I think Raspberry Pi made their own SSD (specifically 2230) because of Pi6. when they release Pi6 with nvme slot (which they should have done with Pi 5) they can easily bundle it and sell more, essentially redirecting the profits to their own pockets instead of other storage manufacturers.
I do hope they include an M.2 slot on the Pi 6, or even add one onto a Pi 500 if they ever release one. I'm sure they have prototypes, just not sure why it hasn't happened (IMO a Pi 500 with NVMe support would be a very popular product).
@@Level2Jeff I also hope Pi500 with NVMe happens soon and will be a perfect mini PC alternative if they have at least 16GB of RAM (great for Windows on ARM). The reason i think Pi6 will launch with NVMe is because they need to upgrade PCIe to gen3 x2 or x4 and cannot continue using same flimsy connector. It will be lot easier to design and install expansion hats from m.2 NVMe slot.
Pi 6, when?! I like RPis but i always have an issue with storage reliability if they're on for too long. - SD cares are too unreliable - USB devices can have too loose connections, or there is some USB related oddity - HATs i've not tried due to the very limited number of cases that accommodate them.
I really hoped Raspberry Pi would adopt SD Express, which is a pcie connection to the SD card. The raspberry pi would be the perfect use case for it, and it wouldn't waste space like an M.2 does
@@acubley afaik all the external ports are in the same places. minus the audio you already mentioned. tho it would be easy to drill a hole in the bumper for that.
@@FeuerToifel No, they swapped the ethernet port back to the Pi3 location, the other side. I probably could just use a scalpel on the back, tho, but I remembered both mine are in Flirc cases. Out of sight, out of mind, I guess. 😵💫
The HAT thing is too lossy for NVMEs. Maybe they should make a small NVME board with a 90 degree connector matching the one on the Pi board. And just plug it in without cables.
@@ThePantygun Like an eMMC, but have it be a uh.... eNVME I guess? I like the sound of it. Not sure if we would benefit more from the controller being on the storage, or on the Pi though, that's a tough one.
First party "basic but known to be reliable" parts might be a good move for newbies dipping their toes into the Pi ecosystem. Overwhelmed by all the various parts out there? Same brand is a good place to start.
I'm a big fan of GeeekPi products. Their Pi 4 acrylic case with HDMI expansion board is top-notch amazing, especially if you want to use it as a dedicated set-top multimedia box for a TV or something. All the ports are on the back, making it super universal.
After the official display with non-square pixels and viewing angles straight out of the 90s or the Pi 4 official case that was so thick it overheated the Pi even at idle (and the sorry attempt to fix it with that fan shim, which you had buy extra, didn't really do much and was very noisy), I don't trust any Raspberry Pi Trading products aside from the Pis themselves. Not that they've never screwed those up. Remember how the original Pi 4s didn't work with USB Power Delivery chargers because the RPi engineers thought they were smarter than the people who wrote the USB PD spec and changed the resistor network which caused the Pis to identify as headphones and consequently not receive power, all of that to save *one* resistor, which costs literally a hundredth of a cent? Yeah, that was a fun one. But at least with the Pis, they make a new revision and fix the issue, the other products, they just keep selling, fully knowing they're defective. So no, you're better off with 3rd party accessories - the people making those actually care because - unlike Raspberry Pi Trading - it's their core business.
I love that in order to show off the Pi accessories which are extremely small, you have to zoom in SO MUCH that you can see the halftone print pattern on the fake wood texture.
I am working on a video for a Minecraft Server powered with a Raspberry Pi, and I was trying to figure out how to make the whole M.2 NVME SSD and Active cooler both work and be practical enough for anyone else to replicate. Getting 3rd party parts to build it out could have so many more potential compatibility problems, but within the time span of me writing the script for the project, Raspberry Pi literally released everything I needed as an official part, which is awesome 👍
12:00 It's funny how Jeff doesn't realise that +99% of his videos are about Raspberry Pis, which essentially makes him the Raspberry Pi person on UA-cam
5 of the last 12 videos on my main channel were about Pi-related projects-the rest varied between homelab, RISC-V, Windows on Arm, and even a 3D printer... the problem is, I'm pretty sure UA-cam pigeonholes certain users into certain topics, so unless you follow someone only on the subscriptions page, you'll only see the videos that are more in line with what UA-cam *thinks* you want to see on the home page or sidebar.
@@Level2Jeff I've belled you, so i see all of your uploads. 🙂 Yeah sure, recently you've made fewer videos related to the RPi, but if we look at the last 4 years of your channel, how many of them as a percentage are RPi related? You made RPi videos before the last 4 years, but you didn't do as many except for your RPi cluster mini series.
I'd like an A+ variant of the Pi 4 or Pi 5 with at least 1GB of RAM, but 2GB would be a warm welcome and a single USB 3 port. And a Pi 500 with 8GB RAM would be SWEET as a modern every-day web-browsing computer.
@@ireallydontknowifiamhonest It's not small enough. The Pi Zero is great because it's more than a dumb microcontroller yet can fit everywhere I need it. The problem is just too little memory...
My problem with these AI HATs is that these are only for image processing tasks. They should really provide variants with onboard memory which can run at least a 7B LLM. That would be useful. Eg. with home automation, you could use it as an always-on low power LLM agent for Home Assistant. Or just to run background jobs, eg. fetch and process news and create a personalized filtered feed. Also I think they due with a Pi 400 successor, I won't be surprised if a Pi5 based revamp shows up before the Christmas period.
I've heard some people working on cramming in a smaller model on the Hailo 8 or 8L, would be cool for Home Assistant!
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@@Level2Jeff let's see how it goes. Sadly most of these models smaller than 7B are pretty much braindead, or at least not really good with instruct following, and produce a ton of hallucinations. Orange Pi 5 has some NPU acceleration for LLMs through rknn-llm, but sadly that's not integrated into ollama, so it's very limited in terms of use.
lol you posted that, and today I tested a few of the 1B/3B models and one said I was a bodybuilder born in the 60s!
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@@JeffGeerling I think 1B/3B model size is only good if the model is finetuned with a specific usecase in mind, and not as a generic LLM. eg. JetBrains has a very small LLM trained inside IDEA which offers line level code completion and it sometimes surprises me.
The bumper could be pretty handy... if you've ever shorted out the bottom of your pi setting it down on a screw or a male breadboard jumper that was on the bench... save the magic smoke from being set free.
Crazy how affordable this is considering you get built in people/object detection on a camera feed. I foresee this causing a positive chain reaction in the robotics industry.
I bought loads of chopping boards that were on offer at the supermarket. I fasten my RPis to them, together with pluggable breadboard, and use the handle to hang my projects on display hooks on the walls above my workbench. If I need to take them down to do hardware mods there is sufficient weight that the assembly does not skitter around.
Peripherals generally have a higher profit margin plus there will also be those that will purchase first party over third party due to compatibility and/or quality. This is how it works for the likes of the console manufacturers.
I love their MagPi. Essentially, it's a trained homebound Corvidae that has revolutionary lightweight leapfrog-class neodymium magnets strapped to its back. You basically install a number of custom made copper coils, strategically placed along the walls of your room. As the MagPi flaps around, it powers your Raspberry Pi for at least a day. Edit: I'm also a big fan of popping on a sock when I'm tinkering with it. Kudus to Jeff for sharing this 💚
Many people, like myself, would buy a Rasp Pi primarily because it is standardized equipment where you can substitute one Pi for another without ever having hardware compatibility problems. Sure, there are a whole number of SSDs that are compatible with the Rasp Pi, but not all of them are compatible. SSDs are not as universally compatible as some people think. Further there are many people like myself that are quite willing to pay the "tax" to know that these parts are all tested and validated by the Rasp Pi foundation.
I believe the pi SSD is just an opportunity to a) make more money which I don't see the problem since we know and trust this brand b) ensure the best comparability so if you are a beginner just buy what works best?
It is an incentive not to ensure compatibility with _all_ drives, when there really shouldn't be an excuse if there were problem with specific brands. A problem is a bug to be fixed, not a reason to only buy more stuff directly from them.
@@Max24871 We still fix bugs with other drives, it's a constant process because some of these drives are a bit crap and need all sorts of quirks defined.
what i like of your comment is that you are writing that comment to pi directly, and they will read it! also would be nice more usb2 headers and led and buttons header for power and similar stuff
@@arch1107 call it wishful thinking. :) Considering Jeff has interviewed the CEO a few times and makes lots of content around PIs, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that someone at the company sees the interest in the idea.
@@LongerThanAverageUsername no, it can happen, they do watch the big channels covering pi related content, it can happen, but for the size, i expect just one m2.2230, i doubt it can fit 2
The bumper is really neat. If I had the same issue I'd just 3D print something, but that's because I'm time-rich and money-poor - in the end, nothing printable beats rubber or silicone for being both soft and grippy.
9:18 that's just a lazy bs excuse, shame on Raspi foundation/corporation. Bro what do you mean you can't publish full specs because they might change in the future? It's a website, not a stone tablet. Just put a revision number on the darn thing and list different specs for each SSD revision number. This is 100% dishonest bs
@@var67 Dude I literally called that "lazy bs excuse". Oh no some autistic people on the internet might be angry about a 2% performance change in a device where performance was poor to begin with and mostly irrelevant!!! We must protect ourselves from the onslaught!!!!
4:35 - Hardware engineer's tip: use M2.5 standoffs in the normal mounting holes as feet. Doesn't fix the sliding issue but it at least keeps the PCB from sitting bare on the desk
@@jamesh9756 and the power capacity is super small, so that's what he possibly meant. Cuz, RGB Keyboards etc, devices with higher power consumption, would have hard time running off a Pi.
I appreciate the honesty at the end on why not do a full review on each item. That's fair. If you do pick one to review, I'd love to see the NVMe drives taken out for a spin. I use Raspberry Pi 5 with a 128GB SD Card as a backup web server should my main server go down. It works, very, very well for that reason. Being able to put a 512GB NVMe drive out there in the data center would be helpful. But as I usually put these in the FLIRC case, so there is no moving parts on these remote installed raspberry pis, there has to be a good pref tradeoff to be made there.
That bumper is great, I'm a gonna print one. Perfect for working on the pi as you say. Full cases are end use only and even then, if the pi is embedded, not needed.
@@arch1107 This comes in 256GB now and 512GB at some unknown time in the future. I'd imagine most people looking to upgrade a steam deck will be looking for higher capacity than that.
@@petermichaelgreen true, but the steam deck was just a example, people with such type of device and need of more storage will like this product if you visit amazon, corsair is selling 2 tb units m.2 2230 nvme, not cheap and it seems they will offer 4tb units soon the size is not a real limit, the cost is, all depends on what and how expensive they offer
When I first started working with RPi’s I just used small plastic stand-offs until everything was working then I would put it in a case. Much better than the sticky rubber feet idea, but I have a couple of 3D printers now and I printed something similar to the RPi bumper.
Don't worry Jeff, you're not the Pi Guy. You're *the* ARM Guy My friend and I always look for your videos first if there's a specific piece of info we need on ARM chips
It's impressive to see Raspberry Pi expanding into storage solutions and AI hardware. The new SSDs and AI HATs will undoubtedly enhance project capabilities. Excited to see how the community utilizes these innovations!
Jeff, Thanks for your honesty - concerning your personal time to review EVERYTHING - I do however, like YOUR style and review processes - Please continue as much as you feel you can -
REVUP YOUR ENGIIINES NOW THIS HERE IS A RASPBERRY PI AI CAMERA FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO WANT THEIR PIHOLE TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFEREMCE BETWEEN FEDEX AND UPS DRIVERS. NOW ITS NOT FOR ME BUT IT TAKES ALL KINDS..
I like the bumpers. I need to grab a couple. I usually just use some plastic standoffs. They also help to stop the boards from shorting out on anything metal on the desk.
Btw., that ai hat from Hailo is useless if you want to do anything besides run their precompiled models with the rpi-cam apps. Their documentation is very lackluster and the compiler is a pain to get started with and if you do get it working, there is no easy way to use your custom model. Lastly I was unable to find any information on their supposed python library...
I am not sure why companies are allergic to making new skus when older products are no longer being made. If they cannot get the parts to create the nvme that they are making today then make a different sku. Not everyone has to follow in the footsteps of the other manufactures.
I agree, the bumper is a useful product worth purchasing. I have (so far) had good luck with the Amazon basics SD cards. An NVME is far more suited to operating system use, and would be my preference.
I’m not too familiar with drive performance but this seems decent at that price point and form factor? Might grab one, I’ve got a full size nvme on a bottom board hat currently that I could use elsewhere.
Yeah, it's better than I expected. Usually OEMs will use cheaper chips, but these are older (PCIe Gen 3, since that's what the Pi's bus uses) but decent.
For extreme outdoor applications ( -40 degrees ) I’ve only found 2 manufacturer that make microSD for that operating temp. Interestingly they both called them “Industrial” Maybe Raspberry Pi could get their brand on that category
Yeah, those cards typically cost a bit more but I've bought five or so and throw them in Pis where I know it could get a bit cold out. None have failed me so far! A couple from Kingston, and one I think from Sony? Might've been a SanDisk.
Wow, -40 C!!!! I wish it still got cold here but last winter in Toronto we never saw a temperature below -15 C. People from warm climates *say* they like the warmer winters of the last decade or so, but they don't like the low water levels, sudden spring flooding, ground-nesting wasps, mosquito-vectored diseases like West Nile virus, tick-borne diseases like Lyme, or slushy, muddy ground anywhere you would otherwise go for a nice walk. We only slowly come to realize these problems exist because it doesn't get cold enough at midwinter. :((
Bundled with a Argon One this would be a neat combo. Speaking of which, I find it sad that Argon cases are really the only ones that try to route every IO to the back, so people can actually use the Pi like a desktop machine or have an easier time setting it up in a rack for say a Retro Game device or small server.
2230 SSDs are getting more and more traction. The German price comparison engine Geizhals lists more 2230 drives than 2242 these days - almost twice as many, actually.
the flash chips are getting more and more storage space, we are at a point where a single chip can hold 512gb, while user demand for big SSDs has not appeared yet
@@marcogenovesi8570 There is plenty of demand, But not at these prices, low warranties and high random fatal-failure rates compared to HDDs. Although, HDDs also suck now due to monopolization of production.
That is pretty common in the OEM storage market where they only list the generic specs. Vendors rarely support their products for 10 years, so almost no way they are going to say that they are going to say they will work for 10 years. Lifetime for most SSD products is usually between about 5-7 years.
Quick internet search says that they are being made by Longsys which is also known as Lexar in the US. Companies don't just start making NAND, they have someone else put their label on it, and given that says "made in China" limits it to one of 2 different brands if I am not mistaken.
1:52 I checked Kevin’s video and he covered it very well. Another usecase for the camera is getting vision capabilities without compromising the only PCIe slot we have like we do for Hailo. (Or tripling vision options with 2 AI Cameras + Hailo chip)
@@Level2Jeff I have a zero lying around and 2 AI cameras preordered. I might try something, but setup needs to be discreet, or my wife would never approve
When you said _"A TV hat for receiving TV signals",_ I was only half listening and pictured a _"propellor beanie"_ with a TV antenna and mast in the center. (Or maybe the _"rabbit ears"_ antenna I was familiar with growing up.)
Sony does interesting things with cameras. I have an Xperia XZ Premium with a 4K display and a 19 MP camera. While 19 MP may not sound impressive on its own it also has a camera mode that can at times take additional photos behind the scene that you can choose from later and it is not some weird image format that no one knows how to use either. It can also do short 960 FPS slow motion clips at 720p. They have a memory buffer built into the image sensor on the back side of it and that is how they get such high speed but in such short bursts but also how that predictive image capture that works silently in the background works. That basically causes it to take a couple more photos you can choose from later if it thought for even a second you may like a different exposure or other setting. This is a device that was announced in 2017 so considering that and other models of Sony phones they were ahead of their time. I had a Z1s I got used and it was also a really nice device. It had a 20.7 MP camera that while didn't do slow motion it did impress me with the quality of the camera. These devices also look good and are water resistant. They are slim and have no camera bumps. Back when these were first released they were premium smart phones and even today they still look good. If you have a device other than Sony there is still a good chance it has one of their image sensors in it so if you think you are free from Sony think again, they are everywhere! I am not trying to say that Sony is the only one making devices so advanced but they may be among the first manufacturers to do it and actually sell it and not just tease us with a product we would never see (I hate that!).
PF could just publish full specs with a model revisions number. When a new one is released, increment the model revision and specs to match. Isn't that what everyone else is doing?
Seems like someone with more skills than I, could publish a printable design for that bumper. Even if you had to stick feet on it it would be better than sticking them on the PCB, and printed with TPU might be non-slip enough.
I've noticed with the 2230 nvme drives that heat becomes an issue very quickly. i've had to peel the label and stick on some small heatsinks on a couple of mine.
"We might have to change it later so we don't want to give exact numbers" is *not a valid excuse.* What they're actually saying is "we don't want to have to tell you when we start selling you crap instead, so you hopefully won't notice and will keep buying it anyway". It's a sleazy and cynical way to treat your customers, and should not just be glossed over. The *correct* way to deal with that problem is to _publish the full specs_ and if you need to change it later *clearly indicate when the product changes* (and publish updated info). If the specs aren't the same as they used to be, you should *give it a new model number* so that people know *it's not actually the same device* as what they bought 6 months ago, and may not perform exactly the same.
I have a Pi 4 and I have been wanting to get something like the bumper for ever. I have a fan hat and I use the GPIO pins for some stuff and since I leave it on 24/7 I want something that at least makes it harder to just slide down and protects the bottom. I got the official case and tried to only use the bottom part, but it didn't work for me (I don't remember why)
They make all these accessories for the Pi5 so that next year, with the Pi6, you'll have to buy everything all over again because they'll slightly change the board layout....again
I don't own a raspberry pi but I do own a 3D printer and I am constantly impressed with the properties of TPU. I'm still not good at modeling though and it doesn't help that I don't own a raspberry pi, yet lol. Maybe I should have checked before writing this, maybe someone has already designed a 3D printable version of the silicone bumper.. If they haven't though and someone that knows how to do it reads this, I can't imagine it being difficult to print and I'm sure they're reasonably priced but a 3D printed version would be even cheaper. They would also be nice just to be able to print one if you need one. Even if someone designs one and doesn't want to give it away for free, a one-time fee of a few dollars would surely be worth it if you needed more than one of the bumpers.
I hope the SD cards have a lot of spare cells for wear leveling. This is why I buy "high endurance" or "industrial" SDs, although obviously, if there is a need for high I/O, it should be stored somewhere like an iSCSI LUN mounted, NFS filesystem, or a local SSD.
0:46 what with that stuttering in the video? you are not the only channel who did this. There are nearly every new video on UA-cam that doing those stuttering/glitches.
Yeah... for me, unfortunately it's a glitch in my OBS setup. I've been hacking away at different formats/encoders for months, and the settings I have now are the most reliable. However, it glitches the audio every 10-20 minutes of recording. When I'm at my other recording areas, I go straight into a Blackmagic monitor that records direct from the analog audio... so there's no glitching there. Might have to bite the bullet and get a different recording setup at my editing desk too someday.
@@Level2Jeff I was curious about it. I have seen this behavior on many other channels. It makes sense if obs has a problem. Many UA-camrs use obs and if it is a bug of a certain version that is actual around, then it makes a lot of sense why so many channels have those glitches. ^^
Many years of working with video software & hardware, taught me the value of high quality hardware: a KiPro is your best friend, for realtime recording with zero hiccups.
My cynical brain - because it's easy to approve a single vendor and make a purchase order to a single company when you are a business/education consumer. That means they're going to be able to pick up sales of accessories with a high markup in those markets.
3:15 this alone made this vid worth for me. (Not to mention the explanation about the 26 TOPS chip) Was looking for a way to jam NVMe with Hailo-8L, and next step is to understand if I can switch models faster on the chip. I want to use 5 different models on the same device, whether by the same Hailo chip or different addons like the AI Camera x2 and Coral on USB3.
same, i has make SD card copy to my external usb SSD but not working well, freeze OS or errors lot if copy my SD card to SSD. i need NOT use newer SD card, many card has go fast broken and freeze all OS, or not boot. need be SSD boot and use, same lot have memory problem need clean small shit SD card lot files off can looking netflix or yotube. and not working well my raspi4 table computer biggest than 32gb SD card. need be SSD 1TB can working good.
If only we had the "Raspberry Pi bumper" for all the (R.I.P.) Raspberry Pi 3's and 4's that were victims while working on our smart lab for medical research at work 🙄 It seems like one of those simple and effective products that makes us slap our forehead while saying "why didn't anyone think of this before?". Is this specific to the Pi 5 or can it be used with older Pis (3b+, 4b+, etc.)? Also, wondering if the M.2 Hailo hat would work with non-RPi hardware / processors - specifically low power x86 based systems? (*hint* wouldn't mind a video on that *hint* 😀). Great video as always - always full of useful information!
I just ordered a 64GB Pi branded microSD from Digi-Key for $6.49. Yeah, shipping is flat at $7 but I had other parts in my order so to me this was dirt cheap from a reliable source!
Another excellent video by @Level2Jeff! I really enjoy these videos. Just a question for Jeff - do you program in Python for your Pi work? Did you do programming before getting into Pi? I'm really thinking of learning Python and picking up a Pi. I haven't programmed since high school and I think it would be good to get back into programming. I have a lot of software ideas, so I guess it's just a matter of making time.
I do mostly Python these days, though not nearly as much as I used to. I started out in PHP, and moved on to Java and Python for various projects. The bulk of my development career was managing Drupal, Wordpress, Magento, and other PHP-based CMS installations. I worked on frontend/theming, backend development, and then eventually moved on to infrastructure, where I spent a lot of time with Ansible and Kubernetes (that, incidentally, led me to spending a lot of time tinkering with Pis, since it was a cheap way to replicate infrastructure in bare metal, locally).
I think the AI camera is really interesting for low power applications, particularly if you can stream to the pi only the interesting frames determined by ai. Transmission of frames from camera to pi costs power and most frames are not interesting in many/most use cases
Hey Jeff, Had an interesting idea, thought of 3d Printing a "push pin" of sorts, basically a little T that you can stick the bumper onto that would press fit into those mounting holes in the pi ? ( @5:00 ) You could probably print off a dozen or so, stick the bumpers to them and they'd be a lot easier to reuse (instead of wearing out the sticky) You could even add a small shoulder to keep the pins propped up a little higher and aid airflow
I do really hope that those NPUs become more common and powerful. I want a low power addin card for my homeserver for LLM and TTS so i can integrate it into my smart home and replace Alexa.
I hate to state the obvious, but tgat AI camera NEEDS a video. Think of pairing it to a Zero and build a Ring Doorbell on steroids. Just saying. No longer does your doorbell just ping when someone is at the door, it knows who it should be, what behaviour to warn you about ("Suspicious activity at door. What would you like done?"), see and maybe read packages, and more. Thank you for the update. I guess you can figure out my next project.
#Level 2 Jeff : speaking of microSD cards, Jeff do you happen to know why Raspberry Pi's stop working properly after several months of continuous use with extreme endurance microSD cards ? (when they stop working even powering them off and on again doesn't bring them back to a functional state, you actually have to take out the microSD card and reformat/install the OS and everything else in order to make it work properly again) Any ideas why this happens ? (it already happened to me on several models, from Pi 2B's to Pi 4B's) Have you ever had this happen to one or more of your RPi's ?
Which exact pi models? Which OSes? What applications are you running continuously? Which high-endurance cards are you running? What volume of data is written to the card over your months of use? When you take the dead card out and look at it on a different computer, what kind of failure mode does it appear to have? If this were happening to everyone, you'd be seeing that industrial customers would stop buying pis (around the end of 2016), so I suspect that something your application is doing is slowly corrupting the file systems. Possibly the application does nothing wrong, but is triggering a bug in the Pi's firmware or hardware. Have you tried running similar loads, also on SD cards, on other computers running Rasberry Pi OS (x86 verion), like a NUC or a tiny PC? Presumably that's not what you *want* to do, but it might help eliminate the OS and the storage medium from the problem.
I've never had a (default!) Raspbian install survive more than a few years of updates, on an SD card; but none were ever recoverable after failure, either... So, I think you're experiencing a different issue than I am. (My experience, is that even high-endurance SD cards fail faster than an SSD, & that even the best SSDs are less reliable than a 2TB HDD that's sat on a shelf the last ten years. Modern HDDs being terrible, doesn't make SSDs "reliable"...)
@@TaiViinikka it's a RPi 4B (4GB RAM) running the default Pi OS (64-bit) without the GUI desktop (found on the Raspberry Pi website). It has "syncthing" installed on it and that's about it (this RPi serves a single purpose : synchronizing files between my PC's). I have connected an external USB SSD to store the synced files/folders and also moved the syncthing configuration files to this external disk (in case reliability problems like this like this happen since I have had this issue happen to me before on other RPi's, this way I don't have to configure syncthing again I can just point it to the config files on the external disk). I haven't tried running similar loads on other computers on SD cards since I don't have a NUC or Tiny PC that I can use for that specific purpose.
suggestion: try out BigThreeTech Pi2? i't has Rockchip RK3566, 2GB RAM, 32GB eMMC, M.2 for another SSD (PCIe 2.1), 5G wifi, gigabit ethernet and can be powered over USB or 12-24V (screw terminal) but has only one USB 3.0
@@prophetzarquon ha. I build educational cubesats that will never fly. That being said, having any AI processing capabilities in such a small form factor is a pretty cool demonstration, although not practical in SpAce as is.
I appreciate the compatibility value; but give that almost all of the SSDs and cards work in almost every PC, isn't the interoperability problem the Raspberry Pi itself? This feels like their power supply: they've set their requirements so finely that you end up needing to buy their version of a what should be a commodity part, for it to work perfectly?
In the case of the Pi, it's usually a problem where some NVMe commands don't seem to work on arm64, or with the Broadcom PCIe implementation specifically, and a lot of times it's from quirks in the way the address space is assigned on the Pi. Some of these bugs are being ironed out over time, though-a lot more cards work today than just a year ago, all through software tweaks.
I do think that CM5 is going to come out soon and they are just tapping to the potential profit they can get from selling their own ssd. I think the lack of detail spec on their ssd is reflection of that thinking. I could be wrong though.
Mouser has listings for the CM5 Case (search SC1753), heatsink (SC1752), and IO board (SC1751), but not the CM5. The case and heatsink are expected on 2024-11-20. No date listed for the IO Board, but the photo does show an m.2 slot.
I think Raspberry Pi made their own SSD (specifically 2230) because of Pi6. when they release Pi6 with nvme slot (which they should have done with Pi 5) they can easily bundle it and sell more, essentially redirecting the profits to their own pockets instead of other storage manufacturers.
I do hope they include an M.2 slot on the Pi 6, or even add one onto a Pi 500 if they ever release one. I'm sure they have prototypes, just not sure why it hasn't happened (IMO a Pi 500 with NVMe support would be a very popular product).
@@Level2Jeff I hope they have two slots for redundancy but that might be hoping for too much :(
@@Level2Jeff I also hope Pi500 with NVMe happens soon and will be a perfect mini PC alternative if they have at least 16GB of RAM (great for Windows on ARM). The reason i think Pi6 will launch with NVMe is because they need to upgrade PCIe to gen3 x2 or x4 and cannot continue using same flimsy connector. It will be lot easier to design and install expansion hats from m.2 NVMe slot.
Pi 6, when?!
I like RPis but i always have an issue with storage reliability if they're on for too long.
- SD cares are too unreliable
- USB devices can have too loose connections, or there is some USB related oddity
- HATs i've not tried due to the very limited number of cases that accommodate them.
I really hoped Raspberry Pi would adopt SD Express, which is a pcie connection to the SD card. The raspberry pi would be the perfect use case for it, and it wouldn't waste space like an M.2 does
Hard agree that the $3 bumper is our greatest accessory yet.
Do the holes line up enough to use on a 4? (I know it doesn't have the headphone jack cutout, which I don't use anyway :-)
@@acubley afaik all the external ports are in the same places. minus the audio you already mentioned. tho it would be easy to drill a hole in the bumper for that.
@@FeuerToifel No, they swapped the ethernet port back to the Pi3 location, the other side. I probably could just use a scalpel on the back, tho, but I remembered both mine are in Flirc cases. Out of sight, out of mind, I guess. 😵💫
good case have better can add audio card,UPS,ice cooler, what want use. all HAT etc. stupid keep pi open board. good case better. on table.
@@mattivirta Do you happen to smell burnt toast?
Petition to call pi nvme etc bases "Shoes". We've already got hats for main pi and socks for picos.
The HAT thing is too lossy for NVMEs. Maybe they should make a small NVME board with a 90 degree connector matching the one on the Pi board. And just plug it in without cables.
Booties
Diapers
@@ThePantygun Like an eMMC, but have it be a uh.... eNVME I guess? I like the sound of it. Not sure if we would benefit more from the controller being on the storage, or on the Pi though, that's a tough one.
Single-chip embedded NVME SSDs do actually exist.
First party "basic but known to be reliable" parts might be a good move for newbies dipping their toes into the Pi ecosystem. Overwhelmed by all the various parts out there? Same brand is a good place to start.
Indeed. Their own products are likely to be a known quantity and hence well supported.
I'm a big fan of GeeekPi products. Their Pi 4 acrylic case with HDMI expansion board is top-notch amazing, especially if you want to use it as a dedicated set-top multimedia box for a TV or something. All the ports are on the back, making it super universal.
After the official display with non-square pixels and viewing angles straight out of the 90s or the Pi 4 official case that was so thick it overheated the Pi even at idle (and the sorry attempt to fix it with that fan shim, which you had buy extra, didn't really do much and was very noisy), I don't trust any Raspberry Pi Trading products aside from the Pis themselves.
Not that they've never screwed those up. Remember how the original Pi 4s didn't work with USB Power Delivery chargers because the RPi engineers thought they were smarter than the people who wrote the USB PD spec and changed the resistor network which caused the Pis to identify as headphones and consequently not receive power, all of that to save *one* resistor, which costs literally a hundredth of a cent? Yeah, that was a fun one. But at least with the Pis, they make a new revision and fix the issue, the other products, they just keep selling, fully knowing they're defective.
So no, you're better off with 3rd party accessories - the people making those actually care because - unlike Raspberry Pi Trading - it's their core business.
@@hellterminator I have a first edition 4GB Pi 4, and use the official Canakit PSU and don't have problems. But yeah, that's wild that they did that.
@@JayrosModShop Yeah, "dumb" chargers don't have a problem, but Power Delivery ones do. Most notably, it didn't work with USB-C laptop chargers.
I love that in order to show off the Pi accessories which are extremely small, you have to zoom in SO MUCH that you can see the halftone print pattern on the fake wood texture.
Heh, someday I'll get a real wood desk :D
I am working on a video for a Minecraft Server powered with a Raspberry Pi, and I was trying to figure out how to make the whole M.2 NVME SSD and Active cooler both work and be practical enough for anyone else to replicate. Getting 3rd party parts to build it out could have so many more potential compatibility problems, but within the time span of me writing the script for the project, Raspberry Pi literally released everything I needed as an official part, which is awesome 👍
12:00 It's funny how Jeff doesn't realise that +99% of his videos are about Raspberry Pis, which essentially makes him the Raspberry Pi person on UA-cam
5 of the last 12 videos on my main channel were about Pi-related projects-the rest varied between homelab, RISC-V, Windows on Arm, and even a 3D printer... the problem is, I'm pretty sure UA-cam pigeonholes certain users into certain topics, so unless you follow someone only on the subscriptions page, you'll only see the videos that are more in line with what UA-cam *thinks* you want to see on the home page or sidebar.
@@Level2Jeff I've belled you, so i see all of your uploads. 🙂
Yeah sure, recently you've made fewer videos related to the RPi, but if we look at the last 4 years of your channel, how many of them as a percentage are RPi related? You made RPi videos before the last 4 years, but you didn't do as many except for your RPi cluster mini series.
@@Shocker99 I'm not saying I don't do a lot of Pi stuff, but it's very far from 99% ;)
@@Level2Jeff Pi-geonholed 🤭
So their NVME is a Samsung 980 ?
Yeah. And his videos are terrible, misleading and economically not thought out.
Worth remembering Sony makes these cameras - and Sony owns a chunk of RPI trading.
Sony also make the Raspberry Pi in their factory in Wales
This is a nothing burger
No wonder why the price of the pi skyrocketed.
Pi6 can be cheaper than original Pi
All they have to do is get rid of everything that wasn't on original Pi
All I want from the Pi Foundation these days is a Pi 0 with MORE MEMORY!!!
Mmm... Pi Zero 2 with 1+ GB RAM would be nice.
@@Level2Jeff Feels more like a Pi Zero 3 thing tbh
at this point i would just consider the CM4 to be the new RPi Zero 3
I'd like an A+ variant of the Pi 4 or Pi 5 with at least 1GB of RAM, but 2GB would be a warm welcome and a single USB 3 port. And a Pi 500 with 8GB RAM would be SWEET as a modern every-day web-browsing computer.
@@ireallydontknowifiamhonest It's not small enough. The Pi Zero is great because it's more than a dumb microcontroller yet can fit everywhere I need it. The problem is just too little memory...
Thanks for the mention Jeff 😃
You're quite welcome! Thanks for covering all the stuff you cover!
Oh snap it's leepsp
My problem with these AI HATs is that these are only for image processing tasks. They should really provide variants with onboard memory which can run at least a 7B LLM. That would be useful. Eg. with home automation, you could use it as an always-on low power LLM agent for Home Assistant. Or just to run background jobs, eg. fetch and process news and create a personalized filtered feed.
Also I think they due with a Pi 400 successor, I won't be surprised if a Pi5 based revamp shows up before the Christmas period.
I've heard some people working on cramming in a smaller model on the Hailo 8 or 8L, would be cool for Home Assistant!
@@Level2Jeff let's see how it goes. Sadly most of these models smaller than 7B are pretty much braindead, or at least not really good with instruct following, and produce a ton of hallucinations. Orange Pi 5 has some NPU acceleration for LLMs through rknn-llm, but sadly that's not integrated into ollama, so it's very limited in terms of use.
lol you posted that, and today I tested a few of the 1B/3B models and one said I was a bodybuilder born in the 60s!
@@JeffGeerling I think 1B/3B model size is only good if the model is finetuned with a specific usecase in mind, and not as a generic LLM. eg. JetBrains has a very small LLM trained inside IDEA which offers line level code completion and it sometimes surprises me.
The bumper could be pretty handy... if you've ever shorted out the bottom of your pi setting it down on a screw or a male breadboard jumper that was on the bench... save the magic smoke from being set free.
Yep! Like I said, my favorite Pi product... I just ordered 5 more, planning on slapping them on all the Pis I have sitting around.
Wonder how long before there's a 3D-Printed STL available for TPU.
Open using nylon standoffs… Nonconductive and they fit in the corner of most PCBs…
@@garylgoldberg Well, you've been able to use the bottom half of any of dozens of printable cases for years..
Crazy how affordable this is considering you get built in people/object detection on a camera feed. I foresee this causing a positive chain reaction in the robotics industry.
I bought loads of chopping boards that were on offer at the supermarket. I fasten my RPis to them, together with pluggable breadboard, and use the handle to hang my projects on display hooks on the walls above my workbench. If I need to take them down to do hardware mods there is sufficient weight that the assembly does not skitter around.
Thanks!
Peripherals generally have a higher profit margin plus there will also be those that will purchase first party over third party due to compatibility and/or quality.
This is how it works for the likes of the console manufacturers.
Tune in expecting a blurb about the Pi SSD aka Commercial & get so much more! Kudos Sir, you're one of the Great Ones!
Gretzky is the Great One. I tried hockey for a couple months and fell flat on my face the first time I tried a hockey stop on my left side!
Great Video! Excited to see the upgrades to your Frigate setup with the new AI boards!
I love their MagPi. Essentially, it's a trained homebound Corvidae that has revolutionary lightweight leapfrog-class neodymium magnets strapped to its back. You basically install a number of custom made copper coils, strategically placed along the walls of your room. As the MagPi flaps around, it powers your Raspberry Pi for at least a day.
Edit: I'm also a big fan of popping on a sock when I'm tinkering with it. Kudus to Jeff for sharing this 💚
What... did I just read???
@@Level2Jeff Haha! Some of us are crazy lovers of your channel and have a sense of weird humour :DD
Honoured to have a reply!
@@darkstatehk your imaginary pi product is missing the real x8 -/dual x4- pciE 3 slot -just like the real products.- 🤐
Hopefully PeTA, or the ASPCA doesn't hear about this!
Many people, like myself, would buy a Rasp Pi primarily because it is standardized equipment where you can substitute one Pi for another without ever having hardware compatibility problems. Sure, there are a whole number of SSDs that are compatible with the Rasp Pi, but not all of them are compatible. SSDs are not as universally compatible as some people think. Further there are many people like myself that are quite willing to pay the "tax" to know that these parts are all tested and validated by the Rasp Pi foundation.
Might explain why I wasn't able to boot through one.
I believe the pi SSD is just an opportunity to a) make more money which I don't see the problem since we know and trust this brand b) ensure the best comparability so if you are a beginner just buy what works best?
It is an incentive not to ensure compatibility with _all_ drives, when there really shouldn't be an excuse if there were problem with specific brands. A problem is a bug to be fixed, not a reason to only buy more stuff directly from them.
Looking at local Amazon pricing, they're undercutting other brands
So no Pi-premium
@@Max24871 We still fix bugs with other drives, it's a constant process because some of these drives are a bit crap and need all sorts of quirks defined.
R PI, please make a “Pi 5 +” or something with no SD card slot and instead a full M.2 slot for an NVME drive.
With you there-though I'd love to have both :D
what i like of your comment is that you are writing that comment to pi directly, and they will read it!
also would be nice more usb2 headers and led and buttons header for power and similar stuff
@@arch1107 call it wishful thinking. :) Considering Jeff has interviewed the CEO a few times and makes lots of content around PIs, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that someone at the company sees the interest in the idea.
@@Level2Jeff alright Jeff, hear me out… TWO M.2 slots instead of one of each. :)
@@LongerThanAverageUsername no, it can happen, they do watch the big channels covering pi related content, it can happen, but for the size, i expect just one m2.2230, i doubt it can fit 2
The bumper is really neat. If I had the same issue I'd just 3D print something, but that's because I'm time-rich and money-poor - in the end, nothing printable beats rubber or silicone for being both soft and grippy.
9:18 that's just a lazy bs excuse, shame on Raspi foundation/corporation. Bro what do you mean you can't publish full specs because they might change in the future? It's a website, not a stone tablet. Just put a revision number on the darn thing and list different specs for each SSD revision number.
This is 100% dishonest bs
Dude, he LITERALLY says why: if the specs drop by 2% because of a chip change, you get outrage & they don't want that.
how many people look at a revision number ?
@@var67 Dude I literally called that "lazy bs excuse". Oh no some autistic people on the internet might be angry about a 2% performance change in a device where performance was poor to begin with and mostly irrelevant!!! We must protect ourselves from the onslaught!!!!
@@jyvben1520 how many people look at the drive specs at all? Why have a page called "drive specs" and say nothing on it
@@var67 yeah and I called that "lazy bs excuse".
4:35 - Hardware engineer's tip: use M2.5 standoffs in the normal mounting holes as feet. Doesn't fix the sliding issue but it at least keeps the PCB from sitting bare on the desk
We need rubberized screws though, to hold it in place! :)
I'm mildly annoyed that they didn't bother to add capacitors to have power loss protection for the SSD
Can't even power a USB device from a Pi's ports; Pis have a lot of little annoyances.
@@prophetzarquon Huh? Of course you can power stuff from the Pi ports, as long as it doesn't exceed the total capacity of the power supply.
@@jamesh9756 and the power capacity is super small, so that's what he possibly meant. Cuz, RGB Keyboards etc, devices with higher power consumption, would have hard time running off a Pi.
Hopefully this means they progressed enough on PCB layout to make a proper slot available instead of flex connectors on an upcoming revision.
I appreciate the honesty at the end on why not do a full review on each item. That's fair. If you do pick one to review, I'd love to see the NVMe drives taken out for a spin. I use Raspberry Pi 5 with a 128GB SD Card as a backup web server should my main server go down. It works, very, very well for that reason. Being able to put a 512GB NVMe drive out there in the data center would be helpful. But as I usually put these in the FLIRC case, so there is no moving parts on these remote installed raspberry pis, there has to be a good pref tradeoff to be made there.
That bumper is great, I'm a gonna print one. Perfect for working on the pi as you say. Full cases are end use only and even then, if the pi is embedded, not needed.
9:48. imo the best way would be to have a minimum spec then specifically have a table that shows the revision and the nand used.
I can see people grabbing these not for use with the Pi, but for small form factor PC builds in general (that doesn't need peak performance)
for steam deck. it has the size, there are other brands offering it, but mostl or is too expensive or the quality is uncertain
@@arch1107 This comes in 256GB now and 512GB at some unknown time in the future. I'd imagine most people looking to upgrade a steam deck will be looking for higher capacity than that.
@@petermichaelgreen true, but the steam deck was just a example, people with such type of device and need of more storage will like this product
if you visit amazon, corsair is selling 2 tb units m.2 2230 nvme, not cheap and it seems they will offer 4tb units soon
the size is not a real limit, the cost is, all depends on what and how expensive they offer
@@arch1107 The Samsung drive that's currently being provided for the 256GB model is actually a model that Steam put in the Steam Deck :D
When I first started working with RPi’s I just used small plastic stand-offs until everything was working then I would put it in a case. Much better than the sticky rubber feet idea, but I have a couple of 3D printers now and I printed something similar to the RPi bumper.
Don't worry Jeff, you're not the Pi Guy. You're *the* ARM Guy
My friend and I always look for your videos first if there's a specific piece of info we need on ARM chips
It's impressive to see Raspberry Pi expanding into storage solutions and AI hardware. The new SSDs and AI HATs will undoubtedly enhance project capabilities. Excited to see how the community utilizes these innovations!
Jeff, Thanks for your honesty - concerning your personal time to review EVERYTHING - I do however, like YOUR style and review processes - Please continue as much as you feel you can -
I really enjoy your videos related to the Pi because you are so thorough but thanks for the other recommended channels
Channels inner Doug Demuro: THIIIIIIIIIS is a raspberry pi accessory and today I am going to take you over its quirks and features.
REVUP YOUR ENGIIINES
NOW THIS HERE IS A RASPBERRY PI AI CAMERA FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO WANT THEIR PIHOLE TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFEREMCE BETWEEN FEDEX AND UPS DRIVERS. NOW ITS NOT FOR ME BUT IT TAKES ALL KINDS..
I like the bumpers. I need to grab a couple. I usually just use some plastic standoffs. They also help to stop the boards from shorting out on anything metal on the desk.
Btw., that ai hat from Hailo is useless if you want to do anything besides run their precompiled models with the rpi-cam apps. Their documentation is very lackluster and the compiler is a pain to get started with and if you do get it working, there is no easy way to use your custom model. Lastly I was unable to find any information on their supposed python library...
I am not sure why companies are allergic to making new skus when older products are no longer being made. If they cannot get the parts to create the nvme that they are making today then make a different sku. Not everyone has to follow in the footsteps of the other manufactures.
Jeff, I had no idea you had a second channel. Subscribed👍👍
I agree, the bumper is a useful product worth purchasing. I have (so far) had good luck with the Amazon basics SD cards. An NVME is far more suited to operating system use, and would be my preference.
Everyone: But Jeff, you are the Pi guy.
Jeff: Please God make it stop!
:D
I’m not too familiar with drive performance but this seems decent at that price point and form factor? Might grab one, I’ve got a full size nvme on a bottom board hat currently that I could use elsewhere.
Yeah, it's better than I expected. Usually OEMs will use cheaper chips, but these are older (PCIe Gen 3, since that's what the Pi's bus uses) but decent.
For extreme outdoor applications ( -40 degrees ) I’ve only found 2 manufacturer that make microSD for that operating temp. Interestingly they both called them “Industrial”
Maybe Raspberry Pi could get their brand on that category
Yeah, those cards typically cost a bit more but I've bought five or so and throw them in Pis where I know it could get a bit cold out. None have failed me so far! A couple from Kingston, and one I think from Sony? Might've been a SanDisk.
Yes. I think it was those two.
Many others do -25
Wow, -40 C!!!! I wish it still got cold here but last winter in Toronto we never saw a temperature below -15 C. People from warm climates *say* they like the warmer winters of the last decade or so, but they don't like the low water levels, sudden spring flooding, ground-nesting wasps, mosquito-vectored diseases like West Nile virus, tick-borne diseases like Lyme, or slushy, muddy ground anywhere you would otherwise go for a nice walk. We only slowly come to realize these problems exist because it doesn't get cold enough at midwinter. :((
Prolonged outdoor temps above 80°C, have been more of a problem, for me.
@@prophetzarquon then check out those industrial microSD. Think they are operational upto 125
Bundled with a Argon One this would be a neat combo.
Speaking of which, I find it sad that Argon cases are really the only ones that try to route every IO to the back, so people can actually use the Pi like a desktop machine or have an easier time setting it up in a rack for say a Retro Game device or small server.
Seriously, a board with cables coming off every side, doesn't feel so compact, when trying to clean up an install!
2230 SSDs are getting more and more traction. The German price comparison engine Geizhals lists more 2230 drives than 2242 these days - almost twice as many, actually.
Everything is getting smaller
the flash chips are getting more and more storage space, we are at a point where a single chip can hold 512gb, while user demand for big SSDs has not appeared yet
And NVMe support is showing up in more and more devices.
2242 seems to fall uncomfortablly between stools, the really small stuff has gone for 2230 and the normal sized laptops have gone with 2280.
@@marcogenovesi8570 There is plenty of demand, But not at these prices, low warranties and high random fatal-failure rates compared to HDDs. Although, HDDs also suck now due to monopolization of production.
Thanks Jeff for all that you do.
That is pretty common in the OEM storage market where they only list the generic specs. Vendors rarely support their products for 10 years, so almost no way they are going to say that they are going to say they will work for 10 years. Lifetime for most SSD products is usually between about 5-7 years.
Quick internet search says that they are being made by Longsys which is also known as Lexar in the US. Companies don't just start making NAND, they have someone else put their label on it, and given that says "made in China" limits it to one of 2 different brands if I am not mistaken.
bigger profits, probably for the pi6 which will include a nvme slot
1:52 I checked Kevin’s video and he covered it very well. Another usecase for the camera is getting vision capabilities without compromising the only PCIe slot we have like we do for Hailo. (Or tripling vision options with 2 AI Cameras + Hailo chip)
True! Someone also suggested a custom doorbell based on a Pi Zero, could be extremely compact and still have basic AI capabilities.
@@Level2Jeff I have a zero lying around and 2 AI cameras preordered. I might try something, but setup needs to be discreet, or my wife would never approve
When you said _"A TV hat for receiving TV signals",_ I was only half listening and pictured a _"propellor beanie"_ with a TV antenna and mast in the center. (Or maybe the _"rabbit ears"_ antenna I was familiar with growing up.)
Sony does interesting things with cameras. I have an Xperia XZ Premium with a 4K display and a 19 MP camera. While 19 MP may not sound impressive on its own it also has a camera mode that can at times take additional photos behind the scene that you can choose from later and it is not some weird image format that no one knows how to use either. It can also do short 960 FPS slow motion clips at 720p. They have a memory buffer built into the image sensor on the back side of it and that is how they get such high speed but in such short bursts but also how that predictive image capture that works silently in the background works. That basically causes it to take a couple more photos you can choose from later if it thought for even a second you may like a different exposure or other setting. This is a device that was announced in 2017 so considering that and other models of Sony phones they were ahead of their time. I had a Z1s I got used and it was also a really nice device. It had a 20.7 MP camera that while didn't do slow motion it did impress me with the quality of the camera. These devices also look good and are water resistant. They are slim and have no camera bumps. Back when these were first released they were premium smart phones and even today they still look good. If you have a device other than Sony there is still a good chance it has one of their image sensors in it so if you think you are free from Sony think again, they are everywhere! I am not trying to say that Sony is the only one making devices so advanced but they may be among the first manufacturers to do it and actually sell it and not just tease us with a product we would never see (I hate that!).
3:58 it’s always the simple things in life that are satisfying.
Absolutely wild that you got the GPU working on the Pi 5
PF could just publish full specs with a model revisions number. When a new one is released, increment the model revision and specs to match. Isn't that what everyone else is doing?
Seems like someone with more skills than I, could publish a printable design for that bumper. Even if you had to stick feet on it it would be better than sticking them on the PCB, and printed with TPU might be non-slip enough.
This is expanding so rapidly now. Everything is on a curve that is moving sharply upward.
I've noticed with the 2230 nvme drives that heat becomes an issue very quickly. i've had to peel the label and stick on some small heatsinks on a couple of mine.
Trustfully you are fully well now. Last time I remember you were not well. Though it's been long.
"We might have to change it later so we don't want to give exact numbers" is *not a valid excuse.* What they're actually saying is "we don't want to have to tell you when we start selling you crap instead, so you hopefully won't notice and will keep buying it anyway". It's a sleazy and cynical way to treat your customers, and should not just be glossed over.
The *correct* way to deal with that problem is to _publish the full specs_ and if you need to change it later *clearly indicate when the product changes* (and publish updated info). If the specs aren't the same as they used to be, you should *give it a new model number* so that people know *it's not actually the same device* as what they bought 6 months ago, and may not perform exactly the same.
Yes. Or even forcing the suppliers to a minimum of technical specifications if they want to do business with Pi.
I have a Pi 4 and I have been wanting to get something like the bumper for ever. I have a fan hat and I use the GPIO pins for some stuff and since I leave it on 24/7 I want something that at least makes it harder to just slide down and protects the bottom. I got the official case and tried to only use the bottom part, but it didn't work for me (I don't remember why)
They make all these accessories for the Pi5 so that next year, with the Pi6, you'll have to buy everything all over again because they'll slightly change the board layout....again
Pi wants to be Apple Junior now. How far they have fallen from the original intent.
I don't own a raspberry pi but I do own a 3D printer and I am constantly impressed with the properties of TPU.
I'm still not good at modeling though and it doesn't help that I don't own a raspberry pi, yet lol.
Maybe I should have checked before writing this, maybe someone has already designed a 3D printable version of the silicone bumper..
If they haven't though and someone that knows how to do it reads this, I can't imagine it being difficult to print and I'm sure they're reasonably priced but a 3D printed version would be even cheaper. They would also be nice just to be able to print one if you need one.
Even if someone designs one and doesn't want to give it away for free, a one-time fee of a few dollars would surely be worth it if you needed more than one of the bumpers.
The create versions for the Pi itself, why not for storage? Change the hardware, change the version? Seems like an easy problem to solve.
I hope the SD cards have a lot of spare cells for wear leveling. This is why I buy "high endurance" or "industrial" SDs, although obviously, if there is a need for high I/O, it should be stored somewhere like an iSCSI LUN mounted, NFS filesystem, or a local SSD.
0:46 what with that stuttering in the video? you are not the only channel who did this. There are nearly every new video on UA-cam that doing those stuttering/glitches.
Yeah... for me, unfortunately it's a glitch in my OBS setup. I've been hacking away at different formats/encoders for months, and the settings I have now are the most reliable. However, it glitches the audio every 10-20 minutes of recording.
When I'm at my other recording areas, I go straight into a Blackmagic monitor that records direct from the analog audio... so there's no glitching there. Might have to bite the bullet and get a different recording setup at my editing desk too someday.
@@Level2Jeff- We don’t care about a few glitches; your money and time are best spent elsewhere and elsewhen.
@@Level2Jeff I was curious about it. I have seen this behavior on many other channels. It makes sense if obs has a problem. Many UA-camrs use obs and if it is a bug of a certain version that is actual around, then it makes a lot of sense why so many channels have those glitches. ^^
Many years of working with video software & hardware, taught me the value of high quality hardware: a KiPro is your best friend, for realtime recording with zero hiccups.
My cynical brain - because it's easy to approve a single vendor and make a purchase order to a single company when you are a business/education consumer. That means they're going to be able to pick up sales of accessories with a high markup in those markets.
Do you have livestream footage of you ironing out the driver bugs ? It would be very interesting to see the process and the trial and error attempts
If you could use the NPU for ollama that would be amazing
Agreed I have five bumpers now :) the 64GB is quick, its my fastest SD card beats out my Kingston Canvas React. Ordered the SSD to test
3:15 this alone made this vid worth for me. (Not to mention the explanation about the 26 TOPS chip)
Was looking for a way to jam NVMe with Hailo-8L, and next step is to understand if I can switch models faster on the chip.
I want to use 5 different models on the same device, whether by the same Hailo chip or different addons like the AI Camera x2 and Coral on USB3.
I would love the tutorial on how to move your OS to the SSD the easiest way
Check out rpi-clone.jeffgeerling.com - that's what I use!
same, i has make SD card copy to my external usb SSD but not working well, freeze OS or errors lot if copy my SD card to SSD. i need NOT use newer SD card, many card has go fast broken and freeze all OS, or not boot. need be SSD boot and use, same lot have memory problem need clean small shit SD card lot files off can looking netflix or yotube. and not working well my raspi4 table computer biggest than 32gb SD card. need be SSD 1TB can working good.
If only we had the "Raspberry Pi bumper" for all the (R.I.P.) Raspberry Pi 3's and 4's that were victims while working on our smart lab for medical research at work 🙄 It seems like one of those simple and effective products that makes us slap our forehead while saying "why didn't anyone think of this before?". Is this specific to the Pi 5 or can it be used with older Pis (3b+, 4b+, etc.)?
Also, wondering if the M.2 Hailo hat would work with non-RPi hardware / processors - specifically low power x86 based systems? (*hint* wouldn't mind a video on that *hint* 😀).
Great video as always - always full of useful information!
I just ordered a 64GB Pi branded microSD from Digi-Key for $6.49. Yeah, shipping is flat at $7 but I had other parts in my order so to me this was dirt cheap from a reliable source!
Does anyone have a link to buying a Raspberry "Pi bumper" for any model of the Pi ? Thank you very much!
Because there are fans/supporters that would actually buy them to support the project.
And there exist people who just like to collect stuffs.
I think the SSD is related to fitting it nicely in a pi 500 case.
Another excellent video by @Level2Jeff! I really enjoy these videos. Just a question for Jeff - do you program in Python for your Pi work? Did you do programming before getting into Pi? I'm really thinking of learning Python and picking up a Pi. I haven't programmed since high school and I think it would be good to get back into programming. I have a lot of software ideas, so I guess it's just a matter of making time.
I do mostly Python these days, though not nearly as much as I used to. I started out in PHP, and moved on to Java and Python for various projects.
The bulk of my development career was managing Drupal, Wordpress, Magento, and other PHP-based CMS installations. I worked on frontend/theming, backend development, and then eventually moved on to infrastructure, where I spent a lot of time with Ansible and Kubernetes (that, incidentally, led me to spending a lot of time tinkering with Pis, since it was a cheap way to replicate infrastructure in bare metal, locally).
I think the AI camera is really interesting for low power applications, particularly if you can stream to the pi only the interesting frames determined by ai. Transmission of frames from camera to pi costs power and most frames are not interesting in many/most use cases
Hey Jeff, Had an interesting idea, thought of 3d Printing a "push pin" of sorts, basically a little T that you can stick the bumper onto that would press fit into those mounting holes in the pi ? ( @5:00 ) You could probably print off a dozen or so, stick the bumpers to them and they'd be a lot easier to reuse (instead of wearing out the sticky) You could even add a small shoulder to keep the pins propped up a little higher and aid airflow
I do really hope that those NPUs become more common and powerful. I want a low power addin card for my homeserver for LLM and TTS so i can integrate it into my smart home and replace Alexa.
The bigger question is, why is their SSD 20-30% more expensive than SSDs with the same capacity and less cut down?
so how do i get them to send me a "care package"?
I hate to state the obvious, but tgat AI camera NEEDS a video. Think of pairing it to a Zero and build a Ring Doorbell on steroids. Just saying. No longer does your doorbell just ping when someone is at the door, it knows who it should be, what behaviour to warn you about ("Suspicious activity at door. What would you like done?"), see and maybe read packages, and more. Thank you for the update. I guess you can figure out my next project.
Good luck! For now I'm stuck on some other projects, but that would be a fun one.
I love 2230 NVMes. I look forward to being disappointed next week by Apple NOT using them in a new Mac Mini.
Ugh, easy wins for Apple yet they keep not doing that!
@@Level2Jeff I mean, I get it. that would add several steps to manufacturing, but stilll.
For a couple of videos now I noticed that your renders have inconsistent framerate and audio usually goes in and out of sync. Why's that?
OBS... trying to get it to not do that, heh
Raspberry Pi 500 with built in slot for the NVMe? Would make a killer keyboard console
Have you covered that Heat-sink you mentioned, and what A2 is all about? I just happen to buy a Sandisk Extreme 64Meg A2 without knowing about that.
Can we just talk about how insane it is that you can get that much storage with such a small footprint for so cheap?
#Level 2 Jeff : speaking of microSD cards, Jeff do you happen to know why Raspberry Pi's stop working properly after several months of continuous use with extreme endurance microSD cards ?
(when they stop working even powering them off and on again doesn't bring them back to a functional state, you actually have to take out the microSD card and reformat/install the OS and everything else in order to make it work properly again)
Any ideas why this happens ? (it already happened to me on several models, from Pi 2B's to Pi 4B's)
Have you ever had this happen to one or more of your RPi's ?
Which exact pi models? Which OSes? What applications are you running continuously? Which high-endurance cards are you running? What volume of data is written to the card over your months of use? When you take the dead card out and look at it on a different computer, what kind of failure mode does it appear to have? If this were happening to everyone, you'd be seeing that industrial customers would stop buying pis (around the end of 2016), so I suspect that something your application is doing is slowly corrupting the file systems. Possibly the application does nothing wrong, but is triggering a bug in the Pi's firmware or hardware. Have you tried running similar loads, also on SD cards, on other computers running Rasberry Pi OS (x86 verion), like a NUC or a tiny PC? Presumably that's not what you *want* to do, but it might help eliminate the OS and the storage medium from the problem.
I've never had a (default!) Raspbian install survive more than a few years of updates, on an SD card; but none were ever recoverable after failure, either... So, I think you're experiencing a different issue than I am. (My experience, is that even high-endurance SD cards fail faster than an SSD, & that even the best SSDs are less reliable than a 2TB HDD that's sat on a shelf the last ten years. Modern HDDs being terrible, doesn't make SSDs "reliable"...)
@@TaiViinikka it's a RPi 4B (4GB RAM) running the default Pi OS (64-bit) without the GUI desktop (found on the Raspberry Pi website). It has "syncthing" installed on it and that's about it (this RPi serves a single purpose : synchronizing files between my PC's). I have connected an external USB SSD to store the synced files/folders and also moved the syncthing configuration files to this external disk (in case reliability problems like this like this happen since I have had this issue happen to me before on other RPi's, this way I don't have to configure syncthing again I can just point it to the config files on the external disk).
I haven't tried running similar loads on other computers on SD cards since I don't have a NUC or Tiny PC that I can use for that specific purpose.
suggestion: try out BigThreeTech Pi2? i't has Rockchip RK3566, 2GB RAM, 32GB eMMC, M.2 for another SSD (PCIe 2.1), 5G wifi, gigabit ethernet and can be powered over USB or 12-24V (screw terminal) but has only one USB 3.0
Oh I have a used case for the AI Cam...one is going in my CubeSat!
Lots of faces to recognize, up there with it?
@@prophetzarquon ha. I build educational cubesats that will never fly. That being said, having any AI processing capabilities in such a small form factor is a pretty cool demonstration, although not practical in SpAce as is.
I use 2x4 scraps and standoffs as “bumpers”
So, the Pi6 on-board max NVMe SSD size will be the 2230 😥
Nice! I'm looking for a minimal power Openhab + Frigate (5x4MP cameras) - would be interesting to see what's possible here.
I appreciate the compatibility value; but give that almost all of the SSDs and cards work in almost every PC, isn't the interoperability problem the Raspberry Pi itself? This feels like their power supply: they've set their requirements so finely that you end up needing to buy their version of a what should be a commodity part, for it to work perfectly?
In the case of the Pi, it's usually a problem where some NVMe commands don't seem to work on arm64, or with the Broadcom PCIe implementation specifically, and a lot of times it's from quirks in the way the address space is assigned on the Pi.
Some of these bugs are being ironed out over time, though-a lot more cards work today than just a year ago, all through software tweaks.
@@Level2Jeff Yeah, computer platforms are hard. I do expect this will generally improve over time.
Has anything been done for bird watching/listening with the idea of identifying the species visually or by song?
Merlin does just that.
I do think that CM5 is going to come out soon and they are just tapping to the potential profit they can get from selling their own ssd. I think the lack of detail spec on their ssd is reflection of that thinking. I could be wrong though.
Mouser has listings for the CM5 Case (search SC1753), heatsink (SC1752), and IO board (SC1751), but not the CM5. The case and heatsink are expected on 2024-11-20. No date listed for the IO Board, but the photo does show an m.2 slot.
Interesting, seems like Mouser might be posting listings a bit early...