Timothy Treadwell | Grizzly Man | Mental Health & Personality
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- Опубліковано 28 жов 2020
- This video answers the question: Can I discuss the mental health and personality factors that may be at work in the case of Timothy Treadwell? Treadwell was the subject of the documentary “Grizzly Man” released in 2005.
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I spent 5 years studying wolves in Canada. Wolves are way less dangerous and way more timid than bears, but they're still wild animals and you need to respect them. People try to raise them as pets. It always ends with either 1) the wolf spending its life in a tiny pen and/or 2) the wolf getting killed. If you want a close emotional relationship with a non-human being, get a German Shepherd. Leave wildlife alone.
@Epiphany hell no half-wolves are wild as well, don't buy a Tamasken. Just get a god damn dog ffs...
I agree 100% but it reminds me of a story I saw on some show or news, I forget, but a guy found a puppy and brought it home and as it got older living with it was a nightmare so he took it to a vet and they said, that's a wolf. Well he got it placed in a wolf reserve so it ended fairly well.
@@SubPablum It's not like you could breed them over successive generations to be more trainable, and housebroken, and gentle, and easy going and not trash the house and eat the cat....oh wait....we did that 10,000 years ago. :)
Sure, people will always argue there are anecdotal cases of wolves being raised by humans and being “friendly” enough and intelligent enough to learn a number of commands, but a closer inspection shows they are inevitably unruly and difficult to train in a number of important areas because wolves have NOT evolved to defer to humans. They just can’t and don’t respond to us this way. Stick with domesticated pet species. You’re not special!
@@remycallie : Dogs didn't descend from today's wolves. And dogs were domesticated 20,000-35,000 years ago.
Eight of the bears Treadwell had interacted with had to be shot over the next two seasons. He had accustomed them to human presence. They were no longer suitably reticent around humans and they associated humans with being fed. All of the bears that were shot had approached humans in the same way they had been taught by Treadwell to approach him. So in the end, at least ten bears died as a direct result of his interference in their habitat. Not a great achievement for someone who styled himself as a world class conservationist.
Well , that's 10 beautiful rugs , too bad I don't have one .
He was a drug addict his brain was probably fried. Making irrational decisions like camping near a spring where bears feed.
@@soulstarmusiclover1254 I know a lot of addict who are nice , intelligent peoples.
This idiot did belong in a closed psych ward instead of playing the bear whisperer.
😥😥 I din't know that about the bears, that's just very sad
@@Wally-pu2hh ~ Very poor application of your sense of humor ~
That pilots decision to trust his feeling of "something didn't feel right" probably saved his life!
Showed more common sense there than Treadwell did in his entire life
I remember when he was a guest on Letterman. One of the first questions Dave asked was, “is it gonna happen that one day we read a news article about you being eaten by one of these bears?” His response, “ummm, no”. Well, that didn’t age well.
As an Alaskan Native this story was huge following the attacks. I personally knew one of the first responders who listened to the final moments of Treadwell getting eaten alive and was informed that the recording will never be released to the public. It was horrific. Treadwell was well known among our tribes in the region he was visiting for over 10 years...the elders were absolutely appalled and called him “crazy”, they also easily predicted his death would be the outcome of his antics. Humans are not meant to name Grizzly bears in the wild, Mr. Chocolate, and Tubbs..the absolute disrespect for bears and the arrogance of Treadwell is what killed him.
I just want to thank you for your personal story regarding how the native people knew Tim Treadwell. It appears that Treadwell had absolutely no premonition about his pending death. He did not even feel in his gut that he should not leave his tent on that fateful night that he was killed and eaten by a very large Grizzly bear. The elders that you mentioned correctly predicted his death. Treadwell didn't have the sense to leave the park in September and stay out of the way of the foraging bears getting food for the winter. It is sad that he died, that his significant other died, and that they had to kill the big old bear. Since you mentioned that the end recording that he made would never released to the public , I imagine someone released it somewhere. All the best to you.
@@Wise-Lady-La-Aura He did leave, but returned due to "issues with the airline". You're right, though, Sept. is the worst time to be camping on bear trails next to a river in Alaska. That's when the bears will eat just about everything.
@@adrunkgorillawithalobotomy353 - Yes, there were two reasons that he got off the plane and headed back to the Park. 1.) Tim Treadwell claimed that he hadn't said goodbye to one of the female bears that he felt a close connection to. He wanted to head back to the park and say goodbye to that bear. ( Crazy enough of a reason) They were already seated on the plane and bound for California. 2.) He had an altercation/incident with an airline employee after disembarking from the plane. It might have had to do with a refund, but he was a bit upset about something. Before being escorted out of the airport, he and his gf left the airport in a hurry. He was already on the airplane and about to leave for California. For him to suddenly decide to go back to the wilderness to find a certain bear to say goodbye sealed his fate. Also, I am not clear on whether his fatal bear encounter happened at night or during the day. Before I look it up, do you know. Finally, I found the audio out there. Warning: It's gruesome and sad.
It's especially tragic that his girlfriend got killed as well. But careful who you connect yourself too!
@@Wise-Lady-La-Aura there’s an audio of this going around, but it has been debunked by people close to the case, and sound technicians too.
“He had a mistrust for humans, perhaps a bit of mistrust for bears would have been handy”. You nailed that one Doc !
I LOVED THIS COMMENT! 😂😂😂
Rob, not if you’re on potent drugs!
The Bear hurt him less than the humans... The Bear did it quick and without malice... Humans did it against him for years... and with malice
@@marino3974 Oh no, the bear took a while to kill him, there's audio of the incident out there.
Great analogy only thing I think was missing is Timothy thought he could socialize with the bears and there solitary predators by nature. And hes the bear expert supposively. Bears that are still out that late in the fall are definitely desperate to fatten up some more to survive the winter hibernation. He should of known better.
And bears a certain time of year and location can be legally hunted with proper permits and the whole nine, bears dont have any natural predators. The echo system would be overrun and over populated by bears Many rural areas have a bear problem like a pest infestation. So theres an open bear season. Get over it. A bear skin on floor by fireplace is and looks majestic
I know it's insensitive, but the interview with the pilot from the doc that said, "I thought he was retarded or something," hit the nail on the head. No backup gun or bearspray - something even hikers carry as a rule - this was akin to suicide by nature, just sped up.
I actually watched the film Grizzly Man on TV, must have been almost 20 years ago now. It was perfectly obvious from the shrill, manic, repetitive way he spoke and the imagined characters that he cast onto the bears that he was mentally unbalanced and in need of professional help.
@@nobbynoris anyone that doesn't have a disconnected view of the natural world would agree as well. If you listen to the unreleased audio of the fatal attack, they were trying to use frying pans to stave off the attack when he realized things weren't OK anymore. Says a lot
You weren't being insensitive. You were being honest
@@Gibsoncustom89only the women use pans He was on the ground and die slow
@@suzannacoolest5241 that audio is fake. The real one is six minutes long (not two) and his ex-girlfriend Jewel has it locked in a safe. The police didn't make a copy and she never leaked it. She won't even listen to it.
"Sometimes people create relationships in their mind that don't exist."
"What can we learn from this case?"
Leave them damn animals tf alone. 🤦🏾♀️
He lied and said he was from Australia. I think he wanted to be like Steve Irwin but without the hard work and education
Yes.....yes we should. Disney aint real folks.
@Andre Emile she had too much faith/trust in her bf. Sometimes your love for someone can put you in danger. I have too many examples of loved ones putting someone in danger. If you see someone is safe in their lifestyle and never been hurt,, you second guess your judgment on things. Thats normal. You think one thing but see the opposite, you start to change your mind. Or you're like my oldest sister who was always afraid of dogs. She's 40 and still afraid of dogs, no chances taken lol
@@moxiemaxie3543 you have to admit he nailed the getting killed by an animal part
@@moxiemaxie3543 You have a point but I asked myself how did Irwin die?
When this happened, one of the newspapers wrote “Bears were his life; he was their lunch”. I always felt he underplayed the danger to his girlfriend. It ended so horrifically.
Me too, he didn't warn or prepare her for anything, knowing she was a novice.....then called for her help!! That poor woman didn't even know to play dead. A simple set of $5 Bear bells probably would have saved them both AND those innocent bears. Hope no cubs were left behind 😔
@discorperted Right!? just one claw is huge!!!
@Chris Wallace lol gender has nothing to do with it. It was misleading information/ lack of extent of safety needed by the host. See how that works?
@Chris Wallace people who value all life would and do.
@Chris Wallace Is this the Chris Wallace who did rather a poor job as moderator of the first Presidential debate, and then blamed it on everything and everyone else? If it is your comment hardly holds water.
The most baffling thing for us Alaskans was that he professes to be there to protect the bears from hunters yet he was camping and filming in Katmai national Forrest which is by law protected from hunting bears
Maybe poachers.
I think he needed a story in order to get money from people. The money supported him and his trips.
Seems like Timothy exchanged one dangerous addiction for another dangerous addiction. Something was not quite right with him. Love your channel.
Yep, addicts often exchange one addiction for another.
It sounds like he was suicidal, and deep down behind his delusions he knew what could happen but he didn’t care. He had a death wish, and whether that was himself or an animal in his mind it was all the same.
Turns out getting mauled to death by a giant grizzly bear is a hell of a lot worse than a quick bullet to the head.
Who would’ve thought
Some years before his death, Timothy had approached & asked if he could be 'adopted' into the Bear clan of our tribe. When I asked him why, he went on some strange thought that he would somehow have 'special powers' to relate & communicate with the bears. The Elders were skeptical of him and I told him that he wasn't going to be 'adopted' by the Bear clan. He then started calling us every name in the book. I had almost forgotten about him until I saw what happened to him & Amy.
Now that's just embarrassing
So much for him being "respectful".
Sorry to hear that he was such a prick to you guys.
Wow. He was so sick in the head.
narcissistic rage
@@TheCandiceWang Trump won! MAGA get rid of Dementia Joe 🇺🇸
I think he just changed addictions from drugs to bears. Like alot of ppl his addiction killed him.
I think you're right... my sister is a therapist and she says people often just trade one addiction for another.
Totally. I was addicted to alcohol and drugs (3 years in recovery), and my addiction changed to junk food once I stopped using. Now I'm working on the junk food. It's all about filling an empty space in your heart, but it's a space that can only be filled from within.
@@flushthecatnip She's right. I bet she's an amazing therapist too.
makes so much sense... he maybe became addicted to the adrenaline rush of being so close to something dangerous and then just dilluded himself
@@samuelcareen5563 Great job on the recovery!
What I find truly astounding about this man is that, despite his obvious eccentricities, he managed to get several girlfriends AND persuade them to come with him camping in Alaska.
Because he was charismatic, dynamic, very confident and physically attractive, and owned and promoted his own business. It's really not that hard to understand.
And apparently slept in the SAME TENT
Nature...ahhh....finds a way
-jeff goldblum😂
There's always a desperate lady looking for any man she can get!!
@@steveshea6148I think the girls were not the best looking, so they looked past his eccentric and feminized way of talking.
Children are impressionable. My father joined the USAF at age 17, my uncle is a retired Sgt. Major in the Marines, serving in WWII, Korea & Vietnam. My father used to love to take me to John Wayne movies. The western were good, but what we really loved were the War movies. My uncle's favorite film is Full Metal Jacket. You'd think he'd have had enough of war after serving in 3 major conflicts, but he can't get enough of it. What I'm saying is I grew up with these two men as my role models, so, as you can imagine, when I enrolled in school the teachers did not know how to handle my courageous and independent spirit. After spending a lot of Junior high school in the principal's office or on suspension, I finally decided to "go with the flow."
I bring this up, because I read somewhere that Timothy used to make guest appearances at grade schools, where he was presented to the children as a bear expert. Some unleashing of anything he taught them has to be done immediately. I have zero sympathy for Timothy being eaten by a bear because I believe that is what he wanted. He wanted to be remembered as a great naturalist like John Muir, Marlon Perkins or Jacques Cousteau. Just listen to the tape from his own film that he was making. He says: "I will die for these bears!" At least 4 times in a row. A normal people, if they said that at all, would say it once & move on.
This was excellent! I've always found it alarming that people consider Timothy Treadwell a hero or some kind of a great scientist when all he was doing was putting himself and others and the bears in danger.
He's one of those people who treads on the line of madness and stupidity. He was bright in many ways, but delusional. The fact he managed to survive several summers with the bears without being killed is bizarre. He was also a great filmmaker and captured a lot of amazing and irreplaceable footage of the grizzlies.
But he was indeed a very sick man who caused the deaths of innocents, his girlfriend and the bears. Nature is brutal if you don't show Her respect.
@Bird Watcher - hopefully his last interaction will be part of the curriculum.
I never got the impression that people considered him a legit expert, advocate or scientist. I assume the media's attention was more focused on his 'lunatic fringe' appeal than bear champion. I could certainly be wrong.
@@blujaebird And even if you do. She is all about TCB, (Taking Care of Business, for those of you under 45) no matter the cost.
I thought he was an idiot with a deathwish. I kept waiting for him to get his wish.
I read somewhere a park ranger from that area claims Tim's actions actually resulted in the deaths of something like 6 or 7 bears. Several of them had become too comfortable around and lost their natural healthy fear of humans and started approaching people so they had to be put down. Apparently a few of the younger ones had gotten so used to Tim bringing them food they never learned how to properly forage and hunt and didn't survive the winter.
Oh great so he killed 7 to 8 more bears along with the one who ate him. Honestly I hope there is a place of tornament in the afterlife just for him.
@@ktheterkuceder6825 I would say his eventual exit from this world was anything but gentle. If there was a price to be paid for his actions he paid it. RIP to the both of them and also to the majestic creatures, so needlessly wasted lives anyway you look at it.
goddamn it, this pisses me off even if it's not at all surprising. The level of stupidity and arrogance in this guy is legendary at this point. He had to have known he was endangering them by acclimating them to humans. Selfish fuck.
That's exactly why I'm so baffled by the attempt by Grizzly man to make us feel sorry for him.
It's horrendous what happened to him, but he brought it on himself by his own stupidity, and the fact that he got at least 6 blameless and innocent animals killed with his girlfriend - who was there almost entirely because of him - just makes it hard to sympathise much. He's too much of a cautionary tale.
@@ktheterkuceder6825 no need to go that overboard
I live in bear country. I would never assume that a wild bear is safe to be around. They are highly unpredictable. They're majestic creatures. Just make sure you are viewing them from a safe distance.
They're is no safe distance if they decide to take an interest in you and you don't have a safe place to retreat
As I'm sure you know
@@steveshea6148 the only safety against a bear is 10+ rounds of 10mm hollowpoint.
Get a bear dog. I can't remember the breed. It starts with a C or K.
Great breakdown, Doc. When I initially watched the documentary on this it didn’t take me long to realize that this guy was completely unstable. Also, a part of the documentary when the pilot is telling the story of when he went to pick them up was super crazy. That being said, I do have to credit him with obtaining some incredible footage. In particular, watching those two alpha bears go to war on the beach was amazing footage. I would say Timothy Treadwell’s greatest skill was camping. He camped 13 straight summers in a completely hard and unforgiving environment.
true dat
If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough
Agreed. As kooky as he was, he at least was a great cinematographer.
I grow weary of people thinking that only _they_ are special enough to raise and understand the chimp, lion, tiger or bears. I watched this documentary by Herzog a few times and I only felt angry. The only sympathy I felt was for his girlfriend who clearly didn't want to be there.
I think you've covered this quite nicely, doctor. I had a feeling he was narcissistic. I mean, who else would feel so special that they think they're exempt from being eaten by grizzly bears? And then the bears are killed for being bears. 🙄
Thank you Dr Grande. 👍🌹
I always enjoy Herzog s take on things tho....❤
The girlfriend should have bailed out way earlier. Hopefully he did not breed with her and pass his defective genes on to a further generation.
@Chris Wallace I know he said that a lot, but I don't think he actually believed it would happen. At least he had enough sense to say he didn't want the bear to be killed if it ever did happen, but that did little in the end. He definitely had a bit of a superiority complex when it came to his knowledge of bears and overestimated his own ability to handle encounters with them and what's worse he put someone in danger and the fact that she wasn't happy to be extending their stay and didn't really give them much of a choice to leave shows that he wasn't only overconfident, but also a grade-A inconsiderate a**hole. Probably why he didn't have any long term relationships there.
Personal opinion, he sounds like so many nice guys/incels. Delusional, narcissistic, and unable to do any introspective analysis that maybe he could have realized that maybe he was the one with the problems and it ended tragically.
@Chris Wallace Yea, something tells me that he didn't really believe that he would be. Maybe it was the way he asked his girlfriend to help him because he was being eaten. Omg! What a shocker.
It's as if you didn't comprehend a goddamned thing you were watching. You would have been good bait for him. Dumby.
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Jolene Kristovich I learn so much from him. It makes me sound extremely knowledgeable at morning coffee. Little do they know, that I sometimes get the stories mixed up.
@ Jolene Kristovich Amen and well put! Love your name! We named one of our 4 children Jolene because tho I love the song, it made us love the name. She's got a great sense of humor. First day of school she always would sing her name out in those beautiful trills of her lovely singing voice from 7th grade on so she would beat the teachers to the punch ( very ignorant male teachers to assume she had not ever heard the play on the name before!
I love Dr Gs calming logic.
I have thought this, too. ☺️
seriously though!
When i saw Grizzly man as kid, i felt sorry for him, he had quirky personality and loved animals. As an adult, i rewatched it. His tapes showed me more than clearly he is a man who falls deeply into madness of being alone, his addiction never disappeared. He wanted to be loved, to be famous, to have an attention. That's why he attempted to be an actor. It was nothing but a hunt for glory. He did not realize it, he thought he is helping, but they did not even need his help, they needed to be left alone. And about Amy. I really feel sorry for her and Tim is to blame. He already chose his faith, but he decided to drag one more person with him.
Gentleheart , you need to be more hard hearted. She chose to be with this loser lunatic. Nobody put a gun to her head.
You are correct, my thoughts exactly.
Let's not assume that Amie was a passive slave to Treadwell's whims. She was a medical assistant and an intelligent woman. She was quite capable of making her own decisions. Stop acting as if Treadwell dragged her by the hair and forced her to interact with bears.
He wanted to leave his trace
unique trace
he reportedly lost only to Woody Harrelson a role in some bog sitcom or sth and that messed him up for the rest of his life
Back in the late 90's a friend of mine brought me to a presentation from Treadwell and introduced him to me. She knew him as they were neighbors in the canyon ( So Cal) He was very cordial. I later donated a small check to his Foundation. It took him 6 months to cash it. He had been up with the bears. He wrote me a nice letter, thanking me for my contribution. He often asked my friend about me. I was shocked and saddened when I heard he had been killed. It was on the day of my own mother's funeral.
I wouldn't want to advertise that I contributed to this idiot.
So sad .
I’m sure he was nice person but he was delusional and reckless. Horrible way to die and we should all respect wildlife by leaving them alone. Unfortunately he caused a lot of harm. I wish his family peace and healing.
Condolences on the death of your mother.
"He's not particularly intelligent." That is brutal honesty there. Though I wouldn't be so candid, he wasn't very cautious. Ironic since his name is Treadwell.
It's funny because my grandfather actually met Treadwell once and the only thing he had to say about him was "He was as dumb as a stack of bricks"
His birth name was Timothy William Dexter. Treadwell was the name he took when he tried to become an actor. One of his ex-girlfriends described him as having extreme highs & lows. I think he was bipolar and narcissistic. Not a fun combo...
@@jeannewells1349 Thank you for saying that
LOL the last name shit
hahaha the last name
He might have brought it on himself but I can't imagine how terrifying and horrific the last minutes of their lives were. It is sad that he took his girlfriend down with him.
@JT Raven she probably didn’t understand how dangerous it really was.
@@jamesmonroe6291 Oh yeah bears. The pacifists of nature.
@@thegreatone11 Wow, you must be one of those traitorous, fascist Republicans .
You’re right about ignorance. Those cute cuddly little bears YA RIGHT!!!! They live wild for a reason and should be left alone. His girlfriend however- loved him and apparently would follow him wherever he went. TERRIBLE SAD that happened to them. I can’t bring myself to listen to the audio of that attack, and I know it wasn’t a quick death. I only pray they now Rest In Peace. If anything, others should take heed and LEARN from this 😪
@@amybaker3551 democrats live in a fantasy world where there’s no bad.
I must say I really respect the kindness of your final sentences on this, especially the final sentence: ‘Fantasy may kill the pain, but it doesn’t actually alter physical consequences “. That was kind.
Watched the documentary for the first time in September 2021. Being familiar with a wide-range of mental illness, my first thought was Timothy suffered from bipolar disorder. Dr. Grande's observation was illuminating and brings to light the sad reality Timothy Treadwell lived and, ultimately, died in.
Thank you so much, Dr. Grande. This is yet another classy and caring analysis. One note on this guy and anyone who wants to live as Timothy Treadwill did .... WANTING something to be true, does not make it true. Timothy really wanted to believe that the bears would not hurt him, but seriously, bears eat everything. I know the language of the bear, too, and as soon as their eyes meet yours, you are already dead. Do NOT approach bears. In Alaska, the saying is "a fed bear is a dead bear," and this is so true; if just one human feeds a bear or allows them to think that humans are a source for food, that bear will revisit the spot where he was given food or seek out humans for more. If the meat popsicle (human) does not provide food, then the meat popsicle becomes the food. Bears deserve to live without human interaction in their natural habitat. A person who TRULY respects and adores bears will leave them alone and watch from afar.
@Joe - and why wouldn’t he? Are you wearing A1 sauce?
Mermaid I wasn't going to read your post as imo long UA-cam comments are usually written for attention. But yours was excellent.
@@knowsmebyname Thank you so much for reading and commenting, Hon. I am honored. (I also feel the same way about long comments!)
Chris Wallace you sir are 100% correct... Tim even mentions how "you're going down his gullet" and taught me about that old bears desperate for survival late in the fall is the bear that you need to worry about. I've thought about this and it' has helped me remain calm during bear encounters deep in the back country
@Chris Wallace He did say clearly in the video that Timothy did know the bears would hurt him
He survived 13 summers! What an incredible lucky streak! Equivalent to holding the dice for an hour at the craps table.
But as was stated, his big mistake was staying into hibernation season for the reasons mentioned.
But they all make the same mistake. They go for one more roll of the dice and it bites them in the end.
Lasting that long was not a good thing. It got him killed.
Well put … it’s uncanny how long he was able to stay at it … i think he was delusional that’s the only reasonable, conclusion … he never saw how much danger he was in
Not really, peopel go camping in that park year in and year out without too many incidents. The real problem was here stayed for the food shortage.
He worked at a restaurant in Newport Beach called “Gulliver's” ; some associates and I used to meet there for lunch. He was an annoying dullard. That’s all I can describe him as. I never experienced that Australian kick.
Any dealings I had with him involved him acting like Keanu Reeves character in one of the “Bill and Ted”
movies.
I didn’t know about his demise until a waitress who worked there who had expressed misgivings about home told me what had happened.
He did eventually bond with the bears on a nutritional level
Your commentary is so eloquent and laced with humour...."perhaps the word for him was edible rather than credible"... 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
I know... love that Dr. Grande zinger! 🤣🤣🤣
His words are "Treadwell thought the bear would find him credible, but the word he was looking for, was edible". Not really the same as what you cited him for. Well said by the doctor, though.
@@Jaksi-a should have checked it, but the sentiment is the same!
I was going to point that one out too that was classic 😅
@@StephanieBadAzz a favourite for sure! Will be giggling all night at that 😄
I'll never understand why people allow themselves to be talked into dangerous activities that they fear.
He wasnt talked into anything lol. He was BEARy crazy. And met a GRIZZLY end.
Highly agreeable personalities
@@rjskum688
I think Carolyn means the girlfriend. She was scared of the bears, she was planning to enbd the relationship... so why did she put herself in this dangerous position for him? Was she that much of a people-pleaser?
@@rjskum688 I think it was his girlfriend Amie who is being referred to.
Glad you did this analysis. Ive been obsessed with this story for years. Everything you said is what i was thinking. 100%
I didn't read all the comments, but I wanted to say - for all his craziness, he really was extremely talented filmmaker and some of the footage he left behind is poignantly beautiful and highly recommended to watch (the Grizzly Man Diaries documentary). You can see the spirit he saw these animals through, and it was beautiful. Aside from his obvious mental issues, the work deserves respect and recognition.
Yes, though extremely troubled, he was very talented and I still think he had a more realistic view of bear behaviors than is portrayed.
That's Werner Hertzog's editing I think.
I agree. It's too bad, in that because his horrific demise was caused by his own stupidity/delusional thinking/arrogance, he's remembered more for those personality traits than for the beautiful films he could have been remembered for instead.
This is a subject I have slight inside information on. My uncle was (he passed away last year) one of the foremost experts on brown bears (grizzlies). He was on the board of the Grizzly Discovery Center in West Yellowstone, Montana. He was one of the biologists involved with the reintroduction of wolves into Yellowstone, which was very controversial.
Anyway, I was at a family reunion just outside Yellowstone and I asked him about Treadwell. My uncle (the bear expert) almost couldn't believe I was asking the question. He said Treadwell got exactly what he deserved.
My uncle was very intimidating, so I didn't press him for more details, but he basically said Treadwell was a complete idiot, and you can never understand what a wild animal will do. And I will say that my uncle had many engagements with brown bears. He was disgusted by Treadwell.
Anyway...just some information from someone I knew and respected. RIP
Your uncle having an opinion on this guy without knowing him personally isn't having inside information on anything. 😂
Dr. Grande, telling it like it is. "During those last few moments his fantasy came crashing down. He was forced to face the reality that he was nothing more than food to that bear. That was the relationship!" OUCH
@@TheCandiceWang death can reveal any dark or bright truth and break any ego when confronted to it
Sometimes it’s too late before others can see everything
SUR-PRIIIIZE!
You said something that touched a nerve. I think lots of people, if they hade a hard life,i.e. people let them down, like me they turn to animals. Bad case yes . I have done lots of animal rescue throughout my life. They don't hurt me like people do.
Agreed, they don't speak the same language as us so they won't say something bad. Plus I only love and adore cute and small herbivore animals
I can't help but roll my eyes anytime I hear someone called narcissistic.
Almost every single time someone has done something wrong or someone disagree with it somehow ends up with.
"He is narcissistic bro" lol
Not necessarily from this vid... but just overall.
Its the flavor of the Month as a catch all and way to diminish someone when in reality they have no clue.
The way he would smack those bears on the snout & yell at them. I can’t believe he lived as long as he did.
That little fox that stole his cap was cute though.
"when one lives his life on luck alone, he has to realize that the luck eventually runs out" Treadwells luck, and the bears tolerance for him, ran out.
@ Mitch G - 👍Interesting, where do I find the video footage you mentioned?
@@lovingatlanta Watch grizzly man
@@kenseyx - Okay. Thanks. 👍
So mind boggling how he was soooo terrified of losing that dang hat! But being surrounded by GRIZZLIES was ok. Lol.
I don't understand how you choose the perfect topics for each episode lately. Literally perfect selections IMO.
He’s truly amazing!!! I was just thinking about this documentary.
He said he takes suggestions from his comments and patreon. That’s one thought...🤷🏻♂️😂
@@Crazyjn I know but his method is working so well. Nailing topic after topic is not an feat to accomplish IMO. His patron is awesome by the way. I recommend joining. Tons of videos just for Patrons and he really lets you get to know him better. I pay by the year. I get so much value out of his shows.
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I suggested this weeks ago. Your welcome😁
Indeed, Doctor I find your comments and analysis, "spot on". I have not seen other videos with Timothy Treadwell, as of yet. I have no desire to track down the actual audio of his killing. I simply value the entire story as a warning that mental illness takes many forms and not to play with wildlife.
The only video that is worth watching is Grizzly Man by Werner Hetzog.
There is no actual audio of his death, only a convincing reenactment which I have heard - and which is already more than disturbing enough and sounds utterly real.
The only thing that was found of Timothy was part of his skull and his spine and his left arm from the elbow down with his watch still attached, his girlfriend was found nearby half-buried but intact for the most part the bear was obviously saving her for later. The bear was dispatched by park rangers as it was guarding her corpse when they arrived at the site.
I feel for the park rangers having to see this, and it could have been avoided if Timothy had heeded their warnings. Truly sad
Geez, it’s like a Jurassic Park scene
My mom grew up on Kodiak Island in the 70/80’s and she had so many stories of grizzly attacks. She said that it was an odd thing for a year to go by without somebody getting mauled. They are extremely unpredictable animals. Much much different than brown/black bears that tend to be spooked easily. They have no fear of humans
Only one fatality so not sure if that is accurate.
When you weigh 1000lb and can clear the distance of a football field in 10.2 seconds, you don't need to be afraid of humans.
@@ericmailander3361 Go look up beat attacks in the US....they should have a week dedicated to them they're pretty good at killing hikers.
I did not expect a video to be done about Timothy Treadwell, but I’m glad it’s happened. Thank you good sir.
I have always wondered about him, and his girlfriend. This was so tragic.
"Fantasy may take away the pain, but it does not alter any physical consequences."
There are a whole lot of people who need to hear this.
I remember this story back in 2005. I was so mad at him for getting two innocent bears killed with his buffoonery. 🐻
@Projekt Kobra She was just as stupid as he was! Why would you give her a pass?
I agree but I still feel bad for him. He was an idiot but not necessarily a bad person.
@@sabrinatscha2554 I feel bad for the innocent bears🐻
@Humble Guy blah blah blah....nobody cares
@@daisylavender5275 basically, bears murderrape.
Holy jeez I can't believe how happy I am to see Dr. Grande profile a person I haven't thought about in probably 8 years...(not even sarcasm!)
Nice.
“He thought the bears found him credible, but they actually found him edible.” Very sad, but a hilarious rhyme by you, Dr. Grande! Thanks for your analysis! Always helpful, and entertaining. 😁
You were being both analytical and kind. Thank you.
Lot of good lessons here.
Number 1 Don't self medicate with cocaine and heroin. Number 2 don't watch documentaries from national geographic at midnight . I couldn't sleep due to chemo and the show started out calmly with no warning about what happened at the end. At 12:55 I got the shock of my life.
Not “credible “ but “edible”!
Good one Doc!!!
@@georgewagner7787 Wow, that was really a bad programme at a bad time! Get well stranger!
I feel sorry for the Girlfriend and the two Bears.
Folks be careful.
Don't allow your love for someone to blind you.
Don't allow your Love for someone to put you in a dangerous/questionable situation.
Walk away if you have to....don't look back.
More than anything this Story is a Cautionary Tale.
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I feel sorry for the bears the two humans were idiots
@Stone_Cold_Malone I lived in Alaska for 30 years and I have actually seen Bears.
Seriously, there is NO WAY that she was going to attack a Bear with a Frying Pan and win.
Treadwell should have known that.
Instead of screaming for her to help him (which she couldn't unless she had a Firearm, which she didn't) he should have Manned Up and screamed at her to run the hell away from the outset because I'm sure he had enough sense to realize that he was probably not going to survive that attack and that she would probably be next on the Menu.
He put her in danger - he was the one constantly hanging around those Bears (fantasizing that he had some kind of understanding with them), she wasn't.
She was courageous, for sure but it was all for naught.
Her life and the lives of two Bears got wasted because of his Delusions.
Amen! When will humans realize we are full toothed slow running animals when compared with other animals. We were given higher evolved brains. Use them!
@@chefbetsy7680 Exactly.
It is sad though that even with these evolved Brains we are still the most maladjusted Species on this Planet.
Well done. You spoke on this way better than anyone else. I have followed this for years. Great job. Nailed it!!!
“Give my life meaning, bears, since I can’t give my life meaning!”
“He believed that the bears made him a better person”
Most people get a dog or cat
The star of Grizzly Man was that wee fox he made friends with. I sometimes think that fox must have looked for his human friend for a while before moving on 🦊
Or the fox looked for the human that made it do tricks for food before he moved on.
@@mariebernier3076 Alright Ms cheery...I don't remember the fox being made to do tricks.
@@mitchattitude7805 😂😂😂😂
I love animals too, but please be careful and don't anthropomorphize them. It's a mistake that Tim Treadwell made.
@@infernocanuck It was a great point Herzog made in the film accompanied by a full-screen shot of a grizzly’s head. Cold eyes, nobody’s buddy.
Bears may be the very most misunderstood animal in the world but that doesn't mean someone needs to "fix" that problem. It means stay away from them.
Very good synopsis about Timothy Treadwell. Thank you. Cant imagine his final moments, and the grlfriend.
Fascinating analysis. I think that many people who pet, acquire or seek intimacy with exotic animals have delusions of grandeur or are emotionally stunted, often leading to tragic consequences. I heard of a couple in New York whose baby was eaten by their pet python. It was allowed to slither freely around the apartment, because they considered it a member of the family and believed it loved them and their offspring.
2 children were killed by a python in my home town of Campbellton NB
Omg. I coyldnt even think about having a snake for a pet. That's just sickening. Make me feel weak in my tummy thinking about that snake eating their baby.
A neighbor’s dog bit me, and it was always aggressive. Then the neighbor argued it’s a member of their family. And the property management person kinda think it’s okay to think and behave that way.
@@boris2342 I remember reading about that. They charged the pet store owner I think but he was found not guilty. I can’t imagine the horror of living in the city in an apartment and woke up by an escaped big snake and subsequently killed by it! What I don’t get is how it managed to kill 2. Was the second kid not awake by then and not able to run?
I feel they might have histrionic personality show
He thought he had a special relationship with the bears. He was right. I'm enjoying my own special relationship with a burrito.
But as stated, his grave mistake that year was staying into hibernation that year, for the many reasons listed.
Ken Lopez-Maddox lol
I love this comment
@Openlightstudio Production ..................and deserved.
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"During those last few minutes, his fantasy came crashing down. He was forced to face the reality that he was nothing but food to that bear."
I got chills. Great video on a disturbing topic.
Excellent analysis. I remember Treadwell, thinking that he was teaching bears bad habits and would keep pushing his luck til he encountered a rogue. Lots of bad choices on exhibit here.
That was a good analysis. I remember watching the documentary with horror. I couldn't get over anyone being that disconnected with reality. It was pretty hard to sit through.
Treadwell inserted himself annually into these bears lives when they came to feed on the salmon runs... He thought he was a able to "communicate" with them and believed he was their protector... The bears merely tolerated his presence during their pre-hibernation feeding, until the day they decided one day his presence was an annoyance...
More like "Until the day their stomachs took control of them!" Hence, it was hibernation season and they were doing whatever they could to bug out for the long winter. The bloody fool picked the absolute worst time of the year to stick around. I learned a long time ago to take the advice of hunters/fishers: when they decide to pack up and head home as quickly as their legs can move, I should do the same ASAP!
The bears didn't think he was an anoyance wtf. He stayed too long when unfamiliar bears came looking for food.
Treadwell inserted himself annually into the bears natural habitat & then the bears inserted him orally, then extracted him analy, into their natural habitat
He survived 13 summers among the same group of bears. He was killed by a starving rogue bear not of the group. Tim was amazing
In Shea, and it is also clear to me that he also had learned to communicate with them using gestural language that was relatively effective in directing them away from him when they approached him to closely and prevent them from making a final approach to him at prey. I believe he used his background of observation and acting skills to pick up and employ a gestural "vocabulary" that helped him stay safe for all those years, until his eventual death.
Fear releases pheromones. If she was fearful, those bears had to smell it, big time. Sad he put her life in danger, not just his own. This is so sad and tragic.
*Anthropomorphism* is a literary device that assigns human characteristics to nonhuman entities like animals or inanimate objects. Examples of anthropomorphism can be found in narratives both old and new. Anthropomorphic characters appear in ancient Greek myths and many of Aesop's Fables.
Spot on Sir, I also believe he was delusional and narcissistic, this one really is a sad tale ; death for two humans and death for two bears.
@Yes Sir! That's a fair point it prolonged his life yet still cost his, his girlfriends and two bears lifes when all is said and done.
Oh, my gosh - what a sad ending to this story...for all involved. You make exactly the point I was thinking - it is because of his using the bears to buttress his ego that two bears were killed. Excellent analysis again!
He got his wish. I do feel for the gf. And do feel for the poor bear.
@Chris Wallace We do point out things we don't agree with or that we think he got wrong.
@Chris Wallace I appreciate and am slightly amused by your criticism of my lack thereof, but please keep in mind that you’ve the freedom to comment as you wish - it would be quite kind of you to extend me the same. Thank you and I wish you wellness.
@Chris Wallace thank you, Chris 😊
@Chris Wallace Who's treating anyone like anything in particular. I do feel for the gf losing her life. He wanted to get eaten. He got his wish. I doubt seriously she wanted to be eaten by a bear.
I am hooked on your videos as I find the content educational and quite interesting. Thank you
This was a fascinating delve into the psychological profile of Timothy Treadwell.
When it first happened, there were interviews with people that knew him, who'd said he'd returned to civilization, gotten into an argument with someone, obtained funding & then returned to the bears, this time with naive, trusting Amie Huguenard.
It was very unsettling to think that she was so frightened of bears, but trusting of Treadwell.
I thought he'd just seen one too many showings of the movie, "Dances with Wolves."
We are not that special.
We are potential kibble to the beautiful but wild predators amongst us.
"but evidently the bear was not too concerned with being hit by a pan." LOL
@@Christopher-he6is I would have quietly sneaked away while tossing the bear a knife and fork then legged it... Sorry Tim you're on your own.
@@Christopher-he6is I didn't know if it was just me, but the very fact that he dragged her out there on this idea of trust really pisses me off.
The bear wasn't too concerned about being hit with a 7 inch T-fal cooking pan because to that 1,000 lb bear (about the same weight of 6 men), who is used to battling other 1,000 lb bears, that 7" cooking pan probably felt like being hit with a disposable plastic spoon.
He was gonna need a 6 times bigger & heavier pan being swung by a 6 times stronger/6 times heavier adult male & NOT being swung by a weaker 110 lb female
He was grasping at straws, most pathetically,,to make that statement....I cannot imagine the horror of his realizing, that he's going to be eaten alive....
As someone in recovery, I saw his actions as trading one addiction for another. He could not maintain sobriety out in civilized society and 12-step programs require ego deflation to stay sober. He took his inflated ego and that poor misguided young woman and got them both killed. He was high on what he thought was this special power he had to communicate and protect the bears. When all along he had just been damn lucky. He indeed went from credible to edible. And his luck ran out and his ego couldn’t save him. Or Amy. He “cured” his addictions he thought by becoming this mystical bear whisperer when all he did was remove himself from reality and kept feeding his ego. Those videos of his were angering, annoying, bizarre, and just plain sad.
I've read a lot about this case and think Treadwell, pardon a layman's term, was a nutcase. I have never heard the idea that Amy was going to leave him though, as this video claims. In fact, I've read that the 2 of them were preparing to live together once they returned to the mainland. She was very devoted to him, to the point she did things that were unpleasant and uncomfortable for her, in order to keep in his good graces. In fact, one theory I've heard is that Tim's return to the Grizzly Maze so late in the season was due to his cold feet about his relationship with Amie. They were set to return but Tim got in an argument with an airline clerk and decided to return to the Maze, ostensibly to search for a favorite bear he had missed. Those close to the couple felt Tim was not ready for a commitment and wanted more time to think about it, hence the return to Kaflia Bay, which unfortunately proved to be a fatal mistake.
i have social anxiety disorder and ptsd i love watching your videos
13:07 "Treadwill thought the bear would find him credible. But instead he found him edible.' I was listening with such seriousness.. then Dr. Grande hit us with that poetic humor. Wouldnt be a Dr. G video without some knew slappin.
😂🤣 now that’s humor!
Werner Herzog is a mad man himself, it'd be nice to see an analysis of him. He allegedly saved Joaquin Phoenix from a car crash and then wandered off. Cheers, Dr. Grande!
Yep, that's why he found this fellow narcissist an interesting subject.
@@nicholasschroeder3678 Interesting indeed.
Wow now that's new information 😂😂
_"COME OUT HERE AND SAVE ME FROM THE BEAR I FORCED YOU TO STAY OUT HERE TO SEE, GODDAMMIT!"_
Unbelievable story, the guy was out of his mind.
I was on the driving range hitting balls when this good sized adult Bobcat walked across the range in front of us about 20 yards away. This city boy says, I saw that on hole #6 the other day and tried to feed it my power bar. I said have you ever had a baby kitten claw at you when you tried to play with it because it thought you were a threat. What do you think that would do to you in about 3 seconds. People have no respect for wild animals because they weren't raised around them. This never ends well.
I wouldn't call it a lack of respect. Ignorance definitely, and misguided respect, in their minds they think that attempting to bond or feed a wild animal is respect. People need to leave nature be.
A bobcat has been living in my backyard for many years now. We cross paths occasionally but keep our distance. The cat doesn't give a shit and is not afraid of you! Always back away facing it
PLEASE PLEASE, Dr. Grande- do a video on Steve Irwin! He was so genuine & WANTED others to have his knowledge.
Steve: ”OMG, this crocodile is so afraid!” Crodocile: ”Yeah, let me put YOU into a wooden box and film it, you f*****g idiot!”
Thanks for covering Steve!
Amazing he lasted as long as he did
Learning that Amy had planned to end their relationship makes me wonder if Timothy made an unconscious decision to put both their lives at risk.
I get what you mean but he always endangered himself and those that he invited constantly
"Perhaps a little bit of that distrust for bears would have been handy." Dr. Todd Grande. Statement of the century! LOL!
That last year, he made the grave error of staying into hibernation season, something he didn't do the previous years.
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Furthermore, after he decided to stay later, he moved his camp into the maze between the bears and the stream where they eat and drink. It forced a situation where bears would regularly come thru their camp.
Yeah, if this guy didn't have a death wish I don't know who does! His carelessness was beyond measure...
This now-old story continues to make me sad, mostly for his girlfriend, who probably went into the wilderness only to show support and love for someone she cared for.
The poor bears were also put into a terrible position, and had to die for the actions of a disturbed narcissist.
I feel for Treadwell too, although anger is the strongest emotion that I feel. In my opinion, he was just a poor deluded jerk of a guy who couldn't find a fit for himself in society.
Had he been a thinking, rational person, he might have made a wonderful wildlife biologist or park ranger where he could have enjoyed a life long love for nature and her creatures.
Every time I experience an episode like this with Dr. Grande, I feel a tiny bit smarter in that I have a greater understanding of my own behaviors and outlooks toward the world that surrounds us.
Thanks Doc! You are the gift that keeps on giving!
I call it Lord of the Beasts Syndrome and thinks it's more common than we realize. Here in FL I have acquaintances say the gator was friendly, the racoons I was feeding nibbled my toes, the opossum visits every evening... One thing to love nature, love animals, quite another to fantasize that they see you the same way. They see you as a possible source of fuel.
"I'll become one with the bears." Well, you're in luck...
I hope the bear didn't become an addict! You are what you eat.
He became bear shit lol
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Reminds me Annihilation bear scene. She became part of the bear
The bear that killed Treadwell was shot.
I have always admired Werner Herzog’s films. When I saw Grizzly Man I was stunned by Timothy Treadwell. I wanted to know what would make this guy tick and was thrilled to see your possible diagnosis. Appreciated that you said in his openness to experience factor that he was not smart. As usual you are understated. Sorry about bear 141 and the adolescent bear and his girlfriend. Another delicious video. Thank you!
Dr Grande, you hit the nail on its head in your assessment of this lad. Well done!!
I remember watching the documentary about this story years ago, soon after my divorce. I was already suffering panic attacks and was extremely distraut in general... Watching this documentary on top of this gave me the most horrible feeling of emptiness that i cant even describe, i've only felt a few times in life. And never want to again. If you want a depressing two hours, give it a watch!
I love your analyses of troubled and perplexing people. You are a good teacher.
This is a very compassionate description of an extremely delusional bloke who caused the senseless murder of at least three viable beings . Thank you for this very fascinating broadcast.
“Bloke”? What are u Australian
@@peterpiper3790 yeah they probably are. Why?
@@angeloalvarez5520 shush up ya gronk
@@peterpiper3790 what'd I do?
@@peterpiper3790 how about no
I looked for this after today's zoo video. Thank you!!! FYI the videos have evolved so nicely!
To me, Timothy was the real winner in life, because he overcame himself through the love and care he had for the bears. This is so rare and touching! Many people spend their whole lives looking for reason to live and can't find it, but he could. He was the fortunate one.
Right on about Timothy Treadwell. I’m from Alaska and he is a very good example (in addition to what you pointed out) of people who come to Alaska from the lower 48, and bring ideas about animals in the wild that are dangerous to man. My ancestors, as I did, grew up respecting the bear. Education is life saving.
Right!!!! Seriously, a few $5 bear bells....am I right? That's why they make them folks. HUMANS ARE PREDATORY ANIMALS . poor 2 bears, they were just getting some grub smh.
About ten minutes into watching the Herzog film about Treadwell, the guy sitting next to me in the theater said 'I'm already rooting for the bears'. Treadwell's treating bears as if they were people in fur suits was at times even offensive. This anthropomorphizing of animals is sad, silly and as Treadwell and his unfortunate girlfriend found, can be extremely dangerous or even fatal.
What a sad and horrific thing. ...Yet it reminds me of a joke. A man was hiking in the woods one day when he ran across a bear. The bear spotted him and proceeded to chase him to the edge of a cliff. The man was not, up until then, religious but he began to pray. "G0d please turn this bear into a good Christian!" Suddenly the bear stopped and knelt in prayer. "Thank you L0rd for this meal I am about to receive..."
These videos are oddly satisfying because you articulate thoughts that swim in my head regarding these stories. Everything I considered after this tragic event over months are covered here, and I got a couple good hearty laughs! Ain't no humor like dry.😅