My first Flying Scotsman train set cost £15. But that was in the 1970’s.😂😂😂😂. As Hornby are charging so much for new stock, I’m glad I switched over to O Gauge.
Absolutely insane that Hornby's DP1 will be £20 less at the retailers for a DCC ready version than a full blown O gauge 66! I know which one will be better value for money...
Well, that was a mouth full and is saturated with exciting news all around. All the manufacturers are stepping up to the plate and swigging for the bleachers. I take it the unacceptable manufacturer was in China and suspect that the future will be interesting with a move to India or Mexico but I'm guessing and trying to be the Devil's advocate, what fun, lol. I commend you on your delivery and verbal skills because I would have had a number of eh, ahh, and dead airtime. It does amaze me how you rattle that stuff off and wonder how many takes are involved but I don't see any seams, so I have to assume it just flows. Anyway, great video as always, Jersey Bill
haha it sure was a mouth full! Yes I think the manufacturer will have been in China as most of Dapol's models do seem to be made there, and I assume their replacement factory will also be in China but we'll see! haha yeah - I'm not as great at delivery as I may seem... I'm an editor more than anything else... but I'm better than I was with practice haha! Thanks a lot Bill! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
2 points Hornby are pricing themselves out of business Suggest you move construction of models to Mexico or India thechild labour used in a lot of Asian countries is not o 😊
The T3 was definitely the most exciting reveal. We all sort of knew it would happen after the return to steam, and I’m interested to see if we get both LSWR pea green and mint & chocolate as livery options. It would also be nice if it was available at Locomotion Models, even if it isn’t part of the collection anymore.
@@joshslater2426 Going by the logic of a recent return to steam another model that would be great to have is a rerelease of the bachmann A2 as Blue Peter as that has recently just come back after a very long overhaul.
I was at the Braderie in Lille, France today (Europe's biggest annual flea market) and found a Bachman Deltic for €65! I don't even have a layout at the moment but I couldn't say no to it 😁
While prices continue to rocket, at least we still aren't even close to European levels of cost. I returned from Berlin last week, and visited a few model shops while over there. Low budget coaches at the equivalent of £60 each? Or detailed coaches with lights fitted for £120? 3 coach DC DMU for £600 or with DCC sound at £800? It puts our prices into perspective when you see what prices are like elsewhere.
They do things differently over there, don't they? The hobby is firmly anchored in the pockets of late middle aged and retired men. I have family in Hamburg ~ MiniaturWonderland land olé! and found it easier to introduce the boys to our wonderful world by filling my suitcase with Hornby kid-friendly products (and a couple of pairs of socks for me) rather than try to stomach the sight of a €500 german loco steaming off the edge of a baseboard. This despite the pitying "tuts" from the otherwise friendly bloke behind the counter in the local train shop.
Well said. Moaning Brits don't know how well off they are, and the one thing Sam omits is the fact that Hornby are losing money hand over fist, as well as the fact they are no more expensive than Bachmann. But then again, he's got it in for Hornby, whereas Dapol, Rapido and Accurascale, no matter what garbage they produce, nearly always get more positive comments-
@@eisenbau Sam's dismay with Hornby is not unique to him. We long-standing fans of model railways in Britain have no more hair to tear out at the incomprehensible actions of Hornby Hobbies in the past several years. It's a wonder that the 'going concern' is still going, what with the company's seeming love of shooting itself in the foot time and again!
Yeah European prices are crazy - but any British manufacturer charging those prices would just be squashed by the competition... we're comparatively lucky over here that our industry is so competitive! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I remember being on Kings Cross station when the original Deltic arrived, resplendent in blue with cream lining. It was an unknown arrival and caused a mass migration from the end of Platform 10, as was, to go alongside the new leap into the future. We were absolutely gobsmacked.
Excellent video, Sam. Saw a video of the T3 running earlier this year, and thought Hornby could make a model of it. Funny how Bachmann beat them to it lol. Here’s hoping they get the green right cause Lord knows Hornby can’t be consistent haha. Glad to see that the H/Y7 will be released soon, with no news of the Stirling Single. The more space between these releases, the better. No one was going to enjoy the Hornby price increases, but the fact not all models are affected intrigues me. After watching this, I looked up the Mallard Record Breaker set on Rails, and the price doesn’t seem to have changed at all. Very pleased with this. Take care of yourself, Sam. Cheers.
Thanks a lot David - yeah I'm glad EFE did it actually - their (Kernow's) models are better than Hornby's these days! Yeah interesting that things are quiet on the Single, not sure when that's coming! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
three cheers for Dapol with that statement! Hornby is more of a sigh of frustration, as (when I used to deem them good enough) I bought Hornby Super Detail Gresley Pacifics for as cheap as 115 quid! thanks as always Sam
Hi Sam. H's Deltic looks fabulous in all metal for that price. That's simply staggering surprising they even can pull it off for that amount, putting it into European continental perspective. Of course quality in the end has always been the question in the case of H, but the construction in all die-cast does look most impressive. Cheerio.
It does indeed Linda - the quality is still the big question mark, but European prices aren't really a good demonstration of what's possible for a certain budget... British companies like Accurascale can much better show what's possible for, say £170, so with a budget like H's for the Deltic, it *should* be damn good! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Let's keep fingers crossed Sam that it is going to be really stellar. The best demonstration of what British companies can do would be Bachmann probably. They apparently also include QA which all of the others clearly lack. Only B seems to be able a to offer a consistent flawless RTR experience. All the other always have issues, or at the least with a high chance. Depends on the buyer. On the continent we just do not accept any flaw, which does drive the price up, keeping production in Europe with PIKO as the exception; all run by German management, even in China in the case of PIKO.
Well I’m going broke 😭 I have three locos due soon from Rapido, and I’m now thinking of ordering a T3 (I’ve always wanted that loco in model form!!!) and that London Transport pannier. Thanks for sharing the news as always Sam!!
Very excited for the Bachmann Addams T3, can't wait for the color samples, sits on the wanted list so far. The Accurascale London Transport Pannier, NICE!
I bought a Rapido Lion with DCC and the decoder was busted on arrival, but yeah they was very helpful and fixed it for free when I sent it back, so I can also say their costumer service is excellent at least!
Perhaps Hornby have kept the Beginners' locos at their previous price because it's coming up to Christmas? Interesting to see if they go up in price in January.
Hi Sam, just a quick note to say how pleased I am with the wooden plank wagon 6/60 I received whilst overseas!! Good grief its absolutely brilliant mate, amazing detail, and the decrepid wood look is awesome which gives it added realism! I'm looking forward to the next project with anticipation!.Great stuff mate!!!!👍👍👍
Ahh that's so lovely to hear - many thanks for the kind words! Working hard on the next projects now - looking at December to launch them! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thanks for another packed news item Sam. I just returned from the International N Gauge Show and there were so many new models from Dapol, Bachmann, Rapido and Revolution Trains… Please can you consider covering some N gauge in future? I am of course aware that these are long videos now, but an occasional mention would be great. I am sure you would like to see the N gauge Battle of Britain / West Country (without a tender and drive shaft!) from Dapol for example. Best
You'd have to admit Sam, that the Rapido E-Class you had reviewed sure had some "Character" with all the glue marks and crooked smoke stack on it! LOL! 🤣🤣🤣 Glad they sent you a better replacement.
I wouldn't worry about Hornby increasing the prices of their track... I don't know a single modeller who uses Hornby track when Peco's is so much better.
I ordered the Dublo Deltic DP1 when it was first announced. Looking at the photos on the Engine Shed I'm glad I did it was £332 for the sound version. Assuming they honour that price, I thinks it's good value for an all metal loco with DCC controlled fans etc. It has more diecast than my Trix ,Brawa, Roco Ho collection which all have plastic bogies. The somewhat dated wagons and locos made in Switzerland by HAG are all diecast and expensive.
What the hell is wrong with Hornby? Are they actually trying to destroy themselves? I haven't bought anything from Hornby in years, and I don't see that changing. With Accuracscale, Dapol, Rapido, etc offer amazing models are better prices, why even bother with Hornby anymore? Geez Sam, even your own models by comparison are better value when you scale the quality/price differences.
@@LNER985 What are you smoking? Hornby's prices these days are beyond ridiculous, and IMO not worth what you are paying for. Accurascale/Dapol/etc are much more reasonable.
@@MysticDragonForce I don't smoke and you're the one. Wanting people to lose their jobs and acting the other manufactures haven't increased their prices. Ignoring the current economic climate of the world refusing to understand what goes into manufacturing models. If the new Hornby black 5 was manufactured in the UK it would cost £1000 and you are literally overreacting. Prices for everything have increased in the past number of years and labour isn't as cheap as it use to be. Pete Waterman and others continue to help the hobby yet you want to throw that away for the sake of ego.
@@LNER985 Did I say the others hadn't increased their prices? No, I said their prices were better - which they are. Wanting people to lose their jobs? Ego? Where are you getting all of this from? You rage is a bit concerning dude. Seek help my guy. Psychologists can be a great help, especially in this day and age. Let go of the rage.
@@MysticDragonForce There is no wrong with me and clearly there is something wrong with you. Refusing to support the hobby and backstabbing the top brands in the industry. Wanting the hobby to fail and not wanting the hobby to grow. It wouldn't do the UK heritage scene any good if we lost any of the top heritage railways. You wanting to sacrifice the hobby just because you refuse to see the bigger picture.
I have a pre-order on that Hornby Deltic DP1 and I sure hope the gap between bogie and body is a lot smaller than you just showed here ! I have recently bought a Prototype Deltic with Sound from Locomotion Models which looks spot-on !
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The new models from Bachmann/EFE Rail, Dapol, Accurascale and Hornby all look amazing. I hope you will get to review each and everyone of them when they come out to the market to be sold, Sam. By the way, do you plan to review the redesign Hornby A4s, Sam?
Accurascale and the other manufacturers are something to look forward too! However, good on dapol. Their OO scale models have been hit-or-miss from what I have heard, but applause should be awarded to them.
Very excited by the LSWR T3, hoping for a model of the preserved example No.563 currently running on the Swanage Railway as well as other LSWR liveried versions. Love the attention to detail, there's even two different types of splashers, with or without the brass strips Hadn't really planned on buying the Accurascale Pannier Tank, even though they looked to be of the usual high Accurascale standard, as I already have numerous examples of Pannier Tanks. However I've now ordered both L91 & L94 as well as the NCB version, looking forward to receiving them.
Similar to yours, my E Class had similar wonky things which I asked Rails of Sheffield to check for before sending it out to Australia whhich they obviously didn't, so I sent it back to Rapido and they send me a replacement one which I'm loving so far! On the other hand I suspect a lot of things at Hornby are going very very wrong
Ahh excellent - pity about the issues with Rapido, but they certainly step up to the mark and make things right, so props to them for that! Yeah I think you could be right! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The news is always a worthwhile watch that you should be commended for. Cheers. I see you have been nominated for the Hornby UA-cam channel of the year award. In my opinion you should win on the quality of the news alone. However, I do realise that your "joie de Vivre" will not be effected a single jot if you do not. Cheers.
Many thanks Paul that's very kind - yeah that's right, it's a pleasure to be nominated but I don't tend ask anyone to vote for me - I get all the satisfaction I need from doing these videos, so I just focus on that! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Dear Sam, if you want, what you could comment on is the new Trix 22885 just announced yesterday/last Thursday which is the Flying Scotsman in 2015 in wartime black livery as per the NRM in York. Kepp well!
Announced by Märklin as art. nr. 39969 as well (3-rail variant of course). Same price at 599 Euro. We took reception of the green livery from the 1st batch, which has been very well received. We are going for this newly announced variant. Delivery planned in Dec. 2024 😀
With the imminent arrival of the TT Class 66, I'll be interested to see Arnold producing the Continental versions. It'll be interesting to see how they justify what is quite likely to be a higher price than that asked for the UK variants. I guess the tooling variants will bump up price, along with the dreaded addition of traction tyres!
The T3 maybe over 100 years old but there is a live one running on the Swanage Railway in Dorset and it looks pretty good pulling 5 mark one's in BR Southern Green.
Always good to hear what new and current for the month ahead. Would you consider revisiting Hornby’s HMDCC Bluetooth solution again? It’s been a year now since its launch and hopefully had moved forward; selection of sound profiles and reliability; not gonna blow after a day. Been trying to get hands on certain model versions of their TTS but with the sound file in their current list it’s an avenue im considering especially with the dongle adapter for the select controller…. All best Marc from Leighton Buzzard
You say beginners will be "slapped in the face" when they graduate up from the entry train sets, but this has always been the case. At Christmas 2001 when I first began collecting, the Flying Scotsman train set was available from the Littlewoods Index catalogue for £99.99. Loco, 3 coaches, controller, oval of track and a siding. For my birthday in the January immediately following, I looked at buying an A4, but the RRP at this time was £84.99. Entry level sets will always be loss leaders - they could have a decent margin on them because they will be produced in higher volumes (guaranteed sellers), but are clearly priced at close to cost in order to get people into the hobby. There's nothing new in that.
How Hornby can't make a profit is beyond me, so much of their stuff is poor quality but sold at premium prices. Save your money and but Accurascale or Dapol.
I’ve bought a lot of their 4 & 6 wheel coaches since they’re easier to find than the Hattons ones, but when it comes to locos I’ve mostly just got Bachmann ones.
Good video Sam the Dapol O gauge kit is good and great prices ,some of it cheaper than oo !!!! As for Hornby it is like the post office i reckon due to lack of demand they raise their prices to make up the short fall just like the stamp increase , just my thoughts
Hi Sam, the Dapol O gauge 66 I have on preorder and I have also upgraded it for the Super sound version. There are some very interesting things/ features in your video so I will be saving it, one other item is the Hornby prototype DELTIC and I just love the model and livery. But will I want to pay that price, many years ago I bought a conversion kit for the Lima green livery MELD and I still have it today. I painted it in the English Electric blue as I thought it appropriate. I even ran it last week on my Club night. Regards from Ron 🚂👍😃🚂
I'm in for the Manning Wardle, hoping Rapido would not botch the whole manufacturing process. Same with the Y7, LNER fan inside ! and I'm in for the S160, comparison with my Roco Italian one incoming ! Hats off to Dapol to be straightforward with their problems with the Class 66. What they do should be the standard in the industry. Rapido is not bad at this kind of communication too. Mmmmmm... I've already have the 57xx by Bachmann, but the Accurascale model taunts me... Why not ? I'll see your review of her before taking my decision. Hornby : "Let's shot ourselves in the foot ! Where is the .50 HMG ?"... If they want to price like Germans, you should have the same quality as Germans. My last buy is a BR 42 by Trix, costing around 430 €/GBP 400, the equivalent of the LNER P2 in configuration (2-8-2 tender but a freight engine), and I might someday made a direct comparison between both, the P2 taunts me...
Great Model Railway News - Large update altough the increases, fantastic and i am absolutly shoked when every year, PRICE INCREASE, EVERY TIME! Hope something will change about prices and i hope train products like Hornby, Dapol etc dosent get rubish. But i dont think thats gonna happens and thank you for sharing us this video - :) ☕️
A good video here Sam, some great articles covered, my main purchase this month was some hornby premium range pullmans, I have altogether managed to get 10 of them which also include some of the more unique ones like the New Century Bar and Devon Belle observation car One model I hope to have soon is my bullied Leader from KR models, according to KR the shipping of that mode from china is not to long now so hopefully will have that at some point before the end of this year. Might look at the London transport pannier from accurascale as it’s a livery that does look very good on them and currently I don’t have a pannier tank at all.
I think, that im going to collect the rest of hornbys terriers and the 4 wheel stroudley coaches then im done with hornby in terms of new stuff as they really have proven to be a major let down especially when it comes to prices...
For the USATC engines, hope they also manufacture S100s (the original USA dock tank), one of the hardest tank engine models to find and obtain depending on their availability.
In the short-term Hornby have been blurring their price increases by offering discounts by email. I do hope that new Deltic has a decent motor and they do not test it using a feedback controller.............
Sam, a couple of missing items in your news. First of all, accurascale have showed the rest of the panniers decorated samples, including one they messed up thanks to a typo. On the same day as you news video went up last month, heljan announced new tooled 00 scale class 155/153’s. Rapido just announced class 45’s and 46’s in N guage. And finally today Bachman and efe rail announce n gauge class 41’s. Sorry you’re exhausted, but there’s still more news to cover!
I remember a few years ago, we were saying Bachman and Hornby were ripping us off with £180-250 priced locos but now we are saying those are reasonable for a little tank engine 😂 as someone who really wants to get into the hobby whilst I normally purchase second hand from eBay/ Facebook marketplace the prices are off putting if you want to get something brand new.
The l class locos are preserved at middleton railway in leeds with sir Berkley with an open cab and Matthew Murray previously Arthur is the closed cab l class as well as the lime green y7 locomotive 1310 qt middleton railway
Okay, Sam. We’re itching for a review of the new Deltic! You know you want one!! If it passes Sam’s review, I may have to consider buying one. It would be my first British model. OTOH, if it turns out to be a ridiculously overpriced piece of rubbish, I won’t buy one. 🤣 With all that metal, though, they’re probably going to have to put two coreless motors in it!
LSWR T3 has been, maybe still is, at Swanage. Graham "Muz" Muspratt did an introduction the other day, with Richard of Bachmann often getting in shot! It is also on UA-cam
After running conversions to USD, the new price for the sound/smoke fitted P2 is higher than the Commodore Vanderbilt by Broadway Limited, which is not just sound and smoke fitted, but is also fully diecast. The DP1 is almost as much as the FEF northerns from BLI, which have sound and smoke on board as well as being fully diecast with smoking whistles. Why?
Thanks for the update Sam… please let us know if you hear any murmurs of other manufacturers besides Hornby getting involved in tt120 scale locos. Thanks.
It's not just the high prices that stops someone like myself getting into the hobby. I just want to mention as someone only in the last month that has thought about buying something from scratch only to discover that nothing is available to buy that would interest me a deltic a class 37 class 33 all sold out. Accurascale sells out on its pre-orders almost immediately, what the hell. Even in Australia Auscision is the same you have to wait months for anything such as their N class locomotive. I'd say no availability is affecting sales more as I have discovered this new form of retail where things are only made to order is weighted against the customer. Why can't Accurascale see the demand and make as many models as required, but they don't even do that, they close orders to when many more people would chosen to buy the product.
Agreed. I got back into the hobby during lockdown and quickly discovered many of the models I wanted were no longer available. The only way to get them was to buy second hand which is how I've bought the vast majority of locos in my collection.
If you do a review of the new Bachmann 31...can you check if it is all wheel pick up or just on the outer 4 axles as reported in 1 review...btw it supposed to be A1A-A1A but it drives on all 6 axles lol
No big loss with the Hornby track, you couldn't pay me to use their points, the quality and the frogs are horrible things, PECO track is miles ahead in quality, and my 2nd choice for track would be Kato for N and OO/HO
Hey sam's trains. Do you think a company besides hornby will ever make a model of an LBSC E2 class tank engine with a new mold that isn't 40 years old and is up to date with other model trains?
When I saw the T3 in the thumbnail, I was SURE I was looking at a K2. If Edward's Railway Series basis never gets modeled, maybe I'll just get one of these and paint it Furness Railway maroon. It's close enough for me, and would save me hundreds of hours building one from a Shapeways body and chassis parts.
If you're referring to my Furness K2 bodyshells and parts etc I'd order things directly, not just my range but anything that's on Shapeways as they have gone bankrupt. Still need to remove all the Shapeways links from the Sparkshot SCC website.
@@sparkshot I don't have a super big budget, and based on my experience with kits, I'm not sure if I would ever get around to completing even a 3D printed piece of rolling stock, so I'm probably not going to start buying stuff emotionally. Out of curiosity, is there an alternative seller to Shapeways, and can you see yourself and other Shapeways makers like you selling the print files directly to the public if there isn't? What do you think the future is for products currently listed on Shapeways?
@@Charmaster04 - I've released a blog post on my Sparkshot Custom Creations website telling people to not buy there for now and purchase things directly as I'm doubting they can fulfill orders. Wyat I really need to do is remove the Shapeways links but as I'm also working a full time 42.5 hour job plus ckmmute n house work finding time between printing SCC orders to develop things is proving tricky! Regarding selling 3D files I'm working on releasing an engine shed as a purchasable download for the STL files but the locomotove bodies etc which are current bread n butter items will be physica 3D prints only. Truth be told I'm not comfortable releasing the files as they are like CD's n MP3's once released inyo the wild you lose control of them and they can be printed and sold infinite number of times. I'm willing to do it for things I either can't or don't want to print or smaller items I'm not too bothered about though.
@@Charmaster04 I'm releasong an engine shed for downloadable files bit won't be releasing my engines as it's too risky to let valuable files into the wild
Dear Sam, please can you mention in the next month news that rapido are doing an ivor the engine? I know its not Thomas but im certain that anyone who grew up with thomas will have discovered Ivor at some point :) Thanks!
Oh, ye gods of all stars, those Hornby prices are ... multiple expletives deleted ... When that all die cast Deltic was announced, after the price hikes on other models, my first thought was "bet this drives a tank battalion through the £500 barrier". As a result, £349 doesn't sound too bad, IF of course it lives up to the billing, but it'll have to offer a LOT for that money. The other thought about that die cast Deltic being, of course, "will it break the 1 kg barrier mass wise?" Will this be the first time Sam's Trains conducts locomotive mass tests on a weighbridge? Especially with it being a Deltic, which is going to be a heavy beast even when built in conventional style, but all die cast? I'll bet that thing hits 1,200 grams when it's finally in Sam's hands, and it'll need a beast of a motor to propel that mass if so. Or possibly two motors, one for each bogie. Imagine that mechanism ... two 5 pole motors, each with its own flywheel and all metal gears ... and if it's as heavy as I predict, it'll need them ...
That T3 looks so good.
I know it’s bad to say but, that would make a terrific custom for a certain k-2.
My first Flying Scotsman train set cost £15. But that was in the 1970’s.😂😂😂😂. As Hornby are charging so much for new stock, I’m glad I switched over to O Gauge.
Absolutely insane that Hornby's DP1 will be £20 less at the retailers for a DCC ready version than a full blown O gauge 66! I know which one will be better value for money...
Yeah absolutely - Dapol won't be beaten by Hornby on value any more!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The T3 announcement was the one thing that caught my attention very fast
Yeah me too - total surprise that!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Well, that was a mouth full and is saturated with exciting news all around. All the manufacturers are stepping up to the plate and swigging for the bleachers. I take it the unacceptable manufacturer was in China and suspect that the future will be interesting with a move to India or Mexico but I'm guessing and trying to be the Devil's advocate, what fun, lol. I commend you on your delivery and verbal skills because I would have had a number of eh, ahh, and dead airtime. It does amaze me how you rattle that stuff off and wonder how many takes are involved but I don't see any seams, so I have to assume it just flows. Anyway, great video as always, Jersey Bill
haha it sure was a mouth full! Yes I think the manufacturer will have been in China as most of Dapol's models do seem to be made there, and I assume their replacement factory will also be in China but we'll see! haha yeah - I'm not as great at delivery as I may seem... I'm an editor more than anything else... but I'm better than I was with practice haha! Thanks a lot Bill!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
2 points Hornby are pricing themselves out of business Suggest you move construction of models to Mexico or India thechild labour used in a lot of Asian countries is not o 😊
The T3 was definitely the most exciting reveal. We all sort of knew it would happen after the return to steam, and I’m interested to see if we get both LSWR pea green and mint & chocolate as livery options. It would also be nice if it was available at Locomotion Models, even if it isn’t part of the collection anymore.
@@joshslater2426 Going by the logic of a recent return to steam another model that would be great to have is a rerelease of the bachmann A2 as Blue Peter as that has recently just come back after a very long overhaul.
I thought so too - very exciting! It may well be - It's a general release, so they could stock it!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I was at the Braderie in Lille, France today (Europe's biggest annual flea market) and found a Bachman Deltic for €65! I don't even have a layout at the moment but I couldn't say no to it 😁
That's the spirit!
Blimey that's not a bad price - and they say those are decent models!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Most used 00 is bargain prices here on the continent, because next to nobody buys it. I got a Hornby starter set (Devon Flyer) used for £39.
While prices continue to rocket, at least we still aren't even close to European levels of cost. I returned from Berlin last week, and visited a few model shops while over there. Low budget coaches at the equivalent of £60 each? Or detailed coaches with lights fitted for £120? 3 coach DC DMU for £600 or with DCC sound at £800? It puts our prices into perspective when you see what prices are like elsewhere.
They do things differently over there, don't they?
The hobby is firmly anchored in the pockets of late middle aged and retired men.
I have family in Hamburg ~ MiniaturWonderland land olé! and found it easier to introduce the boys to our wonderful world by filling my suitcase with Hornby kid-friendly products (and a couple of pairs of socks for me) rather than try to stomach the sight of a €500 german loco steaming off the edge of a baseboard. This despite the pitying "tuts" from the otherwise friendly bloke behind the counter in the local train shop.
Well said. Moaning Brits don't know how well off they are, and the one thing Sam omits is the fact that Hornby are losing money hand over fist, as well as the fact they are no more expensive than Bachmann. But then again, he's got it in for Hornby, whereas Dapol, Rapido and Accurascale, no matter what garbage they produce, nearly always get more positive comments-
@@eisenbau Sam's dismay with Hornby is not unique to him. We long-standing fans of model railways in Britain have no more hair to tear out at the incomprehensible actions of Hornby Hobbies in the past several years. It's a wonder that the 'going concern' is still going, what with the company's seeming love of shooting itself in the foot time and again!
Yeah European prices are crazy - but any British manufacturer charging those prices would just be squashed by the competition... we're comparatively lucky over here that our industry is so competitive!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I remember being on Kings Cross station when the original Deltic arrived, resplendent in blue with cream lining.
It was an unknown arrival and caused a mass migration from the end of Platform 10, as was, to go alongside the new leap into the future. We were absolutely gobsmacked.
Ahh must have been such an incredible sight - I bet gobsmacked was definitely the word!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Excellent video, Sam. Saw a video of the T3 running earlier this year, and thought Hornby could make a model of it. Funny how Bachmann beat them to it lol. Here’s hoping they get the green right cause Lord knows Hornby can’t be consistent haha.
Glad to see that the H/Y7 will be released soon, with no news of the Stirling Single. The more space between these releases, the better.
No one was going to enjoy the Hornby price increases, but the fact not all models are affected intrigues me. After watching this, I looked up the Mallard Record Breaker set on Rails, and the price doesn’t seem to have changed at all. Very pleased with this.
Take care of yourself, Sam. Cheers.
Thanks a lot David - yeah I'm glad EFE did it actually - their (Kernow's) models are better than Hornby's these days! Yeah interesting that things are quiet on the Single, not sure when that's coming!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
👍 👍 Loving that T3 ... Good updates Sam , Thanks !
Me too - looks amazing doesn't it? :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sadly I don’t see hornby as a whole surviving for much longer thanks to these increases in price
I have a Y7 on pre-order. When I saw the announcement I gave my old Y7 (M&L white metal kit) a bit of a run. Love these tiny engines.
Well done Rapido!!! Any company can have quality issues, but the important thing is how a company responds to those issues!!!
I saw the fr k2 on the thumbnail and clicked immediately
Edit: it was a T3
three cheers for Dapol with that statement! Hornby is more of a sigh of frustration, as (when I used to deem them good enough) I bought Hornby Super Detail Gresley Pacifics for as cheap as 115 quid! thanks as always Sam
Hi Sam. H's Deltic looks fabulous in all metal for that price. That's simply staggering surprising they even can pull it off for that amount, putting it into European continental perspective. Of course quality in the end has always been the question in the case of H, but the construction in all die-cast does look most impressive. Cheerio.
It does indeed Linda - the quality is still the big question mark, but European prices aren't really a good demonstration of what's possible for a certain budget... British companies like Accurascale can much better show what's possible for, say £170, so with a budget like H's for the Deltic, it *should* be damn good!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Let's keep fingers crossed Sam that it is going to be really stellar. The best demonstration of what British companies can do would be Bachmann probably. They apparently also include QA which all of the others clearly lack. Only B seems to be able a to offer a consistent flawless RTR experience. All the other always have issues, or at the least with a high chance. Depends on the buyer. On the continent we just do not accept any flaw, which does drive the price up, keeping production in Europe with PIKO as the exception; all run by German management, even in China in the case of PIKO.
I'm assuming the prototype Deltic will be branded Hornby Dublo.
Well I’m going broke 😭 I have three locos due soon from Rapido, and I’m now thinking of ordering a T3 (I’ve always wanted that loco in model form!!!) and that London Transport pannier. Thanks for sharing the news as always Sam!!
hahaha I know the feeling - it's all happening at the moment!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I think it happens to all of us 😭😂
The Rapido Manning Wardle Bombay is super exciting! Love from a Bombay boy!
Thanks!
Thank you so much Paul, that's unbelievably kind!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Very excited for the Bachmann Addams T3, can't wait for the color samples, sits on the wanted list so far.
The Accurascale London Transport Pannier, NICE!
I bought a Rapido Lion with DCC and the decoder was busted on arrival, but yeah they was very helpful and fixed it for free when I sent it back, so I can also say their costumer service is excellent at least!
Perhaps Hornby have kept the Beginners' locos at their previous price because it's coming up to Christmas?
Interesting to see if they go up in price in January.
My favorite Sam would have to be the Accurascale 57xx in the LT maroon, I can't wait to order mine.
Check Jasper & Willow
Hi Sam, just a quick note to say how pleased I am with the wooden plank wagon 6/60 I received whilst overseas!! Good grief its absolutely brilliant mate, amazing detail, and the decrepid wood look is awesome which gives it added realism! I'm looking forward to the next project with anticipation!.Great stuff mate!!!!👍👍👍
Ahh that's so lovely to hear - many thanks for the kind words! Working hard on the next projects now - looking at December to launch them!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thanks for another packed news item Sam.
I just returned from the International N Gauge Show and there were so many new models from Dapol, Bachmann, Rapido and Revolution Trains…
Please can you consider covering some N gauge in future? I am of course aware that these are long videos now, but an occasional mention would be great.
I am sure you would like to see the N gauge Battle of Britain / West Country (without a tender and drive shaft!) from Dapol for example.
Best
You'd have to admit Sam, that the Rapido E-Class you had reviewed sure had some "Character" with all the glue marks and crooked smoke stack on it! LOL! 🤣🤣🤣 Glad they sent you a better replacement.
hahaha it did have character!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I wouldn't worry about Hornby increasing the prices of their track... I don't know a single modeller who uses Hornby track when Peco's is so much better.
I would love to return to my favourite childhood hobby... but the prices....
absolutely hideous.
What a shame.
When I saw the T3 in the thumbnail, I knew I had to watch it.
I ordered the Dublo Deltic DP1 when it was first announced. Looking at the photos on the Engine Shed I'm glad I did it was £332 for the sound version. Assuming they honour that price, I thinks it's good value for an all metal loco with DCC controlled fans etc.
It has more diecast than my Trix ,Brawa, Roco Ho collection which all have plastic bogies. The somewhat dated wagons and locos made in Switzerland by HAG are all diecast and expensive.
What the hell is wrong with Hornby? Are they actually trying to destroy themselves? I haven't bought anything from Hornby in years, and I don't see that changing. With Accuracscale, Dapol, Rapido, etc offer amazing models are better prices, why even bother with Hornby anymore? Geez Sam, even your own models by comparison are better value when you scale the quality/price differences.
No they are not and just you wanting the hobby to fail. Having no knowledge on business and manufacturing models.
@@LNER985 What are you smoking? Hornby's prices these days are beyond ridiculous, and IMO not worth what you are paying for. Accurascale/Dapol/etc are much more reasonable.
@@MysticDragonForce I don't smoke and you're the one. Wanting people to lose their jobs and acting the other manufactures haven't increased their prices. Ignoring the current economic climate of the world refusing to understand what goes into manufacturing models. If the new Hornby black 5 was manufactured in the UK it would cost £1000 and you are literally overreacting. Prices for everything have increased in the past number of years and labour isn't as cheap as it use to be. Pete Waterman and others continue to help the hobby yet you want to throw that away for the sake of ego.
@@LNER985 Did I say the others hadn't increased their prices? No, I said their prices were better - which they are. Wanting people to lose their jobs? Ego? Where are you getting all of this from? You rage is a bit concerning dude. Seek help my guy. Psychologists can be a great help, especially in this day and age. Let go of the rage.
@@MysticDragonForce There is no wrong with me and clearly there is something wrong with you. Refusing to support the hobby and backstabbing the top brands in the industry. Wanting the hobby to fail and not wanting the hobby to grow. It wouldn't do the UK heritage scene any good if we lost any of the top heritage railways. You wanting to sacrifice the hobby just because you refuse to see the bigger picture.
I have a pre-order on that Hornby Deltic DP1 and I sure hope the gap between bogie and body is a lot smaller than you just showed here ! I have recently bought a Prototype Deltic with Sound from Locomotion Models which looks spot-on !
I can't wait to get the T3 Sam train, which is my favourite of all time. Really hope there make the Swanage railway now in October 2023- to now.
great vlog obn channel keep up the great lot cool update on cool things thanks lee
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The new models from Bachmann/EFE Rail, Dapol, Accurascale and Hornby all look amazing. I hope you will get to review each and everyone of them when they come out to the market to be sold, Sam. By the way, do you plan to review the redesign Hornby A4s, Sam?
They sure do don't they? I'll try and review as many as I can as always!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Accurascale and the other manufacturers are something to look forward too! However, good on dapol. Their OO scale models have been hit-or-miss from what I have heard, but applause should be awarded to them.
Great vid Sam. Shame about Hornby's ludicrous price Increases!
Very excited by the LSWR T3, hoping for a model of the preserved example No.563 currently running on the Swanage Railway as well as other LSWR liveried versions. Love the attention to detail, there's even two different types of splashers, with or without the brass strips
Hadn't really planned on buying the Accurascale Pannier Tank, even though they looked to be of the usual high Accurascale standard, as I already have numerous examples of Pannier Tanks. However I've now ordered both L91 & L94 as well as the NCB version, looking forward to receiving them.
An O gauge Class 66 for £336 is an absolute steal. Would've totally expected it to cost more than £500
There were alot of stream locomotive announced this month Sam. Let's just hope that there will be even more next month.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Some Bachmann rolling stock is very expensive. Like a single coach in VIA Rail livery (a Canadian passenger service), is over $120.
Yeah I've noticed that too - some of it is pricey!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Similar to yours, my E Class had similar wonky things which I asked Rails of Sheffield to check for before sending it out to Australia whhich they obviously didn't, so I sent it back to Rapido and they send me a replacement one which I'm loving so far!
On the other hand I suspect a lot of things at Hornby are going very very wrong
Ahh excellent - pity about the issues with Rapido, but they certainly step up to the mark and make things right, so props to them for that! Yeah I think you could be right!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
You can have a Manning Wardle to go with your Manning Wardle Sam!
hahaha yeah - think mine'll look pretty shoddy next to Rapido's haha!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The news is always a worthwhile watch that you should be commended for. Cheers. I see you have been nominated for the Hornby UA-cam channel of the year award. In my opinion you should win on the quality of the news alone. However, I do realise that your "joie de Vivre" will not be effected a single jot if you do not. Cheers.
Many thanks Paul that's very kind - yeah that's right, it's a pleasure to be nominated but I don't tend ask anyone to vote for me - I get all the satisfaction I need from doing these videos, so I just focus on that!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Dear Sam, if you want, what you could comment on is the new Trix 22885 just announced yesterday/last Thursday which is the Flying Scotsman in 2015 in wartime black livery as per the NRM in York.
Kepp well!
Yeah I did see that actually - very interesting that they're doing another batch, that must mean the first lot did well!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Announced by Märklin as art. nr. 39969 as well (3-rail variant of course). Same price at 599 Euro. We took reception of the green livery from the 1st batch, which has been very well received. We are going for this newly announced variant. Delivery planned in Dec. 2024 😀
Brilliant video as always Sam's train's 👍😎😊🤩😀😀
With the imminent arrival of the TT Class 66, I'll be interested to see Arnold producing the Continental versions. It'll be interesting to see how they justify what is quite likely to be a higher price than that asked for the UK variants. I guess the tooling variants will bump up price, along with the dreaded addition of traction tyres!
The T3 maybe over 100 years old but there is a live one running on the Swanage Railway in Dorset and it looks pretty good pulling 5 mark one's in BR Southern Green.
Awesome video today Sam lots of things to look forward to
Always good to hear what new and current for the month ahead. Would you consider revisiting Hornby’s HMDCC Bluetooth solution again? It’s been a year now since its launch and hopefully had moved forward; selection of sound profiles and reliability; not gonna blow after a day. Been trying to get hands on certain model versions of their TTS but with the sound file in their current list it’s an avenue im considering especially with the dongle adapter for the select controller…. All best Marc from Leighton Buzzard
Sam, will you consider trying the Bachmann Locomotion exclusive prototype Deltic? They have produced a new batch.
That does sound interesting - but I think I'd prefer to try the new Hornby one!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
You say beginners will be "slapped in the face" when they graduate up from the entry train sets, but this has always been the case. At Christmas 2001 when I first began collecting, the Flying Scotsman train set was available from the Littlewoods Index catalogue for £99.99. Loco, 3 coaches, controller, oval of track and a siding. For my birthday in the January immediately following, I looked at buying an A4, but the RRP at this time was £84.99. Entry level sets will always be loss leaders - they could have a decent margin on them because they will be produced in higher volumes (guaranteed sellers), but are clearly priced at close to cost in order to get people into the hobby. There's nothing new in that.
How Hornby can't make a profit is beyond me, so much of their stuff is poor quality but sold at premium prices. Save your money and but Accurascale or Dapol.
@@darreno9874 Hornby models are not poor quality.
I’ve bought a lot of their 4 & 6 wheel coaches since they’re easier to find than the Hattons ones, but when it comes to locos I’ve mostly just got Bachmann ones.
Good video Sam the Dapol O gauge kit is good and great prices ,some of it cheaper than oo !!!! As for Hornby it is like the post office i reckon due to lack of demand they raise their prices to make up the short fall just like the stamp increase , just my thoughts
Hi Sam, the Dapol O gauge 66 I have on preorder and I have also upgraded it for the Super sound version. There are some very interesting things/ features in your video so I will be saving it, one other item is the Hornby prototype DELTIC and I just love the model and livery. But will I want to pay that price, many years ago I bought a conversion kit for the Lima green livery MELD and I still have it today. I painted it in the English Electric blue as I thought it appropriate. I even ran it last week on my Club night. Regards from Ron 🚂👍😃🚂
I'm in for the Manning Wardle, hoping Rapido would not botch the whole manufacturing process. Same with the Y7, LNER fan inside ! and I'm in for the S160, comparison with my Roco Italian one incoming !
Hats off to Dapol to be straightforward with their problems with the Class 66. What they do should be the standard in the industry. Rapido is not bad at this kind of communication too.
Mmmmmm... I've already have the 57xx by Bachmann, but the Accurascale model taunts me... Why not ? I'll see your review of her before taking my decision.
Hornby : "Let's shot ourselves in the foot ! Where is the .50 HMG ?"... If they want to price like Germans, you should have the same quality as Germans. My last buy is a BR 42 by Trix, costing around 430 €/GBP 400, the equivalent of the LNER P2 in configuration (2-8-2 tender but a freight engine), and I might someday made a direct comparison between both, the P2 taunts me...
Amazing news sam, great job!
Great Model Railway News - Large update altough the increases, fantastic and i am absolutly shoked when every year, PRICE INCREASE, EVERY TIME! Hope something will change about prices and i hope train products like Hornby, Dapol etc dosent get rubish. But i dont think thats gonna happens and thank you for sharing us this video - :) ☕️
I’m very excited for the T3
Glad I pre ordered a Hornby DP1 before the price hikes. No way in hell I'm paying over £400.
I can't wait to see the decorated samples of those T3s 😁
A good video here Sam, some great articles covered, my main purchase this month was some hornby premium range pullmans, I have altogether managed to get 10 of them which also include some of the more unique ones like the New Century Bar and Devon Belle observation car
One model I hope to have soon is my bullied Leader from KR models, according to KR the shipping of that mode from china is not to long now so hopefully will have that at some point before the end of this year.
Might look at the London transport pannier from accurascale as it’s a livery that does look very good on them and currently I don’t have a pannier tank at all.
I think, that im going to collect the rest of hornbys terriers and the 4 wheel stroudley coaches then im done with hornby in terms of new stuff as they really have proven to be a major let down especially when it comes to prices...
£350 for a decently detailed O gauge class 66 is quite cheap, especially when you consider how much HO gauge locos from Marklin and Roco cost.
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At least we now know why there were no points on the display layout hornby made.
Looking forward to your next review in TT. The class 66 👍
For the USATC engines, hope they also manufacture S100s (the original USA dock tank), one of the hardest tank engine models to find and obtain depending on their availability.
The S100s are still available from model rail magazine!
In the short-term Hornby have been blurring their price increases by offering discounts by email.
I do hope that new Deltic has a decent motor and they do not test it using a feedback controller.............
Sam, a couple of missing items in your news. First of all, accurascale have showed the rest of the panniers decorated samples, including one they messed up thanks to a typo.
On the same day as you news video went up last month, heljan announced new tooled 00 scale class 155/153’s. Rapido just announced class 45’s and 46’s in N guage. And finally today Bachman and efe rail announce n gauge class 41’s.
Sorry you’re exhausted, but there’s still more news to cover!
I remember a few years ago, we were saying Bachman and Hornby were ripping us off with £180-250 priced locos but now we are saying those are reasonable for a little tank engine 😂 as someone who really wants to get into the hobby whilst I normally purchase second hand from eBay/ Facebook marketplace the prices are off putting if you want to get something brand new.
Oh! Please, please, please review that DP1!!!
The l class locos are preserved at middleton railway in leeds with sir Berkley with an open cab and Matthew Murray previously Arthur is the closed cab l class as well as the lime green y7 locomotive 1310 qt middleton railway
Märklin and Trix are continuing their British H0 range with a Flying Scotsman in wartime livery. Still modern era version though.
One of the running numbers of the panniers is the same one worn by a certain engine number 8 on a certain north western railway
Okay, Sam. We’re itching for a review of the new Deltic! You know you want one!! If it passes Sam’s review, I may have to consider buying one. It would be my first British model. OTOH, if it turns out to be a ridiculously overpriced piece of rubbish, I won’t buy one. 🤣 With all that metal, though, they’re probably going to have to put two coreless motors in it!
LSWR T3 has been, maybe still is, at Swanage. Graham "Muz" Muspratt did an introduction the other day, with Richard of Bachmann often getting in shot! It is also on UA-cam
Accurascale is also making a Pannier tank with Duck’s real life number and GWR lettering.
After running conversions to USD, the new price for the sound/smoke fitted P2 is higher than the Commodore Vanderbilt by Broadway Limited, which is not just sound and smoke fitted, but is also fully diecast. The DP1 is almost as much as the FEF northerns from BLI, which have sound and smoke on board as well as being fully diecast with smoking whistles. Why?
I'll try and help you get the class 66 if you wants, they're my fav mainline diesel
I see some Wellsworth and Suddery cusoms coming up with those new Manning Wardles
Great Stuff Sam
Thanks for the update Sam… please let us know if you hear any murmurs of other manufacturers besides Hornby getting involved in tt120 scale locos. Thanks.
the S160 samples look just as good as the Rapido (North America) CPR d10 ten wheelers
Although there is no N gauge I still find the channel very interesting and well presented.
Any plans to include N gauge in future ?
It's not just the high prices that stops someone like myself getting into the hobby. I just want to mention as someone only in the last month that has thought about buying something from scratch only to discover that nothing is available to buy that would interest me a deltic a class 37 class 33 all sold out. Accurascale sells out on its pre-orders almost immediately, what the hell. Even in Australia Auscision is the same you have to wait months for anything such as their N class locomotive. I'd say no availability is affecting sales more as I have discovered this new form of retail where things are only made to order is weighted against the customer. Why can't Accurascale see the demand and make as many models as required, but they don't even do that, they close orders to when many more people would chosen to buy the product.
Agreed. I got back into the hobby during lockdown and quickly discovered many of the models I wanted were no longer available. The only way to get them was to buy second hand which is how I've bought the vast majority of locos in my collection.
If you do a review of the new Bachmann 31...can you check if it is all wheel pick up or just on the outer 4 axles as reported in 1 review...btw it supposed to be A1A-A1A but it drives on all 6 axles lol
No big loss with the Hornby track, you couldn't pay me to use their points, the quality and the frogs are horrible things, PECO track is miles ahead in quality, and my 2nd choice for track would be Kato for N and OO/HO
I hope the T3 sets a trend of the demand for real life restored/new build locos, I would buy a lady of legend but such model does not exist!
Please, sam. When will the LBSCR Class E6, and the Bachmann L&YR Class 27, and the LNER Class B13 be released?
It is diametric how Hornby's DP1 will be such a heavyweight when the real Deltic locomotives were amazingly light for their power output.
Does the LSWR T3 have traction tyres?
Hey sam's trains. Do you think a company besides hornby will ever make a model of an LBSC E2 class tank engine with a new mold that isn't 40 years old and is up to date with other model trains?
When I saw the T3 in the thumbnail, I was SURE I was looking at a K2. If Edward's Railway Series basis never gets modeled, maybe I'll just get one of these and paint it Furness Railway maroon. It's close enough for me, and would save me hundreds of hours building one from a Shapeways body and chassis parts.
If you're referring to my Furness K2 bodyshells and parts etc I'd order things directly, not just my range but anything that's on Shapeways as they have gone bankrupt. Still need to remove all the Shapeways links from the Sparkshot SCC website.
@@sparkshot I don't have a super big budget, and based on my experience with kits, I'm not sure if I would ever get around to completing even a 3D printed piece of rolling stock, so I'm probably not going to start buying stuff emotionally. Out of curiosity, is there an alternative seller to Shapeways, and can you see yourself and other Shapeways makers like you selling the print files directly to the public if there isn't? What do you think the future is for products currently listed on Shapeways?
@@Charmaster04 - I've released a blog post on my Sparkshot Custom Creations website telling people to not buy there for now and purchase things directly as I'm doubting they can fulfill orders. Wyat I really need to do is remove the Shapeways links but as I'm also working a full time 42.5 hour job plus ckmmute n house work finding time between printing SCC orders to develop things is proving tricky!
Regarding selling 3D files I'm working on releasing an engine shed as a purchasable download for the STL files but the locomotove bodies etc which are current bread n butter items will be physica 3D prints only.
Truth be told I'm not comfortable releasing the files as they are like CD's n MP3's once released inyo the wild you lose control of them and they can be printed and sold infinite number of times.
I'm willing to do it for things I either can't or don't want to print or smaller items I'm not too bothered about though.
@@Charmaster04 I'm unsure of a Shapeways competitor. As they've gone bust you'll have to try n find the creators of each range seperately....somehow.
@@Charmaster04 I'm releasong an engine shed for downloadable files bit won't be releasing my engines as it's too risky to let valuable files into the wild
Is there any information on the Dapol GWR auto coach
Dear Sam, please can you mention in the next month news that rapido are doing an ivor the engine? I know its not Thomas but im certain that anyone who grew up with thomas will have discovered Ivor at some point :) Thanks!
Looks like the second hand market in model's will be boosted. Maybe treat yourself to a new model once or twice a year.
Oh, ye gods of all stars, those Hornby prices are ... multiple expletives deleted ...
When that all die cast Deltic was announced, after the price hikes on other models, my first thought was "bet this drives a tank battalion through the £500 barrier". As a result, £349 doesn't sound too bad, IF of course it lives up to the billing, but it'll have to offer a LOT for that money.
The other thought about that die cast Deltic being, of course, "will it break the 1 kg barrier mass wise?" Will this be the first time Sam's Trains conducts locomotive mass tests on a weighbridge? Especially with it being a Deltic, which is going to be a heavy beast even when built in conventional style, but all die cast? I'll bet that thing hits 1,200 grams when it's finally in Sam's hands, and it'll need a beast of a motor to propel that mass if so. Or possibly two motors, one for each bogie. Imagine that mechanism ... two 5 pole motors, each with its own flywheel and all metal gears ... and if it's as heavy as I predict, it'll need them ...
Those manning and wardle tank engines are perfect for the w&s fleet😅