Every time a big studio says "player freedom," we almost always get a big empty world, and a largely linear story with small choices throughout that only slightly changes the ending. One ending is the good ending. The other one is the bad ending, and last just makes you feel like shit.
@@pixels_per_minute Except Naughty Dog isn’t Ubisoft. I don’t mind them giving no / nominal changes in game endings or story impact, but if they can incorporate in game freedom in exploration and gameplay that would be brilliant. Think the semi open world section of TLOU2 but where you have a lot of options in how to traverse or tackle situations / combat and on a bigger scale.
As someone whose favorite genre is the book-like experiences we used to get in the 2000s (especially Bioware before they completely pivoted their style), I now wince at the buzzword "player freedom" for exactly those reasons. Some games are better big. But the focused narrative experience has been almost completely neglected in AAA spaces for the last few decades.
@@amolbhatia1449 has naughty dog done anything to deserve that kind of wishful thinking? at least ubisoft used to be fairly innovative and unafraid to make changes or improve functionality. giving us the same old gameplay with some choices sprinkled in doesnt really sound very fun at all, and naughty dog hasnt made a meaningful change to their combat and exploration formulas since uncharted came out nearly 20 years ago...
@ Ubisoft’s innovation largely revolves around running a business and trying to find the next big thing to milk the consumer for. Naughty Dog’s focus is on excellence and because they deliver they don’t necessarily need to chase trends (like copying Witcher which Ubisoft have been doing for a decade now). Specifically on Naughty Dog, they essentially have been the studio that created the benchmark for the industry for narrative experiences with Uncharted and then totally set a new bar with TLOU. So one aspect of the modern gaming experience owes a lot to them. When it comes to gameplay and exploration, I’d say that this was probably what held back their earlier titles slightly but with TLOU2, they delivered some of the absolute best third person action stealth gameplay I’ve experienced. The exploration was also much improved with some non linear areas. But again, let’s be realistic here - they’re not wizards. A Mario game doesn’t have branching story paths. A FS game doesn’t have realistic cutscenes full of dialogue and human interaction. One experience doesn’t have to encapsulate everything.
I like when a game gives the player AGENCY. This is different from choice. It means the things you do as the player have an effect on the world. They can't make the player do something and have the character they control decide to stop and give up in a cut scene.
Pretty sure that's part of it. It just depends where the agency is. Is it the environment, the gameplay loop or the story. RDR2 had a lot of agency, but that was focused on the gameplay loop and environment, because the ending was predetermined. Also, the character changing their mind in a cutscene doesn't change the fact that they considered something, and that could change their relationship with other characters. We just got to wait and see.
@blackmanwithcomputer The ending was but Arthurs character development is up to the player so it works well with the open world. If RDR 1 was not a thing they likely would have had lots of different endings, Maybe even have Low honour Arthur survive and High honour Arthur Die.
Add a simple prompt called "Press M for Mimir". This option can be toggles on and can be used by Kratos to trigger a chat with Mimir whilst traversing the world for random facts, in-game lore, jokes, etc. but can also be used for puzzle hints when in the vicinity of or engaging with a puzzle in the world.
honestly i wouldnt be mad. I would love to be able to pick the option to play as a male character in a ND game again for the first time in a decade lmao
The study of gamer psychology and how that influences game design would be so much more interesting if it wasn’t almost entirely driven by monetization maximization.
There was a time when such things were used to improve the quality of a game... That lasted about as long as it takes to say, "but how do we make money through psychological manipulation?"
Baldur's Gate 3 offers unprecedented player freedom in how they choose to experience the game. The game has sparked debate within the industry, with many developers claiming that what Larian Studios achieved is an exception that rarely occurs and that players shouldn't expect this level of quality as it's unrealistic. I disagree with this perspective and hope that what's been accomplished in Baldur's Gate 3 will inspire other developers to strive for similar levels of excellence in their games.
If they have to put yellow/white paint everywhere, just give us the option to disable! I've passed a game it two that do this (recent tomb raider games, I think).
In modern games, "player freedom" sounds like "we'll make an uninspired, empty world where things don't happen, and you get to make your own story (because there isn't one) and lots of freedom on how you choose to play the game (usually terribly designed, half-assed levels and mechanics because there's no core vision of what the game should be)."
Interested to see what this means. Neil said that he'd been playing a lot of games that focused more on gameplay and level design to carry the narrative of the game. He said something to the point of it opening his eyes to new directions of game design. I've been wanting them to still keep the mocap work and attention to detail, but dial back the cinematic nature of their games for all non-essential scenes. Like RDR2 and Witcher 3. A TLOU3 that tones down the cinematic direction, but puts bigger focus on environment interaction, player choices, NPC AI engagement, supply management and actual survival mechanics (like bleeding, sleep, stress, hunger, shelter, etc) is the dream TLOU game.
Well thats what you want...doesnt mean shit tho and why not them do all that and still keep cinematic scenae for immersion i hate dialouges that are rpg like its so robotic
Luke hated that happened I was so happy to see you live today but yeah it Shat itself hope you can get it back and up and running this week love you Luke 💯
There have been a lot of studies regarding WFH and specifically A/B tests and most studies are pretty consistent - productivity is up for remote work, particularly for intermediate and senior employees. But collaboration and new ideas are better in person, and it's a better learning environment for junior employees.
We also know through the grounded documentry that were planning on making TLOU 2 open world but then it didnt sit right with the story now they are doing it with a new ip inspired by the likes of bloodbourne.
I used to work at a place where you got pizza dinners every friday. We did overtime and stuff like that. Then there were no more pizza fridays or paid breakfast. But the overtime continues. Moral of the story removing free stuff (free for the employees) doesn't mean less work (it means less spending for corporate).
I never get the travel time to office. Like it’s the same place you’re going to every single day. You should be getting there on time. Also you expect to live close to where you’re getting hired at, I live in the USA I’m not gonna put in an application to work at a Japanese McDonald’s.
The crunch dinners being over is probably bitter sweet. Like obviously NEEDING to work overtime sucks, but I do feel like it would make people feel like part of a real team. Overall no crunch is 100% positive, but like I said, probably just a bit bitter sweet. As far as working from home is considered I do think it's very position dependent. Like I can imagine super involved positions that have to communicate back and forth between multiple people all day would be slower from home, but other positions that just need to communicate once or twice a day would be equally efficient.
Gotta be honest, I use to work 70 hrs just to survive in my high cost state. It absolutely sucked don’t get me wrong but if the result of those hours was an awesome piece of art that I could be proud of I personally wouldn’t mind the work load. But I guess that’s just me.
For the BotW DSP example: I don't think people would immediately realize that the metal sword and shield would be the problem, but at least after trying to outrun lightning, go "hmmm, that didn't work..."
Its not like "they don't trust you can solve a puzzle", its more like research has shown time and time again that some folks get stuck with some visual puzzles and there's some cognitive difference in people that make it so some people can't process well three dimensional spaces in virtual settings, so they solve this giving hints on what to focus your attention. THAT SAY, shouldn't hard AT AAAAAALLL to make a prompt at the start of the game asking "you want help solving puzzles from your companion (less time puzzlin' around and more time fighting) or do you want to solve it all by yourself?", or, even, make them say something like "hmmm I think I get it", and then you need to walk up to them and ask yo' what did you get? how do we solve this shiath? and boom, everyone happy* *everyone if we only take in consideration not morally bankrupt people. Or Twitter-Users.
A classic example of making something we didn’t ask for. No one wanted a live service LOU online game, we wanted a an updated version of the fairly simple LOU multiplayer
1:43 ALLEGEDLY eliminated crunch, we will see if they ACTUALLY did a couple years after their next game comes out once the devs are allowed to talk about their experience.
If they eliminated crunch, the game is gna not be next level. That’s just how it goes. In this industry, if you wanna achieve next-level greatness, u gotta crunch sometimes. Not all the time. But sometimes. U gotta put in the extra hours. Or, your game will take a decade to make, and by the time it comes out, it’ll feel behind the industry anyway. I’m not saying every game requires crunch, but Naughty Dog type games…. Yeah. At least toward the end of production. (Or so I was told by a successful seasoned game designer)
@@MisterK-YT put it this way, as an artist, if you truly care, you will put in extra hours especially when crossing the finish line to make your work as best as possible. The problem is these companies sometimes have crunch that literally lasts the entire development cycle. That’s no longer passion, that’s being a slave.
Wow i didn't expect this comment secfion to be this bad, i thougbt most of the ND hate had died down already, but seems like a lot of people are still butthurt, especially people who didn't play the game. The next ND game is already being hated for 1 sentence dropped by an unofficial source? Yikes
Based on Naughty Dog's previous games and what they wanted initially for TLOU P2, player freedom could mean a bigger world, possibly more metroidvania design than open world. An experience that's more action RPG with a linear story. Explorable locations that are disconnected from the main narrative, allowing you to skip parts of a level, but connect back to the true path. Deeper stealth that actually competes with MGS5, not just basic hide and seek, but passive options like decoys and disguises. Maybe create your own weapons based on the melee weapons system they had in Part 2. Possibly more options to encounters besides kill, hide or run to checkpoint.
@@gagz9kno, ninguna. El tema de la democracia no tiene ninguna relación intrínseca con la libertad. Es una analogía para explicar que ni Venezuela elige realmente a sus representantes por temas de corrupcion. Como que Naughty Dog tampoco te da realmente el poder de decisión a ti si no que solo es una mecánica superficial.
If you think about it, game quality really got bad after the whole "work at home" shit started. I think this is a huge reason as to why games are coming out in such poor quality. Gane develolment takes alot of communication between different teamas and leads theres no way you can have that working from home
@@bigpoppa3999 Listen, we understand you must snuff out any fun where you see it especially when it's against your holy relic. But... it's still funny. Having a roided out narcissistic sociopath with an intelligence outclassed by the game's own AI, as your messiah must be... fascinating.
I still think the last of us online could have worked. They had that mode in the first game, they could have just redone that. Or just give the online game to another trusted studio to keep patching and adding content. It really seems like Bungie either scared them away or forced them out.
I’m hoping this means they’re trying to make something like MGS5 with S tier acting. But I assume it’ll just be a marginally better Ubisoft game like Horizon/Days Gone or something like that.
We’ll see. As of now, I don’t trust them. They’ve made Joker 2 of gaming, do at least two games in a row without soiling the bed. Because it is entirely in their style to tell “every choice you’ve made was bad and you, player, is a bad person” in sequel.
Well if you think ignoring what happened in the first game was what they shouldve done then youre kind of right… Joel ignored it aswell, until he got a shotgun to the knee because suprise surprise you dont blow up a hospital full of soldiers with their loved ones just accepting it and moving on… Wait, isnt the fact Joel killed so many people just to get to Ellie the exact same thing that Abby did just to get to Joel to kill him? Dont you think Joel shouldve accepted Ellie being gone the same way that you expect that no one shouldve went after Joel? Are you seriously so daft, that just the fact that you felt like you knew joel and ellie made you completely accept the deaths of countless lives while dismissing them as worthless since none compare to your daddy Joel?
Given how pretentious and up it's own ass TLOU2 story was, here's hoping that a focus on a different type of way of creating a narrative will make the games better.
Just put Amy Henning to write in a safe and comfortable and the artists well treated and they'll be fine. I always look forward to what NaughtyDog does
While i'm hopeful, player freedom from big developer usually mean "we want to make openworld now"... because every single game needs to be openworld in modern gaming.
Don't play the game if you don't like it. It's really that simple. Naughty dog is not forcing you to buy there next game. If you're that upset then don't buy there next game.
@bigpoppa3999 😂 this guy hasn't learn tell people your game will just end up with you never getting a new game. People complaining about the game WANT the game to be good. They just don't want social justice politics in them. Crazy I know
Im a bit wary. I feel like this is a huge departure from their linear style, and I hope that making it more free doesn't affect their storytelling, since thats mostly why I play them.
"Will have" rather than "has" implies that the game is still in early development. Boyo - ND is going to have only one game this generation that is likely cross-generational with ps6. Hmmm
They'll probably add Bud light to the quick slot inventory to help with all the emotional damage we will be getting from taking it in the bum bum while exploring, no cutscene required
It would have been cool to have a Last of Us version of "The Division" where theres a main hub. Like they release a city, town, or harbor with cruise ships as large servers that you have to battle and liberate from the infected. Mix it with the State of Decay NPC and base mechanics and it would awesome. Or get some inspiration from GTA where you can unlock your own homes/bases/locations you can invite your own party into. Then go into the PVP areas for rare supplies and equipment. Or go to Danger zones where the PVP damage is off but you explore and collect supplies with your party and extract with your bag/inventory.
I remember a video about god of war that talk about the famous yellow painting to guide the player and how they choose a sublte approach in god of war with runes instead of yellow paint it was hilarious lol
Could you imagine if Sony just let them work on the next game immediately instead of wasting theirs and ours time. They’d be what 4 years into production for the next game where as maybe we’d get it next year or in 2026 it’s probably close to 2030 now
They probably meant Elden Ring. They wouldn't ask that if said game wasn't as universally acclaimed. For example no man's sky is defined by player freedom and we'll known,but opinions on it differ too much. Hitman is awesome, and praised by nearly everyone who played the new trilogy, but for some reason still seems like a too niche title for that comparison.
They could have done both. This idea that they would be unable to pull it off being one of the biggest gaming companies with playstation behind them makes 0 sense. We will never truly know the real reason.
100%. They’re screwed. I had a PSN account since 2014. I canceled it when they censored stellar blade and I will never sign up again. Lol. It’s just out of principal. I don’t like the direction they’re going. I’ll stick to my PC and only support the rare western exclusive and mainly eastern PlayStation exclusives.
@@The_Primary_Axiom Seems like I gotta be part of the sane majority and say 5%. To say it’s “Censored” is wild, considering how the game turned out, and of all things to be pissed over, it’s THAT!?!!! You gotta be kidding. (Highly confident the choice to “censor” stuff was the studios and not PlayStations, best to fact check your outrage.) be a gamer not a gooner.
@@Bro-dot- Dude studios don’t censor their own art lol. No Studio wants to censor their own art unless they are told to by the publisher or esrb or whatever it’s called. That is why they released the uncensored on disc. Then Sony told them to patch it after IGN and other mainstream critics complained. I don’t think you know how this works. Then when people pushed back and signed a petition and started canceling their account, they rolled it back. Didn’t you noticed they started releasing more outfits that are even more provocative than the first one? If it was the studio censoring their own art why the heck would they have even more provocative, and even more uncensored outfits in the pipeline? Also, Sony is king of censorship dude what are you talking about? They even censored one of their booklets in their own adult game but it was uncensored on Nintendo. Lol. So a child’s console it was uncensored, but Sony on their own freaking console, their own freaking studio they censored it! Do you know how many eastern games, or just games in general Sony has censored? It’s uncountable. I remember years ago Microsoft was like we don’t sensor here. Come play here. It was some game called Martha something. Sony censored it and Microsoft said just play it here we don’t censor games. Yea, Sony is king of censorship.
@@The_Primary_Axiom so you don’t have any other point aside that you can’t be a gooner on launch so now PlayStation studio must fall not like the quality of the games they make?!!!! Stellar blade is still good without the S3x appeal so to why make it only about that? There are plenty websites for you. If what they censored mattered then they wouldn’t have it censored. The censorship that occurred in stellar blade is such a tiny thing it really doesn’t impact the enjoyment of the game.
@@Bro-dot- I don’t understand you. What is your argument? You’re calling me names because I don’t like Sony anymore? What are you 16 years old ? Why are you trying to convince me I’m wrong? Yes I used to love PlayStation games and now I don’t. Why is that such a bad thing to you? Also, yes dude I’m a guy I like to look at beautiful women. Sorry i’m not gheeay or a they! What you want me to pretend I like looking at androgynous women in western games? Get off the chipmunk Oil, bro. No I like to look at beautiful female characters. Also, when I play as a guy, I wanna be handsome and buff. I don’t want to see a walmart clerk. Oh my God, what a sin to wanna look at beauty. I know, right
It is code word. What "a lot of player freedom" means to "the last of them" is for "the rest of us" it means "open world". Druckmann probably thinks he invented the concept. They are just being coy.
they really need to factor in the work from home conditions when figuring what is more efficient. I could easily some people being very inefficient if they have a family who do not respect boundaries, but someone who is not being interrupted being pretty efficient. they need to consider more factors when figuring out what works best.
Player freedom in a naughty dog game just sounds like you get multiple options for the same exact outcome come.
@@RusticRonnie outcome*
So Bastheda style of modern writing.
3 outcomes but only 1 is the "real" outcome ND wants and the other 2 are guilt trippy or lackluster
Bethesda choices!
Pretty much lol
If it's Naughty Dog, there'll be two paths down a narrow hallway instead of one.
Revolutionary!😢👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
To the surprise of no one, sounds like you didn't play the last 2 Naughty Dog games.
@@Saint.Cosmos Sounds like you've never played a ND game, ever
@@Saint.Cosmosbro why are you on about TLOU2 is the most linear game on earth.(hyperbole but still true)
@TheNightman. I played the first Last of us was good 👍 the second one lame and gay with zero multiplayer 👎
Every time a big studio says "player freedom," we almost always get a big empty world, and a largely linear story with small choices throughout that only slightly changes the ending.
One ending is the good ending. The other one is the bad ending, and last just makes you feel like shit.
I smell gear grind, optional stealth and choices that don't matter.
@@pixels_per_minute Except Naughty Dog isn’t Ubisoft. I don’t mind them giving no / nominal changes in game endings or story impact, but if they can incorporate in game freedom in exploration and gameplay that would be brilliant. Think the semi open world section of TLOU2 but where you have a lot of options in how to traverse or tackle situations / combat and on a bigger scale.
As someone whose favorite genre is the book-like experiences we used to get in the 2000s (especially Bioware before they completely pivoted their style), I now wince at the buzzword "player freedom" for exactly those reasons. Some games are better big. But the focused narrative experience has been almost completely neglected in AAA spaces for the last few decades.
@@amolbhatia1449 has naughty dog done anything to deserve that kind of wishful thinking? at least ubisoft used to be fairly innovative and unafraid to make changes or improve functionality. giving us the same old gameplay with some choices sprinkled in doesnt really sound very fun at all, and naughty dog hasnt made a meaningful change to their combat and exploration formulas since uncharted came out nearly 20 years ago...
@ Ubisoft’s innovation largely revolves around running a business and trying to find the next big thing to milk the consumer for. Naughty Dog’s focus is on excellence and because they deliver they don’t necessarily need to chase trends (like copying Witcher which Ubisoft have been doing for a decade now).
Specifically on Naughty Dog, they essentially have been the studio that created the benchmark for the industry for narrative experiences with Uncharted and then totally set a new bar with TLOU. So one aspect of the modern gaming experience owes a lot to them. When it comes to gameplay and exploration, I’d say that this was probably what held back their earlier titles slightly but with TLOU2, they delivered some of the absolute best third person action stealth gameplay I’ve experienced. The exploration was also much improved with some non linear areas. But again, let’s be realistic here - they’re not wizards. A Mario game doesn’t have branching story paths. A FS game doesn’t have realistic cutscenes full of dialogue and human interaction. One experience doesn’t have to encapsulate everything.
Player freedom could mean literally anything
minecraft, hitman or last of us pt.2. 3 completely different meanings of player freedom😂
i assumed everyone was thinking GTA.
i could even see it being Oblivion or Skyrim
Especially coming off of making games with zero freedom
@@Siris6771 to be fair to TLOUs technical side, it's like the next generation Splinter Cell.
@@leoSaunders Maybe a MGS 5 type game where it’s an open area but you get to have freedom in how you do your objective.
Being told that AAA companies specifically cater to people like DSP has ruined my day.
It does explain quite a lot, like how they can be so out of touch.
But he is king....
What’s wrong with DSP?
@@jeavenbasi7639 Joon the King has a video that will catch you up.
lmao at first i thought this was an edit, i couldnt believe it 😂🤣
Freedom to not get hit with a golf club?
😂 💀
Freedom not to watch Neil Druckmenn's fantasy with Abby.
Druckman on red carpet 😂
damn you still at it
Instead of a golf club, you have here a hockey stick!!!
Can't believe Todd and Emil sabotaged Luke's stream again
I can’t believe Sony Santa Monica Studios used a clip of DSP for the God of War presentation 😂😂
DSP will out live all of us 😂
What’s wrong with DSP?
I like when a game gives the player AGENCY. This is different from choice. It means the things you do as the player have an effect on the world. They can't make the player do something and have the character they control decide to stop and give up in a cut scene.
Pretty sure that's part of it. It just depends where the agency is. Is it the environment, the gameplay loop or the story. RDR2 had a lot of agency, but that was focused on the gameplay loop and environment, because the ending was predetermined.
Also, the character changing their mind in a cutscene doesn't change the fact that they considered something, and that could change their relationship with other characters.
We just got to wait and see.
@blackmanwithcomputer The ending was but Arthurs character development is up to the player so it works well with the open world. If RDR 1 was not a thing they likely would have had lots of different endings, Maybe even have Low honour Arthur survive and High honour Arthur Die.
Add a simple prompt called "Press M for Mimir". This option can be toggles on and can be used by Kratos to trigger a chat with Mimir whilst traversing the world for random facts, in-game lore, jokes, etc. but can also be used for puzzle hints when in the vicinity of or engaging with a puzzle in the world.
The player freedom in question: gender and sexuality
Most likely hahahshsah
@@thewh00ster buddy, it’s okay to say you like boys. Nobody is gonna get mad at you
honestly i wouldnt be mad. I would love to be able to pick the option to play as a male character in a ND game again for the first time in a decade lmao
So who hurt you? 😂
@@owenharrison761 Neil Druckman.
The study of gamer psychology and how that influences game design would be so much more interesting if it wasn’t almost entirely driven by monetization maximization.
There was a time when such things were used to improve the quality of a game... That lasted about as long as it takes to say, "but how do we make money through psychological manipulation?"
Player freedom: Here's three yeses and one maybe.
Alternatively: Yes, question/more information, "sarcastic", maybe.
"Working from home is great for me because that's where all my other distractions are. At the office I only have work and that's lame. Pay me"
Baldur's Gate 3 offers unprecedented player freedom in how they choose to experience the game. The game has sparked debate within the industry, with many developers claiming that what Larian Studios achieved is an exception that rarely occurs and that players shouldn't expect this level of quality as it's unrealistic. I disagree with this perspective and hope that what's been accomplished in Baldur's Gate 3 will inspire other developers to strive for similar levels of excellence in their games.
Is this a copypasta or something? Because if not you are comparing apples and oranges.
Talking Naughty Dog with an olive green Henley. Slick move.
I never once thought I'd see Luke reacting to DSP. God bless this video lmao
Dude really talked to us about his glasses for a sec, lmaooo
DSP is the reason why (yellow paint) man exist in video games 😂😂😂
If they have to put yellow/white paint everywhere, just give us the option to disable! I've passed a game it two that do this (recent tomb raider games, I think).
Hearing that a game will have “more player freedom” is like a car salesman telling you that this vehicle runs on gas
“It runs”
In modern games, "player freedom" sounds like "we'll make an uninspired, empty world where things don't happen, and you get to make your own story (because there isn't one) and lots of freedom on how you choose to play the game (usually terribly designed, half-assed levels and mechanics because there's no core vision of what the game should be)."
NFT might end up there to
Interested to see what this means. Neil said that he'd been playing a lot of games that focused more on gameplay and level design to carry the narrative of the game. He said something to the point of it opening his eyes to new directions of game design.
I've been wanting them to still keep the mocap work and attention to detail, but dial back the cinematic nature of their games for all non-essential scenes. Like RDR2 and Witcher 3.
A TLOU3 that tones down the cinematic direction, but puts bigger focus on environment interaction, player choices, NPC AI engagement, supply management and actual survival mechanics (like bleeding, sleep, stress, hunger, shelter, etc) is the dream TLOU game.
Well thats what you want...doesnt mean shit tho and why not them do all that and still keep cinematic scenae for immersion i hate dialouges that are rpg like its so robotic
Luke hated that happened I was so happy to see you live today but yeah it Shat itself hope you can get it back and up and running this week love you Luke 💯
He looks so uncomfortable having an opinion about working from home while he himself is in his plush work from home seat.
I figured that the Factions assets and systems will be rolled into TLOU3, not this next unknown, probably unrelated, thing.
There have been a lot of studies regarding WFH and specifically A/B tests and most studies are pretty consistent - productivity is up for remote work, particularly for intermediate and senior employees. But collaboration and new ideas are better in person, and it's a better learning environment for junior employees.
Maybe they will actually let you kill the villain this time. (Like in ghost of Tsushima) I think that would be best.
Where would the sequel come from
Writers? that cost money
college drop outs cost empty promises
As someone with the "fat, soccer ball shaped head" affliction, I sympathize.
We also know through the grounded documentry that were planning on making TLOU 2 open world but then it didnt sit right with the story now they are doing it with a new ip inspired by the likes of bloodbourne.
Are you sure it’s not “freedom….for the modern audience”
Jack and Dexter: The Jackening!!!! LES GOOOOIO!!!!
Sounds dangerous
Luke is back on track! Keep up the good work!
I used to work at a place where you got pizza dinners every friday. We did overtime and stuff like that. Then there were no more pizza fridays or paid breakfast. But the overtime continues. Moral of the story removing free stuff (free for the employees) doesn't mean less work (it means less spending for corporate).
3:30 how did creatures like that take over the gaming industry
I feel the whole thing of do you want to create or lead is how we got other triple A games making brain dead game mechanic decisions.
I never get the travel time to office. Like it’s the same place you’re going to every single day. You should be getting there on time. Also you expect to live close to where you’re getting hired at, I live in the USA I’m not gonna put in an application to work at a Japanese McDonald’s.
“Player freedom” from Naughty Dog probably just means the option to choose top surgery scars for your character.
Where did the wokey touch you?
@@BillPinkNye they/them touched my pee/pee.
@@BillPinkNye They are so mad about more and more gamers that are gay, female, black etc getting into gaming
more freedom only means one thing and everyone knows what that is
The crunch dinners being over is probably bitter sweet. Like obviously NEEDING to work overtime sucks, but I do feel like it would make people feel like part of a real team. Overall no crunch is 100% positive, but like I said, probably just a bit bitter sweet. As far as working from home is considered I do think it's very position dependent. Like I can imagine super involved positions that have to communicate back and forth between multiple people all day would be slower from home, but other positions that just need to communicate once or twice a day would be equally efficient.
Gotta be honest, I use to work 70 hrs just to survive in my high cost state. It absolutely sucked don’t get me wrong but if the result of those hours was an awesome piece of art that I could be proud of I personally wouldn’t mind the work load. But I guess that’s just me.
For the BotW DSP example: I don't think people would immediately realize that the metal sword and shield would be the problem, but at least after trying to outrun lightning, go "hmmm, that didn't work..."
Oh gosh, DSP is why I never post a single/tiny/minuscule clip of me gaming (I love gaming but I am a TERRIBLE gamer lol).
If you feel you can vibe not sure skill matters
Look at Kai Cenat Elden ring
Its not like "they don't trust you can solve a puzzle", its more like research has shown time and time again that some folks get stuck with some visual puzzles and there's some cognitive difference in people that make it so some people can't process well three dimensional spaces in virtual settings, so they solve this giving hints on what to focus your attention.
THAT SAY, shouldn't hard AT AAAAAALLL to make a prompt at the start of the game asking "you want help solving puzzles from your companion (less time puzzlin' around and more time fighting) or do you want to solve it all by yourself?", or, even, make them say something like "hmmm I think I get it", and then you need to walk up to them and ask yo' what did you get? how do we solve this shiath? and boom, everyone happy*
*everyone if we only take in consideration not morally bankrupt people. Or Twitter-Users.
A classic example of making something we didn’t ask for. No one wanted a live service LOU online game, we wanted a an updated version of the fairly simple LOU multiplayer
1:43 ALLEGEDLY eliminated crunch, we will see if they ACTUALLY did a couple years after their next game comes out once the devs are allowed to talk about their experience.
If they eliminated crunch, the game is gna not be next level. That’s just how it goes. In this industry, if you wanna achieve next-level greatness, u gotta crunch sometimes. Not all the time. But sometimes. U gotta put in the extra hours. Or, your game will take a decade to make, and by the time it comes out, it’ll feel behind the industry anyway.
I’m not saying every game requires crunch, but Naughty Dog type games…. Yeah. At least toward the end of production.
(Or so I was told by a successful seasoned game designer)
@@MisterK-YT put it this way, as an artist, if you truly care, you will put in extra hours especially when crossing the finish line to make your work as best as possible.
The problem is these companies sometimes have crunch that literally lasts the entire development cycle. That’s no longer passion, that’s being a slave.
@@DroolingDrilling I feel ya
As long as they don’t make part 3 changed so much I don’t really mind
Wow i didn't expect this comment secfion to be this bad, i thougbt most of the ND hate had died down already, but seems like a lot of people are still butthurt, especially people who didn't play the game. The next ND game is already being hated for 1 sentence dropped by an unofficial source? Yikes
It funny trash games pile up day after day from AAA
Based on Naughty Dog's previous games and what they wanted initially for TLOU P2, player freedom could mean a bigger world, possibly more metroidvania design than open world.
An experience that's more action RPG with a linear story. Explorable locations that are disconnected from the main narrative, allowing you to skip parts of a level, but connect back to the true path. Deeper stealth that actually competes with MGS5, not just basic hide and seek, but passive options like decoys and disguises.
Maybe create your own weapons based on the melee weapons system they had in Part 2. Possibly more options to encounters besides kill, hide or run to checkpoint.
Yeah it makes me feel excited, sucks seeing people who just hate ND and want to somehow say this is bad thing/pointless
DSP vs the weight puzzle
Naughty Dogs gonna give Luke cool Doggyland trip😂😂😂
Yeah and venezuela is a democracy.
Cuando dicen "mucha libertad" se estaran refiriendo a libertad, libertad? o "venezuela is a free country" libertad?
@@gagz9kno, ninguna.
El tema de la democracia no tiene ninguna relación intrínseca con la libertad.
Es una analogía para explicar que ni Venezuela elige realmente a sus representantes por temas de corrupcion. Como que Naughty Dog tampoco te da realmente el poder de decisión a ti si no que solo es una mecánica superficial.
Brazil as well
If you think about it, game quality really got bad after the whole "work at home" shit started. I think this is a huge reason as to why games are coming out in such poor quality. Gane develolment takes alot of communication between different teamas and leads theres no way you can have that working from home
You'll get to choose what weapon to kill Joel with. Cricket Bat? Tennis Racket? Just imagine the player freedom!
DLC decorate your joel deletion implements.
@@DpcD062m How about a golf club now that original.
@@om58499But it's golden with diamonds.
Damn y'all still crying about that?😂😂
@@bigpoppa3999 Listen, we understand you must snuff out any fun where you see it especially when it's against your holy relic. But... it's still funny.
Having a roided out narcissistic sociopath with an intelligence outclassed by the game's own AI, as your messiah must be... fascinating.
They’re hybrid working from home now we know why nothing has come out from naughty dog in 4 years
12:08 wait .... is that DSP 😂😂😂😂😂
Yes, that’s the Roachpig.
@@that80ssongyoulove84 DSP is king, bruh
The chronic live masturbator himself
The DSPverse is bigger than you know....
What’s wrong with DSP?
Neil Druckmann is the type of guy who really loves the smell of his own farts.
I still think the last of us online could have worked. They had that mode in the first game, they could have just redone that. Or just give the online game to another trusted studio to keep patching and adding content. It really seems like Bungie either scared them away or forced them out.
That's just it TLOU Online was going to be a full on live service not just PVP. Which is another level of concern on its own.
I’m hoping this means they’re trying to make something like MGS5 with S tier acting. But I assume it’ll just be a marginally better Ubisoft game like Horizon/Days Gone or something like that.
Naughty dogs player freedom: You want to die from bludgeoning with a golf club or by bludgeoning with a baseball bat?
I legit did not know it was my gear making the lightning hit me in BOTW 😂😅 had to hear about it by accident through UA-cam videos.
We’ll see. As of now, I don’t trust them. They’ve made Joker 2 of gaming, do at least two games in a row without soiling the bed. Because it is entirely in their style to tell “every choice you’ve made was bad and you, player, is a bad person” in sequel.
Not the joker 2 of gaming the Last Jedi of gaming.
Well if you think ignoring what happened in the first game was what they shouldve done then youre kind of right… Joel ignored it aswell, until he got a shotgun to the knee because suprise surprise you dont blow up a hospital full of soldiers with their loved ones just accepting it and moving on…
Wait, isnt the fact Joel killed so many people just to get to Ellie the exact same thing that Abby did just to get to Joel to kill him? Dont you think Joel shouldve accepted Ellie being gone the same way that you expect that no one shouldve went after Joel?
Are you seriously so daft, that just the fact that you felt like you knew joel and ellie made you completely accept the deaths of countless lives while dismissing them as worthless since none compare to your daddy Joel?
The Last of Us story isn't told through cinematics but through gameplay? What is Druckman on?
Can't wait for another Neil self-insert to spit on another beloved character.
Manny wasn't based on Neil. Manny's character model was based on Alejandro Edda, who also did the mocap and voice of Manny.
*Just a reminder for people in the comments:* You can glaze ND because they are wizards, but stay realistic with what they are actually capable of.
Today was the first day that I decided to watch you on twitch lol.
Given how pretentious and up it's own ass TLOU2 story was, here's hoping that a focus on a different type of way of creating a narrative will make the games better.
Just put Amy Henning to write in a safe and comfortable and the artists well treated and they'll be fine. I always look forward to what NaughtyDog does
The player freedom they are talking about is being able to pick your pronouns. 😂
I'm just glad and excited that they're making something completely new (I hope), I want to see a new IP and genre from them
While i'm hopeful, player freedom from big developer usually mean "we want to make openworld now"... because every single game needs to be openworld in modern gaming.
Sounds good to me.
10:16 literally every game now these days have the same badstard running around each level and marking everything with bright neon paint.
I don't understand the god of war clip, what am I looking out for?
Yes please. Stop killing our favorite protagonist and force us to play antagonist as a new protagonist
Why so you can get another resident evil franchise milking the protagonist? You want the character to turn into a god or something?
Don't play the game if you don't like it. It's really that simple. Naughty dog is not forcing you to buy there next game. If you're that upset then don't buy there next game.
@@EmissaryTheMessengerResident evil barely milking any protagonist from the series. Each of them have like 3 games at most
@@EmissaryTheMessengeryou clearly haven’t played resident evil. Also everyone loves Leon so I don’t see a problem with him being in a ton of games.
@bigpoppa3999 😂 this guy hasn't learn tell people your game will just end up with you never getting a new game. People complaining about the game WANT the game to be good. They just don't want social justice politics in them. Crazy I know
I would love it if they made a fully open world game just to see their approach on it.
Most players will have the most freedom by not buying the Game... Part 2 was awfully contrived it actually harmed the first Games reputation.
I just want them to show something man. It’s been 4 years since Part 2…but at the same time I’m glad crunch has been adressed so I’m willing to wait.
Starfield is the game that came to mind.
Why?
@@ContrastCopy They hear exciting news and immediately become cynical.
@@Bro-dot-You are only allowed one reaction and it MUST be positive... OR ELSE!!!!!
Im a bit wary. I feel like this is a huge departure from their linear style, and I hope that making it more free doesn't affect their storytelling, since thats mostly why I play them.
"Will have" rather than "has" implies that the game is still in early development. Boyo - ND is going to have only one game this generation that is likely cross-generational with ps6. Hmmm
Naughty Dog is dead to me after TLOU2+Neil Drukmann and stupid effortless re-releases.
Remember the days when multiplayer was almost the standard instead of an add on or a totally separate game?
I hope they make it like Red Dead 2 open world with MULTIPLAYER.
They'll probably add Bud light to the quick slot inventory to help with all the emotional damage we will be getting from taking it in the bum bum while exploring, no cutscene required
Naughty dog Dev: Oh and don't worry. There'll still only be six or seven zombie types and we will barely see them or talk about them
An extraction shower would be AMAZING
Nvm
Asmongold needs that
It would have been cool to have a Last of Us version of "The Division" where theres a main hub. Like they release a city, town, or harbor with cruise ships as large servers that you have to battle and liberate from the infected.
Mix it with the State of Decay NPC and base mechanics and it would awesome. Or get some inspiration from GTA where you can unlock your own homes/bases/locations you can invite your own party into.
Then go into the PVP areas for rare supplies and equipment. Or go to Danger zones where the PVP damage is off but you explore and collect supplies with your party and extract with your bag/inventory.
There's no way the game he was talking about was Baldur's Gate 3 right?
12:40 I did not know dsp was in a gdc video
DSP=Monkey Confirmed
I remember a video about god of war that talk about the famous yellow painting to guide the player and how they choose a sublte approach in god of war with runes instead of yellow paint it was hilarious lol
You think Forspoken is bad !
Vampire First hour . Specially the first scene is priceless.
U wouldn't believe humans done the voice acting and writing
Could you imagine if Sony just let them work on the next game immediately instead of wasting theirs and ours time. They’d be what 4 years into production for the next game where as maybe we’d get it next year or in 2026 it’s probably close to 2030 now
They probably meant Elden Ring. They wouldn't ask that if said game wasn't as universally acclaimed.
For example no man's sky is defined by player freedom and we'll known,but opinions on it differ too much. Hitman is awesome, and praised by nearly everyone who played the new trilogy, but for some reason still seems like a too niche title for that comparison.
I don't think we get a Naughty Dog game this generation
They could have done both. This idea that they would be unable to pull it off being one of the biggest gaming companies with playstation behind them makes 0 sense.
We will never truly know the real reason.
PlayStation Studio’s downfall incoming…
100%. They’re screwed. I had a PSN account since 2014. I canceled it when they censored stellar blade and I will never sign up again. Lol. It’s just out of principal. I don’t like the direction they’re going. I’ll stick to my PC and only support the rare western exclusive and mainly eastern PlayStation exclusives.
@@The_Primary_Axiom Seems like I gotta be part of the sane majority and say 5%. To say it’s “Censored” is wild, considering how the game turned out, and of all things to be pissed over, it’s THAT!?!!! You gotta be kidding.
(Highly confident the choice to “censor” stuff was the studios and not PlayStations, best to fact check your outrage.) be a gamer not a gooner.
@@Bro-dot- Dude studios don’t censor their own art lol. No Studio wants to censor their own art unless they are told to by the publisher or esrb or whatever it’s called. That is why they released the uncensored on disc. Then Sony told them to patch it after IGN and other mainstream critics complained. I don’t think you know how this works. Then when people pushed back and signed a petition and started canceling their account, they rolled it back. Didn’t you noticed they started releasing more outfits that are even more provocative than the first one? If it was the studio censoring their own art why the heck would they have even more provocative, and even more uncensored outfits in the pipeline? Also, Sony is king of censorship dude what are you talking about? They even censored one of their booklets in their own adult game but it was uncensored on Nintendo. Lol. So a child’s console it was uncensored, but Sony on their own freaking console, their own freaking studio they censored it! Do you know how many eastern games, or just games in general Sony has censored? It’s uncountable. I remember years ago Microsoft was like we don’t sensor here. Come play here. It was some game called Martha something. Sony censored it and Microsoft said just play it here we don’t censor games. Yea, Sony is king of censorship.
@@The_Primary_Axiom so you don’t have any other point aside that you can’t be a gooner on launch so now PlayStation studio must fall not like the quality of the games they make?!!!! Stellar blade is still good without the S3x appeal so to why make it only about that? There are plenty websites for you.
If what they censored mattered then they wouldn’t have it censored. The censorship that occurred in stellar blade is such a tiny thing it really doesn’t impact the enjoyment of the game.
@@Bro-dot- I don’t understand you. What is your argument? You’re calling me names because I don’t like Sony anymore? What are you 16 years old ? Why are you trying to convince me I’m wrong? Yes I used to love PlayStation games and now I don’t. Why is that such a bad thing to you? Also, yes dude I’m a guy I like to look at beautiful women. Sorry i’m not gheeay or a they! What you want me to pretend I like looking at androgynous women in western games? Get off the chipmunk Oil, bro. No I like to look at beautiful female characters. Also, when I play as a guy, I wanna be handsome and buff. I don’t want to see a walmart clerk. Oh my God, what a sin to wanna look at beauty. I know, right
It is code word. What "a lot of player freedom" means to "the last of them" is for "the rest of us" it means "open world". Druckmann probably thinks he invented the concept. They are just being coy.
Mario 64 has player freedom, you can choose how tackle stars and the order of it, that game came out more than 20 years ago
player freedom? like open world survival with crafting elements? how risky of naughty dog
they really need to factor in the work from home conditions when figuring what is more efficient. I could easily some people being very inefficient if they have a family who do not respect boundaries, but someone who is not being interrupted being pretty efficient. they need to consider more factors when figuring out what works best.
Thanks!