Meanwhile us locals have been driving all the way through that Log Creek drainage in our old full size pickup trucks with bed loads of firewood for decades😂
I was there last year with my Tundra, but some folks in side by sides told me it wasn't accessible. I was alone and unfamiliar with the area and didn't want to risk getting in a situation that would get me stuck. I'll have to give it another try with some friends.
I have studied this area so much. My son and I camped right at the crossing of the bridge out and further up stream right where 4100 washes out. We've been trying to figure out a way to Greenwater. Glad to see you figured it out.
@@TheKPDX I’ve been trying from this specific spot at the beginning of the video as the road is washed out another mile or two up the creek. There are quite a few boulders on the creek and I haven’t attempted to cross them by myself. I just picked up a rubicon this week and will try crossing at that spot later next year but it’s good to know the option from Tacoma and Stampede pass.
super nice vid - sure wouldn't want anything much bigger than that Cherokee to try and get through there. Just a whole lot of nothing in the middle over the Stampede pass area between 410 and 90.
I love seeing other people with "normal" XJs getting it done in the back country! No exocages or 6" lift required. Great camera work with the drone shots, it's an awesome tactic to send it ahead of you to use for ground level shots like 6:40 where you'd normally be running ahead to set up a tripod.
Trouble is, there are a few ways north out of Greenwater that split off and just go nowhere. And Google maps wouldn't be of much help back in there a ways. And I've noticed, most of the places I'd like to take a 4 x 4 off 410, there are locked gates in the way.
As a former XJ owner (x2) this was fun to watch! Loved my last XJ but it wasn't stock ;) 3" OME lift, 4.10's, 32's and a fair bit of engine stuff....it rocked! Thanks for the awesome vid.
Hi, very nice video, Is there any way to have the route, I would like to do it this weekend with my family, are there places to camp near the river? Thanks.
Yes on camping and yes on route. Scroll down the comments to one from Mike about 9 months ago. The creek is Cabin Creek and the washout bypasses are narrow. I've seen Tundra's do it but it was very tight. I don't think a Full sized rig can do it. NW pin-striping is unavoidable.
Normally can't get there because of water levels till late July. This year may be August because of the snow pack. This is Cabin Creek just west of Easton. Look for Forest Road 41
At 6:43 is that cause the road was washed out? Went to this spot month ago, just after cabin Creek crossing the road is washed away. I saw some tracks going down but didn't take chance since I was alone and unsure if I'd get back out
Yes on the washout. There are 2 spots on each end of the washout to get up or down to the creek trail. That is the East on. Both are on the easy side of moderate. Need some ground clearance and front and rear approach/departure angle clearance. In 4WD there is no tire spinning or other drama. She walks right up either end with just a little power.
You will need a little more ground clearance than a stock Forester for the creek part. Probably 2 inch lift and taller tires. Approach angle going down into the creek should be ok with the lift but be prepared to hit the air dam a bit just in case.
Water level is still to high due to snow runoff. It is usually late July before it goes down. Go down to a comment by "Mike" about 8 months ago and read the replies for more information
@@wilsonwmaddox thanks for the info. If so this I'll definitely take another rig. I plan on doing stampede pass for sure but that's easy. Been looking at section 2 of the bdr trail too.
2000 and 2 inch lift. This picture had it on 29 inch tires and open diffs. Now has 32 and an Eaton trutrac in the rear and Yukon auto lock in the front.
What time of year was this? I came over from Greenwater 7/31/20 but couldn't fit into the entrance off Cabin Creek at the first wash out because I was too tall with Plano Sportsman cases on my rack. I ended up having to exit to the I-90 via the Stampede access. Great footage!!
How did you find this route?? I'd be so nervous about getting lost so far out lol. I want some cool offroad trails like this but not sure where to start. Lived in WA my whole life but have yet to experience anything like this
I've been overland off roading since 1979 when topo maps and a compass were how you got around. Today with offline navigation software like GIAGPS, things are much easier. Still use a compass a lot to find roads that head in a direction I want to go. Lots of dead ends and turning around but then you find gems like this. What do you have for a rig?
@@wilsonwmaddox I would borrow my parents jeep wrangler for this stuff, I guess I need to just get out there and learn these back roads! That's awesome you have so much experience
Feel free to hit me up if you want to do some exploring sometime. I do practice tread lightly and don't really do anything that is likely to damage my rig.
Check out the WABDR (Washington Back Country Discovery Route). It's easy driving for the most part from what I've seen (will find out this weekend) and not a trail for the most part, but with some 600 miles of back country you can't help but find places to wheel! :) We're heading out in a couple hours to head to the start. Should be fun.
Have you been back since you made this? I was there recently, and the river has changed a bit. Also, the road near the beginning of the video looks different than the one I took.
I was this year when the river was still to high. Video was from 2019. the 2020 season saw some drastic changes, especially to the big pools. Most were gone. The start of the video is near Pyramid Peak, a couple of passes away and still on the "west" side of the Cascades. The creek is on the "east" side of the cascades and the route crosses the Pacific Crest trail twice.
@@wilsonwmaddox, the road you started on looks more "offroady" than the road I took. The route we followed is actually what Google maps suggests if you "avoid highways" from Greenwater to Easton.
@@DevinDeCremer That road doesn't show up on most maps but the ones that it does is labeled FR195. The west jct is at 47.124936°/ -121.419568° It is a loop route on the southwest side of the ridge than the main route which is usually labeled FR7036. It joins back up with the main route at 47.123754° / -121.401266°
@@wilsonwmaddox, ohhh. Gotcha. That was one of the routes we looked at on our way through. We plan to explore more of those roads next time we go through. I'm the only one in the family with offroad vehicles. The others have 4WD vehicles, but they can't handle the tough stuff. So they'll have to take the easier routes through to Stampede Pass or something.
Yes. Right at the top of 7030 and work your way down to the 52 road west of the Stampede Pass area. Right again on the 52 road over Tacoma Pass to the 41 road. The trail runs the washed out 41 road into Easton. Some trail guides refer to it as the Cabin Creek trail.
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073QR6BVC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 High beams are really good for off road use compared to other standard headlights. They are not dedicated off road lights like Rigid but for the money, do really well
Depends on the crossing. This is a recognized trail fording. Crossings need to be as direct as possible and done in a way that doesn't tear up a delicate ecosystem. This particular area of Cabin Creek gets really hammered with spring runoff and as such, nothing is permanent as far as the ecosystem you see here. The big pools you see in this video and the thumbnail from 2019 that look like wonderful fish habitat, did not survive the 2020 spring runoff. They are gone now. Not just moved but gone. Maybe they will be back this year, maybe next. There is also no salmon on this river since it has such a violent spring which destroys any hatchery. So any tracks left by treading gently are also gone each year.
Unfortunately, yet another bridge on the 4100 just after the washout on the Easton side (coordinates: 47.2174599, -121.2218893) collapsed over the 2023-2024 winter, making this route impassable. There might be a way around by driving down into the creek, but i haven't tried it.
so, miles of forest service-grade road, then multiple crossings of a salmon spawning stream? isn't that kind of boorish?
Meanwhile us locals have been driving all the way through that Log Creek drainage in our old full size pickup trucks with bed loads of firewood for decades😂
Yep, really more bouncy bouncy than difficult. A good load of wood would probably smooth that right out.
Such fantastic place to spend a weekend. Endless roads to explore! Wouldn't trade living here for anything :)
I was there last year with my Tundra, but some folks in side by sides told me it wasn't accessible. I was alone and unfamiliar with the area and didn't want to risk getting in a situation that would get me stuck.
I'll have to give it another try with some friends.
@@Th3M3atlet’s go dude. I’m dying to try out these trails and I have an even larger truck. Crew cab long bed ram.
I have studied this area so much. My son and I camped right at the crossing of the bridge out and further up stream right where 4100 washes out. We've been trying to figure out a way to Greenwater. Glad to see you figured it out.
You can bypass via the Stampede access off I-90 and then choose to cross the Cascades via either Stampede or Tacoma Pass
@@TheKPDX I’ve been trying from this specific spot at the beginning of the video as the road is washed out another mile or two up the creek. There are quite a few boulders on the creek and I haven’t attempted to cross them by myself. I just picked up a rubicon this week and will try crossing at that spot later next year but it’s good to know the option from Tacoma and Stampede pass.
We did this with two Tundras, Jeep, and two Tacoma's around the same time this video was posted. Cabin Creek was a blast.
A buddy and I wanna do this, we’re does it begin I’m trying to find it on the map
@@colbyc3277 start off exit 62 from I-90, head southbound and you'll find your way from there.
@@romokid64 i wanna go
@@romokid64 more details? Will i make this trail with my 3rd gen T4R? Also, where exactly is this? Looks like a great trail.
The east end of this actually comes out into Easton (exit 71).
Just went through it this past weekend. We're almost done with our video.
This is a great video! Preceded by one of the BEST intros ever. Great work. Looking forward to more from you.
super nice vid - sure wouldn't want anything much bigger than that Cherokee to try and get through there. Just a whole lot of nothing in the middle over the Stampede pass area between 410 and 90.
Thanks for spending the time to bring us this video
I love seeing other people with "normal" XJs getting it done in the back country! No exocages or 6" lift required.
Great camera work with the drone shots, it's an awesome tactic to send it ahead of you to use for ground level shots like 6:40 where you'd normally be running ahead to set up a tripod.
So true
Great video man 👍 can’t wait to get back out.
Do you by chance have route saved on GPS. Would love to follow your route. Great video
Go to the comment from "Mike" about a year ago and look in the responses.
Sure wish I could figure your route out. Been messing around on Gaia and I'm familiar with the area......Such a rad video!
Hint; 47.22033, -121.25483 • Elevation: 2,816 ft
@@wilsonwmaddox You're the coolest, thanks!
Trouble is, there are a few ways north out of Greenwater that split off and just go nowhere. And Google maps wouldn't be of much help back in there a ways. And I've noticed, most of the places I'd like to take a 4 x 4 off 410, there are locked gates in the way.
I would be down to meet up and go for a ride! I also try to go as much as I can. Either green water or Evans creek!
What is your rig
07 Rubicon
Two days after the flood, I hauled some of the last loads off the 41 line and out through Stampede Pass. It added another 8 miles to our haul.
As a former XJ owner (x2) this was fun to watch! Loved my last XJ but it wasn't stock ;) 3" OME lift, 4.10's, 32's and a fair bit of engine stuff....it rocked! Thanks for the awesome vid.
PS I watched the ENTIRE thing! :D
What year Tundras? Im trying to figure out if my 92 Chevy short box extended cab could do this trail.
Wish I could give this two thumbs up!
Hi, very nice video, Is there any way to have the route, I would like to do it this weekend with my family, are there places to camp near the river? Thanks.
Yes on camping and yes on route. Scroll down the comments to one from Mike about 9 months ago. The creek is Cabin Creek and the washout bypasses are narrow. I've seen Tundra's do it but it was very tight. I don't think a Full sized rig can do it. NW pin-striping is unavoidable.
I'd love the location and about how long is the trip I'd love to take the family out there
Normally can't get there because of water levels till late July. This year may be August because of the snow pack. This is Cabin Creek just west of Easton. Look for Forest Road 41
Cool video man
At 6:43 is that cause the road was washed out? Went to this spot month ago, just after cabin Creek crossing the road is washed away. I saw some tracks going down but didn't take chance since I was alone and unsure if I'd get back out
Yes on the washout. There are 2 spots on each end of the washout to get up or down to the creek trail. That is the East on. Both are on the easy side of moderate. Need some ground clearance and front and rear approach/departure angle clearance. In 4WD there is no tire spinning or other drama. She walks right up either end with just a little power.
@@wilsonwmaddox ok. I'm gonna check it out again. I have the gpx you sent.
Just back, did it today. First part finding path thru creek was only worry. Great trail. Thanks again!
I wonder how far a Forester can reach at this place.
You will need a little more ground clearance than a stock Forester for the creek part. Probably 2 inch lift and taller tires. Approach angle going down into the creek should be ok with the lift but be prepared to hit the air dam a bit just in case.
I dont know if this post is still active but Id like to attempt this, this weekend. Any info on route, locations, mapping would be awesome!
Water level is still to high due to snow runoff. It is usually late July before it goes down. Go down to a comment by "Mike" about 8 months ago and read the replies for more information
This is awesome. I need to do this.
Think my 97 gmc jimmy would do this ? 2 inch lift and stock size all terrain Cooper tires.
S 10 size if you are very careful. I've seen Toyota Tacoma do it with spotters and pulling the mirrors in with about 1 inch of clearance.
Front approach angle my be an issue dropping into the creek portion.
@@wilsonwmaddox thanks for the info. If so this I'll definitely take another rig. I plan on doing stampede pass for sure but that's easy. Been looking at section 2 of the bdr trail too.
I see Wilson has been out playing in the dirt again.
will you show me this route? I live nearby
Yes, channel name at gmail to contact me
Hey where did you start
Greenwater at the 70 road
Proud Owner of 2 4x4 XJs 91 2dr. And a 2001 4dr. What year is yours? And does it have a mild lift on it ?
2000 and 2 inch lift. This picture had it on 29 inch tires and open diffs. Now has 32 and an Eaton trutrac in the rear and Yukon auto lock in the front.
@@wilsonwmaddox Beautiful....✌
What time of year was this? I came over from Greenwater 7/31/20 but couldn't fit into the entrance off Cabin Creek at the first wash out because I was too tall with Plano Sportsman cases on my rack. I ended up having to exit to the I-90 via the Stampede access. Great footage!!
September. Water is still to deep as late as June/July
@@wilsonwmaddox Thanks!
Great drone footage. What drone are you flying (I'm guessing Mavic Pro by the shadow & following while avoiding obstacles)?
Phantom 4 Pro V2
@@wilsonwmaddox Thanks for the follow up!
How did you find this route?? I'd be so nervous about getting lost so far out lol. I want some cool offroad trails like this but not sure where to start. Lived in WA my whole life but have yet to experience anything like this
I've been overland off roading since 1979 when topo maps and a compass were how you got around. Today with offline navigation software like GIAGPS, things are much easier. Still use a compass a lot to find roads that head in a direction I want to go. Lots of dead ends and turning around but then you find gems like this. What do you have for a rig?
@@wilsonwmaddox I would borrow my parents jeep wrangler for this stuff, I guess I need to just get out there and learn these back roads! That's awesome you have so much experience
Feel free to hit me up if you want to do some exploring sometime. I do practice tread lightly and don't really do anything that is likely to damage my rig.
Check out the WABDR (Washington Back Country Discovery Route). It's easy driving for the most part from what I've seen (will find out this weekend) and not a trail for the most part, but with some 600 miles of back country you can't help but find places to wheel! :) We're heading out in a couple hours to head to the start. Should be fun.
Note: but don't take the hard route on Bethel Ridge unless you are prepared for a LONG slow drive! Amazing views but we were in 4 low a LONG time!
Have you been back since you made this? I was there recently, and the river has changed a bit. Also, the road near the beginning of the video looks different than the one I took.
I was this year when the river was still to high. Video was from 2019. the 2020 season saw some drastic changes, especially to the big pools. Most were gone.
The start of the video is near Pyramid Peak, a couple of passes away and still on the "west" side of the Cascades. The creek is on the "east" side of the cascades and the route crosses the Pacific Crest trail twice.
@@wilsonwmaddox, the road you started on looks more "offroady" than the road I took. The route we followed is actually what Google maps suggests if you "avoid highways" from Greenwater to Easton.
@@DevinDeCremer That road doesn't show up on most maps but the ones that it does is labeled FR195. The west jct is at 47.124936°/ -121.419568° It is a loop route on the southwest side of the ridge than the main route which is usually labeled FR7036. It joins back up with the main route at 47.123754° / -121.401266°
@@wilsonwmaddox, ohhh. Gotcha. That was one of the routes we looked at on our way through. We plan to explore more of those roads next time we go through. I'm the only one in the family with offroad vehicles. The others have 4WD vehicles, but they can't handle the tough stuff. So they'll have to take the easier routes through to Stampede Pass or something.
Do you have a GPS track of the route that you took?
Look towards the begining of the comments for contact info
Do you have a map of your exact route you took?
wilson maddox hotmail. com No spaces
Is this accessed from FS70 and 7030?
Yes. Right at the top of 7030 and work your way down to the 52 road west of the Stampede Pass area. Right again on the 52 road over Tacoma Pass to the 41 road. The trail runs the washed out 41 road into Easton. Some trail guides refer to it as the Cabin Creek trail.
@@wilsonwmaddox thank you!
Jeep didn’t get the memo because it was sent to Chrysler...
It also couldn't go back in time
A Mopar is still a Mopar and jeep has always taken the ques from mopar even when it was AMC
What are you running for headlights?
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073QR6BVC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
High beams are really good for off road use compared to other standard headlights. They are not dedicated off road lights like Rigid but for the money, do really well
Isn't it illegal to drive in river beds?
Depends on the crossing. This is a recognized trail fording. Crossings need to be as direct as possible and done in a way that doesn't tear up a delicate ecosystem. This particular area of Cabin Creek gets really hammered with spring runoff and as such, nothing is permanent as far as the ecosystem you see here. The big pools you see in this video and the thumbnail from 2019 that look like wonderful fish habitat, did not survive the 2020 spring runoff. They are gone now. Not just moved but gone. Maybe they will be back this year, maybe next. There is also no salmon on this river since it has such a violent spring which destroys any hatchery. So any tracks left by treading gently are also gone each year.
@@wilsonwmaddox Thank you for the explanation. I'll watch the video again, without being concerned about your driving in the water!
Is there a map of this trail?
Yes, look in the comments below and you will find an email address
let's go together!!! I need some buddy's for this I'm local
Pierce County?
@@wilsonwmaddox yes sir
@@x3xasonx6x81 wilsonmaddox@hotmail.com
How many hours did this route take?
Just under 3 hours from departing SR410 at the 70 road to back on pavement in Easton. Lots of stops along the way
Lots of illegal water crossing
Take me next time, I’ll pay for gas and bring lots of junk food 😃
Do you have a rig? Check out Goat off Road channel also. We can get you out on one of our outings.
email sent
Unfortunately, yet another bridge on the 4100 just after the washout on the Easton side (coordinates: 47.2174599, -121.2218893) collapsed over the 2023-2024 winter, making this route impassable. There might be a way around by driving down into the creek, but i haven't tried it.