Meanwhile in Origins, you can sacrifice a actual kid to a demon to unlock blood magic, exchange elves for favors from slavers, and side with the werewolves.
@@JohnJ-r6x What mental gymnastics? It only make sense to compare Veilguard with the best game in the series, does it not? Sure though, after ME Bioware drastically cut down on roleplay in their games. But in DA 2 and Inquisition you can at least be rude, strongly disagree with your companions and in a couple of places even downright sabotage their personal quests. It isn't much, but it's hell of a lot more than you can do in Veilguard.
@@JohnJ-r6x Inquisition was decent narrative-wise. It's just that the game was the worst-looking of the series for some reason and had useless side quests.
@@JohnJ-r6xDragon age 2: You can still stuff from a poor kid, sell your friend back to his master, sell out another friend stole something from the bad guys, stop another friend from saving her people and killing them, having your friend kill her siblings, Hawke has to kill his own mother; Also kill all the mages including your own sister. You can even kill your own friends if they disagree with you; there is a system where you can challenge their beliefs. No evil choices my ass. Even the third game got some even. Just because you hate the game doesn't mean they don't exist
Save your companion and than betray rhem. Erase memory of Shadow heart. Let child be killed, than killer be poisoned by parents of that child. Broke legs of paralasied women. Force Minsk to kill Jaheira. You can do so much more evil stuff than just killing everyone.
having the choice to be an asshole, is what makes choosing to do good meaningful. without the free will for the player to make the character choice then you cant truly play a character.
In otherwords, if your gonna be playing a god damn RPG with a emphasis on player customization & choices, said game, better have more plot progression pathings then the number of endings in Shadow the Hedgehog (the video game). Aka literally Baldur`s Gate 3 where its not simply about being a Dik sometimes cause you feel like it and your rail roaded to be a good boi. Its instead where you can actually have real effects on the story with who lives, dies, ends up in a entirely different state of being and actually affects thar epilogue in real ways. AKA the best fun is where even if you still at the end of the game, defeat the `beeg bad antagonist` of the story, how you approach it can be so flexible that you can either rush them and huck them into space, deploy a tactical chain reaction of splosions, end up causing them to contract some kind of dangerous disease that actually makes them die by the end of the game or just be so fragile you can blow them over with a gust of wind. Hence why some games become not only fantastic to play multiple times over but also to even watch to see how some people manage to pull off things you never thought could be possible due to some particular things needing to be done to find out about it.
Whats sad, is this is exactly what BioWare said years ago about having the good and 'evil' path in their games. Only 5% of players ever really saw the bad path, but it existing is what made the good path meaningful. And yet, here we are. Playing Warriors who's entire skill tree is mage spells and being the super nice all the time.
Rook: That one time, I was *really* cross with a guy and he felt really bad. Dark Urge: Cool. I killed a kid and then I straight-up ate a guy. Rook: o.o
@@LobsterwithinternetRook: “What happened Wednesday?” Dark urge: “I used the magic of the god of murder himself to slaughter an entire town of innocent people.” Rook: 😧
@ZonaiHero-ul5nm Rook: A-And... And Thursday...? Dark Urge: I slaughtered the entire world with the help of mutant god-brain, so I could finally have some me-time.
@@Lobsterwithinternet Durge: As you wish! In Bhaal's name, the souls of you and your companions ALL BELONG TO ME! DRIFT SLOWLY INTO THE VOID FOREVER! Rook: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Seriously. If Bioware wanted to create a linear narrative with a fixed character with fixed disposition, that should have just made that with their full chest instead of something that pretends to be a complex rpg with depth and choice.
DA: Veilguard: evilest possible choice is to give comeuppance to someone who already deserved it Baldur's Gate 3: can sell out a grove full of 2 groups of innocent people to be genocided within 20 minutes, and even actively participate in said genocide which includes the slaughter of children. And that's just the start.
In the first 10 minutes you can literally kill your companions and a bunch of innocent people even before you kill the grove. You don't even need to wait 20 minutes I think you might be allowed to kill your companions in the first 5 minutes you meet each one to
And you have the excuse that you were doing it hoping to infiltrate the cult that seems to know more about the tadpole. Its sadly not doing much more than cut out a major amount of loot, quests and companions
An "RPG" Versus an RPG A game that likes to Roleplay as a game it isn't, Versus a game that truly lets you go about the story however the F*** you want.
I doubt even the actual people who developed failguard play the game. Some people has no choice to work on failguard just because they are not the one in charge.
I think it's an evil (or at least misguided) choice because he had no agency due to the demon corruption. Being impervious to corruption by a supernatural being isn't something that makes sense to expect everyone to do.
@@bluflare12345 In BG3 you could probably extort him for the said gold, or wait until he died and talk to his corpse to find out where he hid it, or just randomly find it, or read his thoughts to find out if he was sincere, or persuade him to give you the gold after saving him.
@@martinhornet1609 well, according to the cinematics, his gold is right next to where he is. but if the scene were in BG3, I'm pretty sure the gold god gave him were all mimics readied to swarm anyone greedy or foolish enough to get close.
@@anhtuanle8583 good catch! Didnt see it as there were no oversized puzzle marker and none of the companions were incessantly telling me it was there. Guess I was too distracted by the god tier lip sync animation that fit the spoken dialog perfectly, they should have given everyone a beard so they could have used that part of the budget elsewhere where it was more needed as its 11/10
Honestly all the chaos gods would love it. Khorne for the mass murder, Tzeentch for the tentacles, Slaanesh for the lovers betrayal, and Nurgle would revel in that end result.
Rook didn't even kill the mayor himself. Not even a little stab and twist. Meanwhile Durge committing war crimes every day, just to make his dad happy.
To be fair, I'd rather be psychically shoved off a floating brain ship to my death than be made to take part in ritualised humiliation for making an honest mistake.
The Writing and some of the voice acting just destroyed the entire immersion of Veiguard while Baldurs Gate 3 I get so immersive into the game that I don't notice that 5 hours have passed
@@AzureRoxe they do. it's that one pose where they put their hands on their hips and sort of puff their chest out. though it's worth mentioning that they don't do it all the time
Fun Fact: In the Veilguard, if you choose to kill the mayor, when you go to unpack your things and rest at the end of the chapter, the main character stands there and delivers a soliloquy about how he killed the mayor. BUT, if you choose to spare the mayor, the main character stands there and delivers a soliloquy about how he let the mayor live. It literally doesn't matter what choice you select because it doesn't impact the outcome of the game.
Have you played the game? You can, at dozens of different points in the game, change the lives and outcomes for dozens of different characters, including major characters. You can decide which of your party members lives or dies, how they view the world, and help or hinder them in their goals. You can be a classic hero, a deranged sociopath, have a redemption arc, play the straight man or be a sarcastic smart ass. There are multiple endings for each of the main party members, some ending being only slightly different while others totally change to course of that characters life.@@professorwright1428
@@professorwright1428that is different, yes the brain choice defines the end but all other stuff you do will define the end of those who help you that's why is even possible to reach the final part with only Withers and that guard that only appears at the end, while in Veilguard all choices end up with the same outcome.
@@professorwright1428No its not. You could reach that point in 300 different ways. To begin with every single character has different ones. And the dark urge have bad endings that dont include bhaal
@@professorwright1428bro the game has to end some time lol your logic here is questionable I don't know if you are coping or trolling we have so many different ways to go to the end and we also have many different main endings with so many different little variations possible Try again
WOW! I havent even played BG3 yet and you showed me THIS! THIS MAKES ME WANT TO BUY IT AND DO AN EVIL PLAYTHROUGH IN MY FIRST GAMEPLAY. Vid is abt Veilgarbage but man that BG3 ending overwhelmed it asf
Concord from Sony, Veilguard from Bioware, Shattered Space from Bethesda, and Ubisoft's recent drama... it's nice to see people are finally, _finally_ getting fed up with the bullshit from big game companies.
People say that eastern games are only winning because of fanservice, but I think the main selling point of them is just that writing is made by people that are ACTUALLY LITERATE. I'm recently shilling ProjectMoon games with my all heart as example.
DA: Veilguard: Shockingly bad animations. Why does she look like a bee stung Smeagol? Do people actually talk like this, like Shakespeare divorced from reality? Someone please just kill someone, end this torture. Baldur's Gate 3: Oh. The gore. The scale. The horror. I know these are just set pieces but Larian did well. God I fucking love the concept of the players being Baal reincarnate. Games are cool.
No creativity. BG3 writers would have let you steal his gold, set him on fire, throw things at him, convince survivors to join him, or save him THEN kill him. Veilguard put minimum effort into writing anything story-related. All the writing budget went to virtue signaling.
@@JohnJ-r6x Literally what? Act 2 is my favorite act. It's the act where the characters of the game start actually developing. Act 3 is admittedly choppier than the rest but even then it is incredible compared to other games on offer right now. Though the quality dips in the third act, all 3 are exceptional, just that the standards are so incredibly high from the first act that expectations just couldn't be met with limited time, resources and the incredible ambition of the final act.
@@JohnJ-r6x chapter 2 and 3 depend on what you've done in chapter 1, so if you think it's bad then it's your fault, lol? The only game I've been playing past 2 months is BG 3, and after spending around 200 hours on it I haven't even managed to complete it once, and yet every playthrough is different, fun and emotional. You probably watched someone's playthrough xdddddd And please, don't respond with "oh I don't have that much time to play videogames🤡🤓"
Veilguard: let the Mayor die for killing a whole village Baldur's Gate 3: Destroy the entire world and rule it with an iron fist to please your father.
In Origins you can pimp out your cousin and I think like five or six other women to a depraved noble for 40 gold. I don't think in terms of objective evil it really compares to what can be done later or in BG3, but its grounded enough in reality ("Take the money and walk away") that its really something else. Which was honestly the strength of Origins; no matter how big the threat the evil option always felt personal. Durge feels like a power fantasy; evil yeah, but like you're the bad guy in a story (which you are, and which is the point, and it does an excellent job at that). An evil Warden? At the lowest you're a thug hurting people for money, and at the highest you're a thug hurting people because no one can stop you partially because they're weaker and partially because they need you. Only a handful of options feel a bit out there, and they're usually at the end of major questlines. Most of the game you walk through and do things like abandoning a village to die because its easier or anulling the circle because its simpler, leaving someone to either starve to death or get eaten by darkspawn because you have no benefit to freeing them, putting down a dog because you don't want to spend time finding a flower, letting your friend from the very beginning of the game get either exiled or executed, and stuff like that. Its petty in comparison to what you can pull in BG3 but a lot of it is stuff that real people can end up doing which always feels more grounded to me.
Yup, o think i get your point, kinda like Mass Effect; you "cant be evil", its more like how Shepard approach of a "hero", either a knight in shinny armor or a war veteran Different approach of a moral compass to BG3, but both are good. Veilguard, well... It looks inconsequential (as far as i have seen, i havent played it, neither plan to)
@@omardiegorodriguezcastillo3132 its because braindead people like this dude is crying over a BG clone turned action RPG a decade ago. None of these speds mention dragon age 2 or DA I because most are kids just quoting grifters lmao
To brag: i went to jaheiras House in act 3 and ……..several acidents happened, then i broght corpses of jaheiras adopted kids to camp and choce to lie that someone brobably took vengence on her trough her family and was most likly after her still, she blamed herself for not protecting her family Well enogh. Than i went to temple of bhaal, the kid died but since her cat was my favorite npc i didnt care took vengence for cat and decidead to become murder incarnate to hounor scardy cat by murdering world, jaheira was outside, so i convinced minsc to backstabb her, i like to think she died believing her most loyal friend was behind calamity that happened to her family. Only thing that tugs at my cocinces is not being able to protect scardy cat, but as i said ending im going for will be my penence in his name that i dont remember!
The most evil action in Veilguard is something Durge did just because they were still reveling in a different killing and are avoiding overstimulation.
That tapsy movement of Rook lifting his arms into his sides while attempting to look menacing did it for me. I stopped taking this scene serious at that exact moment.
Tbh, in Inquisition, you could side with the Imperial usurper to acquire influence, kill the elf rebel leader and the Empress. I do agree that it was not straight up evil like DA:O or DAII options were, but to me it would have been a bit out of place anyway considering the amonth of attention the protagonist was getting in Inquisition. You could not go into a random cavern in the middle of the most shady mountain to sacrifice some puppies to acquire blood magic, you have both responsabilities and people actually paying attention to your actions. Idk, the "good stuff" only didn't feel forced in Inquisition. The graphisms were garbage tho.
To be fair that is a dark urge playthrough. If you don’t know the Forgotten Realms Bhaal god of murder and assassins had a bunch of mortal kids during the time of troubles. It was his play to avoid destruction. Thing is gods are very hard to actually destroy. So despite being stabbed with a sword that was a god trapped in sword form. Bhaal comes back. The “Dark Urge” is a Bhaal spawn over a hundred years after the “time of troubles”. It very much pays respect to old school 2nd Ed D&D lore along with BG1 and 2. Sorry, been with D&D since ‘89 had to nerd out.
Evil in DAV: refuse to give money to a beggar. Evil in BG3: gaslight everyone that you got rid of the god of murder's influence only to claim the Netherbrain's power for yourself.
Dragon Age: Origins let's you turn a blind eye to demons possessing children, encourage a dwarven ruler to transform his own people into mindless golems, help either werewolves or elves genocide eachother, exterminate an entire tower full of mostly innocent wizards, sell people into slavery, defile the remains of a saint, betray most of your companions, and the list goes on. The best part is that any evil actions made sense in the story because you were looking for every advantage or ally you could find to help stop the darkspawn. You were constantly being tempted to do evil things in return for the power you might need to save the world.
@@JohnJ-r6xI liked Inquisition more than 2 because i like open world games and it had some really cool quests (loved the Winter Palace section, In Hushed Whispers and What Pride Had Wrought). Haven't played DA2 in a few years, but it had its dark moments, like what happened to Hawke's mother was disturbing as hell.
@@JohnJ-r6x my point is that that the first Dragon Age gave you the freedom to be evil in almost every situation if you wanted to. It's downhill from there, each game in the series offers less freedom of choice than the last.
Too be fair if it gets serious enough for Exterminatus, then you can't evacuate anyone since that would defeat the purpose. Can't let genestealers or chaos worshipers escape.
Knowing what the Blight does and how it spreads, NOT chopping off his head and burning the entire village to the ground is probably the worst thing you could do.
Baldurs gate 3: Intimidate: Tell me where the money is or i will leave you here! Read thoughts: Find out if he is sincere. Dark Urge: Lets take his eyelids off with a knife and eat them. Leave him. Help him. Bonus: Kill him and talk to his corpse about the gold.
The fun in a roleplaying game is the freedom to create a character that can be good or evil and see how your companions or the world reacts. It adds to the replay-ability to a game.
We might mention that is completely optional even if you do hook up with Halsen. The “romance” threads are completely optional. Aside from the occasional snarky comment they don’t even affect your companion relations.
@JohnJ-r6x since beta, bg3 was and is fantsstic, and has more online play than dav year later If yoy enjot eating shit, that is your matter if taste, keep eating
Ahh no they did not. Black Isle studios did and they were a subsidiary of Interplay at the time. I don’t even know if BioWare existed yet. Beamdog made the “enhanced editions” and “Siege of Dragonspear”.
Veilguard: Leave a greedy scumbag to his fate.
Baldur's Gate 3: Omnicide.
lmao omnicide, i know its true but its so funny to win a comparison with one word
@@excalibur3245 veilguard also lost with one word, "misgendering"
Wow. Omnicide 😮
Well they weren't...
....invincible
Of course he is a white male lolz
Meanwhile in Origins, you can sacrifice a actual kid to a demon to unlock blood magic, exchange elves for favors from slavers, and side with the werewolves.
I love the mental gymnastics skipping dragon age 2 and 3 lmao
@@JohnJ-r6x What mental gymnastics? It only make sense to compare Veilguard with the best game in the series, does it not?
Sure though, after ME Bioware drastically cut down on roleplay in their games. But in DA 2 and Inquisition you can at least be rude, strongly disagree with your companions and in a couple of places even downright sabotage their personal quests.
It isn't much, but it's hell of a lot more than you can do in Veilguard.
@@JohnJ-r6x Inquisition was decent narrative-wise. It's just that the game was the worst-looking of the series for some reason and had useless side quests.
@@JohnJ-r6xDragon age 2:
You can still stuff from a poor kid, sell your friend back to his master, sell out another friend stole something from the bad guys, stop another friend from saving her people and killing them, having your friend kill her siblings, Hawke has to kill his own mother;
Also kill all the mages including your own sister.
You can even kill your own friends if they disagree with you; there is a system where you can challenge their beliefs.
No evil choices my ass.
Even the third game got some even.
Just because you hate the game doesn't mean they don't exist
To be fair, siding with the werewolves seemed like the right choice lol.
It’s like comparing Teletubbies to Game of Thrones.
True, one is a fantasy, the other is a psychological horror
I know right? Teletubbies is way more metal.
Teletubbies is sooo much better written too
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You nailed it with the comparison!
DA: Veilguard evil: leave a greedy man to his fate
Baldur's Gate III evil: kill absolutely everything and everyone
You can only do this because he's a white male.
Save your companion and than betray rhem. Erase memory of Shadow heart. Let child be killed, than killer be poisoned by parents of that child. Broke legs of paralasied women. Force Minsk to kill Jaheira. You can do so much more evil stuff than just killing everyone.
veilguard doesnt even let you make sure that said greedy man actually dies.
@@irlinaka2754 hell, you can kill a squirrel for literally no reason, and that's not even the meanest thing you can do but it's harsher than this
@@irlinaka2754 On top of that, just be a dick and betray the dark god that gave you the power to kill by claiming the elderbrain for yourself
Mayor Julius doesn't even seem that bothered that he's stuck considering his facial animation.
His face is tired
His face is straight out of Star Wars Outlaws
Probably waiting for his step brother
he seems comfy
He's clearly into v0re
having the choice to be an asshole, is what makes choosing to do good meaningful. without the free will for the player to make the character choice then you cant truly play a character.
this is best comment I have ever seen
After all, peace is meaningless without the capability of great violence
In otherwords, if your gonna be playing a god damn RPG with a emphasis on player customization & choices, said game, better have more plot progression pathings then the number of endings in Shadow the Hedgehog (the video game).
Aka literally Baldur`s Gate 3 where its not simply about being a Dik sometimes cause you feel like it and your rail roaded to be a good boi. Its instead where you can actually have real effects on the story with who lives, dies, ends up in a entirely different state of being and actually affects thar epilogue in real ways.
AKA the best fun is where even if you still at the end of the game, defeat the `beeg bad antagonist` of the story, how you approach it can be so flexible that you can either rush them and huck them into space, deploy a tactical chain reaction of splosions, end up causing them to contract some kind of dangerous disease that actually makes them die by the end of the game or just be so fragile you can blow them over with a gust of wind.
Hence why some games become not only fantastic to play multiple times over but also to even watch to see how some people manage to pull off things you never thought could be possible due to some particular things needing to be done to find out about it.
Choosing *why* youre an arsehole is just as important. A murderhobo shouldnt be the same as a machiavellian evil character
Whats sad, is this is exactly what BioWare said years ago about having the good and 'evil' path in their games. Only 5% of players ever really saw the bad path, but it existing is what made the good path meaningful. And yet, here we are. Playing Warriors who's entire skill tree is mage spells and being the super nice all the time.
Minthara : approves of mass death and destruction
Also Minthara : sirprised Pikachu face when it happens to her too
Karma's like her, a bitch :D
Communism in a nutshell.
The irony of a _Drow_ being surprised from being backstabbed
Lae'zel had a much better line, I just finished my first durge run a few days ago with her and this ending lol
I had my party members run from me, so I can have the thrill of the hunt 😂.
Rook: That one time, I was *really* cross with a guy and he felt really bad.
Dark Urge: Cool. I killed a kid and then I straight-up ate a guy.
Rook: o.o
Dark Urge: And that was just Tuesday.
@@LobsterwithinternetRook: “What happened Wednesday?”
Dark urge: “I used the magic of the god of murder himself to slaughter an entire town of innocent people.”
Rook: 😧
@ZonaiHero-ul5nm Rook: A-And... And Thursday...?
Dark Urge: I slaughtered the entire world with the help of mutant god-brain, so I could finally have some me-time.
@@necasperaterent29386 Rook:😱 GETME OUT OF HERE!
@@Lobsterwithinternet
Durge: As you wish! In Bhaal's name, the souls of you and your companions ALL BELONG TO ME! DRIFT SLOWLY INTO THE VOID FOREVER!
Rook: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
That first guy seems oddly calm for someone engulfed in tentacles.
Hes into that
@@bloodred255 🎶🎵 Waaahhhhoooohhhhh waahhhhoooohhhh wahhhooohhhh🎵🎶
@@TheLordmep he watches too much "anime"
Also got those vibes from that scene. There is no talent left at Bioware.
Everyone loves some hentai tentacles
God forbid I roleplay in a role-playing game.
Most evil thing in Veilguard:
Meanwhile in Baldur's Gate: *Beat a Goblin Child to death with another Goblin Child*
In a Non-Durge playthrough XD
As a paladin.
@@5gvaccinator343Without breaking oath xd
The only good goblin is one that doesn’t breathe.
It is not a war crime if you are doing it to goblin
Veilguard was made for people who want to change the world but can't handle the reality that life doesn't go the way you want.
it's called emo phase 10/20 years back then lol
They would use the will of the absolute for their purposes if they could
So trans basically
@@twiggledy5547yup
With Donald Trump projected to win, that makes it even more applicable in terms of not getting what they want.
Seriously. If Bioware wanted to create a linear narrative with a fixed character with fixed disposition, that should have just made that with their full chest instead of something that pretends to be a complex rpg with depth and choice.
Just call it EA. Bioware is dead. DA:O was a spiritual successor to their BG games, so naturally BG3 is the spiritual successor to DA:O.
Basically it's Fallout 4 of dialogue tree. But you can't be mean even if it would not make plot difference.
Bethesda needs to hear this more than anyone.
They didn't full chest anything in this game. Heck, they put top surgery scars in.
@@Rob-lv3rj Funnily enough the devs of BG3 said they took a lot of inspiration from DA:O
DA: Veilguard: evilest possible choice is to give comeuppance to someone who already deserved it
Baldur's Gate 3: can sell out a grove full of 2 groups of innocent people to be genocided within 20 minutes, and even actively participate in said genocide which includes the slaughter of children. And that's just the start.
In the first 10 minutes you can literally kill your companions and a bunch of innocent people even before you kill the grove. You don't even need to wait 20 minutes I think you might be allowed to kill your companions in the first 5 minutes you meet each one to
And you have the excuse that you were doing it hoping to infiltrate the cult that seems to know more about the tadpole. Its sadly not doing much more than cut out a major amount of loot, quests and companions
Minthara 😈
@@elseggs6504 😮💨 You did it for a reason? 🤨
Minthara tho..
An "RPG" Versus an RPG
A game that likes to Roleplay as a game it isn't, Versus a game that truly lets you go about the story however the F*** you want.
DAV only identifies as an rpg.
Dragns On Rage: The Failguard is a shitty action game that IDENITFY as an RPG.
It's funny how Bg3 concurrent players were more than veilguard's peak. They made a game for their employees
I doubt even the actual people who developed failguard play the game.
Some people has no choice to work on failguard just because they are not the one in charge.
So this mayor sold out his village for gold and you have the option to leave him to his fate and this is considered an evil choice somehow
I think it's an evil (or at least misguided) choice because he had no agency due to the demon corruption. Being impervious to corruption by a supernatural being isn't something that makes sense to expect everyone to do.
@@bluflare12345 In BG3 you could probably extort him for the said gold, or wait until he died and talk to his corpse to find out where he hid it, or just randomly find it, or read his thoughts to find out if he was sincere, or persuade him to give you the gold after saving him.
@@martinhornet1609 well, according to the cinematics, his gold is right next to where he is. but if the scene were in BG3, I'm pretty sure the gold god gave him were all mimics readied to swarm anyone greedy or foolish enough to get close.
@@anhtuanle8583 good catch! Didnt see it as there were no oversized puzzle marker and none of the companions were incessantly telling me it was there. Guess I was too distracted by the god tier lip sync animation that fit the spoken dialog perfectly, they should have given everyone a beard so they could have used that part of the budget elsewhere where it was more needed as its 11/10
@@bluflare12345no, based on dialogue its because you are taking the law into your own hands.
BG3- Oh, you're a villain alright, just not a super one.
DAV- Yeah? What's the difference?
BG3- Presentation!
Prestidigitation!
*Guns and Roses intensifies*
Punishing (lightly) someone that deserves it vs would make khorne blush
But you can't have no skulls for the skull throne if they're all full of tadpoles.
@@jogzyg2036 pretty sure Khorne wouldn't be even happy with the total genocide, because there will be no more blood to spill
Honestly all the chaos gods would love it. Khorne for the mass murder, Tzeentch for the tentacles, Slaanesh for the lovers betrayal, and Nurgle would revel in that end result.
@@TheAttendeeand then the Chaos gods would die out because there are no more souls or minds left to generate the Warp.
@@DJSpike-ft9yw worth
Rook didn't even kill the mayor himself. Not even a little stab and twist. Meanwhile Durge committing war crimes every day, just to make his dad happy.
Fun fact you don't have to be the dark urge to do some fucked up shit in bg3
@-o-dq7nd Yep * flashbacks to Barcus flying across the Sword Coast, launched by a windmill, because I missclicked *
thank god we got baldurs gate 3 when we did
And with mod support too for console players
The cardinal sin in Veilguard is to misgender someone.
Pull a barve right now!!!
Came here to say this. ❤
Wow, so that’s so much worse than mass murder!
To be fair, I'd rather be psychically shoved off a floating brain ship to my death than be made to take part in ritualised humiliation for making an honest mistake.
@@noctoi Not even a mistake, you're just calling them what they truly are.
The Writing and some of the voice acting just destroyed the entire immersion of Veiguard while Baldurs Gate 3 I get so immersive into the game that I don't notice that 5 hours have passed
Judging by what I saw in Veilguard, even cats in Baldur's Gate 3 made like on 10 levels better
@@evil_cupcake2386 Cat calls me it's Mother. 10/10 game.
Why the heck does Rook keep putting his hands on his hips like an angry karen?
Also a suspicious lack of blood.......in this Dragon damn Age game.
tbf tav/durge/any origin character that you play as will also do that, and it always looks funny 😂
@@MARUSHI-YT ? No they don't.
@@AzureRoxe they do. it's that one pose where they put their hands on their hips and sort of puff their chest out. though it's worth mentioning that they don't do it all the time
I remember how DA:O had a "blood and gore" trailer that would make 80s actions movies be like: "that's too much."
The dark urge gave a beggar a coin, nearly made me gasp.
Fun Fact: In the Veilguard, if you choose to kill the mayor, when you go to unpack your things and rest at the end of the chapter, the main character stands there and delivers a soliloquy about how he killed the mayor. BUT, if you choose to spare the mayor, the main character stands there and delivers a soliloquy about how he let the mayor live. It literally doesn't matter what choice you select because it doesn't impact the outcome of the game.
What and Baldur's Gate is better? You get one choice that matters and it's at the very end.
Have you played the game? You can, at dozens of different points in the game, change the lives and outcomes for dozens of different characters, including major characters. You can decide which of your party members lives or dies, how they view the world, and help or hinder them in their goals. You can be a classic hero, a deranged sociopath, have a redemption arc, play the straight man or be a sarcastic smart ass. There are multiple endings for each of the main party members, some ending being only slightly different while others totally change to course of that characters life.@@professorwright1428
@@professorwright1428that is different, yes the brain choice defines the end but all other stuff you do will define the end of those who help you that's why is even possible to reach the final part with only Withers and that guard that only appears at the end, while in Veilguard all choices end up with the same outcome.
@@professorwright1428No its not. You could reach that point in 300 different ways. To begin with every single character has different ones. And the dark urge have bad endings that dont include bhaal
@@professorwright1428bro the game has to end some time lol your logic here is questionable I don't know if you are coping or trolling
we have so many different ways to go to the end and we also have many different main endings with so many different little variations possible
Try again
Veilguard: Dora The Explorer conclusion
BG3: Literally Berserk's eclipse moments
The most evil choice had already been made:
They sacrificed what Dreadwolf may have been for *this.* After that, there was no evil left in the budget.
I feel so heavy with such choice in BG 3. I can't even reach this far of evilness in my Dark Urge playthrough.
I know you said you can't but you should really try it is an awesome experience
I know right. I am never much for evil playtroughs. But being evil in BG3 really is ....evil.
@@joshdangit1612 after I killed Gale at the beginning, I gave up. I don't think it's for everyone, I suppose x)
I feel like Laezel's evil ending is the most badass. "All hail Queen Vlakith!! The last of her name" while she rides a dragon into her throne room.
That dude is just chilling there wtf, woukdnt even know he's in distress until he asked for help
Veilguard ; Mild annoyance.
BG3 ; Genuine malice.
that eclipse scene in bg3, damn really good portrayal of berserk eclipse
Thanks for PTSD reminder
On the other hand Skull Knight was badass so...
@@Keram-io8hv haha no prob
"GRIFFIIIIIITTTTHHHHH!!!!!!"
"Guts, don't look."
IS THAT A MOTHERFUCKING BERSERK REFERENCE
This is really disappointing!!!! This series was dark fantasy but now this game is something for the Disney channel WTF!!! BioWare.
Remember how many knife animations origins had? Brother Genitivi still has that piercing headache back at Haven.
I can do much evil choice in Frostpunk than the Veilguard.
Or Civilization (i'm sorry for your people Montezuma, but you should have think twice before trying to attack the one with the powder)
I'm pretty sure you can do more evil stuff in fkin Candy Crush
Weird comparison, seeing as you can do plenty of evil shit in Frostpunk.
WOW! I havent even played BG3 yet and you showed me THIS! THIS MAKES ME WANT TO BUY IT AND DO AN EVIL PLAYTHROUGH IN MY FIRST GAMEPLAY. Vid is abt Veilgarbage but man that BG3 ending overwhelmed it asf
Concord from Sony, Veilguard from Bioware, Shattered Space from Bethesda, and Ubisoft's recent drama... it's nice to see people are finally, _finally_ getting fed up with the bullshit from big game companies.
People say that eastern games are only winning because of fanservice, but I think the main selling point of them is just that writing is made by people that are ACTUALLY LITERATE.
I'm recently shilling ProjectMoon games with my all heart as example.
@@JannetFenix Not just Literate, written by people who actually give a damn about what they write.
In this video:
One game is truly a Role Playing Game, and one game identifies as RPG.
Just shows that identifying as something you're not just doesn't work ;)
DA: Veilguard: Shockingly bad animations. Why does she look like a bee stung Smeagol? Do people actually talk like this, like Shakespeare divorced from reality? Someone please just kill someone, end this torture.
Baldur's Gate 3: Oh. The gore. The scale. The horror. I know these are just set pieces but Larian did well. God I fucking love the concept of the players being Baal reincarnate. Games are cool.
Seeing a sentence say 'look like a bee stung Smeagol' is something I never thought I needed gosh 😂 thanks for the laugh I needed it today 😁
and it isn't even truly evil, there is still justification for it
No creativity. BG3 writers would have let you steal his gold, set him on fire, throw things at him, convince survivors to join him, or save him THEN kill him. Veilguard put minimum effort into writing anything story-related. All the writing budget went to virtue signaling.
No creativity. BG3 devs spent their entire budget and time trynna get one act right they fucked up the last two
@@JohnJ-r6x Literally what? Act 2 is my favorite act. It's the act where the characters of the game start actually developing. Act 3 is admittedly choppier than the rest but even then it is incredible compared to other games on offer right now. Though the quality dips in the third act, all 3 are exceptional, just that the standards are so incredibly high from the first act that expectations just couldn't be met with limited time, resources and the incredible ambition of the final act.
@@JohnJ-r6x chapter 2 and 3 depend on what you've done in chapter 1, so if you think it's bad then it's your fault, lol? The only game I've been playing past 2 months is BG 3, and after spending around 200 hours on it I haven't even managed to complete it once, and yet every playthrough is different, fun and emotional.
You probably watched someone's playthrough xdddddd
And please, don't respond with "oh I don't have that much time to play videogames🤡🤓"
0:19 this is AAA quality in 2024, this looks atrocious
Veilguard: let the Mayor die for killing a whole village
Baldur's Gate 3: Destroy the entire world and rule it with an iron fist to please your father.
Not to rule the urge goes to kill all life, only then will father be satisfied
Rule? No. We’re killing everyone.
There's nothing left to rule as a Bhaalspawn. End all life in the world and then snuff out the last candle in shrouding darkness - _yourself_ .
@@ВладиславБулаев-л3э literal Omnicide vs whatever the fuck Veilguard is.
Gortash's left toe will conquer this place in a snap 🤣 and Durge will turn the protagonist group into a red mist in an accident 🤣🤣🤣
Red mist will always make me laugh
Ironic considering in a Dark Urge play through you don’t get a choice, and innocent bard is gonna die by your hand like it or not.
In Origins you can pimp out your cousin and I think like five or six other women to a depraved noble for 40 gold. I don't think in terms of objective evil it really compares to what can be done later or in BG3, but its grounded enough in reality ("Take the money and walk away") that its really something else. Which was honestly the strength of Origins; no matter how big the threat the evil option always felt personal. Durge feels like a power fantasy; evil yeah, but like you're the bad guy in a story (which you are, and which is the point, and it does an excellent job at that). An evil Warden? At the lowest you're a thug hurting people for money, and at the highest you're a thug hurting people because no one can stop you partially because they're weaker and partially because they need you.
Only a handful of options feel a bit out there, and they're usually at the end of major questlines. Most of the game you walk through and do things like abandoning a village to die because its easier or anulling the circle because its simpler, leaving someone to either starve to death or get eaten by darkspawn because you have no benefit to freeing them, putting down a dog because you don't want to spend time finding a flower, letting your friend from the very beginning of the game get either exiled or executed, and stuff like that. Its petty in comparison to what you can pull in BG3 but a lot of it is stuff that real people can end up doing which always feels more grounded to me.
Yup, o think i get your point, kinda like Mass Effect; you "cant be evil", its more like how Shepard approach of a "hero", either a knight in shinny armor or a war veteran
Different approach of a moral compass to BG3, but both are good. Veilguard, well... It looks inconsequential (as far as i have seen, i havent played it, neither plan to)
@@omardiegorodriguezcastillo3132 its because braindead people like this dude is crying over a BG clone turned action RPG a decade ago. None of these speds mention dragon age 2 or DA I because most are kids just quoting grifters lmao
Pimp out your cousin? Which origin was that?
DAV Evil: "Justice must be served"
BG Evil: "IN BAALS NAME."
Nope sorry, totally wrong. Not even remotely close to correct.
The most evil decision in the game is giving Scratch back to the Sword Coast Couriers.
That or killing the good boi
@@thorleif8872 it is a sin to even speak those words
@@thorleif8872I’d never do that not even on an urge playthrough
You do realize that in this ending Durge killed Scratch. And all puppies and kittens in the world?
@@Kalenz1234*correction* dude, he is literally the last living thing left in creation.
To brag: i went to jaheiras House in act 3 and ……..several acidents happened, then i broght corpses of jaheiras adopted kids to camp and choce to lie that someone brobably took vengence on her trough her family and was most likly after her still, she blamed herself for not protecting her family Well enogh. Than i went to temple of bhaal, the kid died but since her cat was my favorite npc i didnt care took vengence for cat and decidead to become murder incarnate to hounor scardy cat by murdering world, jaheira was outside, so i convinced minsc to backstabb her, i like to think she died believing her most loyal friend was behind calamity that happened to her family.
Only thing that tugs at my cocinces is not being able to protect scardy cat, but as i said ending im going for will be my penence in his name that i dont remember!
The most evil thing you can do????? Give it a 10/10 as a reviewer.
The most evil action you can do in veilguard is just a normal tuesday for Durge 😂
More like a Monday. As it has to be a bad day for Durge to not want do it themselves. Or a Lazy Friday.
The most evil action in Veilguard is something Durge did just because they were still reveling in a different killing and are avoiding overstimulation.
That tapsy movement of Rook lifting his arms into his sides while attempting to look menacing did it for me.
I stopped taking this scene serious at that exact moment.
Veilguard is a mockery of what it once was.
It doesn’t hold a candle to BG3
To what origins? These kids are retardedholymoly
Last dragon age game we were actually able to evil in was DAO, 2 had some elements of being evil but it was more political sides with grey lines.
wow someone actually who played the franchise and not parroting creators shocking
Tbh, in Inquisition, you could side with the Imperial usurper to acquire influence, kill the elf rebel leader and the Empress. I do agree that it was not straight up evil like DA:O or DAII options were, but to me it would have been a bit out of place anyway considering the amonth of attention the protagonist was getting in Inquisition. You could not go into a random cavern in the middle of the most shady mountain to sacrifice some puppies to acquire blood magic, you have both responsabilities and people actually paying attention to your actions. Idk, the "good stuff" only didn't feel forced in Inquisition. The graphisms were garbage tho.
a Dragon face from BG3 show more emotional range that a literal Human face in Veilguard, lol
I just can't with those uncanny too big head all the characters look like they escaped from some kind of circus
Veilguard: disagreeing with people
Baldurs gate: murder, cannibalism, probable necrophilia, incest, killing the universe.
There's no nuance... no chance to doubt, to question.... no anything... it's just.... exposition... There's nothing to it.
Can't be evil, fine? I don't feel good about being good, either, because everyone sounds like they'd just had a stroke..
It's a shame that Dark urge isn't present in the veilguard.
DA: Leave a man face his own consequences
Baldur's gate 3: Basically became the fusion between Satan and the demon who just wants Armageddon to happen
most evil thing u can do bg3 = kill scratch
In this ending Durge kills everything. Including Scratch. As well as all other puppies and kittens.
Baldur's Gate was dark. I haven't played the game yet but this convinced me!
To be fair that is a dark urge playthrough. If you don’t know the Forgotten Realms Bhaal god of murder and assassins had a bunch of mortal kids during the time of troubles. It was his play to avoid destruction. Thing is gods are very hard to actually destroy. So despite being stabbed with a sword that was a god trapped in sword form. Bhaal comes back. The “Dark Urge” is a Bhaal spawn over a hundred years after the “time of troubles”. It very much pays respect to old school 2nd Ed D&D lore along with BG1 and 2. Sorry, been with D&D since ‘89 had to nerd out.
bg3: the worst thing you can do is offer every single soul that exists to the murder god
vielguard: the worst thing you can do is misgender someone
In Baldur's gate 3, I was able to punt Peanut the squirrel into a tree and kill him.
Do with that what you will.
I love how the only animation they have for your character is hands on hips lol
Being evil is just one exmaple. It's much more Terrible Writing vs Good Writing.
That Mayor looks genuinely unbothered.
He kinda looked nice and snug.
Evil in DAV: refuse to give money to a beggar.
Evil in BG3: gaslight everyone that you got rid of the god of murder's influence only to claim the Netherbrain's power for yourself.
Dragon Age: Origins let's you turn a blind eye to demons possessing children, encourage a dwarven ruler to transform his own people into mindless golems, help either werewolves or elves genocide eachother, exterminate an entire tower full of mostly innocent wizards, sell people into slavery, defile the remains of a saint, betray most of your companions, and the list goes on. The best part is that any evil actions made sense in the story because you were looking for every advantage or ally you could find to help stop the darkspawn. You were constantly being tempted to do evil things in return for the power you might need to save the world.
now remember and type out how dragon age 2 and inqustion went rettaarrrddd
Meanwhile the durge is doing all those things but 10x worse just for shit and giggles.
@@JohnJ-r6xI liked Inquisition more than 2 because i like open world games and it had some really cool quests (loved the Winter Palace section, In Hushed Whispers and What Pride Had Wrought). Haven't played DA2 in a few years, but it had its dark moments, like what happened to Hawke's mother was disturbing as hell.
@@JohnJ-r6x my point is that that the first Dragon Age gave you the freedom to be evil in almost every situation if you wanted to. It's downhill from there, each game in the series offers less freedom of choice than the last.
Eh, to be fair, she's the saint of a false God. So she deserved it.
*Taash existing* me "I hope I can push them off a cliff and never deal with them"
DAV: Nops main character forced into party, lul
meanwhile me when i play Rogue trader: Exterminatus - Dont evacuate anyone off the planet.
and thats just the first act.
Too be fair if it gets serious enough for Exterminatus, then you can't evacuate anyone since that would defeat the purpose. Can't let genestealers or chaos worshipers escape.
@@Kalenz1234not really, i think It depends on Who and how diré the situation IS, but yea shits fucked Up already when It IS called upon a world
@@Kalenz1234 thats also why the decicion to not save anyone is considered "dogmatic" and not "heretical".
How fortuitous that as I am watching this, BG3 goes on sale on steam!
Dude get it you won’t regret it for a second
I mean in Bg3 you can literally kick a squirrel so hard that it practically explodes. Can’t do that in veilguard.
*So I'm 17 hours into Veilguard*
Stop it, get some help!
HR is truly in the room.
Knowing what the Blight does and how it spreads, NOT chopping off his head and burning the entire village to the ground is probably the worst thing you could do.
Baldurs gate 3:
Intimidate: Tell me where the money is or i will leave you here!
Read thoughts: Find out if he is sincere.
Dark Urge: Lets take his eyelids off with a knife and eat them.
Leave him.
Help him.
Bonus:
Kill him and talk to his corpse about the gold.
The fun in a roleplaying game is the freedom to create a character that can be good or evil and see how your companions or the world reacts. It adds to the replay-ability to a game.
You can't be evil nor can you be mean to your companion yet you are a complete criminal if you misgender someone.
DAV: Super Weenie Hut Jr.
BG3: The Salty Spitoon
This animation of people putting their hands on their waist breaks ALL imersion. It's just too bad
Durge literally can end Gale and keep his hand as a souvenir. Rook will just not save a person in a bad situation. They are not the same.
Despite the infamous bear scene, BG3 has so many possibilities that makes Veilguard paler than an albino.
We might mention that is completely optional even if you do hook up with Halsen. The “romance” threads are completely optional. Aside from the occasional snarky comment they don’t even affect your companion relations.
Now do this with cyberpunk
The conversations are so lifeless even when the VA is doing their job. The characters might as well be T posing because they barely emote
What's the most evil thing in Veilguard having a kid?
2:59 Welcome to Shank-City, squid face
Damn, watching BG3 broke my heart lol
Maybe for my 5th BG3 replay i will be able to go full evil...
It's like Veilguard wanted to copy the cartoonishly diverse cities of BG3 but none of the roleplaying
6:10 damn I didn't know there was a Berserk ending
"they identify as choices" vs CHOICES
Bg3 gives chills up your spine, dga just makes we want to skip it as fast as possible witg its boredome
BG3 was a half delivered product tf did you play?
@JohnJ-r6x since beta, bg3 was and is fantsstic, and has more online play than dav year later
If yoy enjot eating shit, that is your matter if taste, keep eating
@@JohnJ-r6xlow quality rage bait
"The wolves will get him..." He's in the tight grip on writhing, monstrous tentacles, but it's wolves he's got to watch out for.
Bg3 was both the main inspiration and reason this game sucks so much ass. It tries to be something it just not is
Veilguard: Even in that small decision, they disckmeasure their morals
I know right? It’s like the virtue signal Olympics.
The most evil thing you can do in Cringeguard is misgendering someone
Does the game even let you do that?
@Dragon_Lair Somehow, I get the feeling it doesn't. Watch, there are no options to refer to the token NB character as "she".
@@Dragon_Lair Idk if its real but theres a dialogue compilation where the whole gender argument starts before the actual misgendering is even thrown
@@Dragon_Lair spoiler
No.
that last scene makes you look like griffith during the eclipse in berserk.
The irony is Bioware made Baldur's Gate 1 AND 2, where you can do all sorts of horribly evil things, and now look at it...
None of the people who made the good bioware games have been at the company for a long time now.
@@spademagna2672 Clearly.
Ahh no they did not. Black Isle studios did and they were a subsidiary of Interplay at the time. I don’t even know if BioWare existed yet. Beamdog made the “enhanced editions” and “Siege of Dragonspear”.
I have to buy BG3 now and make Griffith ending