@sunday1409 his helmet has the explosive…not his mask. and idk where you got the idea batman puts any explosives in his robin’s mask what are you saying my guy
I always thought Nightwing was there to further illustrate how imperfect a mentor Batman is, and to show how personally he was taking the situation with Red Hood.
For me I always thought he still had regrets about Jason and didn’t want to put anyone in that position again so Batman distanced himself from nightwing to protect him
That and it could also illustrate why Dick quit in the first place he felt undervalued and wanted to get out of his shadow...and also shows that no matter what how good he does on his own Batman will always be above him
Grayson got older. You could easily recognize people you barely crossed paths with growing up. He still interacts with Batman, and his masks barely covers his face(get a god damn cowl) Plus, Joker got ultimate bragging rights here, he would tell EVERYONE what happened. Like getting one over on someone in prison.
I also love how different Bruce reacts to Jason in the dilapidated apartment. In the comic, he feels like he can't take responsibility for the incident, avoiding eye contact. In the movie he does take responsibility, making eye contact and legitimate responding. In the comic, he feels like a man who knows he should kill the joker, but can't let go of the one thing of his parents he had left.
I think villians figured out Jason was a new Robin because Dick was probably in his late teens before becoming knightwing, and then suddenly Robin is a 12 year old again, so obviously it couldn’t be the same person. And also I feel like the mask under the mask thing was done by Jason specifically to have an effect on Bruce during their confrontation.
yeah, like dick was probably about 17 maybe when he left, then suddenly a small thirteen year old is now robin, and there would have been a gap too between robins where batman didn't have robin.
In the comics it was quite simple. Robin, an unpowered master fighter and strategist with black hair and a domino mask was the leader of the Teen Titans. Then Robin was replaced as leader by Nightwing, an unpowered master fighter and strategist with a domino mask.
17:20 I think the Robin to nightwing can be explained like this Robin is young when we first meet him it changes with every version but let’s just say he’s 11 when he becomes Robin, he then is Robin for years (criminals see Robin is growing up based on time/height) he later becomes nightwing and Jason becomes Robin, Robin is now a young boy again while there is a new hero nightwing whom constantly shows up when Batman needs it, my guess is the news broadcasters put that together and probably were like “what if nightwing is Robin” I can see it now 😂
If they are using the continuity from the comics, full-grown Dick Grayson was Robin when he was the leader of the Teen Titans. He later changed to Nightwing (while still being leader of the Titans). Later Batman has a new kid Robin. It would be easy to piece together that he was the original Robin.
Nothing is more poetic than when they changed the story so that Joker killed Batman's parents then Batman's actions lead to the creation of the joker, then apply that here and have the Joker kill batman's "son" and create the Red Hood.
People know because the supervillains know their enemies, and loudly and frequently call out new identities and replacements. Their henchmen therefore learn of it, and it makes its way through the grapevine. Nightwing in particular was leading the Teen Titans when he made the transition, so anyone who knows the Titans' members, or even just its leader, could reasonably figure out what happened, especially since he still uses the same persona (kind of doesn't have one) and skill set. Another source would be the GCPD, many of whom see Batman and the rest often enough to tell who they are in a new identity (or the heroes tell them). Besides, no one's a teenager for 15 - 20 years, and it went from 17 - 18-year-old Dick to 12 - 14-year-old Jason. Obviously a different person.
Batman is more interesting when he has the Batfamily. I'm tired of Hollywood only portraying Batman as a dark and brooding lone wolf. I wish they would adapt stories like Bruce adopting Dick Grayson, or Under the Red Hood. Something that hits deeper at the core of Batman.
@@one_spicy_boy1724 I doubt it. The Batman is exactly what I'm talking about. It's a grounded dark and gritty take. The Batfamily doesn't fit into that.
It's because of this movie that I started reading red hood and the outlaws in 2012 and the rebirth series, which is my favorite series. Artemis is perfect for Jason as a love interest.
DiMaggio a definite top 5 people to portray Joker might be number 3 for me. As we seemingly need a new default person to portray Joker DiMaggio would be my pick. Keep in mind Hamill's pretty much said he's not doing Joker any more since Conroy is gone. Also since Vee has done a lot of Batman movies he should really do Batman vs TMNT
This is one of my all time favorite movies. It was my introduction to the character of Jason Todd. One of my favorite Jokers. The story was great. I am bout to watch the movie again.
I think it would be kinda strange to see batman with a child robin who slowly grows up, gets taller deeper voice, then batman stops having robin, then robin comes back and is noticably younger, acting different, in a smaller suit and there is a new super hero similar to batman with a bird asthetic who sometimes teams up with batman. it's not crazy lol. why would they assume it's the same robin? how could you assume that? how did robin age opver the years, disappear and then get younger?
To be fair Dick was a member of the Teen Titans as Robin and, then after a while the Titans came around it was a similar team with a similar older leader.
John DiMaggio's performance is always the thing that distinctly remains burned into my mind regarding this movie. Despite it being his only appearance as the Joker, I think it's incredibly underappreciated, and I wish he'd come back to voice the character again. All that being said, it's good to see it getting some love in this video.
When I first watched this movie, even as a child who didn't understand English that much, it still left me with a load of emotions that I couldn't leave. I feel sad for Jason because of how much anger he has inside him. I feel sad for Bruce because of how much pain he's enduring. And it the end I just feel bad for both characters, because the ending felt so open ended that they can't come to a conclusion. I was there was more to this movie.
One of the things I like about the Gotham knights game was the fact the GCPD thought all the robins were the same person if you look at his “criminal file” in the second mission
Well, maybe Robin kept being Robin for a while until he got the new cape. Then crooks started to notice Nightwing was beating them in the same way that Robin was. And "Robin" just started working with Batman again, but they were being beat up in the same way. It's not rocket science 😅
i read the comic after the movie and was i surprised with the whole ambassador joker thing, one thing i did like in the comics was the presence of Jason's mother but i can see how she would be hard to work in the movie plot
to be fair i think nightwings ineffectiveness is supposed to be a representation of batmans unwillingness to work with others as a result of Jason dying and no Neil Patrick Harris did not do a great job he sounded like a parody of superman
I think all of the changes they made from the comic were really, really good choices. Imagine trying to explain the whole "Superboy Prime punched the universe and it brought him back to life" or whatever since that's probably the biggest outright change. It would just be too much. Instead they used something most more casual fans are familiar with (Ra's and the Lazarus Pit) and in doing so (and casting a great actor to play Ra's), it made something that could have been nonsensical into something that made sense, fit the tone and added something to the movie. The stuff they dropped was all stuff that would have added more runtime without adding story that mattered too. In fact if I'm being honest, as a Jason fan, I kind of wish the movie version was the comic version cause now it feels like the original comic version has "padding" that drags a bit when I go back to it even though that's probably not true. Also, I really enjoyed Jensen Ackles as Jason and Bruce Greenwood as Robin. I can still hear Jason saying "Doing it because - because he took me away from you" when he explains why he's upset that Bruce didn't kill Joker, and Bruce at the end going "This doesn't change anything. It doesn't change anything at all." I would easily put this movie on the same level as the best of the BTAS or JLU episodes.
I loved this movie when it came out, when I was still in my 'oh wait, there's more than one Robin?' phase. I still love it. The writing is incredible. The gut punches hurt. But. Now that I am fully down the rabbit hole and have been for a while, I feel like this movie could have been Even More if Tim Drake was Robin here. It would have added another 45 minutes but I think it would have added another layer to Jason's character. He's doing this because Bats never avenged him but he also replaced him. And I am greedy.
For criminals knowing the first Robin became Nightwing, my understanding was always that after the initial falling out between Bruce and Dick, Dick just kind of left to do his own crime fighting in Bloodhaven and kind of just was Robin there for a short time until his persona evolved into Nightwing as he grows as a young man and hero. The criminals who know of Batman and Robin would obviously notice Robins departure from Gotham to the nearby Bloodhaven without the Bat himself tagging along and common sense would lead them to assume Robin in fact became Nightwing as there aren't exactly that many heroes there, along with a new and younger Robin showing up at Batmans side back in Gotham. Granted this is simply conjecture as I'm no comics expert, but this is all to my understanding of the basics of Dick Graysons journey from Robin to Nightwing. I could be wrong and admittetly some of this is colored by the Teen Titans/Young Justice stories/shows.
The difference between live action and animation and had much more impact when it comes to red hood. In Titans (which I’m probably one of the only people who actually kind of loved the show despite the inaccuracies) Jason Todd is around 19 and in the comics and animation he is much younger when he dies. He’s still a kid which makes it so much darker and sad to experience his death. When you have a robin who is 16 at most die it’s much more impactful cause Bruce essentially became his father very early in his life so he’s responsible for showing and explaining various aspects of life. Your brain isn’t fully developed yet so Batman had the responsibility to parent him the right way making him directly responsible for the way he acts at least partly. That’s what makes his eventual death more tragic and Bruce’s guilt that much more understandable. In Titans he’s 19 so he’s had 18 years of life experience. Sure bruce took him in but he was almost an Adult anyways. With Dick in Titans Bruce adopted him much earlier and making Bruce the person that made Dick the way he is. I heard some people say that Jason sucked in Titans especially pre red hood but I think that was the point. Jason was never a great robin in the comics and anywhere else. He was always jealous of how Bruce favored Dick and way too cocky. I think Titans nailed that aspect of Jason. Jason as Robin was a failure and always meant to be a cautionary tale for Batman. Jason is meant to be Red Hood and when he is Red Hood that is his true self.
usually people figure out who nightwing and the others are through how old they are, and sometimes robin is in blüdhaven before ever becoming nightwing. it also feels like they wanted to get rid of nightwing because he was out of the story around the same time, but realized they didn’t have anything, but i feel like what was used was fine as he was also used as a way to see how cold and separated batman became with him being quick to leave everyone behind to stay a step ahead so no one has the risk of dying aside from him. even though dick is competent and helpful, bruce didn’t want him involved because of jason.
Feel free to call me an idiot for this, but I always get confused by where R'as Al-Ghul stands. I don't believe I've seen a consistent portrayal of the League of Shadows' leader. Edit: I also forgot to clarify that I know next to nothing outside of the DCAU films (The Flashpoint Paradox AU, to clarify).
I definitely agree but i think it was used to show his respect towards batman and his family although they had different views on how to stop crime he respects batman
I always thought Nightwing's akwarness was to show how hard is he trying to show and feel that he is Batman's equal now, he wants to be treated with more respect but Batman just don't care
People figure out that there are multiple robins and what personas they take after the role because they understand that kids don't stay kids forever. No one is thirteen for six years straight. So when a new robin shows up and a new hero with the same voice, appearance, personality, and fighting style of the old robin shows up, people put two and two together because they have common sense. Some of us don't make that connection because time in the real world doesn't pass the same as it does in comic books. I mean hell a string of five days in comics can last up to three years worth of comics. Just look at the Dressrosa arc in One Piece. All that went down in like one day but lasted five or so years for us in the real world. So for us there is a disconnect that in-universe characters don't have.
Apparently dick Grayson's fighting style is so recognizable that most supervillains can tell who he is. For example in the Comics after battle for the cowl Two-Face watching a video of Batman (which was Dick Grayson at the time) fight and just watching the fight he deduced it was Dick Grayson.
that death in the family movie is the future of movies after theaters become obsolete. It wouldn't be smart to open new theaters and just let the ones that are open fade and close.
In about 4 generations the fidelity of reality and stuff like unreal engine will be no different so actors doing voice work or licensing their likeness a and AI voice to do computer animated features will save money and having a standard narrative by the filmmakers and a choose your own adventure for the kids
Mask or no mask Robin looks the exact same when he turns into Nightwing because he's already a full grown adult I mean for fuck's sake Robin becomes a little kid again while this other hero who fights just like the old Robin shows up in teams up and seems to have a history with Batman it's not exactly hard to put two and two together and everyone knows the second Robin died because Robin hasn't been seen in a while and there's no third Robin I mean hell I even knew when I was a tiny child that Nightwing was the first Robin because he looks like Robin and that was before I learned their names
1. We’ll figuring out the Robins are different ppl isn’t that hard Actually ! For Example ! Batman & Robin been kicking these criminals ass like Joker 2 Face penguin etc for years right at some point it’s like hey 12 years ago him & this 13 year old kid was breaking in our wear houses and meetings beating us up & locking us up well now he has another 13 yr old kid 10 or 12 yrs later there’s no way in hell he’s the same Kid. Well that kid gotta be grown now. Well now he runs with an adult man blue black tights he must’ve been that kid back then ! This new kid must be somebody Different ! Clearly It Becomes Common Sense After Awhile ! That’s how they figure it out eventually! 2. This is a little more important ! In the comics or movies etc. Some ppl figure out Bruce is Batman well once they figure that out then figuring out Dick is Robin/Nightwing is easy AF. I mean like hey didn’t Bruce adopt that kid whose parents died in the circus years ago ! Yea that’s him Dick Grayson the age match that guy in the blue & black bird suit Nightwing right ! It’s Obvious ! Now as for everyone else it’s not that Obvious. If u look up Bruce public records well Jason died so you won’t think he’s Red Hood. On public records Barbra has a Father Jim Gordon so she won’t be associated with Bruce either. Same with Tim Drake cause he also had parents I’m not saying u can’t figure them out I’m just saying u have to the ground work yourself cause theirs won’t be as Obvious !
I like how this movie kinda of took the ‘No Kill Rule’ of Batman and played around with it. Batman doesn’t kill,But that lead to Jason dying. Batman doesn’t kill,But he Still trues to save Jason…who became a murderer Batman didn’t killed the Joker but He fantasizes about it Batman Doesn’t Kill But when he is given the choice of either Saving the Joker by Killing Jason or Let the Joker die.Bruce immeadiatly threw the Joker under the bus and Left him for dead by jasons hand. I think that by not breaking but playing atound woth the consept imade the movie that much more interesting than Batman just Whining for Jason to not kill People(Well…He kinda of did but still) And just Save the Joker for no explainable reason.
I wish i could experience the Death in the Family movie with the choose your own adventure option. Max doesnt do that, and it ruins it as a film. UTRH was ideal
to admit it is weird that some random thug knows that nightwing used to be robin but i took it that word travels fast in gotham and if a robin they got beat up by for years got a new haircut and voice they would suspect somethings up and when night wing shows up with the same voice and haircut and the robin looks younger then when they last saw him theyed put it together that robin is a mantel like aint no one beliveing that damian is the same person as grayson the thugs and the rogues would deffinentley spott that the new robin is a different race age and CARRYS A SWORD!
Not related to this video but i just saw a tv show on tv thats based on batman. Its called BatWheels its basicly CarsXBatman. Could you maby do a video on that for once? I dont want to say too mutch but i personaly think its even worse then gotham knights. The caracters are nowhere near acurate. And i just saw the christmass episode and the batgirl car im asuming suposed to be barbera said she was horrible with computers and that she couldnt read maps... if that says anything about how inacurate the show is. Like i get its a tv show characters like Jason and damien cant be fully acurate but barbera being bad with computers? why, why make a show thats acying like it wants to be related to batman and then change sutch important character things.
Respect to Jason for wearing a helmet that explode with a press of a button
Pretty sure batman had that installed in every robins mask aswell
He put bombs in his own adopted son's mask? @@sunday1409
@@sunday1409why tf would he have a bomb in his sons brain
@sunday1409 his helmet has the explosive…not his mask. and idk where you got the idea batman puts any explosives in his robin’s mask what are you saying my guy
@@Ben52810 if you knew batman. You would know that he always has a contingency plan.
I always thought Nightwing was there to further illustrate how imperfect a mentor Batman is, and to show how personally he was taking the situation with Red Hood.
For me I always thought he still had regrets about Jason and didn’t want to put anyone in that position again so Batman distanced himself from nightwing to protect him
That and it could also illustrate why Dick quit in the first place he felt undervalued and wanted to get out of his shadow...and also shows that no matter what how good he does on his own Batman will always be above him
Grayson got older. You could easily recognize people you barely crossed paths with growing up. He still interacts with Batman, and his masks barely covers his face(get a god damn cowl)
Plus, Joker got ultimate bragging rights here, he would tell EVERYONE what happened. Like getting one over on someone in prison.
I also love how different Bruce reacts to Jason in the dilapidated apartment. In the comic, he feels like he can't take responsibility for the incident, avoiding eye contact. In the movie he does take responsibility, making eye contact and legitimate responding. In the comic, he feels like a man who knows he should kill the joker, but can't let go of the one thing of his parents he had left.
Under the red hood is so good. It’s a shame red hood doesn’t have many good comics.
True.
It’s similar to Hush and Court Of Owls where after their debut story not very much is done with them after
Red hood and the outlaws is kinda cool because he creates his own trinity
Ackles as Red Hood and DiMaggio as Joker were excellent choices!
Fully agree
Yeah, I was very disappointed that Ackles didn't return to play Jason in Death in the Family
There’s not a single role that Jensen Ackles doesn’t body. I mean he’s Dean fucking Winchester. The ultimate badass.
💯
I loved this film as it still stands as one of my favorite animated films ever.
Still my favorite animated Batman film. The end still chokes me up.
Freaking masterpiece.
I think villians figured out Jason was a new Robin because Dick was probably in his late teens before becoming knightwing, and then suddenly Robin is a 12 year old again, so obviously it couldn’t be the same person. And also I feel like the mask under the mask thing was done by Jason specifically to have an effect on Bruce during their confrontation.
yeah, like dick was probably about 17 maybe when he left, then suddenly a small thirteen year old is now robin, and there would have been a gap too between robins where batman didn't have robin.
In the comics it was quite simple. Robin, an unpowered master fighter and strategist with black hair and a domino mask was the leader of the Teen Titans. Then Robin was replaced as leader by Nightwing, an unpowered master fighter and strategist with a domino mask.
17:20 I think the Robin to nightwing can be explained like this Robin is young when we first meet him it changes with every version but let’s just say he’s 11 when he becomes Robin, he then is Robin for years (criminals see Robin is growing up based on time/height) he later becomes nightwing and Jason becomes Robin, Robin is now a young boy again while there is a new hero nightwing whom constantly shows up when Batman needs it, my guess is the news broadcasters put that together and probably were like “what if nightwing is Robin” I can see it now 😂
God DAMN…. Under the Red Hood was incredible.
Yes I love it most animated batman movies are great
Joe killed as the joker
Also love Bruce Greenwood voicing batman very underrated
@@Chuck_EL I got to meet him at Emerald City Comic con back in 2012. Guy has some range, I mostly know him as Bender and Jake.
One of if not my favourite Batman movie of all time im happy to see it getting the appreciation and attention it deserves
If they are using the continuity from the comics, full-grown Dick Grayson was Robin when he was the leader of the Teen Titans. He later changed to Nightwing (while still being leader of the Titans). Later Batman has a new kid Robin. It would be easy to piece together that he was the original Robin.
Nothing is more poetic than when they changed the story so that Joker killed Batman's parents then Batman's actions lead to the creation of the joker,
then apply that here and have the Joker kill batman's "son" and create the Red Hood.
This is definitely in my top 3 of Batman animated movies. Top notch
“… the friends he’s crippled”
Best line in the whole movie.
Villains in Gotham watched the first Robin grow up and then not be there before being replaced a clearly younger Robin.
People know because the supervillains know their enemies, and loudly and frequently call out new identities and replacements.
Their henchmen therefore learn of it, and it makes its way through the grapevine.
Nightwing in particular was leading the Teen Titans when he made the transition, so anyone who knows the Titans' members, or even just its leader, could reasonably figure out what happened, especially since he still uses the same persona (kind of doesn't have one) and skill set.
Another source would be the GCPD, many of whom see Batman and the rest often enough to tell who they are in a new identity (or the heroes tell them).
Besides, no one's a teenager for 15 - 20 years, and it went from 17 - 18-year-old Dick to 12 - 14-year-old Jason. Obviously a different person.
True, and it's not like they're revealing their secret identities.
Batman is more interesting when he has the Batfamily. I'm tired of Hollywood only portraying Batman as a dark and brooding lone wolf. I wish they would adapt stories like Bruce adopting Dick Grayson, or Under the Red Hood. Something that hits deeper at the core of Batman.
Well said i hope thr next pattison film introduces thr start of the batman family
@@one_spicy_boy1724 I doubt it. The Batman is exactly what I'm talking about. It's a grounded dark and gritty take. The Batfamily doesn't fit into that.
It's because of this movie that I started reading red hood and the outlaws in 2012 and the rebirth series, which is my favorite series. Artemis is perfect for Jason as a love interest.
Yes, I love them together! Too bad we've never had a good live a Red Hood. Feels like wasted potential.
It makes sense the joker could tell robins apart. But you have a point with the random henchmen
Young Justice serves Robin really well. it's a great show
DiMaggio a definite top 5 people to portray Joker might be number 3 for me. As we seemingly need a new default person to portray Joker DiMaggio would be my pick. Keep in mind Hamill's pretty much said he's not doing Joker any more since Conroy is gone. Also since Vee has done a lot of Batman movies he should really do Batman vs TMNT
Top 3 i wld deffo agree
This is one of my all time favorite movies. It was my introduction to the character of Jason Todd. One of my favorite Jokers. The story was great. I am bout to watch the movie again.
Really do wish we coulda got that nightwing vs red hood.
I think it would be kinda strange to see batman with a child robin who slowly grows up, gets taller deeper voice, then batman stops having robin, then robin comes back and is noticably younger, acting different, in a smaller suit and there is a new super hero similar to batman with a bird asthetic who sometimes teams up with batman.
it's not crazy lol. why would they assume it's the same robin? how could you assume that? how did robin age opver the years, disappear and then get younger?
To be fair Dick was a member of the Teen Titans as Robin and, then after a while the Titans came around it was a similar team with a similar older leader.
Mask of The Phantasm is the best batman movie, period. Under the Red Hood and Return of The Joker are honorable contenders though.
Imma change that period to a coma, and call under the red hood the best period.
John DiMaggio's performance is always the thing that distinctly remains burned into my mind regarding this movie. Despite it being his only appearance as the Joker, I think it's incredibly underappreciated, and I wish he'd come back to voice the character again. All that being said, it's good to see it getting some love in this video.
Mane that’s cool u got the voice actors bruh that was gold
It’s sad that lately they been doing red hood kinda dirty
Also Jason Todd is voiced by Dean from Supernatural
John DiMaggio was really good as joker
Absolutely love under the red hood
wait......the interactive movie is a thing...and it's GOOD!?
well I missed out years ago then
I would assume that joker told 1 person who told many. He is the 1 who killed 1 of the Robins
When I first watched this movie, even as a child who didn't understand English that much, it still left me with a load of emotions that I couldn't leave. I feel sad for Jason because of how much anger he has inside him. I feel sad for Bruce because of how much pain he's enduring.
And it the end I just feel bad for both characters, because the ending felt so open ended that they can't come to a conclusion. I was there was more to this movie.
Jason was a little too easy to agree with in the comics so they course corrected in the movie lol
I love Batman Under The Red Hood. Jason is my favorite Robin and honestly one of my favorite characters
One of the things I like about the Gotham knights game was the fact the GCPD thought all the robins were the same person if you look at his “criminal file” in the second mission
I love Jason and joker and the dinner and red hood killing on the bridge. That the only good thing about the interactive movie
5:54 it is a lot like Hush because Jason was in on Hush's plan in Red Hood: Lost Days
I though Red Hood (The Joker) was an alternate version of the Joker. The only time I've seen the Joker version was in Batman the Brave and the Bold.
That was such a good show!
Well, maybe Robin kept being Robin for a while until he got the new cape. Then crooks started to notice Nightwing was beating them in the same way that Robin was.
And "Robin" just started working with Batman again, but they were being beat up in the same way.
It's not rocket science 😅
My one of two favourite jokers of all time
Jason: I died in an explosion
Also Jason: so I’m gonna put a bomb in my helmet 😂
Ive always said this is hands down the best Batman movie. Hollywood take notice.
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i read the comic after the movie and was i surprised with the whole ambassador joker thing, one thing i did like in the comics was the presence of Jason's mother but i can see how she would be hard to work in the movie plot
to be fair i think nightwings ineffectiveness is supposed to be a representation of batmans unwillingness to work with others as a result of Jason dying and no Neil Patrick Harris did not do a great job he sounded like a parody of superman
I think all of the changes they made from the comic were really, really good choices. Imagine trying to explain the whole "Superboy Prime punched the universe and it brought him back to life" or whatever since that's probably the biggest outright change. It would just be too much. Instead they used something most more casual fans are familiar with (Ra's and the Lazarus Pit) and in doing so (and casting a great actor to play Ra's), it made something that could have been nonsensical into something that made sense, fit the tone and added something to the movie. The stuff they dropped was all stuff that would have added more runtime without adding story that mattered too. In fact if I'm being honest, as a Jason fan, I kind of wish the movie version was the comic version cause now it feels like the original comic version has "padding" that drags a bit when I go back to it even though that's probably not true.
Also, I really enjoyed Jensen Ackles as Jason and Bruce Greenwood as Robin. I can still hear Jason saying "Doing it because - because he took me away from you" when he explains why he's upset that Bruce didn't kill Joker, and Bruce at the end going "This doesn't change anything. It doesn't change anything at all." I would easily put this movie on the same level as the best of the BTAS or JLU episodes.
I loved this movie when it came out, when I was still in my 'oh wait, there's more than one Robin?' phase. I still love it. The writing is incredible. The gut punches hurt. But. Now that I am fully down the rabbit hole and have been for a while, I feel like this movie could have been Even More if Tim Drake was Robin here. It would have added another 45 minutes but I think it would have added another layer to Jason's character. He's doing this because Bats never avenged him but he also replaced him. And I am greedy.
i would really recommend holy musical b@man it is a great piece of batman media beyond the musical aspect.
The HBO MAX version is also the version sold digitally.
Third best batman movie ever made
Best batman film of all time for me
So if Batman were to fail to save Jason again would he become another Joker?
If he pulled that trigger on Joker he would become another Joker
For criminals knowing the first Robin became Nightwing, my understanding was always that after the initial falling out between Bruce and Dick, Dick just kind of left to do his own crime fighting in Bloodhaven and kind of just was Robin there for a short time until his persona evolved into Nightwing as he grows as a young man and hero. The criminals who know of Batman and Robin would obviously notice Robins departure from Gotham to the nearby Bloodhaven without the Bat himself tagging along and common sense would lead them to assume Robin in fact became Nightwing as there aren't exactly that many heroes there, along with a new and younger Robin showing up at Batmans side back in Gotham. Granted this is simply conjecture as I'm no comics expert, but this is all to my understanding of the basics of Dick Graysons journey from Robin to Nightwing. I could be wrong and admittetly some of this is colored by the Teen Titans/Young Justice stories/shows.
The difference between live action and animation and had much more impact when it comes to red hood. In Titans (which I’m probably one of the only people who actually kind of loved the show despite the inaccuracies) Jason Todd is around 19 and in the comics and animation he is much younger when he dies. He’s still a kid which makes it so much darker and sad to experience his death. When you have a robin who is 16 at most die it’s much more impactful cause Bruce essentially became his father very early in his life so he’s responsible for showing and explaining various aspects of life. Your brain isn’t fully developed yet so Batman had the responsibility to parent him the right way making him directly responsible for the way he acts at least partly. That’s what makes his eventual death more tragic and Bruce’s guilt that much more understandable. In Titans he’s 19 so he’s had 18 years of life experience. Sure bruce took him in but he was almost an Adult anyways. With Dick in Titans Bruce adopted him much earlier and making Bruce the person that made Dick the way he is. I heard some people say that Jason sucked in Titans especially pre red hood but I think that was the point. Jason was never a great robin in the comics and anywhere else. He was always jealous of how Bruce favored Dick and way too cocky. I think Titans nailed that aspect of Jason. Jason as Robin was a failure and always meant to be a cautionary tale for Batman. Jason is meant to be Red Hood and when he is Red Hood that is his true self.
usually people figure out who nightwing and the others are through how old they are, and sometimes robin is in blüdhaven before ever becoming nightwing. it also feels like they wanted to get rid of nightwing because he was out of the story around the same time, but realized they didn’t have anything, but i feel like what was used was fine as he was also used as a way to see how cold and separated batman became with him being quick to leave everyone behind to stay a step ahead so no one has the risk of dying aside from him. even though dick is competent and helpful, bruce didn’t want him involved because of jason.
He looks like joker crossed with frankenstein
Joker reminds me of Al Pacino or something.
Rosie O’Donnell as robin in Batman and robin is the best robin hands down damnit
Feel free to call me an idiot for this, but I always get confused by where R'as Al-Ghul stands. I don't believe I've seen a consistent portrayal of the League of Shadows' leader.
Edit: I also forgot to clarify that I know next to nothing outside of the DCAU films (The Flashpoint Paradox AU, to clarify).
Yeah, he's kind of all over the place.
I definitely agree but i think it was used to show his respect towards batman and his family although they had different views on how to stop crime he respects batman
second. best robin movie
The first best is obviously Batman and Robin.
@@creedecriswell634greatest superhero movie of all time damnit nothing tops George Clooney as Batman/Bruce Wayne and Rosie O’Donnell as his robin
@@Mr.Suavehouse Such great dialogue “What killed the dinosaurs?! The ice age!!
True cinema
@@creedecriswell634 not to mention James Nolan bane couldn’t hold a candle to bane in that movie and Arnold as mister freeze was pure gold
@@Mr.Suavehouse Ya know Arnold really wasn't bad casting. I enjoyed him a lot in the movie
I love Jensen Ackles. I think he would make a great Superman.
I guess everyone know is a new robin everytime because they grow up?
I always thought Nightwing's akwarness was to show how hard is he trying to show and feel that he is Batman's equal now, he wants to be treated with more respect but Batman just don't care
People figure out that there are multiple robins and what personas they take after the role because they understand that kids don't stay kids forever. No one is thirteen for six years straight. So when a new robin shows up and a new hero with the same voice, appearance, personality, and fighting style of the old robin shows up, people put two and two together because they have common sense. Some of us don't make that connection because time in the real world doesn't pass the same as it does in comic books. I mean hell a string of five days in comics can last up to three years worth of comics. Just look at the Dressrosa arc in One Piece. All that went down in like one day but lasted five or so years for us in the real world. So for us there is a disconnect that in-universe characters don't have.
Yeah I agree of course they would figure out after years passing he replaced the old robin
Apparently dick Grayson's fighting style is so recognizable that most supervillains can tell who he is. For example in the Comics after battle for the cowl Two-Face watching a video of Batman (which was Dick Grayson at the time) fight and just watching the fight he deduced it was Dick Grayson.
that death in the family movie is the future of movies after theaters become obsolete. It wouldn't be smart to open new theaters and just let the ones that are open fade and close.
In about 4 generations the fidelity of reality and stuff like unreal engine will be no different so actors doing voice work or licensing their likeness a and AI voice to do computer animated features will save money and having a standard narrative by the filmmakers and a choose your own adventure for the kids
Mask or no mask Robin looks the exact same when he turns into Nightwing because he's already a full grown adult I mean for fuck's sake Robin becomes a little kid again while this other hero who fights just like the old Robin shows up in teams up and seems to have a history with Batman it's not exactly hard to put two and two together and everyone knows the second Robin died because Robin hasn't been seen in a while and there's no third Robin I mean hell I even knew when I was a tiny child that Nightwing was the first Robin because he looks like Robin and that was before I learned their names
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1. We’ll figuring out the Robins are different ppl isn’t that hard Actually ! For Example ! Batman & Robin been kicking these criminals ass like Joker 2 Face penguin etc for years right at some point it’s like hey 12 years ago him & this 13 year old kid was breaking in our wear houses and meetings beating us up & locking us up well now he has another 13 yr old kid 10 or 12 yrs later there’s no way in hell he’s the same Kid. Well that kid gotta be grown now. Well now he runs with an adult man blue black tights he must’ve been that kid back then ! This new kid must be somebody Different ! Clearly It Becomes Common Sense After Awhile ! That’s how they figure it out eventually!
2. This is a little more important ! In the comics or movies etc. Some ppl figure out Bruce is Batman well once they figure that out then figuring out Dick is Robin/Nightwing is easy AF. I mean like hey didn’t Bruce adopt that kid whose parents died in the circus years ago ! Yea that’s him Dick Grayson the age match that guy in the blue & black bird suit Nightwing right ! It’s Obvious !
Now as for everyone else it’s not that Obvious. If u look up Bruce public records well Jason died so you won’t think he’s Red Hood. On public records Barbra has a Father Jim Gordon so she won’t be associated with Bruce either. Same with Tim Drake cause he also had parents I’m not saying u can’t figure them out I’m just saying u have to the ground work yourself cause theirs won’t be as Obvious !
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I like how this movie kinda of took the ‘No Kill Rule’ of Batman and played around with it.
Batman doesn’t kill,But that lead to Jason dying.
Batman doesn’t kill,But he Still trues to save Jason…who became a murderer
Batman didn’t killed the Joker but He fantasizes about it
Batman Doesn’t Kill But when he is given the choice of either Saving the Joker by Killing Jason or Let the Joker die.Bruce immeadiatly threw the Joker under the bus and Left him for dead by jasons hand.
I think that by not breaking but playing atound woth the consept imade the movie that much more interesting than Batman just Whining for Jason to not kill People(Well…He kinda of did but still)
And just Save the Joker for no explainable reason.
I wish i could experience the Death in the Family movie with the choose your own adventure option. Max doesnt do that, and it ruins it as a film. UTRH was ideal
Just buy the blu ray then
Bruce Greenwood does muuuuuuuch better in 'Young Justice'...he's my #2 Batvoice behind Kevin
to admit it is weird that some random thug knows that nightwing used to be robin but i took it that word travels fast in gotham and if a robin they got beat up by for years got a new haircut and voice they would suspect somethings up and when night wing shows up with the same voice and haircut and the robin looks younger then when they last saw him theyed put it together that robin is a mantel like aint no one beliveing that damian is the same person as grayson the thugs and the rogues would deffinentley spott that the new robin is a different race age and CARRYS A SWORD!
I always loved jason cuz he reminds me of me obviously i didnt get scooped up by a rich unstable billionaire tho
Not related to this video but i just saw a tv show on tv thats based on batman. Its called BatWheels its basicly CarsXBatman. Could you maby do a video on that for once? I dont want to say too mutch but i personaly think its even worse then gotham knights. The caracters are nowhere near acurate. And i just saw the christmass episode and the batgirl car im asuming suposed to be barbera said she was horrible with computers and that she couldnt read maps... if that says anything about how inacurate the show is. Like i get its a tv show characters like Jason and damien cant be fully acurate but barbera being bad with computers? why, why make a show thats acying like it wants to be related to batman and then change sutch important character things.
When dick became nightwing he was 18 and jason became robin at around 13
The movie is great but the voice of Joker feels out of place.
I personally love the performance
You said tditf is like the telltale game man it’s better because you can actually change the over all outcome instead of character traits
Dude….. conroy …..
Batman did not have sexual relationships with batgirl! That's definitely not canon!
Under the Red Hood was a big part of my childhood