Mastering The Art Of Snowboard Carving // Advanced Snowboard Carving Tips
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- Опубліковано 30 бер 2024
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Body Position / Rotation / Angulation / Weight Shift / Using Momentum / Timing / Edge Change / Turn Shape / Turn Symmetry /Japanese Style / Surf Inspired Boards /
Carving on a snowboard means turning the board by its design.
The dance between the edges where biomechanics and physics create magic, over and over again!
Nothing can touch the sensation you get when body and board align with the forces.
Developing good edge control and turning skills is important for every aspect of snowboarding. Whether you're riding park, hitting jumps or the pipe, or whether you're freeriding or cruising corduroy... you're likely going to be on one edge or the other! So take some time to develop this skill! You'll appreciate it later one!
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"I hold the energy, let it grab me and then use it to project me into the next turn... no wasted movement, no wasted energy!"
- Jeremy Jones - Спорт
Love your style, Lars! Thank you for putting out your videos - they're a game changer. This has been my best season on the snow thanks to your educational efforts. I'll reach out next season to see if you can do a video review for me.
Wow! Thanks for sharing this with me!! Means the world! If this is the outcome for one single person, I’m winning 😊🙏
Lars I've got stuff to be getting on with and you've got me 20 minutes deep into a carving video again!
Did you type in "How to do ze caav?" and my video popped up?
I greatly apologize for absolutely wasting your time!!
😅🙌 Go ride that pow you recently got!! 😉
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel nail on the head 😂
I'm going to be studying this... Hitting the back button repeatedly... This is like summer training camp for me right now being able to watch these in the offseason! 🤓
Ha! Love it!! Share the stoke 🙌🙏
Bro stop stealing my style lol. Its cool you made this discussing different styles because ‘surf style’ is more of the carving I try to do. I really enjoy a nice tapered board. I like how they usually work with my size 8 foot too.
Thank you Lars! Brilliant video. I have so much to work on and so little opportunity to practice but when I do get to the snow I love looking up your videos before I go! Thanks mate
Nice one!! 😊 That’s so cool to hear!! 🙌
Thank you for the content, it's amazing!
Another priceless masterclass.
Thank you, Lars!
The carving learning community owes you big time.
Really appreciate it.
Thanks so much!! 🙏
Absolutely fantastic ! Best carving analysis ever produced! Also, great pointers concerning why my knee sometimes hit the snow before I fully tilted my board (hip conter rotation needed) or the one on bringing the chest over the front knee in a heel side turn . Also, more back knee action is needed on board with back seat camber, like the Salomon super 8 in my opinion. Thank you Lars fantastic work !
Thanks Martin! I would hope there's better content out there than this.... I'm almost learning from myself.... I'm not ultimately confident in what I'm saying in this video. It simply makes sense to me, and seemingly it does to others so far.
Thanks again!!
what people been waiting for sooooo long🎉
Gosh…. So much pressure😅 I hope it has some useful info in it. There will be more next season. Thanks for the support!!
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel you gonna nail it as always！keep up
the good works mate!
@@mikizhang7758 thank you Miki!!
Excellent stuff! Exactly what I needed to hear. I think this extra back foot weighting definitely applies to my board. Thanks!
This is great! One thing I noticed in my wild riding, that if I let myself relax more, everything is smoother AND better control. But if I try to control everything, it is wild and out of control. That agrees a lot with you saying "quiet upper body".
This is something I'm working on with my back leg in particular because I flex it way too much and get the dreaded fatigue.
This is a great video. Slow mo baby! And your commentary is spot on. Posi posi. Only way to surf carve. Thanks. Good job
Thanks man!! Glad you can appreciate the content.
BEAUTIFUL turning
Thank you very much! It was very enjoyable 😊🙏
Love it! My new fav reference vid...you should have been a teacher mate,...great stuff.
Thank you very much!! Share the love!!
I did teach snowboarding for twelve years, but not really on this level. It’s too technical for the average ski school client. So this is a bit of an attempt at reaching riders with some deeper explanations. It’s not necessarily all correct. But it reflects my experience.
Yeah, I have been following you for a while....I was being a dick....but you have a gift of being able to say exactly the right thing at the perfect moment...plus being an Aussie surfer, I relate to this stuff...brilliant...thanks again
@@stevenlock6734 not sure I know what you mean with having been a dick?! Don't remember that and your last comment had nothing 'dick-ish' in it. :-) All good here, mate!!
Thanks for another great tutorial Lars . This is the style of carving that i naturally do, as coming from a surfing background . This video has given me loads to work on my technique, so very much appreciate the time you've spent on the editing etc .
Ive got a Ride Peace Seeker 151 ,which i absolutely love for that surfy feel in the pow, spring conditions and surfy carves . But since seeing your videos, im looking at adding another board for for longer soulfull drawn out carves ,and something i wont boot-out on with size 12 boots ! Ive been checking out the Strander range, and was thinking of the Cheater 170W , but i would really appreciate your input on board choice please 🙏.
Size US 12 boots, 180cm, 180 lbs and advanced rider that likes going in one direction with a soulfull style.
Keep up the great tutorials. Many thanks 🙌🤙
Cheater could be perfect! Note that the board - as much as it's easy to carve - needs to be carved!!! It's torsionally stiff, which contributes lots to the edge grip and overall stability, but it does make the board less maneuverable in slow speed, bumpy terrain, short turn scenarios!!
I love the Cheater for its incredibly confidence inspiring stability when on edge.
Thanks Lars. Sounds perfect for the morning groomers, then bring out my Peace Seeker for the afternoon of ragging around in the chop and chunder 👌
@@tomc3873 in case you order a Cheater through Stranda, let Mats know you’re coming from this channel. I’m not being paid, but it’s good for me that he’s aware. Thank you!!🙏
Awesome stuff! It’s great to see some analysis of more regular riding, and not just those beautiful laid out carves.
I had to watch it 3 times to fully process it. Skiers would say that hip dump is bad, but I see why you do it. The ‘extreme carvers’ do the push/pull to keep the knees out of the way and I think I do that to some extent on good terrain. But when things get sketchy/dicy I try to keep my COM closer to the board. I do find myself doing that hip counter rotation as well and have really wondered about it. I don’t do it for long drawn out GS carves, but it seems very effective at getting an early edge angle for a quick, tight turn. Unfortunately I do think it puts me in a less stable body position.
I should’ve been clear that I’m not talking about skidding, but trying to control my speed through carving. A counter rotated skid can put you in a really bad position.
Push pull is fun, but really…. most of the time I just find it unnecessary. Great comment!! Thank you for sharing those thoughts!
In spring conditions (slush on ice) I learned that laying down that in-line stance really isn’t great form. You’re right, it puts the weight of your chest too far inside the turn and moves you centre of mass too far from the edge. Without my weight stacked over the edge it was occasionally sliding out. Only happened once on my Stranda Shorty, but repeatedly on my Freecarver 6000. It was confusing, as initially it felt like I booted out. It kinda makes me wonder if some people think they’re booting out and simply aren’t stacking their weight very well? In better conditions I started keeping the hips open on the toe side and started sharpening up my pencil lines, and my left/right turns were getting more even as well. Thanks once again for the schooling!
Thanks!
Thank you very much! I appreciate it!! 🙏
Lars, came across your channel and immediately subscribed! A lot of good information. You are doing a great job! 🙏🏼
There would be so many things to discuss, but can I just take two minor points from this video.
First, whenever you talk about alpine riding, aka hardbooting, you always say "whatever" angle "they" ride on the back foot. In every video it comes across a little dismissive. Having a holistic approach to snowboarding, it doesn't feel right. I totally understand if you are not interested in riding that way yourself, but one should acknowledge that this setup is highly effective for carving, especially when the slopes get tracked, bumpy, icy or steep. And in my opinion every rider can benefit massively from having experiences with both setups. By the way, there are many different styles of hardbooting, but for the classical style, and what most pro riders use, the back foot angle is somewhere around the 50 degree mark. 💪🏻
Second, Gentemstick - which boards have you tried? They have so many shapes, but most of them are not exactly made for the kind of riding you show here. It can be done, of course, but it is not the focus. Therefore I would not call the riding in the video Japanese style. Take a look at some of their top riders, like Waji, the way they flow done the mountain. Watch their movements when in transition, their leg and arm positions on the backside and the frontside. Very different from this video. If you keep in mind their snow and terrain conditions, it all makes sense. They don't need high edge angles and to close out every turn. They have more open and cruise like turns, letting the board go and a lot of Gentemsticks are made for that kind of turns.
Sorry, now it turned into a little bit of a rant 😀Keep up the good work! 👊🏻 And stay on the edge!
Hey!
Fantastic comment! Thank you very much!
I think we're on the same page and there are just some misunderstandings happening here.
I agree on all points!! I do ride hardboots sometimes, but it's more of an experiment rather than me actually understanding all aspects of it. So that wasn't meant to be dismissive in any way at all. I was displaying my lack of knowledge there, and I didn't want to state hard numbers, because I genuinely wouldn't know whether there's a general recommended back foot angle for hardboots. All I wanted to really point out is that with a steep back foot angle there's less need for counter rotation on the toe side - in my theory, which may also be wrong!! And for that theory it didn't require a specific angle, hence I said 'whatever they ride'. Sorry that came across the wrong way, and I understand that it could have. Thanks for telling me that.
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In regards to Japanese style: again, I'm completely with you! Maybe I wasn't clear enough when I made the connection between heavily tapered powder fishes used for carving and the style often seen in Japan and those boards often found in the Gentem line.
In other episodes I talk about what you're saying here about terrain. The tapered boards finish turns more down the fall line - in particular when not weighted in the tail. The mellow Japanese terrain almost requires that turn shape so the rider doesn't lose speed.
'Surf style' is riding with the terrain. This here is my terrain. I need to pull my turns at least across the hill on most runs. We don't have many banks, and the ones we do have are getting 'surfed', haha... :-) Japan inspired to me in this case was the connection of those boards, me getting onto the backfoot early to bring the board around and not lose the tail and me interpreting my terrain on this particular board.
I know exactly what you mean with Waji! He rides a TT.... 4mm taper, flat camber, 165 in many cases.... HUGE radius compared to most softboot boards out there, narrow waist.... With friends I constantly talk about how well the Japanese board shapers understand what they need for their terrain and conditions. It's remarkable! They're all purpose made!
And there are also a lot of videos where they rail turns on a Rocket Fish and such - boards under 150 with partially 40mm+ taper..... And that's where what I'm talking about in the video comes out very visibly! Watch OM! His heel turn on those boards looks a lot like what I'm doing in this video - with much, much better style on his end.
In regards to back foot weighting and Japanese style: Waji is even doing that in an exaggerated manner on a TT that arguably doesn't actually require it. He properly lifts the nose off the ground at the end of many heel turns.
Anyhow, I hope I was able to clarify.
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*** Edited: Additional note:
In regards to 'Japanese Style'... If we can even pigeon hole it into 'one particular style', I agree with you. But there are many elements, which simply apply to snowboarding. E.g. they use their trailing arm quite a lot to generate momentum for the edge change, which is something I'm emphasizing in this video here. The MOSS guys look slightly different again... Many of them just stay low all the time... Not much fore aft at all. Just edging. I've tried two MOSS boards, and it made total sense. The noses were so soft, they would simply fold when getting weighted like what I'm used to.
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Thanks again for the comment!! Very nicely written criticism! Not many people are capable of that... Thank you!!
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Ok, so we are full on on the same page 😇Not really a surprise for me 💪🏻
I found that when talking about equipment and riding styles the snow conditions and ones predominant terrain conditions are often overlooked and heavily neglected.
The guys who invented extreme carving have their own super steep, perfectly groomed black diamond slope right outside their house.There their technique makes total sense and works quite well (if you like that sort of riding). But then everyone saw the spectacular videos and tried copying the style on bunny hills at the glacier or bumpy slopes in crowded ski resorts and reality hit them hard (quire literally 😇).
It is kind of the same with the snow surfing scene. I love that kind of riding and take a lot of inspiration from it, especially the philosophy. But use a Superfish with a Strata binding and the K2 TT Snowsurfer boots (have you ridden that boot yet? Highly recommended!) on steeper slopes with artificial snow or hardpacked conditions and you will have an interesting ride, to put it mildly.
Keep putting out great videos! 👊🏻 And keep living' on the edge! 🤙🏻
@@WinterPlatinum thanks for the kind words regarding my content, btw.!!!
Yes, terrain and conditions are never part of the discussion, and that is so wrong!!!
You might have found James Cherry's channel as well?! He's talking about making black runs look easy. But the conditions are pristine, which changes the game entirely....
I think he should emphasize that a little. He even calls himself a groomer snob and wouldn't choose to carve in somewhat challenging conditions.
So great to hear your thoughts. I'll check out your video later! Looking great!!!
Where do you live and ride?
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel You deserve the praise! 🤙🏻
I always find it funny what the "internet" deems great carving and some people are cherished for the completely wrong reasons 😇 But we are here to spread positive vibes, so I am not commenting on a lot of things.
I live in Austria and ride mostly some unknown resorts in the Eastern part of Austria. Just give me a half decent slope covered in snow and I am a happy man. Life is really easy sometimes. #edgegame 👊🏻
@@WinterPlatinum hahaha.... Ich komme aus Dortmund.... Fahre seit Winter '92/'93. Habe lange in Flachau unterrichtet, wo ich für eine kurze Zeit ein paar Dinge von einem Weltcup Racer lernen durfte... Meine Schwester lebt in Oberösterreich, ich bin seit 2009 weg aus Deutschland und seit 2013 permanent in Kanada.
Vielleicht laufen wir uns ja mal über den Weg! 🙂
Liebe Grüße!!
Interesting on the counter-rotated hips for shallow rear foot angle - not a problem I have with size 47 though!
Thank you Lars for another great video. One question: when you say “hip is pinched”, what does that mean?
Watch this video.
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Absolutely phenomenal video Lars... Would like to ask you what are your thoughts on the Japanese style riding/carving... I feel they are quite similar to how you ride (aka surfstyle? I might be wrong). Most of the videos I watch of them they are also posi posi stances as well... Love to hear your thoughts on that...
Tough question...
Japanese style is very much depending on their terrain: mellow, open pitches with banks. They don't need to crank the board high on edge to turn across the hill to lose speed, they'd come to a stop doing that on those mellow runs...
When I'm talking about 'surf style' or 'Japan inspired riding' I mean riding with the terrain, speed control through turn shape, riding above the fall line... To achieve that here where I ride (Fernie, Canada) I need to work quite hard, because the runs are often steep and narrow. Their style is much less aggressive, because the terrain doesn't require such heavy weighting and unweighting of the board. So often you'll see them just cruise and get low through the knees without actually pushing on the board that much or creating super high edge angles.
In my video here I was referring to the rather back foot heavy riding on those tapered powder fishes that seemingly have their origin in Japan. They're not really made for carving, yet some Japanese riders have created a culture around that.
The japanese board builders have truly understood how to purpose build snowboards for their terrain. I could write a book about that. It's amazing! I would go that far and say that some of their boards won't even work anywhere but in such terrain...
Watch these guys here, that's already pretty aggressive for those runs... ua-cam.com/video/yMCHgDgRqvM/v-deo.html
This great stuff. I noticed your back knee tucked. I tried this recently going posi/posi with +9 on the back foot. When I turn my hips forward & try & tuck my back leg in behind the front it puts strain on my knee in the same direction that I tore the medial collateral ligaments a few years ago...so it doesn’t feel good at all...like I could injure it again very easily. The only way round this is to increase the + angle of my back foot so there’s less side ways strain on my knee or to go duck with a slight negative angle on the back foot (-3/-6). I opted to go for negative on the back as increasing the positive angle meant It felt good for specialist carving but not so great for navigating other aspects of the mountain. So I will have to try and improve my carving with a duck stance unless you have any other suggestions?
+9° on the back foot is good. When I feel discomfort on the back knee I think about bringing my femurs together, so the work load is sustained by hip and thigh muscles, not by the knee. If you start feeling the rotation coming from the obliques and hip joints, then the knee comes forward without much thinking, without putting load on it. My sensation is that the effort is in stabilising the hips/abs/obliques and not resisting the load with the knees. Also, if you can, try to narrow the stance, making knees closer without the need to rotate the back one. Hope this helps. 🙏🏻
It‘s so complicated!
One takeaways from wakesurfing, where you need to get weight on your front foot if the wave runs away from you:
If you bend forward at the waist and stick your butt out, you actually lessen the pressure (weight) on your front foot.
Everyone does that by reflex and the wave runs away.
I know of two ways to get faster.
One is pushing your hip forward, which puts more pressure on your front foot.
The other is dropping your back knee, i guess that reduces the actual pressure on your back foot and thus puts the weight on your front foot too.
Not criticizing your technique at all and i‘m not sure how that applies to snowboarding.
I‘m just a bit overwhelmed with thinking through everything that’s going on.
So i guess on your heel side, by bending forward and dropping your knee you are balancing the pressure between your front and back foot, while keeping your weight of your body inside the radius of the turn and in front of your back foot, keeping the ability to adjust pressure both on your back and front foot.
I figure twisting your hip has another side effect of pulling a bit onto your front heel, thus pushing that edge into the snow, without pushing that much weight into the front of the board.
This way you don’t push that much into the camber or rocker of your board, which would get your sidecut and turn radius way tighter. Most likely too tight for the edge/snow to handle.
It doesn’t compare. For example: pushing the hip forward for front foot pressure is the worst thing you can possibly do on a snowboard. It lifts people’s front shoulder, drops the back shoulder, and puts them into the back seat without even realizing.
Ideally clear the mind from wake surfing…. I can’t even visualize how what you’re saying would work on a wake board. Yeah, it’s complicated!
Loving this content.
Hey where can i get a cant plate for soft boots (Burton stepon)?
Sorry, no idea. Bomberonline used to have some. James Cherry is coming out with some as well.
You make it look like you’re suspended on ropes. Inspiring
I might be…. 😅 Hahaha… Thank you!!🙏
Thank you for another great video. I wonder if you could do a video showing how you change your technique (or not) for larger vs smaller sidecut radii. I find my sweet spot to be between 7.8 and 8.5M for all mountain carving, and I have inconsistencies holding a deep carve on boards with 7.2M or less.
You're likely riding too fast for your board's sidecut....
Those quick turning, short sidecut radius boards have a clear speed limit. The G forces are quickly too high for the radius the board wants to follow. That's when you get the chatter. You blow through the sidecut!
So tip 1: slow down / 2: choose mellower terrain / 3: make sure you REALLY finish your turn across the hill to dump speed - going into the next turn too fast is already the end of a successful turn, and worse so on those boards!! / 4: If the terrain happens to be a little steeper and it demands from you to tip the board higher on edge to tighten up the turn and avoid too much time in the fall line, you gotta act fast! It's more aggressive on those boards. They quickly turn sharply away underneath you, if you'r not executing all the movements fast enough.
If you get it right, you'll be going pretty darn slow and might find out that that's not what you want... I find those boards are simply not suited for high edge angles. But they give an average rider the feeling of carving nice turns, because they do actually turn when not being put high on edge.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Thank you! Do you ever try those tighter turning boards?
@@warrens4808 yes. I'm not a fan! 🙂
What board is this man? Have you tried the gentemstick chaser hp?
@@Mixedbydavey this is a Stranda Makrill. The Chaser has way too much taper for my liking. Makrill is 20mm. I don’t necessarily want more than that. But that’s preference. I’ve heard good things about the Chaser.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channelnice one! Which Stranda would be your pick as an all round pow, groomer and carving board for Japan?
@@Mixedbydavey if you’re into the quick turn feel and the idea of a short fat, the Makrill is perfect. Otherwise Shorty or Tree Surfer.
Great video. What are your stance angles and stance width for this board?
30/+12, I think I said that in the video. In pow i go 27/+9.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Thank you for the clarification, Lars. Sorry if I missed it in the video.
@@davidmcfall5926 no worries man!! 😊🤙
Ohh yes, just found another!
Haha… 😅
Great video! What are you located in Canada?
Fernie, BC
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Good to know! Do you go to panarama mountain a lot? Which mountain in BC is most groomed for practicing carving?
@@tonglai7499 Never been to Pano, but I hear great things. Maybe a little steep, if you're still learning.
Kimberley would be great!!
Great video as always. Could I make a suggestion for a future video? Could you go through each section of both turns just by standing in front of the camera where you do your inside filming, with maybe things to lean on either side? A bit like James Cherry did when he did his outside video with his snow banks either side. I think it might be clearer for the viewer for you to demonstrate fore-aft movement, knee position/movement, getting the weight over the board on transition etc this way rather than via video clips. I feel that you could show each turn by moving slowly as you progress along the turn which I think would demonstrate things better rather than pictures that jump from frame to frame and are sometime a bit too far away to see the intricacies of each body part's movement. I really liked James' one but because it was all shot head-on I couldn't see what was happening with his knees. Were they both pushing forward on heel-side turns, and both pushing towards each other on toe-side ones? To reiterate, I've loved all your videos and have learned a lot already, I just think that showing your body position at each part of the turn from a couple of angles while discussing what's happening would be very useful. Thanks from London
Sorry, I simply disagree. My footage is low quality as in phone + screen recording, but otherwise.... one frame is a 30th of a second! What micro movement could possibly happen in between two 30th of a second?
James is demonstrating a riding position. A general, stable position. I'm demonstrating how you then use this position in every phase of the turn, where the position changes and the timing of it. All of this requires all the forces of a turn, which I can't simulate in a room.... This video shows me from every possible angle, and that in each turn! There's heel turns from behind, in front, above and below - same for toe turns.
I'm not sure what could possibly be added other than simply better, more close up footage.
It is dynamic! You shouldn't try to learn something dynamic from a static demonstration!
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Hi, I didn't mean to upset you, and your points are very valid. I just thought that an alternative approach to discussing what should be happening eg with your ankles, which way your knees should point for each turn, where your weight should be at each part of the turn etc while you're standing in front of the camera, would complement your existing videos. As an example, in the above video you talk about how a duck stance would make it difficult to get your back knee forward. You could actually demonstrate the problem if you were inside and not strapped to a board. What we see in your videos is the perfect form, but not the mistakes that people like me commonly make ("if you do this then this will happen" etc) But if you don't think it's a good idea, then hey, it's your channel. I'll continue to watch everything that you put out regardless.
@@peterkendall1687 sorry, didn’t mean to come across upset!
I’ve done videos on stances. Two of them show exactly what you’re asking about. Maybe that’s why I’m confused…
Snowboard Stances Part #3/3: Double posi & snowboard carving technique
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Snowboard Stances Part #2/3: Duck Stance
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@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel think I've watched them but will take another look
@@peterkendall1687 I think in particular the duck thing is coming out of those videos. But I also find it beyond obvious in this very one here. Both knees pointing forwards....... Just imagine your back toes pointing to the tail! I'm not sure you'll get an even better idea with me standing on a yoga mat than what you see through this turn that I pause when you can see me from the side.
Maybe we're just misunderstanding each other, because I can't figure out what you think is not visible and logical enough. I'll check again and try to do better. Thanks for the input!
This is just golden Lars. Perfectly explaining every part of the turn. If you got more to tell about it, pleeeaaase do!
Don’t know if your technique changes a lot with your other boards, but would love to see you on the Cheater. I noticed in my last trip that the nose tend to chatter when it isn’t perfect groomers anymore.. Then my Dart feels a bit better.. Do you experience that as well?
Both turns or just heel side?
Hello, great video
Can You recommend , which Stranda board to buy? I am 102kg weight and 192cm tall, intermediate level...
Spend about 20 days on snow per season....
Thank you
Simbad
Boot size? What kind of riding?? Groomers? Pow? Freestyle?
Boot size is 46, groomers, pow from time to time...
Thank you
@@ssttsstt5288 do prefer stability and smoothness in your ride, or nimble, explosive maneuverability?
I prefer explosive maneuverability
@@ssttsstt5288 get a Burton! But understand that explosive pop comes with lack of dampening. Stranda is all about smoothness. The energy put into the boards comes back, but simply slower. Keeps everything much more controlled.