How do fix the “Playing too loose facing a raise and a call” without memorising more charts? How do I know the hands to continue with because of their strength or potential? For instance, I know that A5s & A4s are good for 3-Bet/4-Bet/5-Bet squeezing and bluffing because 1. The Ace blocker; 2. They can hit a straight; and 3. They can hit a flush.
Hey Alvin - just found the channel a few days ago and am finding it really interesting - have watched a ton of your videos in the last couple of days. I notice you do a lot of PIO work but now there is a GTO Wizard link in each video's description - so in your opinion do you think GTOW is more useful even though you cant use your own ranges? I mean, its so quick! I have GTO+ and GTOW and find the latter much more user friendly. Appreciate your thoughts and keep up the great work.
I think good addition to that overplaying KK/QQ is that position is really important here, if you would be OOP I think we are still 4 betting KK quite often. QQ could work as a exploitative call if 3 bettor is super tight but I would imagine as OOP KK wants to still makes stacks more shallow and can call some showes if the IP is bad and might be showing QQ JJ while in position. Am I right?
His examples were in position, since they were both facing raises from the SB and BB. This is because optimally, if the blinds are 3 betting an UTG open their range is pretty condensed. OOP with a low SPR will often be a shove with those hands.
@@Optable You shouldn't really lump 'the blinds' together since BB uses a more polar 3b and sb is linear. The solver will play perfectly IP, so calls more valuing position greatly (again bc it will not make any errors). It is a combination of factors that go into why it CAN be beneficial to flat some big hands, ie some solves use AKo the way KK is being presented in this video. Why? If a polar range is being used, it is almost certainly better to flat since that range uses many Kx and Ax suited combos, along with big pairs to 3b. So if you call and see a flop, and there is no A, and you block much of the Kx suited bluffs, you get paid when they have an overpair less than yours. The solver accepts losing to AA the same as it would preflop, just in a way that allows it to get max value from other hands that are in villains range, thus increasing value in the long run. The linear range has different effects when using a big pair or AKo, so I cannot concisely explain that position in one post.
I think if you're convinced that poker is different between live and online, and that it's not a game of ranges and thinking about those critically, then it's my job to convince you that it's the same approach. After all, how many online crushers suck at live, compared to the opposite?
when UTG opens and BTN calls (BTN big fish 80vp) I think we should defend more from BB now instead of less when 2 regs involved in the pot..am I right?
Focusing on the extremes in situations isn't very useful, but I wouldn't defend looser that I would against one player unless the button is a huge whale and has money , but this just isn't a common situation.
Hard to believe not flatting Kings could be a top 5 leak. How much of an error can that be? Seems like it must be a very little. OTOH the next one, about not opening up enough against weak opposition looks like a big winner.
Yes the whole "So many people called I can call much wider as well, I have great odds!" as been one of the most spread false info in the history of poker I think
The point is we're playing against a weak player. Yes a 2.5x 4bet is the correct size, but we should be looking to charge the fish more. If we 2.5x playing for stacks post will be more difficult than if we 3-4x and a weaker player will be less elastic to bigger sizes.
@@ciarangallaghercg so are you 4-betting large with the intent of them folding preflop, or playing for stacks post-flop? If you 4-bet large and they call, they will probably think they are priced in if they catch a piece
@@hereweareagain.4463 you're happy both if they fold or call but we'd probably prefer a call. We expect them to call too loose so they'll be losing and will play worse post flop. Do you think a fish calls with ATs for 20bb but doesn't call for 24bb? Making the pot bigger makes it easier to get stacks in but it also just means we're getting more money in while we're ahead. Remember the fish will miss the flop most of the time still so they'll check fold a lot. If we charge them 4bb more pre that's a big boost to our overall winrate
I already know this so far, and almost nobody ever follows through it. Even strong streamers, top live poker pros. Almost all players do call like this situ. EP opens 2.5bb CO calls BU calls BB(hero) w/ KTo. I was arguing to fold so far from years ago. But almost 95%+ people would call it except innate nitty guys or really hard studying guys. Other ex), EP opens 2.5bb CO 3bet 7.5bb BU c4bet 19bb, then all folds to CO and CO jams 100bb BU should'nt really call AKo here but like above nobody almost folds it(I do fold), It's enough to protect your range by calling QQ+ AKs only. If you call all 34 combos of QQ+ AK, then your opponent jamming AA KK is so so high EV, and he has no worth to jam QQ and AK becuz you never give him a enough fold equity. if you c4bet QQ+ AK and very little bit of bluffs AQs AJs(not 100%) and still call QQ+ AK, fold equity is less than 20% which is very very overcalling. you should give him at least 50% fold equity, if you don't your opponent has no reason to bluff jam w/ AK and QQ( QQ is not value jam here ).
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How do fix the “Playing too loose facing a raise and a call” without memorising more charts? How do I know the hands to continue with because of their strength or potential? For instance, I know that A5s & A4s are good for 3-Bet/4-Bet/5-Bet squeezing and bluffing because 1. The Ace blocker; 2. They can hit a straight; and 3. They can hit a flush.
Hey Alvin - just found the channel a few days ago and am finding it really interesting - have watched a ton of your videos in the last couple of days. I notice you do a lot of PIO work but now there is a GTO Wizard link in each video's description - so in your opinion do you think GTOW is more useful even though you cant use your own ranges? I mean, its so quick! I have GTO+ and GTOW and find the latter much more user friendly. Appreciate your thoughts and keep up the great work.
I use it on my phone when I'm not at home at piosolver and need to check some ideas out. I do however mostly really on my own solves.
I think good addition to that overplaying KK/QQ is that position is really important here, if you would be OOP I think we are still 4 betting KK quite often. QQ could work as a exploitative call if 3 bettor is super tight but I would imagine as OOP KK wants to still makes stacks more shallow and can call some showes if the IP is bad and might be showing QQ JJ while in position. Am I right?
His examples were in position, since they were both facing raises from the SB and BB. This is because optimally, if the blinds are 3 betting an UTG open their range is pretty condensed. OOP with a low SPR will often be a shove with those hands.
@@Optable You shouldn't really lump 'the blinds' together since BB uses a more polar 3b and sb is linear. The solver will play perfectly IP, so calls more valuing position greatly (again bc it will not make any errors). It is a combination of factors that go into why it CAN be beneficial to flat some big hands, ie some solves use AKo the way KK is being presented in this video. Why? If a polar range is being used, it is almost certainly better to flat since that range uses many Kx and Ax suited combos, along with big pairs to 3b. So if you call and see a flop, and there is no A, and you block much of the Kx suited bluffs, you get paid when they have an overpair less than yours. The solver accepts losing to AA the same as it would preflop, just in a way that allows it to get max value from other hands that are in villains range, thus increasing value in the long run. The linear range has different effects when using a big pair or AKo, so I cannot concisely explain that position in one post.
Thanks for the video I kind of like your style of training. I play mostly live poker does your training have any live cash?
I think if you're convinced that poker is different between live and online, and that it's not a game of ranges and thinking about those critically, then it's my job to convince you that it's the same approach. After all, how many online crushers suck at live, compared to the opposite?
AlvinTeachesPoker? Nah more like AlvinTeachesCrushingPoker and not how to grind out 2.8bb/100 lol. Great vid man!
great video. "irregardless" is not a word.
when UTG opens and BTN calls (BTN big fish 80vp) I think we should defend more from BB now instead of less when 2 regs involved in the pot..am I right?
Focusing on the extremes in situations isn't very useful, but I wouldn't defend looser that I would against one player unless the button is a huge whale and has money , but this just isn't a common situation.
Do you use GTOw as a static GTO bot vs GTO bot sim? Do you use it out of simple convenience?
I don't train with trainers at all, I just use it as convenience and to double check similar results in my own sims, like computers loving k6s
@@AlvinTeachesPoker gotcha thanks
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You didn’t have to do us like that with the 3x size callout
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@@AlvinTeachesPoker I get raising bigger v small 3b, but what are you saying we should do v 7x open, 3bet smaller I imagine?
@@robertbrooks661 no fuck that guy, bomb him huge when you have the goods... Which you should often have when you're 3betting such a ridiculous size
Hard to believe not flatting Kings could be a top 5 leak. How much of an error can that be? Seems like it must be a very little.
OTOH the next one, about not opening up enough against weak opposition looks like a big winner.
Haha not top five leak, just one of five!
Are you sure the GTO Wizard charts are correct Alvin? Can’t imagine it being correct to not VPIP ATs from BB for 2,5x
Yeah I've checked them against my solves and they are quite close
Yes the whole "So many people called I can call much wider as well, I have great odds!" as been one of the most spread false info in the history of poker I think
@@pierre-yvesmimpontel6984 Talking about ATs here and not 83s. I still can’t imagine it being correct to fold it vs 2,5bb.
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Pluribus makes loose calls 3way 🙂
Pluribus plays rakeless, which should allows it to defend more hands profitably compared to the charts from GTOWizard
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Wait, so are you saying 4-bet bigger in your last point? I thought you have to 4-bet smaller, especially when stacks are only 100bbs effective…
The point is we're playing against a weak player. Yes a 2.5x 4bet is the correct size, but we should be looking to charge the fish more. If we 2.5x playing for stacks post will be more difficult than if we 3-4x and a weaker player will be less elastic to bigger sizes.
@@ciarangallaghercg so are you 4-betting large with the intent of them folding preflop, or playing for stacks post-flop? If you 4-bet large and they call, they will probably think they are priced in if they catch a piece
@@hereweareagain.4463 you're happy both if they fold or call but we'd probably prefer a call. We expect them to call too loose so they'll be losing and will play worse post flop. Do you think a fish calls with ATs for 20bb but doesn't call for 24bb? Making the pot bigger makes it easier to get stacks in but it also just means we're getting more money in while we're ahead. Remember the fish will miss the flop most of the time still so they'll check fold a lot. If we charge them 4bb more pre that's a big boost to our overall winrate
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I already know this so far, and almost nobody ever follows through it. Even strong streamers, top live poker pros.
Almost all players do call like this situ. EP opens 2.5bb CO calls BU calls BB(hero) w/ KTo. I was arguing to fold so far from years ago. But almost 95%+ people would call it except innate nitty guys or really hard studying guys. Other ex), EP opens 2.5bb CO 3bet 7.5bb BU c4bet 19bb, then all folds to CO and CO jams 100bb BU should'nt really call AKo here but like above nobody almost folds it(I do fold), It's enough to protect your range by calling QQ+ AKs only. If you call all 34 combos of QQ+ AK, then your opponent jamming AA KK is so so high EV, and he has no worth to jam QQ and AK becuz you never give him a enough fold equity. if you c4bet QQ+ AK and very little bit of bluffs AQs AJs(not 100%) and still call QQ+ AK, fold equity is less than 20% which is very very overcalling. you should give him at least 50% fold equity, if you don't your opponent has no reason to bluff jam w/ AK and QQ( QQ is not value jam here ).