Last summer when I was replacing a metal roof in my rental, I had my xdt16 while my buddy had his fuel. He kept bragging about how much more powerful his fuel was, but by the end of the day, he would reach for the Makita. Point is, smoothness, comfort, and features outweigh the slight power increase
Yup, thats why I bought a the Fuel Surge Hydraulic impact hammer over the standard Milwaukee Fuel impact when it came to using it daily, Its smooth, quieter, and more comfortable to use over my head which is what how it was always going to be use and I didnt need the stronger impacts for the screws id be using anyway. Though i found myself wishing it did have more power when i tired to use it to take off some lug bolts from a car once, I know it wasnt the tool for the job but, it would have been nice.
More control with the xdt16. I found the 2853 high rpms can make it frustrating. That thing is so easy to use full force and then you're spinning the bit in the screw head.
XDT19z paired with a 2.0 Makita battery is a match made in heaven. Lightweight and compact like a 12v, smooth as silk usage, and 18v capacity with a 5.0 battery. I’m a believer.
I have both XDT16 LXT impact and the first gen XGT Makita impact. Their impacts feel like surgeon scalpels. Just super well balanced and a pleasure to use.
i have the xdt16 as well its great i roofed 15 carports with self tappers in one day with it. I do not see that being great with the dewault 850 or milwaukee even tbh.
Dewalt is interesting (and coming from someone is highly invested in the yellow brand). They make some tools that are just amazing! And then others that make you wonder why they bothered releasing an update. I’m willing to bet there are some heads of departments in dewalt engineering that differ greatly on what they demand of their teams.
It's ok but I have tested it against the 840 and they are About the same but the 5 amp Power Stack does give it more Power I'm Surprised they did not try it with the 5 amp power stack
@@melvingibson4525 Just as an FYI, most Milwaukee tools are still manufactured in China. Milwaukee Tools is also owned by the Chinese electronics giant TTI. Milwaukee does seem to be pushing for more "Made In USA" manufacturing, but they are literally in the same boat as Dewalt tools. This being said, Milwaukee doesn't have as bad of a track record of releasing random useless tools like the DCF845.
I found the makita by coincidence, a store had it on clearance for AUD$200 for some reason, bloody love it, especially the speed switch button just above the grip
All these impact drivers are now to the point of max power that’s allowed through that tiny hex collet. I think rather than just sheer beans you really need to take weight, length, trigger pull, and vibration into account a little bit more on your scoring system. They all do the job of an impact driver, now which one is the best, not the most powerful
That's a good point. Impact drivers need to do a whole decathlon of jobs, but it seems all we're measuring anymore is how much they can bench press. At this point they're all pretty strong and strength isn't everything.
@@joshuaewalker It is nice to know though if you are putting in large deck screws how much power they have. I converted from Ryobi to Milwaukee and I am blown away with how much easier everything is with the crazy power Red puts up. I have used my impact driver to take my trucks lug nuts off and happily didn't snap the adapter. Granted it doesn't take 10 seconds to do that, so that is likely why it didn't snap- kinda cool it can do it though.
@@docj8257 It's more important now with the subcompact models but even the DCF850 has a crazy amount of power. Judging how good an impact is today is a lot more about ergonomics, weight, size, settings, options, and quality of life improvements.
I have the third gen Milwaukee but I find I enjoy using a Makita more. When I picked up my co-workers Makita for the first time i was blown away by the trigger control. makes it much easier and comfortable to drive sheet metal screws.
Lets get your subscriber count up, and maybe companies will stop listening to marketing BS and actually improve their tools before asking us to buy new ones... Another great video, thank you for letting me purchase the 850 instead of the 845!
Torque isnt the only metric though, its easy to make an impact driver that will break every 1/4" bit but such a tool isnt useful. Its about time we demand that all tools are made like Makita XGT drivers - same rpm, ipm and torque with full battery and with 1 bar left on the battery, consistent throughout the working day.
@@pflaffik I get your point, and the guys do say its a good tool. I guess I was just looking for a better curve given the claims of increased speed, torque, etc. Tired of having to double-check every claim tool makers have by coming here or PF, etc. to check.
@@pflaffik Good comment, however a lot of DeWalt tools will run the tool same speed right down to when the battery/ tool shuts down. This was the promise of LiOn tools, but not all of them do. As with anyhting, YMMV. I am not a Dewalt fan boi, as I own and use nearly all brands. DeWalt has always been known to run the tools hard, to the detriment of the batteries. The old NiCad batteries never could keep up with the tools. Take care
Great video as always TTC! I can't wait to see what the newest 40v Makita TD002 DST impact driver puts up at only $170 from Japan it's definitely worth a shot. The original 40v Makita GDT01 impact driver was a big let down no doubt.
The GDT01 was only the best, for those who actually use their tools. Torque numbers on an impact driver is too useless, my most used impact is 220 in.Lbs, super weak but by far the most useable impact driver i ever had my hands on. Still love the GDT01 though, a precision instrument with no competition in its class, battery life with smallest XGT battery is unbelievable. Too superior in real life.
@@pflaffik you're right but from a strictly torque standpoint which is all this channel benchmarks it was very underwhelming even compared to both of the 18v Makita's on the Impact driver list.
@@pflaffik who makes a 220 in-lbs impact driver? I can't even think of hydraulic impact drivers with such numbers. Torque matters once you cross the threshold of 2 or 3 inches deck screws. RPMs and IPMs can only take you that far without torque to keep sinking those screws in.
When you brought up the nice trigger on the Makita, it reminded me of how much that matters on an impact. I got the DCF850 for $100 and it is a tiny beast. The power was unreal for its small size. That being said, I hated using it because it was such a blunt use of power. It stripped everything out if I wasn't super careful before I started in on the meat of the screw. The extra half second it saved on a 4" screw wasn't worth all the trouble when starting all the screws. The Makita TD172 is a dream in this respect and I gladly trade the small power increase and accessibility for the tightest of spaces of the 850 for the better user experience of the Makita. Another reason to buy the Japanese impact is the build quality and components inside are slightly better than the US version. One point against it is that the bit chamber is made for 13mm impact bits rather than 8/9mm, so your bits swim in there without an adapter.
Don't know if you're into makita. I have a 850 but for 1/2 - 3/4 wood using screws I always use my subcompact 18v makita. Small screws, thin wood you can have too much power
@@gipsasl yes too much power and not much finesse. for cabinet making I would stick with a drill or maybe the M12 hydraulic which is very quiet but has plenty of power for that application. On the DeWalt side I'd go with their 12v impact or installation driver.
@@plsreleasethekraken Thanks, appreciate your opinion. I'll probably go with the DeWalt 12v impact and see how I get on. I'll probably buy the DCF 850 eventually but don't want to spend too much money in one go.
@@gipsasl I have no personal experience with it, but I do know a cabinetmaker who likes that new DeWalt installation driver because of the attachments (90 degree, offset). He said those are a life saver for certain screw positions.
I like watching your videos. These impact drivers have gotten so powerful they twist off the 1/4 socket adapters. I don't use it enough to notice fatigue from hammering. If I used it all the time I am sure I would probably look into comfort more.
Speaking of socket adapters…do you or anyone else know which brand they use in these tests? I’ve broken so many off in my impact drivers over the last year or so
Your right most of the top brands with motors that can handle the torque are limited. Its no problem with getting enough torque, its maintaining the strength and able to replicate it many times over. If they torqu it up too much they will rip the head off coach bolts. The remedy is tungsten screw bits but then will stay intact but the screw/ bolt will not. Overall solution would be too costly by having tungsten screws and bolts unless your working on assembling the Space Shuttle. So it all boils down to consistency and longevity
will yall be able to test and compare the lesser common/older impact power tools? for example the Porter cable stuff and other brands we haven't seen on the channel yet? Thanks for the content, I appreciate what you guys do.
Id love to see a head to head between porter cable, craftsman and skil power core. Three once great brands that just couldn't keep up with the battery tool business and now are mainly bought due to brand recognition. Porter cable and Skil both have interesting designs and feel well built whenever I see them in stores but I know they're bottom shelf. This channel has proven even the bottom shelf has some gems. The skil 12v has a lot of variety in their lineup and it's pretty cheap. The auto hammer in particular makes me consider it every time I see it. Much more practical looking than the m12 palm nailer.
@@kcl5038 Skil is not bottom of the barrel. Sure, their brushed 20V are nothing special, but the 12V line is all brushless and really good build quality despite a reasonable price. (I honestly prefer it over my older 20V stuff, and far better than the basic Hart/Ryobi 20V brushed models) Some of the 20V brushless seem pretty solid - metal chucks, etc - but I don't own any yet. (Well, and now that Craftsman is rebadged old DeWalt, some of those are actually pretty ok) Really the only stinker in your list is Porter Cable which is mostly rebadged discount homeowner grade Black and Decker, haven't gotten new tools in a long time, definitely the SBD "old and busted" to their Craftsman "new hotness"
You should try the Makita XST01z oil impulse driver. It's not as powerful as a regular impact driver (it won't quite take off lug nuts for example), but it's powerful enough for everything I need one for, and it's so much quieter.
@@HarrisPropertyMaintenance Same here. Love how smooth and quiet it is. Even managed to snap some small bolt heads with it bc i wasn't used to the feedback. I even bought a 2nd one after I got the first!
The Makita oil impulse is my go to for gen purpose use. The DeWalt 887 and 850 sit on the shelf more and only come out when I need max torque. The DeWalt 12v is great for small work as well.
That makita is a joy to use on the job but there are like 2 models that have surpassed it in Japan now (seriously the last 4 models didn't last 12 months before being replaced) I still think personally that bang for buck you can't go wrong with the TDT154Z (Australia model number) it's just a great all around impact even though it's older
cant say im too surprised. my Gen 4 M18 broke after less than 3 months on the job, driving tekk screws of all things. chuck froze up. would just keep on hammering but wouldnt spin. i just got my replacement back from the supply house, but at this rate, i might be wanting my stolen Gen 3 back.
Glad to see the DCF 840 finally got tested(err 845). Not totally surprised by the results. After seeing the 840 go up against 850 and 887 on other channels, it was clear that while it is very fast, certainly comparable to the others, it demonstrably weaker/slower by a bit in head-to-heads. It's nice to see the actual numbers compard though. It's all the more convincing that the 840 and 845 are identical outside of cosmetics and adding the old (outdated) 3 position switch. I'm surprised they decided this would take the XR name. I expect that they'll release a new model in a year or two that has a digital switch like their impact wrench line up, and a more powerful motor. I can't help but wonder if they have a bazillion of those 3-position switches and they keep using them in the 850, 845 models, just to use them up, before converting it all to the digital buttons. Every other brand is ahead in that regard. It's not even a fancy feature anymore and it certainly doesn't cost much to do it. I digress. The 845 is nice looking, but ot begs the question - why id they even make the 840? Why not dorectly make a 20 volt version of the Extreme model and call it good?
I can't wait for you to test the new Hercules brushless 1/4" impact driver. Day one of release, and videos show it destroying the competition and matching if not beating Milwaukee Gen 4 and Flex. I need numbers and graphs to understand better so I can make an informed purchase.
In my opinion the makita has one of the nicest impacts. It’s smooth and doesn’t have A wobble. My dewalt looks drunk next to my partner’s makita that’s years old. But I’ll never switch.
Could you please compare the Ryobi PCL265K1 vs the P262 as they have similar specs with different pricing and technology? Also, could you test both with 2Ah batteries? I'm asking this not only for convenience, but also because in other countries like Spain, the PCL265K1 kit includes a 2Ah battery just like the P261 did before it (And still does). Also, I've seen some 12v car emergency impact wrenches with a really big inertial hammer. They seem to compare best to mid torque impact wrenches, while giving less but more powerful impacts. Btw, they are cheap and their build quality seams to be really basic.
I got the DCF850 when it came out and I love this impact. I recently got the m18 drill/impact combo and i love those too but the 850 is just so cool cause its so tiny but packs a punch
@@jacobsebastien3910 Not at all, I use it for everything. Its sucha an amazing tool. The compactness is what got me, i love that when need to attach 2 cabinets and one of them is like a spice rack or something small.
I love the 840 so I'll probably still get the 845. Like you said in the video I don't need the all the torque all the time. For a lag I'll use something else but the 840 drives screws faster than anything I own
I will always stick with my Makita tools. There’s something special with Makita. You can feel it even if they don’t always have the coolest form sometimes.
I used some old craftsman drills and impacts for years now. But then I bought a Makita Impact/Drill set. I was hooked first screw I installed. It was so god damn smooth and comfortable
milwakue etc is just about maxing motor and battery out, so the brag with power etc. but in reality they will just fail much sooner, have high noise and vibration and overall quality is low.
@izoyt lol this is not even close to true. As someone who literally uses his impact for hours and hours a day as a garage door tech i can tell you in 7 years i have never replaced a single milwaukee battery and only gone through one tool. In 4 years i went through 3 makita tools and 4 dead batteries. Not saying they are garbage, but if reliability is what you're after i can promise you that Milwaukee wins. At least in impact drivers.
You mention machine screws for electrical; to avoid crossthreading I like to reverse first to feel the threads get ready to engage, then fasten. (I also do that when refastening screws back into the same hole in wood.) I've got an old Mastercraft 4V screwdriver that has a trigger that can rock up or down for forward or reverse. Very convenient for that, and the light weight of a 4V screwdriver is quite handy for DIY electrical. Have you ever considered doing some test of 4V and 8V screwdrivers? It'd be interesting especially if there were models that could be set to cam out at a few in lbs (#6 and #8 machine screws) and at 15 in lbs (making connections to outlets).
I've always felt that Makita puts more effort into the user experience and quality than the other brands. Your comments about the trigger back this. As for the smoke coming out of the Milwaukee, I'll continue to avoid their "brute force and ignorance" approach to tool design and stick with Big Blue.
The Japanese Makita impact drivers take a different but to the rest of the world. There's is a 13mm bottom compared to the rest of the world which is 9mm. Makita actually make a piece where you can fit it into the collet of the Japanese impact driver. It's part number Makita A-44672 which can convert the Japanese impact to take ordinary driver bits
You guys should do a video on impact torx and hex bits since they seem to break like crazy and I would love to find something that's not Snap On that can deal with being used.
Seconded. I work on power wheelchairs and there are a lot of 3-6mm hexagon bolts that just destroy my bits. So far the wera and wiha bits and impact adapters I've been buying have been pretty solid, but I am still having to buy replacements every 3-6 months with how much abuse they see daily.
Done it on my UA-cam channel and even 845 against the 921 DeWalt needs to make a Impact Driver Based on the XR DCF 891 just about 3/4 the SIZE now DEWALT can take on FLEX
@@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY Hmm, it looks like the Milwaukee gen4 would be a much better upgrade from the 887 than the 845, if every second counts. Driving fasteners of that size.
For Philly tool- the easiest way to smoke your impact is to cover the fan motor with your hand. Ik its hard not to cover it when adding pressure but that will certainly kill it
I know you guys are testing the large lags for science, but it cracks me up watching people drive those with an impact driver instead of a drill driver or an impact wrench.
on my 4th makita impact, and i love them, none of them did break or have problems, a couple batteries has been shattered, from the times they have fallen 10+ meters to the ground, ive left them out in rain and snow from days to weeks at a time, all of them still works, only reason im on my 4th its because my company update all impacts and other screwdrivers, every now and then, and they let us keep the old tools, otherwise i would still be on my first or second. I also think japanese made makita its overall better quality than romanian made. I dont really like dewalt tools, just not the same quality and smoothness, but i have always been using their lasers, they are the best Milwaukee i have no idea, its a plumbers brand here in my country, if anyone cares lol
I love my DCF850, but now I am not looking to get the DCF845. I am curious how the DCF840 compares since a lot of UA-camrs say it is more powerful than the DCF850.
I would also like to see the numbers the 840 puts up. Lowes always has the kit on sale, small cheap batteries, but who can complain when u get a bag, 2 batteries, charger, and awesome driver for $100. It's been my goto driver for a while now.
I had the 850 and sold it. Got the 840 instead since it is less expensive and similar to the 845 without a switch. I dont regret getting the 840 instead of the 845 because of cost. But i do regret selling the 850. It is a beast by itself.
I noticed you made a comment on reverse torque being not as important. I am an automotive technician and that is the spec I am paying the most attention to. :)
great test as usual! imho this one doesn't make sense to me, same price and power as TD172, but larger and no modes, also worse trigger. Milwaukee really like to smoke eh, I would like my tools to have temp protections set below the smoking threshold tbh. Also there are two more XGT makita drivers that you can test, TD002G and new TD003G that is coming to US if it hasn't already, that one is a bit cheaper variant with less features (GDT02Z usa model). It is available at acme for 160usd already
So just how much smoother is the 845 vs. the 850? I'm in the Dewalt ecosystem, but have always been attracted to Makita for the smoothness of their tools. Is the 845 really that close to the Makita or just "not as bad as the 850 or old 887"?
That was a cool comparison. I thought Dewalt would have have been stronger. I have Milwaukee driver tools but I have tools from Makita, Dewalt and Bosch. They’re all pretty good. I recently picked up a Bosch drywall gun and the beefy battery didn’t have any protective rubber on it. One decent drop and that’s gonna crack or chip. My Waulkee batteries are swathed in rubber. I always drop them. 👍
Yea. Gotta be delicate with them . My old corded Magum screwpistol has been dropped a lot. Maybe 5-6 times in 40 years.43. Got it in 1980 PHDE (pre homeless despot era)
The thing with the smoke coming out from what seems to be the motor could also be some manufacturing leftovers on the motor coils. Bosch also has this "issue" with their drills and after a few times heating up the smoking stopps and the tool works normal. But even if it is so, its not a great thing to see the tool smoking.... Also can you test the Bosch 18V-150C. A german test channel tested it and it was the strongest contender with 80nm soft.
I've got the DCF850 (thanks to your video about it). I never use it in mode 3 cuz mode 2 is more than fast enough. Definitely don't see much use in a faster but less powerful one that's also a little bigger.
I am wondering if you could doe any bigger air impacts because if I want to know how impact does I come to your channel that would be greatly appreciated
This was actually really interesting and timely, thank you. I've only just started moving to dewalt's 20v stuff for work -- starting with the dcf891 as convinced by your videos here. I still use a 12v dcf801 driver for interior screws, 10mm-headed bolts, etc. and in general it's been quite great at that. The new dcf845 seems to be the same form factor but with a much higher RPM, whereas maybe with the 850 I could get it into some narrower spots under the dash. The one complaint I have is the larger battery footprint of the 20v series -- though maybe it's not so noticeable with a powerstack? not sure, my 891 kit came with the rubberized 5AH batteries and those would probably weigh more than the 845 does. I think based on this video I'd probably either wait on upgrading to 20v for my driver, and when I do, maybe go for the 850 instead.
While this is at no fault to you for testing their claims, 1/4th in collet impact drivers really just really shouldn't ever be near 1/2in sockets. I understand advertising it as a "use one tool for all jobs" kinda deal, but at that point you're better off with a half inch hollowed out anvil that can take the sockets directly, as well as housing a 1/4th bit. Personally I just prefer using the right tool for the job so my impact driver never sees a socket adapter, I will just grab an appropriate sized impact wrench instead
I have one of the early made in Japan brushless models, I can’t remember the number right off but I’ve had it probably going on 7 years if not longer and it still kicks ass. I use it daily for electrical and quite often for mechanical work. I have newer more powerful impact drivers several Milwaukee a Couple dewalt some hitachi and I still find myself using the makita one because it’s so small and light but it has plenty of power still also. It will take lugnuts off my vehicles no problem. Pound for pound I’ll take my old makita any day.
Bought the FID3 (GEN4) in Sept 2024. Now its 2 months later. It starts and stops. Problem is it will now run a 22mm auger bit. 1 sec on then off. The first BID I had for 3 years.
Interesting that the DCF845 has less beans than the smaller Atomic...would be pretty hard to justify. The couple Atomic tools I have now have been pretty impressive, I think Dewalt messed up positioning them lower than XR, it's made the line up more confusing than it already was lol
DeWALT seems very skilled at randomly placing new models on lines that dont totally make sense, but I guess that's job security for tool tubers. Have to figure out where it actually belongs.
mastercraft, the in house brand of canadian tire up here in the north, has a newer brushless impact driver claiming 2800 in/lbs. If you plan to keep doing these I'd be interested to see if those claims are legit as that's pretty significantly higher than big brands for a lot less money.
so for driving screws and lags do you want torque or impacts? I'm looking to upgrade from my Dewalt 887 which I've beat the shit out of. trying to decide on the 850 vs 845. small form of the 850 is very tempting but if the higher impacts of the 845 are better for screws I'll go with it
I bought the gen 4 Milwaukee 2 weeks after it came out. On mode 3 it loves to snap the heads off tapcons. Gen 3 never bad this problem. I leave it in mode 2 and it still has plenty of power to drive in a 2 1/4” tapcon
I do HVAC so I use a lot of 1/2” speed points. I’ve had this same issue with snapping off heads while using a M18 5.0 XC. I leave it in 2 gear. M12 with CP 3.0 is fucking amazing a lot of power
The one opportunity to purposefully kill a tool I didn't pay for, and I failed. But -- we'll meet again, Milwaukee... Meanwhile, love that XDT19. Trying to convince myself not to spend $255 on that TD173DZ...
I'm in the same boat but I can't justify it already owning the Japanese TD172. I think I'd rather buy the TD002 40v DVT impact driver for $170. I skipped the original 40v XGT impact driver and I'm glad I did.
The original died in reverse, and the clip they showed didn't show you running it in reverse at all. That might have been where you missed the opportunity.
@@dsgamecube that's a good point - I still suspect TTC's was a fluke but it merits further investigation. It's hard to do "soft" torque in reverse, though.
I only buy the red wunz cuz they faster (actually because matching is more important than performance). But it's interesting seeing where everything lines up.
Has he ever tested old Dewalt 18V impacts? Just curious about how much better the new 20V stuff is. Considering that the 20V stuff is still 18V, just wondering if things have improved as much as people think.
@@itszach6808 no its 18V. marketing wanketeers call it 20V because that is the highest reading voltage. and dumb people belive in highest numbers. once you pull the trigger and the battery is under LOAD it drops to 16-18V. you fishamathing is a joke to a toolbattery so it will drop below 18V in lowest 1/5th of capacity used.
@@itszach6808 what you see is is the open ciruit voltage. now put a 40A load on it and measure at the same time. you seem to be the person that gets spoofed by 50.000 watt amplifiers and 3 million candela flashlights. do some research and get smart.
@@itszach6808 20V Max. It’s literally in the name. Still 18V nominal, and in many countries, DeWalt legally can’t advertise them as 20V Max. You’ll get that same initial 20V from Makita, Milwaukee, Bosch, Ryobi, Rigid, etc.
I'm curious are Dewalt products labelled with 18V and 20V essentially the same thing with slightly different markings depending on where you are in the world? I'm asking cause where I live (Norway) I can't find 20V dewalt products and their flexvolt batteries are rated at 18V to 54V. I'm only asking because it seems weird that they would have two flexvolt battery lines
Dude I've been using a Milwaukee 2553-20 on my Landcruiser project and it zips off every bolt with ease. I have a Dewalt DCF-900 and use it for nothing but lug nuts and suspension bolts. I don't even see a need for a mid torque.
i see your using impact rated sockets; i was told impact rated tools have a built in "give" to them that keeps impacts from snaping the socket/extension ?? If this is true wouldn't a non rated impact deliver more torque?? Perhaps i'm mistaken! great vid as always. cheers
The thing with impact rated sockets is that they're less hard than the normal ones; the issue with an hard socket being the risk of it shattering with the impacts
yes sir-- the 1/4 drive extension that fits into the impact has a colored band- similar perhaps to the "torgue sticks " that tire dealers use to keep from overtorqueing in that they flex at certain torque, this is just an assumption of mine that tool companies are doing this because of the limited size of 1/4 inch and the tremendous power some 1/4 now deliver, whadda u think? cheers
I had a gen 2 Milwaukee impact driver ( until Oak motors West pretty much stole my tools) that would take any lug nut off even on a pickup. can't imagine even more power
Last summer when I was replacing a metal roof in my rental, I had my xdt16 while my buddy had his fuel. He kept bragging about how much more powerful his fuel was, but by the end of the day, he would reach for the Makita. Point is, smoothness, comfort, and features outweigh the slight power increase
1000% agree
Yup, thats why I bought a the Fuel Surge Hydraulic impact hammer over the standard Milwaukee Fuel impact when it came to using it daily, Its smooth, quieter, and more comfortable to use over my head which is what how it was always going to be use and I didnt need the stronger impacts for the screws id be using anyway. Though i found myself wishing it did have more power when i tired to use it to take off some lug bolts from a car once, I know it wasnt the tool for the job but, it would have been nice.
More control with the xdt16. I found the 2853 high rpms can make it frustrating. That thing is so easy to use full force and then you're spinning the bit in the screw head.
There are some things that this channel nor any channel can discuss. That’s comfort and ergonomics for each individual
@@dirtyvinyl8817 hello
XDT19z paired with a 2.0 Makita battery is a match made in heaven. Lightweight and compact like a 12v, smooth as silk usage, and 18v capacity with a 5.0 battery. I’m a believer.
I have both XDT16 LXT impact and the first gen XGT Makita impact.
Their impacts feel like surgeon scalpels. Just super well balanced and a pleasure to use.
i have the xdt16 as well its great i roofed 15 carports with self tappers in one day with it. I do not see that being great with the dewault 850 or milwaukee even tbh.
Dewalt is interesting (and coming from someone is highly invested in the yellow brand). They make some tools that are just amazing! And then others that make you wonder why they bothered releasing an update. I’m willing to bet there are some heads of departments in dewalt engineering that differ greatly on what they demand of their teams.
Dewalt engineering? No they just throw together whatever parts their Chinese suppliers have.
It's ok but I have tested it against the 840 and they are About the same but the 5 amp Power Stack does give it more Power I'm Surprised they did not try it with the 5 amp power stack
@@melvingibson4525 That's why the DCF900 is world class, yea.
@@melvingibson4525 Just as an FYI, most Milwaukee tools are still manufactured in China. Milwaukee Tools is also owned by the Chinese electronics giant TTI.
Milwaukee does seem to be pushing for more "Made In USA" manufacturing, but they are literally in the same boat as Dewalt tools. This being said, Milwaukee doesn't have as bad of a track record of releasing random useless tools like the DCF845.
@@backalleybuddy6793 oh yeah they do the same thing. Just pick Chinese parts off the shelf and put it together
I love my XDT19, bought for a large steel framing job to replace a old brushed Dewalt and it’s like a super car of impacts.
I found the makita by coincidence, a store had it on clearance for AUD$200 for some reason, bloody love it, especially the speed switch button just above the grip
All these impact drivers are now to the point of max power that’s allowed through that tiny hex collet. I think rather than just sheer beans you really need to take weight, length, trigger pull, and vibration into account a little bit more on your scoring system. They all do the job of an impact driver, now which one is the best, not the most powerful
That's a good point. Impact drivers need to do a whole decathlon of jobs, but it seems all we're measuring anymore is how much they can bench press. At this point they're all pretty strong and strength isn't everything.
@@joshuaewalker It is nice to know though if you are putting in large deck screws how much power they have. I converted from Ryobi to Milwaukee and I am blown away with how much easier everything is with the crazy power Red puts up. I have used my impact driver to take my trucks lug nuts off and happily didn't snap the adapter. Granted it doesn't take 10 seconds to do that, so that is likely why it didn't snap- kinda cool it can do it though.
@@docj8257
It's more important now with the subcompact models but even the DCF850 has a crazy amount of power. Judging how good an impact is today is a lot more about ergonomics, weight, size, settings, options, and quality of life improvements.
Very astute comment!
My Xdt19 allows me to assemble ikea without worry on busting through the wood. Superb trigger.
I have the third gen Milwaukee but I find I enjoy using a Makita more. When I picked up my co-workers Makita for the first time i was blown away by the trigger control. makes it much easier and comfortable to drive sheet metal screws.
haha
Lets get your subscriber count up, and maybe companies will stop listening to marketing BS and actually improve their tools before asking us to buy new ones... Another great video, thank you for letting me purchase the 850 instead of the 845!
Torque isnt the only metric though, its easy to make an impact driver that will break every 1/4" bit but such a tool isnt useful. Its about time we demand that all tools are made like Makita XGT drivers - same rpm, ipm and torque with full battery and with 1 bar left on the battery, consistent throughout the working day.
@@pflaffik I get your point, and the guys do say its a good tool. I guess I was just looking for a better curve given the claims of increased speed, torque, etc. Tired of having to double-check every claim tool makers have by coming here or PF, etc. to check.
@@pflaffik Good comment, however a lot of DeWalt tools will run the tool same speed right down to when the battery/ tool shuts down. This was the promise of LiOn tools, but not all of them do. As with anyhting, YMMV. I am not a Dewalt fan boi, as I own and use nearly all brands. DeWalt has always been known to run the tools hard, to the detriment of the batteries. The old NiCad batteries never could keep up with the tools.
Take care
Great video as always TTC! I can't wait to see what the newest 40v Makita TD002 DST impact driver puts up at only $170 from Japan it's definitely worth a shot. The original 40v Makita GDT01 impact driver was a big let down no doubt.
The GDT01 was only the best, for those who actually use their tools. Torque numbers on an impact driver is too useless, my most used impact is 220 in.Lbs, super weak but by far the most useable impact driver i ever had my hands on. Still love the GDT01 though, a precision instrument with no competition in its class, battery life with smallest XGT battery is unbelievable. Too superior in real life.
@@pflaffik you're right but from a strictly torque standpoint which is all this channel benchmarks it was very underwhelming even compared to both of the 18v Makita's on the Impact driver list.
@@pflaffik who makes a 220 in-lbs impact driver? I can't even think of hydraulic impact drivers with such numbers.
Torque matters once you cross the threshold of 2 or 3 inches deck screws. RPMs and IPMs can only take you that far without torque to keep sinking those screws in.
Thank you so much I love that you take the time to do this!?
I'd love to see you test the caterpillar impact and drill from lowe's with that graphene battery. Thank you for another great in depth video!
I second this
When you brought up the nice trigger on the Makita, it reminded me of how much that matters on an impact. I got the DCF850 for $100 and it is a tiny beast. The power was unreal for its small size. That being said, I hated using it because it was such a blunt use of power. It stripped everything out if I wasn't super careful before I started in on the meat of the screw. The extra half second it saved on a 4" screw wasn't worth all the trouble when starting all the screws. The Makita TD172 is a dream in this respect and I gladly trade the small power increase and accessibility for the tightest of spaces of the 850 for the better user experience of the Makita.
Another reason to buy the Japanese impact is the build quality and components inside are slightly better than the US version. One point against it is that the bit chamber is made for 13mm impact bits rather than 8/9mm, so your bits swim in there without an adapter.
Hi i am considering buying the dcf 850. I am a cabinet maker and don't need a ton of power. Would you say that even on speed one is too much power?
Don't know if you're into makita. I have a 850 but for 1/2 - 3/4 wood using screws I always use my subcompact 18v makita. Small screws, thin wood you can have too much power
@@gipsasl yes too much power and not much finesse. for cabinet making I would stick with a drill or maybe the M12 hydraulic which is very quiet but has plenty of power for that application.
On the DeWalt side I'd go with their 12v impact or installation driver.
@@plsreleasethekraken Thanks, appreciate your opinion. I'll probably go with the DeWalt 12v impact and see how I get on. I'll probably buy the DCF 850 eventually but don't want to spend too much money in one go.
@@gipsasl I have no personal experience with it, but I do know a cabinetmaker who likes that new DeWalt installation driver because of the attachments (90 degree, offset). He said those are a life saver for certain screw positions.
I like watching your videos. These impact drivers have gotten so powerful they twist off the 1/4 socket adapters. I don't use it enough to notice fatigue from hammering. If I used it all the time I am sure I would probably look into comfort more.
Speaking of socket adapters…do you or anyone else know which brand they use in these tests? I’ve broken so many off in my impact drivers over the last year or so
Your right most of the top brands with motors that can handle the torque are limited.
Its no problem with getting enough torque, its maintaining the strength and able to replicate it many times over.
If they torqu it up too much they will rip the head off coach bolts. The remedy is tungsten screw bits but then will stay intact but the screw/ bolt will not. Overall solution would be too costly by having tungsten screws and bolts unless your working on assembling the Space Shuttle.
So it all boils down to consistency and longevity
will yall be able to test and compare the lesser common/older impact power tools? for example the Porter cable stuff and other brands we haven't seen on the channel yet? Thanks for the content, I appreciate what you guys do.
Id love to see a head to head between porter cable, craftsman and skil power core. Three once great brands that just couldn't keep up with the battery tool business and now are mainly bought due to brand recognition.
Porter cable and Skil both have interesting designs and feel well built whenever I see them in stores but I know they're bottom shelf. This channel has proven even the bottom shelf has some gems. The skil 12v has a lot of variety in their lineup and it's pretty cheap. The auto hammer in particular makes me consider it every time I see it. Much more practical looking than the m12 palm nailer.
@@kcl5038 Skil is not bottom of the barrel. Sure, their brushed 20V are nothing special, but the 12V line is all brushless and really good build quality despite a reasonable price. (I honestly prefer it over my older 20V stuff, and far better than the basic Hart/Ryobi 20V brushed models) Some of the 20V brushless seem pretty solid - metal chucks, etc - but I don't own any yet. (Well, and now that Craftsman is rebadged old DeWalt, some of those are actually pretty ok) Really the only stinker in your list is Porter Cable which is mostly rebadged discount homeowner grade Black and Decker, haven't gotten new tools in a long time, definitely the SBD "old and busted" to their Craftsman "new hotness"
Porter Cable is Very Old News bro'
You should try the Makita XST01z oil impulse driver. It's not as powerful as a regular impact driver (it won't quite take off lug nuts for example), but it's powerful enough for everything I need one for, and it's so much quieter.
I have the Milwaukee version of that and it’s my go to rather than the regular impact even though it’s less powerful
@@HarrisPropertyMaintenance Same here. Love how smooth and quiet it is. Even managed to snap some small bolt heads with it bc i wasn't used to the feedback. I even bought a 2nd one after I got the first!
They have tested oil drivers already. They don't make for an interesting video.
The Makita oil impulse is my go to for gen purpose use. The DeWalt 887 and 850 sit on the shelf more and only come out when I need max torque. The DeWalt 12v is great for small work as well.
Your presentation style is great, I really appreciate the work you guys do.
That makita is a joy to use on the job but there are like 2 models that have surpassed it in Japan now (seriously the last 4 models didn't last 12 months before being replaced)
I still think personally that bang for buck you can't go wrong with the TDT154Z (Australia model number) it's just a great all around impact even though it's older
that's also known here in North America as the XDT14Z. It's about $50 cheaper than the XDT16Z/TD171. Not bad
@@engineer_alv i got that but the drill sucks
@@engineer_alv ima upgrade to the 16z tho and with a better hammer drill kit
cant say im too surprised. my Gen 4 M18 broke after less than 3 months on the job, driving tekk screws of all things. chuck froze up. would just keep on hammering but wouldnt spin. i just got my replacement back from the supply house, but at this rate, i might be wanting my stolen Gen 3 back.
Glad to see the DCF 840 finally got tested(err 845). Not totally surprised by the results. After seeing the 840 go up against 850 and 887 on other channels, it was clear that while it is very fast, certainly comparable to the others, it demonstrably weaker/slower by a bit in head-to-heads. It's nice to see the actual numbers compard though.
It's all the more convincing that the 840 and 845 are identical outside of cosmetics and adding the old (outdated) 3 position switch. I'm surprised they decided this would take the XR name. I expect that they'll release a new model in a year or two that has a digital switch like their impact wrench line up, and a more powerful motor. I can't help but wonder if they have a bazillion of those 3-position switches and they keep using them in the 850, 845 models, just to use them up, before converting it all to the digital buttons. Every other brand is ahead in that regard. It's not even a fancy feature anymore and it certainly doesn't cost much to do it. I digress. The 845 is nice looking, but ot begs the question - why id they even make the 840? Why not dorectly make a 20 volt version of the Extreme model and call it good?
I can't wait for you to test the new Hercules brushless 1/4" impact driver. Day one of release, and videos show it destroying the competition and matching if not beating Milwaukee Gen 4 and Flex. I need numbers and graphs to understand better so I can make an informed purchase.
ID LIKE to see the new brushless from Hercules test results
In my opinion the makita has one of the nicest impacts. It’s smooth and doesn’t have A wobble. My dewalt looks drunk next to my partner’s makita that’s years old. But I’ll never switch.
Could you please compare the Ryobi PCL265K1 vs the P262 as they have similar specs with different pricing and technology? Also, could you test both with 2Ah batteries? I'm asking this not only for convenience, but also because in other countries like Spain, the PCL265K1 kit includes a 2Ah battery just like the P261 did before it (And still does).
Also, I've seen some 12v car emergency impact wrenches with a really big inertial hammer. They seem to compare best to mid torque impact wrenches, while giving less but more powerful impacts. Btw, they are cheap and their build quality seams to be really basic.
would like to see the new 845 tested with a powerstack 5ah battery, would like to see if it makes a big difference being a new tool
Done it
Would love some testing with the festool TID!
I got the DCF850 when it came out and I love this impact. I recently got the m18 drill/impact combo and i love those too but the 850 is just so cool cause its so tiny but packs a punch
Does your DeWalt 850 atomic have trigger issues?
@@jacobsebastien3910 Not at all, I use it for everything. Its sucha an amazing tool. The compactness is what got me, i love that when need to attach 2 cabinets and one of them is like a spice rack or something small.
I love the 840 so I'll probably still get the 845. Like you said in the video I don't need the all the torque all the time. For a lag I'll use something else but the 840 drives screws faster than anything I own
I will always stick with my Makita tools. There’s something special with Makita. You can feel it even if they don’t always have the coolest form sometimes.
I used some old craftsman drills and impacts for years now. But then I bought a Makita Impact/Drill set. I was hooked first screw I installed. It was so god damn smooth and comfortable
Agreed. Makita all the way.
milwakue etc is just about maxing motor and battery out, so the brag with power etc. but in reality they will just fail much sooner, have high noise and vibration and overall quality is low.
@izoyt lol this is not even close to true. As someone who literally uses his impact for hours and hours a day as a garage door tech i can tell you in 7 years i have never replaced a single milwaukee battery and only gone through one tool. In 4 years i went through 3 makita tools and 4 dead batteries. Not saying they are garbage, but if reliability is what you're after i can promise you that Milwaukee wins. At least in impact drivers.
@@Eleventhhour113 interesting. And I know guys that will tell you the exact opposite. 😉
I'm a firm believer in buying tools that you have chargers for. Also Milwaukee.
Thats the song of my people
Brrrrrrrrrrrrrt
I'm wondering why they didn't put the 840 up against these dewalts. 840 vs 845 vs 850
Need to test which driver lets out the best smelling magic smoke when it dies
You mention machine screws for electrical; to avoid crossthreading I like to reverse first to feel the threads get ready to engage, then fasten. (I also do that when refastening screws back into the same hole in wood.)
I've got an old Mastercraft 4V screwdriver that has a trigger that can rock up or down for forward or reverse. Very convenient for that, and the light weight of a 4V screwdriver is quite handy for DIY electrical.
Have you ever considered doing some test of 4V and 8V screwdrivers? It'd be interesting especially if there were models that could be set to cam out at a few in lbs (#6 and #8 machine screws) and at 15 in lbs (making connections to outlets).
Wish you could test the DeWalt with the 5Ah Power Stack battery
Reminder to make a video of air ratchets and air drills. Chicago Pneumatic and harbor freight looking good on the drill side
I've always felt that Makita puts more effort into the user experience and quality than the other brands. Your comments about the trigger back this. As for the smoke coming out of the Milwaukee, I'll continue to avoid their "brute force and ignorance" approach to tool design and stick with Big Blue.
"brute force and ignorance". well what can be more murican than that, lol.
The Makita is smooth and comfortable, but the triple hammer metabo has a more sensitive trigger and more user options.
The Japanese Makita impact drivers take a different but to the rest of the world. There's is a 13mm bottom compared to the rest of the world which is 9mm. Makita actually make a piece where you can fit it into the collet of the Japanese impact driver. It's part number Makita A-44672 which can convert the Japanese impact to take ordinary driver bits
That Makita has already been replaced, the TD172 has now been updated to the TD173. The main difference seems to be user interface only though.
I think we even point that out here
You guys should do a video on impact torx and hex bits since they seem to break like crazy and I would love to find something that's not Snap On that can deal with being used.
Seconded. I work on power wheelchairs and there are a lot of 3-6mm hexagon bolts that just destroy my bits. So far the wera and wiha bits and impact adapters I've been buying have been pretty solid, but I am still having to buy replacements every 3-6 months with how much abuse they see daily.
I break snapon ones too, every tool will break with enough use, and/or, the last guy used a 3/4in breaker to tighten that T40…
Yeah, notice I said "deal with being used," not "be completely unbreakable." It's very hard to know who makes a quality impact torx
Did anyone else notice the Philly keeping a gloved hand over the air holes? That alone could lead to a smoked a motor.
It would have been interesting to see how the 845 stacks up to the 887.
Done it on my UA-cam channel and even 845 against the 921 DeWalt needs to make a Impact Driver Based on the XR DCF 891 just about 3/4 the SIZE now DEWALT can take on FLEX
@@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY Hmm, it looks like the Milwaukee gen4 would be a much better upgrade from the 887 than the 845, if every second counts. Driving fasteners of that size.
Would u be able to do a comparison video of ryobis regular drill and hammer drill along with other brands and their counterparts?
For Philly tool- the easiest way to smoke your impact is to cover the fan motor with your hand. Ik its hard not to cover it when adding pressure but that will certainly kill it
HF just dropped a new brushless Hercules driver, claiming 2100 in/lbs. I'd be interested to see how it stacks against the DeWalts and Makitas.
I know you guys are testing the large lags for science, but it cracks me up watching people drive those with an impact driver instead of a drill driver or an impact wrench.
Makita just released td173 few in japan. I very much hope you will test it
Will you consider testing some bosch drivers too??
There's 4 on this driver list, but yes we can do more
@@TorqueTestChannel thank you guys
I am 100% ready to pick up that 850 with a power stack battery and take my old 887 and do a ⅜" anvil swap!
Actually I would highly recommend a 3/8" anvil swap on the 850!
@@PhillyFixed
I know the anvil off of a DCF890 will fit in the 887 but what's the anvil part number that will fit in the 850?
How small is Philly Fix? I was thinking the impact was comparably small until he held it, and now it looks huge.
Nice! Thanks guys. Watching from Australia and using Ozito branded toys.
on my 4th makita impact, and i love them, none of them did break or have problems, a couple batteries has been shattered, from the times they have fallen 10+ meters to the ground,
ive left them out in rain and snow from days to weeks at a time, all of them still works, only reason im on my 4th its because my company update all impacts and other screwdrivers, every now and then, and they let us keep the old tools, otherwise i would still be on my first or second.
I also think japanese made makita its overall better quality than romanian made.
I dont really like dewalt tools, just not the same quality and smoothness, but i have always been using their lasers, they are the best
Milwaukee i have no idea, its a plumbers brand here in my country,
if anyone cares lol
I love my DCF850, but now I am not looking to get the DCF845. I am curious how the DCF840 compares since a lot of UA-camrs say it is more powerful than the DCF850.
I would also like to see the numbers the 840 puts up. Lowes always has the kit on sale, small cheap batteries, but who can complain when u get a bag, 2 batteries, charger, and awesome driver for $100. It's been my goto driver for a while now.
I had the 850 and sold it. Got the 840 instead since it is less expensive and similar to the 845 without a switch. I dont regret getting the 840 instead of the 845 because of cost. But i do regret selling the 850. It is a beast by itself.
@@g8beast679 make sure you run it with at least 4 ah battery since the ones that come in the kit are trash.
Hi, what manufacturer and model of impact sockets are used in the test Milwaukee 8:26 ?
Jump of excitement when a TTC Impact driver hits the feed! 😁
I hope you do an Oil impulse impact driver video in the future.
I noticed you made a comment on reverse torque being not as important. I am an automotive technician and that is the spec I am paying the most attention to. :)
Price is now the defining factor. I have seen the DCF845 go for $199 in a kit compared to $398 for the DCF 850 in a kit at Home Depot.
great test as usual! imho this one doesn't make sense to me, same price and power as TD172, but larger and no modes, also worse trigger.
Milwaukee really like to smoke eh, I would like my tools to have temp protections set below the smoking threshold tbh.
Also there are two more XGT makita drivers that you can test, TD002G and new TD003G that is coming to US if it hasn't already, that one is a bit cheaper variant with less features (GDT02Z usa model). It is available at acme for 160usd already
Thank you, you guys rock
So my dad got me the Dewalt DCF 840. I haven’t seen many or any videos on it.
Which bit adaptors are living through these tests? That's what is fascinating me.
I think where the 845 will excell over the shorter 850 will be heat diasppation. Its got more aluminum, it should bleed the heat better...
So just how much smoother is the 845 vs. the 850? I'm in the Dewalt ecosystem, but have always been attracted to Makita for the smoothness of their tools. Is the 845 really that close to the Makita or just "not as bad as the 850 or old 887"?
That was a cool comparison. I thought Dewalt would have have been stronger. I have Milwaukee driver tools but I have tools from Makita, Dewalt and Bosch. They’re all pretty good. I recently picked up a Bosch drywall gun and the beefy battery didn’t have any protective rubber on it. One decent drop and that’s gonna crack or chip. My Waulkee batteries are swathed in rubber. I always drop them. 👍
Yea. Gotta be delicate with them . My old corded Magum screwpistol has been dropped a lot. Maybe 5-6 times in 40 years.43. Got it in 1980 PHDE (pre homeless despot era)
Do you have the tool ranking for the smaller 1/4 chuck impacts? You have the larger square pin in the description
The thing with the smoke coming out from what seems to be the motor could also be some manufacturing leftovers on the motor coils. Bosch also has this "issue" with their drills and after a few times heating up the smoking stopps and the tool works normal. But even if it is so, its not a great thing to see the tool smoking....
Also can you test the Bosch 18V-150C. A german test channel tested it and it was the strongest contender with 80nm soft.
Why the air outlet was covered when drive the Bolt？
You guys should see if you could get your hands on king canada impact
Why do you have to block the air vents when you were trying to kill it.
I've got the DCF850 (thanks to your video about it). I never use it in mode 3 cuz mode 2 is more than fast enough. Definitely don't see much use in a faster but less powerful one that's also a little bigger.
I am wondering if you could doe any bigger air impacts because if I want to know how impact does I come to your channel that would be greatly appreciated
You guys are gonna have to test the new Hercules impact
This was actually really interesting and timely, thank you. I've only just started moving to dewalt's 20v stuff for work -- starting with the dcf891 as convinced by your videos here. I still use a 12v dcf801 driver for interior screws, 10mm-headed bolts, etc. and in general it's been quite great at that. The new dcf845 seems to be the same form factor but with a much higher RPM, whereas maybe with the 850 I could get it into some narrower spots under the dash. The one complaint I have is the larger battery footprint of the 20v series -- though maybe it's not so noticeable with a powerstack? not sure, my 891 kit came with the rubberized 5AH batteries and those would probably weigh more than the 845 does. I think based on this video I'd probably either wait on upgrading to 20v for my driver, and when I do, maybe go for the 850 instead.
that would be 10,8 and 18v nominally in real world.
While this is at no fault to you for testing their claims, 1/4th in collet impact drivers really just really shouldn't ever be near 1/2in sockets. I understand advertising it as a "use one tool for all jobs" kinda deal, but at that point you're better off with a half inch hollowed out anvil that can take the sockets directly, as well as housing a 1/4th bit. Personally I just prefer using the right tool for the job so my impact driver never sees a socket adapter, I will just grab an appropriate sized impact wrench instead
Please do a dyno of china brand like dong cheng, dca, dck, worx etc...
Interestingly Hercules just released their new brushless 1/4" driver, advertising 2,200 in-lb... I wonder how that will compare.
I have one of the early made in Japan brushless models, I can’t remember the number right off but I’ve had it probably going on 7 years if not longer and it still kicks ass. I use it daily for electrical and quite often for mechanical work. I have newer more powerful impact drivers several Milwaukee a Couple dewalt some hitachi and I still find myself using the makita one because it’s so small and light but it has plenty of power still also. It will take lugnuts off my vehicles no problem. Pound for pound I’ll take my old makita any day.
Bought the FID3 (GEN4) in Sept 2024. Now its 2 months later. It starts and stops. Problem is it will now run a 22mm auger bit. 1 sec on then off. The first BID I had for 3 years.
Interesting that the DCF845 has less beans than the smaller Atomic...would be pretty hard to justify. The couple Atomic tools I have now have been pretty impressive, I think Dewalt messed up positioning them lower than XR, it's made the line up more confusing than it already was lol
DeWALT seems very skilled at randomly placing new models on lines that dont totally make sense, but I guess that's job security for tool tubers. Have to figure out where it actually belongs.
In other tests I've seen on UA-cam, the 845 is faster then the 850 at lags, screws etc
@@FusionBoost2.0 Makes sense depending on the size. Higher RPM & IPM
@@TorqueTestChannel Yup, 850 still really strong as you can tell by the torque just not as fast but it's smaller haha
@@FusionBoost2.0 yeah, more of a case of how much work can it do instead of just how much torque it has.
mastercraft, the in house brand of canadian tire up here in the north, has a newer brushless impact driver claiming 2800 in/lbs. If you plan to keep doing these I'd be interested to see if those claims are legit as that's pretty significantly higher than big brands for a lot less money.
Nice job! Thanks
so for driving screws and lags do you want torque or impacts? I'm looking to upgrade from my Dewalt 887 which I've beat the shit out of. trying to decide on the 850 vs 845. small form of the 850 is very tempting but if the higher impacts of the 845 are better for screws I'll go with it
I bought the gen 4 Milwaukee 2 weeks after it came out. On mode 3 it loves to snap the heads off tapcons. Gen 3 never bad this problem. I leave it in mode 2 and it still has plenty of power to drive in a 2 1/4” tapcon
I do HVAC so I use a lot of 1/2” speed points. I’ve had this same issue with snapping off heads while using a M18 5.0 XC. I leave it in 2 gear. M12 with CP 3.0 is fucking amazing a lot of power
The one opportunity to purposefully kill a tool I didn't pay for, and I failed. But -- we'll meet again, Milwaukee... Meanwhile, love that XDT19. Trying to convince myself not to spend $255 on that TD173DZ...
I'm in the same boat but I can't justify it already owning the Japanese TD172. I think I'd rather buy the TD002 40v DVT impact driver for $170. I skipped the original 40v XGT impact driver and I'm glad I did.
The original died in reverse, and the clip they showed didn't show you running it in reverse at all. That might have been where you missed the opportunity.
@@dsgamecube that's a good point - I still suspect TTC's was a fluke but it merits further investigation. It's hard to do "soft" torque in reverse, though.
I only buy the red wunz cuz they faster (actually because matching is more important than performance). But it's interesting seeing where everything lines up.
Any chance you can drive a lag bolt with them for fuzzies? I know it’s not scientific or perceive in any way but it is what they are designed to do.
Has he ever tested old Dewalt 18V impacts? Just curious about how much better the new 20V stuff is. Considering that the 20V stuff is still 18V, just wondering if things have improved as much as people think.
No, it’s 20 volts. I run my fish finder off of it. It is 20 volts to my screen
@@itszach6808 no its 18V.
marketing wanketeers call it 20V because that is the highest reading voltage. and dumb people belive in highest numbers.
once you pull the trigger and the battery is under LOAD it drops to 16-18V.
you fishamathing is a joke to a toolbattery so it will drop below 18V in lowest 1/5th of capacity used.
@@casemodder89 I literally see the voltage on a screen. Ya 20+ volts
@@itszach6808 what you see is is the open ciruit voltage.
now put a 40A load on it and measure at the same time.
you seem to be the person that gets spoofed by 50.000 watt amplifiers and 3 million candela flashlights. do some research and get smart.
@@itszach6808 20V Max. It’s literally in the name.
Still 18V nominal, and in many countries, DeWalt legally can’t advertise them as 20V Max.
You’ll get that same initial 20V from Makita, Milwaukee, Bosch, Ryobi, Rigid, etc.
It would be interesting to see a Festool impact vs these
Could you please also test the Milwaukee 7/16" ?
Best tools test chanel
I'm curious are Dewalt products labelled with 18V and 20V essentially the same thing with slightly different markings depending on where you are in the world? I'm asking cause where I live (Norway) I can't find 20V dewalt products and their flexvolt batteries are rated at 18V to 54V. I'm only asking because it seems weird that they would have two flexvolt battery lines
Correct, same tools. Milwaukee had 18V patents in the US
Sick of wait for Makita Japan model to arrive in the U.S.😂 I going with my 1st Milwaukee tool!😮
Dude I've been using a Milwaukee 2553-20 on my Landcruiser project and it zips off every bolt with ease. I have a Dewalt DCF-900 and use it for nothing but lug nuts and suspension bolts. I don't even see a need for a mid torque.
i see your using impact rated sockets; i was told impact rated tools have a built in "give" to them that keeps impacts from snaping the socket/extension ?? If this is true wouldn't a non rated impact deliver more torque?? Perhaps i'm mistaken! great vid as always. cheers
The thing with impact rated sockets is that they're less hard than the normal ones; the issue with an hard socket being the risk of it shattering with the impacts
TTC already tested impact vs chrome. Impact is better.
yes sir-- the 1/4 drive extension that fits into the impact has a colored band- similar perhaps to the "torgue sticks " that tire dealers use to keep from overtorqueing in that they flex at certain torque, this is just an assumption of mine that tool companies are doing this because of the limited size of 1/4 inch and the tremendous power some 1/4 now deliver, whadda u think? cheers
Once again I am asking for the new Bauer Brushless impacts to be Dyno tested!
Sad the new Hercules Brushless driver didn’t make it into this video, just saw them in my local HF earlier.
I think it came out today
I had a gen 2 Milwaukee impact driver ( until Oak motors West pretty much stole my tools) that would take any lug nut off even on a pickup. can't imagine even more power
Would you recommend the generation 3 or 4 milwaukee? Looking for best performance but gotta last.
3 for sure
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