 32 GB ram option anywhere. Any idea where one can purchase it or at least see pricing?
I'll add a vote for a look at the desktop OSes - particularly Ubuntu and DietPi.
With those dual 2.5G Ethernet ports, seems like it could be a good router. The hdmi in is intriguing, could it be like an open source capture card kind of thing? I’m also wondering what do you do with 32gigs of ram on one of these? Seems like it was built to be a jack of all trades.
32GB RAM? ZFS-based NAS of course...
Just a heads up that your commentary says "dual gigabit ethernet ports" but the block diagram shows 2 x 2.5gb. I assume the latter is correct.
Man this is the one i been waiting for! Pi should have med this, such a shame. Just hope there are proper drivers ....
Would it be possible to install and run iPad OS on the Orange pi 5 plus?
Or maybe Mac OS?
would be interested in seeingthe hdmi inputs ability to encode video and stream to either youtube or twitch. this could make for a nice streaming hub.
I definitely want to see a video comparison on this running Orange pi Arch and 3rd party Diet Pi and I heard this thing might run HarmonyOS which would be great to see a performance video against Android
Hello brother . I have a question: Which single board computer allows using Google Play Store same as smartphone because I would like to download photography app such as Filmic Pro or Cinema FV-5 ?
With the HDMI in, i would be interested in using it for something like a diy madvr for home theaters. Think about replacing a $10k video processor with a raspberry pi knockoff.
Very cool video. I'd love to see you test Ubuntu on it.
RK3588! No "s"! The s is a specked down version with the same CPU and GPU, but much less IO. The 5 and 5b (no plus) have the S, and don't have the M.2 PCIE3 port at the bottom, nor 2.5gb ethernet, nor double hdmi, hdmi in
Quick, what projects do you have in mind for this thing?
Please test some Linux based distro to try OBS Studio as a recorder from HDMI input
MicroLinux had some success with other RK3588 boards.
This really makes me feel so poor. I think this thing is literally faster than my PC I am on right now. i7-2600K 16gb ram. But I do have a 1070 video card a friend gave me. Lord retirement sucks.
I have the 16gb plus. It is snappy! I need to learn how to use that hdmi in.
You put Pro in the title instead of Plus for the model name. Based on their website and your description I think Plus is the correct one.
and it's not all-new. it's the same product with increased ram.
This board sounds nice. Not one of the links provided to Amazon and Alibabi seems topoint to a 32GB RAM option, though. They DO point to 16GB machines, but that's no slouch either. Nice.
Got my order in before they ran out, but Orange has been having production issues with these apparently. I assume they’ll make more at some point.
@@JazzTechie Thank you! I'll wait 'til then. Frankly, my head is still reeling at the thought of a 32GB Pi SBC! Cheers!
Would be nice to see if this could be used as home server using ubuntu or any Linux distros :)
I use it as a Server distro for my small company
There is a Ubuntu rockchip build that is getting close to being merged to the main upstream, so I see the future for these boards
A video on the latest Linux-based Desktop OS would be great.
Btw, which Linux-based Desktop OS is the best for this SBC in your opinion?
armbian
Hi. This sbc can support dualboot via grub? I want to use ubuntu/debian and android.
Hey when Warframe comes out for Android mind testing that out on this thing and other higher end SBCs that can do android? It'd be interesting to see what that can actually run on.
It's cute for a hobby board for sure.
If I'm not mistaken this is the Orange Pi 5 Plus with the RK3588, not the RK3588S found on the Orange Pi 5, the Pro model has DDR5 + RK3588S and looks more like the Orange Pi 5, not the plus.
I can't find a version with 32GB RAM. Even the official site just shows up to 16GB. What am I missing?
So, can it do HDMI in on desktop Linux? That was always the weak point of the Rockchip SBCs, the HDMI input always only worked on Android.
The various RK3588 distros have always had some way to access via GStreamer on the CLI. Now if you're talking OBS, that's also possible, but usually requires special builds of things.
Please show Ubuntu OS on OrangePi as I’d li,e to build a desktop replacement with either a raspberry pi or orange pi. Step by step guide are highly appreciated
ubuntu + gpt4all performence on opi5 for nxt video would be amazing
Archlinux power draw on idle or on the loads
So how come you call it the Orange Pi 5 Pro, but their website calls it the Orange Pi 5 Plus? A bit pricey for me at $168. I think I would rather add a bit more and get a mini PC though the Orange Pi Plus does have gpio so that would be something to consider.
It would be interesting to see a comparison video on emulation gains of this system vs. the pi4 on the most stubborn of games/consoles.
I have just read an article that they will venture in the handheld gaming market orange pi neo is this true?
Orange Pi 5 Plus boards are probably better fitted for NAS if an ASM1160 or JMB585 based SATA controller is plugged in the M2-M slot and this is nice to have a lot of RAM for a multipurpose server, but the 16 GB flavor would most probably suffice. The 2x2.5 GbE is indeed a must and WiFi is not required to my point of view for such board. I am currently setting up a NAS and surveillance station based on Radxa Rock 5B that does offer similar connectivity with a single 2.5 GbE port. The heart of these boards is the Rockchip 3588 SoC in any case, and You can expect decent performance in software RAID 5 for HDDs based arrays.
At 2'20", please note there is a mistake in the SoC summary: the chip is RK3588 (Orange Pi 5 Plus flavors) and not RK3588S, which drops the 4 PCIe lanes M2-M key and relies on simple GbE (original Orange Pi 5 and Pi 5B flavors). So 'S' might stand for 'stripped' ;-)
But I don't see much interest in this video, as the specific features of the Plus flavor are not tested at all, so the content here is just fine for the original RK3388S SoC based Pi 5 board as a multimedia and gaming alternative.
Google Play out of the box and no side loading. I am going to buy one. I always wanted an android desktop or laptop. I just wonder how long it will have software support.
I ordered the 32GB version and should be getting it tomorrow, can't wait to test out some other OS, Great overview.
I ordered this early november.. so many delays
how much $ for 32gb?
@@markokraljevic1590 If you have to ask, it doesn't matter. You don't need it. 16GB is still twice as much as the RP5...and twice the cores too, lol.
I don't think 32GB RAM exist. Only see 16GB. 32GB might be the EMMC onboard storage.
@@StringFellow-Hawke-ek1bb they do have 32GB but in limited quantities.
I love how they are pulling an old fashioned Nintendo Strategy of bringing something that is easy to make and distribute at a low price and keeping costs down on parts. I see a lot more support now as well so they are catching up with the UK.
They make nice hardware, and documentation is quite good.
But OS, firmware, drivers, GPU support - is often either only in android, or is MIA.
They have a lot of work to do on the software side to level up to the hardware side.
GPU support is in any OS, if you have sufficient skils he takes 20min to compile the kernel with the GPU support.
These are mainly boards for professionals if you are an amateur buy a Raspberry PI: you will get better experience out of the box with a very small knowledge.
@@blender_wiki Valid.
Except for one thing.
This applies equally to images the vendor supplies with the board. So - if this is a slot where its only 20 minutes for a relative skilled person to compile a kernel with GPU support - then this should have been done from the start.
So, take your snotty attitude, and your baseless point and jog on. My original point is as relevant right now, in exact response to your comment.
This isn't 1990. There are no excuses for this if the GPU driver code is available and can simply be compiled, and put within an OS image on the vendor site.
Nuff said.
Oh... its another 3588.
*shocked Pikachu face*
@@AlteredCarbons haha
It's not another, it's been out for a while, it just had a ra upgrade. But I understand. It's just too bad there's literally NO other SBC CPU that can compete atm.
I'd like to see emulation on this board. Like a all in one console.
How will the CPU of the OrangePi measure to an Intel N100?
I'm curious if there's a proper ARM fork of Windows that'll work on that chipset. I do like Linux, but every time I try to use it long-term something goes wrong in the OS at some point, either my fault or the updater's fault, and it just stops booting properly. Windows may be outwardly jank as hell and woefully inefficient, but it is mostly reliable.
I love your videos and this device, especially pro version.,Can you make a video of PUBG game test on this device
You could test Windows on this board, Renegade Project supports it.
Does it have a display port over usb or something like that? Any chances to connect with an AR-helmet or glasses?
It's got a display port 1.4 via USB C. Which is the 3rd usb 3.0 aswell
@@lucusdownto it's amazing. Why not use it as the main pc 🤔
Please clarify to us Confusiasts. Your main board picture of the Orange Pi Pro appears to INCORRECTLY show the Orange Pi Plus version. However, you said the Orange Pi Pro uses the black RK3588S version. If it is the "S" version, then it appears to NOT support HDMI INPUT. I hope that you take a 2nd look. Thanks, you got thinking.
which would be the best SBC for COD and PUBG
I'd love to see the Linux images (Arch among them) and how the GPU driver is doing.
How does this Orange Pi 5 32gb board compare to the Rasberry Pi 5 8gb Performance wise ? Which system has the most power for a retro gaming system ?
What do you mean by "Wi-Fi level 3"? I've got a networking degree and I've never heard of this...
I don't see any cases for sale yet that are listed as being *specifically* for the 5 Pro model. Does anyone else here know of a good case for it?
Can it be used as pfsense firewall?
Orange Pi 5 Pro: 32GB RAM
Apple: All Macs start at 8GB and cannot be upgraded
My Mac mini 2010: Upgraded to 16GB in under 60 seconds
Apple won't make that mistake again!
@@tschorsch I wish you were talking about the first apple mistake in the list
Isn't it Orange pi 5 plus?
I wonder how much it will increase once the 60 fps limit is lifted.
Check out the AMD Radeon Pro W7500. I stumbled on this card researching my next build. It’s cheaper than the A2000, has the same wattage, and is single slot.
For ARM server, Orangepi is fine. For embedded, better buy nanopi. What do you say?
The main problem this Rockchip based SOCs have is, they have issues with drivers and firmware. So basicly you have to do a lot coding and building your own images and often needed stuff is only by reverse engineering.
As you already said, you have issues with other provided images, that things dont work and only the android is working good.
This means you have to add stuff and build your own linux kernel and that is way to much for the normal user.
If the provided images from the manufactor dont even work with everything, how should a normal user get this stuff to work?
They're probably providing too many options. One or two Linux distributions (as well as android) with proper support would be better than a bunch of half supported options. That's always a problem with most of these Arm boarda. Even when it works, upgrading to a new version of the OS can be impossible.
Mine is suppose to be here these week, as usually you get things before the rest of us.
I'd be interested in seeing OpenFyde running on it, its much closer to ChromeOS
How good are these things for hosting game servers let's say for minecraft, terraria? Or at least CS.
A LOT better than raspberry pi's. I had 2 O Pi 5's they broke on me, 1 mysteriously, one from my own negligence, but I had stacked them and used them to run servers for homeworld, amd DS games - like the DS would connect to it, and then it would bridge it to the other player wherever they live on earth
Minecraft doesn't take much to host a game server, so you can imagine if 1 Rasp pi 4B 4GB can do it fine, a 32GB octo core, BEAST can do it better.
If I want to use it as a retro video game console, what can I do ?
Are we only limited to those operating systems?
What Python Version is installed on their Linux Distro?
En las especificaciones colocas rockchip RK 3588S, sin embargo es 3588 sin "S", la diferencia en ambas es el pcie lines.
min 2:30
Can you test windows as well ?
I'm a little bit confused. So this comes with a built-in wifi module?
I checked their website and vendor, highest RAM version they got is 16GB. The 32GB is the EMMC onboard flash storage.