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The Helmet problem is so annoying and is a misconception in film/tv that needs to die already. Unironically, in an ideal world the audition process for any character like Master Chief that is known for wearing a helmet should literally consist of any auditioning actor being handed a box with nothing but a visor with colored lenses/eye holes and being told to "put this on your head and show me 12 different emotions while wearing it."
It's so obnoxious that this belief is so prevalent because it completely dismisses the entire concept of body language as an expressive acting talent. Honestly it really makes me question how many people in the industry are unable to actually understand any sort of human emotions and that really is a disturbing prospet.
The MCU couldn't even leave the helmet on Thanos and he was fuckin' CGI.
Very weird when they cast actors that aren't well known anyway
Dredd anyone?
I’d actually be happy if we got an actor who wore a paper bag over their head the whole time and just worked past it (futurama)
not just body language but fucking vocal inflection! We only know Steve Downes from his voice and yet we all loved his performance as Master Chief.
Every time an actor wants to use the “The audience needs to see my face to feel the emotion” bit, I point to Hugo Weaving in V for Vendetta! That man had to wear a Guy Fawkes mask or hid his face in shadow for every scene V was in. And yet, he was able to show a huge range of emotion throughout that movie! Every time Pascal Halo over here emotes, all I see is desperate overacting.
It is a shame, this actor seem good in American gods
@@n4m31355h4dow I only saw him in Skyscraper and laughed my ass off when he demanded to take the helmet off!
every voice actor, like, ever can prove how vapid that idea is. If you, as an actor, can't portray emotion with your voice and your body language at least as much as your face.... your not a very good actor, honestly. Sure the audience has to work a bit harder to pick up the subtleties.... but catering to the smoothest brains in the room has never improved a piece of art in the first place.
Master Chief became one of the most popular videogame protagonists of a generation without ever once showing his face, so it kind of boggles my mind that 25 years later a big-budget TV adaptation can't manage to figure out how to simply not treat the audience like a bunch of simpletons who need everything telegraphed to them as bluntly as possible.
Also Karl urban as judge dredd
Edward Norton and Bill Nighy wants to know your location. And plenty of other people whom played characters that didn't exactly show their faces but you can tell by their voice and actions.
I love E;R's evolution in EFAP, he barely said a word in the first one
He’s been streaming on his own channel and it’s been fun to watch him break out of his own shell.
Edit: for anyone who’s wondering he reuploads his streams on V;R
E;R's character development is the only thing that brings me joy in life.
It was pretty nice, although I dunno why Rags had to start biting his head off there during the discussion about who was the most vile character.
@@Liberty_or_Ded i mean, its rags so im not really surprised about him being an asshole for no reason
Yeah I like him and when he actually speaks.
For me, the moment I loved Arbiter as a character is when he's on his first new assignment and the regular captain is like "You're a piece of shit on a suicide mission, but my men are not; when the choice comes, I WILL put my men first." And Arbiter from the gravelly depths of his military mind responds "That makes two of us." And the captain is pleasantly surprised.
Potato graphics; nothing fancy; just two men of war on a ship speaking candidly knowing what's at stake. That's all you need.
That line also doubles as a veiled insult since it can easily have the meaning of "I feel the same way about you" or the surface meaning of the Arbiter viewing his own life as expendable. Regardless of which, the priority for the common soldier comes through and earns a modicum of Rtas' respect.
@@Alex_Fahey That was how 10 year old me read it when I first played H2: a returned threat
@@LaputanMachad Nah I think Arbiter genuinely hates himself at that point.
@@samwallaceart288 Oh I agree now, I was just saying how I saw it 16 years ago when I first played the game.
@@samwallaceart288I think the other part of that scene affirms that well
_This Armor suits you but it cannot hide that mark_
_Nothing ever will_
Halo: All UNSC personnel are briefed on and required to read, to the letter, the Cole Protocol. Emergency Priority Order 098831A-1 states that no retreating UNSC ship may plot a course through or towards human colonized space. Upon imminent capture all personnel must engage evacuation procedures and all data matrices must be wiped before the ship is armed for self destruction. Thanks to these protocols earth remained undiscovered for 27 years of the Human-Covenant war.
Rings the show: LOL let's have them capture one of our AIs so we can find out where the loop is.
something something they can't write something that is smarter than they themselves are something something
That's because the Eric Nylund books are written as hard scifi military novels. With a lot of attention to detail. This is just bad fanfic.
lmao @ Rings the show
Did they give Jackals swords because they had shields?... and ignored the fact the shield has a divet designing to shoot a gun thru?
The Halo show, at this point, is TLJ and Snyder Cut levels of useful hypothetical.
It is what you show to people to teach them about Character Assassination, Faithful Adaptation vs Quality, Unintentional Implications, Lack of Outlining Stories, Writers not knowing their own stories. It's now so shitty in so many aspects, that you should be glad it exists. This should be taught in schools as a massive pile of "What Not To Do".
I think the best learning examples are where everything is working except one thing, allowing you to see the direct implications. When everything is going wrong, it’s about as demonstrative as everything going right.
What do you mean 'faithful adaptain vs quality'? This show has neither
Snyder cut is a master piece. 😛 What the heck is wrong with you?
@@dadocta5168 He was unaware that he had to leave his brain at the door lest it get in the way....
But I liked snyder cut for the most part. Or do you think the original is better lmao?
I always saw Makee as the writer's OC stealing all of Arbiter's development and this season confirms it.
That requires makee to have lined up at all with what the arbiter does in the slightest
I mean that guy couldn't even be the arbiter. He dies on Halo as soon as we got there. The real arbiter didn't even become the arbiter until after his failure on the first Halo.
If an Earth city is made for aliens to visit, make sure it has a trungos
Serve them Chick pea Grumbo.
Remember when TV shows were 20-25 episodes long and enjoyable/constructive? Now they’re 8-10 episodes, and that’s still only 1-2 episodes stretched out at best.
Remember when TV shows were 12/13 episodes and actually felt like complete stories where every episode had weight? I remember...
Good ol SG1
Remember Bartles
and Jaymes? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Yeah. Back when they spent their time on writing instead of dodgy and expensive effects combined with contrived messaging
And their "content" could easily be squished into 2 to 4 episodes at best.
John Halo is my favorite Helldivers 2 character from the Starship Troopers franchise.
Right up there with Luke Starwars from Battlestar Galactica.
He would totally beat Metroid up
How each format has handled the Fall of Reach:
The Novels/Expanded Content - The defence of Reach lasts about THREE HOURS (at least how long it lasted before it lost the Orbital MAC Stations, after which there was nothing stopping Covenant ships from moving in to glass the planet) as a demonstration of how vast the scaling is between Humanity and the Covenant and to set up how desperate the situation is by the time Combat Evolved starts with novels and short stories consistently establishing that Reach was second only to Earth in terms of importance to Humanity and the war.
The Games - Reach is built up throughout the trilogy (and briefly referenced in ODST) as one of the greatest defeats for Humanity yet it turns into the event that ultimately triggers a domino effect to save them. Then when we actually see it, it begins as an attempt to mobilise against the Covenant but eventually the Spartans, Troopers and ODSTs get out manoeuvred, outnumbered and outgunned as the Covenant start flowing in faster than situations can be resolved until eventually the remnants of Noble Team forced to put everything on the line to get Humanity's last hope off the planet before it becomes another ball of glass drifting in the void, with Noble Six turning down his one opportunity to escape the planet to protect the Pillar of Autumn before falling to endless hoards of Elites and Grunts, surrounded by just over a dozen Spartans that suffered similar fates which (alongside Noble Team getting picked off one by one from Long Night of Solace onwards) enforces the fact that the Covenant are such an overwhelming force that even Spartans are not invincible against them.
The TV Show - The direct combat lasts just over 1 episode, we don't even see any Silver Team in armour, we don't get any acknowledgement of what the other Spartan teams are doing, the Covenant aspect is seemingly limited to just Elites, Jackals and 1 Brute Chieftain (whereas in the main continuity both sides threw everything they had available at each other) and after its focus episode is finished, the main characters go to a random planet to do Soren's Loyalty Mission or something...
That was really well put. Though I do kinda want to know which you prefer. For me, even though I like Reach. It has too much tism story wise for me to like it over the book.
@@redfalcon2919 thanks.
I think that the game and novels are good for completing what they're aiming for but given details such as how the seriousness of the revelation of the Covenant being on the planet is in Winter Contingency until the end with the Zealots or how some of the time jumps feel arbitrary (especially the gap between Sword Base and Nightfall), I prefer the depiction in Fall of Reach and First Strike where - despite it's value to Humanity - the Covenant just treat the planet the same as all the others: search for any Forerunner artefacts, then glass it and move on with ruthless efficiency.
@@redfalcon2919 Book for me but that could be because I read it first. Then again, there were a lot of issues I had with Reach's story (why is noble team made up of s-IIIs in mojlnir, why does Halsey not notice or care a team of s-IIIs are right in front of her, where were the orbital mac guns, why did they send only a single frigate and some planetary interceptors after a covenant corvette, where the hell was the unsc fleet... I could go on for ages.)
@@patchmoulton5438 Same, as a story I think Reach falls flat too often for me to love it too much, though I will say it has some of the best character writing in the series.
I 1000% agree with all the discrepancies between the books and game. Honestly I always found the Spartan 3 change to be such a waste. They had a cool idea and interesting purpose, instead it now is just, Spartan 2 'lite'. That and I like how one of the main reason Ackerson made the Spartan 3 program was to cut costs because as a surprise to no-one, the UNSC would be in quite the financial crisis. Yet they can somehow afford to make custom armors for their Spartan 3 team, armors which couldn't be used by them in the first place. Shit's wild.
@@redfalcon2919 Plus the armour even in its default unaltered state is the one thing most expensive about them, apparently being as expensive as an entire ship, so it makes no sense to outfit Spartan 3s in that armour if the purpose of them is to make cheaper Spartans. Hell it's probably even one of the most expensive pieces of equipment ever built by humanity. Not just in monetary cost either, a lot of the materials it's made of are rare and hard to find, most colonies have been wiped out or cut off from Earth, and transporting goods between planets has surely become dangerous and difficult so having the required materials to make more armour would be extremely difficult.
Also I always felt that Reach as depicted in the game was far too lightly defended for what it is. Reach was close to Earth, home to the UNSC's military, primary location for military research and development. had the largest shipyards, and was overall one of the most important planets to humanity even before the war. Yet as @patchmoulton5438 mentioned, there was no fleet shown defending the planet, the orbital platforms were nowhere to be seen, from what we saw the forces defending the planet were so few in number and mainly army personnel with standard equipment, and the response to the enemy threat was slow and light.
Perhaps they possibly thought it would fit the story better this way but I think had they shown Reach as it was previously depicted it would only better fit the tone of the game, at first building that false hope better by showing off the scale of the defences and how impenetrable the planet seemed, then hitting in the grim reality of how bad it is when you see all of that get destroyed so easily. Instead it seemed in the game like there was barely much to stop the covenant. Plus a team of Spartan 3s not in mjolnir armour would've made what they accomplished more impressive while also making people care more about their safety because they wouldn't have the tough armour to protect them
Just came from the highlight of the Covenant diversity video... is Movie Bob even a real human being?
I'm more than sure that Bob is a robot made by the Chinese. I mean it would make sense that his mind wasn't so advanced
As far as I can tell he is the product of a single mother.
Diabeto is a Martian going mad that he can’t return to his barren wasteland he calls home
And at the same time, Sargon posts a video about Bugposting.
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
He was, once. But not anymore
Putting Jon and Patrician on the same episode when they sound this similar is downright cruel
I'm hearin' double here, four Jons!
It’s pretty funny tbh
Arbiter being such a tragic figure on accident is like Jake Sully accidentally being the main antagonist of Avatar 2.
Case of the writers accidentally making a perfect arc that's the total opposite of the cliché they were going for.
James Cameron thinks Sully's the relatable hero trying to protect his family; but at every step the movie actually shows evidence that Sully burns every bridge he makes and actively endangers every tribe he comes in contact with and then fucking off just as they're at their most fucked; even Jake's wife stops listening to him and leaning into tribalism to protect her own kids now that she's been removed from her family support network. The movie is 10x better once you realize Sully's the tragic antagonist, not the hero Cameron says he is.
I feel like Fringy's at a similar point with Arbiter. The show thinks he's just a bad-man who will turn good later, but totally neglects him to instead focus on his abuser as if she's the sympathetic one; the show doesn't realize what story it's telling and sides with the wrong person
Reminds me of the character writing with Amber in Invincible, where a few inconsistent writers made a goof and accidentally wrote her to be a manipulative abuser and Mark's friends to be gaslighting assholes that thought she was right, then in season 2 they sweep it under the rug and pretend that never happened just because that wasn't what they intended rather than work with the accidental goldmine of potential they just gave themselves.
My grandma knows who Mario is, My grandma knows who Pikachu is, despite all the hype my grandma has no fucking clue who Master Chief is. Kratos is only known by gamers. Steve is only known by gamers.
To be iconic you have to be known outside of just your fan base. Star wars is iconic because people who have never seen the movie still know what it is.
To be fair, Minecraft is so popular with kids that you can pretty regularly see Steve at, say, Walmart. Whether parents have any conception of who the character is, the design lends itself to being recognized as "oh it's that thing my kid watches on UA-cam".
I don't think grandparents and people out of the space would know Steve, but they'd totally be like "Oh that's a Minecraft dude" cause the game itself is iconic and the character represents it. IMO that's a similar situation to choices like the "straight line" Tetris piece, the Pong paddle or even Pacman. Those are not really iconic characters, they are just the closest to a playable character you can have in those games.
You nailed it RIGHT on the head there. To be iconic you have to be known culturally. Star Wars is a great example of that and I was literally thinking about how people know who Luke Skywalker or Darth Vader are and what they're about just on first glance or mention
For some reason, my grandma read the halo books one day out of the blue she found them at a used bookstore near me, so she did know who Master Chief was. Lmao.
Did she know about the games before you told her? Cause it sounds like she just picked the books up as normal books
My favorite part was everyone gaslighting E;R to get him to talk more. It was very nice of them to get him more screen time.
I think it just goes to show how confusing this show is that there was a 10-15 minute discussion on what the meaning of the coin is
@@noahmoore6513 I'd also say its confusing and frustrating nature makes you want to forget certain details. I applaud E;R and the rest of them for remembering anything from the show because I'd surely forget something so dumb.
The fact that BAFTA didn’t have Samus Aran in the top 10 of their most iconic characters list is ridiculous! She debuted in 1986 and probably was the first female video game protagonist ever; which you think would check their box. Her game and Castlevania were groundbreaking combining platforming and adventure while introducing the concept of backtracking. She has been adapted into almost every form of media and whenever there are a few years between games, we come close to a mass world riot! I don’t understand this list and it makes the credibility of their awards shaky.
But you see, she's attractive. Attractive women are almost as bad as the evil, filthy men who gaze at them.
Except Castlevania had its own unique style of gameplay before it adopted the Metroid formula, and it only did it for 4 games while also stealing stiles from Zelda and Devil May Cry. The best Castlevania game in my opinion is still Rondo Of Blood.
@@CharlesUrban she also originally had green hair if you go back to the original NES Metroid.
@@EpicJasonX9000 Rondo of Blood was a good game. The last of the linear games while introducing the untimed aspect of the future games. I only brought up Castlevania because the “Metroidvania” phenomenon in the 90s since they kept releasing bangers!
Symphony of the Night is still my favorite. I know, typical, but I fell in love with RPGs because of that game.
Samus has earned a spot not only because of her notoriety but also because of all the pron she's generated.
Red vs blue was far more emotional and emotive than any of this crap
I just picked up the first five seasons of Red vs Blue.
I don't think even Melonie Mac would say that Lara Croft is THE most iconic video game character of ALL time.
Lara is a solid 10 or teen rank; but Chun-Li outclasses her imo.
RIP Mr. Mandibles, the writers, director, and showrunner did you dirty.
Makee is so frustrating. I remember first hearing the character name in an early announcement, along with the fact that she was a human member of the Covenant (hence the Sangheili name). I thought, "okay, they want a Covenant viewpoint character, but aliens are expensive so they've used a human." However, having apparently become temporarily a naive moron, I assumed that she would make sense within the Halo lore; I assumed it would go something like this: Some Sangheili commander found a human baby back during the very first Covenant attacks on the outer colonies. Since most of the Covenant doesn't know the Prophets' real motives (they think the issue is "humans are heretics" not "humans are intrinsically a threat to Prophet doctrine by being the designated heirs to the Forerunners") the Elite commander quietly took her in. The Prophets of course don't know about this (she and the commander would be executed at once if they did, but the Covenant is a big, diverse place and they don't know what's going on everywhere). The Elite commander knows that humans must be conquered and punished for their heresy, but he thinks they can be "redeemed" and join the Covenant. Thus, Makee has been raised with the understanding that she must be an ambassador for the Great Journey; she will be a saviour of her people, both by redeeming them religiously (by converting them), and literally saving them from annihilation. "Human daughter, if you can make your people see the light, they won't have to be exterminated; they can join the Covenant!" While we know that the Elite is wrong and humanity is marked for total destruction by the Prophets regardless. I assumed that would be what the Makee character was -- a pro-human zealot who wants to make humanity see the light so they can be redeemed, not destroyed as heretics. A sympathetic yet twistedly misguided and dangerous character (since she sincerely believes that unrepentant heretics must be slaughtered...)
That’s a pretty solid backstory to work off of
Honestly, this backstory is too good for this series.
I'd actually be interested in that adaptation of Halo.
Your assumptions have more depth and understanding and creativity than a multi million dollar company. I just wish the bar was so much higher so that you could take more pride in that fact.
If I could offer more? :
Instead of Makee being an adult from the start of her conflict, instead I offer a different path.
At one point the Elite Commander's higher officer learns about the human girl while she's in about her mid or late teens, and there's some conflict as said commander considers reporting the issue to the Prophets. The Prophets eventually learn about this when the commander finally decides his loyalty to the Covenant is stronger than to his comrade. The Prophets send to have the human and her adoptive father killed. The father dies trying to protect his daughter as she barely escapes, becoming a refugee in human space and is forced to reconcile with her own people whom she cannot possibly relate with culturally. All this while she's forced to accept the reality that mankind is facing total annihilation, and that the cult she was indoctrinated in her entire life is founded upon the Prophets' lies.
If she's a redeemable character, maybe her understanding of the Covenant language can allow her to perform critical codebreaking activities (where you can reuse the joke from the games that the Covenant don't actually encrypt most communications).
This leads to her recovering secret intel her father had access to, which helps a strike team led by Chief to rescue a group of human captives the Covenant have been torturing for information. One of the captives turns out to be a very young boy, whose parents died when the Covenant took his planet.
Makee adopts him, and her raising of him on a quiet little agriworld long after the war, in human space, bookends her journey. In the very last shot we see of her, the camera is close and looking down at her shoulder, focused on the young boy just behind her, but we notice she's wearing a ring on her finger, and an unarmored Elite's hand gently clasps her shoulder from behind.
“When you work on something for a decade…….” You get Duke Nukem Forever.
So is Abry and the Chief being renamed Mandible Man and John Halo now?
That would make a good April Fools video
Maybe just Mandy and Jhalo
Jimmy Rings: The Demon Reclaimer of Reach Street
I hate the fact that this garbage got another season, while Inside Job got canceled for no reason, and ended on a cliffhanger.
They canceled it to save it. It's over now, and now it can't be ruined. At least that's one way to look at these things now lol.
What’s Inside Job?
@@JSPena 7/11
Eh, Inside Job was nothing to write home about imho...
What about Inside Jeb though?
”No, John. You _are_ the Flood!”
And then John was a Flood.
TEH END?
The fall of reach being one episode actually hurts. I love the game, ngl.
"Reach City," my word...
The baffling thing about the halo show is they had the whole era of the insurrection for inter human drama if the alien parts didn’t seem worth while to the producers
Release the John CJG cut! Make all of Chief's dialogue into Microsoft Sam.
Was E;R trying to say that the writters retconned the cameras to not exist in this season anymore?
That certainly seems to be what the writers did since cameras simply don't exist in this season. Otherwise, half the 'evidence' for the "JiMmY rInGs Is GoInG cRaZy!" plot point doesn't work when we should have his own helmet cam recordings (and those of Perez) of the couple dozen elites and Covenant-brand Karen on Sanctuary.
Yeah, that’s the point the boys overlooked when they pushed back. I’m not sure if E;R was using this as a defense of the writing (because the discussion quickly becomes pedantic and defensive) or just to explain why the camera stuff is never brought up-which, as far as plot holes go, even affects a point they had just made about the scientists not being able to tell if anyone touched anything. “Cameras don’t exist now” is a terrible way to justify the sudden disappearance of what has previously been established as existing, but, if it’s a consistent change to the universe past a certain point, I think that’s a different kind of complaint about the writing than the “he forgot his gun for just this one scene because they needed him not to have it” examples that followed.
@@interregnum_ It's more that whether you should take the retcon to be 'the cameras are gone now' vs 'they removed the cameras'. The former is bad, but the latter is worse. Being charitable, you could argue for the seasonal meta-retcon rather than a retarded in-universe choice.
Bro seemed confused all stream ngl haha
Holy shit fringy went OFF in this episode bro had a lot on his mind
I really appreciated his fixation on the coin flipping
It's amazing to me how many times someone says "oh yeah, [insane thing that should have massive impact] happened by the way" and I can only assume that the show is so schizo that these things will happen and just have no fucking relevance at all, so they are completely forgettable.
1:50:00 - can you imagine if he was operating the radio, and was one of the last alive? More and more silence, fewer people barking commands, fewer instructions he needs to relay...?
Until he slowly realises he's the last one alive. Then, maybe, you can have him die heroicly, perhaps reaching out, fumbling, trying to find a dead comrades' dogtags...
The budget for this show should have been given to Neil Blomkamp, Joseph Staten and Martin O'Donnell to create an authentic , live-action adaptation of Halo. The Forward Unto Dawn short film, Halo: Landfall and the live action game trailers are proof that it can be done right (Halo 3 ODST as a primary example).
ODST trailer is still at the peak of live-action video game content.
Halo Legends too, which shows what you can do if you hand off the franchise to people who are competent and actually respect other people's creations. This whole series should have been animated and made in a similar way to Legends. Microsoft probably just handed the rights to whoever was willing to pay the most, and the people who got the job clearly don't respect the things other people make, thinking their own ideas and creations must be better.
Odst would IMO work even better than the other games as a live adaptation
FuD is not good. It's got that Spielberg trash writing where the main character is good because he doesn't want to fight...so why tf is he in the military? Stop shoe-horning young adult kids as your heroes. They suck.
Blomkamf's short was good for what it was but is not the right style for Halo. That shaky came business has really outworn its welcome, Halo is not supposed to be gritty or realistic, and Blomkamf has lurched from one bad movie to the next. District 9 hasn't aged that well.
I don't know who should've directed the movie/TV show, but I know that they should start with the books as the source to write from, not the games. The games should be secondary.
@HarleyHerbert How could I forget...I personally have a soft spot for Spartan 1337. That whole segment is bonkers , but the Dragon Ball art style makes up for that part of the film. I'll need to rewatch that one of these days.
At this point, Doom (2005) is looking more and more like the best live action adaptation of a FPS game. Sure it took some liberties, but it was still a fun movie with some good looking practical effects and was at least faithful the designs of the demons from Doom 3.
It had an actual FPS scene that was really cool.
Karl urban was a badass and they made the rock a villian so it’s got props for that
@@theliato3809 agreed. You normally can’t go wrong with Karl Urbsn since he’s a bad ass on most films. Plus the practical effects are honestly really good. That BFG design alone is really cool and has been adapted into many fan made mods. John “Reaper” Grimm is no Doomguy, but he’s definitely worthy enough to carry the Doomguy legacy. Same with The Marine from Doom 3.
@@theliato3809Ironic thing about that is he did a fantastic job as Dredd, and unlike John Halo kept his helmet on the whole film that showed more emotion and character than the loser in this god awful show.
Fringy, you're absolutely correct about humans being Forerunners. That was the intention from square one, through every Halo game. The only info that contradicts this in the entire Bungie canon are the legendary terminals in Halo 3 - which were written by Bungie's community manager (basically, the guy who ran the website and had no input on the games outside some involvement with the ARGs and the H3 legendary terminals). His terminals are noncanon fanfiction that contradict themselves, contradict the canon terminal entries about Mendicant Bias and the Gravemind, and contradict every other piece of canon Halo lore and the plot of the games.
Frankie left Bungie in 2008 to join 343 and was put in charge of the lore and story writing for 343 Halo. His first act was to commission the Greg Bear novels which first and foremost canonized his fanfiction about the Forerunners,the Flood, and the Precursors (or as I like to call them, the Beforerunners). The obvious issue with this is that if Humans are not Forerunners then there is no reason for the Human-Covenant War to happen, and thus no reason for any Halo game prior to 4 to happen besides the Prophets being kinda jealous about the Mantle of Responsibilty being given to humans instead of them I guess. If you accept 343 lore, then you can't accept Bungie lore without cognitive dissonance and vice versa. There are a lot of people who like to pretend that you can, but when you scrutinize it and actually compare it to Bungie's releases and not 343's remasters, nothing lines up. On top of all of this, Bungie's developers have stated repeatedly that humans were forerunners, on commentary tracks and social media. One even said it was bizarre that 343 "changed it."
There's a good video by C3 Sabertooth that goes into great detail proving beyond a shadow of doubt that nothing prior to 343 Halo lore ever contradicts this besides noncanon materials and Frankie's terminal entries. It's called "Halo: We WERE Forerunner" and very much worth a watch.
Correct.
Half of Bungie thought Humans being Forerunners was a stupid idea do veto'd Halo 2's original ending and wrote both the IRIS ARG and the terminals which both outright contradict us being Forerunners.
343 changing the lore is complete cope, Bungie did it first.
@@MrPikaGammer They didn’t veto it lmao Halo 2’s 3rd act got scrapped. This is common knowledge. Then in the years between Halo 2 and Halo 3 they just changed the ending. Nothing in Halo 3 besides a couple legendary terminals actually indicates that they changed their mind on it. (And even those aren’t concrete proof that they weren’t in agreement) There’s Truth’s line about Johnson having been left behind by the other Forerunners (because he believed the humans still alive weren’t worthy of the afterlife and therefore didn’t travel to paradise with the other Forerunners when the rings were fired) and there’s most obviously, 343 Guilty Spark’s famous line at the end of Halo 3.
@@alexschneider8494 343 Guilty Spark was called by Bungie rampant, he's not and was never meant to be taken as trustworthy or a reliable narrator.
Good job ignoring the second half of my comment, the Terminals aren't the only thing that contradicts us being Forerunners. Both the IRIS ARG and Contact Harvest which came out shortly before and after Halo 3 respectively both point to us being a separate species.
Bungie made the change and even Bungie staff have admitted this.
@@MrPikaGammer If by "Half of Bungie" you mean "Bungie's community manager" then you're correct.
The premise for Josh Hoops is literally the plot to Universal Soldier.
I can't believe someone on this panel actually tried to defend a writing fuckup as "it didn't exist because the writers forgot it." 🤯 😵
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The thing about asking someone about their most iconic games characters is that Usually they’ll pick one from a franchise and move onto the next. I picked Mario, Sonic, and Link. It didn’t even occur to me to pick Bowser because I already picked someone from a mario game.
I wonder how many people are more familiar with a Goomba than with someone like Sonic.
to be fair I assume most lists would do it like that. Otherwise you just end up with a top 10 list of the top 1 franchise.
@@Wyzai And those franchises would probably be Mario, Minecraft… and fucking Fortnite I guess.
About the Camera thing. I think one could make an analog to Game of Thrones here.
Danny forgot about the Iron Fleet, and it cost her a dragon.
If the writers screwed up even more than they already did, and completely omitted the Iron Fleet from S8, that would then mean Danny's decision wouldn't cost her a dragon. That doesn't make her smarter though. The information she's working off of, from the previous seasons, where the iron fleet is present, should still have her account for it. She'd be equally as dumb in this scenario as she was in the actual show, even if the reprocussions were lesser.
Thank fck they where able to drag ER back to EFAP. I adore the round eyed black Cnt!
You know, before the stream, i did play H1 and H2 a bit but it never really was part of my childhood.
at around the 5th hour, rags mentioned the halo 3 "believe" and "remember reach" commercials, and i finally decided to give the trilogy a go and be more involved
i'm back and i now have a seething hatred of what they have done to the franchise, the commercials and the perfect ending for H3 was so incredibly powerful and dripping with stellar writing, care and reverence to people who embodied the title of "hero" all the way until the end with unwavering determination, that seeing it get shat on so violently like that, I lack the words to describe the kind of rampant recklessness and stupidity those sad excuses of writers they are.
There i am, visiting a 13-year old franchise, and i still manage to get how incredible that experience must've been back then. I missed something phenomenal, at least i get to understand its greatness.
Don't forget to play ODST! Best in the series. Make sure to avoid Reach: the worst in the series.
They hired a wood plank to play MC to "give him more emotion" instead of hiring any successful voice actor to do a better job for cheaper and keep the helmet on
Wait, if a soldier like a spartan had an emotional suppression chip (I hate that plot point but let’s put that aside for now)
Wouldn’t removing it just unlock 2-3 decades of traumatic PTSD? Like thousand-yard stare, horrifying nightmares-type PTSD
I’m not saying that’s the story that should have went with, I’m just pointing out that taking out that chip shouldn’t result in John Halo walking around appreciating art for the first time or whatever, instead, it would more likely result in a ww1 “shell shock” sort of reaction
The coin flip thing from the books made me think that he was super preceptive. Which is why he called it every time halsey flipped it. So she picked him. I didnt realize they interpreted as he is controlling the coin.
She only flipped the coin once in the book and gave it to him when he won the game by guessing correctly, but otherwise, I agree with you. That's almost exactly how I read that scene in Halo: the Fall of Reach.
It seemed to me that the point being put across by Nylund was that John was surprisingly perceptive and lightning-fast even as a child. It was to such a degree that he managed to 'measure' the rotation in a split second and grab the coin at the right time to make it land on heads. Halsey suspected that this was the case, but that thought seemed so absurd - that a 6 year old boy defeated a game of chance through a natural hand-eye coordination that the best jugglers in the world would envy. She wrote it off as John tried to do what I just described, but luck did some of the work. She kept a note of it in her mind as a bit of an X-factor to John.
Then Frank O'Conner's type took it as literal metaphysical luckiness tied to John as if John is the avatar of Fortuna herself in the world of Halo and that John canonically has shonen level plot armor in universe. And now, the writers for this show seem to have taken that silly idea one step further by having him magically change reality so that coins can only land on heads in his vicinity.
An important detail (haven't read the books, referring to the show) would be that it lands on HEADS every time. The chances of that is 1 in 1024. If it were a matter of preception, he would just be guessing correctly, but guessing heads eleven times in a row AND BEING CORRECT implies more than just preception, it implies reality bending or telekinesis or something. Fuck if I know. Doubt the showrunners do either.
You all need to read Ringworld. It inspires so much of Halo, and not just the obvious namesake. This will sound weird, but luck is very important to that story.
@@ionbing2884 I think you missed the point of my comment. There is no excess of luck supporting the main characters, which drives the plot of Halo. That's the basis of my comment (if anything, the characters are mildly unlucky, like Keyes successfully spotting the cloaked elite in the escape pod and killing him just leading to the Covenant being determined to capture, and are successful in capturing him, to discover why their special forces soldier was following him). The only reason luck is mentioned at all in modern 343 works is because of this massive flanderization of a singular point in the prequel novel, Halo: the Fall of Reach. This singular point barely adds anything but a little extra gut feeling to justify a generally logic-focused character's decision.
The budget thing and having alien antagonists is so baffling to me. Look at farscape. They had aliens in every single episode. And not just the main character aliens, but also weird background creatures and shit. They were all over the damn place! And there were action sequences in every single episode, sometimes multiple action sequences in each episode. And that show was running 20+ episodes per season for Four seasons (plus a miniseries!) You telling me a show that is only eight episodes or so a season can't handle the budget for a few semi-decent PlayStation 3 level characters or some fucking Muppets?
Edit: also, I just checked. "Halo: Forward Unto Dawn" had a $10million budget and was 5 episodes.
Why would we spend money on making entertaining media? All that investment capital will surely last forever, we just need to churn out more SCHLOP and it doesn't matter if anyone actually pays to watch it, we'll just harvest more investor cash! We can even spend all that spare production money on the producers' bank accounts! We found an INFINITE MONEY glitch bro let's milk this DRY
To be fair we barely saw the Covenant in Forward Unto Dawn either. Jackals hiding in the smoke, only one Elite, and then the Hunter where they actually went all out, and that was only like the last two episodes. The majority of it was just teenage drama bullshit that couldn't have been less interesting if it tried.
@@nagger8216 Thank you. It was classic Spielberg malarkey. I hate that people are talking it up.
“This is a sad day”
That intro killed me
Johnny Rings and Mr. Mandibles
Everyone keeps forgetting Chief grabbed the coin mid air to call heads in the book
Yeah, I think that stupid scene from that terrible Fall of Reach animated movie just convinces everybody that's how it happened. It's not, he snatched it out of the air and made it land on the side he wanted. The whole point is to show he isn't just randomly lucky, but that he makes his own luck.
Ive sorta been taking this as "if Halo 1-3 was done by 343"
man even 343 couldn't do that bad.
4 was mid and 5 was trash but I'd much rather play them than watch the halo show.
@blue-vr8dd I think that's cuz they're constrained by the first 3 games existence. If they could do what they wanted, this is what we'd get. I think Fringy is on the money when he said a lot of this show is just a natural progression of how Halo has been changing already.
so something the crew missed, Keyes isn't just alive, he is actively fighting the gravemind the entire time he has been assimilated while experiencing his mind beaing eaten from the inside out, I can't remember what the gravemind was looking for, but Keyes had some sort of info that would basically allow the flood to completely go unrestrained, and Keyes was feeding it useless information that entire time, things like his name, date of birth and other such stuff, Keyes likely didn't even know who he was at that point or why he had to keep fighting, but he did
I believe the gravemind was looking for earth's location
I find it weird that Ackerson took issues with the Spartan-IIIs getting wiped out when in Ghosts of Onyx he a) presents the Program in a more diplomatic version of just trading lives for time against the Covenant and b) I think his reaction to the first company - which was only 300 rather than the Clone Army level of numbers the show has - basically amounted to "Oh no... anyway." (As an edit, it does go deeper than that but it was still a case that the war was so desperate that Humanity needed any advantages it could get and Ackerson viewed any sacrifices as worth it as long as the objective was completed successfully).
Apparently the show's writers weren't content with performing character assassinations on characters from the games this season...
They weren’t jsut sacrificial soldiers.
The company of 300 killed tot he last took out a major base of operations into human space which bought a lot of time for humanity.
Hence why he didn’t take the loss that bad.
@@theliato3809 oh yeah, forgot to mention that the Spartan-IIIs survived longer per mission during Ghosts of Onyx (I think in the first mssion, the Spartans spent days sabotaging their target before getting wiped out). And combining the impact of Operations Prometheus and Torpedo with other battles such as the operations leading up to them, Headhunter missions and those undertaken by teams like Noble, it would be interesting to see how much shorter the Human-Covenant War would have been. Meanwhile, I doubt destroying a single fleet would do much when the Covenant had dozens if not hundreds at their disposal and were close to discovering Earth... if the mission had been to activate the spike within range of High Charity then it might be a different story.
Even Ackerson was concerned that they needed to spend their lives doing something. He was calculating, not outright flippant with lives. Under less time pressure, they'd probably been able to acquit themselves better. Remember that each of these "suicide missions" even had extraction vehicles planned and sent out for them. If the targets werent so difficult, the Spartan 3's could've always survived to fight another day.
He himself ended up sacrificing his brother and his own life, to get MAC targeting data onto a Prophet's ship. Sure, it wasn't Truth's. But still, his overall theme was on calculated sacrifice.
@@AlphaAurora Again true, even though it was just building off of the war crimes of Halsey, they were some of the most crucial missions of the war to slow down the Covenant (and if Mjolnir was as easy to mass produce as it is in the 343 era, then they could've been the most effective tool of the war) and the plan for the wider company was likely to just send them against impossible target after impossible target for as long as possible, while using the best of the best in more traditional Spartan roles which showed how desperate the war was becoming/how relentless the Covenant were even within the first 5 or 6 years of it, let alone by the time it ended in 2552... unlike the TV Show where they just get sent to take out one of probably a few hundred fleets the Covenant had.
Although if I remember Uprising correctly, Ackerson was trying to save his brother by telling the Covenant of a fake artefact so that they wouldn't glass the area of Earth he was from, and his brother then decided to sacrifice himself to take out the Prophet in question.
I'm convinced that if 343 had been the one to make Halo instead of Bungie (this is based off of the fact that Kiki Wolfkill was executive producer for season 2) this is what Halo would have been. Halo really doesn't deserve this level of bastardization and like Fringy said it's gotten so bad over the years that a modern Halo fan is hard to define. I'd personally argue why Halo continues to stay niche is because, whatever fanbase that remains for Halo continues to praise garbage products like Halo Infinite and this Tv show that do nothing but polarize the fanbase like as if it's their goal to kill anything that resembles the legacy of old Bungie including fans of that legacy. The standards for Halo have dropped significantly.
ALSO! I wish they talked about how Jimmy and the gang escaped Reach as well as how Ackerson contradicted himself like 3 times when trying to convince Kai that Jimmy was a traitor because, those scenes were hilariously bad 🤣
I remember the first time I picked up an energy sword and gracefully cut through my opponents as though I was a beached Magikarp!
Strange how the series made by a company that keeps retconning stuff every Halo game is retconning stuff in the second season. I would never expect that
Maybe the EFAP crew apreciates more the adaptation argurment
The coin flip scene comes from the Fall of Reach which was written about twenty years before the show. The point it's trying to make is John makes his own luck instead of relying on chance.
... which is technically EFAP's point and problem with it: he's defying physics. Literally making luck happen out of nowhere. Also called plot armor and convenience.
@@Wyzai they claim that it is something the show invented and constantly complain about it not being in the original lore of the series. They show they are just as ignorant to the franchise they are talking about as the showrunners are. The only difference is EFAP's ignorance lies with the novels instead of the games.
Chief in the novel doesn't "make the coin go heads" he correctly guesses it repeatedly it landing both on heads and tails. The show changed the scene heavily and made it a confusing mess but doesn't imply he is breaking physics.
Chief's luck is BUNGIE's explanation for why in gameplay you will seemingly stumble onto the vehicle or weapon you need just as you need it.
2:03:54
Do you really want to know why Sgt. Johnson isn't in the show?
I guarantee it's because the showrunners thought it was too problematic when they found out in the games, Sgt. Johnson's voice actor was caucasian.
This likely caused a cascade of decisions to race swap characters for diversity, including turning a blue character white.
* cough cough* SAY WHAT?
David scully isnt white
I love it when people think they are so much smarter then the original content, and decide to remake it, and it's about a deep as a paddling pool, yeah they're so far up their own ass they can't wrap their tiny minds around this fact. It's hilarious.
I’m surprised this show got a second season despite one of the game’s co-creators saying that it was nothing like Halo.
Oof gotta love that Most Iconic character list with zero Capcom characters and two Baldurgates lol
I mean at least ONE street fighter character shoulda been there somewhere, Megaman, Leon Kennedy...?
It's awful how these days when a new entry in a franchise I love is released my first thought is "A character I like is going to die."
When X-Men 97 was announced I remember thinking "They're gonna kill off Gambit, probably," and... Yeah, I was right.
I hate modern shows.
I will probably watch this episode of EFAP 3 times this year. It’s very cathartic. I love Bungie halo. Fuck this show. Fuck 343
Love ER on EFAP, he’s my favorite black
Gee I wonder why The Act Man wasn't invited to the episode of EFAP :)
Entirely because he would crap all over this groups narrative of “muh halo show bad”
@@adamc117ActMan is the type of guy to say: "Halo was always bad, actually"
@@adamc117no, he hates the halo show too?
@@adamc117No it's because of his shit behaviour over the Az stuff, which Az explains the gist of it in a video explaining the events, which also involves Act Man breaking Maulers trust by revealing him to be a mediator between both of the parties involved against his wishes.
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0:00 Sad Day and Most Iconic Video Game Character.
24:10 Halo.
25:05 First Thoughts.
38:00 S2 Worse? and Shit Writers With Too Much Money.
41:08 Most Remembered S1 Moment.
1:07:35 Hope For Quality and Not Caring About Lore.
1:24:08 The Fall of Reach.
1:36:35 The Show Contradicting Itself.
1:44:15 Everyone's Dumb, Blind Man and It Should Be Animated.
2:05:53 Keyes' Death.
2:17:04 Vannak's Death and Normal Payoff.
2:24:17 Best Scene.
2:30:32 Mostly Nothing.
2:36:00 A Suspicious Amount of Women.
2:44:30 All Over the Place.
2:47:25 The Flood.
3:19:38 Jon Halo Vs Mr Mandibles ( Final Fight ).
3:32:05 Best Character.
3:55:30 Worst Character.
4:04:00 Plot Armour and Choosen One.
4:24:40 Where Is Halo Today? (1)
4:36:10 The Main Theme and Everyone Vs E;R.
5:00:20 Insane Characters and Halo Military.
5:07:52 Halo TV Being Worse Than the Games.
5:20:44 The Music
5:29:20 The Books, Where is Halo Now? (2) and the Future of Halo.
5:39:34 Final Thoughts, Rags Leaves, Better Halo & EFAP TV Episodes.
5:55:24 The Panel.
6:03:47 Goodbye.
"I think Halo is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills aleins and doesnt afraid of anything."
-Lesbonius
Does Lesbonius live on Lesbos Prime?
By not putting Dagoth Ur at the top of your most recognisable characters list you dishonour the Sixth House and the tribe unmourned.
I don't understand the unfettered hubris displayed by the absolute nobody writers attached to this Halo show.
"[DEI] is a pathway to many abilities one might consider... [incomprehensible]."
@@Coconut-219 what does DEI have to do with the Halo show?
@@-Azure.EXE-What a dumb question.
@@apocryphicdeath then answer it gremlin
@@-Azure.EXE- No, no one is required to spoon feed you. Especially someone to whom you didn't pose the question. If you want the answer do research. And come up with an original insult while you're at it. I've already heard all of Mauler's quips.
Everyone just do yourself a favor and read the old Halo books to bleach your brain. Throw the Expanse in there too while you're at it
“Ghosts of Onyx” and “First Strike” were AMAZING when I was in 9th grade. They absolutely still hold up well into today.
@D00dman I almost got in trouble for reading Ghosts of Oynx during work I was so invested 😅
@@aqua96870 I never had a moment like that with these books, but damn dude, the fucking shit in them is just a work of art. Grace will always have a spot in my mind from reading about how she got torn apart by the Brute Shot and learning that the SPARTANs can become nuclear bombs. That and the Banshee sniping from “First Strike” is just nuts.
@@D00dman the opening of Onyx with Lucy's last words, and Kurt as a whole is the best 👌
Oh yeah I only recently learned that apparently [threats domestic] don't like Marty-o-Donnel because his based takes on lockdown.
So now there's more reasons to love him besides the great Halo soundtrack.
I am a simple man, I see that you got Patrician on again, and I watch immediatly.
Why?
@@HerohammerStudios I like the bald man, simple as.
I too appreciate the return of _Even Longer Man_
@@MediumRareOpinionsbrief retrospective boi is agoodn
Doomguy would easily come to mind since every other space marine in gaming owes their existence to him. And DOOM is one of the most important games ever made. I honestly think Doomguy is far more iconic & influential than Master Chief.
Master Chief didn't tank the US economy for months like Doomguy did.
@@MistaHoward I'll try not to hold that against Master Chief
i am pleased; and hopeful for a season 3.
if the owners of Halo are so comfortable watching it burn and charging for it im comfortable pointing and laughing at their every failing for free.
combo multiplier since infinite has gotten infinitely worse and now those who defended everything else have to just eat how foolish they've been as they continue to defend 343.
may chaos take the world.
-that guy on the mountain
Bungie Fans 🤝 Modern Halo Fans
All five people who likes the Halo TV show:
Honestly the show is not very far off from modern Halo... Kiki Wolfkill and Frank O'Connor are behind both afterall.
Wait what?!
I didn't even realize there was a season 2 until this Stream.
Just starting this episode of efap and i swear to god if that thumbnail is the arbiter im gonna shit
Did you shit?
It's so worth to compare this to One Piece
The people who adapted Halo are so clearly embarassed by Halo and have no desire to meet the challenges of representing the setting, like dialing back on what aliens they use or removing Arbiter, while One Piece bend over backwards to make every stupid AH thing work
@blueblazer9991 It helps that both the writers, cast and crew alongside Oda were in alignment. They knew they had to get it right and Oda himself was a guard dog over the series. Heck he took a break from the manga to directly supervise over the series and order rewrites if it didn’t work. He owns the IP so his word goes. All in all, it was a pretty solid series. I prefer the manga and anime but on its own merits it was solid.
Had the Halo series been good on its own merits we’d be having a different discussion. But since these modern creatives are such narcissists and insecure; we get crap like Halo.
Also Halo has been creatively dead for years.
TLOU and One Piece: full original-writer cooperation
Halo and Cowboy Bebop: some intern's bullshit
@@samwallaceart288
Well, TLOU show was worse off with Druckmann working on it
Oda would pull out a frying pan and whack them if they tried to go agaisnt his vision
@@Avarn388 "were in alignment" is a very soft way to say "Oda put in the contract that he had to greenlight everything or they can pound sand".
What's worse is DS9 implies that Section 31 might not even exist. It might just be a fabrication invented by this one resourceful and manipulative guy. Now they want it to carry a whole show.
This game character list is a Snoy list. Cause there's just so many of their characters higher on the list then they should be
The argument that people can't relate to aliens is such a lazy mindset, especially for sci-fi writters. Does anyone remember the movie "Enemy Mine" with Dennis Quade and Louis Gosset Jr.? LGj played an asexeual, pincone-faced, reptilian alien that you, as the audience, come to love along with Quade's character. But then, that's what good writers do.
Great film. Watched it once on a whim without knowing much of anything about it, and was really surprised in a good way. I was expecting your standard campy sci-fi space battler, but I got a moving character drama.
1:50:56 I can attest to this. I'm disabled. I have a tumor in my leg. I find a lot of these portrayals of disabled people in modern media very condescending and insulting. The most ridiculous one for me was the Spider-Woman swinging around while still in a wheelchair from Across the Spider Verse. That's high up there on the list of most Preposterous things I've ever seen.
how is that condescending or insulting? asking out of curiosity
@blue-vr8dd The idea that disabled people are just as capable as people who aren't disabled is insulting because it ignores the reality that disabled people have to live with. Many of the people who go for that angle tend to want to advocate for disabled people without actually understanding them.
@Brandon_Powell
weird I saw this then cos I literally did just have a conversation with a friend of mine about this. I think your case for spider-verse is kinda weak though, no? that chick was in it for like 5 seconds with one joke💀
I do agree, though. inclusion and diversity nowadays is about glazing the social media mob of people that aren't actually apart of that group, but just want to be offended to make themselves feel like a good person or because they're just that insecure. it's about making everyone look equal physical and mentally, but when it comes to disabilities, it literally just isn't the case. not that every autistic person needs a fucking carer, but there clearly are people that need an extra step or helping hand, that can't function in society or need a watchful eye to ensure they do safely.
@@blue-vr8dd There is a lot of painting large groups of people with the same brush going on. You're right. It's all just virtue signaling.
It would be lovely if people stopped trying to introduce their own stories unrelated to a franchise into a franchise.
This should be a laughably easy story to write, even if you wanted a whole season to be a prequal to the original Halo. I can only conclude they hire people who are bad deliberately and greenlight scripts that are garbage because that is what they want. Theres no way anyone is this inconsistent unless it is intentional.
The 'military' parts of this show are the worst though, because anyone who has PLAYED Halo can do tactics better than what was presented.
This is legitimately the first time Little Big Planet has entered my thoughts in probably ten years. Let's put fuckin' Buck Bumble on the list while we're at it.
I will watch every episode that you bring Pat on for, truly Patrician Tier, also Private sessions would be great to have as well.
Ellie and Nathan drake aren't iconic at all. If I showed my mom a screenshot from the game and said who is this she'd just say "a female character".
I would say they are iconic, just not that iconic.
Agreed. I couldn't pick Nathan Drake by image alone yet there are many games I've never played where i could instantly know the character from a single image.
I love the coin flip discussion with E;r. Its the Halo version of soft/hard magic discussion in RoP😂
4:11:09 the Jimmy Rings luck thing is actually part of the lore but is taken from Ringworld, among some other obvious things
1:30:50 Fringy, I have a Freakazoid quote that explains the rationalization of the cut: “I probably blew the show’s entire animation budget on that _one_ fight!”
Astarion in the top 20 made me laugh. I recently started playing the game and I killed the guy almost instantly cause it was the most logical thing to do considering what happens in the camp (those who played it know what I mean). I've now played 84 hours, and he's been dead for likely 82 of those. What an ICON! 😂😂😂
BG3 has pretty good characters, but they're not on the level of being top 10 or 100 iconic. Also I'd take issue with the definition of "iconic": I feel like a character can only be iconic if they represent the franchise, like Mickey Mouse. BG3 I think all the characters are fairly even. I'd put Geralt from Witcher above all of them as an icon.
@@Wyzai I disagree an BG3 characters being good (most of them), but that's subjective. But yeah, my point was that "iconic" doesn't mean good, it's more about relevance and being recognizable, beyond the year(s) the game is out and those who loved it. And it's pretty hard to consider iconic a guy that you might know nothing about even if you actually played the game... 😂
Geralt is a good exception, but it's pretty hard for a true RPG to have iconic characters cause the protagonist tends to be a custom player avatar. So what's left are villains and companions. To me Irenicus, Aribeth de Tylmarande, Minsc, Morrigan, Leliana, etc are more recognizable than most in the list, but I know that's not the case for the vast majority of people, even gamers.
Considering Halo is Mootal's favourite show - I'm surprised he wasn't on this one.
A surprise to be sure but a wlecome one.
Jk, love ya Mootlo!
Baldurs gate gettin' way overrated at this point.
Recency bias plus it ticks the "correct" boxes.
good game, good characters. Not the best game ever. Definitely not the most famous. I'd be curious if any non-gamers even heard of it.
24:00 Not a single Mortal Kombat character on the list despite decades of games, crossovers and movies? Raiden, Lui Kang, Sub-Zero, Scorpion? Anyone?
The discussion about how the show handled the "coin flip" really bothered me, so I went back to review how it went down in The Fall of Reach. Halsey approaches John and asks if he can pick which side the coin lands on. John grabs the quarter out of the air just before it hits the ground and correctly declares that, ironically enough, the "Tails" side is showing (it's the eagle holding arrows instead of the man's face). There is no repeat test. Certainly not the coin landing on the same side 11 times in a row.
Halsey chalks it up to either John being perceptive enough to spot which side was up when he grabbed it, or else fast enough to grab it at a time when he saw that the eagle was currently up. She later describes John to Keyes as one of the "lucky" ones, which earns him a spot in the SPARTAN-II program.
They could have referenced, even reinforced, that theory by having him correctly call the flip 11 times, without it being heads every time. The explanation would be that because of his genetic makeup that landed him on Halsey's radar in the first place, he had exceptionally sharp eyes and fast reflexes, enabling him to correctly spot the correct side of the coin, regardless of which it was.
Instead, this really does feel like they're trying to set up a "Jimmy Rings can manipulate probability" superpower a la Domino for the X-men.
I was about to ask why actman isn't here but i forgot the drama 😂
I dont even have helldivers but hearing the music made me want the game. It reminds me massively of the first time I heard the elden ring main theme. Goosebumps.
It's a good thing Wolf wasn't present for this discussion, that would have been a tragic way to waste his sanity and I need him healthy for the arcane and house of the dragon streams
Yeah I miss wolf but like you said we gotta save up his mind and soul for Arcane
I think he did talk about the series when playing Sekiro.
Been going through hard times. You make me laugh. Thank you for your work.