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Man, more than the age up, what pissed me and probably a lot more fans was Bendis' reaction.
He was acting as if we were all a bunch of idiots, and the story about Jon growing up and becoming his own person would be lame and boring, and he said "he was sorry that he didn't think Jon playing games and going through school would be cool". Hey Bendis, imagine if someone came in the middle of your ultimate spider-man run, aged Peter Parker up 30 years and then gave it back to you. How would you like it?
What an asshole.
Im ok on criticizing on Bendi's work but don't get butt hurt to the point where you start swearing or disrespecting him as if he has done the "worst" decision on his life, GROW UP.
At nycc I met Tomasi and told him how much I loved his Superman. I gestured to my girlfriend and said something along the lines of "Ive ranted to her alot about how good it was". She acknowledged and then said " oh ya, this is the one where you were saying that other guy took over and messed everything up". The look on Tomasis face was priceless, I felt so bad but she did not understand the context 😂
I also want to say that one of the biggest missed opportunities with Bendis's age up of Jon is the fact that Jon was not traumatized and scared of his own father. Like he should be actually terrified cause he was basically held hostage by a doppelgänger of his father and it would be hard to differentiate the two in his mind.
Yeah, like, it's why a lot of the father's son family scenes in Son of Kal-el and Dark Crisis that they just keep giving Jon with and Clark & Lois don't feel real, they should not be that close.
No, I don't want Jonathan to be damaged beyond relief like Red Hoodd and Cassandra Cain with their parents but should at least be awkward.
Clark and Lois should not know how to talk to and relate to their son, and he should not really want to talk to them, but know that he should. Maybe he resents them for letting him leave and leaving him the way they did because he was only a kid. It wasn't their intention, but still.
But it's not about making Jon character make sense. No, it's about "making Jon the new Superman." Whether or not it actually works.
"I'm the man of tomorrow. You are for the days after."
Take the legacy, I basically gave you off panel, Captain Nepotism
"From the time I was a kid, I always recognized my dad's heartbeat." HUG and embrace the man who looks exactly like the guy who tortured me for his years and is actually responsible for me being in that situation.
I mean aside from getting big reactions from us comic readers what did Bendis actually do to the Superman mythos?
Someone needs to further explore Jon’s time in captivity
@Anthony Bergamini I don't want that, I hate that that shit Bendis BS is part of his life now. He was a happy boy who just enjoyed being a hero he didn't need a tramatic back story that's literally what Damian was for.
@@WannabeWryter I just think that needs to be explored since it happened. It just seems too important to have been glossed over too long. I’d prefer if it never happened but it’s part of continuity now.
I hate to “Um actually” you guys, but the Mr. Oz is Jor-El reveal was Before Bendis came to the title. I believe it was Jurgens in his Action Comics run
Yeah, in classic bendis fashion, He just took the Jor-el is alive and doesn't like Earth plotline and completely ignored the part where he was being mind controlled and didn't actually feel that way.
Bendis got rid of the supersons.
Bendis story should have been elseworld story
Seems like Everything in DC is an Elseworld story for the last 20 years.
@@saturncrush fuck bendis
Sal's point about writers not caring about characters and refusing to future proof/think about implications is such a succinct way of communicating my issues with a lot of Big 2 books and stories
I hate to say it, but even the 👀 C̷o̷m̷i̷c̷s̷G̷a̷t̷e̷ community would argue that's most of the problem.
Just gonna add that not every Superfam character has the same powers now. Jon has the electric blue powers, Kenan has Qi manipulation, Clark is just OP now lol, etc.
Also, yeah, Sal and Benny are missing out. The Warworld saga is legit one of the greatest new superman stories written and them being dogmatic and stubborn in a weird way about not reading it.
Superman not adopting two orphan kids from a world from which they were enslaved and tortured is basic superman.
How many robins does batman have, and how many of them have ended up dead at least once?
Kenan's powersets are entirely different. He is more into a mythical side. Each of the characters have a different personality. The kids are entirely different, hell-one of them is a new god.
This is the natural evolution of superman as a character-going from a planetary protector to being in an intergalactic level and becoming a symbol which is known throughout the universe. Makes sense for a being with his powerset. Unlike batman, who is supposed to be a street level hero but has travelled through time through the evolution of man and shit.
I will say that Jon Kent being into environmental and geopolitical issues feels authentic to (late) teenagers today. So many are invested in these issues (and rightly so) so having a Superboy/Superman who is as well just makes sense as he was raised with the belief that "if you can help, you have to help".
Grant Morrison’s Action Comics is the best Superman run. It should be a fan favorite.
I think that Superman really came off as a champion of the oppressed in a way few iterations do. Grant Morrison knocked it out of the park!
I also actually like the political slant to Jon Kent’s book, because it felt like a return to the original Superman’s roots as a political superhero in the Golden Age. He is after all the Man of Tomorrow
Warworld was amazing, but it’s crazy how little they read Superman yet how much they want changed. The two kids being adopted is perfect for his character and let’s him explore his dad side that kinda got taken away from us besides the alternative is Superman leaving 2 parentless children behind
I honestly love Action Comics currently. Philip Kennedy Johnson knows how to write Superman as seen in his WarWorld arc. Plus he's undoing or improving a lot of stuff that many people hated from Bendis's run. It's honestly great and I love the new focus on family.
Ps. Y'all should read War World. It's great and it's basically Conan the Barbarian Superman edition
I am still pissed that bendis ruined everything with the superman family and aged up my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy for bullshit reasons just because he wanted his horrible legion of superheroes book which failed badly and to make it worse we lost my favorite team the super sons. Which sucks because I loved that team Super sons with Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self and Damian Wayne robin going on fun adventures and saving the day, and to see that still gone breaks my heart into a million pieces because that team was amazing and tons of fun.
I wanna hear more about Tevya's idea. I have zero dog in the fight with Superboy but I like that. Jon-3 being the son of Ultraman would be interesting. Maybe even he forms a team of Titans that will go to Earth-3 to fight the good, unwinnable fight.
These stretches of video catered to just comic books have been super helpful. Please keep it up guys! It's helping me decide what comics to buy or follow
Just want to add to those saying you should give the Warworld Saga a shot. It has some clunky bits (ooh, another lost race of secret super-people!), but overall it just feels very classic Superman. Mongul always makes a great villain, and the contrast with Clark's pacifism shines. The Authority characters are mostly used well, and the whole story has a nice build to it. But what got me, and actually finally sold me on the older Jon, was the emotion in the issue when they finally reunite.
I think it will play better as a binge-read, and hope you guys give it a shot (and make a video letting us know what you think, of course).
Pre-Flashpoint Superman was only simultaneous with New 52 Superman during the New 52. Once Rebirth started New 52 Superman had already died.
Warworld saga was actually great. I would recommend!
bibbo was brought back in the animated universe....owned a bar or something
Bendis Came!
If Sal was to speak these FACTS on twitter they'd call him every word in the book cause I can see how someone can twist his words into thinking he said "new characters suck" where he actually said "maybe we should think about this before making this massive character change".
Speaking from no personal Twitter experience, I suspect they'd throw a bag over his head labelled ComicsGate and beat him senseless.
@@Draliseth unfortunately accurate
@@shiningnight12 not even close. Because Sal actually explains his talking points and is willing to have a discussion. He is also able to have a change in opinion. He may get push-back (as is the case with any discussion), he may have people dislike him, he may even get hate mobs because twitter is a shithole that gives a voice to all manner of scum. But he's not even recognizable to be labled as your average comicsgater. Those gaggle of idiots are very diffrent to what Sal is. Because Sal's not using his opinions to disguise an overall message of hating minorites, or sending his braindead followers after another creator by exploiting easily manipulated angry dorks. Which is what most comicgators do. The most prominent figures in that bowel movement are either gamergate cast-offs looking for another dopamine hit because their lives are that miserable. Or dickhead creatives who took the idea of a good cause as a cover to lure in an easy cult of disgruntled morons.
They are not the same.
The new Superman family…no capes except for big blue now it’s all about the jackets
Flash family just has a great dynamic with one another.
John Kent's boyfriend dyes his hair with pink kryptonite. Bam! Continuity fixed!
When Superman died in the 90s I took my nephew to his funeral that was held at the local library. Wonder Woman, Batman and others were there.
"I refuse to camp because the Army made it no fun." I told my Dad that and he said "Yep, same with the Boy Scouts" 🤣
Sal talking about de aging John is giving me flashbacks to the mess of The New Xmen finally returning to their timeline
Tbh I’ve really enjoyed what I read of the Infinite Frontier Superman stuff and I’m happy that they’re finally doing a more classic Clark Kent Superman book with an incredible creative team while continuing the stuff from Infinite Frontier with PKJ’s Action Comics and Taylor’s adventures of Superman. I also really love what Josh Williamson said at NYCC about Superman leading the line for Dawn of DC. Imo the family of Tomorrow should always be front and center
2:02 that's comic fandom in a nutshell. What repels one fan becomes another's new favorite thing
From what I hear PKJ's Superman is actually great.
I thought you guys were going to talk about The Warworld Saga. It's really good.
Here’s an idea: Lois and Clark can always have another child.
The real Jon being on Earth 3 that is a wonderful idea. Or at least I think so. Honestly Superman using time travel to save John would be a perfect way to do it even if John knew that order for him to become the person saw he would have to go back into the portal. My concept was that we actually go to where John was and we watch as he grows up going through this sort of thing maybe he actually gets rescued by the Legion of super-heroes which helped train him to use his superpowers before he makes it back to Earth
Power woman is also on the new super team as well. As a back up with the og titan omen
Looks like a pretty fucking solid lineup. Giving Jon Ultraman as a nemesis is great, along with a unique power set to set him apart from Clark. Couple that with a sequel to Lois and Clark and readers really are getting the best of both worlds. Plus, the Warworld kids sticking around still leaves room for Dad Clark. Beyond excited that DC is tapping into the strength of the Super-family and the interesting directions you can take these stories.
14:16 superman family
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"Oh no why is everyone running in"!! "Oh yeah that's what we do" 😂😅😂😅
Don't forget in Sideways they brought back New 52 Supes for some reason
You forgot to mention newly psychic powered Power Girl!
15:21 spider man family
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14:51 batman family
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I kind of like Greg Pak Superman. The earlier stuff with his apartment block was fun.
Both Action & Superman were great during that Tomasi era. Like seriously. I was a fan of Grant Morrison’s action, & when I was a kid in the 90’s Superman was the best to me, especially the electric blue era. But when we got that story of Jor-El coming back from whatever The Button caused, I just on hard there. We got cool stuff like Superman getting possessed by Paralax even. It was a cool time for Superman, especially when looking at it now post Bendis .
Rebirth Superman plus the post-Convergence series before Rebirth was the most fun I ever had reading Superman. Granted part of it was because it was Superman BEFORE New 52, and it was nice to have a character who remembers things before they….fucked it all up.
I love the idea of Jon being Bi. I wish we had all the stories before.
Him being bi is only a problem because it makes him being an adult permanent (or as permanent as you can get in comics without a retocn punch to the face) and the fact that the relationship with Jay wreekes of tokenism and marketing instead of a genuine character discovery done through crushes of other ya heroes.
Jon as a bi superboy discovering himself on the teen titans would have been better then " hi pink hair, you new stuff is cool, wanna make out, smile for our cover shot"
@Will N Tom Taylor's literally said the only reason he did made Jon buy was because there weren't a lot of Bi characters. As a Bisexual man my self I can tell you it's never just a thing, It's a part of you that grows and develops.
Not something you discover and embracr in between the panels so that the writer can get some unearned spotlight and few more issues and attention on his book and his portrayal of Jon
(Both would have probably died around issie 8 because Son of Kal-el was boring on top of being pointless)
True development and growth is something Jon will never have now because DC writers Have skipped over and fast tracked him twice to force him into adulthood and then shoved him into the front lines of so many events that hes basically a full fledged Nightwing for Superman Now
Minus The fun history and personality that makes a character like Nightwing
Work.
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I'd say Jon calling somebody Kitty is out of character between Bendis and Tom Taylor. I don't know what his character is anymore. No one does, and they've changed it and him too much. However, one come thread is no one seems to like how Tom Taylor writes him, making him a stoic board that gives annoying speeches and talks too much.
Jay has more for personality than Jon in his own series, and I could care less about pink hair.
I will never see Jonathan as any as a Superman, a Bi-Icon, or a Real Character anymore
He was my favorite, but DC, They've ruined him. 😔
( I know Tom Taylor's planning in many series it's gonna explain Jon's inbetween years but considering hes the one who screwed up Jon more after Bendis, I'm not excited for it)
@Will N It will be controversial, of course, but if done right and wicked cruel, it could work. Jon is no longer the fun innocent kid he used to be might as well traumatized him more.
they're going to do have to go full comic book craziness, we're talking either:
Jay wanted to use Jon and somehow found out what Pink Krptonite does.
Lex luthor created Jay as a meta life form with Pink Krptonite hair specifically to get close to the New Superman just to f*ck with him.
Pink Krptonite doesn't " Make you Gay"
It does, however, increase the feelings of physical desire and emotional pleasure. If I wanted to have your son kissing a house plant. Or, maybe it you boys rides the rainbow who knows" was real who know" "Whyyy!!!" " Your father's Skip over our Conner for you, a boy who grew to a man in under a month. And suddenly was everywhere, I had to see what all the fuss was about. Gotta say I was rather disappointed jon, you good for a laugh. But you're too green jonathan you'll never be rival your father was."
Oh well, like any failed experiment. You gotta start fresh and wipe away to board" (Snaps his fingers Jay disintegrates) " Jayyyy!!!"
"Lex giveth and lex tak ith away"
OR Go even farther
Jon's a clone too. The entire age up was just a big scheme, Lex, to screw with Clark
" You gave your legacy to a clone, and not even the right one, hahahahah."
@Will N Uh that's too much. I prefer WTF mind f*ckery over ... a step away from Body Horror.
It was a cute joke in that criminally underrated show but nah.
Although I did have a super sons fusion idea we're basically pink kryptonite increases the bond Kryptonians or physical connection with other life forms.
And if the bond is close enough they perform a Stephen universe like fusion which gives them extra powers.
Damian and Jon become DamiJon and over the course of the story, All of the superbat pairings fuse for a fight
Tim and Connor. Jason and Bizarro, Barbara and Kara. Huntress and Powergirl, Bruce and Clark.
Thought it be fun.
@Will N I glad, I finally found Somebody who sees Jimmy olsen as dick grace and Superman equivalent.
He's been around just as long and they did have that relationship prior to the crisis.
Frankly I think Jimmy also should have been the new Superman not aged up Jonathan who they just Keep putting next nightwing like their equals and buddy's.
It I could, I'm make Jimmy Flame bird (phenoix force) or the new electric blue Superman ( Another dumb thing they're forcing onto Jon into)
Unlike Clark Jimmy is to be a bit of a Rascal and had a weird morality. He knows what it's like to be vulnerable.
Maybe these new powers Let him imbue other with power but he's reckless with it and Clark has a problem, and Jimmy is sick of being treated like a child when he's (whatever age Dick Grayson is)
Also what was the end fusions? Idea you had.
Yeah, Superman Reborn was 100% a Crisis and it made everyone remember the missing years Dr. Manhattan had taken. It nixed nearly everything from the New 52 (I *think* at the same time Milk Wars was happening in the Young Animal series and that also helped reboot things a little).
No lies told about the Army and camping. I will never go camping because all the damn field time lol.
The only thing I like about new 52 is the relationship between Clark Kent and Diana Prince.
Dude my main problem with the superman family is that every character looks the same and I get super confused 😂
I love how much the Super-family is growing and being pushed right now! Who remembers Christopher Kent Pre-crisis? I really thought they were gonna bring him back and he was one of the twins. Maybe eventually haha.
Superman even got a power up that might put the Goku v Superman debates to bed 😂
I can see comics are heading into a manga-like state In regards to power systems.
Elaborate on that plz? Like example of power scaling that resembles manga in western comics
“Chris Kent” came back as Lor-Zod during Rebirth, either in Superman or in Super Sons. So he’s still in play, DC just hasn’t touched him since then because Bendis arrived 😂
If the fans and higher-ups won't let these characters age, die, change, mature, grow old, turn evil, have life altering events matter, or become legacy identities that are passed down, then having a whole family of heroes who meet every fans taste or interpretation is the only way forward. Anyone who complains that it's "watering down" a specific hero, needs to either learn to live with it and accept that continuity does not matter at all, that these characters are forever static, like folk stories, greek myths, or pulp heroes like the Shadow and that each writer can do whatever they want in their runs without having to "put the toys back in the box". Or just let these heroes die already and let another generation come in and let time move forward already.
@@panduh_go_crazy-.-9957 Sure thing!
Not powerscaling but power systems. Think Nen or Haki, we’ve always had multiple power sources in comics, however only recently did comics kinda start connecting them and putting them in order. Like the 7 Crisis energies in Death Metal and some of the Stuff going on with Jon Stewart and the new gods in GL right now I think is related to Superman’s new powers.
@@dn22pkkdd476 I agree with you 100% Fans especially. Like when people complain about the Bat family 😂 Batman hasn’t been a loner in Over 20 YEARS. People need to take off the nostalgia glasses
Yeah my most angriest I had been in a long time was when all this work in the Superman books were building to Doomsday Clock. Jor El being whisked aways after Clark Smashes the OZ Staff and then is transported away but being full of woeful regretful of the actions his vessel had done in his cure of life but as being a servant not of his own mind. And Then like a Wrecking Ball he just brings back Jor EL as whatever and aftereverything that just happen Clark and Lois Let Jon go with him nothing no hesitation it was just I felt sorry for Jurgens at least he got to wrap some threads in Green Lantern at the very end got Generations and Fixed Nightwing.
I really like the idea of the aged-up Jon being actually Ultraman's son. Sadly I think it's a little late to retcon what Bendis did to Jon, but I'll always a little hope.
Engagement and interaction with creator to please the mathemagics that choses what gets seen or not.
Loved the video but, seriously, I can't believe you listed all the Superman Family and left off Power Girl! She and Supergirl are teaming up right now in Lazarus Planet. Also big kudos for the correct pronunciation of Mr. Mxyzptlk's name.
Connor needs the jacket and the t-shirt.
Can I get more Krypto??
I LIVE for Benny's tangents 🤣
I'll add that not, everything, about Bendis' run was forgotten. His Superman story had an arc where the space races formed the United Planets, kinda like the UN of space and that's still the status quo for the space based comics, mostly Green Lantern.
Mind you, we haven't had a new GL book since the Infinite Frontier one ended, but still.
Otherwise I 100% agree with all the Bendis' criticisms.
Love the comic discussions
The post crisis superman living in the new 52 universe in secret with Lois and Jon and him helping out in secret was great.
Rebirth, shortly after was also great, then doing one of the quickest retcons in history and making him two supermen that needed to merge was where it then got silly.
Don't forget Dan Jurgans was doing a great job on action comics which also covered Clark with Jon.
Bendis was the one completely ruin it all.
You said they all have super strength but Conner actually doesn't, he has tactile telekinesis and won't shut up about it
Convergence was a serious introduced classic Superman in The New 52 and it didn't end because it wasn't working with 10 issue series on purpose was a mechanism to do just that to to remove the New 52 Superman and replace him with the modern classic it also allowed an idea that created conditions for Lois to be able to give birth to Jonathan Kent. You would think if two people are going to make a video on the origins of Superman and the evolution of the Superman family that that would be a a pivotal point in their discussion.
Yeah I think the easiest solution to Jon is make him from another Earth or timeline, I think it would be funny if he was New 52 Superboy who got jealous that Jon was the real son of Superman or something and took his place, meanwhile kid Jon is on another Earth or being tortured by Bar Torr or some shit.
Batman are gonna Comeback from baneworld with two new orphans
Absolutely Marvel & DC ! I'll never get over the heroic opening theme.
We used our Martian Manhunter training and psychic Shields installed into our brains like apps on our batwere to protect us so we know your secret and are safe. You know if Lex Luthor really wanted to block out knowledge of Superman's identity and so forth he could have just used Hector Hammond like in the jail a storyline. Hector Hammond broke through everyone's defenses and made them forget the Justice League of America existed then try to remind people of the JLA but was stopped by the alien to ask him to make people forget in the first place.
DC and Marvel having a short supply of editors? *Looks at how they don't pay people properly
I wOnDeR wHy?
I watch the 40 minutes trying to figure out what was going on with Superman in Dawn of DC.... I'm still not sure
I'm honestly excited to see where they take this One More Day'd Superman. Yes that is what I'm calling this era. If it going to put more emphasis on the family aspects, might as well will Fantastic Four this and go all the way.
I'm excited for this new Action Comics run! I was intrigued by the idea of the Superman Family gaining more prominence so I decided I wanted to jump on. I really enjoyed #1050, and it was also the first time I learned that apparently Superman has had his identity public for a long time. And I read plenty of DC stuff, it's just never come up somehow. But yeah, this'll be the first time I've followed a mainline Superman run. I appreciate the big, blue boyscout a lot, I've just never felt drawn to reading much of his stuff. Though I did like Superman and the Authority.
There is a "prelude" to the War World Saga storyline that sees Jon & Superman fight extradimensional aliens and contact with these aliens causes Kal-El's cells to stop absorbing solar energy so Superman is secretly getting both progressively weaker & older this leads to Kal-El forming a new version of The Authority in a miniseries called Superman & The Authority and it's in that book where The War World Saga truly begins
We always see the Chinese Super-Man and Flash hanging out with their counterparts but not the Chinese Bat-Man or Wonder-Woman. Also if they're really going to have this many different Superman and Flashes and Wonder Woman and etc they really got to figure out better ways to differentiate the power sets from each other like how Miles and Peter do
Facts, and SuperSons was Awesome!!
im so glad they brought back Kenan i really like his book when it was coming out and where the writers took the character hopfully they continue his stroy and not just make he a cameo only sad thing about everyone they showed there was on powergirl would really like them to acknowledge they she is part of the famiy
The biggest problem I always had with the big players was; That there was too many comics on one singular character, so what do I start on? And what about crossovers from DC >< Marvel? What is considered cannon and what is not, so I don't waste my time on them?
At this point in my life I just go with the cartoons and movies as cannon and if I find a character interesting, then I look into it. :/
It's so hard to get into comics
Honestly I’ve been saying for years that both Marvel and Dc need a hard reset like all series starting at #1
I'm really looking forward to this direction of Superman. Like both you I fell off when Bendis took over but I'm back on board. My only wish is that John Henry Irons was still Steel.
I'm suprised the Green Arrow family came out before this one.😂
Only bit I am not sure about in the revamp is the powering up as someone who remembers when the potential for stories suffered when Superman was Soooo powerful before Byrne.
I love the earth-3 Jon idea but I think it would have to be that he doesn’t know he is Ultra Man’s son until young Jon returns (and young Jon was just travelling back from his Joe-El trip rather than tortured).
On the Flash front, that family really works in the start of One Minute War - enjoyed that.
The meeting of the Supermen and the ripple effect about who they all are and came to be could be the “Existential Crisis” Tiffany mentioned!! Not much action and a lot of talking and introspection though 🤔
Also fully behind all the love for Peter Tomasi
Excited we keep getting these comic discussions
I have to admit, I liked the Bendis era LofSH
Should be Earth 3 Jor El, too. They ruined Jor El.
I am absolutely loving the current Action Comics, feels more like traditional and inspirational Superman, I can’t wait for what happens next with Dawn of DC.
@absolutecomics
DC actually had a storyline in place, that would have de aged Jon, back to his regular age,when the writers put Jor-El, back to her a regular timeline. But Jurgens never got to do it, because if the Son of Kal-El book and the plot of it
What happened to Kon-el ? New 52 Superboy
I think he's dead.
You know the whole death The Return of Superman was probably the first time I've seen a Legacy character setup that worked without actually getting rid of the main character. Don't get me wrong I loved Wally West flash especially since he was the flash when I got old enough to start reading comics. Barry Allen had died shortly before I enter preschool so Wally West was the flash I grew up with except for the TV show which made me have to look up hey who is this Barry Allen person? I'm talking about the 1990s Flash TV show not the current cw-1. It's funny how to the greatest events to happen in comics happen in my lifetime when I was too young to read or go to school. 1984 and 1985 I believe. The original Secret Wars and the original crisis on infinite Earths
I love the new 52 superboy storyline
I actually Superman reveal of his identity honestly
I'm pretty morbidly curious about what happened with Mr Oz and how Jon aged up and Clark's identity being outed.
It seems like everyone hated Bendis and refused to talk about it, and I never read it, but now it's a gaping section in my understanding of the continuity (however messy it was).
Still confused about how Doctor Manhattan tied into the continuity with Doomsday clock too.
The main point people take away from Doomsday Clock, I think at least in terms of Superman, is that writers can write Ma and Pa Kent again.
I think I'm going to start reading superman again
This relaunch looks good, and I’m pretty excited for it…I’m not thrilled about Powergirl’s redesign though. DC’s writers need to stop making weird changes to her character.
Older, experienced, bigger, version of Supergirl. Throw in some drama about being from another universe, and there you go. You don’t “need” to change a bunch of stuff, just because you haven’t read stories with her in them before. A good writer works around that.
Her classic outfit is as iconic to the character as Superman’s hair curl or red cape is to him.
The mxyzptlk thing was essentially a Superman equivalent of Flashpoint. Or at least what flashpoint was supposed to be. In fact the original flashpoint was just one comic from a run the flash from like the 1970s it was a alternate Universe thing.
i hope they bring mon el back in the sup family.
You really missed out on The War World Saga it's a pretty good story and when it releases in TBP it will be AMAZING
The Warworld stuff is pretty cool starts off from Superman and the Authority and maybe something a little bit before that because they were talking about that during the war world stuff
If I am doing the Super Family, Clark is the main Superman of Earth does all classic Superman roles and leads the JL, Supergirl goes more space and deep Kryptonian things since she is the only one raised Kryptonian, Jon I think should double down on his environmental thing, it makes him distinct from his dad. Let him be the hippie superman that fights to end world hunger. Connor is tricky, I think he works best as apart of a team of some sort, lean into the edge that Connor has been characterized with as of late. Let Chinese Superman do his thing, it works and made sense. Finally let the kids not headline their own series, but let them basically team up with earthbound Super Family members throughout Action Comics, but mainly Clark
Yeah, the environmental Social Justice Superman thing, for Jon kent, was never a thing before Tom Taylor made it up and forced it on him.
The Social Justice Superhero angle doesn't work for Jon has 0 conncetion or history to it, it just felt like Tom Taylor preaching Unlike characters with actaul history like someone like green arrow, captain america, swamp thing, or icon and rocket.
Frankly is would work better for Clark Kent, whose an actual reporter and knows stuff I oppsed to teenager whose been sent everywhere from thr multiverse to future, Before being handed the most important mantle in the planet.
Frankly, I'd distance Jon as far as you can from the crappy changes Bendis and Tom Taylor's forced into him because neither are the fun Supersons that actually made the character actually likable and popular.
@@WannabeWryter it only works if you approach it from a non preachy angle yeah, similar to like Atom Eve did in Invincible. Less talking, more doing. Every story is workable, you just need a writer with the skill to do it. A Superman who primarily focuses on social and humanitarian aid instead of crime fighting can't be hard to do, hell, Clark did it in his heyday.
And I don't think you need to have a history in something to show interest in it.
@G-Luke Perhaps, but it came out of left field for Jon, especially Since considering his history there was no reason for him to know any of that stuff and He mostly just gave stotic mature speeches that never sounded more like Tom Taylor was preaching. Instead of the fun emotional character that he used to be before, everything about him was changed for the worse. (Saved the 🏳️🌈, but screw Mr. Pink hair).
also, Jon didn't really Do anything that different from Clark (another problem Tom Taylormade him a YA clark clone) At the end of the day because Superman as a character will go as far as he needs to for any one who needs it no matter the situation. So saying that Jon goes farther and does more for situations doesn't really work.
They often have to make Clark look more passive and saying " Well son that's what I've always done, but if you and your 2 years of hero experience wanna go farther feel free, there's literally been hundreds of stories about why Superman only does so much because due to the nature of comics there are certain issues that you could fix but never will be allowed to Like climate change"
Having a guy with Blizzard breath standing in front of a climate change rally looks really stupid.
@@WannabeWryter yh I agree with that, and I also agree that the protest thing looks dumb, protests are for people who lack the power to do otherwise. I still think there is a good middle ground here, even if it's not busting up chemical plants and protesting trees being chopped down, I think a humanitarian lean is the right idea for Jon yk, and it wouldn't and shouldn't take long for someone like Jon to be up to speed on matters of the earth, and u underestimate what even his young self may be aware of, but didn't have that attitude to act on. All of this to say, humanitarian Jon is cool,Tom Taylor just mucked it up by turning it into a preach pen
I miss new 52 Superman 😔. The no red trunks.. (sigh)
Is Power Girl not a thing anymore? Didnt Supergirl get clone?
Power Girl is getting a back up in Action Comics starting with #1051
Jon aging up just wasn't handled well. Why they didn't make Conner Kent the new Superman I'll never know. I do want those sick jackets the Superman Family now all have.
Good question I wonder about that as well especially since you had Conner Kent right there to become the new Superman and leave Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy alone as his little 10 year old self.
You should do a video on your military service.
I've always wanted a story about where the Superman family works together.
But after they aged up, doubled down and ruined Jon Kent, trying and failing to narratively force his status from a Kid Damian Wayne to 2nd in command nightwing.
I don't want anything to do with it now. Electric Blue ain't helping.
Every time I see adult Jon, I just think, "No, go away and bring up the version I like. I don't care how many moments DC gives you. You're not Jon. You're not Superman"