Martials get another attack, casters get harder hitting spells, and hybrids/half-caster have there own nonsense to throw. Of course Violence is a wonderous answer!
@@akedus44 You know In Bleach when Aizen catches Ichigos Bankai and nearly cuts him In half? The situation Is like that with the roles dependent on having that extra attack
Level 5 is probably the biggest single jump in power in the game for most classes. Martials get their second attacks, and spell casters get third level spells which have some really powerful options.
@@B4dr4bbit By default he is a Rouge, but can multiclass or have Withers change his base class. I usually have him take 3 levels of Rouge and then switch to Fighter (for Action Surge at Fighter 2 and extra attack at Fighter 5) or Ranger (mostly for the level 3 Gloomstalker's Dread Ambusher attacks, but the Ranger 1 Favoured Enemy (usually Ranger Knight to let him use any armor) + Natural Explorer and Ranger 2 Fighting Style are also really nice to have).
@@magister343 I find he benefits more from bounty hunter for investigation proficiency, because i prefer to keep him relatively sneaky. Every run I've had him as 4 thief rogue, 5 gloom ranger, and 3 in battlemaster or champ fighter, usually battlemaster because an extra d8 damage on a gloomstalker sneak attack is so good.
Pretty much everyone gets a huge boost at 5, melee/ranged even more so, its a huge leap in power. Plus if voss wasn't relevant to the story i'd always choose to murder every single gith for what they've done on that bridge
The feat is called “fuck around”. On a successful roll you can fuck around and inflict the condition “finding out” on opponents, but on a failed roll you apply “finding out” to yourself and suffer the consequences
Yeah most classes really start to pop off by 5, it's kinda crazy how big a deal it is despite the big ASI/Feat being on 4 a lot of the strong key features of a class are on 5.
Level 5 is probably one of the most defining levels across all classes. You're either getting a second attack per turn or getting access to third level spells, it really is a defining power curve milestone.
@@michaeledmunds7056I’ve managed to squeeze out 15 attacks in a single turn in BG3. 3 from improved extra attack, 3 from action surge, 3 from elixir of bloodlust, 3 from haste, and 3 from mind sanctuary
@@RockoEstalon "You face 10 dragons, 20 werewolves, 100 redcaps, and a gnome with a rusty rake. What do you do, level 1 party?" 'normal' players: "I can take them." Bad dm: You all die. Immediately. Roll new characters. Good dm: Roll for initiative. The dragons, werewolves and redcaps are shocked by your display of utter lunacy and are surprised. Warrior hits the dragon in the snout. It lets out a puff of smoke and disappears, revealing that the gnome has been setting up illusions. What do you want to do?
@@RockoEstalon I think that's just conditioning from videogames and everything. most other games the whole "oh watch out this is a dangerous enemy" thing is just scripted so you ignore it. here it actually means something though
@@Warhamer116 A "good DM" as you put it doesn't always need to bend to the whim of the players. While I will admit your example was very explanatory of your point and brought up a creative way to avoid a TPK... You also created a bit of a strawman and on top of that rewarded players for reckless play instead of clever well thought out RP/Combat decisions. Also a good frame of reference for any balanced CL appropriate encounter is never having any single creature the party faces +2 CL above the average individual party member level. Ala a Level 3 party should never face a creature CL 6 and above and expect to win. At least not without a damn good plan or magic items to level the playing field (especially in older versions of D&D). Back to your example... Instead of outright rewarding players with showing all of the enemies are illusions. Perhaps have some of them be actual creatures of around proper CL to aid the gnome wizard simply hidden behind the vail of an advanced version of disguise self. (Because it's hard to make an individual creature a challenging fight for the players unless it's CL is in the unfair territories or it has a ton of environmental or legendary actions) On the topic of PC failure as well. It doesn't always need to end in a TPK, instead it could be a knock out and well transition the story from there. Hell even death doesn't need to be the end. Have the players go on a astral plane quest in their spiritual bodies trying to find a way to return to life and complete the main quest! There should be reward for smart play, and at least some punishment for less than acceptable levels of foolishness. The best way to find out what is the best middle ground to set for failure and misplays is to... Talk with the party.
@@recap1843 A good DM is able to influence the decisions of the players, but not make them for them, and then adapt to the consequences that naturally result from the actions taken by the players in influencing the story. You can have a lot of leeway in doing that, specifically if the DM writes the antagonist of the story to behave somewhat intelligently as it gives DM a lot of space to move the story beats around 'as a consequences of player actions' A DM doesn't play against the players, and doesn't 'bend' to the whims of the players, it's not 'party vs DM'. You can call it reckless behavior, some other might call the group to make a perception check when facing the swarm of dragons, and if someone gets a success, mention that the dragons are acting normally/unusually relaxed/inanimate (depending on dice results), giving players a clue that something is afoot. The barbar doing barbar things while shouting bar is a bit on the nose, but also in character if the rest of the party can't wrangle the murderhobo back in line- Which is the group's job, not the DM's. The DM just rolls with the punches and figures how the world would react to barbarian's decision to hit a fountain at the middle of the city with an ax, and it's up to the party to figure out how to get out of the mess. DM's role is to be the storyteller, and while that does require the DM to roll the dice for the antagonists, ultimately it's the players who make the story that the DM tells to them.
@@dandeliondunmer3637 Whats true. I played in coop with 2 mates (paladin and cleric) + me (sorc)+ my dear lady Karlach. That 2 stupid asses started a fight with giths and they kill us all, but not Karlach. I have done fight with gith boss with her alone.
i appreciate the extra detail of everyone wearing something red to show their bloodlust/confidence after lvl5 while they’re in non-red/green for 4 and under
all things considered it makes sense, no? level 5 is a HUGE level for almost every single class. extra attack for martials, 3d6 sneak attack and uncanny dodge for rogues, and 3rd level spells for casters (which notoriously are VERY strong for their level) its a neat little detail that makes this feel more D&D related.
I actually thought that it was funnier that all the lvl 4 shots were nice and clean and the lvl 5 shots were after a fight. " we've tasted blood and we want MORE, MORE, MORE!"
Results of 5th level: 1: Fighters, barbarians, paladins, Monks and rangers double their damage output. 2: Casters have access to 3rd level spells. Fireball, hunger of hadar, hypnotic pattern, Haste, Lightning bolt and sleet storm along with whatever other spells you want.
And a beast master Ranger's summon Ursa Major has a really good chance of disarming Voss and letting you acquire the best Gith sword in Act 1 instead of Act 3.
@@funninoriginal6054 Yes, but Voss has a +6 to Wisdom saves so the odds of Command: Drop working on him are not very good. You only get one shot to take any hostile act before he disappears. Your main characters also tend to get stuck in cut scenes, which animal summons do not trigger. I think to have any hope of Command Drop working you have to use a potion of invisibility before trying to sneak up to him. The potion is helpful for the bear too, but not essential.
Also applies to The D20. All fall prey to the single digits sooner or later. Convince the queen you're her long-lost son? Easy. Sneakily shortchange the drunk barkeep? You'll die where you stand.
REAL reminds me of the specific devnotes of astarion’s voice or something along those lines where they had to write down and i quote. “NOT TOO HORNY NEIL”
Pro tip: dump INT, kill the ogre leader, wear the item he drops (permanent 19 INT) and now you have an eldritch Knight that's actually good... or a wizard that can do other stuff too
@@MisterGoat-qq2sc It's 17 INT which functionally is just 16 INT. Mediocre for a proper wizard (but not for other classes multiclassing into it for more utility and support spells) but pretty good for the Eldrich Knight and Trickster Rogue.
@@MundaneThingsBackwardsYep, there is no way in the world that item was put there right near the beginning for any other reason than enabling those class options.
@@MisterGoat-qq2sc The Headband of Intellect gives you an INT of 19, but I think you have to cheat to get that. The one the Ogre ate was damaged, making it a Warped Headband of Intellect which only sets your INT to 17.
That Lvl 5 really is a game changer with that extra attack and lvl 3 spells, i quiver in fear if I decide to do the goth encounter in honor mode without my extra attacks.
Yeah, only to succeed the dialogue checks 4 times in a row and skip the fight entirely. I'm legit terrified to actually fight them again because I can't remember how much of a TPK threat they actually are.
@@markopusic8258 lmaooo when I pass the dialogue checks I get mad now cause I get super prepared for it, the tpk aspect is the fighters ganking one or two characters with action surge and extra attacks but it’s luckily not too bad of a fight more of a pain seeing a fighter fold a character that has lower AC/HP
@@Crippling_Depression As luck would have it, I had to take that fight again. I nearly TPKed with 2 members dead and a third at 2hp, and that's despite one shotting one of the 2 fighters before he got to act and approaching the fight at lvl6. Sarth Bareta just had to crit twice in 2 turns and cleave through 2 panther wild forms and 45 base hp, also sending my druid to the death realm without any death saving throw. And I got high rolled by the marauders for good measure. Yeah I remember now why I fear this fight so much, granted, I could have played it better but still... just wow.
The first 30 minutes into the game: We're sensible people and are willing to negotiate terms to a peaceful agreement. The rest of the game: Murder was always the only option
Managed to do it at lvl4 as well. Though I don't recall feeling confident I could reach lvl5 by the time I reached this point (been a while since I played. Life and all). But managed to do it. With Lae'zel disarming, and Wyll up on the overpass casting Eldritch Blast. Good times.
I swear they all become extraordinarily bloodthirsty after a certain point. Like, even Wyll, the good little warlock child, begins to go all murderhobo after a certain point which is amazing to me lol
I just played through this part because the witch was hard for me and the swamp even harder, I had to call the ogres after like 10 tries, i was going insane
It's work like this that makes this game fun. There is a LOT of darkness in it and I will never play an evil character, but this is just amazing levels of details. It's a subtle way to tell the player "you are not ready" or "go get 'em!" with regards to the player's ability to fight.
Lvl.4 or lower: "oof. No, definitely too difficult."
Lvl.5 or higher: *"VIOLENCE IS MERELY THE QUESTION."*
"AND THE ANSWER IS YES!"
Makes sense when you remember level 5 is when Barbarian, Paladin, and Fighter get multi attack
@@RobertsonIsland and monk 🥺🥺🥺
Martials get another attack, casters get harder hitting spells, and hybrids/half-caster have there own nonsense to throw. Of course Violence is a wonderous answer!
@@wardenkarn1664 thank you
Level 5+ Astarion needs a cold shower lol
ONLY SLIGHTLY, NEIL
Hahaha! He do so very like spicy food 😉😏
In blood?
@@russelllahna2268Nice 🤣🤣🤣💀
Cold showers make the problem worse, actually
what an extra 9HP will do to a mf
God this comment should have 10k
What an extra attack will do to a mf*
What haste will do to a mf*
What Spirit Guardians does to a mf*
What the dark urge does to a mf*
Lv 4: "Let's back away slowly"
Lv 5: "Nah, I'd win"
Why are you assholes all making the same joke?
The power of being able to hit one more time in your turn.
@@akedus44 LMAO
@@akedus44 You know In Bleach when Aizen catches Ichigos Bankai and nearly cuts him In half? The situation Is like that with the roles dependent on having that extra attack
@@akedus44power of third lvl spells, meaning fireballs
Not everyone feeling themselves after level 5 😂 I guess the extra attack really boosts the confidence.
Its that brand new Fireball thats itching to be used!
To be fair level 5 is a significant power boost for early game 😂 that's when I start feeling myself too lol
Level 5 is probably the biggest single jump in power in the game for most classes. Martials get their second attacks, and spell casters get third level spells which have some really powerful options.
It's so true! Lvl 5 confidence boost is needed for this fight lol.
The fight is significantly easier at lvl 5 than lvl 4.
Level 4 Astarion: "we cant do this shit yo"
Level 5 Astarion: "lemmestablemmestablemmestablemmestab"
well, fighters do get an extra attack at level 5
@@ididthisforreddit2428 he's a rogue.
@@B4dr4bbit By default he is a Rouge, but can multiclass or have Withers change his base class.
I usually have him take 3 levels of Rouge and then switch to Fighter (for Action Surge at Fighter 2 and extra attack at Fighter 5) or Ranger (mostly for the level 3 Gloomstalker's Dread Ambusher attacks, but the Ranger 1 Favoured Enemy (usually Ranger Knight to let him use any armor) + Natural Explorer and Ranger 2 Fighting Style are also really nice to have).
@@magister343 I find he benefits more from bounty hunter for investigation proficiency, because i prefer to keep him relatively sneaky. Every run I've had him as 4 thief rogue, 5 gloom ranger, and 3 in battlemaster or champ fighter, usually battlemaster because an extra d8 damage on a gloomstalker sneak attack is so good.
What my dyslexia read: "lemme stable, mme stable, mme stable, mme stable"
At level 5 they gain a feat named "Boosted Confidence".
Tier 2 baby
Pretty much everyone gets a huge boost at 5, melee/ranged even more so, its a huge leap in power.
Plus if voss wasn't relevant to the story i'd always choose to murder every single gith for what they've done on that bridge
@@aonirsplayground6224I remember being disappointed he just flys away with his dragon. I wanted to fight that!
So do most players. Usually bites them in the ass though.
The feat is called “fuck around”. On a successful roll you can fuck around and inflict the condition “finding out” on opponents, but on a failed roll you apply “finding out” to yourself and suffer the consequences
Lvl 4 Astarion: "..will carve you up like a goose."
Lvl 5: *Goostarion has entered the chat*
Underrated comment
Honk
It’s pronounced “HŒNK”
@@isaactanner5041Nono it’s “HOOOOŒNK”
Goostarion I'm crying😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣
Astrion got blood lust in his eyes
I'm pretty sure that's just regular blood in his eyes
He needs a wash
the way he says pretty please is too cute XDhe sounds so eager to destroy my enemies
And regular lust for me 😂
you need to cross out the blood, the only thing i see is lust
@@NC-ij9rbdown horrendous
I love this short cause ive seen this transition actually happen in games I've played in and DM'd, where confidence skyrockets upon hitting level 5
Yeah most classes really start to pop off by 5, it's kinda crazy how big a deal it is despite the big ASI/Feat being on 4 a lot of the strong key features of a class are on 5.
Level 5 is probably one of the most defining levels across all classes. You're either getting a second attack per turn or getting access to third level spells, it really is a defining power curve milestone.
@@GHOST7OUTLAWnot to mention the increase to proficiency bonus, which is going to make you better at a ton of things across the board
I feel like this is when most of my characters have died 😅 My parties get too confident
Fireball. The answer to everything is Fireball.
Never realized they had different reactions based on level thats cool.
Pretty sure that's patched in due to many people having extreme difficulty when facing them. It's a notorious spike in difficulty.
@colinnixon7739 I always just talk my way through it if I can. Bunch of lvl 5 fighters is rough if you don't have the control spells needed.
@@colinnixon7739it was there since release
Giths are always such a pain to fight...
Starfield wishes it could have this amount of nuance in its writing and gameplay
“We’ve got a roadblock to clear😈” based Wyll
We love Wyll
@@savannahlawson2869💯
Common Wyll W, that's why it's what's at the front of his name
Bro is on demon time, quite literally
"Time to clear out the trash."
you get that extra attack and suddenly you feel like you can take on the world
Well, some fighter builds in tabletop can attack 10+ times per round of combat, so that's not far from the truth. 😂
Or third level spells
@@michaeledmunds7056Yeah they can. For 2 rounds.
@@michaeledmunds7056I’ve managed to squeeze out 15 attacks in a single turn in BG3. 3 from improved extra attack, 3 from action surge, 3 from elixir of bloodlust, 3 from haste, and 3 from mind sanctuary
Extra Attacks and Fireball
Super clever way of letting you know which fights you can manage
DnD players have the super clever ability of ignoring it though lol the bane of all DMs.
@@RockoEstalon "You face 10 dragons, 20 werewolves, 100 redcaps, and a gnome with a rusty rake. What do you do, level 1 party?"
'normal' players: "I can take them."
Bad dm: You all die. Immediately. Roll new characters.
Good dm: Roll for initiative. The dragons, werewolves and redcaps are shocked by your display of utter lunacy and are surprised. Warrior hits the dragon in the snout. It lets out a puff of smoke and disappears, revealing that the gnome has been setting up illusions. What do you want to do?
@@RockoEstalon I think that's just conditioning from videogames and everything. most other games the whole "oh watch out this is a dangerous enemy" thing is just scripted so you ignore it.
here it actually means something though
@@Warhamer116 A "good DM" as you put it doesn't always need to bend to the whim of the players.
While I will admit your example was very explanatory of your point and brought up a creative way to avoid a TPK... You also created a bit of a strawman and on top of that rewarded players for reckless play instead of clever well thought out RP/Combat decisions.
Also a good frame of reference for any balanced CL appropriate encounter is never having any single creature the party faces +2 CL above the average individual party member level. Ala a Level 3 party should never face a creature CL 6 and above and expect to win. At least not without a damn good plan or magic items to level the playing field (especially in older versions of D&D).
Back to your example... Instead of outright rewarding players with showing all of the enemies are illusions. Perhaps have some of them be actual creatures of around proper CL to aid the gnome wizard simply hidden behind the vail of an advanced version of disguise self. (Because it's hard to make an individual creature a challenging fight for the players unless it's CL is in the unfair territories or it has a ton of environmental or legendary actions)
On the topic of PC failure as well. It doesn't always need to end in a TPK, instead it could be a knock out and well transition the story from there. Hell even death doesn't need to be the end. Have the players go on a astral plane quest in their spiritual bodies trying to find a way to return to life and complete the main quest!
There should be reward for smart play, and at least some punishment for less than acceptable levels of foolishness. The best way to find out what is the best middle ground to set for failure and misplays is to... Talk with the party.
@@recap1843 A good DM is able to influence the decisions of the players, but not make them for them, and then adapt to the consequences that naturally result from the actions taken by the players in influencing the story. You can have a lot of leeway in doing that, specifically if the DM writes the antagonist of the story to behave somewhat intelligently as it gives DM a lot of space to move the story beats around 'as a consequences of player actions'
A DM doesn't play against the players, and doesn't 'bend' to the whims of the players, it's not 'party vs DM'. You can call it reckless behavior, some other might call the group to make a perception check when facing the swarm of dragons, and if someone gets a success, mention that the dragons are acting normally/unusually relaxed/inanimate (depending on dice results), giving players a clue that something is afoot. The barbar doing barbar things while shouting bar is a bit on the nose, but also in character if the rest of the party can't wrangle the murderhobo back in line- Which is the group's job, not the DM's. The DM just rolls with the punches and figures how the world would react to barbarian's decision to hit a fountain at the middle of the city with an ax, and it's up to the party to figure out how to get out of the mess.
DM's role is to be the storyteller, and while that does require the DM to roll the dice for the antagonists, ultimately it's the players who make the story that the DM tells to them.
Karlach didn't have to come for us that hard, haha
Right??? I took burn damage from that and I didn't even touch her. I'm here like... Babe, may I remind you you're level 4 as well 🤣
Yeah but we all know Karlach is a power house even at lower levels. I had her tanking everything
@@dandeliondunmer3637also Soul Coins probably making Karlach the strongest from the team canonically at that point of time
@@dandeliondunmer3637 more like only at lower levels lol
@@dandeliondunmer3637 Whats true. I played in coop with 2 mates (paladin and cleric) + me (sorc)+ my dear lady Karlach. That 2 stupid asses started a fight with giths and they kill us all, but not Karlach. I have done fight with gith boss with her alone.
LV 4: Oh nose, tall grass is blocking the way
Lv 5: THE WORD IS GIVEN. EXTERMINATUS !!!
I like how Gale is the only one that's reasonably modest with his level 5 dialogue
"Those WHELPS are blocking the road" Shart boutta hit the "why I outta 🗣🤜"
Neil continues to amaze me with the emotion he puts into Astarion ❤
"We got a road block to clear". My man, Wyll.
i appreciate the extra detail of everyone wearing something red to show their bloodlust/confidence after lvl5 while they’re in non-red/green for 4 and under
thanks ♥️
all things considered it makes sense, no? level 5 is a HUGE level for almost every single class. extra attack for martials, 3d6 sneak attack and uncanny dodge for rogues, and 3rd level spells for casters (which notoriously are VERY strong for their level)
its a neat little detail that makes this feel more D&D related.
Fireball will solve any problem. Except for a Red Dragon. But that's what Lightning Bolt is for.
@@Leukodin Fortunately that dragon will just fly away immediately rather than engaging in the battle.
I actually thought that it was funnier that all the lvl 4 shots were nice and clean and the lvl 5 shots were after a fight. " we've tasted blood and we want MORE, MORE, MORE!"
Aatorian saying pretty please would have me caving so quickly
RIGHT LIKE WHATEVER U WANT MISTER . SIR YES SIR DONT HAVE TO ASK ME TWICE SIR
Level 7+ Party
"Are you Gith sure don't wanna call the dragon back? To keep the fight balanced, I mean?"
TELL EM WYLL 🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥💯
✨ they carve you up like a goose ✨
and if Goostarion says it you can believe it
Carve you up 😊 think a holiday dinner.
@@neverlandhunter6988 g-translate mistake 😁
Party lvl4 or lower: Oh hell no...!
Party lvl5 or higher: F#&K 'EM!
Astarion is fucking EDGING and it is making me very uncomfortable. Sir, calm down please, SIR- !
HELPPPPP DON’T SAY HE’S EDGING LMAOOO 😭😭 he’s just.
excited.
i love Gale's extremely measured response of "eh, i reckon we could fight them off if we had to i guess" lmao
Everyone else: We're probably not equipped to deal with that yet.
Karlach: Weak bitch.
and when she said that all I thought was "Talk dirty to me more, Mama K". BG3 has rotted my brain
Results of 5th level:
1: Fighters, barbarians, paladins, Monks and rangers double their damage output.
2: Casters have access to 3rd level spells. Fireball, hunger of hadar, hypnotic pattern, Haste, Lightning bolt and sleet storm along with whatever other spells you want.
It's not too much but proficiency bonus goes up too. So everyone's 'to hit' & spell DC go up.
@@5-Voltso is that how I can stop missing in the early 4 levels? I hate those levels so much lol
And a beast master Ranger's summon Ursa Major has a really good chance of disarming Voss and letting you acquire the best Gith sword in Act 1 instead of Act 3.
@@magister343 Can't you just cast Command in him instead?
@@funninoriginal6054 Yes, but Voss has a +6 to Wisdom saves so the odds of Command: Drop working on him are not very good.
You only get one shot to take any hostile act before he disappears.
Your main characters also tend to get stuck in cut scenes, which animal summons do not trigger. I think to have any hope of Command Drop working you have to use a potion of invisibility before trying to sneak up to him. The potion is helpful for the bear too, but not essential.
Ngl 4 to 5 is more or less almost 100% increase in the threat a party can beat
This is what happened when you focused on the characters instead of the dialogues. Every dialogue will come out naturally.
When the game creatively warns you that you’re underleveled
When your friends get Fireball, Spirit Guardians and Extra Attack then start actin brand new.
Idahbtrw,isicf!!
ASTARION IS SENDING ME LMAOOOO
also him saying please pretty please. whatever u want babygirl
Gale: Lemme use Fireball, please
Fuckin love Wyll. A "road block" sir that is a captain of a warrior race's death squad who has a pet dragon. And we're gonna wreck his shit.
Astarion must have finished his build and is ready to test it
I love Gales nonchalance "I guess we could kill them." And everyone else is on sight with them.
Ok but Astarion saying pretty please did something to me 😭🥵
Same. He sounded.....HUNGRY. 🥵
Damn, you get one extra level and everyone starts to get high on themselves lmao 😂
One level in D&D is the difference between slaying a god and getting bitched around by a bandit
Also applies to The D20. All fall prey to the single digits sooner or later. Convince the queen you're her long-lost son? Easy.
Sneakily shortchange the drunk barkeep? You'll die where you stand.
Level 5 is when you get fireball. At that point everyone better fear my willingness to kill my party along with whoever is trying to test me 😂
@@davonnedavis893 I made Gale an Evocation wizard. His spells no longer hurt the party.
The virgin “even the blade of frontiers has his limits
VS.
The chad
“Come on then. We’ve got a road block to clear”
Level 5+ Astarion getting all breathy like that is making me have thoughts that have nothing to do with battling githyankis 🤤😍
Putting the lust in bloodlust
@@destinygalearies7382omg I'm done 😂😂😂
you're going to horny jail
REAL
reminds me of the specific devnotes of astarion’s voice or something along those lines where they had to write down and i quote. “NOT TOO HORNY NEIL”
@@wizardfucker8999please tell me your lying 💀💀
*5 XP till level 5*
“Fuck no get them away from me!”
*1 goblin death later*
“What are you waiting for? Let’s kill em!”
Pass on by
Ride or die
“We got a roadblock to clear”
That was such a cold line will 💀
"The right troops" you say? How about this horn that calls three bloodthirsty ogres?
Pro tip: dump INT, kill the ogre leader, wear the item he drops (permanent 19 INT) and now you have an eldritch Knight that's actually good... or a wizard that can do other stuff too
@@MisterGoat-qq2sc It's 17 INT which functionally is just 16 INT. Mediocre for a proper wizard (but not for other classes multiclassing into it for more utility and support spells) but pretty good for the Eldrich Knight and Trickster Rogue.
@@MundaneThingsBackwardsYep, there is no way in the world that item was put there right near the beginning for any other reason than enabling those class options.
@@MisterGoat-qq2sc The Headband of Intellect gives you an INT of 19, but I think you have to cheat to get that. The one the Ogre ate was damaged, making it a Warped Headband of Intellect which only sets your INT to 17.
Can you summons them and kill,or do you need to do it first time you meet them. ? 🙏🏻
Lvl 5 Wyll: "Enough Talking, SCRAP!" *Teleports*
Lv4 karlach: youre trash but I'm HER
Lv5 karlach: at your service my queen/king
Jesus, Wyll. Did not expect him to go that hard 🔥🔥
This game never fails to impress me
Oh, the difference one level makes 😂and I’ve literally never heard the first Astarion line bc everyone’s so thirsty for that ‘pretty please’
Wyll had the best line.
Never realized this before
It's crazy how much more confident you feel once you realize that you can simply attack more than once in a six second window
Tav says something also, if they are alone
Lower level: ohh, I don't know, I don't think we are ready.
Higher level: MURDER TIME!!!
Lvl 4 Gale: "nah Wizard fragile"
Lvl 5 Gale: "BOOM!!! FIREBALL"
That Lvl 5 really is a game changer with that extra attack and lvl 3 spells, i quiver in fear if I decide to do the goth encounter in honor mode without my extra attacks.
Yeah, only to succeed the dialogue checks 4 times in a row and skip the fight entirely. I'm legit terrified to actually fight them again because I can't remember how much of a TPK threat they actually are.
@@markopusic8258 lmaooo when I pass the dialogue checks I get mad now cause I get super prepared for it, the tpk aspect is the fighters ganking one or two characters with action surge and extra attacks but it’s luckily not too bad of a fight more of a pain seeing a fighter fold a character that has lower AC/HP
IDK about you but if I have a goth encounter I'm usually aroused not in fear lol.
@@Crippling_Depression As luck would have it, I had to take that fight again. I nearly TPKed with 2 members dead and a third at 2hp, and that's despite one shotting one of the 2 fighters before he got to act and approaching the fight at lvl6. Sarth Bareta just had to crit twice in 2 turns and cleave through 2 panther wild forms and 45 base hp, also sending my druid to the death realm without any death saving throw. And I got high rolled by the marauders for good measure.
Yeah I remember now why I fear this fight so much, granted, I could have played it better but still... just wow.
What add on is used for the models? I like it
Shadowheart getting gamer neck
Oh that is a nice touch :D
The first 30 minutes into the game: We're sensible people and are willing to negotiate terms to a peaceful agreement.
The rest of the game: Murder was always the only option
Karlach : I'm enough
I did it at level 4 ... With the help of some oil barrels
Lol that's how to do it 😅
Managed to do it at lvl4 as well. Though I don't recall feeling confident I could reach lvl5 by the time I reached this point (been a while since I played. Life and all). But managed to do it. With Lae'zel disarming, and Wyll up on the overpass casting Eldritch Blast. Good times.
Makes sense, level 5 is such a huge power gap, you’re practically demi god at that point
When the dm has the npcs beg you not to fight that dragon.
5'11 vs 6ft
nah, the difference between lvl 4 and lvl 5 is like 5'2 vs 6´2 ft
Astarion begging to kill them is just like me when I play co op with my friend lmao
I swear they all become extraordinarily bloodthirsty after a certain point. Like, even Wyll, the good little warlock child, begins to go all murderhobo after a certain point which is amazing to me lol
That extra attack giving karlach way too much confidence
i love the emotions that neil put into astarion there O.O
I love Astarion’s the most TBH.
Love the confidence boost the second they hit level five; like a real d&d party, this lot.
“Pretty please” DIDNT HAVE TO ASK ME TWICE ASTARION!!!
Level 5 Karlach is your ride or die.
Lvl 5 Shadowheart over here, who cannot hit the broad side of a barn, getting eager to disappoint me more.
It’s things like this that make BG3 so great !
Brown haired Shadow heart got me acting UP
Everyone talking about bloodthirsty/horny Astarion but god damn Shart gets a hell of an attitude and I love it. Queen and she knows it.
Mommy Karlach calling you trash 😭
Level up then???
Not Karlach roasting the whole party 😂
The voice acting is so goood, astarion in specific, you can feel the bloodlust in his voice
My first time around I did it at lvl 4 Gloom stocker Ranger and a dozen tries
I just played through this part because the witch was hard for me and the swamp even harder, I had to call the ogres after like 10 tries, i was going insane
My strategy nowadays is to disarm Voss and get his Silver Sword
Karlach chatting like she isn’t also level 2 😂 (I love her)
Shadowheart: GO GO Gadget Neck
"We've got a roadblock to clear!" is such a cold line it started snowing in the hells.
It's work like this that makes this game fun. There is a LOT of darkness in it and I will never play an evil character, but this is just amazing levels of details. It's a subtle way to tell the player "you are not ready" or "go get 'em!" with regards to the player's ability to fight.
Gale having glasses should be canon 😮
lmao when i first got astarions i was doing my first durge run & i was like “yes my dear whatever u want”
If wyll talked like that on every interaction I would be smitten, bit he's always a little more righteous than funny
Let’s see Paul Allen’s level 5 response.
Well Astarion when you beg me so pretty like that~
the astarion one made me think there was a geno route in Baldur's gate 3 for a second 💀💀💀
I don't see why there wouldn't be.
the big evil choices have a similar feel to geno ig
I did it at level 4. Ain't that bad
Level 4: Oh noooo a dragon
Level 5: *the dark urge did nothing wrong*
Less than level 5: “yeah I don't know about that…”
Level 5+: *FIREBALL* 🎶 🎶
Oh my god, I didn’t know there were different voice lines depending on character level. They went all out for this game..
This is why act 1 is the best imo