Wing Sung 3013 Vac-Fill Fountain Pen Review
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2019
- Well made, inexpensive vac-fill pen. Feels good in the hand. Nib needed some work but in the end. Attention - price drop now $5 USD. Other pens in video:
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I recently got a pack of 3 of these for under 20 bucks and all three nibs are wonderfully smooth extra fine nibs. My art is based mainly on very fine dense detail linework and these are a real surprise. I thought they might be fun pens to try but I never thought they'd be so perfect for what I do. I'm thrilled with my purchase.
Wonderful review, as always, Chris. Thanks!
great to see a review for this much anticipated pen
A great review as always! I just bought one of these from Bobby Pen and I can’t wait to try it out.
I really appreciate this review. I have the transparent purple version of the 3013 on order. For under $4, it certainly is an affordable Vac-filler.
Very interesting very nice review. Thanks Chris!
thanks for your review. It made me changed my mind. I am not a big fan of transparent pens but your comments help me to decide to give a try to Wing Sung and to know about vac - fill system.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching. I have a few, all good, consistently.
good stuff , Thank you Just ordered myself a pair of these...
Nice video as always. I found this pen on Ebay a couple of weeks ago and I ordered 3 Wing Sung, transparent, brown, purple and 3 Pali, transparent, blue, green. The price was 148 swedish ”kronor” ($15) for a set of 3 pens shipped. I have not recieved them yet but I think it’s a very good pen for the price. Thank’s for the review Chris!
The Paili clear should have a grey section and blind cap at the end, iirc
Man I love your stuff and think these reviews are extremely well done. I would and do recommend your videos to anyone needing more pen info A+
And Love the theme song too
Thanks, appreciate the feedback.
Wow, a great review. I never seen a pen review this specific. I'm planning to buy this pen and swab the nib with G nibs because the ink capacity are large (modifying the G nib to fit in the feed). I thought the nib can't be swapped until I see your review. Thanks for the review!
Glad it was helpful!
Was looking forward to this review! Thanks Chris!
The 3013 does post! You just have to give it some umph 💪🏻
thanks.
I have a blue one which I like. The nib is ok, not great. What bothered me was a very sharp edge on the step from the barrel to the section. I had to file the edge to make it usable.
I knew you'd have this already !
Thank you Chris.
That feeling when you fall in love with an ink shown on a 2-year-old video and then discover it's no longer available.
You might want to look at Monteverde Noir series of inks. www.amazon.com/dp/B077NM86TQ
@@chrisrap52 I completely forgot about that line. I do have the rose noir. I'll have to put it in a pen and check out the rest of the line. Thank you for the reply. Very kind.
An amazing value for the price.
thanks for a comprehensive review as always 'i was holding off buying until i,d seen a few reviews it really does look good for the price i just wish they had more colour options can,t imagine why they thought " lets make it in 3 colours one of which shall be brown"
Paul Wanstall Search for Paili or Pali foutain pen on Ebay and you will see the pen in blue and green😊
There is purple....
I was thinking of getting the brown. I thought it would go with brown ink. I really like brown.
La calidad de video es impresionante. El nivel de detalle que logra la cámara que está usando es excelente y destaca detalles que a simple vista seguramente pasarían desapercibidos. En ese nivel de detalle la calidad de esa pluma no se ve interesante, pero el producto en global y por el precio que tiene, va a valer la pena ensayarlo. Es evidente en estos años de seguimiento a sus videos, el incremento en la calidad de fabricación de los señores de China. Bien por ellos.
Cordial saludo.
Gracias. Disfruto del video de alta resolución y trato de hacer el mío de esa manera.
@@chrisrap52 Su trabajo es excelente, la verdad. Me gusta mucho el tema del rating. Me parece que debería generar una plantilla para "guiar" los comentarios y, por ejemplo, en los puntos del rating en los que usted hace el check list, que están previamente listados..... Yo la verdad disfruto mucho sus videos.
Thanks Chris for the review . Ordered one of these a few days ago in the clear finish , spooky.
I too bought mine from Bobby on Aliexpress , because they had it first, and I bought it with the nib replaced with a wet medium and I absolutely love it! I love it so much that I have went back and bought the brown through Etsy's website. Wonderful solid pen!
Great. My next 3013 is from Etsy/Bobby.
I'm fairly certain that the screw holding the cap finial isn't rustproof or resistant. Every wingsung I've owned with that screw has ended up rusting. I was going to buy this pen for some friends but after seeing that it has that screw, I can't knowing put them through that
I have found if you place some clear acrylic varnish in the end of the cap it then seals airtight.
Perfect.
Just got the same pen in the Paili 013. Great review! Mine will probably stain, as I filled it with Noodler's red black, but I plan to use it, not keep it on a pedestal under a glass case, so not really worried about the staining. The second one is going to be filled with blue ink, so that one might not stain. Only time will tell...
I have not determined what will result in staining what. Just cleaned out a pen where half the converter was darkly stained from ink.
More reds seem to stain, from everything I've read, but I like the Noodler's red black, and have it in several pens, now. Of course, it's my only ink besides a basic, cheaper black (Thornton's Luxury Goods.) I am getting a bottle of Waterman Mysterious Blue, so I'll be up to 3 different colours. I'm pretty basic in my ink needs. 😉
Nice! I'm putting this pen on my wishlist! Thanks for the video Chris!
Chris Saenz it’s so cheap just buy it ya dingus
What color did you get?
Nice review. I got mine from Bobby, he changed the nibs - mine's M. Really nice writer!
Thanks for another great video Chris. I have the clear one with a Bobby medium nib and it writes really nicely. I have a blue on the way with a fine nib so will see how it writes. Just a quick question, when you took the pen apart, to remove the piston mechanism did you use an adjustable wrench or do you have a specific sized spanner?
No tools needed. Used finger to unscrew the metal ring.
@@chrisrap52 Thanks Chris. Your review showing the disassembly is really helpful as I also like to silicone vac and piston fillers after flushing them.
Great review as usual, Chris.
What are your thoughts on the WS 3013 compared with the Penbbs 456? There are many variants of the 456, which range between AU$60 and AU$120, while the 3013 can be had for as low as AU$6. Following your reviews, I have both and they feel comparable in my amateur hands, but considering the price differential, the Wing Sung would appear to knock the Penbbs out of the park.
The 3013 is a Great value but may not have the longevity of the 456. The inner rod of the 3013 appears to be plated which will corrode. The 456 is solid stainless steel. The 456 is turned acrylic, the 3013 is injection molded, can be prone to cracking. The 456 comes in many more exotic finishes. Based on your pricing you can get 10 - 3013s for the least expensive 456. I expect 10 will outlast 1. Which one makes you happier?
Thanks for your detailed and considered critique. Very informative as per your usual high standards. I suspect most of us will end up with both, and even more than one of each. Keep the ink flowing.
Thanks.
As alwz excellent review.
Plz Review "hero 395"
So cool, I can get the 3013, rebranded to Paili 013 for US$3.93 w/ delivery to doorstep (still thinking of buying it but I know I will get addicted to collecting fountain pens, I'm trying to find a reason to buy for work, maybe help w/ art stuff for another color:-). I hope one day refillable fountain pens that write well, would match US$0.20 cents like the best writing ballpen, the Standard BPM 0.7 (smoother than a G2 and any of Pilot's legendary rollerball and ballpens).
I heard Wing Sung nibs rust? Is this true? Is the nib solid stainless steel or plated? I'm new to fountain pens, just got my very first one a few days ago (aluminum Ohto Proud customized with "The Great Wave Off Kanagawa" (silkscreened + hand sprinkled with gold)- I love writing with it, on my custom made/prototype onion skin, small notebook (just noodling, to relax).
Onion skin is the smoothest, next to photo paoer (if one manages to start writing on photo paper- I hope they invent a cheap as regular cheap paper photo paper but for now that'd be the onion skin paper).
Thank you. God bless, Proverbs 31
Nibs are stainless steel, they do not rust.
Trying to coax mine into actually filling up via vacuum. After some experimentation, I've learned it's leaking from the movable piston head area. Silicone no help, so put a bit of RTV in the hole that piston rod extends through. If this fails, I suppose I'll shape some new piston ring material (and remember to order a couple of extra when I buy ultra-cheap pens in the future.)
I have many of the PENBBS parts kits. Has a variety of o-rings. My 3013s have all worked. Haven't needed to repair. Let us know how you fix yours.
@@chrisrap52 Thanks for the reply! I actually ordered my first PenBBS a couple of days ago...but didn't realize they offered parts kits at the time. Will be ordering one today for future use! I assume they're all different? If so, I'll grab 2 I think.
Will let you know how 3013 fixes go!
There is only one parts kit - www.etsy.com/listing/680663941/penbbs-pen-parts-package
Nice review. Thank you! Do you find the plunger seals the barrel from the section with the blind cap fully tightened down? My examples don't but others report their pens do.
I'd thought about that. There is no rubber end to the piston like PenBBS uses to seal off feed but piston might seal section. Haven't needed to open blind cap to write like I do with 456 & 355. Will look at this closer with next 3013's I get.
@@chrisrap52 Do you have an update on this, Chris?
@@yuklimka7251 Pen no longer inked up. It dried out as I didn't use it often. Pen is well made & hefty. Worth a few bucks.
@@chrisrap52 Thank you. I also checked with Doug Rathbun who's had a 50% rate of cracking with the 3008 (same material), so I've decided that although it looks pretty and is inexpensive, I'll try to return it. Happy New Year.
Hello , Mr.Chris. Would you lend me your knowledge? Why is Wing Song 698 10 times more expensive than Wing Song 3013? Are they made of different materials?
I'd like to swap pilot stub nibs for Chinese piston fillers...
Good question. Both injection molded plastic. They feel the same. The 3 digit Wing Sungs are considered better quality that the 3 digit models. The 698 has always been a high price pen, $17 USD while the 3013 can be $2.50 USD. A have a few 698 EDC. Have used for years. None of my 3013s are inked, drying out issues. I like the 698 more, the nib is "special quality". Many consider the vac-filler to be a higher quality filling system. Price doesn't reflect that.
@@chrisrap52 Thank you for your kind and detailed answer. I decided to buy the 698 after reading your message. This is because fountain pen friends on UA-cam, including you, choose the 698 for the purpose of using it comfortably. Many thanks!
Thanks for another great review. I also got one of these 3013s and enjoy writing with it. But I'm disappointed that on my pen, the piston rod doesn't seal the ink chamber at the end. When it's screwed all the way down, I can easily see daylight between the piston and the chamber. Does your pen do this or did I get a defective one?
My understanding, it is not designed to seal. One of the features left off to meet a price point. I find my 456s & 355s need to be opened up to write after sitting for a few days. So far this pen writes all the time. The shut off feature is not one I need.
A question about vacuum fillers in general: Can you un-ink it (for example when you want to switch inks). Do you just pull the plunger back and the ink flows past the seal or is it more difficult?
You can use piston to force out ink, takes a few pumps. Or you could unscrewed section or pull out nib/feed & pour out ink. I would do that as will be easier to clean out pen,
@@chrisrap52 Thank you. Found one for 3,70€ and ordered it immediately.
I have a TWSBI Vac 70 & Eco, so I ordered a 3013 not expecting anything, but boy was I surprised...it's just as good as the Vac 70 which is ten times more expensive...also better than the Jenhao X450 and Nemosine demonstrator...they will go up in price fast. I hope it's not made in Wuhan.
One has been my EDC for a while. I have a smile when I write with it.
I tried a Bock #5 nib in this pen and it didn’t work. It fitted alright but no ink came through no matter what. It is good but no way beat twisbi vac.
The challenge with replacing these "Pilot Style" nibs.
Wish it didn't have the silver metal insert in the section. I'd rather be able to see the ink.
On mine the piston pushes back on its own just a tiny bit, maybe an 1/8th of an inch or so. Maybe the Wing Sung piston fits tighter or the PenBBS piston seals a little better?
I just received another 3013 & its twin brother Paili 013 in green. Both of these pistons move on their own almost as much as the 456. Well made, great buy pens.
@@chrisrap52 I just got a 3013 from Bobby today with the swapped M nib. Pull the plunger out, push it down to right before the vacuum breaks and plunger will move all the way back to the top! Well, maybe an 1/8 of an inch short but that's it!
There are variations in these pens. Glad to hear yours moves easily.
chrisrap52 Definitely some variation but for less than 10 bucks that's to be expected I think. I haven't filled the one that moves all the way yet. I'm curious if it will draw more ink than the one that barely moves.
hi chris! I just got my wing sung 3013 today, and when I filled it up some ink got in between the grip and the silver nib assembly. is this supposed to happen? if not then any ideas on how to fix it?
Not typical based on my experience. Mine has been inked & in use since this video. No ink in section. Would not call it nib assembly as I could not remove it. I see on o-ring at nib end of silver insert assume one at to near barrel. Maybe on your top o-ring not sealing & ink is getting between section & silver insert. No fix as far as I know. Fix would be remove the silver insert & fix seal. I have another 3013 & a green Paili (same model). I'll let you know if I learn more.
@@chrisrap52 Yeah I'm having the same issue with mine, it has a really small o-ring near the end and I'm probably going to seek out some tiny, thin o-ring to pop onto it, or put some sort of sealing slicone there to keep it from sucking up ink.
edit: I'm back, and it's not the seal at the bottom of the silver section--it pops out easily and there's a little part at the end that's cut on an angle, vs flat and straight, where it would snap in cleanly. So it's sucking up through the outer part of the section vs the inner part of the section.
The metal covering the grip is such an odd choice, there translucent feeds would've looked pretty cool through the grip
Agreed. Can only guess why. Maybe designers liked the look of a metal section.
@@chrisrap52 now I'm thinking they did it to distinguish themselves from the penbbs vacuum filler which is very similar, don't know which came first though
More to resemble TWSBI Vac which is injection molded. PenBBS 4567 is turned acrylic in many colors.
There is a new high quality Vac-Fill pen: Wingsung 699, very well made, 32mm nib, new 14K gold nib(F,M) or steel nib(EF,F,M,B), with higher price(around $30, and $100 for gold nib), more color option, and maybe celluloid verson with higher price.
I ordered mine, smoke & steel nib.
@@chrisrap52 Only demo version on market now, the retail version need to be wait, with better quality control.
Didn't know. Taking my chances with demo.
feels like at $600 pen.
Could you fill it to the full?
I just can't do it regardless which method i tried
Unscrew section & fill with a syringe to get 100% full. I've used the vac-filler from TWSBI, got 75% full same as I can get doing two vac-fills. Second one, pull down piston to top of ink, insert in bottle & push down. And you don't have another container to wash out. For me, a 100% fill is not a goal.
If you wanted to fill it up more what would you do just keep going?
With nib up, pull plunger down to ink level, insert nib into ink, plunge down. Or unscrew nib/section & use a syringe to fill up. Or use a vac-filling bottle, TWSBI or Visconti. I'm ok with normal fill, last a long time.
@@chrisrap52 thanks I got a 85% fill
Be careful how you remove the nib and feed. I tried to open mine for cleaning it up and the feed just sheared off in half...
That metallic looking sleeve inside the section is actually plastic, not metal. I noticed that when I was trying to remove the other half of the feed.
Personally, I won't bother to buy another one.
Sorry to hear. It can be challenging taking a pen apart. I've broken a few, thankfully not lately. I try to limit the amount of force I use. Some pens will not come apart. I've found that soaking nib & feed in a soapy solution sometimes frees up the feed for removal.
@@chrisrap52 Hi Chris, thanks for your reply. I am no stranger to fountain pens - been using them since I've been 5 years old (almost 40 now) - this is my first time when I had a feed break on me.
Could be that mine was a dud... maybe the feed was faulty from the beginning. Once I removed the other half that was stuck in the section, I noticed it had another crack line and basically it was half broken as well. Truth to be told, these feeds seems to be way too small and brittle I find - but that is just my opinion.
The Wing Sung 3001 (the 78G copy) feed will not work in this one (because of the same nib, I was hoping the feeds will be the same) - the thin, long end of the feed is thicker on the 3001. I looked to see if there are replacement feeds, and I have found a seller... had a good chuckle - the feed cost just as much as a new pen :D.
Anyway, sorry for the long post, hopefully mine was a dud and no one else has this issue. I might look into its bigger brother, the 699. I have seen your review on it and the nib and feed seems to be more robust than this one.
Thanks for the reply. I appreciate the nuances of inexpensive Chinese pens. It is amazing that it is sometimes less expensive to buy another pen that to buy parts. The impact of volume on pricing vs. a small number of parts. I enjoy this market and all its unique qualities.
@@chrisrap52 Agree :), always loved FPs and this is a good time to live in when it comes to them - vintage, modern all for quite great prices.
Can the nib be removed without taking the pen apart?
Yes, just pull it out.
@@chrisrap52 Thank you, Chris. I thought so, but I was hesitant for fear I might damage it.
Almost a Twsbi vac700r
How much different comparing it to TWSBI 700r? Any idea? Thank you
ESCALATOR OF PEN
I paid 14.80 for mine. Now it can be grabbed for 4.98... what the hell? :-)
It costs to be first. I paid $12.
@@chrisrap52 I am in the Netherlands and bought my pens from the UK, but I just bought 2 on Ebay for €7. (seven euros) Free shipping
Thanks for the review, I have this one, too, and it's really not bad. Can I be critical for a sec? You rate a pen at some arbitrary high value 9.2 (which is kind of your default), and then discover that you have to fix the nib (which you don't like in the first place, it being Pilot-style), and then you admit on-camera that you didn't enjoy writing with the pen until you spent a bunch of time doing nibwork. So what in the world does 9.2 mean? If a pen with a wonky nib which doesn't write well gets a 9.2, it means zilch. I find your whole numerical rating thing fairly comical anyway, but this video is a great example of how comical it is. Please try to rate these pens objectively, or simply can the whole rating thing, which has become so inflated as to be meaningless. Honestly: how many pens go below 8.5 in these videos? I can't think of a single one.
Viewers asked me to rate pens. I use the checks to indicate what rating is based on. This pen is very well made & a great bargain, that = 9.2. Nibs can be adjusted or swapped. I guess I've been getting good pens lately.
@@chrisrap52 I appreciate that your viewers want some form of rating. OTOH, you also gave a 9.2 to the Moonman N2, which you start off my saying was a disappointment. 9.2 seems to mean, "it didn't fall apart in my hands after a couple of days of writing". Since so many of the criteria you use pertain specifically to the nib (wetness & flow, hard starts, etc.), I don't necessarily buy your argument, but hey, it's your channel. :-) Anyway, I didn't want to be extra-snarky about it, I just noticed that the ratings appear to be pure fantasy, and that's ok. I personally would find an overall rating "great value for the money"/"average value for the money"/"save your money" more useful than 9.2 on a scale of 9 to 9.8, but reasonable people can disagree.
Ручка красивая, перо хорошо шлифовано, но подача сухая. Резиновый поршень плохо сделан - имел облой, который мешал нормально заправлять чернила. Пришлось разобрать ручку и доработать поршень. Шток поршня из дешёвой стали, плохо хромирован и вскоре покрылся ржавчиной. А ржавчина меняет цвет чернил! :(
Это очень недорогая ручка. Качество будет сильно различаться от ручки к ручке. Снял видео про удилище. ua-cam.com/video/QU20p0jLedc/v-deo.html
Obviously, this is a Knockoff TWSBI Vac 700r. Although the low price is really tempting, i'll stick with the original. Why can't WingSung develop their own Design, like Jinhao for example did with the X750?
Not a knockoff. Shares some design elements. If they branded it as a TWSBI then it would be a knockoff.
You're right. But most design elements are TWSBI here. Chinese manufacturers make well made pens. Wouldn't it be great if they would develop their own, unique design?
There are many unique pens made in China. There are also some that resemble other pens. Design influence is very common in the commercial industry. I look at a pen for what it is, not what it might resemble.