Sorry not to tell about price/perfromance ratios to keep it short, but thank you for your work and not making it 5 hours long video. Thank your for the mixed resolutions and setting allowing us to compare and decide what resolution to use them the 15:04 to 20:34 part is very good infromative summary... just missing some DLAA/NAtive AA + FG, and some RT path etc. but very nice the real 4060 ti 12GB vs the fastest RX 7750XT vs the RX "I'm not exactly a RX 7800XT neither a 7900Xt, maybe an RX 7900, not sure why I'm competing with 4070/4080/4060ti called chip". But you showed they have actual value on them, no doubt. And price is definitely lower than other RX 7000 and RTX 40 products, ratios? Not today... and stock perf/W vs optimal perf/W is even longer to answer... 4K capable all of them, crazy capable at 1440p with over native image quality at your finger tips...not for all budgets still...
The 4070-S had a great argument prior to the 7900 GRE being unlocked. But after the latest update, the GRE is the optimal choice hands down. The numbers and prices speak for themselves.
Don't buy the 7800xt because for $50 more the 7900gre is way better. Don't buy the 4070s because even tho it has better RT and Nvidia nvenc, it is still $50 more expensive and slower in raster. Conclusion buy only the 7900gre
I just got the RX 7900 GRE Pure OC and I'm so happy with it. With the new driver and the potential to overclock the memory it's such a beast of a card for the price. And my daughters are happy they got dad's old RTX 2070 super.
what settings are you using on your gre? i have the same exact card. i went by his overclocking video for the GRE. im not sure if this video was before or after the last video. thanks
Ifyou care about power consumption, get Nvidia. You can just draw the slider on MSI Afterburner to 50%, and you'll still get like 80% of the performance. Whereas with AMD you'll spend far more time tweaking it and get inferior results. 7900GRE is already VERY power restricted by default. It has similar amount of hardware to RTX4080 (but worse memory).
With my RX 7900 GRE from Adrenaline I lowered the voltage from 1050 to 1010 Mv, I OCed the memory at 2500 Mhz and OC the GPU at 2780 Mhz and it doesn't go over 255 W. With Adrenaline you can do wonders. Greater performance, lower consumption.
Hello could you do a video with the gre power limited to the same level as the 4070s? I'm curious what the fps will look like with same wattage. Electricity is absurd in many places so I'm just curious
@@ignTambirHasan it shouldnt change much, agressive undervolting on rdna 3 can halve power consumptipn while only reducing performance by 15 / 25 per cent!
reducing performance by "only" 15-25% 🤣🤣🤣🤣 u dunno how to undervolt, do you? or are the rdna 3 that bad. 4070 super draws 160-170w undervolted, while not losing any performance(u can even gain slight OC with that undervolt, depending on the silicon)
@@gooddrugs649 power consumption isnt linear. Check how laptop gpus perform compared to their desktop variants ( and I mean dedicated gpus not integrated ones ) while consuming a fraction of the energy.
@@manueldelbusto725 they perform well, but the performance loss is pretty noticeable vs dGPU's, a loss of 25% is big enough that by that point just buy the gpu below it and save the hassle of undervolting and powerlimiting.
I sold my gigabyte rtx 3070 aorus master for 350$ and bought myself a brand new gigabyte rx 7800xt for 620$. Not too bad, considering the rx 7700xt price (550$). Also I didn't go with 7900GRE because from what I've seen their lowest price is about 840$, definitely not worth the extra money. I'm more than happy with rx 7800xt's performance, it runs practically every game I have on ultra settings at 1440p (some may need FSR, like AW2, but it's an exception). My settings are: -10 on the Power limit (the card always stays at 260W), 1070mv on the core, 2514mhz with fast timings on the VRAM (I see solid 2501mhz in msi afterburner), core frequencies are 2600/2700mhz (min/max). Works like a charm, max temps are 63 degrees on the core, hot spot 86, memory junction at about 80 degrees.
Disable zero tpm and do fan speed curve 40 degreest 40 fan speed @50 degrees 65 fan speed 60 i do 70fan speed 75 fan speed 80 I run in all games i play 40-50 gpu temp in games
@@Biggie971yeah, that's why I left my fan curve on default. I can live with 63 degrees on the core, and having a quiet card is much more important for me.
Man, if the 4070 Super was $500-$550, it would be the defacto best buy of this generation. It's actually "super" impressive the performance it has with such a cut down die/bus width and much lower power consumption.
Me too I can’t decide I got the 7700x already for the build and my son will be playing Fortnite on it and I’ll play some Minecraft and GTA. Not sure which one would be better.
@@B_Machine I went with the 7900gre. I got an asrock steel legend 670e and a matching steel legend 7900gre. Its perfect. Crazy fps. I haven’t even tried Minecraft shaders yet but I’m sure it’ll do well.
Great video. I'm still tinkering on my 7900 GRE. Pretty happy with where I have it now, nice and stable, but I might try some of the setting you got to work.
Nah you can just name it "rx7900", no need for "gre" but because they released this card to china so they have to do that, if not rx7900 is quite simple.
man the 4070 Super is an awesome card. Just got one for 450 USD, and man. worth every dollar. Gotta jump on deals when you see them. (btw followed your channel when i had my AMD cards, and i recommend your channel to all my friends who have AMD GPUs. Keep up the great work)
nah, it an asus dual, but what's wrong with gigabyte cards? i've had them in the past and never had issues with them, along with their motherboards.@@ofon2000
I've been expecting this!. Man, you're awesome. All the other channel make reviews with this cards but with monters like the 7800 X3D or de 14900k. You're the only one that make videos with a high end cpu, but, you know, not "that" high end, I'm sure you get it. And you're the only one that includes SAM and Overclocked results. Truly a premium youtube channel!!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Got my 7800xt on sale for $519 plus i had $100 in gift cards from Xmas. I didnt want to replace my 750W PSU for the GRE. I replaced my 5700xt but kept it to build my daughter a gaming PC around that card. Even though I'm perfectly satisfied with the 7800xt when i see my 5700xt sitting in its box...i feel sad. That card was (is) GREAT. It aged so well. Great content btw...
I don't think you'd of needed to upgrade your PSU for a 7900 GRE, even with an OC the card doesnt exceed a 7900XT's power draw (which recommends a 750W)
perfect timing brother, I've watched your channel since you did ryzen 5 2600 and 480 8gb benchmarks. And now you come with my next upgrade. my love for you is great, keep up the good work!
It's always great to watch your comparison videos! I myself will be going with the RX 7800 XT since it fulfills my needs for the foreseeable future and I wouldn't like to stretch my budget even more than I already did (I was debating between the RX 7700 XT at $399 or the RX 7800 XT at $499 before).
I'm fine with my ASUS TUF RX 7800 XT performance for the 1440p/1080p games that I play. I think a lot of people just get lost in the benchmarking e-sport side of things & lose perspective regarding exactly how much GPU you actually need at any given resolution for a quality gaming experience.
I got that exact same card, just put this tune for Better performance: Base clock - Min 500Mhz/Max 2980Mhz Vram Clock - 2614Mhz Voltage - 1080mv Power limit - 15% Fan Speed - 70% or 80% Thank me later.
All you have to do is overclock it if you need any extra performance and you have the same fps as a stock 4070 super that costs like a lot more in my country. I don't think you need to even overclock it in most situations
I got a new 7800 XT hellhound model for £460! Was looking for the equivalent 7900 gre but it was nearly £100 more expensive. Very happy with this card, runs a lot better and 40°C cooler than my previous gtx 1080.
My conclusion: I don't really care about RT but more about raw power and future proof gaming. I just got the Sappire RX 7900 GRE Pure and with the latest driver which let you overclock the memory, this card is a beast for it's price. Got my clockspeed @ 2.780 and memory @ 2585. It's been a long long time since I had an AMD gpu but I don't regret buying this beast of a card. Yeah sure the Nvidia cards have better RT but in my case only in Cyberpunk. Apart from that this card rocks all my games like a wild animal. Dunno about others who own this card but I dare to say this is by far the best buy for 550 euro's. You can't go wrong with this card for the price imo. Overclock this beast and witness it's raw power!!!
Your channel has exactly the type of comparisons I was looking for. Thank you so much. I recently purchased a discounted open-box 4070 S (plus the free Wukong game promotion) because I really enjoy RT and I am going to be doing a lot of gaming in the next few months (sold my 2080 Ti to a friend). However, I also plan on upgrading again as soon as the 5080 is available. If I was planning on keeping my upgrade for longer than 5-6 months I would have gone with the 7900 GRE for sure. This 12 GB on the 4070 -4070 S is some next level bs, but since I found my 4070 S discounted and it included a free game I just went for it. Although, I'm getting tempted to return it and buy the 7900XT for $650 instead...
Its kinda funny seeing the GRE being talkd about again. When it came out all I would see was "weird chinese card" lol. Nice to see more options now, might help pricing, hopefully.
Gracias por esta comparación, me encantan tus videos, así como la energía y la alegría que siempre contagias con tu buen humor. Saludos desde México 🇲🇽
awesome video thanks for all the hard work you do testing this stuff for us. would also love to see a video about overclocking the 4070 super like you did with the 4060.
Thanks! I bougth a 7900 GRE Pulse after watch your videos. Especially MSFS 2020 benchmarks helps a lot when make this decision. I needed a graphic card 4K sim gaming and this one get job done perfectly with 7800x3d.
I think you can see how the 12GB is going to start being a problem in 4K, RT High, FG On. That's really something to consider over the next year or so.
Great video, as always. I wonder how much bigger can get those differences at 1080 and 1440 if you used the 7800x3d... BTW, why are you still on the 7700x?
Thanks for including the Ray Tracing comparison. I'm aware of the performance drop for Ray Tracing but I'm simply not going to do research and price compare on video cards if I was planning on playing without Ray Tracing. It's been years, we're past the point of considering Ray Tracing a gimmick. I'm planning on buying a new handheld PC with Oculink and buying one of these AMD cards to use with an external dock. The Phax uses an RTX 4090 connected over oculink but I can't afford to buy another 4090, that would be financially irresponsible. I sold one of my PC's recently a 3080 equipped PC and I want a portable replacement.
Honestly been thinking of a GPU upgrade the 4070s class, Was leaning over torwards nvidia but if the new Fsr3.1 coming is any good might just go for that
The 7800GRE seems to be a fantastic card. Here in Australia the cheapest 4070 Super I can find is about $980, while the 7900GRE is about $870. Seems like a no brainer, unless you really need Nvidia's features.
I like how you Put Those Vram Frequencies Note, it gave us Heads Up what Problem Could happend when we increase the frequencies without Increase the core voltage limit.... Safe lot of trouble Thankyou My Brother
Awesome video man, had gotten my 4070 super a bit ago from a 7600 (I upgraded to 1440p) and I love it! 12GBs feels like it'll be just fine until the next generation of consoles come and see how it handles there. Best advice from the video is that your budget is king when it comes to buying these cards, all are amazing for the price and all have their strengths/weaknesses. Keep up the great content man
I like your speakers in the background! I have some amazing speakers now, cheap for what they are but what they are is some pretty big speakers... Yamaha NS-777 tower speakers. I didn't like them on their own though so put my bookshelf speakers and a subwoofer with it.
Thanks for this video! I have same gpu 7900 gre nitro. During the video you mentioned that it is possible to install a vbios from different model. Do you have any tutorial link regarding bios flash for 7000 series card?
@@AncientGameplays I just noticed that Sapphire has 2 SKU numbers for the nitro+ 11325-02 and 11325-05 do you know the differences? I have the 11325-02 and I'm wondering why they released 2 different SKUs
Of course something better comes out after a month later when I bought my 7800XT. And the worst part is my Hellhound 7800XT is priced the same as an XFX 7900 GRE in my country.
@@AncientGameplays Thank you for the reply. I needed the reassurance. A question: How do the Sapphire 7900GRE variants compare to the Hellhound 7800XT?
Great video, as always! Just upgraded my GPU with the 7900 GRE but I feel my B450 AM4 board along with my Ryzen 5 5600x (and DDR4 ram) might be holding it back. Do you think it's worth upgrading to a B7800X3D/B650/6000 CL30 trio? Thanks a lot!
what ppl also shouldnt forget - Daniel Owen does a good job at explaining that in his benchmarks, is that we also have to compare real world usage. That means that if you play at 1440p ultra settings, especially with RT (if it looks good in that game), and really especially when playing at 4k max settings. even if you play without RT at 1440p or 4k, it will happen that you are below 60 FPS, often times a lot below that, or you are someone who just wants a higher FPS experience, in those cases you will use upscaling. And at that point, i know for a fact that i personally would ALWAYS be mad that i haver to use the inferior (sometimes really heavily inferior) upscaling method that AMD users have to use. On Nvidia i can literally choose the best method, which is DLSS in 99% of cases, but if FSR looks better in a game for some reason, i can use FSR instead of DLSS. I dont have that freedom with an AMD GPU. i would guess most Nvidia users activate DLSS when its available, surely if they play at 1440p and especially at 4k. This is such a big factor to me that i just wont buy an AMD GPU, until i dont miss out on the DLSS quality one bit. i also want to play with RT if i pay $600+ for a 2024 GPU, i want to use Ray Reconstruction, i want to use the best available FG technology in specific games and i dont want to "save" money to pay that "saved" money in extra electricity cots over the next few years due to often times 50%+ higher power usage of AMD GPUs (in the summer i will be especially happy to not have a furnace in my PC). if we talk CPUs, now, thats a completely different beast. i absolutely love what AMD does in terms of CPUs, and every gamer who builds a new PC with cards in the $600+ price range but then doesnt buy a x3D CPU, is making a mistake imo. i understand temporarily buying a 7600 bc of money constraints, with the goal to upgrade to a 7800x3D or 8800x3D eventually. For gamers there is virtually zero reason to not go with an AMD CPU. in terms of GPUs tho, i know that i wouldnt be happy with an AMD GPU bc i would always think to myself, that i should have paid those $100, $200 or whatever more to buy a green one. most ppl have a GPU for a few years, the extra cost is paid once and then you have the GPU. Whats also playing a role, what nobody is saying in their videos, is that the resell value of Nvidia GPUs is like WAY higher than AMD GPUs, you find buyer way easier, way less hassle. But thats just my opinion. at the end everyone should buy what makes them happy. i dont support Nvidias price structure, but imo they just make the best GPUs, thats why they can charge more.
@@AncientGameplays awesome, still watching the video. also my statement was more in general bc i see ppl (as in viewers, commenters online) forgetting that part all the time. you talk about upscaling often, thats great! what i also noticed in benchmarks from various ppl, in various games, is that usually i see Nvidia having a lot less discrepancy between average FPS and 1%/0.1% lows aka having more consistent frametimes and therefor a more consistent experience. except in games like COD Modern Warfare i.e., where AMD completely destroys Nvidia for some reason. (i guess explanation probably lies in the engine there)
I wouldn't, you'll likely take a loss selling the 7800xt then spend an extra like 10% for the gre. To me, it's not worth the 10-12% performance gain. I have a 7800xt and I'm happy with it, but if I wasn't content, I'd maybe think about going for atleast a non gre 7900xt. Which if I recall, was around 20% increase from the 7800xt. More money, but I feel like 20% would be much more noticeable difference. Just my opinion though. Though if I was in the market now, without my existing 7800xt, I'd go with the gre. Just wouldn't personally go through the trouble to upgrade to something so close in performance.
what is the better choice regarding the GPU's idle consumption if the PC runs a lot each day only for office work or netflix, youtube etc...? (1440p / wqhd) thx :)
2 fans are enough for a 180watts (gaming) RTX 4070 S. Considering that, you can get one in Europe for 599€ incl. 19% tax. I really like the 7900GRE and i think its the better choice compared to the 7800xt
I did buy a XFX 319 7800XT and do like it i have not used anything close to 16 GB of VRAM yet but i am surprised to see how cool it stay's never gets above 63c and stay's around 58 to 60 c it also overclocks nice i got it about 2680 mhz at 1050Mv's and stable playing the last of us for 4 hours no crashes i am impressed i paid 501.99 plus tax but well worth it i have another computer with a 4070 ti in it and the other has a 6600XT in it by the way i am impressed with FSR 3 turned my RX 6600 into a 1440p gaming computer nice drivers also like the AMD 24.1.3 driver very nice and stable.
I have the same 7800xt. I set the core to 3000 and VRAM to 2560. It's been running stable at 970mV, with actual core freq topping out around 2700 on the +15% power limit. One thing I don't like about Adrenaline is it focuses on package temps, not hot spot. My package temps runs about the same as yours, but the hot spot is high 70's to low 80's at my settings (though not high enough to thermal throttle).
The power consumption sold me on the 4070 super . Even though the card is $50 more I’d actually save money in my case cause I can keep my current PSU power box instead of having to upgrade and spend almost $100 plus tax along with the gpu lol
🔥🔥🔥🔥Great content as usual, I was wondering if you would be interested in investigating Sam/resizable bar , cause I cannot get it to work properly as in it is on but poor performance massive fps dips and stuttering iv been trying to solve this for some time and so have a few other lads I know , but no matter bios / settings / file configs and hardware changes just carnt get it running smoothly “as it should” with all different PCs and configurations on WARZONE , it would seem it’s a big issue no one can solve … and you would be a legend if you could solve it … or look into it 👍
Whenever I see one GPU winning in 1 game and the other GPU in other games, I think is a tie lmao in raster. It will come down to whats the price and if you care about DLSS and Ray Tracing.
i wanted a nvidia card but i just couldnt afford it this round. i have settled and was going for the 7900 gre but i found a 7800xt for 429.99 so i bought it. you think the 120 dollar savings was worth it?
Wow, not often I'm this early. I'm predicting the 7800XT falls behind both. The 7900GRE wins in raster and the 4070 super wins in ray tracing. TBH this is my dilemma atm. I want to upgrade, and the GRE and the 4070 super are in my crosshairs. But I'm thinking the only game I play i'd prefer the super over the GRE is cyberpunk. But man it would look GOOD haha. But then DLSS is still better than FSR 3. It's an interesting comparison. I don't have time to watch just now, but I'm going to when I get home. Just wanted to chuck my predictions in =) Thank you for comparing cards like this, Fabio. I wonder if this will actually make my mind up for me.
It’s spot on 7800XT and 7900GRE are close ( assuming you’re gonna play 1440p and 4k mostly ) with the GRE being slightly better , 4070 S is much better in RT and falls almost on par with 7800XT in raw raster , slightly faster on some titles TLDR - 4070S for RT & VR and 7800XT or 7900GRE for raw raster performance and future proofing ( more VRAM ) , choose the card based on local pricing - pick GRE if it’s less than 10% more expensive than the XT vice versa
Go with the gre. More vram. You will need it. I have a 4070 super but its already maxed out in 1440p… also fsr not that bad as ppl says and will get better. Dlss is not really improving only got the framegen what amd have now as well.
Been enjoying my 7900 xt. So far, I've yet to experience any insane game breaking driver issues. First real AMD card for me. Only problem, is within the adrenalin software. It was a fresh, clean windows install, with auto install off. Installed fresh drivers everything is good. BUT. Some options in the menus do nothing. Like if i enable Vsync always on globally, a game will still tear like crazy and be at over 150+fps lol. Aside from that, it's been a very nice experience. 1% lows are better than my friends 3090 ti :) it's a monster in forbidden west.
Finally! Was waiting for this from you. I've been seeing so many people saying they could reach 2500mhz at insane undervolts of 950mv. However, I know for a fact that they're OC's are not stable. I might've missed it but don't think you mentioned anything about what you set the core to?
Fabio, would it not be an idea to run all your tests you do with your cards not only at stock speeds, but stock with ReBAR enabled? Your tests are almost always stock, OC and OC+ ReBAR. I can say 95% of people if not more will use stock + ReBAR as most motherboards (new ones) have it enabled by default the ReBAR function. I ask this because in a lot of test you do it looks like Nvidia is performing a lot better on the stock settings compared to AMD in most the tittles you have. So i am wondering how the gap would close of still be as big if it is stock with ReBAR on. That would be really helpful in your benchmarks i believe!
@@AncientGameplays That is great! I like to see ofc the overclock results as you already have, but seeing everything at stock with ReBAR on would be a nice bonus. Eventhough i also did test my GPU's to about the limit except more Vcore wich i don't do i always leave it at stock after because a fast GPU like my 4080 Super does not need an overclock although very capable of it!
I’m pairing the 7900 GRE with a Ryzen 7 5700X3D. Should I use one of the presets available in Radeon Adrenaline? Should leave it on default, or should I press on Undervolt GPU, Overclock GPU or Overclock VRAM?
Plox RX 7700 XT VS RTX 4060Ti on new drivers. Actually, I've been sitting on a Sapphire 7700 XT Pure for a month now. I just wanted to make sure once again that this masterpiece is superior to the pathetic leather jacket product :)
My brother in Portugalian Christ, where do you take all these things from? Memes? What groups/sites? MAN WHO MADE THE MUSIC?!! Did you make the retrofuturistic music yourself????
@@AncientGameplays Anyway you do really deserve praise and appreciation because you are just a good content creator and increase the quality of this platform. Keep up the good work. If you could make suggestion whether I should make an upgrade on my pc with i3 12100f on a cheap gigabyte h610m mobo, 16 gb ram, aasrock rx 6600 challenger and case and psu MSI Forge Mag (600W the included psu with the case) with a rx 7800xt or rtx 4070 super for the eyecandy path tracing (if you think it looks good) or whether should I buy a PS5 PRO which costs as an entire system the same as a gpu on which power its equivalent, 45% better raster and 3 times better RT than PS5, and PSSR which is like DLSS. (just do not be one of those trolls that compare ps5 pro with a SH build I would Love to hear from you, I m a big fan of your, my friend. See you in heaven.
Hello! I have an RX 7900 GRE and I have a very bizarre issue. I was able to achieve a stable memory OC IN GAMES of 2488MHz. But as soon as I exit any of my games, or the GPU is not at 100% load, my system crashes and ERROR 41 shows up in eventlog. Has anyone ever seen anything like this, or is it just me? This issue is only present when I'm overclocking the VRAM. If I set it to the pervious limit of 2316MHz, it is always stable.
Hi same here, I can use 2450MHz or even more and in game I have no issue, but I noticed, during game start or exit, some reboot freeze (2 times in 4 days). I just lowered memory at stock to be sure the GPU is ok and for now no issue. I guess memory oc until 2350MHz is fine for pretty much everyone after that level you can have stability issues.
Same. Games are fine, as soon as I try Lightroom or Photoshop (I'm a photographer) I get a crash. Think I might just go back to stock where it was completely stable for games AND Photoshop.
Keep in mind 100-150MHz more on VRAM can give you ~2-3% more real performance so it doesn't make any sense to push the limit near the instability threshold. I scored 24800 in time spy with my 7900gre nitro but with a stable oc I can get ~24000 Tldr: for only 3% more possible performance I prefer stability
Hi mate, I just bought a Sapphire Nitro+ 7800XT and just saw the Sapphire Nitro+ 7900GRE is avaliable to preorder for £60 more, do you think its worth the value to future proof my system? I don't think the 7900GRE would last another year compared to the 7800XT. Should I just sell the 7800 when the next few generations of GPUs come about? Thank you 👍
Hey think you can make a video about the benefits of each driver and manager? Im talking about Adrenalin vs Nvidia Geforce (not sure what they use anymore tbh) and compare what they both have and what each one has that the other does not. Im planning ob buying either a Zotac RTX4060 or Asus RX7600, and since they seem to perform similarly i want to see if one has better options in the driver manager section. (Price difference is like 10 dollars or so)
I know this might be out of the question but do you think the amd cards have at least decent performance on machine learning software? I have the 7900xtx like amd advertised it would be the card for ai workload and gaming. But other parts still haven't arrived. What do you think?
lol you got scammed by AMD then, literally no support for Pytorch on Radeon gpus yet in Windows so idk why you even think about machine learning using Radeon gpus
could you please do a in depth video of ryzen 7 cpu overclocking? im very interested in a static clock speed like you have on your 7700x. i have the feeling that my clock speeds are all over the place while gaming and it can effect the fps quite a bit.
By your numbers on average: The 4070S is 3-6% faster than the 7800XT while costing 20% more. Granted, this varies per game and personal preferences, but that should tell people something about the poor pricing these products have. The 4070S should cost at least $50 less and with that will become the best bang-per-buck card. On contrast the 7900GRE is around 10-12% faster than the 7800XT which goes at least on par with the 10% price increase.
50$ more is appropriate. it is superior in productivity, uses far less power, superior ray tracing, and isn't reliant on an OC. I love my AMD card, I myself have a 7900 xt :) overclocked to heaven and back. 2950mhz core, 2750 memory, 1055 mv. however, allot of 7900 gres have been reported not being able to barely go above 100 mhz more on the memory. Never buy a card based on Overclocking performance. The real problem is the 12gb of Vram on the 4070 super. If you don't mind turning down 1 thing once in a while to reduce that usage in a game here or there, then you'll be in a better place overall. But the 7900 gre is still a good deal.
I'm really surprised how many people think that VRAM OC is a decision factor for buying. You have 5% variance on the clock between better and worse silicon this is 3% performance difference. Any 7900gre can overclock and achieve a boost between 10% and 13%. After overclocking the 7900xt is still 7% faster which is a small margin. What is important to consider is the power limit the 7900gre has 16 / 17% lower PL compared to 7900xt this unfortunately translates in roughly the same percentage gain. If you plan to buy a GPU with better performance it is way more convenient to buy Nvidia.
so you'd rather give up on these things only cause it is 50$ more? extremely superior productivity, AI capabilities, superior RT performance, DLSS 3/ 3.5, superior Encoder, better watt usage, superior Low Latency Mode, Hardware Accelerated GPU scheduling which is available only to Nvidia.
11:52 your pronounciation is extremely good, im a french guy who's watching you (and helped me alot to fix my 6900xt 1year ago) and have to say that your pronounciation of this words is really good !
Hi i can I have two choices i can build a pc with 12400F + 7700XT or 7600X + 6750XT For the same price so which one i should prefer GPU or CPU I will be using for gaming and live streaming mainly and some lil bit mining
I can't choose between these cards. My son often plays and streams youtube with an old laptop. I'm thinking about a 7500f or 7600x cpu. But I don't know which card is more suitable for streaming. He still plays Fortnite, roblox, rust, minecraft, Team Fortress 2. With the new computer, he plans to add to his gameplay and streaming CS and GTA. Would a 7800xt be enough or is it better to add about 100€ and buy a 4070 super for about 610€? Maybe someone can advise from experience? A big thank you!!!
the 7800XT would be more than enough especially since he's using an old laptop. IF you don't know how to setup your PC to the minimum, then get the 4070 Super as NVIDIA cards are more "fool proof" than the AMD ones, but as stated the 4070 Super is faster and consumes less power AND you have more features
@@AncientGameplays Yes, you probably rigth. 7800xt will be enough, but +100€ for 4070s will be more cost efficient for long term run on electricity bills 🙂. Thankyou 🫡
Hey folks. How is it? Please, some experienced 27" monitor owners, I am reaching out to you: is 4k a real deal visual fidelity wise for this width? I am planning to sell my laptop and build a PC with next gen CPU GPU hitting the market. And I am sort of ok on money, but I hate the feeling of being ripped off for nothing. So I am really looking towards 1440p mini led monitor. Again: which is the real deal for 27" 1440p or 4k? Thanks
I agree with you that it's hard to pick between this two cards as they both have strong sides. I picked 7900GRE in reference edition over 4070 super because of 3 reasons : -big difference in price [ about 100usd ] -drivers quality and integration for linux is waay better on amd -I don't really wanted that new 12Vhpwr conector Only time will tell if i choosen correctly , last time i went with amd and RX470 i was very satisfied .
Hi Fabio! Off topic! My 7900XT I went through two RMAs the first last for a year and the second only lasted a month. Should I get a refund and get a NVIDIA GPU not blaming AMD but its too coincidental. I.can share with you in private about the RMA issue and what the issue is. I can't stop watching your videos!
@@AncientGameplays I bought 2 New 1000 watt from Corsair HX1000i. One got RMA'd because the fan in the PSU started vibrating the second works fine. I plugged in a GTX1070 and works fine. I love AMD the colors pop and there's is more sharpness than NVIDIA and I have the 7900XT Nitro + beautiful GPU. I got a second Motherboard too. New ram too and CPU. Issue persisted. Weird right. I'll keep you posted once I get a 3RD GPU from RMA.
Let me know what you think about these 3 GPUs and their Price/performance ratios!
Sorry not to tell about price/perfromance ratios to keep it short, but thank you for your work and not making it 5 hours long video. Thank your for the mixed resolutions and setting allowing us to compare and decide what resolution to use them the 15:04 to 20:34 part is very good infromative summary... just missing some DLAA/NAtive AA + FG, and some RT path etc. but very nice the real 4060 ti 12GB vs the fastest RX 7750XT vs the RX "I'm not exactly a RX 7800XT neither a 7900Xt, maybe an RX 7900, not sure why I'm competing with 4070/4080/4060ti called chip". But you showed they have actual value on them, no doubt. And price is definitely lower than other RX 7000 and RTX 40 products, ratios? Not today... and stock perf/W vs optimal perf/W is even longer to answer... 4K capable all of them, crazy capable at 1440p with over native image quality at your finger tips...not for all budgets still...
The 4070-S had a great argument prior to the 7900 GRE being unlocked. But after the latest update, the GRE is the optimal choice hands down. The numbers and prices speak for themselves.
is the 7900 gre good for content creation?
7900GRE is power limited by a lot
Don't buy the 7800xt because for $50 more the 7900gre is way better.
Don't buy the 4070s because even tho it has better RT and Nvidia nvenc, it is still $50 more expensive and slower in raster.
Conclusion buy only the 7900gre
I just got the RX 7900 GRE Pure OC and I'm so happy with it. With the new driver and the potential to overclock the memory it's such a beast of a card for the price. And my daughters are happy they got dad's old RTX 2070 super.
what settings are you using on your gre? i have the same exact card. i went by his overclocking video for the GRE. im not sure if this video was before or after the last video. thanks
That all works really well. Your story makes me think I should keep my 4070S for my son and get a 7900XTX for myself.
Ifyou care about power consumption, get Nvidia. You can just draw the slider on MSI Afterburner to 50%, and you'll still get like 80% of the performance. Whereas with AMD you'll spend far more time tweaking it and get inferior results. 7900GRE is already VERY power restricted by default. It has similar amount of hardware to RTX4080 (but worse memory).
@@todorsamardzhiev144power consumption is not that important in modern day for available cards. It’s not like they’re drawing 1k+ watts
With my RX 7900 GRE from Adrenaline I lowered the voltage from 1050 to 1010 Mv, I OCed the memory at 2500 Mhz and OC the GPU at 2780 Mhz and it doesn't go over 255 W. With Adrenaline you can do wonders. Greater performance, lower consumption.
So glad i bought the GRE, even better they unlocked the OC potential
Hello could you do a video with the gre power limited to the same level as the 4070s? I'm curious what the fps will look like with same wattage. Electricity is absurd in many places so I'm just curious
@@ignTambirHasan it shouldnt change much, agressive undervolting on rdna 3 can halve power consumptipn while only reducing performance by 15 / 25 per cent!
reducing performance by "only" 15-25% 🤣🤣🤣🤣 u dunno how to undervolt, do you? or are the rdna 3 that bad.
4070 super draws 160-170w undervolted, while not losing any performance(u can even gain slight OC with that undervolt, depending on the silicon)
@@gooddrugs649 power consumption isnt linear. Check how laptop gpus perform compared to their desktop variants ( and I mean dedicated gpus not integrated ones ) while consuming a fraction of the energy.
@@manueldelbusto725 they perform well, but the performance loss is pretty noticeable vs dGPU's, a loss of 25% is big enough that by that point just buy the gpu below it and save the hassle of undervolting and powerlimiting.
so glad you do european prices comparison too, not all live in usa as internet pretends... prices are very very diferent and our taxes are included
ah poor baby did they give usa prices ahh
@@420247paul oh poor baby why are you scared of metric system?
I sold my gigabyte rtx 3070 aorus master for 350$ and bought myself a brand new gigabyte rx 7800xt for 620$. Not too bad, considering the rx 7700xt price (550$). Also I didn't go with 7900GRE because from what I've seen their lowest price is about 840$, definitely not worth the extra money. I'm more than happy with rx 7800xt's performance, it runs practically every game I have on ultra settings at 1440p (some may need FSR, like AW2, but it's an exception). My settings are: -10 on the Power limit (the card always stays at 260W), 1070mv on the core, 2514mhz with fast timings on the VRAM (I see solid 2501mhz in msi afterburner), core frequencies are 2600/2700mhz (min/max). Works like a charm, max temps are 63 degrees on the core, hot spot 86, memory junction at about 80 degrees.
Disable zero tpm and do fan speed curve 40 degreest 40 fan speed @50 degrees 65 fan speed
60 i do 70fan speed
75 fan speed 80
I run in all games i play 40-50 gpu temp in games
its only 50$ difference here
@@sinanakar5170your temps are low but the noise must be high
@@Biggie971yeah, that's why I left my fan curve on default. I can live with 63 degrees on the core, and having a quiet card is much more important for me.
thats a big gap between 7800xt and GRE, here in my country almost the same price, only 10-25 $ diffrent
Man, if the 4070 Super was $500-$550, it would be the defacto best buy of this generation. It's actually "super" impressive the performance it has with such a cut down die/bus width and much lower power consumption.
it's the only 'great' gpu this gen
maybe at 500 but at 550 not really
Just work Bro @@FabricateFrog
its above $700 where i live :/
if only it had 16gb of vram, it wouldve been a STEAL for me.
literally the perfect video for me as I'm choosing between these 3 for my next upgrade, thanks!!
good :D
@maihess 7900 gre
Me too I can’t decide I got the 7700x already for the build and my son will be playing Fortnite on it and I’ll play some Minecraft and GTA. Not sure which one would be better.
@@joshuacollins789 What did you get?
@@B_Machine I went with the 7900gre. I got an asrock steel legend 670e and a matching steel legend 7900gre. Its perfect. Crazy fps. I haven’t even tried Minecraft shaders yet but I’m sure it’ll do well.
Great video. I'm still tinkering on my 7900 GRE. Pretty happy with where I have it now, nice and stable, but I might try some of the setting you got to work.
what settings are you using? mine arrives saturday.
Id take the GRE over Nvidia every day and twice on Tuesday.
lol haha, understandable
the other one usually dressed 'well' too though on daily outfit, its just her concept on screen
What’s so special about Tuesday?
The RX7900GRE is really a RX7800XTX
Or RX 7850 XT
Nah you can just name it "rx7900", no need for "gre" but because they released this card to china so they have to do that, if not rx7900 is quite simple.
@@igm1571 Agreed
man the 4070 Super is an awesome card. Just got one for 450 USD, and man. worth every dollar. Gotta jump on deals when you see them. (btw followed your channel when i had my AMD cards, and i recommend your channel to all my friends who have AMD GPUs. Keep up the great work)
Thanks, you can keep following haha
Did I sell you my card? I just sold one for 450 lol.
@@MastaDivinityit's a small world
what brand was it? Gigabyte from Best Buy? Ewww if so.
nah, it an asus dual, but what's wrong with gigabyte cards? i've had them in the past and never had issues with them, along with their motherboards.@@ofon2000
I've been expecting this!.
Man, you're awesome.
All the other channel make reviews with this cards but with monters like the 7800 X3D or de 14900k.
You're the only one that make videos with a high end cpu, but, you know, not "that" high end, I'm sure you get it.
And you're the only one that includes SAM and Overclocked results.
Truly a premium youtube channel!!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
7800X3D is quite "cheap" nowadays though haha
Can you explain what is SAM? Could not find it on gg
@@baoduy1994 Smart Access Memory,is basicaly Re-Bar,but when you use an AMD CPU + AMD GPU
Got my 7800xt on sale for $519 plus i had $100 in gift cards from Xmas. I didnt want to replace my 750W PSU for the GRE. I replaced my 5700xt but kept it to build my daughter a gaming PC around that card. Even though I'm perfectly satisfied with the 7800xt when i see my 5700xt sitting in its box...i feel sad. That card was (is) GREAT. It aged so well.
Great content btw...
I got mine for 460 at micro center open box
I don't think you'd of needed to upgrade your PSU for a 7900 GRE, even with an OC the card doesnt exceed a 7900XT's power draw (which recommends a 750W)
perfect timing brother, I've watched your channel since you did ryzen 5 2600 and 480 8gb benchmarks. And now you come with my next upgrade. my love for you is great, keep up the good work!
Thank you for always following!
It's always great to watch your comparison videos!
I myself will be going with the RX 7800 XT since it fulfills my needs for the foreseeable future and I wouldn't like to stretch my budget even more than I already did (I was debating between the RX 7700 XT at $399 or the RX 7800 XT at $499 before).
Thanks, good pick
Please right down the best 7900GRE overclock settings ;)
I'm fine with my ASUS TUF RX 7800 XT performance for the 1440p/1080p games that I play. I think a lot of people just get lost in the benchmarking e-sport side of things & lose perspective regarding exactly how much GPU you actually need at any given resolution for a quality gaming experience.
nobody benchmarks e-sports with top tier cards (apart from CPU comparisons), not in this scenario
I got that exact same card, just put this tune for Better performance:
Base clock - Min 500Mhz/Max 2980Mhz
Vram Clock - 2614Mhz
Voltage - 1080mv
Power limit - 15%
Fan Speed - 70% or 80%
Thank me later.
7900gre oc + sam is better than any 7800xt
@@adlibconstitution1609 we know that, didn't you watch the video?
All you have to do is overclock it if you need any extra performance and you have the same fps as a stock 4070 super that costs like a lot more in my country. I don't think you need to even overclock it in most situations
7800xt gang rise up
We out here 🎉
Should have gotten a GRE lol😂
@@allenpaul102 if only I could time travel and see the future then yes, I would’ve
I returned my 7800xt yesterday for a 7900 gre
I got a new 7800 XT hellhound model for £460! Was looking for the equivalent 7900 gre but it was nearly £100 more expensive. Very happy with this card, runs a lot better and 40°C cooler than my previous gtx 1080.
Great comparison. Thank you very much! Covered all the bases.
Thank you as well!
My conclusion: I don't really care about RT but more about raw power and future proof gaming. I just got the Sappire RX 7900 GRE Pure and with the latest driver which let you overclock the memory, this card is a beast for it's price. Got my clockspeed @ 2.780 and memory @ 2585. It's been a long long time since I had an AMD gpu but I don't regret buying this beast of a card. Yeah sure the Nvidia cards have better RT but in my case only in Cyberpunk. Apart from that this card rocks all my games like a wild animal. Dunno about others who own this card but I dare to say this is by far the best buy for 550 euro's. You can't go wrong with this card for the price imo. Overclock this beast and witness it's raw power!!!
Agreed
As the pricing stands today in the UK, the value buy is the 7800XT. The 7900 GRE is £70-100 more which is madness.
Your channel has exactly the type of comparisons I was looking for. Thank you so much.
I recently purchased a discounted open-box 4070 S (plus the free Wukong game promotion) because I really enjoy RT and I am going to be doing a lot of gaming in the next few months (sold my 2080 Ti to a friend). However, I also plan on upgrading again as soon as the 5080 is available. If I was planning on keeping my upgrade for longer than 5-6 months I would have gone with the 7900 GRE for sure. This 12 GB on the 4070 -4070 S is some next level bs, but since I found my 4070 S discounted and it included a free game I just went for it. Although, I'm getting tempted to return it and buy the 7900XT for $650 instead...
Great Video full of Great info, The GRE is hard to turn down at the price..
Its kinda funny seeing the GRE being talkd about again. When it came out all I would see was "weird chinese card" lol. Nice to see more options now, might help pricing, hopefully.
Gracias por esta comparación, me encantan tus videos, así como la energía y la alegría que siempre contagias con tu buen humor. Saludos desde México 🇲🇽
awesome video thanks for all the hard work you do testing this stuff for us. would also love to see a video about overclocking the 4070 super like you did with the 4060.
Those will come 💪
Excellent info, i ended up getting the 4070s.
i undervolted it down to 185w while also OCing it to +295 & +1450 mem.
Thanks! I bougth a 7900 GRE Pulse after watch your videos. Especially MSFS 2020 benchmarks helps a lot when make this decision. I needed a graphic card 4K sim gaming and this one get job done perfectly with 7800x3d.
Glad to help, thanks for the donation :D
thanks, been stuck on these 2 for ages u finally made me decidde to go with 4070S
Good choice for comparison, all 3 are currently nice value cards for 1440p.
I think you can see how the 12GB is going to start being a problem in 4K, RT High, FG On. That's really something to consider over the next year or so.
I dont regret getting the 7800xt, couldnt see the Future but i dont need the small upgrade 🤷🏻
thank you so much for your incredible work !!
Thank you for watching!
Just bought a GRE. 4070 super was about £100 more like for like so I'm happy to have chose it.
Great video, as always. I wonder how much bigger can get those differences at 1080 and 1440 if you used the 7800x3d... BTW, why are you still on the 7700x?
At 1440P? Basically zero as AMD cards have lower CPU overhead and my RAM is tweaked. At 1080P? A bit more
In 1440p nothing😅 in full hd is the 7800x3d the best you can do and give y idk like 10-20frames more
Thanks for the video! Just in time because i was really curious of what to recommend to my brother to buy!
Great 💪
Thanks for including the Ray Tracing comparison. I'm aware of the performance drop for Ray Tracing but I'm simply not going to do research and price compare on video cards if I was planning on playing without Ray Tracing. It's been years, we're past the point of considering Ray Tracing a gimmick. I'm planning on buying a new handheld PC with Oculink and buying one of these AMD cards to use with an external dock. The Phax uses an RTX 4090 connected over oculink but I can't afford to buy another 4090, that would be financially irresponsible. I sold one of my PC's recently a 3080 equipped PC and I want a portable replacement.
Honestly been thinking of a GPU upgrade the 4070s class, Was leaning over torwards nvidia but if the new Fsr3.1 coming is any good might just go for that
this exactly wat im shoppin for ty
How big of a difference does the extra power draw make, in terms of cost over time?
depends on how much you pay for electricity.
The 7800GRE seems to be a fantastic card. Here in Australia the cheapest 4070 Super I can find is about $980, while the 7900GRE is about $870. Seems like a no brainer, unless you really need Nvidia's features.
I also own a GRE and hand similar results regarding VRAM speed.
2460 fast timing is equal to 2600 standard timing in benchmarks
Thanks again for a detailed insightful video. Quick question, how can one determine with certainty that SAM is enabled in one's system?
It’s on one of the adrenaline tabs showing a brain icon and if it’s on or not
Its in the performance tab in adrenalin
@@YordanHristooov Thanks
@@AncientGameplays Thanks
I like how you Put Those Vram Frequencies Note, it gave us Heads Up what Problem Could happend when we increase the frequencies without Increase the core voltage limit.... Safe lot of trouble
Thankyou My Brother
Haha how much time do you have for games now man, you seem busy as hell 😁 thanks for all the video's mr. Pisco ;)
Time's short now haha, but I manage it
Awesome video man, had gotten my 4070 super a bit ago from a 7600 (I upgraded to 1440p) and I love it! 12GBs feels like it'll be just fine until the next generation of consoles come and see how it handles there. Best advice from the video is that your budget is king when it comes to buying these cards, all are amazing for the price and all have their strengths/weaknesses. Keep up the great content man
Well i have 7800 XT, happy atm.
What is the settings for your OC+SAM?
7800xt already has a video. 7900gre ans 4070 super will do as well
@@AncientGameplays heh? what?
oc is normal overclocking but SAM? Idk I nerver hear that
@@noname-vw1oi it’s amd’s smart access memory
I like your speakers in the background! I have some amazing speakers now, cheap for what they are but what they are is some pretty big speakers... Yamaha NS-777 tower speakers. I didn't like them on their own though so put my bookshelf speakers and a subwoofer with it.
These ones are from Akai, they're okayish, but with this amp they sound good
A lot of 7900gre are the same price or cheaper than the 7800xt
Depends on the country
@@AncientGameplays I meant in the uk
Thanks for this video! I have same gpu 7900 gre nitro. During the video you mentioned that it is possible to install a vbios from different model.
Do you have any tutorial link regarding bios flash for 7000 series card?
The nitro is the best gre model. I do not have any videos on that though
@@AncientGameplays I just noticed that Sapphire has 2 SKU numbers for the nitro+ 11325-02 and 11325-05 do you know the differences? I have the 11325-02 and I'm wondering why they released 2 different SKUs
I went with the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER. It's ridiculously awesome.
Of course something better comes out after a month later when I bought my 7800XT. And the worst part is my Hellhound 7800XT is priced the same as an XFX 7900 GRE in my country.
Xfx is not that great. Just keep an denjoy your card
@@AncientGameplays Thank you for the reply. I needed the reassurance. A question: How do the Sapphire 7900GRE variants compare to the Hellhound 7800XT?
Great video, as always!
Just upgraded my GPU with the 7900 GRE but I feel my B450 AM4 board along with my Ryzen 5 5600x (and DDR4 ram) might be holding it back. Do you think it's worth upgrading to a B7800X3D/B650/6000 CL30 trio?
Thanks a lot!
Worth? It is always worth if you have the money available
what ppl also shouldnt forget - Daniel Owen does a good job at explaining that in his benchmarks, is that we also have to compare real world usage. That means that if you play at 1440p ultra settings, especially with RT (if it looks good in that game), and really especially when playing at 4k max settings. even if you play without RT at 1440p or 4k, it will happen that you are below 60 FPS, often times a lot below that, or you are someone who just wants a higher FPS experience, in those cases you will use upscaling. And at that point, i know for a fact that i personally would ALWAYS be mad that i haver to use the inferior (sometimes really heavily inferior) upscaling method that AMD users have to use. On Nvidia i can literally choose the best method, which is DLSS in 99% of cases, but if FSR looks better in a game for some reason, i can use FSR instead of DLSS. I dont have that freedom with an AMD GPU.
i would guess most Nvidia users activate DLSS when its available, surely if they play at 1440p and especially at 4k. This is such a big factor to me that i just wont buy an AMD GPU, until i dont miss out on the DLSS quality one bit. i also want to play with RT if i pay $600+ for a 2024 GPU, i want to use Ray Reconstruction, i want to use the best available FG technology in specific games and i dont want to "save" money to pay that "saved" money in extra electricity cots over the next few years due to often times 50%+ higher power usage of AMD GPUs (in the summer i will be especially happy to not have a furnace in my PC).
if we talk CPUs, now, thats a completely different beast. i absolutely love what AMD does in terms of CPUs, and every gamer who builds a new PC with cards in the $600+ price range but then doesnt buy a x3D CPU, is making a mistake imo. i understand temporarily buying a 7600 bc of money constraints, with the goal to upgrade to a 7800x3D or 8800x3D eventually. For gamers there is virtually zero reason to not go with an AMD CPU. in terms of GPUs tho, i know that i wouldnt be happy with an AMD GPU bc i would always think to myself, that i should have paid those $100, $200 or whatever more to buy a green one. most ppl have a GPU for a few years, the extra cost is paid once and then you have the GPU.
Whats also playing a role, what nobody is saying in their videos, is that the resell value of Nvidia GPUs is like WAY higher than AMD GPUs, you find buyer way easier, way less hassle. But thats just my opinion. at the end everyone should buy what makes them happy. i dont support Nvidias price structure, but imo they just make the best GPUs, thats why they can charge more.
Upscaling is talked about in the final thoughts
@@AncientGameplays awesome, still watching the video. also my statement was more in general bc i see ppl (as in viewers, commenters online) forgetting that part all the time. you talk about upscaling often, thats great!
what i also noticed in benchmarks from various ppl, in various games, is that usually i see Nvidia having a lot less discrepancy between average FPS and 1%/0.1% lows aka having more consistent frametimes and therefor a more consistent experience. except in games like COD Modern Warfare i.e., where AMD completely destroys Nvidia for some reason. (i guess explanation probably lies in the engine there)
Would you recommend Sapphire Pure over Nitro+?
In my country Sapphire Pure is $560 while Nitro+ is $620
At that value, pure for sure
I got a 7800xt but idk if its worth upgrading to a 7900GRE and then selling the 7800xt.
Naaaah if you wanna do that rather wait for 8000 series or even 5000.
I wouldn't, you'll likely take a loss selling the 7800xt then spend an extra like 10% for the gre. To me, it's not worth the 10-12% performance gain.
I have a 7800xt and I'm happy with it, but if I wasn't content, I'd maybe think about going for atleast a non gre 7900xt. Which if I recall, was around 20% increase from the 7800xt. More money, but I feel like 20% would be much more noticeable difference. Just my opinion though.
Though if I was in the market now, without my existing 7800xt, I'd go with the gre. Just wouldn't personally go through the trouble to upgrade to something so close in performance.
As seen, not at all. Get a 7900xtx minumum. I would wait for the 8000 series though
@@AncientGameplays okay, thank you for the advice, other commentators seem to say the same too, I'll wait for 8000 series then👍
i got my 7900 GRE Sapphire pulse, and I'm so excited for it to arrive!
How is if
what is the better choice regarding the GPU's idle consumption if the PC runs a lot each day only for office work or netflix, youtube etc...? (1440p / wqhd)
thx :)
2 fans are enough for a 180watts (gaming) RTX 4070 S. Considering that, you can get one in Europe for 599€ incl. 19% tax.
I really like the 7900GRE and i think its the better choice compared to the 7800xt
I did buy a XFX 319 7800XT and do like it i have not used anything close to 16 GB of VRAM yet but i am surprised to see how cool it stay's never gets above 63c and stay's around 58 to 60 c it also overclocks nice i got it about 2680 mhz at 1050Mv's and stable playing the last of us for 4 hours no crashes i am impressed i paid 501.99 plus tax but well worth it i have another computer with a 4070 ti in it and the other has a 6600XT in it by the way i am impressed with FSR 3 turned my RX 6600 into a 1440p gaming computer nice drivers also like the AMD 24.1.3 driver very nice and stable.
I have the same 7800xt. I set the core to 3000 and VRAM to 2560. It's been running stable at 970mV, with actual core freq topping out around 2700 on the +15% power limit. One thing I don't like about Adrenaline is it focuses on package temps, not hot spot. My package temps runs about the same as yours, but the hot spot is high 70's to low 80's at my settings (though not high enough to thermal throttle).
i've found the RTX 4070 super for 20$ less than the RX 7800 XT , should i go with the RTX 4070 super ?
Definitely, just dont get a crappy model
@@AncientGameplays its an asus duo
model
Regarding PCVR, which of this cards do you think it's best, Fabio?
Hard to know as I never tested
The power consumption sold me on the 4070 super . Even though the card is $50 more I’d actually save money in my case cause I can keep my current PSU power box instead of having to upgrade and spend almost $100 plus tax along with the gpu lol
Update nvm I changed my mind and ordered just the 7900 gre instead lol. If my psu blows up then fuck it … it was worth it 🫡 🥴
You can always undervolt...@@bigjon8744
Selling the ol 3070 and snagging a 7900 GRE here soon. Going back to AMD since the 5700xt. And as always I’m going for the red devil
🔥🔥🔥🔥Great content as usual, I was wondering if you would be interested in investigating Sam/resizable bar , cause I cannot get it to work properly as in it is on but poor performance massive fps dips and stuttering iv been trying to solve this for some time and so have a few other lads I know , but no matter bios / settings / file configs and hardware changes just carnt get it running smoothly “as it should” with all different PCs and configurations on WARZONE , it would seem it’s a big issue no one can solve … and you would be a legend if you could solve it … or look into it 👍
Whenever I see one GPU winning in 1 game and the other GPU in other games, I think is a tie lmao in raster.
It will come down to whats the price and if you care about DLSS and Ray Tracing.
Fsr 3.1 will be a game changer there if it comes to be as good as it seems
Jesus is born again.
… and does GPU comparisons ….
Ps. Jesus is #TeamRED ✊
The Portuguese Steve.
Thanks God!
Jesus!
Jesus walks again.
Question: the game footage at minute 1-2, is that 4K? Asking because it’s absolutely beautiful on my iPhone, crisp and clean !!’
It is shown in the middle the resolution and settings
i wanted a nvidia card but i just couldnt afford it this round. i have settled and was going for the 7900 gre but i found a 7800xt for 429.99 so i bought it. you think the 120 dollar savings was worth it?
you got a nice deal
Wow, not often I'm this early. I'm predicting the 7800XT falls behind both. The 7900GRE wins in raster and the 4070 super wins in ray tracing. TBH this is my dilemma atm. I want to upgrade, and the GRE and the 4070 super are in my crosshairs. But I'm thinking the only game I play i'd prefer the super over the GRE is cyberpunk. But man it would look GOOD haha. But then DLSS is still better than FSR 3. It's an interesting comparison. I don't have time to watch just now, but I'm going to when I get home. Just wanted to chuck my predictions in =)
Thank you for comparing cards like this, Fabio. I wonder if this will actually make my mind up for me.
It’s spot on
7800XT and 7900GRE are close ( assuming you’re gonna play 1440p and 4k mostly ) with the GRE being slightly better , 4070 S is much better in RT and falls almost on par with 7800XT in raw raster , slightly faster on some titles
TLDR - 4070S for RT & VR and 7800XT or 7900GRE for raw raster performance and future proofing ( more VRAM ) , choose the card based on local pricing - pick GRE if it’s less than 10% more expensive than the XT vice versa
Go with the gre. More vram. You will need it. I have a 4070 super but its already maxed out in 1440p… also fsr not that bad as ppl says and will get better. Dlss is not really improving only got the framegen what amd have now as well.
@@k1cs1m3a8 bro how dare you say that when you have the 4070 laptop which only has 8GB 😂stop fooling around and decepting people
@@Eleganttf2 i don’t have a laptop, i have a MacBook. Used to have a laptop that been sold long time ago.
as always, welcome!
Need to make a video on how to fully unclock a gpu, never done that before. If we can remove time, who cares about frames per second
Hmmm 7800XT and 4070Super the same price in my country... what do you think I should get?
4070s. DLSS is just too good compared to fsr.
Been enjoying my 7900 xt.
So far, I've yet to experience any insane game breaking driver issues.
First real AMD card for me.
Only problem, is within the adrenalin software.
It was a fresh, clean windows install, with auto install off.
Installed fresh drivers everything is good. BUT.
Some options in the menus do nothing. Like if i enable Vsync always on globally, a game will still tear like crazy
and be at over 150+fps lol.
Aside from that, it's been a very nice experience. 1% lows are better than my friends 3090 ti :) it's a monster in forbidden west.
Rtx 30 cards are bad at forbidden west for some reason
Why would you use vsync always on anyways? Use freesync or rivertuner
please what is that first person puzzle you are playing during the conclusion ?
Its desordre
@@AncientGameplays Thanks a lot, going to check this out. Did you like it ?
Finally! Was waiting for this from you. I've been seeing so many people saying they could reach 2500mhz at insane undervolts of 950mv. However, I know for a fact that they're OC's are not stable.
I might've missed it but don't think you mentioned anything about what you set the core to?
2800mhz
I did. Watch the "790GRE unlock" part
On my GTE Nitro+ 963mV proved to be really stable. Everything below this voltage was stable in some benchmarks/games but unstable in others.
@@AncientGameplayswas there a difference in what frequencies you could reliably use between your AIBs seeing some have higher power limits?
Fabio, would it not be an idea to run all your tests you do with your cards not only at stock speeds, but stock with ReBAR enabled? Your tests are almost always stock, OC and OC+ ReBAR. I can say 95% of people if not more will use stock + ReBAR as most motherboards (new ones) have it enabled by default the ReBAR function.
I ask this because in a lot of test you do it looks like Nvidia is performing a lot better on the stock settings compared to AMD in most the tittles you have. So i am wondering how the gap would close of still be as big if it is stock with ReBAR on. That would be really helpful in your benchmarks i believe!
Yes, the next retests (when Ryzen 8000 come out) will be with SAM enabled by default, and will have Stock and OC
@@AncientGameplays That is great! I like to see ofc the overclock results as you already have, but seeing everything at stock with ReBAR on would be a nice bonus.
Eventhough i also did test my GPU's to about the limit except more Vcore wich i don't do i always leave it at stock after because a fast GPU like my 4080 Super does not need an overclock although very capable of it!
I’m pairing the 7900 GRE with a Ryzen 7 5700X3D.
Should I use one of the presets available in Radeon Adrenaline?
Should leave it on default, or should I press on Undervolt GPU, Overclock GPU or Overclock VRAM?
If you're going to OC do it manually, always
@@AncientGameplaysproblem is I don’t know how. Where do I start?
Plox RX 7700 XT VS RTX 4060Ti on new drivers. Actually, I've been sitting on a Sapphire 7700 XT Pure for a month now. I just wanted to make sure once again that this masterpiece is superior to the pathetic leather jacket product :)
Still faster on raster but slower on ray tracing
I'd pick the 4070 Super any day.
I'm highly interested in tight timing vs normal. As I mentioned yesterday I crash everywhere with my gre memory but perhaps I have some hope
My brother in Portugalian Christ, where do you take all these things from? Memes? What groups/sites? MAN WHO MADE THE MUSIC?!! Did you make the retrofuturistic music yourself????
I just remember and find them hah. I did not make the music haha
@@AncientGameplays Anyway you do really deserve praise and appreciation because you are just a good content creator and increase the quality of this platform. Keep up the good work. If you could make suggestion whether I should make an upgrade on my pc with i3 12100f on a cheap gigabyte h610m mobo, 16 gb ram, aasrock rx 6600 challenger and case and psu MSI Forge Mag (600W the included psu with the case) with a rx 7800xt or rtx 4070 super for the eyecandy path tracing (if you think it looks good) or whether should I buy a PS5 PRO which costs as an entire system the same as a gpu on which power its equivalent, 45% better raster and 3 times better RT than PS5, and PSSR which is like DLSS. (just do not be one of those trolls that compare ps5 pro with a SH build I would Love to hear from you, I m a big fan of your, my friend. See you in heaven.
I don't get why the memory of the 7900 GRE wasn't OC'd together with raising clocks and under-volting.
Stock is 2250MHz, it is OC'ed eith fast timings also
Hello!
I have an RX 7900 GRE and I have a very bizarre issue. I was able to achieve a stable memory OC IN GAMES of 2488MHz. But as soon as I exit any of my games, or the GPU is not at 100% load, my system crashes and ERROR 41 shows up in eventlog.
Has anyone ever seen anything like this, or is it just me?
This issue is only present when I'm overclocking the VRAM. If I set it to the pervious limit of 2316MHz, it is always stable.
The system crashes = Not stable. As stated in the video and by you, as soon as you go 2316MHz it doesn't crash
Hi same here, I can use 2450MHz or even more and in game I have no issue, but I noticed, during game start or exit, some reboot freeze (2 times in 4 days).
I just lowered memory at stock to be sure the GPU is ok and for now no issue.
I guess memory oc until 2350MHz is fine for pretty much everyone after that level you can have stability issues.
Same. Games are fine, as soon as I try Lightroom or Photoshop (I'm a photographer) I get a crash. Think I might just go back to stock where it was completely stable for games AND Photoshop.
Keep in mind 100-150MHz more on VRAM can give you ~2-3% more real performance so it doesn't make any sense to push the limit near the instability threshold.
I scored 24800 in time spy with my 7900gre nitro but with a stable oc I can get ~24000
Tldr: for only 3% more possible performance I prefer stability
Hi mate, I just bought a Sapphire Nitro+ 7800XT and just saw the Sapphire Nitro+ 7900GRE is avaliable to preorder for £60 more, do you think its worth the value to future proof my system? I don't think the 7900GRE would last another year compared to the 7800XT. Should I just sell the 7800 when the next few generations of GPUs come about? Thank you 👍
If I were you I would just keep the 7800XT and later upgrade to the 8800XT when you have the money
Hey think you can make a video about the benefits of each driver and manager?
Im talking about Adrenalin vs Nvidia Geforce (not sure what they use anymore tbh) and compare what they both have and what each one has that the other does not.
Im planning ob buying either a Zotac RTX4060 or Asus RX7600, and since they seem to perform similarly i want to see if one has better options in the driver manager section.
(Price difference is like 10 dollars or so)
I know this might be out of the question but do you think the amd cards have at least decent performance on machine learning software? I have the 7900xtx like amd advertised it would be the card for ai workload and gaming. But other parts still haven't arrived. What do you think?
The software support is just not there yet
lol you got scammed by AMD then, literally no support for Pytorch on Radeon gpus yet in Windows so idk why you even think about machine learning using Radeon gpus
@@Eleganttf2 RocM ? That's no support?
@@thepizzaboy7904 i said literally in my comment IN WINDOWS
@Eleganttf2 yeah rocm is now in windows
could you please do a in depth video of ryzen 7 cpu overclocking? im very interested in a static clock speed like you have on your 7700x. i have the feeling that my clock speeds are all over the place while gaming and it can effect the fps quite a bit.
may i ask something? do you think a 7800xt for 420 to 450 euros in portugal used is a good deal?
Used? Too expensive
By your numbers on average: The 4070S is 3-6% faster than the 7800XT while costing 20% more. Granted, this varies per game and personal preferences, but that should tell people something about the poor pricing these products have. The 4070S should cost at least $50 less and with that will become the best bang-per-buck card. On contrast the 7900GRE is around 10-12% faster than the 7800XT which goes at least on par with the 10% price increase.
50$ more is appropriate.
it is superior in productivity, uses far less power, superior ray tracing, and isn't reliant on an OC.
I love my AMD card, I myself have a 7900 xt :) overclocked to heaven and back.
2950mhz core, 2750 memory, 1055 mv.
however, allot of 7900 gres have been reported not being able to barely go above 100 mhz more on the memory.
Never buy a card based on Overclocking performance.
The real problem is the 12gb of Vram on the 4070 super. If you don't mind turning down 1 thing once in a while to reduce that
usage in a game here or there, then you'll be in a better place overall.
But the 7900 gre is still a good deal.
I'm really surprised how many people think that VRAM OC is a decision factor for buying.
You have 5% variance on the clock between better and worse silicon this is 3% performance difference.
Any 7900gre can overclock and achieve a boost between 10% and 13%.
After overclocking the 7900xt is still 7% faster which is a small margin.
What is important to consider is the power limit the 7900gre has 16 / 17% lower PL compared to 7900xt this unfortunately translates in roughly the same percentage gain.
If you plan to buy a GPU with better performance it is way more convenient to buy Nvidia.
so you'd rather give up on these things only cause it is 50$ more? extremely superior productivity, AI capabilities, superior RT performance, DLSS 3/ 3.5, superior Encoder, better watt usage, superior Low Latency Mode, Hardware Accelerated GPU scheduling which is available only to Nvidia.
@@Alonso89077 the main issue of the 4070s is the VRAM.
The reselling price will be compromised very fast.
They don't go more on memory because like I stated, you'll need core voltage to maintain the VRAM frequency up@@TheRandomDude-qy1ev
11:52 your pronounciation is extremely good, im a french guy who's watching you (and helped me alot to fix my 6900xt 1year ago) and have to say that your pronounciation of this words is really good !
Thank you, I've been to Switzerland some times
Hi i can I have two choices i can build a pc with 12400F + 7700XT or 7600X + 6750XT
For the same price so which one i should prefer GPU or CPU
I will be using for gaming and live streaming mainly and some lil bit mining
man I really like the 7900GRE, it's excellent value with 16GB VRAM and performance well vs. the 4070S. But the W use for video playback is insane!
Nah, it isn't. Mine uses 35w to play 4k on youtube...
I can't choose between these cards. My son often plays and streams youtube with an old laptop. I'm thinking about a 7500f or 7600x cpu. But I don't know which card is more suitable for streaming. He still plays Fortnite, roblox, rust, minecraft, Team Fortress 2. With the new computer, he plans to add to his gameplay and streaming CS and GTA. Would a 7800xt be enough or is it better to add about 100€ and buy a 4070 super for about 610€? Maybe someone can advise from experience? A big thank you!!!
the 7800XT would be more than enough especially since he's using an old laptop. IF you don't know how to setup your PC to the minimum, then get the 4070 Super as NVIDIA cards are more "fool proof" than the AMD ones, but as stated the 4070 Super is faster and consumes less power AND you have more features
@@AncientGameplays Yes, you probably rigth. 7800xt will be enough, but +100€ for 4070s will be more cost efficient for long term run on electricity bills 🙂. Thankyou 🫡
Great vidéo
Hey folks. How is it? Please, some experienced 27" monitor owners, I am reaching out to you: is 4k a real deal visual fidelity wise for this width? I am planning to sell my laptop and build a PC with next gen CPU GPU hitting the market. And I am sort of ok on money, but I hate the feeling of being ripped off for nothing. So I am really looking towards 1440p mini led monitor. Again: which is the real deal for 27" 1440p or 4k?
Thanks
I have a 27" 4K monitor and the extra pixel density is definitely welcome and looks great. Although, it isn't necessary
@@AncientGameplays thanx!!!
I agree with you that it's hard to pick between this two cards as they both have strong sides.
I picked 7900GRE in reference edition over 4070 super because of 3 reasons :
-big difference in price [ about 100usd ]
-drivers quality and integration for linux is waay better on amd
-I don't really wanted that new 12Vhpwr conector
Only time will tell if i choosen correctly , last time i went with amd and RX470 i was very satisfied .
When you are showing results graph, with "OC+SAM" you mean non reference OC? Like for example ASUS, MSI, or any other AiB make?
Oc+sam is the oc values on the second chart + SAM
Hi Fabio! Off topic! My 7900XT I went through two RMAs the first last for a year and the second only lasted a month. Should I get a refund and get a NVIDIA GPU not blaming AMD but its too coincidental. I.can share with you in private about the RMA issue and what the issue is. I can't stop watching your videos!
Something is really off there, sure you don't need a new psu? But yeah, you can try the 4080 super
@@AncientGameplays I bought 2 New 1000 watt from Corsair HX1000i. One got RMA'd because the fan in the PSU started vibrating the second works fine. I plugged in a GTX1070 and works fine. I love AMD the colors pop and there's is more sharpness than NVIDIA and I have the 7900XT Nitro + beautiful GPU. I got a second Motherboard too. New ram too and CPU. Issue persisted. Weird right. I'll keep you posted once I get a 3RD GPU from RMA.
Quite the large "sponsor transition" 😉
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