HOW TO: 1000-HP JUNKYARD SBF- (& 4 OTHERS)
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- WE GOT BOOST! 1K-HP SBF COMBOS. ALL TURBO- 331-434 INCHES. CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO ON HOW TO MAKE 1,000 HP FROM A SMALL-BLOCK FORD COMBO, INCLUDING MY VERY FIRST 1,000-HP SMALL BLOCK. CHECK OUT THESE BUILDS, INCLUDING A JUNKYARD 351W, A DART SHP 363, 351W-BASED 427 AND 434 STROKERS AND A 331 (MY FIRST 1,000-HP COMBO). EVERY TURBO COMBO (SINGLE AND TWIN) REACHED OR EXCEEDED 1,000 HP!
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Great work Richard. The amount of information you have made available to us all is staggering. We owe ya one!
What a time to be alive! Had a neighbor with a 363 and a turbo. Making over 1000whp on high boost in a docile engine in a fox chassis. Mild hydraulic cam. Hard to bear forced induction.
I'd like to see a blow through twin turbo setup on a tunnel ram with dual carbs
On a Big Block...LOL
With cleetus style high mounted twins.
That would double the tuning headaches but it would be cool
Ric your awesome love the sbf
You make it look so easy. Keep 'em coming.
its never easy
Thanks Richard
Holy crap! That is a ton of HP! I just got my lil 36lb injectors for my build lol 500ish HP NA. Man, I hope that someday I can run 1000hp :D I'm sure it's just going to get easier and easier as time goes on... Thanks for the videos! Awesome work my dude!
Richard, do this combo 4.125" bore and 3.875" stroke. If you can find a block to go 4.155" safely but remain 3.875" stroke with Either AFR 225 Or TFS 225 head's with that cam research 0.700+ lift cam on twins. Go to 23.5 bar on it. 😉😉😉😉
This is insanity
Super Duty 455 : The best kind SD...
Rigrht at the end you drop a rather huge nugget of info for us. The 427 was 10.2 -1 cr. And t answer your question absolutely no. At 10psi with full boost cr is about 18-1 when starting at 10.2. especially with a carb. You couldn't do it with fi and 16 degrees. At 7.8 or 8.0 maybe.
My question is, was the 434 and 363 over 10-1 cr to?
Was the challenge to do the 1000hp for street use and pump gas or did it matter. I was always of the thought that you will make more power with less compression and more boosting with timing rather than more compression less boost/timing. Assuming you have a fixed octane of 93
we did not run 91
Really impressed by those windsor numbers to be honest, even those you made on the stock block. Great videos by the way!
There's alot of parts there that aren't junkyard budget friendly. What happened to blowthru 351w roller with a old s475 off a Detroit. Or two john deere s464s
So what you're saying,is , a engine is a air pump? And and anything that puts more air through it ? Makes more power? Plus " fuel, of course. So why can't "people" on UA-cam grasp this concept? With try this or that? Very entertaining content! Keep up the good work. You are changing all the "BS" that's been handed down all these years! Thanks!😁😁😁
Great series of videos.
Great series!... more 3v 5.4 tests!
Richard, I hope you’re hungry because here’s some food for thought. I previously mentioned NATURALLY ASPIRATED SBF combinations that were capable of reaching the 1000 horsepower mark. They actually fell a little short of the magic number but I think you might agree that with a little tweaking, the potential is certainly there.
This one can be viewed right here on UA-cam and posted by FULLBOOST from Australia. It’s a 461 cu/in Clevor with an aftermarket block and canted valve (Cleveland) HIGGINS Race Heads and built by DANDY Engines, Inc. It uses a single 4-V carb on a Higgins intake, has 13:1 CR and was run on 98 (RON) Aussie pump fuel.
The dyno results were 934 hp/ 669 tq. Subsequent test results on race fuel were 979 hp/ 700 tq. Did I mention naturally aspirated without power adders ?
Next up is from my neighbor here in Georgia. It’s another naturally aspirated SB Ford from Greg Brown at Hammerhead Performance Engines and features Greg’s own unique Ford HEMI Head design. The Hammerhead is a direct bolt-on for any Windsor block and Cleveland blocks with minor modifications. These heads in an as-cast configuration with stock sized stainless 2.200” intake and 1.650” exhaust valves flowed 382 cfm intake and 260 exhaust. Porting increased flow to 435 and 290 cfm.
In June of 2017 on Charlie Peppers dyno, Mr. Brown tested a 427 featuring a World Products “Man ‘O War” Ford Windsor block topped with his Ford Hemi heads and single 1250 cfm Dominator Carb.
The results were 928 HP @ 7700 RPM and 674 lb/ft of torque @ 6000.
Also done naturally aspirated with NO power adders ! Of course race fuel was required for the 14.8:1 compression. Cam duration 281* /297* @ .050” lift. After analyzing the data they determined that the 1250 Dominator and intake used on the dyno was way too restrictive and a 1450 on a CHI intake manifold along with additional tuning should eclipse the 1000 horsepower mark.
So Mr. Holdener, big power numbers without forced induction are quite possible. For the full story go to;
hammerheadperformanceengines.com
Those are impressive. I think I mentioned in the video that those power numbers were possible (NASCAR, Sprint Car and Drag Race)-but so is a trip to the moon-I can afford none of them-and neither can most of the viewers, which is why I chose to include more realistic and affordable combos.
@@richardholdener1727, I most definitely see your point about the cost for the SBF Hemi heads being an issue with some people. But several of your test mules included an aftermarket block, twin turbos, an intercooler, fuel and spark management units, forged internals, a high dollar blow through carb and more. By the time you add it all up, there’s a sizable investment that’s just out of reach for many.
Hammerhead sells their Hemi heads as a package deal. Included with the heads are the required valve covers, stainless steel valves, premium springs, Jesel shaft rockers and more.
One thing that stays constant in the automotive universe is the high cost of building powerful and reliable engines.
And the beat goes on....
Thank you Richard!!!
My pleasure!
I can imagine what that Twin Turbo 427 could’ve made with a Proper EFI setup! Talk about turning my little 2005 F150 into a Super Sleeper!😮
10 pounds of boost with a 10 to 1 compression on 93 octane????
I'm a nervous Nelly when it comes to detonation the timing would get pulled back or maybe some water/meth injection.
It's possible. We do it in the LS world all the time.
I’ve done it, made 630rwhp on a cam only L99 w/20 degrees of timing.
@@rocksgsxr750 what kind o boost was you on? cuz no way you were na making 730+ crank in that engine with a cam swap only
@@bigsean2473 10 lbs 10:1 CR and 93 octane
@Brandon Carpenter ive seen guys run 800+ on scat9000 cranks. those are the budget cranks none forged stuff. ive done only 600 in my lil combos but never heard anything bad about scat
Do a 7.3 Godzilla
@Richard Holdener Id like to see what the stock long block would make with boost.
351👍's up Richard thanks again for taking the time for us all to be with you at work
You wouldn't want to provide a 700-750 build sheet for a 351w would you? Thinking turbo with mild boost 16-18 lbs
315w with mild cam (xe274hr), decent heads (afr or tfs) and intake with boost will easily make 750 hp
Holdener: sleep this week? Nah!
So why didn’t it make any power NA
Right on
Old video, I know. Curious what size turbo was on the 363 SHP? Made great power at reasonable boost.
WE RAN A PTE 7675 AND A COMP 80MM
@@richardholdener1727 thank you Sir! I've currently got a gen 1 cast VS 7875. Lights off quick but might want to upgrade to one of the S480 styles they offer.
Wow! I was never a Ford guy but that 351 block is impressive with those AFR heads. I've been told by quite a few guys (Ranchers) that a factory 5.8L powered F250 or F350 with that ugly factory long tube intake can out pull the 7.5L version over the Altamont Pass and one of your other video shows why. I'm not saying the 5.8L Ford is the better choice for power. That 460 with some good parts is a feakin monster motor. But this combination is really and nice setup, even NA.
Also I wanted to tell you there was no advertisements when I watched this video except two, 15 second adds, right on launch. Just saying. You need to make money somewhere here and I know I mentioned to you before they were putting 50 minute adds in a while back. I didn't mean to have them stop the adds. I would think anything under 3 minutes is okay, without it getting skipped. I try to watch all the adds and some I click on just to see what they got.
Thanks again for the great data. really amazing you do this.
Ed D
LOVE THE TALL DECK WINDSOR BUILDS ES THE 434 AND 427
427 is a magic number!
Man i love you videos...
I deal with a lot of pump gas and boost combos at my place of business in the powersports industry so I've got a bit of experience there. The boost would not be a problem in my opinion and neither would overall power but the timing and compression ratio seem to be the things that get ya with pump fuel safety. In the stock engine configuration on the Polaris RZR 1000's, the stock compression is 10.5:1 ratio so we end up pulling quite a bit of timing at higher TPS values to prevent spark knock because pump fuel is really volatile. It's also extremely inconsistent even from one side of town to the other, you could get totally different fuels.
My take is it's possible but you're on edge of what I'd prefer to as the safety line running into knock/det issues. With the higher quality engine components of automotive engines vs powersports engines as well as far more capable engine management systems, it absolutely can be done with just the right recipe. We only have 91 octane here in Idaho unless we buy 55 gallon drums from a supplier here locally. So I'm basing this on my specifics for my location.
Hi Richard , I think if you dropped the deck height down far enough to allow the top ring to remain within the bore yet if the head has a 360 ° relief to clear the now positionally higher can unload the fire ring in the head gasket , the top ring from any detonation , so yes I think pump juice @ 1000 HP should be as reliable , as a mass produced new car , with its factory type warranties . Personally I am one for large volumes of oil , with 3000mile intervals for filters as well , personally 10000 to 15000 km intervals now , I don't believe oil and filters could be serviced more frequently , to no envirvironmental detriment what do ever . The fact that it is replaced more regularly it would at waste stage still be cleaner than if it were 10000 to 15000 KMs .
Got any advice on pressure oil source for a twin turbo set up 393 sbf
we use the oil fitting on the driver side of the blower/front cover
@@richardholdener1727 oil pressure sending unit location?
One side turbo always eats up the leading edge of the compressor blades and I've tried individual oil lines and shared oil line solid and braided out of the oil pressure sending unit port. Cxracing hybrid turbos
No 331 Turbo ?
I did that too
Great video brother, I was wondering if you had ever taken a ford 5.4 and put old school 351 heads back on it and intake with a carb with vacuum advance. And just get away from the dual timing chain and to a single chain. Or if it was even possible
those r different engine families
@@richardholdener1727 will the 302 bolt up to the transmission and can you use a non computered engine to that trans
How did you get the stock EFI computer to run at that level? Did you use a chip or aftermarket computer?
WE DIDN'T USE A STOCK ECU-BUT THAT IS EASILY DONE WITH PROGRAMMING
Richard, do you really think any of these 1,000 HP engines would be happy on 91-93 octane pump gas? Big Bang, no doubt!
no
Can we do a video on a centrifugal blower with a waste gate for increased torque? I would love to see how it compares to a turbo set up. Preferably on a Ford small block.
It will always makes less-parasitic losses associated with driving the blower-even worse when gated at higher speed
Ok got it. Thanks for the response. I am looking to get just a bit more torque without maxing my Novi 2000 out. Control it with a waste gate controller. Dial it down for the street. Keeping reasonable boost levels of course, say 16# down to 10#. This will be on my shp 347. Not sure if the parasitic loss is going to be a huge issue. Any other input or tips would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again
Pretty mild, worked out well 🤓
Would really love to see a big bang on a 351 Cleveland
So how long before the block splits😂
the junkyard block is capable of 1000hp?
yes
Which if any of these setups would fit in a gen 4 explorer? There's a Durango in town I'd love to show up.
Appreciate all the videos! What was the Compression ratio on the 363?
mid 10s
Richard Can you do a test with different spark plug gaps for NA
no change unless misfire at a very wide gap
I have a 398 sbf stock block making 958rwh on nitrous want to switch to a turbo how much can block handle in your opinion hp before self destructing
Nice to see the good old SBF doing this on SBE. Now it's time for the new Hemi...
You said SBC but I believe you meant SBF...these are all ford motors I'm gonna assume that was a type o lol
@@midnight347 yep. Typo. I corrected it tho. Thanks. Lol
How much difference do you see with indexing the plugs and where do you point the ground strip to.
I don't
Hey so what happens to all these engines i would like to buy one for my mustang cool videos
we keep using them for other tests
Cool thanks for responding i like your videos very good info 👍
Great videos Richard , how well did the speed master block check out ?Did it need alot of additional machining to get it in spec ?
weird combo of metric hardware size bolts and sae threads
Something about a 1000hp anything gets everybody's attention huh😎💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻 Great info as always Richard nice Job...
What kinda money are we talking for a complete 1000hp set with Ford motor and turbo kit? Just an estimate. Great videos Rich thank you
Not sure
You could get an estimate from Summit Racing.
What injectors?
120s
So are the speedmaster blocks good for high horsepower builds?
They have all worked for me on the dyno
So what's the Max horse power on a small block ford
never tried
Hey Richard whats your take on the speedmaster blocks compared to dart
I would use Dart for very high hp
This is crazy
Can You guys do a Big Bang with a 6bolt 4g63t
I just got a 454 gifted to me
496 with twins
Easy pump 1k combo
I got 3 6.0 a 5.3 and a 4.8
I'm building the 496 up first
Going in a 55 Dodge Coronet 2dr
Tim-let me know how it does
Would you recommend the xfi236 cam in a dart shp 363. 10.1 compression with an intercooled vortech. 10psi? It is not a race car, maybe an occasional test and tune. Tuned on holley terminator X
yes-or something slightly smaller if more of a daily driver
@@richardholdener1727 thank you for the reply. It's not a daily driver just a weekend toy with occasional trips to the track. I didn't mention I'll be running afr 205 heads. Thanks for all the great video content.
Richard, what sort of fuel injection were you running for the EFI combos? Mustang-based factory ECU or something else?
fast and holley
@@richardholdener1727 I messaged you sir on messenger . (No panic I know you have a busy day ) just letting you know 😎🐿 .
Baddass,just wondering do you have anymore cad 500 videos in the plans and if you remember what was the ring gap on the procharged 500?
I don't recall-have to ask Courtney
What compression was that 438 ? I’m building a high compression 410 12-12.5:1 stock 71 block , just wondering about boosting it 🤔 and I’m not dropping the compression to do it . So couldn’t I just run meth lol
YES ON THE METH
Rich how do you know if you have a short or long block. My engine came out of a Ford F-150 1987 5.0
short block has no heads
I have a question. i thought you said you was did work for a Ford or Mustang magazine back in the day. My question is, i remember reading in either 5.0 Mustang or Super Ford magazine, if memory recollects, the mag did a article on a 1995 Cobra Mustang, and it was if i recall correctly, it was a 351w that made 1032 to the wheels, and kept breaking transmission and do 100mph 4th gear burnouts. Do you remember that car, its history and the engine combo? This was back in the day and unheard of back then for a street driven car.
That wasn't me-I did tech and not car features
I would not use 91 octane on a build like that not worth putting junk pump gas
I would put. 100 octane or
91 with octanium
I’m having issue converting injectors to use for my hemi. Any tricks? They are LS injectors
maybe because they are LS injectors??
@@thenomadrhodes nope not the issue. U can use them. You just have to convert it and idk the company I bought them from is trying to say my conversion math was wrong. One side was rich and one side was lean
are you talking about mechanically converting them or just calculating the flow?
@@richardholdener1727 just the flow, they are the correct plug and length
Definitely run pump gas on 20* with only 10lbs
10-1 and 10psi pump gas? Sounds like a gamble to me.
The other video....my GOAT fave Mr H. Mr "Hey, what if we put in stronger con...".ooops. Too late Baby, now its too late..Though we Really did try to (Dyno) Brake it. Something inside just D-I-E-D and you cant hide and you just cant fake it....
Of course the next series needs to BBF followed by BBC with maybe a few other guys videos sprinkled in.
Can you do a video on how cam(s) affects power: What duration, lift, and overlap does to output and how it changes with displacement? Thanks for the videos!!!
I've done lots of cam videos
There is a cam vid on utube called Choosing a Cam by an Engine builder its about 45 mins long and its amazing. It Answers so many questions about cams. Highly recommend
@@richardholdener1727 you have done a lot of great videos on camshafts. I guess I am not clear on what makes a stroker cam and the mindset on picking a cam.
😃
Richard, are you planning to push a stock block 8.2 to see how far it will go without breaking?
I had someone contact me about that
@@richardholdener1727 with the right block prep and spot on tune it will go a 1000hp and be fine.
@5:58 - "or thereabouts" - it's actually 438 c.i....
my notes did say 438
Keep em coming richard. I bet your wife is tired or editing videos!
I do the editing-she is a teacher-has even more on her plate
@@richardholdener1727 oh ok, I saw the k24 video and thought his wife must get a kick out of this. either way I'm stoked to keep getting the content! 🤘
How about an odd duck like a 6.8 V10?
yes
@@richardholdener1727 I have one. A 2018 2V from an E-450. Debating on it or a simpler 5.0 from an Explorer,I have 2 of those & a 312 Yblock.
Is e85 pump gas
YES
I get all my e85 from a local station
So when you say race gas are you saying pump e85 for all these or actual race gas? I can get e85 at the pump but with inconsistencies I'd probably have to switch to efi and an ethanol sensor for safety.
What was the compression on the 363?
mid 10s
1000hp.. "Are you not entertained"
Would it be ok to run 93 octane gas on something pretty similar to the twin turbo 351w he talked about here on 15lb of boost? if so is 20 degrees on timing alright or would I have to set it lower for 93? It will be stock internals and everything with a 62cc chamber and about a 600 lift cam. Not sure what that compression ratio would be
About to build a refreshed junkyard/ebay 351w to replace my underpowered 302 ebay build😂
set it so it does not detonate
@@richardholdener1727 makes sense
I'd definitely use a DYNAMIC compression calculator to find out exactly where you're at. You'll need to know piston CCs, deck clearance, gasket thickness to get the static compression ratio. Radical cams usually have quite a bit of I/E overlap dropping the dynamic compression ratio. When you read cam descriptions and they list "increased compression ratio" as a requirement, it's usually to compensate for longer overlap in high duration grinds. You can even go so far as specc'ing out a cam to take compression away intentionally. I just picked up a 5.8 Windsor for the same thing. 😊😊😊😊 Hope your build turned out great 👍🏼👍🏼
What is the average cost of one of these builds
don't know
Richard what kind of fuel did you run in the 351w 427 stroker test
RACE GAS
@@richardholdener1727 I have the same set up with turbos 351w-418 if I run e85 what's the max compression ratio
What fuel were these running?
race
Dang it. You cheated.
You forgot the 5.0 , revving 8K, on 20lbs of boost!
Junk yard toyota 3.4L 5vzfe build!
Yes please! And 3vze. I've always wanted to see a big bang with that engine!
For some reason I thought the 351w was a big block
The 351C is physically a big block
the 351C is a small block-shorter deck than a 351W
@@richardholdener1727 I stand corrected. Maybe I'm thinking 351M?
James Williams the M has a big block bell housing bolt pattern but the same small block bore spacing. Think of it (and the 400) as talk deck Cleveland. Also, small block and big block is more gm thinking. FE is a "big block" whether it's 428 or 332 cubes. The Windsor is a small block from 221-351. The 385 is a big block from 460-370. Cleveland, small. M, small. Y block 272-312, fords built a ton of various displacement engines from various blocks. Gm built a small block...and a big block.( and a w head 348-409 if you want to get picky) Even mopar built poly motors, small block(la) , two big blocks (b, rb) small hemi, big hemi... It's easy to categorize small and big and now that 90% of fords are Windsor or 385 motors, they too can be technically called big and small I suppose.
@@jimmiller4667 shows my Ford knowledge. None apparently. Lol
Pull timing add boost
You can DO IT !
93 is the $#@+ for me
show me the way
@@richardholdener1727 ....DITTO !
On 93 😂 bro at least 100+ octane or e85 you don’t want to blow up
First!!
Personally I blame squirrels
Quite possibly it was the squirrels but most likely it was a Dingo that ate your baby.
Guess I'm the first to comment