5 GTO 3-BET Ranges All Live Players Should Memorize
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
- What exactly do GTO 3-betting ranges look like in live cash games? Is AQ always a 3-bet? What about QQ? In this video, we look at the new Live GTO #poker solve and explore 5 key 3-betting ranges that you NEED to understand. This includes in-position 3-bets, OOP 3-bets, and even some preflop squeeze situations. Enjoy!
0:00 Good Morning
0:27 New Live GTO 3-Betting Ranges
1:09 HJ 3-Bet vs UTG Open
6:09 BTN 3-Bet vs HJ Open
9:07 BB 3-Bet vs CO Open
12:04 The Unique GTO Preflop Gametree
13:27 BTN Squeeze vs LJ And CO
15:19 SB Squeeze vs LJ And BTN
17:35 Going Deeper
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Thanks a lot for this James! ❤
Very helpful. Main Event 1st timer advice would be helpful
The second time around I understand it thx great video and thumbs up
Cheers Devion!
I always 3 bet 1 gap 2 gap and suited hands with a bet fold I never thought about medium pocket pairs great video
Thanks Michael!
"There are three types of people in the world, those that see, those that see when shown and those that see nothing" - Da Vinci
Thank you for showing what you know so I can see :)
You're very welcome =)
Do look to get involved at the tables with those who have said: "Yes, I very much want to (and will) emulate a poker strategy produced in conjunction with a perfectly played game that I will never, ever experience. It just has to be of practical use." I think those who are so enamored are mostly willing to do it because it offers a place to direct blame when failure comes. There are zero perfect human poker players. As such, not even one heads-up match can ever be arranged (let alone played perfectly). The particulars from this alien idealized game are fine to look at and have fun with. And remember those games are restricted based on a set number of parameters and starting conditions. Only the very high-level, generic insights are worth taking seriously. And the pragmatics of all of those are already well-established in human poker. An attempt to move down into the minutiae of that game and then walk it forward to see it's mettle in human play must answer to how and why? There's no foundation and no coupler that ties the two desperate games together. Why would you believe a 30/25/45 raise/call/fold strategy for that holding ought to be efficacious in that spot in your human hand? And how do you track that? Are you ever going to have 50 or more instances of that exact scenario after a million hands? Fifty is a sample size minimum. Really you need thousands of such hands to find out your stats. In other words, more live hands than you can ever play in a dozen lifetimes. Still, let's say you do end up with 50 instances after 5 years of play. But you ended up with 10/20/70. Now what? I don't feel the fans of GTO are grounded in matters of accountability. And why should they? They sure as hell aren't going to share their entire database of hands. It's a lot easier to just utter "Oh yeah, in that spot I always look to do..." Oh. Really? Always? How many instances is that based on? Using math, it's possible to extrapolate what it would take for that to be true. But bluffing is part of the game. All parts of the game. So tell a good story.
Thus why my book GTO Gems explored the high-level insights from the solver minutia =)
@@ThePokerBank Haven't read your book yet. That it does that...not surprised in the least. You always take time to fully qualify your observations in your GTO videos. You do that because you get it. Much respect. Too many don't. And they even actively try to argue otherwise. This post was intended for them in the hope it might shake them from their fixation. Keep up the good work.
@@jaybingham3711 Cheers Jay! And I really appreciate your kind words =)
wtf it’s just a game
@@anarchyseeds4406 Wtf? For a lot of people... most even...it's but a game. Yet, there is a sizable number (of mostly young adults) who play the game not as a game...but under the impression that they're doing it as a way of making a living. The resources and time they invest are enormous. Most who regularly consume poker content know this. For those not in the know, however, this is an actual thing. And it's not a benign one. It happened about 20 years back when ESPN upped their coverage of the World Series of Poker. Ever since then, kids everywhere have been having a go. Unsurprisingly, too many take up the pursuit wildly ill- and under-informed. Just trying to help a brother out. Hope that clears things up.
"im not explaining the AQ mystery but I do think its important to understand"... Great, thanks?
late comment since i am seeing this video a year later but it is amazing what the fold percentage is for 3 bets. i'm playing way too loose compared to these GTO charts.
So, what's your starting Stack Size in this range scenario?
100bb
@@ThePokerBank While I found this very interesting, that's hardly ever the stack size in the cash games I play in. In my local 2/5 game the max buy in is 200bb, and the max for the 5/10 is 250bb.
I'd be really interested to know if these ranges would look similar, or very different, at something closer to those depths. Deep stack play is the hardest part of poker.
I might assume the ranges would look similar, but given that some of what I saw here surprised me a little, I wonder if there would be surprises based on that change in stack size, as well.
The A5 suited isn't doing well, not a huge database, had it maybe 20x in position, I've gotten called pre to my 3-bet, and bet into on the flop many times, or shoved preflop. Haven't won a single hand 3-betting it in position against UTG or MID.
It just doesn't do really well against UTG or MID. Has been somewhat profitable against HJ or CO.
I added 10-10 to my 3-bet range and it's doing fantastic. It's really easy to play, when they raise with AK.AKo,AQo,AQs,AJs, 99 or lower pps, I'm getting great increases in value when they call me down. And for some reason many players don't suspect it when you flop a set and they flop top/top.
The A5 though is hard to play postflop when you miss, and your opponent bets into you when you have whiffed the flop and only have ace high, you can only hope for scare cards, str8/flush draws that hit on the turn for bluff opportunities.
Well the information in this video is very good, because of the erratic nature of many live players you will have to selectively apply it to your target audience. You can't just go around automatically three betting Ace 5 suited against the entire population, because some are so terribly imbalanced they'll just 4bet and get it in preflop, or they'll flat with kings and queens just to make sure they see a safe flop and then Auto jam into you. It doesn't mean that you can't three bet aggressively like this, just know your opponent
What's the matter with k6s, I keep seeing it along with other clearer bluffs.
The K as blocker is sort of clear, but 6?
Why 6, why not 7 or 5 for example?
I guess because you don't want to include all of them, making your number of bluffs too high, so solvers picks one or two hands, could have been K4s/ K3s and not K6s.
I am OK with the 3 bets, but no way ever am I folding TT, 99, 88, 77 cause of this computer model. Also this kind of 3 betting no doubt is based on players playing in a more GTO style. If there is someone 4 betting wide then I would think that would be the only time to consider folds with TT etc, but in a normal low stakes cash game light 4 bets are rare, and even light 3 bets are pretty rare. Also I find in a lot of live cash games it is hard to 3 bet light cause most PFRs are very low sometimes 5 to 2%, and even if someone has a PFR of 12 percent 20 percent ect, I 3 bet them light and get 5 callers. Games I play in at low stakes 1 2 live, will literally 3 bet to 45 out of 200 dollar 100 bb stack and get 5 callers loo. My question is, how can I three bet light in such a game? I 3 bet light all the time online where people open normal and have much higher PFR and 3 bet ratios than in live games. But I find it hard to see how to 3 bet light in live games where the villains have low PFRs and even if someone has a decent PFR there will be like 4 or 5 callers calling my 3 bet. Can I still 3 bet light here? I know that heads up or 3 way the idea often is to c bet small flop then try to bluff them big on turn and river on some boards, but how can I do this 5 way? I do not like it, but in my local games I find that 3 betting only about 3 percent, which is really tight, and being patient and a bit straightforward works in these games. I assume this is a correct exploit, but I do wonder am I still missing 3 bets that I could be making? Do you have any suggestions for that, please ? I am really confused about this to be honest :-)
It's important, IMO, to note that the goal in live play against nearly any field you are ever likely to go up against, should not be to try and play straight GTO. First of all, it's impossible to achieve, for a human, and secondly, it won't win you the most money anyway; it would only ensure that you are unbeatable and unexploitable. In order to win the most money against opponents who are not as good, and aren't playing anywhere near GTO, you should not be playing GTO either. You should be aware, though, of how both you, and your opponents, are diverging from GTO.
The goal should be to understand, as best you can, what GTO play would look like, so that then you should be to take that as a baseline for perfect play. From there you observe how your opponents deviate from what would be perfect play, and then finally, you will also deviate from perfect play in a manner tailor-made to exploit them, without being exploited by them. This opens you to risk such that observant opponents may do the same back to you, and recalibrate their game now, to exploit your divergence from GTO. By which time, you should be recalibrating as well, against the changes they are making (which hopefully you anticipated and planned for before it happened).
So, for a simple example, this chart might give you a GTO 3b range from a position, against an open from another position. But if you happen to know that player is such a nit that they hardly ever open raise, except with a monster that he also intends to 4b any 3b with, then you might not want to go ahead and make the GTO play, if the GTO play is now a light raise. That wouldn't make any sense in this instance, despite that the solver says it's GTO.
GTO means the best play against someone else who is also making the best play. It's an equilibrium that shows you not how to win the most, but how to ensure you don't lose.The solver pits itself against itself also trying to play GTO. It doesn't take into account the shortcomings and predictability of the real actual humans you're dealing with. I don't believe it is meant to replicate the play of real humans and tell you the best way to make the most money by exploiting their game theory mistakes.
Especially in live play, you should really almost never be trying to play totally GTO. You should be trying to develop exploitative plays, based on your perception and estimation of your opponents' deviations from GTO. And then, if your opponents seem to catch on to what you are doing, and correctly adjust to your play in a way to now exploit *you*, your goal should be to adapt again and stay ahead of them, by changing gears on your play in a way meant to exploit those changes, when they are made. So that you are never GTO, but are always exploiting your opponents' divergence from what GTO would be.
Why a raise w A8 but never with A9? To utilize without understanding... strikes me as enough knowledge to get one in trouble? Don't get me wrong... love you, your show and this info. Thanks SS and keep up the good work. PS. Stack size in my game may not be big enough in many instances. I play 5/5 and buy in min $300. Just moved up from 3/5 and not looking back 🙂
think it has to do with range interactions, since the 9 has more overlap with V's continuing range. Don't think their respective values as kickers are the point here (i might be wrong, just theorizing)
Its possible that its because an A8 that gets a fold from an A9 and A10 is a win but an A9 that gets a fold from A8 and lower isn't as profitable. Sometimes the solver likes to skip down a couple spots in the range to pick it's bluffs and I think this is to get value by getting folds from those slightly better hands.
youre exactly right
@@matttorma6787
I'm not sure how much this stuff helps. How do I raise 12%?? How do you track all these percentages when actually playing?
You don't, that's the beauty of live poker, you can't just sit there and stare at a chart or have software tell you what to do on every street. So you practice your ass off and try to memorize as much as you can and apply it as best as possible, that's what separates one player from the other, who has the most experience in understanding of any given spot. You'll never be perfect, but you can certainly have an edge
Wow I need to start 3betting A5s and A4s I guess
yes definitely! I play 5/10/20 and 90% of players on the table know to 3 bet A4s and A5s
Only if you're good post and know how to bluff.
And K6
@@vader6203 k6 like 10% of the time from the button and only later positions
Is there any way to see the range percentages for specific hands in the app as you did at 2:34? I have the RedChip Poker app with the ranges, but it doesn't allow me to see percentages for specific hands (at least I don't think it does).
Not at this time. We haven't figured out a clean way to display this on mobile without creating a UI/UX nightmare =(
@@ThePokerBank Understandable. Has there been any consideration to creating a corresponding computer app? I imagine it would be easier to display things on the computer.
@@matthewwilliamsmath5175 Heavy consideration, but we haven't yet as we don't want to aid in RTA behavior
@@ThePokerBank Good point. I hadn't thought of that because the main reason I use your app is for the full ring ranges for live poker.
@@matthewwilliamsmath5175 makes total sense =)
GTO --> nash equilibrium --> total profit for each player : 0,00 $ 😁
Under the gun plus one raise under the gun plus 2 calls and it folds to you on the big blind with 22 big blinds soon to be 16 big blinds. I 3 bet 44. Probably should have shoved.
I signed up for Core, How do I cancel?
1. Why on my app have not the live rGTO?
2. Why the tournament ranges are so pure with only 20bb stack?
Thanks
1. Have you updated the app to the latest version?
2. We have more MTT ranges coming shortly =)
Im never folding pocket 8s to a 3bet in 1/2 nl.
when u say "UTG open", what exactly that means? is it that UTG raised pre-flop to 3bb for example?
An "open" or "open-raise" is when a player is the first to enter the pot and they do so by raising (as opposed to limping). So your example is exactly an UTG open, yup!
I have a hard time trying to wrap my head around some of these solver-based ranges. A lot of things seem non-intuitive and without a deeper explanation as to why, it becomes hard to create a strategy around it.
Ex. Why is AQs not a 3-bet ever, but AJs is 50% and KQs is 75%?
AQs is a 3-bet in many spots in this solve fwiw, so we want to be careful about over-extrapolating. But why did the solver put AQs purely in the calling ranges in these ranges? Likely to protect the calling ranges and allow for hands that can continue against squeezes, perform better in MW pots if there are additional callers, etc.
Thank you for the reply. Yes I was referring specifically to the UTG vs HJ 3 Bet range which has AQs as 100% call. I will have to read up more on protecting calling ranges. But It seems like AQs should always be stronger r than KJs even multi way.
@@NickPoulos You're very welcome. I would also suggest looking at the UTG OR, as that can be a hint in where/why the solver chooses the call 2bet vs 3bet cusp. All the OR ranges are free in the app if you're interested =)
Ayo the discord isnt in the description :)
Fixed. Thanks Hector!
Sure, 3 bet A5s just as often as AKs. Thats Genius.
What’s name of your app?
The GTO Poker Ranges App by Red Chip Poker. redchippoker.com/gto-ranges-app
These are based on 4bb RFI's ?
Correct
3 bet sizing from but / sb ???
3x open plus additional money in pot for B 3bet and 4.5x open raise for sb 3bet
I'm very curious how/why QQ would be 3Bet so infrequently from HJ
Likely due to the tightness of the UTG OR range and protection of the HJ's call-vs-UTG-OR range to allow itself to give squeezes action
@@ThePokerBank Probably plays on Pokerstars. I've shoved 12x with 17BBS or less with QQ in tourneys. Only dominated ONCE by AA.
Once ran into AK, the other ten I was against an underpair, and all 10 hit the 2 outter.
I believe you...all online poker is rigged for maximum profit for the site. How about Bovada poker with a 5%/no cap rake? That’s a lot to overcome to become a winning player.
One reason could be that QQ blocks most of the weak parts of UTG's range, in effect strengthening their range. Fewer folds, more 4-bets
Why is A8 3 bet and called but a9 is not
Probably because more people start playing 99 than 88. And if you're dependant on hitting an 8 or a 9 with your A,8 and A,9, you're more often run into players who already have pocket 9s, so the likelihood of you winning the hand by pairing your 9 is much, much lower. Only explanation I could come up with....
Why not 3 bet AQs?
The solver likely doesn't want to have to face a 4bet and the suited variant can handle additional callers and/or squeezes
i cannot undertand how it can be right to 3bet 8% of the time ?! I think ,,either is right to 3bet and I do it 100 % or is wrong and do it never ,,but 8 % ?! cannot understand ?!
From which point of view? From the "8% of hands doesn't seem right to me" or "why does a single hand get a 92%/8% breakdown"?
I'm reading that post as refering to a mixed strategy on a given hand
This GTO Ranges are Stupid there is No difference besides "Blockers" on ATs vs A5s this is crazy, I'll take ATs vs your A5s lets flip for life time and see on the "long run" who is the winner?!?!
With a pretty big please , sugar on the top can someone feed the solver with the right data?!?!
This is good info, but your voice hurts my ears. Sorry mate.