I've never been able to tell much of a difference but it's definitely a solid mounting system. Some people just seem to prefer it. Having a little more choke isn't always a bad thing. I do have drum builder friends who swear by virgin mounting though.
great vid! im wondering the same thing! i have old ludwig maples and id like to get some kind of mouning system and i liked the pearl 'o' at 1st glance seems stronger to use the bottom rim as well but im wondering if thatd choke it. it seems this vid prooved my 2nd thought. what do you think having actually been in the presence of the sound?
Dan On my little notebook it's kind of hard to tell, but the drum sounds a tinsy bit lower in pitch on the Pearl mount There is a little more sustain but both sound great. Are you keeping the Remos on the toms. I noticed on some of the videos you have the stock clear heads, I was planning on going coated both sides as I have with my classic maples. I'minterested in your opinions regardinbg heads on the keystones. Matt (onemat on DFO)
Drum was slightly out of tune during the optimount test. Turn up the volume and listen closely. You'll hear the decay stutters. With the Vibra band, the decay was smooth. That wobbly, "stutter" is an indication that the heads are out of tune with each other. When you swapped in the vibra band and retensioned the head, you corrected the tuning problem. However, out of tune or not, I did not pick up any choking with the optimount. Both ISO's seem to work equally well.
optimount introduced vibrations as well as choking the drum. You wouldn't notice this playing with a band live but it would be very noticeable in a studio recording situation. I'm guessing the optimount put too much stress on the four lugs it attaches to.
Vibraband is better. However I have played old Slingerland drums that really sing with penetration type hardware. I understand the concept of having less stress on a small area of the shell though.
Listen again. The drum sound brighter and drier with the vibra-band. That means its arresting the drums ability to vibrate naturally. The optimount is working better in this case.
The second time you har htting the drum much harder. It's very difficult to tell from our PC:s, it's should be easier for you hearing the sound just as it is, without being effected by the registration. So, what was your opinion?
Who said anything about cover bands, recording, live performances or anything? Literally all they're telling you is that one resonates more than the other. I don't know why some people get so arsey about these things! Personally, I don't like the OptiMounts, because they're a pain in the arse to work with, but that's just me! I.S.S. all the way for me, never had a problem with my toms falling off, lol! :p
Frankly, that tom sounds poorly tuned. Should have included a snare stand mount, and no mount (hanging from rim in hand). Just a poor test overall, sample of 1, 'nuff said. I am skeptical these make much difference with a well tuned good quality drum, I have some older drums with the "old 'shove a pole through it" mounts and they sound terrific when well tuned, and that means lugging around a lot less metal.
pros pearl : looks more stable ludwig mount : looks kooler as far as the vid i think the ludwig wasnt tuned as well u probably played on the optimount system b 4 u recorded , because ive seen your other vid where u played w ludwig mounts and it was a very nice sound .
I did a comparison between modern 'virgin' mounting systems and the old 'shove a pole through it' kind and what do you know, old is way better and it's makes sense the tension is evenly spread inside and out, the marketing maggot who came up with this outside mounting fad must laugh from on high at how easily people can be suckered into paying more for an inferior product.
Talk about a myth ! I challenge any drummer to listen to a band live and tell me whether it's even using iso mounts on the toms. Granted, recording is another animal altogether, but how many cover bands out there are selling CDs of the quality that require such detail ? Marketing 101.....nice job drum hardware manufacturers :)
It's not about listening to a band live it's about you as the drummer playing a kit. If you have a drum that's ultra dead, for me anyway, it doesn't inspire my playing, it feels flat and lifeless. Obviously there are situations where that is desirable or stylistically appropriate but if I'm doing a general gig with a mixture of styles I like to have a little more life to the drum. Toms in particular
I've never been able to tell much of a difference but it's definitely a solid mounting system. Some people just seem to prefer it. Having a little more choke isn't always a bad thing. I do have drum builder friends who swear by virgin mounting though.
great vid! im wondering the same thing! i have old ludwig maples and id like to get some kind of mouning system and i liked the pearl 'o' at 1st glance seems stronger to use the bottom rim as well but im wondering if thatd choke it. it seems this vid prooved my 2nd thought. what do you think having actually been in the presence of the sound?
Dan
On my little notebook it's kind of hard to tell, but the drum sounds a tinsy bit lower in pitch on the Pearl mount There is a little more sustain but both sound great. Are you keeping the Remos on the toms. I noticed on some of the videos you have the stock clear heads, I was planning on going coated both sides as I have with my classic maples. I'minterested in your opinions regardinbg heads on the keystones.
Matt (onemat on DFO)
Yes its true , same situation other sames tom holders . Tama tom holder type are best for more resonance... GREAT VIDEO.. suscribed.
People, please listen with a good headphones
The RIMS mount has a bit more sustain than the Optimount, after the initial strike of the drum head from what I hear.
Drum was slightly out of tune during the optimount test. Turn up the volume and listen closely. You'll hear the decay stutters. With the Vibra band, the decay was smooth. That wobbly, "stutter" is an indication that the heads are out of tune with each other. When you swapped in the vibra band and retensioned the head, you corrected the tuning problem.
However, out of tune or not, I did not pick up any choking with the optimount. Both ISO's seem to work equally well.
optimount introduced vibrations as well as choking the drum. You wouldn't notice this playing with a band live but it would be very noticeable in a studio recording situation. I'm guessing the optimount put too much stress on the four lugs it attaches to.
Vibraband is better. However I have played old Slingerland drums that really sing with penetration type hardware. I understand the concept of having less stress on a small area of the shell though.
Listen again. The drum sound brighter and drier with the vibra-band. That means its arresting the drums ability to vibrate naturally. The optimount is working better in this case.
@@DeanMk1 I don't agree, I can also hear a weird buzzing with the optimount. I can only trust my own ears.
RIMS mount for me!
The second time you har htting the drum much harder. It's very difficult to tell from our PC:s, it's should be easier for you hearing the sound just as it is, without being effected by the registration. So, what was your opinion?
have more resonance with the vibraband, the good thing of the optimount is which you can put the toms really near of eachother..
Who said anything about cover bands, recording, live performances or anything? Literally all they're telling you is that one resonates more than the other. I don't know why some people get so arsey about these things! Personally, I don't like the OptiMounts, because they're a pain in the arse to work with, but that's just me! I.S.S. all the way for me, never had a problem with my toms falling off, lol! :p
Conclusion???
Ludwig Mint Oyster tom ?
I had a garbage can filled with tapioca pudding that sounded better than that drum
Recording a tom directly from the side is the worst angle you can record a drum from. That's why nobody has ever done that.
Frankly, that tom sounds poorly tuned. Should have included a snare stand mount, and no mount (hanging from rim in hand). Just a poor test overall, sample of 1, 'nuff said. I am skeptical these make much difference with a well tuned good quality drum, I have some older drums with the "old 'shove a pole through it" mounts and they sound terrific when well tuned, and that means lugging around a lot less metal.
pros pearl : looks more stable
ludwig mount : looks kooler
as far as the vid i think the ludwig wasnt tuned as well u probably played on the optimount system b 4 u recorded , because ive seen your other vid where u played w ludwig mounts and it was a very nice sound .
I did a comparison between modern 'virgin' mounting systems and the old 'shove a pole through it' kind and what do you know, old is way better and it's makes sense the tension is evenly spread inside and out, the marketing maggot who came up with this outside mounting fad must laugh from on high at how easily people can be suckered into paying more for an inferior product.
That drum sounds like cat shit.
40 seconds in the drum gets hit ?!? 🤦🏻♂️
That drum sounds really, really bad. I mean...like... wow. Horrible.
Paul.yea I noticed it very dead sounding.how to tune your drum like a pro.(the tom’s)needs to watch Rick Beato 🥁💻
Both are crap! There’s only one you need and that’s a Gauger rims mount, the best! 🥁
Talk about a myth !
I challenge any drummer to listen to a band live and tell me whether it's even using iso mounts on the toms.
Granted, recording is another animal altogether, but how many cover bands out there are selling CDs of the quality that require such detail ?
Marketing 101.....nice job drum hardware manufacturers :)
It's not about listening to a band live it's about you as the drummer playing a kit. If you have a drum that's ultra dead, for me anyway, it doesn't inspire my playing, it feels flat and lifeless.
Obviously there are situations where that is desirable or stylistically appropriate but if I'm doing a general gig with a mixture of styles I like to have a little more life to the drum. Toms in particular
Optimount sucks, that's why they've redesigned their whole lineup.
Throw the drum dial in the trash and use your ears. That drum is nice, but it sounds shit.