Wing Sung 3013 & Paili 013 nib swap
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
- Green & Purple Vac-fillers. Put in a Pilot M & a generic Fude nib. A great pen, breat buy, with some great nibs. Original F is also very good. Full 3013 review - • Wing Sung 3013 Vac-Fil...
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I've had my eye on this pen for some time and finally purchased it after watching this review. First vacuum filler I've ever ordered. Thanks for the video.
Kudos to you for this exploration! Glad you took the time dig up these nib options. Thanks for sharing the PenBBS ink experience. The Lamy ink looks like a great match.
Chris. I said the exact same thing to myself about not buying any pens for the month of August. I laid down a no ink buy for August too. Glad you are not buying any pens in August, I have to say your videos have a big influence on many of my pen and ink purchases. That is a compliment!!
Well, you were right when you said these would probably be around a while, as it is now 2022!
Great exploration into some other nib options for these pens. I am considering ordering my third one as the price is great! I noticed with mine when I unscrewed the turn knob out of habit it actually impeded ink flow because of the barrel design.
Lots of opinions on the blind cap. I agree with your experience. I keep cap closed, pen writes OK.
Good review! I do like that Fude nib you put in the pen. I’ll have to find one or two.
Waiting for one based on full review. Will be my first vacuum filler. Own some Wing Sung and all are great. Swapped nibs on a 698 with the Pilot Pluminix stub and love it.
Full review, no nib swapping. ua-cam.com/video/wMlK6iUXIiE/v-deo.html
I prefer the fude over the Pilot nib.
Thanks Chris, I bought a brown and a purple 3013, with a little smoothing it's a very nice writer. One warning the end unscrewed when I posted it and I had a full load of ink on my sleeve and lap. Now I've tightened the ends and the pens are amazing for under $10.
Haven't had mine come apart. Good to know, I'll be careful.
Just hoping the August no-buy policy doesn’t cut down on the reviews. I also enjoy all the different ink colors. Thanks for all you do!
I have more than a few pens & videos in the pipeline. No worries.
Thank you. I've been looking for italic nibs for my wingsung 3008a which uses this nib style!
Glad I could help!
Thank you Chris . Great pens even at 4x the price they would still be a bargain.
Thank you, Chris.
That purple is very tempting. I've been wanting to try a vac filler. Good luck on your August pen "no buy". Thanks for the video Chris!!!
Thanks. For under $4 can't go wrong. Vac-filler works well. Nice colors. Enjoy.
Chris, your advice on paying close attention on what is being offered on ebay sites is spot on. I too have in the past almost got caught up in thinking I was getting a real bargain but found it was not the case. I too purchased a blue Wing Sung 3013 for AUS$12 and subsequently purchased 2 more for the same money from another seller. This will only encourage more to get into writing with a fountain pen. I compared it with a TWSBI Diamond 580 AL and found the 3013 to be no more inferior, with the overall finish of the pen, but time will tell I suppose. I am very happy with my 3013 and is part of my EDC pen pouch. Keep up the good work.
Thanks. It's not what you pay but what you get that counts.
I have tried a Knox #5 Medium and a Nemosine #5 Medium in Wing Sung 3013s. I know many people say that you can only put Pilot nibs in these pens, but at a few bucks I decided to experiment and risk breaking the pens. Both nibs went in easily with no issues. It took me a couple of tries to get the feeder high on the nib (closer to the tip). I tried Levenger Cocoa with the Knox and Levenger Amethyst with the Nemosine. The results are, on several different papers ranging from Rhodia (smooth, unabsorbent) to Moleskine (rougher, more absorbent), that I don't like the Knox. It starts hard and feels stiff to me. I don't know whether the problem is my ham-fisted installation, the Cocoa ink (my bottle of it is at least 20 years old!), or that I just don't like the Knox. It's my first Knox #5. I will move it to a Jinhao 992 to eliminate some variables. I like the Nemosine very much and I could use the pen as my daily carry (incidentally, my daily carries are an irreplaceable 1974 Meisterstuck Medium and a Visconti Homo Sapiens Palladium Medium, each of which costs hundreds of times the cost of a 3013). I will next try Jowo broads in the 3013s with shimmering inks. I find the shimmering inks crazy fun in other pens with broad nibs, definitely worth the trouble of frequent clogging and cleaning for me!
You are encouraging me t also experiment with my 3013. I have a number of Knox nibs, #5 & #6s, all B or OBB. Many have been ground, all work very well. Thanks for sharing.
Bobby gives you the option to replace the nib with a "wet" M soft nib for a dollar extra. I find it writes nicely. Maybe try it out! ✒🙂👍
Dean Martin is having issues with his Bobby M nib.
On a pen pause also. At some point will “need” to get some of these to put my plumix/Enso nibs into. I hate the plumix squid pens. They look pretty, by they aren’t very functional because they come apart just by looking at them, and ink supply for calligraphy is limited by cartridge use only, as the converters don’t fit right and sometimes fall off. These Wing Sung / Paili pens with their ink supply combined with the Pilot calligraphy nibs from the Plumix pens will be a great combo. The kids need it. For back to school. I think it might be on their school supply list . . . (Me rationalizing a purchase I should not make for a little bit.)
Perfect use case. Creative purchase justification. Works.
I bought my Wing Sung 3013 from another seller ( not from boby ) but also with a medium ( WS 698) nib and it's writers up to a point the ink is not reaching to the feed no more. Y tried nibs from Win Sung 3011 and from Wing Sung 3008 ( 2019 pilot-style nib version ) and the nib it's somewhat improved but if you let the pen in Horizontal position for some time ( the pen it's caped of course ) the ink it's returning to the reservoir and it lets the feed almost dry .
Unfortunately I've had this issue with a few pens lately with German broad nibs. I've also had it with the Chinese medium nibs. Ink doesn't flow consistently. Something with the ink feed capillary action. I've disassembled, cleaned thoroughly, opened up feed channel, used an easy flowing lubricated ink (Monteverde). Sometimes these actions fix flow. Sometimes I just have to put in another nib.
@@chrisrap52 On the Wing Sung 3013 i think i solved the problem by enlarging a little the feed channel and i enlarged a little also the space between the collector fins, i also change the ink ( no big change three i was using a Pelikan 4001 Royal Blue and i switched to Pelikan 4001 Brilliant Red ) > The same treatment was applied to the Wing Sung 3011 but no ink change but also three results look promising .
Excellent, glad to hear your fix,
I have the Sailor Fude green pen and I love it! I use it for sketches mostly, but boy can it really lay some ink down! I also ordered a bunch of nibs ,which included a fude and a architect from Bobby, but thanks to the post office, it was marked as delivered, but I never received it. 😞 First time it's ever happened so I can consider myself lucky I guess! Anyway, I think I'll have to order again and try out his fude nib.
The Sailor fude blue is also excellent(less of an angle, so can write as normal)
This was my first vacuum filled pen and I have to say, I may rather stick with piston fillers for day-to-day use. I got the Wing Sung 3008 about two years ago and I find myself always coming back to it. I try not to collect pens and just find the one perfect pen, keep selling the ones I accumulate but the 3008 has always stayed with me, to my own surprise. It seems to have a better durability than the 618 in a long term - I noticed some wear with that one, unfortunately.
The 3013/013 is a bit gimmicky to be a perfect EDC in my opinion. Also, because the parts need to be well greased to function correctly, the ink curdles and creates droplets on the barrel which looks pretty bad. Pistons don't do that nearly as much, if at all.
I my view the vac-fillers are more complex than other filling systems & provide a little more ink but they're cool, as many seller call it "a negative pressure pen". Piston fillers work well & have almost as much ink. Have any of the cap screws on your 3008 rusted?
chrisrap52 you're right, vac fillers are super cool and they have larger ink capacity.
The cap screw on 3008 did rust, unfortunately. But silicon grease or clear nail varnish would protect it. Also it's a standard screw so a water resistant replacement is really available
I have another crazy question! Are these pens that are made in China also available to the Chinese market or just international? Just wondered about that.
Yes as far as I know they are also sold in China. There maybe some pens made to appeal to global market but that is so much smaller than the Chinese market. Better to sell to both.
Nice detailed video, as usual. I got a set of three. The pens feel great. Mine came with varying degrees of issues with the vacuum fill. Once is excellent. The pop when the vacuum is released is great. Another has less of a pop but still fills. The third doesn't fill at all. There is no vacuum created. It looks like the rubber rings on the pistons aren't consistent. I took the pen apart and tried to see if it was not seated properly and added a little silicone but it's just a bit too loose to work. It makes me think that having a supply of these rubber rings might be needed over time. I've looked and haven't seen any but maybe they'll pop up somewhere. Thanks again for the review. Very helpful. I was thinking about the nibs too.
The challenges with these mass produced items at a low cost. Something has to give. Unfortunately it's usually consistent quality. One reason I usually buy more than one.
This is a bit of a hack but I thought I'd pass it along. If you disassemble the pen and flip the o-ring at the end of the rod you can get a vacuum. When replacing the rod make sure to have the o-ring fully retracted (the rod will be fully pulled out when reassembling). Screw the rod assembling back in as usual but with the rod still fully extended (pulled out). After assembly you will feel a vacuum but since the o-ring is backwards it doesn't release until you screw the end cap back in. So, before pushing the rod back in, dip the pen into the ink bottle. Screw the end cap in, this will push the o-ring farther down, enough to release the vacuum. This actually pulling in more ink than the working pen but it involves disassembling the pen to fill it.
I spoke too soon. The pen did get a very good fill. However, the O-ring went back up the rod and blocked the ink from going down to the feed. Basically, the pen had to be carefully emptied from the end cap; not good. I guess this one, with the defective O-ring, can be filled by removing the O-Ring and filling it with a syringe.
Thanks for sharing your adventures with us. Glad my 3013s working OK.
For those who might get confused about the Pilot nib: Pilot makes both stub and regular point nibs, and hasn't been consistent in how it labels the stub nibs. The stub nibs were commonly labeled as double broad (BB), but then they changed that. I'm not completely familiar with how they're currently marking their stub nibs, but the one in this video is probably from a pen line with different stub widths available, hence the M, which is identical to how they label their "regular" medium nibs while clearly being a stub.
Unfortunately we can't be guaranteed an experience free from confusion in the fountain pen world. I strongly dislike that Jinhao has made two different pen models under the same number (15). The original Jinhao 15 was inspired by some fancy $2000 pen, and had a nifty posting mechanism that slid the cap inside the end of the pen. The new Jinhao 15 is a Duofold clone of some sort. I own three of the older model and none of the newer model (yet). So when I talk about the cool posting system of the Jinhao 15 I can no longer assume people will find the correct pen.
In this commercially driven Chinese pen world, I expect lots of model changes. Labeling & model identification not a focus. In some ways that makes it a mystery, which one can enjoy.
@@chrisrap52 I agree that the arcane mysteries of Chinese pen model naming is enjoyable. However, that doesn't make avoiding confusion when showing off one of my favorite pen features to others any less frustrating. At some point I'd also like to understand the differences in the available Wing Sung 3008 models, as some are much more like the 3009s while others stay similar to the original TWSBI-clone aesthetic. (Transparent caps and piston cores being the main differentiating factor of the 3009-alikes as far as I can tell.) At least these pens are cheap enough that exploring similarities and differences in person isn't bankrupting.
I like the 3008 & its variants. My interests have faded as I have bought about 30 & gave many away. The rusting screw was a recurring problem. Once I got into PenBBS, they had my full attention. Moonman has risen to take some of my attention. I see the higher end Chinese pens to continue to evolve in interesting ways. Nibs have definitely improved. I am enjoying this journey.
I can't remember, but wasn't it the WS3013 that gave you a lot of startup trouble with the nib and feed initially received, requiring a two-part video to explain the experience? I can't seem to find those now and it's probably my addled brain, but I'm feeling tempted to give my 3013s/013s another shot sometime. They've long since been displaced by pens such as the WS 699, PenBBS 456, Twsbi vac mini and vac700R in my stash.
First video had some nib issues - ua-cam.com/video/wMlK6iUXIiE/v-deo.html.
Next video I swapped nibs - ua-cam.com/video/TPQqEWZpay8/v-deo.html
Hope that helps. I've given away a few, all were liked.
@@chrisrap52 Thanks! I've solved the mystery. For some reason I thought the woes were yours & I was wondering why I couldn't find the videos. The mystery is solved. It wasn't you at all, it was Troy :) see ua-cam.com/video/mzURSMeIPK8/v-deo.html
Sorry for the confusion...
NP, glad you figured it out.
I can not extract feeder and nib from my Wing Sung Paili from the metallic cilinder case. How did you do it? It would be a great help. Thank you.
Try soaking section in warm soapy water for a few hours then twist & pull. Sometimes about 10%, I cannot pull out nib.
Yes, I will try. I think I will get it out in the end knowing it is feasible.. Thank you and regards from Ibiza.
I tried removing the nib and feel on my Paili 013, I tried my fingers, then my rubber grip, then when I removed it, the only thing that came out was the silver collar and the nib and feed was stuck there too, is there any recommendations to how I can remove it? I really want to swap it with my pilot kakuno fine nib
Soak in soapy water for an hour then try to pull out nib.
@@chrisrap52 thank you a lot! I’m trying it tomorrow because it’s late where I live
Hiya did you have any problems getting your nib and feed out of these pens as I want to do a nib swap like you have done and I cannot remove the nib an feed. On two of them I have managed to pull it out in its silver sleeve but it does not seem to budge from that at all. Any ideas?
I have many of these, just pulled nib & feed from a purple one. Initially the silver nib collar came out. Then I used gripper on collar & nib/feed & with some effort pulled the out. It is a plain friction fit. If you can't pull out, try soaking in soapy water, then pulling with a slight twist. Good luck.
@@chrisrap52 Thanks for the tip. I had to soak them in cold water overnight and then I was able to remove the nib and feed but they were well and truly stuck in there. I'm hoping now I've been able to remove them once it will be easy should I need to disassemble them again. I like these pens due to their large ink capacity but the standard wing sung nibs are too fine for my liking so like you I've swapped them put for pilot nibs.
Great job Chris, now do a review on Click Aristocrat fountain pen or Parker vector (modern version)
Thanks😀
Thanks for the request. Glad you enjoyed this video.
Indian Parker vectors are very inconsistent...
Not encouraging me to get one. 😉😉
@@chrisrap52 I would say among affordable Parker, Parker urban is actually a really nice pen. But it is always advisable to check the nib before purchase in a store. Parker sonnet is a fantastic pen, but that is not affordable....Also Parker nibs are inconsistent.
Parker nibs are inconsistent I know but again they are cheap and will not cost you your arm and leg but don't dare to call Click Aristocrat inconsistent, they are the best writers in their budget section and they're also very cheap try them you will not regret Chris🙂
Hi. Is it a #6 nib?
If it is I hope the amazing Fountain Pen Revolution's ultra-flex two tone nib and feed will work great with it.
Thank you.
God bless.
No it's a No. 5 size. Great idea. Let us know it you swap the nib.
Did it work?????? 😊
@@Druuj I'm using a Jinhao X750 with the Ultraflex using the Jinhao's feed. It fits (very hard to fit) and works fine if you write slowly, taking the time but railroads if you write regularly or fast. The Jinhao feed and opening of the X750 will need modifications to keep up with the ink flow (but then I'm using pigmented Noodler's ink).
If you write fast & want the ink flow to keep up & you're ok with modifications (not that hard but it may need a lot of careful trial and error, usually it's making the main ink channel wider but one may overdo it and the ink could leak) it's ok to just buy the Ultraflex nib and/or Ultraflex ebonite feed (it feels like plastic but rough) and save money, otherwise it's best to buy their whole pen with the Ultraflex and the Ultraflex nib (I didn't buy the whole pen, coz' I'm not a fan of the their marbling designs and colors- I wish they had the regular colors like all black and plain dark blue and colors like that).
God bless.
Comparing to 698 which one is better?
I've had 698s inked up for a year & all work well. The 3013 doesn't have the history to be compared. The 698 is 3-4x the 3013 price. If I must choose, I prefer the piton fill 698 over the 3013.
Mine tends to slightly dry out with Lamy Benitoite ink, but that's not a big deal. However, I noticed the screw in the cap started to rust. Any tips on replacement? Or fixing?
An issue with many Wing Sung pens with a screw holding cap finial & clip in place. You could remove they screw, clean it & coat it with nail polish or suitable clear sealant. Then use some outdoor wood glue on threads when reassembling. I've taken a few apart & did not find the metal screws to be a standard. Too bad they don't use a rust resistant or plastic screw. One of the downsides to a very low cost pen.
@@chrisrap52 Thanks Chris! Is it necessary to put glue too? I mean, in the case that I need to get the screw back out?
Outdoor wood glue is water based & will seal but allow screw to be removed later. Doesn't stick to metal or plastic. Main purpose of this effort is to stop screw rusting. i use the glue to seal any air leaks.
@@chrisrap52 Ah I see! Thank you!
@@chrisrap52 maybe metric?
My Pai Li doesn't write very well, but the Wing Sung 3013 does! Doesn't make any sense! Any thoughts?
There are inconsistencies in low-cost mass-produced pens. Without specifics on what the writing issues are I do not have any suggestions. Same ink? Used converter with both? Are they both F or EF nibs?
@@chrisrap52 The Pai Li doesn't write consistently. It has a Wing Sung medium nib from Bobby's Pens. It writes until you lift it off of the paper. Then, when you go to write the next word, nothing. No ink! As you know it is a vac filler. Any help would be appreciated!
I've had same challenges with some of the M nibs from Bobby. On a 698, Bobby has said feed needs to be opened to work well with M nib. Do you have any Pilot style nib you can swap in? Swap in nib from 3013. That would help determine if it is the nib. You could try a wetter ink, like Monteverde. The fix will be a series of changes to determine cause.
@@chrisrap52 I will try what you said and let you know!
@@dhm304100 I bought the blue Fine Wing Sung 3013/Paili 013 and initially did have similar experience with what you did with slight skipping writing the next word, found it was not wet enough and had too much feedback for my liking. I fixed all this by tuning the nib - polishing on micro-mesh, mylar paper and opening the tines with brass sheet. It is not very smooth and wet, which is how I like my pens. Give this a go and it might just fix your problem. Good luck.
Why not to show how you changed the nibs? 😢
Nothing to show, pull out one nib, put in another.
Is there a preferred source to get a fude nib? I have four of these pens and I am not a fan of the fine nibs I have--.5
These pens use a Pilot style nib. I have not looked for these type of of fude nibs. I've heard that a #5 nib might fit. This HongDian black nib might work. www.ebay.com/itm/1Pc-Custom-Black-5-Size-EF-F-Fude-Nib-For-Hong-dian-1850-6013-Fountain-Pen/233730146840
@@chrisrap52 Thank you Chris.
Warning: Please check your inked 3013 because I noticed mine rusts. The rod is made from regular steel and being always in touch with ink, it corrodes. Another user on reddit confirmed his pen also started to rust. We may need to warn people not to get these pens.
I'll watch for it & let you know. So far looks OK.
@@chrisrap52 Very good, thank you
The rod is not magnetic, so it is not plain steel. Based on the photo I saw from you on Reddit, looks like pitting. The rod could be plated brass. Pitting of plating can be caused by many factors, primarily bad plating, which could explain why some see pitting & some don't. Or something in ink attacking plating, chloride could. When I look at rod under a loop, the surface is not smooth, it looks similar to clip & band which are plated. The rod on the 456 is much smoother (not plated) & looks like bare metal.
When I use the magnet on other pens parts from other pens was interesting to see what clips were steel (3013 was) & which weren't (699 not). None of the steel nibs I tested were magnetic, which means they are probably stainless steel.
@@chrisrap52 Very interesting research! If you're right and the plating is at fault, there isn't much to do to save it, is there? If it was all the same material you could perhaps sand it and apply some corrosion resistant coating to protect it. I can feel the pitting when moving over it with my nail. Like little dents. And the rod is definitely not smooth.
The ink could have caused it but I don't know how to find out if that's the case.
The size and form of the pen work so well for me, that even if the rod degrades, I ll just use it an eyedropper. My only gripe is that I just found out in this video that I can replace the nib, but I 've no idea with what to replace it besides pilot CM and normal M. Can't find anything else where I live and shipping it in costs more than the pen.
Purple is the best color let's be honest!
Honesty, I like the green one as well. Both great colors. Now I have a pen to put a nice purple ink in.
I'll buy all 5 colours !
Enjoy. 😍✍👍
Please, make it easier for no English speakers using mor labels. Thank you.
I do what I can. Have you tried close captions in your language?
It's a good thing i did not pay musch for these ... I bought 2 and one is not writing ...tried all sort of thing ,nothing works, recycling bin it is ...
No reason for it not to write. I have 4 in use all write fine. Have you pulled nib & feed for a thorough cleaning?
Have bought 4 so far and all of them wrote straight out the gate for me. I even gave 2 of them to friends to get their first contact with FPs. Both of them got dazzled by the sloshing ink :)
Got to say that this pen, the Wing Sung 3013 and the Penbbs 268 are the most disappointing pens ive bought, in that you write a couple of words, and it runs out of juice.
Sorry to hear, I & many of the viewers had good experiences. Try different inks? Do they have standard nibs?
You have to open the blind cap when you write.
So far have not & writes fine. From what I see piston does not seal section. My PenBBS 456 needs cap open or will stop writing quickly.
@@chrisrap52 I've had the opposite experience. My 3013 runs dry very quickly if the blind cap isn't opened and the plunger drawn back a further few mm. My 456 never sealed properly because the rubber seals kept coming off the piston.
Chinese quality control, every pen a unique experience.