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Nice video! vs most sizes: unblocking the fold range is more important than blocking the call range, however vs overbet jams: blocking the call range becomes more important than unblocking the fold range. The beauty of QQ is that it both blocks calls and unblocks folds (AJ, AT,...)
I think this is very very dependent on the initial stack size and polarization by the river. In many pots blocking the calling range is much more important, at least from my study of this subject.
@@AlvinTeachesPoker vs smaller sizes we fold less and call more, since the folding portion is way smaller than calling portion, so unblocking folds is more important. Vs overbet jams, we fold a lot and call less so the call portion is way smaller than folding portion so blocking calls becomes more important. This can be verified by looking at bluff combos on the river with different bet sizes.
I agree with all said by Norman.Also,sometimes,by the time we reach the river, SPR may not allow us to shove profitably,even when having some blockers to his small calling range.
Your reasoning for small bet on the flop is that it forces OOP to fold more? That’s not the reason for the small bet. The reason is OOP’s defending range is polarized and you don’t bet large into a polarized range. A quick way to check is that ratio of raise vs calls. Whenever this ratio is high, it’s a clear sign that the range is very polarized. Just looking at the range itself will not always tell you this info. If IP were to bet bigger, OOP will have no incentive to defend his Kx region. So, you lose value, make the continue range even more nutted. Let’s think about this in practice: If you assume that OOP will be defending wider, then a slightly bigger bet will get more EV. It’s always your value hands that drive EV, if they are getting called wider then a slightly bigger bet will work better. Also, if you assume people are calling wider then bluffing QQ 3 streets is a terrible idea! Look at the folding range. Do you really expect the pool to fold ATs/AJs here? There Is just so much misconceptions of fundamentals and people still get sucked into paying to receive such misinformation.
I might have misunderstood something. If your opponent has AQ, doesn't the solver say they're calling the jam? And they're folding AJ? So by that analysis, wouldn't you want to be jamming queens *less* against more passive players, because they have more AQ in their range? Wouldn't you want to be jamming everything less against the more passive player, who has a stronger range than they should on the river? Also, I don't understand why AQ is such a better calling hand than AJ? To me they seem like almost the exact same hand. Much of the analysis is based on the fact that AQ calls while AJ folds, but I'd really like to understand why. If I were going to fold, say, 50% of my AJ and AQ, I don't see why I should fold AQ close to 0% and AJ close to 100% instead of just folding half my AJ and half my AQ. Doing the 100/0 seems exploitable by the exact strategy you're talking about where you jam 100% with QQ instead of JJ, because your opponent is only calling with hands that QQ blocks.
I think if you stopped and thought ten minutes longer, you'd have it. Ignore everything else. If they call with X and Y hand, you want to block x and y hand. If they call with only x OR y, you want to jam hands that block x or y. Aj is worse to call with because conceptually hero's bluffs will be jx heavier than qx. Plus absolute hand strength. Easy as pie.
@@AlvinTeachesPoker Thanks a lot for taking the time to respond. Yeah, the blockers idea I totally get. It's the last paragraph that I don't get. It seems like hero's bluffs should be roughly balanced with respect to queens and jacks, since they're almost the same card, and the other person's calls should be roughly balanced around AJ and AQ (slight tilt to AQ because of hand strength). If one of them swings all the way in one direction (for example, always calling AQ and folding AJ), then that's exploitable by always firing QQ and not JJ. It seems like you could defend your calling range better by calling with AQ only slightly more than AJ, so that hero can't bluff into you knowing that he's blocked half of your primary calling hands (QQ into AQ calls, for example). However, if you treat Q and J as roughly the same card, your opponent can't do things like always fire QQ rather than JJ, and likewise can't do things like always call AQ and fold AJ. Is the small hand strength difference actually bigger than the blockers exploitability? Because blockers are definitely a small effect, so maybe it doesn't matter if your opponent can always run bluffs with QQ to block your calling range, calling with AQ is still better than AJ because of hand strength? Seems unlikely, but idk. What am I missing?
I play limits where people dont fold A2-A4 until the river. they call 3 streets for 100+bb. So makes no sense to 3 barell QQ never. A10? AJ? No one fakin folds those hands here bruh. Even A9 sometimes calls.
Actually, around blinds, where opponents don't have KK+,AK, you could just 3-barrel-shove anytwo (at that flop)...no one calls river nearly enough to bluff-catch you.
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Nice video! vs most sizes: unblocking the fold range is more important than blocking the call range, however vs overbet jams: blocking the call range becomes more important than unblocking the fold range. The beauty of QQ is that it both blocks calls and unblocks folds (AJ, AT,...)
I think this is very very dependent on the initial stack size and polarization by the river. In many pots blocking the calling range is much more important, at least from my study of this subject.
@@AlvinTeachesPoker vs smaller sizes we fold less and call more, since the folding portion is way smaller than calling portion, so unblocking folds is more important. Vs overbet jams, we fold a lot and call less so the call portion is way smaller than folding portion so blocking calls becomes more important. This can be verified by looking at bluff combos on the river with different bet sizes.
I agree with all said by Norman.Also,sometimes,by the time we reach the river, SPR may not allow us to shove profitably,even when having some blockers to his small calling range.
Your reasoning for small bet on the flop is that it forces OOP to fold more? That’s not the reason for the small bet.
The reason is OOP’s defending range is polarized and you don’t bet large into a polarized range. A quick way to check is that ratio of raise vs calls. Whenever this ratio is high, it’s a clear sign that the range is very polarized. Just looking at the range itself will not always tell you this info.
If IP were to bet bigger, OOP will have no incentive to defend his Kx region. So, you lose value, make the continue range even more nutted.
Let’s think about this in practice:
If you assume that OOP will be defending wider, then a slightly bigger bet will get more EV. It’s always your value hands that drive EV, if they are getting called wider then a slightly bigger bet will work better.
Also, if you assume people are calling wider then bluffing QQ 3 streets is a terrible idea! Look at the folding range. Do you really expect the pool to fold ATs/AJs here?
There Is just so much misconceptions of fundamentals and people still get sucked into paying to receive such misinformation.
Technically aren’t u gaining value if u fold out opponent’s Kx?
Nice video Alvin! Loved the detail you put into the explanation
Can you put the inputs in the description so we can mess around with the solves?
why dont you put your perceived preflop ranges and flop XR AQ into the node locking function and see the output? I think that would be more helpful.
Literally not the point of the video.
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great video alvin!
Thanks Alex! We need to plan meetups for our groups soon!
I might have misunderstood something. If your opponent has AQ, doesn't the solver say they're calling the jam? And they're folding AJ? So by that analysis, wouldn't you want to be jamming queens *less* against more passive players, because they have more AQ in their range? Wouldn't you want to be jamming everything less against the more passive player, who has a stronger range than they should on the river?
Also, I don't understand why AQ is such a better calling hand than AJ? To me they seem like almost the exact same hand. Much of the analysis is based on the fact that AQ calls while AJ folds, but I'd really like to understand why. If I were going to fold, say, 50% of my AJ and AQ, I don't see why I should fold AQ close to 0% and AJ close to 100% instead of just folding half my AJ and half my AQ. Doing the 100/0 seems exploitable by the exact strategy you're talking about where you jam 100% with QQ instead of JJ, because your opponent is only calling with hands that QQ blocks.
I think if you stopped and thought ten minutes longer, you'd have it.
Ignore everything else. If they call with X and Y hand, you want to block x and y hand. If they call with only x OR y, you want to jam hands that block x or y.
Aj is worse to call with because conceptually hero's bluffs will be jx heavier than qx. Plus absolute hand strength. Easy as pie.
@@AlvinTeachesPoker Thanks a lot for taking the time to respond.
Yeah, the blockers idea I totally get. It's the last paragraph that I don't get. It seems like hero's bluffs should be roughly balanced with respect to queens and jacks, since they're almost the same card, and the other person's calls should be roughly balanced around AJ and AQ (slight tilt to AQ because of hand strength).
If one of them swings all the way in one direction (for example, always calling AQ and folding AJ), then that's exploitable by always firing QQ and not JJ. It seems like you could defend your calling range better by calling with AQ only slightly more than AJ, so that hero can't bluff into you knowing that he's blocked half of your primary calling hands (QQ into AQ calls, for example).
However, if you treat Q and J as roughly the same card, your opponent can't do things like always fire QQ rather than JJ, and likewise can't do things like always call AQ and fold AJ.
Is the small hand strength difference actually bigger than the blockers exploitability? Because blockers are definitely a small effect, so maybe it doesn't matter if your opponent can always run bluffs with QQ to block your calling range, calling with AQ is still better than AJ because of hand strength? Seems unlikely, but idk.
What am I missing?
I play limits where people dont fold A2-A4 until the river. they call 3 streets for 100+bb.
So makes no sense to 3 barell QQ never. A10? AJ? No one fakin folds those hands here bruh.
Even A9 sometimes calls.
Also vs small flop cbets people check raise almost any Ax
That's the great thing about this video, is that it shows the conditions to make it work and how to figure out what bluffs are good for you.
whats your discord channel?
I love the content. Do you play online? What limit? GL!
I play the highest limits available on apps and public games and live, moving to Vegas for wsop to find more action.
@@AlvinTeachesPoker Nice. You never stream your sessions?
Only for students.
dude you should stream on twitch from time to time its fun and entertaining and good for business.
Mmm just going to win the main and you can all watch
This is how you get 2 streets of value with blockers $$$$$$$$ awesome video!
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Makes sense
Actually, around blinds, where opponents don't have KK+,AK, you could just 3-barrel-shove anytwo (at that flop)...no one calls river nearly enough to bluff-catch you.
No. This is not good.
I would like to be sacrificed to the algorithm for the good of the people
You're already dead. O-o
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Ultra fish confirmed see you Friday
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High effort trolling. A plus.
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