I bought this 2 weeks ago with 175 $ open box. In Romania, where are made. I like them very much with black pads, I Have also sundara and hexa…for me this 3 headphones are all I need. What a can say is that sound is subjective…give them a tray before dismiss them.
Thank you for your review, I was honestly not expecting much from the HD490 Pro and you just confirmed it. The HD600/650/6XX can't be replaced by anything for the price they are offered at, and still remain the headphone legends.
I walked into a local audio shop to try and buy this. Got distracted by a pair of fiio ft1. I walked away with the fiio instead. It was rather noisy in the shop and I wasn't wow'ed right away by the h490 pro. The fiio's look caught me off guard, and it sounds quite good for the money and for a close back in general. Would love your review on it as well. I have been using iems for the past two years. EM6L, EA500LM, Davinci, Supermix 4, Medusa.
I know this doesn’t have anything to do with this headphone but why are iems wiping the floor with over ear headphones and closed backs when it comes to clarity? I’m finding cheaper iems sound significantly more detailed for the same price.
Because they don't interact with the pinna and hrtf as much, they're also a much more minimum phase device which allows for smoother treble reproduction, the overall tonality still needs worked on for most iems. But it's getting there
@@CammyFi ive preferred IEM's for awhile now as i have found in the past that i used to get frequent ear infections when wearing over ear earphones as my ears always stayed way too warm but even with that being the case, i was considering buying some reasonably high-end earphones for the sake of much improved sound compared with my current Sennheiser IE600 and Meze Audio Rai Penta IEM's. The comfort of the IE600's are seriously comfortable but they have connection issues with the cables and the Rai Penta sound better but both lack bass to me. Assuming the same value, say $1,000 USD, are IEM's generally better than similarly priced overear earphones?
the only, unpaid, honest review I guess Whenever I switched from 490PRO to Hifiman XS or 560S I felt like blanket was gone, even though XS is quite dark/flat (not as punchy as 560). 490s is muddy and at the same time can be harsh on vocals, not bright, just unnatural sounding. It is easier to separate instruments on 600 or 560, except bass and low mids. Acoustic guitars sound fuller on 490, but bit too soft again, so fresh strings sparkle is missing compared to 600 or 560s (560s is too thin sometimes) The nice part part about 490 is actually the low mid part -drums have proper body compared to 560S/XS, but it is hard to control that area and make it less muddy and still have this low mid advantage, I get better results by boosting 560s than trying to make 490 tighter and natural. Also low-mid texture/clarity of is very nice on 490, I miss this quite a lot in other headphones. And the comment about being nasal. In songs it may not be that much noticeable, but in videos like spatial barberbshop or in gaming with narrative voice (like RTS games with some story) you can tell 560s/600 are more natural, brighter sounding, less nasal, how it is possible "PRO" reviewers are not mentioning this for supposedly "PRO" level headphones?
Note about the MIX SE software these headphones come with, I tested it for about 4 hours and honestly it's not impressive, localisation somehow seemed worse and the headphone compensation seemed to be detrimental to the sound... I personally wouldn't use gimmicks like this for professional work. Use it more as a fun toy.
Maybe it'd be cool if they included a small USB gyroscope. You can clip onto the headphones, but no, to do any of that you need to wear a full blown VR Headset. Imagine rocking up to the studio with one of those..
Hi,ThanX! To remove nasality even on mixing pads. Just lift the headphones up a few centimeters or place something under the rim. Perhaps it’s the characteristics of my hearing or the shape of my head :) This effect is clearly observed on the tracks of Brian Johnson's collection “Brian Johnson & Geordie - Keep On Rocking”.
Cammy, I'd really like to know how you'd compare the HD490 Pro with Beyer DT 1990 Pro. Maybe a dedicated video comparison on these two pairs since they are the flagship studio offerings from their respective German companies.
I had a pair of 1990s, couldn't listen to them for more than 10 minutes, the upper treble is more vexatious than even the DT990. They dropped the ball with the 1990. The 900 Pro X is probably their best headphone.
@@CammyFi Wow. The DT 1990 Pro seems to be the dark, wild horse of headphones - people either love or hate it; there is no in-between with this pair of headphones. Haha! Considering the review, between the DT 900 Pro X and HD490 Pro, which one do you prefer for the overall sound quality - imaging, separation, and clarity?
@@CammyFi So, the overall sound quality of hd490 pro is better than that of the dt 900 pro x. I recently got the dt 770 pro x le as my main closed-back headphones. And, seeing I don't have a problem with treble on the 770 pro x le, I thought I may also not have a problem with the treble on the dt 1990 pro. But, I hear people saying that treble is worse on the dt 1990 pro compared to any other Beyer they've tried. Now, I'm looking for a good pair of open-backs, and I don't have access to any of the mentioned models for a test prior to purchase. So, it's become a connudrum. Thanks for the replies, man.
It seems like this is not that much different than the 560S. Out of curiosity, what do you think of the HD 800 S? It seems like a love it or hate it headphone. It seems like the only actual Sennheiser produced upgrade to the 600/650(The 660S2 isn't much of a jump from them in my opinion)
@@CammyFi Thanks for the response. Yeah, it's fair enough to say that neither are worth the price they sell at. Especially when you can get something like the Arya Stealth for so cheap these days.
I was expecting there to be some step up in sonic performance from 600 series. On the sidenote 490, 560s or 900 pro x purely for detail retrieval and suckh?
Detail isn't really quantifiable anyway, however I do think the presentation of the 490 Pro and to an extent the 560s and DT900 Pro X is really smoothed over
have you heard DT 900 Pro X? how does it compare? (that is what I am using and like them, though I had wondered about these and the sony MV-1 and Ollo headphones, too). That said, I think that mixing/mastering headphones should be reviewed for their intended purpose
I agree! But a lot of interest was put forward from the audiophile community also for these, which is what this channel is about and somewhat tailored to. So I kept it short and to the point (although I do work professionally). I've had a pair of DT900 Pro X and DT700 Pro X, and I only kept one, which is the DT700 Pro X, because of its absolutely amazing passive isolation. However, I feel like as an overall product, the DT900 Pro X compared to the 490 Pros feels a little more refined, it had a nice boost to the upper treble (Analytical illusion of more detail) yet not as abrasive as the DT990 and the bass extension is almost perfectly linear. The response overall is pretty decent apart from a 4k dip. However, a common thing I noticed between the 490 Pro and DT900 Pro X is the kind of limpness and compression to the bass and overall sound. Which was understandable for the beyer as it had a quite thick layer of damping over the front baffle. But I'm not sure with the sennys what causes that.
@@CammyFi Is the limpness and compression in the bass in the DT 700 too? (Same driver) It might be that 900 is open-back, with a more linear bass, rather than a bass hump and lower mid dip.
@msd5808 Yes! The DT700 Pro X also has this. But it's more acceptable and forgivable as they're a closed back with also pretty acceptable tuning, which is hard to come by, really, especially with this build and level of isolation.
Well, ime the HD600 (new version/SS) tends to be a bit too shouty/fatiguing and lacks sub-bass extension for most of my music library. The comfort and the fact that pad wear changes the sound too much are aspects that I find really annoying. Can't you make the 490 Pro sing with a little EQ to follow the Harman 2018 or 5128 DF 10dB tilt? The tuning is almost there anyway. I know a lot of people who buy the HD800s and HD560s to use them as an EQ platform but the 560s comfort is also not good for my head shape. Would you recommend the 490 Pro if I'm willing to EQ and want an overall upgrade in comfort compared to the HD600?
@subbybass1432 It supports the top of your head better and also takes a bit of stress off the pads, I've been using one for about a year, and it's absolutely life changing.
Nice relaxing review. I'm curious if you tried the Beyerdynamic TYGR 300 R as I own one, I like their fun bassy sound, but the comfort for my long gaming/youtube marathons is just isn't there, they are simply aren't deep enough. If you did, could you please give a quick comparison between the two in terms of sound? Thanks again.
HD600 is still the king. All they have to do is update hd600 to have some more sub bass. Closest thing we have is hd660s2. Which I think people are a bit harsh on and surprisingly underrated.
What do you think about the HD660s2? Not for professional use but for music enjoyment and gaming. And how do these compare to those? Because some people also hate the HD660s2. I think it's a preference thing. I bought them a few months ago for 200$ off, and liked them a lot but returned recently since the HD490 Pro released and the return window was closing. I can still get them in the next discount if I buy and do not like the HD490 Pro. What attracted me was the new design after 20+ years, one sided cable, headband, swivel, etc. And I really like bass (although it is very decent in HD660s2 as well). Both are good for gaming with good imaging, which I heard is not good with HD600 or HD650/HD6XX. (HD660s2 is the only audiophile headphone I used btw, but I did a crazy amount of audiophile research (reviews, sound demos, graphs, technical stuff, etc.) for weeks before buying)
please calm down the 490pro and hd660s2 are absolutely bad for gaming. very intimate soundstage and very dull sounding, like its a piece of paper infront of the speakers. If you want something for "gaming" buy a beyerdynamic. Sennheiser just released 2 bad headphones with the 490pro and 660s2 and people are trying to defend them because of sennheisers reputation and with stuff like "its all subjective". bro no even a good company like sennheiser can make mistakes and drop bad headphones, noone is perfect. If you want something really good in that price range, buy a hifiman edition xs.
Edition XS with like a -4dB treble shelf is pretty okay, even better when you put a capra headband strap on it cos hifimans pool noodle pleather headbands are awful 🥶
@@eiskalterorangensaft you are absolutely wrong. Have you tried the HD660s2? "very dull sounding" no it's not dull sounding at all. I don't want crappy Beyerdynamic treble. Look at the forums and watch some reviews before talking. Soundstaging is more like an extra. It's kind of an illusion created by the headphones making the speakers sound external. What you need it imaging, and it is far better on the HD660s2 than any other HD6x0 models. HD490 has better soundstage apparently so that is why I am curious. Plus, nobody recommends the Edition XS for gaming. Planar magnetics are very different. They have their own pros and cons. Also, the Edition XS leaks sounds as it there is a speaker in the room. It leaks as much as you are hearing it. Look at Rtings for technical stuff like measurements of driver matching and soundstage. Don't rely on them for subjective stuff of course, but they are pretty good for measurements of certain stuff. Some people may not like the HD660s2, but you saying those things about the sound is just wrong.
@@CammyFi I am not interested in Planar magnetics right now. I heard that the Edition XS and Sundara's sound very good though. I have to try the HD490 pro to hear the treble. It doesn't look as smooth in the graphs (kind of like HD560s), so that is why you probably find it sounding like coming from frosted glass (compared to HD600). HD560s and 490 both look good with everything other than the treble accuracy. I think HD560s is almost harman, but the weird wiggle in treble makes it not as good as HD6x0 line.
Soundstage isn't really a priority I set for headphones however the 490 Pros with either pads sounds slightly wider than HD600 and comparable to the 560s. It does also heavily depend on your own HRTF. So you should really try them yourself to figure this out.
Sennheiser hasn't made anything truly superior to HD600 and I think we shouldn't expect them to. Good remains good. They still could improve price to performance etc instead of the opposite. Maybe they're manufacturing costs are no longer tenable to compete.
Great review :-) Kinda dissapointing :/ Already the usage of the HD560S driver would be a huge a downer at this price... Well good I watched your review, definitively would be a waste of money for me. A bit strange though, that even after they separated the consumer department, both keep creating kinda meh products in their respective fields.
Anyway makes no sense since Neumann is owned (at least 50%) by Sennheiser Pro. Both have also differenr targets, the Neumann NDH-30 were designed to exactly sound like their monitors. Overall I think the review is fair but I see it also too negative. The 490 Pro are worse than the 600 for the reasons mentioned in that video. But definetly a huge upgrade to the 560S. At that point I absolutely disagree
You gotta factor in the price difference. The 490 Pro's are a little over double the price of the HD560S, yet only slightly better in some minor regards. I'm not the type to actively make up positive things to sweeten or sugarcoat things, I like to just put it how I see it.
@@bastianschuler2408 I had this headphone for a week and irs absolutely not worth the price, on my head it was also way too bright, hd560s isnpeaky in the treble but it is overall just a better headphone than the 490, hd560s just sounds more normal, hd600 is quite a lot better than this new 490
I believe it's unfair to compare the current prices to the discounted prices of older models. However, as I mentioned, there's a significant difference for me between 560 and 490, though the difference is less pronounced when comparing it to 600. It took me only a few minutes to make a decision regarding the 560S, but I spent hours listening and comparing it to the 600 before concluding, as you mentioned, that the timbre and overall performance of the 600 are superior. Nonetheless, I recognize the 490's advantage for mixing purposes, as advertised, in "finding the blind spots." I think your critique of the 490 is overly negative, and it would be beneficial to highlight specific songs for comparison to substantiate your points, as I believe you're making a valid argument but are too harsh in your judgment.
Muddy bass and recessed vocals? No. I got these last night. You're absolutely wrong about both. The vocals are forward, and the bass is decent but lacks oomf. I immediately stopped the video when you spouted this nonsense.
HD600, The HD660S2 has some irregularities and quirks somewhat unsuitable for this purpose. However, you could just keep the hd560s if it's working out okay for you
Sennheiser is a company going DOWN HILL FAST with their releases I’m not sure what their thinking their making all of their headphone way more customer oriented not audiophile In my observations the majority of term are easily outclassed by other brands. I had high hopes for the Sennheiser momentum 4’s and they only sound SLIGHTLY GOOD but nothing special the ie200 was positively MEH to me even know the glowing reviews about it I felt like it lacked clarity sound stage with and depth everything felt closed in I know it’s an iem but I’ve heard cheaper ones sound better in comparison the S2 edition didn’t feel like a big enough upgrade from Gen 1 I’m really wondering what they’ll release to get audiophiles back in their good graces the ie600 was a great addition but honestly nothing really else has peaked any curiosity or interest for me and I’m sure many other people feel the same way lately.
Thanks for the review! It was nice to see someone else's take on these.
I bought this 2 weeks ago with 175 $ open box. In Romania, where are made. I like them very much with black pads, I Have also sundara and hexa…for me this 3 headphones are all I need. What a can say is that sound is subjective…give them a tray before dismiss them.
was looking at your measurements this morning than saw your post on youtube to my surprise!
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for your review, I was honestly not expecting much from the HD490 Pro and you just confirmed it. The HD600/650/6XX can't be replaced by anything for the price they are offered at, and still remain the headphone legends.
These look pretty cool
What's with the amazing video editing? Very cool. Another super informative video.
Thank you very much, Lord of HiFi, I burnt these in with Diane Bish for 600 hours+
Great review! They look very good! 😄
I walked into a local audio shop to try and buy this. Got distracted by a pair of fiio ft1. I walked away with the fiio instead. It was rather noisy in the shop and I wasn't wow'ed right away by the h490 pro. The fiio's look caught me off guard, and it sounds quite good for the money and for a close back in general. Would love your review on it as well. I have been using iems for the past two years. EM6L, EA500LM, Davinci, Supermix 4, Medusa.
I know this doesn’t have anything to do with this headphone but why are iems wiping the floor with over ear headphones and closed backs when it comes to clarity? I’m finding cheaper iems sound significantly more detailed for the same price.
Because they don't interact with the pinna and hrtf as much, they're also a much more minimum phase device which allows for smoother treble reproduction, the overall tonality still needs worked on for most iems. But it's getting there
@@CammyFi ive preferred IEM's for awhile now as i have found in the past that i used to get frequent ear infections when wearing over ear earphones as my ears always stayed way too warm but even with that being the case, i was considering buying some reasonably high-end earphones for the sake of much improved sound compared with my current Sennheiser IE600 and Meze Audio Rai Penta IEM's. The comfort of the IE600's are seriously comfortable but they have connection issues with the cables and the Rai Penta sound better but both lack bass to me. Assuming the same value, say $1,000 USD, are IEM's generally better than similarly priced overear earphones?
Which IEMs? I haven't found that to be the case really. You just need to find better tuned over ears.
Great review! A quick question please. Does it use 3-pin or 4pin mini XLR connector?
4 pin
@@CammyFi Thanks! Can I also ask you which amp you used?
Apple Dongle, Abigail Pro, XP-2 Bal, Zen Can Signature, Magni Heresy, iDSD Nano Black Label
@@CammyFi Thanks a lot for the response!
the only, unpaid, honest review I guess
Whenever I switched from 490PRO to Hifiman XS or 560S I felt like blanket was gone, even though XS is quite dark/flat (not as punchy as 560).
490s is muddy and at the same time can be harsh on vocals, not bright, just unnatural sounding. It is easier to separate instruments on 600 or 560, except bass and low mids.
Acoustic guitars sound fuller on 490, but bit too soft again, so fresh strings sparkle is missing compared to 600 or 560s (560s is too thin sometimes)
The nice part part about 490 is actually the low mid part -drums have proper body compared to 560S/XS, but it is hard to control that area and make it less muddy and still have this low mid advantage, I get better results by boosting 560s than trying to make 490 tighter and natural. Also low-mid texture/clarity of is very nice on 490, I miss this quite a lot in other headphones.
And the comment about being nasal. In songs it may not be that much noticeable, but in videos like spatial barberbshop or in gaming with narrative voice (like RTS games with some story) you can tell 560s/600 are more natural, brighter sounding, less nasal, how it is possible "PRO" reviewers are not mentioning this for supposedly "PRO" level headphones?
Note about the MIX SE software these headphones come with, I tested it for about 4 hours and honestly it's not impressive, localisation somehow seemed worse and the headphone compensation seemed to be detrimental to the sound... I personally wouldn't use gimmicks like this for professional work. Use it more as a fun toy.
AGREE
I’m hoping Sonarworks will add these to their headphone roster soon. Their software works better imo
So just like Audeze's Reveal+ but it doesn't cost 200$
Maybe it'd be cool if they included a small USB gyroscope. You can clip onto the headphones, but no, to do any of that you need to wear a full blown VR Headset. Imagine rocking up to the studio with one of those..
Realphones 2.0 is much better for this
Hi,ThanX!
To remove nasality even on mixing pads.
Just lift the headphones up a few centimeters or place something under the rim.
Perhaps it’s the characteristics of my hearing or the shape of my head :)
This effect is clearly observed on the tracks of Brian Johnson's collection “Brian Johnson & Geordie - Keep On Rocking”.
Cammy, I'd really like to know how you'd compare the HD490 Pro with Beyer DT 1990 Pro. Maybe a dedicated video comparison on these two pairs since they are the flagship studio offerings from their respective German companies.
I had a pair of 1990s, couldn't listen to them for more than 10 minutes, the upper treble is more vexatious than even the DT990. They dropped the ball with the 1990. The 900 Pro X is probably their best headphone.
@@CammyFi Wow. The DT 1990 Pro seems to be the dark, wild horse of headphones - people either love or hate it; there is no in-between with this pair of headphones. Haha!
Considering the review, between the DT 900 Pro X and HD490 Pro, which one do you prefer for the overall sound quality - imaging, separation, and clarity?
@@carolinian-reaper The 490 Pro probably
@@CammyFi So, the overall sound quality of hd490 pro is better than that of the dt 900 pro x.
I recently got the dt 770 pro x le as my main closed-back headphones. And, seeing I don't have a problem with treble on the 770 pro x le, I thought I may also not have a problem with the treble on the dt 1990 pro. But, I hear people saying that treble is worse on the dt 1990 pro compared to any other Beyer they've tried.
Now, I'm looking for a good pair of open-backs, and I don't have access to any of the mentioned models for a test prior to purchase. So, it's become a connudrum.
Thanks for the replies, man.
Great review, Thank you!
Wonder how they sound compared to my HD700
It seems like this is not that much different than the 560S.
Out of curiosity, what do you think of the HD 800 S? It seems like a love it or hate it headphone.
It seems like the only actual Sennheiser produced upgrade to the 600/650(The 660S2 isn't much of a jump from them in my opinion)
@@HeebieGenie The 660S2 is more of a sunk cost money grab than anything
@HeebieGenie Also 800s is fine but definitely not worth the money. God tier comfort atleast
@@CammyFi Thanks for the response. Yeah, it's fair enough to say that neither are worth the price they sell at. Especially when you can get something like the Arya Stealth for so cheap these days.
I was expecting there to be some step up in sonic performance from 600 series.
On the sidenote 490, 560s or 900 pro x purely for detail retrieval and suckh?
You should probably try them yourself as treble response is pretty personal
@@CammyFi if I could I wouldn't ask you 😋
You shouldn't trust me for the same reason you shouldn't trust anyone but yourself
Detail isn't really quantifiable anyway, however I do think the presentation of the 490 Pro and to an extent the 560s and DT900 Pro X is really smoothed over
Seems like it's priced like an HD400 Pro, but there won't be the HD560s variant for a more reasonable price.
have you heard DT 900 Pro X? how does it compare? (that is what I am using and like them, though I had wondered about these and the sony MV-1 and Ollo headphones, too). That said, I think that mixing/mastering headphones should be reviewed for their intended purpose
I agree! But a lot of interest was put forward from the audiophile community also for these, which is what this channel is about and somewhat tailored to. So I kept it short and to the point (although I do work professionally).
I've had a pair of DT900 Pro X and DT700 Pro X, and I only kept one, which is the DT700 Pro X, because of its absolutely amazing passive isolation.
However, I feel like as an overall product, the DT900 Pro X compared to the 490 Pros feels a little more refined, it had a nice boost to the upper treble (Analytical illusion of more detail) yet not as abrasive as the DT990 and the bass extension is almost perfectly linear.
The response overall is pretty decent apart from a 4k dip. However, a common thing I noticed between the 490 Pro and DT900 Pro X is the kind of limpness and compression to the bass and overall sound. Which was understandable for the beyer as it had a quite thick layer of damping over the front baffle. But I'm not sure with the sennys what causes that.
@@CammyFi Is the limpness and compression in the bass in the DT 700 too? (Same driver) It might be that 900 is open-back, with a more linear bass, rather than a bass hump and lower mid dip.
@msd5808 Yes! The DT700 Pro X also has this. But it's more acceptable and forgivable as they're a closed back with also pretty acceptable tuning, which is hard to come by, really, especially with this build and level of isolation.
Well, ime the HD600 (new version/SS) tends to be a bit too shouty/fatiguing and lacks sub-bass extension for most of my music library. The comfort and the fact that pad wear changes the sound too much are aspects that I find really annoying.
Can't you make the 490 Pro sing with a little EQ to follow the Harman 2018 or 5128 DF 10dB tilt? The tuning is almost there anyway. I know a lot of people who buy the HD800s and HD560s to use them as an EQ platform but the 560s comfort is also not good for my head shape. Would you recommend the 490 Pro if I'm willing to EQ and want an overall upgrade in comfort compared to the HD600?
I still wouldn't say they're worth it tbh, but if you want to, then sure. However, you can also get a headband strap from capra audio for HD 600.
@@CammyFi Thx! I will check them out.
@subbybass1432 It supports the top of your head better and also takes a bit of stress off the pads, I've been using one for about a year, and it's absolutely life changing.
Nice relaxing review.
I'm curious if you tried the Beyerdynamic TYGR 300 R as I own one, I like their fun bassy sound, but the comfort for my long gaming/youtube marathons is just isn't there, they are simply aren't deep enough.
If you did, could you please give a quick comparison between the two in terms of sound? Thanks again.
I think the TYGR 300 isn't much of a downgrade from these in sound. They definitely have more life to them and less limpness to the bass.
@@CammyFi Thanks Cammy, maybe I should then just keep my money and put with up the TYGR shallow pads until the HD 490 Pro go on sale at least :/
HD600 is still the king. All they have to do is update hd600 to have some more sub bass. Closest thing we have is hd660s2. Which I think people are a bit harsh on and surprisingly underrated.
What do you think about the HD660s2? Not for professional use but for music enjoyment and gaming. And how do these compare to those? Because some people also hate the HD660s2. I think it's a preference thing. I bought them a few months ago for 200$ off, and liked them a lot but returned recently since the HD490 Pro released and the return window was closing. I can still get them in the next discount if I buy and do not like the HD490 Pro.
What attracted me was the new design after 20+ years, one sided cable, headband, swivel, etc. And I really like bass (although it is very decent in HD660s2 as well). Both are good for gaming with good imaging, which I heard is not good with HD600 or HD650/HD6XX. (HD660s2 is the only audiophile headphone I used btw, but I did a crazy amount of audiophile research (reviews, sound demos, graphs, technical stuff, etc.) for weeks before buying)
please calm down the 490pro and hd660s2 are absolutely bad for gaming. very intimate soundstage and very dull sounding, like its a piece of paper infront of the speakers. If you want something for "gaming" buy a beyerdynamic. Sennheiser just released 2 bad headphones with the 490pro and 660s2 and people are trying to defend them because of sennheisers reputation and with stuff like "its all subjective". bro no even a good company like sennheiser can make mistakes and drop bad headphones, noone is perfect. If you want something really good in that price range, buy a hifiman edition xs.
Edition XS with like a -4dB treble shelf is pretty okay, even better when you put a capra headband strap on it cos hifimans pool noodle pleather headbands are awful 🥶
@@eiskalterorangensaft you are absolutely wrong. Have you tried the HD660s2? "very dull sounding" no it's not dull sounding at all. I don't want crappy Beyerdynamic treble. Look at the forums and watch some reviews before talking. Soundstaging is more like an extra. It's kind of an illusion created by the headphones making the speakers sound external. What you need it imaging, and it is far better on the HD660s2 than any other HD6x0 models. HD490 has better soundstage apparently so that is why I am curious.
Plus, nobody recommends the Edition XS for gaming. Planar magnetics are very different. They have their own pros and cons. Also, the Edition XS leaks sounds as it there is a speaker in the room. It leaks as much as you are hearing it.
Look at Rtings for technical stuff like measurements of driver matching and soundstage. Don't rely on them for subjective stuff of course, but they are pretty good for measurements of certain stuff.
Some people may not like the HD660s2, but you saying those things about the sound is just wrong.
@@CammyFi I am not interested in Planar magnetics right now. I heard that the Edition XS and Sundara's sound very good though. I have to try the HD490 pro to hear the treble. It doesn't look as smooth in the graphs (kind of like HD560s), so that is why you probably find it sounding like coming from frosted glass (compared to HD600). HD560s and 490 both look good with everything other than the treble accuracy. I think HD560s is almost harman, but the weird wiggle in treble makes it not as good as HD6x0 line.
@tibetkl Edition XS is good sundara is pretty shit. Overly compressed, limp lifeless and resonances everywhere
hi! what about soundstage compare this 490pro with hd560s and 600? wider?
Soundstage isn't really a priority I set for headphones however the 490 Pros with either pads sounds slightly wider than HD600 and comparable to the 560s. It does also heavily depend on your own HRTF. So you should really try them yourself to figure this out.
did you break them in first?
Yes, 150 hours mixed pink noise and musical stimuli
@@CammyFihow much bigger is the soundstage on the 490‘s compared to the 600? and is it slighty narrower than the 560s? in %
@@uhMaxx 14% bigger than HD600 2% bigger than HD560s depending on earpads
@@CammyFi thank you
Sennheiser hasn't made anything truly superior to HD600 and I think we shouldn't expect them to. Good remains good. They still could improve price to performance etc instead of the opposite. Maybe they're manufacturing costs are no longer tenable to compete.
describe the hd490 pro in two words - "hazy, foggy"
HD600 is still goat
Love the Honesty. Good Job 👍
Always!
Great review :-)
Kinda dissapointing :/
Already the usage of the HD560S driver would be a huge a downer at this price...
Well good I watched your review, definitively would be a waste of money for me.
A bit strange though, that even after they separated the consumer department, both keep creating kinda meh products in their respective fields.
Something sounds fishy with his constant criticisms. Not sure I trust he isn't biased for some reason or even being paid by Neumann.
I wouldn't accept money from anyone even if they offered $10,000 for me to shill garbage 😂
Anyway makes no sense since Neumann is owned (at least 50%) by Sennheiser Pro.
Both have also differenr targets, the Neumann NDH-30 were designed to exactly sound like their monitors.
Overall I think the review is fair but I see it also too negative. The 490 Pro are worse than the 600 for the reasons mentioned in that video. But definetly a huge upgrade to the 560S. At that point I absolutely disagree
You gotta factor in the price difference. The 490 Pro's are a little over double the price of the HD560S, yet only slightly better in some minor regards.
I'm not the type to actively make up positive things to sweeten or sugarcoat things, I like to just put it how I see it.
@@bastianschuler2408 I had this headphone for a week and irs absolutely not worth the price, on my head it was also way too bright, hd560s isnpeaky in the treble but it is overall just a better headphone than the 490, hd560s just sounds more normal, hd600 is quite a lot better than this new 490
I believe it's unfair to compare the current prices to the discounted prices of older models. However, as I mentioned, there's a significant difference for me between 560 and 490, though the difference is less pronounced when comparing it to 600. It took me only a few minutes to make a decision regarding the 560S, but I spent hours listening and comparing it to the 600 before concluding, as you mentioned, that the timbre and overall performance of the 600 are superior. Nonetheless, I recognize the 490's advantage for mixing purposes, as advertised, in "finding the blind spots." I think your critique of the 490 is overly negative, and it would be beneficial to highlight specific songs for comparison to substantiate your points, as I believe you're making a valid argument but are too harsh in your judgment.
Amazing video handsome! You're gonna become the next Joshua Valour!
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Muddy bass and recessed vocals? No. I got these last night. You're absolutely wrong about both. The vocals are forward, and the bass is decent but lacks oomf. I immediately stopped the video when you spouted this nonsense.
You do realise I was specifically talking about the producer pads (Velour ones)
It's all relative, compared to the graph it definitely looked that way atleast.
Some might call it "Thick" I think it's muddy
@Drewsterman777 How are you liking the headphones now?
I bought them and I disagree with what he said lol 😂
HD600 > HD490 Pro Plus?
@@tuententertainment yes shareer
@@tuententertainment just buy cosmo and ep100a and quit
would you reccomment upgrading to hd600 or hd660s2 from hd560s for mix & mastering
HD600, The HD660S2 has some irregularities and quirks somewhat unsuitable for this purpose. However, you could just keep the hd560s if it's working out okay for you
@@CammyFi thanks for the quick response!
This is made for the General Consumer, so you can skip the measurements 😂
Sennheiser is a company going DOWN HILL FAST with their releases I’m not sure what their thinking their making all of their headphone way more customer oriented not audiophile In my observations the majority of term are easily outclassed by other brands. I had high hopes for the Sennheiser momentum 4’s and they only sound SLIGHTLY GOOD but nothing special the ie200 was positively MEH to me even know the glowing reviews about it I felt like it lacked clarity sound stage with and depth everything felt closed in I know it’s an iem but I’ve heard cheaper ones sound better in comparison the S2 edition didn’t feel like a big enough upgrade from Gen 1 I’m really wondering what they’ll release to get audiophiles back in their good graces the ie600 was a great addition but honestly nothing really else has peaked any curiosity or interest for me and I’m sure many other people feel the same way lately.
They must still be making a shit ton of money with their new meh products. If there's no incentive for innovation, why would they bother 😭
their pricing for these seems like a scam, they look cheap and using cheap driver
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