Thanks for expanding the range of your content, Rich! Many of us have been inspired by and benefitted from all that you have shared. At 70 I am still progressing as a rider. As my body slowly degrades my skill set improves. Too cool! Riding serious terrain 3-4 days a week year round has kept me happy and alive.
Excellent info, thanks for this ... the #1 reason I would pick one of these up is the lack of engine noise. I could build up some obstacles near the house without pissing off my neighbors - which means I can get out on the bike *way* more often since I don't need to make a big event out of getting seat time with loading / unloading / driving to a dedicated riding area. That would be massive!
Absolutely right. And this is why I bought myself the ePure Sport 2024 last week! Can’t wait to ride it this fall cause we’re in snow in in Quebec now!
Thanks Rich! Sad you get so much hate about electric, I’m excited for them. The thought of not having an internal combustion engine is liberating! No worrying about valve clearances or top end rebuilds, not burning yourself on the exhaust etc, no oil changes! And no fuel! Not having cancer causing fuel around kids is a real bonus. I’ll always love internal combustion, and there’ll always be a place for it as far as I can tell, but I’m also excited about something just and fun but so much easier to live with!
It makes me super excited to hear the EM bikes might be getting gears! i think woods models bikes could greatly benefit from having 2 to 4 gears so that you can have that super low end for enduro/trials, but still be able hit the high gears and haul butt in the open areas. I have really wanted the EM Escape R with the seat, mainly the clutch drawing me to it. But the one limit that holds me back is the low top speed. I wan't a fully versatile bike! If only the Varg or a future model had a clutch and a couple gears. what a fun enduro/cross country bike that would be!
Great review! I am hopeful that electric dirt bikes get better, and more popular. Reason 1. I think it will bring more riders into the sport. 2. I hope it will open up more riding areas, with electric bikes much quieter than gas powered. This will be good for the sport we all love so much. For what its worth, I ride a beta 200 race edition. Love my Beta!!!!
Excellent comments about being able to appreciate or LOVE more than one thing (type of bike/engine/etc). AND, just because someone likes/prefers type "A" does not invalidate someone else's preference (or love of) type "B"! ..... I've always been a 2t guy... and long ago, one of the things I really liked about 4t offroad bikes was that they were quieter than a comparable 2t..... But, for years now, the only kind of bike (stock, anyway) you could quietly creep through the woods on was a 2t.... perhaps before long it will be the domain of the e-dirtbike!
Appreciate the enthusiasm for the electric here. With regard to the cost comparison vs. battery longevity, I would say to remove "top end" for a gas bike from any consideration. I don't know anyone who has needed to do one except for very old (20+ years) trials bikes. Even when ridden hard and put away wet, this is just not needed usually. Trials bikes are surprisingly durable. The battery is definitely the weak point of the EM or any electric bike for longevity compared to gas.
So good to have a review on the base model.Thank you for keeping it real, cost nowadays determines life’s luxuries and these bikes aren’t cheap. I want one, especially now as the abrupt power delivery seems to have been erased with new mapping. Awesome skills buddy.
I know it's not the same in many ways, but still. I sold my ICE enduro bike and bought Surron Ultra Bee and cannot be happier (until someone like Yamaha does their own version with KYB suspension :D). I get far more confident on the trails, can tackle far harder problems. I'm liberated from the need to clutch and to disbalance myself with gear shifting or rear braking. And I need less maintenance to do.
yeeesssss!! I'v been salivating for more '24 EM content. This is awesome! There is just so little content on the technical aspects and differences on these bikes and how they ride. I'd love to see how you are able to maneuver the Escape R in a trials setting as well! I'm going to have to go with the Escape, since I still want to do longer trail riding as well. Love all the riding action in your videos!
Rich, don't cycle your battery like that. Short charges are much better long term than long ones. Recharge at every opportunity. Ideally you want to keep it just under 90%. So every 2hr ride, start at 90%, ride down to 40% and recharge back to 90%. You'll maintain battery capacity for much longer that way.
EM charger, at least the ones I got, does not have a feature to select lower target charge percentage. Kind of a bummer, I would mostly charge it to 70-80% and discharge to 50, that'd keep the battery in good shape practically forever.
@@dmitryakhutin1611 Once you get a sense of how long a charge takes, you can just put it on the charger a certain amount of time before riding (like an hour before leaving), so you'll hit close to that capacity. As long as it doesn't get stored below 30%, shouldn't be a problem.
@@dmitryakhutin1611 That's unfortunate. I have a great after market Surron charger where you can vary the amps from 2-12 amps and set the final charge target to 80/90/100%. Hopefully somebody will make a similar charger for the EM bikes. It's great being able to just set and forget at 80% and if I have the time turn the amps way down for a healthier charge.
I ride a beta 500rrs. I recently bought an e-ride pro ss. I've gotta admit, the ebike is pretty awesome. It makes smaller areas seem bigger. I'm down with anything 2 wheels and a motor. I love 2 strokes, 4 strokes, and e bikes. Guys with the "my engine only" complex, can eat one.
Great review! Thank you!.. I’ve been waiting for a rider like you to do a review on this bike!.. I’m Currently riding a Evo 300 4t but want one of these too!
Most EVs are subsidized and each subsidy scheme is different for each country. So its very hard to compare their value. This is an interesting bike with a comparable price. Thank you for the reviews and insight.
I really enjoy my ‘22 Race, with it I can practice at my small backyard without disturbing neighbors and in my garage with closed doors. Having EM doesn’t prevent me from having KTM 300 2T for woods riding as well.
I appreciate these EM videos-- you are giving some honest feedback without the hype and being realistic about usage. I hope to get a Race or comp one day soon, one of the biggest factors for me over ICE is I can hop logs in my backyard at 10pm all I want without the neighbours complaining. Quick nighttime jaunts to drainage ditches and the like are great fun, and not feasible with a 2/4 stroke. So glad they finally came out with the app for configuring the bike-- it was a whole new ball game on the Surron after getting an aftermarket controller and being able to tweak everything from regen braking, power levels, to throttle curves and ramp times-- the works! This lack of configurability I saw as a big downside to EM previously.
Great review again. Happy to finally see a EM ePure Sport 2024 review. All reviews are about the Race model so far! You make me feel good about my purchased EM Sport 2024, have not ridden it yet (winter here in Quebec) but will ride soon in spring. And the main reason for choosing EM was the QUIET ride so my neibours don’t hate me! First Trial bike for me.
Electric is just so much fun. I’ve been building electric bikes 4 years or so and just absolutely love the performance of electric. I’ve ridden gas bikes for over 30 years, and I can confidently say I much prefer electric in almost every single situation.
Thanks for another great review.... or well, just sharing your thoughts! For years I'm saying trial riders are more introvert types whereas moto cross dudes are the extrovert folks. Nothing good or bad, but a great observation indeed!
It’s super exciting to see the e bike world evolve. I’ll never get rid of my 350 but I’d ditch my 110 for an e-bike in a heart beat. My neighbors would certainly appreciate it. I’m watching the sur-ron type trail bike market sector. Every time I come close to buying one, a new bike like that comes out with more better specs. I’m waiting until we hit a point of diminishing returns on them
Ive been on the fence about selling my '23 txt 300. Less than 30hrs on it. I did all the same math as you with battery cycles etc. Chances are those batteries would run a lot more than 1000cycles just with less range. Usually a battery capacity rating is cycles before reaching 80% capacity. Im really curious what would actually break first on those bikes. If you did 500hrs with only the potential wire rub issue, that's really promising. The other costs with gas are 2cycle oil and gas. You prob pay 18c per kw/hr on the EM which is NOTHING. There's a lot of undeniable pros to the electric. My ONLY concern is that top end follow through you talk about, and the transition back and forth to the gas hard enduro bike. Trials bikes are already flat up top. Makes me wonder if I should wait for the gearbox version. we see we see! thanks for the vid
Great review! Completely agree with your comment... if I'm for "this", it ONLY means I'm for "this"! That's it! It shouldn't put you under any umbrella or general dogma. And... please come do a clinic in San Diego! Please!
There is nothing I want more than an electric enduro bike that rides identical to a modern day 300 😂 Just the amount of extra trails you’d have access to is reason enough to go electric I’ll keep patiently waiting for that 😅
The gas powered bike would get past on, maybe up to 5 times to those who can't afford a new bike. The electric would need charging more often as it gets order.
From the amount of time that I’ve put on the previous EMs, which is quite a bit. I never lost any battery charge. That being said, after 1000 cycles it would probably lose charge. But as I said in the video at the rate I ride, that would take 7 1/2 years. The maintenance on a gas bike in 7 1/2 years would probably equal out to the same as a new battery. It’s definitely an interesting thing to think about. Thanks for watching!
I bought a 23 last summer. The price is a bit higher indeed, but to me it feels like I bought 3 bikes for that price thanks to the software mapping. My son is learning trials, and the green mode is all he's allowed, just to keep power a bit down. I usually ride blue, but am not yet brave enough to ride red 😂.
Electric will preserve and perhaps even OPEN more riding areas. In my experience, most of what people hate about motorsports are the noise. "Trail destruction" is an issue that can be actively mitigated and prevented by building smart, sustainable trails. And this is an effort led by so many riders, clubs, and other organizations around the US. So any argument of "forest destruction" by environmentalists is not a very strong one. But the NOISE is something that can't be improved on high performance gas bikes (or at least it hasn't improved yet). I love my TM 300 2T. It is also very loud when you get on the pipe, even wish a freshly packed silencer. But I will happily own an electric bike for practice and trail riding and even replace my race bike with an electric race bike once the battery tech improves.
I had an older version that I would like to update, mine had these AWESOME fork guards on them that were made out of Kydex, I cannot find where to find them anywhere they looked like Carbon and saved me $$$ in fork damage, anyone have any idea where to find these ???
You mention preferring a 24 Sport over a 23 Race primarily for the new mappings. My understanding is that the ECU in a 23 Race can be updated to provide EM Connect support like a 24 Race, and therefore allow customizations of the maps. Assuming that is correct would that change your opinion? Are the settings available via EM Connect all that it takes to "get the new mappings" and thereby make a 23 Race mapped the same as 24 or is there more to it than that? Thanks!
very interesting, thank you. attracted but not convinced about longevity: whatever why you consider, a petrol bike can last forever, tens and tens of years. sure you’ll need a top end now and then (not every 150h unless you’re competing), but whats the alternative with an em? How much is a new battery? Prob as mush as a new bike…
Any chance you can get a Mecatechno Dragonfly for a test ? Trials is definitely the best use case for electric - at the moment. Do EM bring the XR (enduro) into the US ?
I hope you don’t have a mobile phone, electric toothbrush, electric power tools and so on. Fires are very rare and normally due to someone messing with things or using the wrong equipment.
it is lifepo4, nothing to do with lithium past generation... I crashed some lifep4 on enduro bike, i opened a couple, some of the sandwich pack were half destroyed or compressed or cut. No problem. Here I guess they use the usual pile of cylindric usual lifepo4 elements, so even more mechanically resistant. check a wiki on the topic ;)
Electric makes sense with Enduro or trail riding as well. With motocross electric is at a disadvantage because of the range, but certainly not the performance.
@@eastwood111 I think it's quite the opposite. Trail riding can go over long distances and last a long time, while motocross sessions are likely short enough for the battery to last and then get some charge in between sessions.
I ended up trying out, and purchasing, an EM EPure Race after watching your first video about the EM. Now I barely ride my Beta trials bike. The only reason I have not sold the Beta is so I have a second bike for friends when they want to try trials. I find that the EM is really easy to get on when I only have a few minutes to ride/practice. Plus I have been using it nearly daily this winter in my garage. Thanks for pointing me towards the EM.
Love to see you get an opportunity to ride another e-trials bike, the Mecatechno Dragonfly and hear what the difference may be between these the two bikes
Hello Rich, thank you very much for the great content. I'm Thorsten from Germany and bought the Epure Race 2021 model. I have no trial or enduro experience. I have seen your video on clutch control. This can also be implemented well on my Tuareg 660. However, the Epure Race with clutch control behaves a little differently, as the flywheel revs up quickly, even if you give it very little throttle. Can you make a video about throttle and clutch control with the Epure? That would be great. Thank you very much and good luck with your channel
The trick is to go with a heavier tire than the stock michelins. Many EM riders switch to the Dunlop 803 as these are heavier and counteract the extreme power of the motor.
Also great for practicing around the neighbor without pissing off most of your neighbors. I expect battery tech will be much better in a few years too.
Just a little bit of information to keep your battery running thousands of cycles instead of only 1,000 cycles: 1st, just a note: it's 1,000 full cycles (from very low to 100%) before it hits 80% capacity. You can still keep riding it well after that mark, it just has 80% of the range after that. 2nd. You can avoid a lot of this range loss by charging up to around 70-80% and only depleting the battery to around 30-40%. That will make the battery last thousand of cycles without losing 20% of your range or ride time. My longest-lasting ebike battery was 12 years old before I finally sold it early last year. No problems with it ever and very little range loss, riding it basically every day for those 12 years. That was a street electric bicycle but the battery works exactly the same way that these do. I'm sure I put over 4,000 cycles through that battery and I was getting only a couple to a few miles less than when i purchased it. I think about 5-10% loss in range. I hope this is helpful!
You answered many of the questions I had about these. Currently I don’t have a trials bike but have ridden Montessas. It’s this one or that one for me. Thanks for the education, and your fair and humble knowledge.
This is a great video and kudos for keeping clear of the politics of electric vehicles. Personally I hate to be let down by anything electric, whether it’s a power tool or a car. However, I concede power tools are so good now not needing a cord and the batteries are getting really good. Do I think battery powered riding mowers are the answer? No there are jobs too big for modern day battery powered tools. So…in conclusion, battery powered machines can be a great option when the application is right. At this point, a battery powered enduro bike doesn’t make sense to me. And I think before batteries ever get good enough, a new technology will take over our machines. I think internal combustion isn’t obsolete yet. Take a look at the Japanese ammonia powered internal combustion engines.
Great video. I heard about problems with the battery when you dont use the bike for 3 month. Single cells could die. They are replaceable but probably not a diy job.
The map thing is interesting and I'm surprised there isn't the ability to simply update the software on the bike. Most of those controllers are programmable. The Epure Race apparently allows you to use a phone app to tune some basic settings to create custom maps, hopefully that functionality makes its way to the rest of the range. Also... 1000 cycles at 4 hours of ride time per cycle is 4000 hours of ride time. Even if you only get half that, it's still a TON of hours. I think 99% of all enduro and trials bikes out there are well under 1000 hours before they're retired for good.
So apparently you can download the app and adjust the maps on this new model. I didn’t know that until after this video was done. That being said, I completely agree with you 99% will get well under 1000 hours on a trial bike!
Thanks for the video Rich. Do you feel a difference in peak power from a fully charged battery vs nearly empty battery? If EM doesn't account for this in the design, i could see that being a potential downside when comparing to ICE. You've certainly opened my eyes to how great these elecetric EM's are!
Amazing review Richard as you said there is a big improvement in mappings from one year to the other. After enjoying my e pure race 2021 I think it is time for an upgrade and soon I will order an e pure race 2024. The new factor -e looks amazing but I think I don't really need a gearbox. No problems at all with my 2021. For me a trials bike that never stops on narrow corners is ... INCREDIBLE, plenty of power, good balance, incredible traction on any situation...😂. Thanks for your review again. 👍
Do you really look down on his choice of bike this much? Do you not think his reasoning makes sense even if you'd never personally get an electric bike? Also why use middle-school tier insults instead of just respectfully stating where you disagree?
You are actually asking, go to an enduro race or an MX race, and you will understand. Also on a trial bike MX or Enduro bike , there is also other forces involved in the centrifugal force generated in the action of the piston , crank etc , that makes bikes be able to move their center of gravity momentarily to get up and over a steep section, or log etc . Go watch some Graham Jarvis videos to understand
@@Enduro-Life Thanks for the response, but I'm still not sure I completely understand. For the part where you say to go to an event in person, I'm assuming you're talking about the sounds, and that's fair enough. I'm more confused about the second part. Could you explain in more detail what role piston/crank play in manipulating the bike, or could you point me to a resource that does?
Thanks for expanding the range of your content, Rich! Many of us have been inspired by and benefitted from all that you have shared. At 70 I am still progressing as a rider. As my body slowly degrades my skill set improves. Too cool! Riding serious terrain 3-4 days a week year round has kept me happy and alive.
I appreciate that! Thanks for the support! Keep shredding!
Excellent info, thanks for this ... the #1 reason I would pick one of these up is the lack of engine noise. I could build up some obstacles near the house without pissing off my neighbors - which means I can get out on the bike *way* more often since I don't need to make a big event out of getting seat time with loading / unloading / driving to a dedicated riding area. That would be massive!
Absolutely right. And this is why I bought myself the ePure Sport 2024 last week! Can’t wait to ride it this fall cause we’re in snow in in Quebec now!
Eletric Bikes are fun just like gas bikes but the torque is what makes them so fun. Definitely improved my riding in many ways.
Thanks Rich! Sad you get so much hate about electric, I’m excited for them. The thought of not having an internal combustion engine is liberating! No worrying about valve clearances or top end rebuilds, not burning yourself on the exhaust etc, no oil changes! And no fuel! Not having cancer causing fuel around kids is a real bonus. I’ll always love internal combustion, and there’ll always be a place for it as far as I can tell, but I’m also excited about something just and fun but so much easier to live with!
It makes me super excited to hear the EM bikes might be getting gears! i think woods models bikes could greatly benefit from having 2 to 4 gears so that you can have that super low end for enduro/trials, but still be able hit the high gears and haul butt in the open areas.
I have really wanted the EM Escape R with the seat, mainly the clutch drawing me to it. But the one limit that holds me back is the low top speed. I wan't a fully versatile bike! If only the Varg or a future model had a clutch and a couple gears. what a fun enduro/cross country bike that would be!
Great review! I am hopeful that electric dirt bikes get better, and more popular. Reason 1. I think it will bring more riders into the sport. 2. I hope it will open up more riding areas, with electric bikes much quieter than gas powered. This will be good for the sport we all love so much. For what its worth, I ride a beta 200 race edition. Love my Beta!!!!
Completely agree!!
Excellent comments about being able to appreciate or LOVE more than one thing (type of bike/engine/etc). AND, just because someone likes/prefers type "A" does not invalidate someone else's preference (or love of) type "B"! ..... I've always been a 2t guy... and long ago, one of the things I really liked about 4t offroad bikes was that they were quieter than a comparable 2t..... But, for years now, the only kind of bike (stock, anyway) you could quietly creep through the woods on was a 2t.... perhaps before long it will be the domain of the e-dirtbike!
Thanks for the support! I appreciate the comment! Glad you enjoyed it!
Appreciate the enthusiasm for the electric here. With regard to the cost comparison vs. battery longevity, I would say to remove "top end" for a gas bike from any consideration. I don't know anyone who has needed to do one except for very old (20+ years) trials bikes. Even when ridden hard and put away wet, this is just not needed usually. Trials bikes are surprisingly durable. The battery is definitely the weak point of the EM or any electric bike for longevity compared to gas.
I’ve done a few top ends and know multiple riders who do them every 100 hours. Thanks for watching!
That was extremely well-worded. Great video and great information!
So good to have a review on the base model.Thank you for keeping it real, cost nowadays determines life’s luxuries and these bikes aren’t cheap. I want one, especially now as the abrupt power delivery seems to have been erased with new mapping. Awesome skills buddy.
I know it's not the same in many ways, but still. I sold my ICE enduro bike and bought Surron Ultra Bee and cannot be happier (until someone like Yamaha does their own version with KYB suspension :D).
I get far more confident on the trails, can tackle far harder problems.
I'm liberated from the need to clutch and to disbalance myself with gear shifting or rear braking.
And I need less maintenance to do.
Wait for the Factor-e! 🚀⚡💪🔝
yeeesssss!! I'v been salivating for more '24 EM content. This is awesome! There is just so little content on the technical aspects and differences on these bikes and how they ride. I'd love to see how you are able to maneuver the Escape R in a trials setting as well! I'm going to have to go with the Escape, since I still want to do longer trail riding as well. Love all the riding action in your videos!
Rich, don't cycle your battery like that. Short charges are much better long term than long ones. Recharge at every opportunity. Ideally you want to keep it just under 90%. So every 2hr ride, start at 90%, ride down to 40% and recharge back to 90%. You'll maintain battery capacity for much longer that way.
Right on, Great tip! Will do! This Electric stuff is new to me!
EM charger, at least the ones I got, does not have a feature to select lower target charge percentage. Kind of a bummer, I would mostly charge it to 70-80% and discharge to 50, that'd keep the battery in good shape practically forever.
@@dmitryakhutin1611 Once you get a sense of how long a charge takes, you can just put it on the charger a certain amount of time before riding (like an hour before leaving), so you'll hit close to that capacity. As long as it doesn't get stored below 30%, shouldn't be a problem.
@@dmitryakhutin1611 That's unfortunate. I have a great after market Surron charger where you can vary the amps from 2-12 amps and set the final charge target to 80/90/100%. Hopefully somebody will make a similar charger for the EM bikes. It's great being able to just set and forget at 80% and if I have the time turn the amps way down for a healthier charge.
I ride a beta 500rrs. I recently bought an e-ride pro ss. I've gotta admit, the ebike is pretty awesome. It makes smaller areas seem bigger.
I'm down with anything 2 wheels and a motor. I love 2 strokes, 4 strokes, and e bikes. Guys with the "my engine only" complex, can eat one.
Great review! Thank you!..
I’ve been waiting for a rider like you to do a review on this bike!.. I’m Currently riding a Evo 300 4t but want one of these too!
Right on! Glad you enjoyed it!
Most EVs are subsidized and each subsidy scheme is different for each country. So its very hard to compare their value. This is an interesting bike with a comparable price. Thank you for the reviews and insight.
I really enjoy my ‘22 Race, with it I can practice at my small backyard without disturbing neighbors and in my garage with closed doors. Having EM doesn’t prevent me from having KTM 300 2T for woods riding as well.
Agreed 100%
I appreciate these EM videos-- you are giving some honest feedback without the hype and being realistic about usage. I hope to get a Race or comp one day soon, one of the biggest factors for me over ICE is I can hop logs in my backyard at 10pm all I want without the neighbours complaining.
Quick nighttime jaunts to drainage ditches and the like are great fun, and not feasible with a 2/4 stroke.
So glad they finally came out with the app for configuring the bike-- it was a whole new ball game on the Surron after getting an aftermarket controller and being able to tweak everything from regen braking, power levels, to throttle curves and ramp times-- the works! This lack of configurability I saw as a big downside to EM previously.
Exactly! Glad you enjoyed the review!
'been thinking about e-trials bike for sure. As you said, in that sport it makes total sense. Great review as always.
Thanks! 👍
Great review again. Happy to finally see a EM ePure Sport 2024 review. All reviews are about the Race model so far! You make me feel good about my purchased EM Sport 2024, have not ridden it yet (winter here in Quebec) but will ride soon in spring. And the main reason for choosing EM was the QUIET ride so my neibours don’t hate me! First Trial bike for me.
Electric is just so much fun. I’ve been building electric bikes 4 years or so and just absolutely love the performance of electric. I’ve ridden gas bikes for over 30 years, and I can confidently say I much prefer electric in almost every single situation.
Right on! Thanks for the support! Anything two wheels is fine by me!
Thanks for another great review.... or well, just sharing your thoughts! For years I'm saying trial riders are more introvert types whereas moto cross dudes are the extrovert folks. Nothing good or bad, but a great observation indeed!
Hello, i hope you can have a new model factor-E, it's an amazing trial!
Thank for yours vidéos and your job
It’s super exciting to see the e bike world evolve. I’ll never get rid of my 350 but I’d ditch my 110 for an e-bike in a heart beat. My neighbors would certainly appreciate it. I’m watching the sur-ron type trail bike market sector. Every time I come close to buying one, a new bike like that comes out with more better specs. I’m waiting until we hit a point of diminishing returns on them
Totally agree!
super cool just big money operating costs are cheaper but maybe a used one for me in the future
with all that electricity onboard the least they could is put a speaker in there and make it SOUND like a motorcycle
Rich Larsen for president! 😊
You are the best, Rich! 🎉
Ive been on the fence about selling my '23 txt 300. Less than 30hrs on it. I did all the same math as you with battery cycles etc. Chances are those batteries would run a lot more than 1000cycles just with less range. Usually a battery capacity rating is cycles before reaching 80% capacity. Im really curious what would actually break first on those bikes. If you did 500hrs with only the potential wire rub issue, that's really promising. The other costs with gas are 2cycle oil and gas. You prob pay 18c per kw/hr on the EM which is NOTHING. There's a lot of undeniable pros to the electric. My ONLY concern is that top end follow through you talk about, and the transition back and forth to the gas hard enduro bike. Trials bikes are already flat up top. Makes me wonder if I should wait for the gearbox version. we see we see! thanks for the vid
The only vehicle, which makes electrical full sense. I would buy one, but Not for 10k€ Here in germany
Love your vids. Helped me a lot on techniques. Would love to see you review the tse 300 and the xtrainer 😁
Hi Rich loving the videos bought an EM Sport 2024 could you tell me what settings you have your forks set?
Great review! Completely agree with your comment... if I'm for "this", it ONLY means I'm for "this"! That's it! It shouldn't put you under any umbrella or general dogma. And... please come do a clinic in San Diego! Please!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks so much for the support!
i love my e pure comp 2023
There is nothing I want more than an electric enduro bike that rides identical to a modern day 300 😂
Just the amount of extra trails you’d have access to is reason enough to go electric
I’ll keep patiently waiting for that 😅
The gas powered bike would get past on, maybe up to 5 times to those who can't afford a new bike.
The electric would need charging more often as it gets order.
From the amount of time that I’ve put on the previous EMs, which is quite a bit. I never lost any battery charge. That being said, after 1000 cycles it would probably lose charge. But as I said in the video at the rate I ride, that would take 7 1/2 years. The maintenance on a gas bike in 7 1/2 years would probably equal out to the same as a new battery. It’s definitely an interesting thing to think about. Thanks for watching!
I bought a 23 last summer. The price is a bit higher indeed, but to me it feels like I bought 3 bikes for that price thanks to the software mapping. My son is learning trials, and the green mode is all he's allowed, just to keep power a bit down. I usually ride blue, but am not yet brave enough to ride red 😂.
Great vid!👏
Kinda reminds of my dental visit...
Electric will preserve and perhaps even OPEN more riding areas. In my experience, most of what people hate about motorsports are the noise. "Trail destruction" is an issue that can be actively mitigated and prevented by building smart, sustainable trails. And this is an effort led by so many riders, clubs, and other organizations around the US. So any argument of "forest destruction" by environmentalists is not a very strong one. But the NOISE is something that can't be improved on high performance gas bikes (or at least it hasn't improved yet). I love my TM 300 2T. It is also very loud when you get on the pipe, even wish a freshly packed silencer. But I will happily own an electric bike for practice and trail riding and even replace my race bike with an electric race bike once the battery tech improves.
Very true!! Thanks for your thoughts!
Thank for the video 🏁🏁🏁. Well said.
I had an older version that I would like to update, mine had these AWESOME fork guards on them that were made out of Kydex, I cannot find where to find them anywhere they looked like Carbon and saved me $$$ in fork damage, anyone have any idea where to find these ???
What about on "no flywheel"?
I love electric motion they are making the EV we need, my dream is to make an EV dirt bike with a clutch and transmission for hard Enduro.
You mention preferring a 24 Sport over a 23 Race primarily for the new mappings. My understanding is that the ECU in a 23 Race can be updated to provide EM Connect support like a 24 Race, and therefore allow customizations of the maps. Assuming that is correct would that change your opinion? Are the settings available via EM Connect all that it takes to "get the new mappings" and thereby make a 23 Race mapped the same as 24 or is there more to it than that? Thanks!
I haven’t been able to get the Econ connect to work yet. That being said if you could connect it to a 23 that would change my opinion.
Will you be reviewing the Escape XR anytime soon?
very interesting, thank you. attracted but not convinced about longevity: whatever why you consider, a petrol bike can last forever, tens and tens of years. sure you’ll need a top end now and then (not every 150h unless you’re competing), but whats the alternative with an em? How much is a new battery? Prob as mush as a new bike…
Any chance you can get a Mecatechno Dragonfly for a test ? Trials is definitely the best use case for electric - at the moment. Do EM bring the XR (enduro) into the US ?
x2 - would like to see a review/comparison of the Dragonfly as well! And the Yamaha TYE-2 .x IF Yamaha ever actually goes to production!!
Man that Yamaha would be maxing to test.
A comparison would be awesome.
I didn't know anyone still made a trials bike without a flanged rear wheel.
That’s one of the reasons this base model is a bit cheaper. The race comes with one
EM Escape XR
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I'll hold out until there is at least a 2-speed transmission. Otherwise, it's damn-near perfect.
I think the 4 speed will be out next year!
as long as it has all standard controls for trial I don't care if it's electric or nitrogen powered. For enduro and everything else no freaking way.
Definitely standard controls are a must!
Electric? I only ride electric when I wear my clown shoes. Get you some clown shoes for that thing.
Sounds like your riding R2D2
What gear are you riding this in? 😉
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That litho battery fire would always be on my mind.
That’s definitely one of the main arguments. Thanks for watching!
I hope you don’t have a mobile phone, electric toothbrush, electric power tools and so on. Fires are very rare and normally due to someone messing with things or using the wrong equipment.
That's reasonable. But I bet a lot of people felt that way about gasoline...
it is lifepo4, nothing to do with lithium past generation... I crashed some lifep4 on enduro bike, i opened a couple, some of the sandwich pack were half destroyed or compressed or cut. No problem. Here I guess they use the usual pile of cylindric usual lifepo4 elements, so even more mechanically resistant. check a wiki on the topic ;)
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Thanks for the info! :D -- the side shots of you talking are weird IMHO. :(
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Man, I like this guy, but he sure butchers the English language. 😆 "Let me _preference_ this by saying", "it's a _microcasm_ of"...
This says more about you than it does about me.
I think that for trials the electric makes total sense.
Definitely great for trials!
Electric makes sense with Enduro or trail riding as well. With motocross electric is at a disadvantage because of the range, but certainly not the performance.
@@eastwood111 I think it's quite the opposite. Trail riding can go over long distances and last a long time, while motocross sessions are likely short enough for the battery to last and then get some charge in between sessions.
I ended up trying out, and purchasing, an EM EPure Race after watching your first video about the EM. Now I barely ride my Beta trials bike. The only reason I have not sold the Beta is so I have a second bike for friends when they want to try trials. I find that the EM is really easy to get on when I only have a few minutes to ride/practice. Plus I have been using it nearly daily this winter in my garage. Thanks for pointing me towards the EM.
Love to see you get an opportunity to ride another e-trials bike, the Mecatechno Dragonfly and hear what the difference may be between these the two bikes
Hello Rich, thank you very much for the great content. I'm Thorsten from Germany and bought the Epure Race 2021 model. I have no trial or enduro experience. I have seen your video on clutch control. This can also be implemented well on my Tuareg 660. However, the Epure Race with clutch control behaves a little differently, as the flywheel revs up quickly, even if you give it very little throttle. Can you make a video about throttle and clutch control with the Epure? That would be great. Thank you very much and good luck with your channel
The trick is to go with a heavier tire than the stock michelins. Many EM riders switch to the Dunlop 803 as these are heavier and counteract the extreme power of the motor.
Also great for practicing around the neighbor without pissing off most of your neighbors. I expect battery tech will be much better in a few years too.
Just a little bit of information to keep your battery running thousands of cycles instead of only 1,000 cycles:
1st, just a note: it's 1,000 full cycles (from very low to 100%) before it hits 80% capacity. You can still keep riding it well after that mark, it just has 80% of the range after that.
2nd. You can avoid a lot of this range loss by charging up to around 70-80% and only depleting the battery to around 30-40%. That will make the battery last thousand of cycles without losing 20% of your range or ride time.
My longest-lasting ebike battery was 12 years old before I finally sold it early last year. No problems with it ever and very little range loss, riding it basically every day for those 12 years. That was a street electric bicycle but the battery works exactly the same way that these do. I'm sure I put over 4,000 cycles through that battery and I was getting only a couple to a few miles less than when i purchased it. I think about 5-10% loss in range.
I hope this is helpful!
You answered many of the questions I had about these. Currently I don’t have a trials bike but have ridden Montessas. It’s this one or that one for me. Thanks for the education, and your fair and humble knowledge.
Glad I could help!
Your autoQ sits way to high above the camera. It's like your talking to another guy in the room. Thats just rude! 😅
Any new regarding the Yamaha's electri trials, TY-E 2.2?
Being electronic wouldn't it be possible to update the mapping in the 23 pro to 24 specs?
Life lessons at the end, you’re the man, Rich!
(I can’t help but think it sounds like a dentist’s office 😂)
Question: Does the bike still have enough 'flywheel' to aid in static/slow speed balance or is there more effort involved? Cool Video !
Yes, it absolutely has the same flywheel feeling as a regular machine! Thanks for watching
Super, super cool bike. If I dig up a jar of gold coins, I will add one to the quiver for sure! Thanks for the review Rich.
Right on! Thanks for watching!
Are trials boots different from mx boots?
This is a great video and kudos for keeping clear of the politics of electric vehicles.
Personally I hate to be let down by anything electric, whether it’s a power tool or a car. However, I concede power tools are so good now not needing a cord and the batteries are getting really good. Do I think battery powered riding mowers are the answer? No there are jobs too big for modern day battery powered tools.
So…in conclusion, battery powered machines can be a great option when the application is right.
At this point, a battery powered enduro bike doesn’t make sense to me. And I think before batteries ever get good enough, a new technology will take over our machines. I think internal combustion isn’t obsolete yet. Take a look at the Japanese ammonia powered internal combustion engines.
Great video. I heard about problems with the battery when you dont use the bike for 3 month. Single cells could die. They are replaceable but probably not a diy job.
Awesome video Rich. I’m hoping to see you bring your Husky and EM up to Arden Ontario to ride at Gnarden 2024 !
The map thing is interesting and I'm surprised there isn't the ability to simply update the software on the bike. Most of those controllers are programmable. The Epure Race apparently allows you to use a phone app to tune some basic settings to create custom maps, hopefully that functionality makes its way to the rest of the range.
Also... 1000 cycles at 4 hours of ride time per cycle is 4000 hours of ride time. Even if you only get half that, it's still a TON of hours. I think 99% of all enduro and trials bikes out there are well under 1000 hours before they're retired for good.
So apparently you can download the app and adjust the maps on this new model. I didn’t know that until after this video was done. That being said, I completely agree with you 99% will get well under 1000 hours on a trial bike!
Thanks for the video Rich. Do you feel a difference in peak power from a fully charged battery vs nearly empty battery? If EM doesn't account for this in the design, i could see that being a potential downside when comparing to ICE.
You've certainly opened my eyes to how great these elecetric EM's are!
The peak power feels the same all the way until 20% battery then you feel it drop. I really enjoy the bike. It’s so much fun to ride.
Amazing review Richard as you said there is a big improvement in mappings from one year to the other. After enjoying my e pure race 2021 I think it is time for an upgrade and soon I will order an e pure race 2024.
The new factor -e looks amazing but I think I don't really need a gearbox. No problems at all with my 2021. For me a trials bike that never stops on narrow corners is ... INCREDIBLE, plenty of power, good balance, incredible traction on any situation...😂. Thanks for your review again. 👍
Awesome! Thanks for the support!!
If it has 2 wheels, and can get up boulders, then its cool.
My only problem with electric, is battery range, other than that keep on riding brother
Couldn’t agree more! 🙌
So u saying that you like that electric bike but still like girls too
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Only if batteries got lighter as you used the electrons
What they could do is offer a smaller lighter battery option for when you're just going out for a couple hours.
Great video :D makes me want one
Thanks for watching!
Less Brapp, more Zapp.
Haha I still like them both! 👍🙌
What a turn... 😂
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I couldn't finish the video because the noise it makes is so annoying, I guess I'll be skipping these ones.
You should introduce us to your boyfriend next video
Why the hate?
Do you really look down on his choice of bike this much? Do you not think his reasoning makes sense even if you'd never personally get an electric bike? Also why use middle-school tier insults instead of just respectfully stating where you disagree?
@@anoobhey5798 awwww poor babyyyyyy
@@DarkTideOffroad You're the one getting all worked up over a bike review???
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They suck
Why?
You are actually asking, go to an enduro race or an MX race, and you will understand.
Also on a trial bike MX or Enduro bike , there is also other forces involved in the centrifugal force generated in the action of the piston , crank etc , that makes bikes be able to move their center of gravity momentarily to get up and over a steep section, or log etc .
Go watch some Graham Jarvis videos to understand
@@Enduro-Life Thanks for the response, but I'm still not sure I completely understand. For the part where you say to go to an event in person, I'm assuming you're talking about the sounds, and that's fair enough. I'm more confused about the second part. Could you explain in more detail what role piston/crank play in manipulating the bike, or could you point me to a resource that does?