That carbuncle line hurt me. It hurt me bad. My best memories of early 14 were the times the tanks or healers died or dc'd and carby came in like the champion of clutch.
I find it odd they didn't give Phoenix's heals to Carbuncle instead, and/or make Physick change to a Carbuncle heal that actually does something. They could have also just made Carby range attack like an offensive Scholar Fairy~ I mean they kinda already did that with Bahamut.
@@malbogia8003 I’ve had time to think about the changes of summoner and overall that I don’t like it. I appreciate the simplification to it but I hate what they did to Carbuncle and using the Egi primals. I’m fortunate to have Scholar to have fall back on. And white mage because I discovered that I truly love being a healer. One day I hope to try sage and eventually perhaps Astrologian.
im personally hoping that the future of jobs becomes more lore based. i myself play White Mage and i feel like im missing a huge part of my character since we only use non aspected light spells after level 70 i want them to bring in more geomancy spells perhaps use earth aspection for defense buffs or not to take away summoning from the summoner jobs but allow us to create golems like the old White Mages of Amnapor.( sorry i spelled that heavily wrong)
yea i was thinking of new jobs that would be lore tied and one i think would be cool would be a job themed around learning ascians creation magic. you could have the role quest giver be a sundered ascians who does not know what to do now that all the unsundered are gone and zodiark is dead. you could have the jobs soul crystal be Azems crystal.
I feel like all white mage mains feel a bit salty we lost the druid-like aspects the further away from conjurer we got. Conjurer, itself, however, is a vestigial leftover from the original job system of 1.0 that was purpose built to be unique from the classic FF job systems. At this point, it feels like the same weird upgrade as Bard felt to Archer.
If they went more lore base. The Reaper Job should have been more of an offshoot of the Dark Knight. Even in the lore they made. Dark Knight used to use scythes and was more DPS base. It would have been an interesting story to play into the Dark Knight's story. Though no. They kept it separate.
Back when I started playing (2020) I actually stopped leveling White Mage when I learned they stopped using elemental magic at high level. Probably the worst designed job to me visually/logically because of that. IMO Holy shouldn't be spammable (also needs 1st effect toned down), Waterga should be their AoE spam and Stone/Aero should either remain at a high level or become Quake/Tornado. I would adore the job then. If they ever add Geomancer it'd basically be what WHM should have been. At this point it's among the 6 I haven't maxed yet. At least Summoner has cool Wind and Earth magic now and is my main currently. Need someone to revive water magic attacks though other than BLU XD Unless they gimme Leviathan.
With the events of Endwalker, I’m still hoping for some more garlean magitech jobs down the line. Gunhammers and Garlean Gunblades are now up for learning (and could reference real life use of war time weapons converted to peace time tools, or in this case converting weapons of war to weapons of adventure). Continuing the path of adapting enemy stuff, learning to master Ascian magics could be a possibility.
I think that something like a "Magitek Knight" would be cool. Especially given what we see guys like Nero, Gaius, Regula...can do with them, imagine how much more we can do with some added aether manipulation.
We can’t learn Ascian magic. It’s far beyond us. We can never come close to the potency of their magic, and we don’t have to. What we can achieve is good enough.
@@acgearsandarms1343 I'm not sure I agree. While we can't yet match the potency of Emet-Selch or Elidibus, we are currently the closest known being to an unsundered Ancient.
@@silvergrove8517 I mean it’s physically impossible. We aren’t going to rejoin anymore worlds, and no one can replicate their magics perfectly. Not likely ever. Not enough aether. Not even us.If you tried, you’re likely to injure or kill yourself. This is actually a thing in a certain point of the game. We resort to using a concept instead. Concepts are very much achievable in its stead.
@@acgearsandarms1343 you don't have to rejoin a whole world for a part of your soul to rejoin, and traveling to a shard is not a problem for us, as both were demonstrated in ShB. I don't think it will happen mind you, but it certainly is possible given the information we have so far.
I feel like another Scouting job is inevitable. Personally, I would like it to bear the Ranger name (or maybe Sentry) and be tied to Garlean magitek in our post-Endwalker Eorzea. Maybe it carries a hidden blade ala Assassin's Creed and throws out traps and gadgets made with magitek scrap.
at some point, adding new jobs like this won't be as exciting. i'm sure getting ninja as a tenth job in ARR was amazing, but imagine the job pool starts reaching 30. what kind of effect would having another two have? plus, how new jobs unlock is totally unlike how the base classes work, with level sync decreasing a job's cohesion and high unlock level decreasing its general accessibility. something will need to change eventually. not just with job design, but with much of the game's foundation in regards to leveling, quests, and job incorporation, in order to support ten more years of expansions. maybe this would even mean something similar to FFXI's subjob system, not adding new jobs, but compounding current ones in some way.
The one thing I’m missing most from Summoner of old was their abilities relating to DoTs. Mind you, I’m completely find with them being removed from Summoner for thematic purposes, but talking about reintroducing older job abilities into different/new jobs, I’m REALLY hoping they bring back that with a new DoT mage of some kind. I’ve seen people throw around Time Mage for that, but me being the FFT fan boy I am, I’d love if they brought in Arithmetician/Calculator for that. Consider it as the algebraic counterpart to Arcanist’s geometry. A hard lean into the concepts behind aetherical efficiency rather than giving shape and form to aether.
Green Mage. :) FFXIV can go just about anywhere with Jobs at this point considering SGE, but Green Magic is kind of the "status effect" magic, and would make sense for things like Poison, Miasma, and Bio. Enfeebling magics. Throw in a touch of FF13's Sabateur, but just realize that FFXIV doesn't allow status effects on bosses, so "enfeebling" magic envisioned as various DoTs (sapping the enemy's vitality different ways and weaving those magics together) would probably work well enough. Not to mention it would leave Time Mage and Arithmetician for builds that actually more reflect their class fantasy. Or...well, never being implemented since FFXIV has a rigid trinity and doesn't really have room for things like buffing mages. :(
During the lead up to endwalker and the discussion of Reaper, the devs talked about Maiming class. Got me thinking that maybe we are all looking at the development of classes wrong. Maybe the devs are going by the Armour sets. Fending 4 Maiming 2 Striking 2 Scouting 1 Aiming 3 Casting 3* Healing 4 It's just a guess but the next class which probably use Scout and one of the others not at 4 yet. More than likely I'm wrong but an interesting idea. 🤔
I want to see a class that uses a two-sided sword like the thief swords in ff9. It would be a great nod to the game and they could also use scouting armour too, since Rogue and ninja are the only users at the moment.
That sounds pretty interesting actually, though I can’t think of a separate new job for it. But I played FF11 for many years and it was never properly balanced in my opinion. Basically what started out as a support ability was discovered to make Ninja a full blown tank and thus that was exactly what happened to it. Casting a spell that created shadows that completely took a hit once instead of the player and thus negating the damage for several attacks. This was exploited by the players to turn it into a tank. Red mages and Bards became the most important and valued for any kind of party because they had a couple of unique spells that were essential. It was never fair or balanced.
@@SynodicScribe Given that each job has a unique weapon, I for one would like to see a job that uses war hammers - it's definitely something I would enjoy, and it could help keep the balance between melee and ranged.
The thought about jobs that has been aching me for the longest time is how underused the off-hand slot is - it feels like something that was only coded in for Paladin's shields. So I'd be fine with less jobs in the future if they could give more optional sidearms that reflect the jobs that do exist (whips for summoners, extra guns or even gadgets for machinist, short spears for Dragoons etc.). Lets say these weapons when equipped give access to combo continuation actions or maybe even utility, all of this once again depending on the type of job. It could even be a simple solution to increasing the skill ceiling of healers while still keeping the skill floor exactly where it is if they decide these actions are going to be universally in their case OGCDs. No risk of missing a window, just a bit of an enhancement to what your doing in terms of DPS action. I'd say even give those actions secondary and useful effects when done - positionals being the first thought but it could differ depending on what the devs think they should be able to mess with. Paladin would of course need to be given something new with it's shield and maybe something minor because sheltron spam is already pretty good - maybe do something new with shield bash or revert cover action to half it's former power. On a personal, and heads up uselessly hopeful, level I'd like to see something akin to a Templar (they can call it something else or treat it like "Sage"). Your a tank with a giant shield and greatspear. Your even more tanky than the Paladin. However, instead of a magic phase you gain points towards a "recompense" bar as you mitigate group or self damage that lets you do insane burst actions that are physical, pierce defense actions. Maybe you have a special group wide mitigation tool on a short OCGD called Rampart that helps fuel this. That's really just my attempt at creating something I'd like to play next because when I think tank my mind doesn't automatically go to Paladin as odd as it sounds, I think of old military battles where groups of men would form walls and ranks where the defense, and ultimately the victory, came to those who remained calm by their brother in arms - each man filling a segment of the line. Each soldier entrusting theirs and ensuring others safety through stalwart aggression. The job I envisioned is still far from that - and I don't think a bad*** normal archetype could exist in this game because it wouldn't be popular enough.
off hand used to be used for cnj and thm as well; they used to have shields off hand, and 1 handed wands in their main hand. Or, well, they can still do that, but the WHM and BLM job upgrades don't, so off hand is quickly obsolete for all but pld. So it's more like it's a relic of the past that only pld continues to use, and they are either unable or unwilling to remove it.
It was eventually dropped because of how weird gearing got at a certain point in later ARR. When Leviathan came out, you needed an item to upgrade your weapons. BiS and materia got utterly wacky for WHM/BLM, so after that, we stopped getting wands entirely and PAL shields were often just handed over with the sword as a set. Off-handed gear is still used on every DOH/DOL job.
@@bolladragon It's a bummer they went that rout and just took it mostly away. I'd like them to reintroduce it still if they can work out the long term problems they had the first go at it.
@@bolladragon yeah I liked the Levi wand for whm, I did always wondered why 2 handed weapons for WHM BLM were taken out after HW though, thanks. Scribe should touch on that
I think the speculation I've seen of Beast Master naturally fitting a limited job (presumably in a specified zone within the New World) seems fairly reasonable to me. People obviously love pet battles as has been thoroughly demonstrated elsewhere and the Beast Master could provide the basis for that form of content, and it wouldn't have to be balanced against the rest of the game.
They have a lot set up that could be expanded on, Geomancy, time magic, the Azim Steppe sets up jobs like Psychic, Green Mage could easily come as a DPS off shoot of Scholar with their ties to disease and ailments that have been downplayed, Limsa has so much set up for something like Pirate or Corsair, the way Dancer works in lore could also set up Psychic or even something weird like Orator, Illusionist or Judge, influencing people's minds, feelings or dynamis to assert control over them or go the more Mesmer-y route with illusions and clones since Bard seems to be leaning into Archery more than the more mental influence route. There was even set up for Exorcist with both Gosetsu and the Chinese New Year event, or even a SMN/RPResque light aspected job since we've seen essentially, Sin Eaters be summoned in Amdapor much like the example or Voidsent being bound to statues, could be a cool set up for a kinda Puppetmaster job or something that leans fully into what they tried to half do with egis. I can't wait to see what new jobs they come up with because there is so much already set up to pull from to make very interesting jobs. I do hope for more difficult and/or weird jobs, not a fan of sub jobs or cross job abilities because I played back in the day when meta basically forced everyone to run the same things so it was more limiting ironically, because you never touched most of the stuff available if you did group content.
One of FFXIV's biggest limitations is its focus on DPS above all. Everything essentially being a DPS means less varied mechanics for other roles, and often ends up making those roles more boring. Once you know how to do it, maintaining enmity as a tank is extremely easy, and you almost never have to worry about positioning besides pointing whatever away from your party. Then it just turns into a DPS that faces backwards. Healing is something healers should try to do as little as possible, because the best healing is ending combat as quickly as possible. And while the ranged physical jobs do have some support utility, there can't ever be any dedicated support jobs(Time Mage, Green Mage, etc.) because it would disrupt raid composition. This limitation is extremely difficult to overcome because it's so integral to how the game is built, and would require probably several expansions of overhaul and tuning.
it wasn't as big a deal when tanks and healers had their own rotations and mechanics like stance-dancing, could you believe that WAR was considered one of the harder classes in the game at one point in time because of a bunch of mechanics no longer present? and healers would juggle cleric stance, keep up their DoTs, etc, and actually have something to do now they have single-button rotations with a 30 second DoT yet don't need to heal any more than they used to because there's so many cooldowns that they can just get away with ogcd healing
I'm just starting to wonder whether there's even a good amount of hands on the job team. People throw around some ridiculously low numbers (2-4), but the credits don't specify who's working on jobs.
What I hope is that if we stop at level 99 next expansion, classic FF style, we then expand further into what we gain at lower levels since there's some gaps and growth concerns that are more prevalent than ever thanks to EW's job updates. Most of the new abilities we get have zero connection to the job quests that unlock them, anymore. Plenty of said abilities could easily be funneled into lower content to flesh out the experience for newcomers and veterans alike Some more notable ones imo being (feel free to share your own): NIN refreshing huton with its aoe combo before 52 and armor crush before 54 WHM with lilies and asylum before 52 DRK with dark missionary before 76 (great start with bringing stalwart soul down to 40 like the other tanks' aoe combos) Which in turn opens up gaps in later leveling that now can be filled. A huge chunk of jobs have empty space at level 58 for no reason other than they lost something between SB and ShB's job changes. And now SMN has tons of free space to expand thanks to its huge rework. The sky's the limit, CBU3!
The balance between melee and ranged is one thing, but I'm surprised you didn't discuss the balance between each role to the other roles Tank - 4 Healer - 4 Melee - 5 (split across 3 gear types) Ranged - 3 Caster - 3 Looking at the numbers, it's clear that we're missing a fourth ranged, a fourth caster, and a sixth melee. To even better support this, their reasoning behind adding Reaper was that DRG has been the only job with maiming gear since ARR. But that also applies to Ninja with scouting, even though it shares accessories with ranged. They've never repeated a role through expansions, that cuts out melee and healer for 7.0. Now look back to previous expansions. ShB added a tank and a ranged. SB added a melee and a caster. Ranged and caster have three jobs in them. 7.0 will have been approximately four years since a ranged, six years since a caster. I'm putting my money on those roles if we get two jobs in 7.0. And then our sixth melee with scouting after that. No damn clue what will come beyond, since that'd break the lineup once more
We're already really melee heavy. A 6th melee would have it as a role having 50% more Jobs than any other role. I know people want to break things down by armor types (e.g. scouting), though for the life of me, I've no idea why they haven't combined either Scouting and Striking or Scouting and Aiming at this point. If all the Ranged used Scouting - which makes sense for archers and machinists, honestly (and neither "Scouting" nor "Aiming" really makes sense for dancers) - the problem would go away. They already share right side gear.
@@SubduedRadical well it’s either we end at 4 4 6 4 4 or we keep going until six of each It’s all up to CBU3 Since unless they do merge scouting and aiming-I hope they don’t, I love scouting armor from SB on-we’d be leaving ninja without a buddy for good But at the same time yes there’s something to be said about three melee armor types and two more than any other role which is how it ended up by proxy when we got SAM and it was emphasized with RPR
Ninja needs a buddy, I hope it gets one next :D That would mean 6 Melee DPS and 6 Ranged DPS if you combine magic and physical. Would actually be cool if it was a Melee Hybrid Geomancer with 1h Mace or Axe and casted spells like it's FFT style, but I don't really know what to expect to share with Ninja. NIN and RDM are also Range+Melee at same time if you think about it.
That’s nice and all, but it’s pretty clear we need existing jobs to have more decision and depth to them, as the job system is a mile wide but an inch deep.
I’m still holding out hope that we’ll one day see a Ranges DPS job that fights with a Blitzball, preferably one built as a support based around inflicting debuffs on opponents.
I don’t think they will ever introduce a debuff job based on how all FFXIV fights are on a consistent script. Also any job that can constantly debuff the defense or damage of a boss would be legitimately the best job in the game bar none, just look at ninja and old trick attack.
You could do a lot of cool animations with people tossing, kicking and spiking a ball shaped object with some spins and flips thrown in so it's not completely out there as a concept.
I personally would like rune-fencer/mystic-knight as a job, yeah I know RDM kinda is already that in a way but if they do it right it could be pretty cool, besides it would be the first magical melee DPS (yeah I know NIN mudra counts as magic damage but still)
They won't get put in because they confirmed they're not adding any more old FF jobs, all the new ones will be unique to XIV so no Mystic Knight or Rune Fencer since those are in other games.
I'll always have a candle lit for Beastmaster. As a full job, I could see it as a ranged physical job using throwing axes as primary, with a sort of Tamers' Bell accessory akin to the RDM's focus or the MCH's aetherotransformer. Since pet entities seem like a nightmare for game design, instead the BST might have a 'ranged' phase where they focus on weapon skills, and a 'command' phase where the pet is mechanically a tether between the player and the target represented by whatever companion is glam'd to facilitate other abilities. The pet doesn't 'exist' on the battlefield outside of appearance. As a limited overworld job, Beastmaster would probably be the first step towards a fellowship/adventuring fellow system to sunset FFXIV down the line as it wanes in popularity. Charming is out of the question, but a jug pet system might let them take another crack at the Chocobo companion AI to make it more competent or customizable. Though, to what end I don't know, probably for another Eureka/Bozja realm where things just work differently. Or maybe even just fun options for Duty Trusts. As a minigame/sidequest chain, I can see the New World or some other continent having an arena system where you assume control of a monster in a series of challenges like the Masked Carnivale. I'll take just about anything so long as it means some version of the FFXI artifact armor makes it into the game. That's all I really want.
I’m hoping Necromancer gets in. Based on lore Necromancy itself is horrible BUT we know our friends spirits came to help us in our trip to Hydaelyn. So I was thinking possibly Meracydia may have a culture around rightfully laying the dead to rest by channeling the spirits of former good hearted warriors. Combine with other spells naturally shaped by their culture over there we would have MANY options to choose from depending on what it’s considered role-wise. It could channel shades from our memories and be a Necromancer in name only as well 🤔
Much more likely would be some sort of Voidmancer, seeing as Reaper already taps into a pact with a voidsent. A minion-based (at least in animation, sending out claws from voidgates or a gaping maw below a bunch of enemies?) caster, perhaps - or even a mix of that and Puppeteer, making a magical physical caster of sorts that attacks at range with their voidsent-inhabited puppets.
I think when I say I want new jobs, what I really mean is that I want new lvl 1-90+ questlines/experiences. In a game so rigorously gated by story, the jobs added in each expansion starting at higher and higher base levels made them feel more and more shallow, regardless of abilities. There just isn't enough of the job woven into the lore of the world, no NPCs to follow us through the game, or philosophies that change as the regions and scope of power changes. And I know for certain I won't get anything close to that from this game anymore, they made that abundantly clear with the workflow of developing the role quests in Shadowbringers and Endwalker. I'm mostly fine with that.
Pirates and pistols are in the game for a long time. A pirate/privateer job could be a melee version of redmage where you would be melee first to build up some resource, then go ranged before jumping back in to melee. The ranged phase could be pistol shots for single target and bombs for aoe. Basically a non magical reverse red mage. Weapons would be scimitar/saber and pistol.
That was basically what was MCH former class. My theory is they did not have time or concept lore enough to add a buccaneer during ARR. So they added it instead to HW as a 30 job. Each expansion has always had 2 new classes exception being HW.
I have to say I'm worried about the oversimplification of jobs. If they want every job to look, play and feel unique, then removing the flavor of those jobs seems like a really damaging move. I recently started to play healers and tried out the different options. How disappointed I was when I found out that astrologian's cards all had the same effect, or when I found out that Eos and Selene don't do anything different from one another, but that they kept the two buttons anyway. If they're both still in the game for visual preference only, make it a /petglamour. I know that players have optimized the fun out of those creative choices and that the dev team prefers not to waste time and resources on things people won't ever use, but I really don't want FFXIV to become like WoW : a cold numbers obsessed MMO, balanced for the sake of balance, with a fun police here to patch every fun and emergent mechanic out of existence. Not saying that it is that, but I've seen it happen once, and it was enough.
I'm sad cone is gone for WAR, Carbuncle doesnt do anything, and AST cards and gauge doesnt even have to stack to get the full effects. QQ I cannot even mention the other DPS jobs that got butchered because they all did in some way or form. I miss the DRG aura effect, I forgot the skill for it yet we havEstinen preform it in the EW cutscenes while we cant. That was something cool and unique to DRG.
yeah it's brutal, WAR has nothing left but heals like old DRK, DRK no longer heals like old DRK because they removed it yet made WAR have that healing and also dramatically reduced its complexity and satisfaction, and healers across the board all got dumbed down a bit as a BLM player, i can only thank yoshi p that such a fate hasn't yet befallen our class, but i spend each expansion launch wondering what they'll remove to try and narrow the skill gap issue they hate so much (which won't ever be resolved by virtue of BLM's nature anyway), it really sucks the fun out of things - i got lucky that only enochian got removed this expac, it wasn't even a concern for experienced BLMs anyway, but man do i worry for the future
One thing that would have been an interesting tidbit to mention is that in the beginning, people needed to get to a certain level in 2 basic jobs (I think it was 30 primary and 15 secondary) in order to unlock advanced jobs. For instance, you needed Conjurer 15 and Gladiator 30 to unlock Paladin (if I remember correctly) and Black Mage required Thaumaturge 30 and Archer 15. They got rid of that requirement a long time ago, but I always thought it was an interesting mechanic.
I think that for the next expansion they should have ZERO new jobs. Instead, put the focus on getting existing jobs where they want them to be. We know they're aware that some jobs are in dire need of full, or partial, reworks and that they don't have the resources to do them all at once (which is why only a few jobs got reworks in EW AFAIK). After all current jobs are in good spots, I say start only adding one and make it the Meteor Survivor's job for that expansion's marketing.
I have an inkling that the next job is going to be a hammer based job. There's Gaia and a weapon for WAR that's a hammer. I think a Tank with a sledgehammer centered around heat. Basically a very combative Blacksmith/Armorer, as for names maybe Forge Master (I'm not good with names.) Another cool idea would be a Geomancer/Taoist themed healer with a fresh coat of paint. Using hand bells as weapons and the power of songs and the elements.
Honestly, my wish has always been for an additional Magic DPS job, and for that I thought of something called "Occultist". As far as I know, it only came up as an FF job in the now defunct Mobius FF, so it's relation to FF is thin at best. Seeing as Summoner lost its DoT tools in EW and how you referenced newer jobs receiving the removed skills of old jobs, I was thinking Occultist could be a DoT/Debuff oriented job, whose playstyle revolved around debuffing enemies and then capitalizing on damage multipliers related to the number of debuffs on the enemy. Doesn't really have much to do with how the job originally worked on Mobius, its really grasping at straws to even consider that YoshiP will allow DoTs to be that relevant again, but hey, one can dream.
I would like to see it happen as well, but I don't think it would be named a occultist, as it is actually the French name for the thaumaturge class, but I really hope to see a job like what you said in the future
Id love to see subjobs implemented. Even though you can play every job having a supplement job can really elevate the gameplay potential. Maybe by having subjobs locked at half max level cap would be the way to implement the system to prevent overloaded kits.
You know, say what you will about Guild Wars 2, I liked their specialization system. Keep the same class, but while using another class’s weapon to slightly flavor the base class. I could see that being a good way of allowing some old jobs with some overlapping flavor. Imagine a MNK playing with a DRG’s staff, or a SAM using a gunblade with Sen cartridges. And this is just using the system in place with no additional weapon assets being made. I feel like a lot of jobs could get some new alternate weapons that change some of what the job focuses on. Give AST a bell and let them be Geomancers. Hell, give the WHM a different weapon and let them rock an Elementalist skill set, since they already have Stone and Aero.
I don't think that keeping ranged and melee only one job apart was a specific, conscious choice. I think they have various paradigms of job classification to work around, in order to justify adding a certain role at any given time. There's the Ranged/Melee classification for sure, then there's the Tank/Healer/Melee/Ranged classification, then the Tank/Healer/Melee/Phys.Ranged/Magic.Ranged classification, then there's the Fending/Healing/Striking/Slaying/Scouting/Aiming/Casting classification. When the added Reaper for example, it wasn't just to balance out melee/ranged, but to add another role to the Slaying category. There's also the 'how long since a given role last got a new job' question, and that puts Magical Ranged squarely in the crosshairs. There's also a Scouting melee job, but we've just had a melee dps in EW... So I'm expecting one job at a time form now on, 7.0 gives us a magic ranged, while 8.0 gives us our scouting melee.
I would love to see a melee DPS class that uses quarter staffs/bo staffs/seven section staffs, if anything it could be based on the lore of the Auspice's of Othard, and their LB3 could be based on Qitian Dasheng's staff
I’ll be honest I hope they are inspired by GW2’s Mesmer class. Mostly cause I love that class and I’d enjoy seeing how they treat such a class. Though GW2 has a completely different system.
I suspect we'll get Green Mage for 7.0 as a DoT-focused Caster, likely using some aspect of SMN's old kit. A job that focuses on inflicting and refreshing DoT's, that can use their DoT's to cast powerful attacks, and that could also offer defensive/offensive utilities, sorta like with SMN and RDM having shields and DPS buffs.
Thank you for an interesting and informative presentation. There is one additional pattern in the game's job evolution which I was surprised you didn't cover. Specifically, no expansion has ever included a new job in the same slot as the one just before it. For shorthand I'm going to use T, H, M, C and R for Tank, Healer, Melee, Caster and Ranged Physical jobs. Now look at the releases by expansion: Heavensward-T, H, P; Stormblood- C, M; Shadowbringers-T, R; Endwalker-H, M. No repeats, which means the available slots for 7.0 are T, C and R. Given the melee/ranged balance pointed out in the video C+R is out, leaving T+C or T+R. Since the last caster was in Stormblood I'd put my money on T+C. Both slots have huge opportunities for innovation. Consider shape shifting as a theme, similar to the Reaper's shroud ability. I don't expect FF14 to have bear tanks, but Vauthry's transformation into Innocence might work. Perhaps a gift from one of the twelve? Something like the Messmer tank in Guild Wars 2, or the Sons of St. Coinach discovering allagan secrets of power suits would be interesting. For casters magic can do whatever you want it to do. A missing theme in FF14 is the dark magic user, such as Necromancer or Warlock. The Black Mage back story leans that way but the job is an elementalist using fire and ice, not death magic, void magic or demon magic. Just ideas to dream about. Happy dreaming all!
FF11 wasn't the first to split jobs, that I believe was pulled from Final Fantasy Tactics... In my opinion, job splitting wasn't so bad, it made things more interesting. I personally loved mixing Samurai and Monk, I was a slice and dice machine! And it looked awesome when my samurai could use monk kicks! It was so fun.
I miss original astrologian it was a lot of fun, busy work and fit the lore better. I played ffxi as redmage and also bard I miss using instruments as my main weapon ( funt fact ffxi bards can sing with instruments unequiped).
i love magic jobs so i would love to see more healers but ESPECIALLY more dps casters that are things other than [x] mage as much as i would love something like green mage (even though that’s basically what a conjurer is), the variety that things like arcanist, summoner, and scholar offer in terms of unique ways that people have found to manipulate aether is so interesting to me, and i would love to see something brand new and exciting like that
The jobs I wanna see are: Beast Tamer Green Mage (1st Magic Tank?) Templar or Cleric (1st Physical Melee healer?) Druid Pirate (Sword and Gun DPS allowing for mid-range combat similar to Red Mages)
All I want for a new job myself is Mystic Knight, ideally dual wielding scimitars or something to kinda lean into the sort of 'Arabian Knight' style they had in FF Vs sprites. But this is also a point of selfishness on my part because one of my characters is modeled after a character I made who is a battle mage who dual wields curved swords summoned by magic, so eh.
And it would play a bit like a "physical" Red Mage since that's essentially what it was in FF5. Honestly I'm convinced that they keep the label "Ranged Magical DPS" in order to introduce a "Melee Magical DPS" and unless they create an entirely new job for that, Mystic Knight is the perfect concept for that role.
@@silvergrove8517 I was honestly imagining something like a weird combo of RDM and Samurai, actually. Where you're building up elemental runes with your 123 combo and maybe an elemental phase that augments them or something and then expending the runes for big super moves or some funky FF XIV shit.
I like the idea if sub jobs, or better yet I would like to see customization in the way of talent trees, either 2 or 3 different trees that can swap some classes between tanking or DPS, or multiple DPS styles but different play styles (pretty much the old WOW trees). I feel that this would solve a lot of que time issues (I know they are not as bad as they use to be), but if I was leveling SAM and it had a tank option then I could swap to the tank play style for better ques but it is also leveling the job that I want to play. It is the one real fault that I have with the game and that is that they are so focused on balance between the jobs that every person that plays a certain job has to play the same basic way. this is why they will never make blue mage a normal job as it has these freedoms that I love so much, and it sucks so much as blur mage is my all time favorite FF job.
They’ve already introduced Geomancers in the MSQ, and they are in XI already so I think it’s likely for that to become a playable job. Its my opinion we should look at Yoshi’s comments about only introducing brand new jobs into FF with XIV as grains of salt.
I would like to see them create a hybrid job system like in final fantasy tactics. I play Gunbreaker and Sage, and I would do love to be able to combine some elements from both of the jobs I love.
They will never add that to a decade old game which struggled with that exact thing in the beginning. Hope is not a bad thing but don't get your hopes up for things that have been tried, failed and will never be implimented again. They need to focus on making the current jobs fun and complex enough without being too easy. Adding other jobs abilities will completely distroy all sense of balance and waste time.
After watching this video when you released it, I mentioned the idea of another melee dps coming in the next expansion in my FC and just got a very smug "That's impossible, they just gave us reaper. It's pretty obvious, I don't know why you'd think they'd make another melee DPS again." Sigh. Some players think simply playing a video game for years = "I'm always right, and all I know is all I need to know."
I'm keeping up hope but not holding my breath. I started playing the game at the tail end of Stormblood and loved seeing the absolute variety of abilities like the AST cards that I studied all throughout playing ARR to get ready to unlock it. Then ShB "simplified" a lot of things for lack of a better word. Now so many jobs kinda feel the same, especially since a good variety of them are builder-spenders with a different job gauge. DRK still has a Fell Cleave 2.0 and the removal of Hissatsu: Kaiten from SAM felt so outta left field when it was a big defining button since SAM's release. I visually love how Reaper looks but mechanically it's not that engaging to me personally, same with Summoner. Again, I absolutely love the visuals and the fantasy of actually summoning Garuda and having her SCREECH but that enjoyment only lasts for so long when I'm pressing the same button over and over again for hours. I've started to look to other mmo's like FFXI and GW2 for more variety, utility and personality in their class designs because unfortunately FFXIV just doesn't give me that. It's all just buttons to either do more dmg and let your teammates do more damage with a different paint job slapped on it
Couldn't agree more. I went back to XI for a bit since I miss variety. A lot of jobs feel samey and the abilities [increase DPS by x%] is boring, along with no difficulty below current content. I really don't like the direction the game has been going since ShB.
I would like to see more crazy limited jobs. I know they would have to create 90 levels worth of assets but I feel like there is so much design space that goes unutilized. I've always wanted a "Gambler" job where your trying to manipulate luck to your advantage. It could be a sort of puzzle for the min maxers trying to get the best stats out of a constantly changing slot machine
i used to be very much on the side of "geomancer is never gonna happen because there's no way they could make it's terrain-based magic gimmick work in 14" but i could see them pulling a sage and making a more druid-ey class with whm's old stone/aero/water spells and smn/sch's old poison dots (they could also call it Green Mage like tactics lol) i still really wanna see a blitzballer class though, but i know it's way too silly to be a main job lmao
i think another big thing is Class Fantasy, they wouldn't make classes that overlap too much with what another class has going on, like i see a lot of people saying they should add a rune fencer or spell blade class, but Red Mage kind of allready has that covered, or people asking for Berserker when Warrior's whole thing is that it's a very archetypical berserker/barbarian class
It's so interesting coming back to this after they announced Beastmaster is coming to Dawntrail as a Limited Job. I honestly don't mind the more customizable ones being Limited, especially if the two can play TOGETHER. We need Blu/Bst parties for sure.
I hear that, I did a Necromancer class concept for Uni that used an ouija board planchette with a small rod for the weapon. I'd love to see if they do something similar if they do create a Necromancer class.
I see all the hope Necromancer has. But as a lore man it's hard for me to see it happening. Necromancy on the Source is infamously evil and torturous to souls. But hey, they released Reaper who has a diet voidsent. So I guess anything is possible if you stretch the lore enough!
I genuinely think a "void mage" is more likely than a necromancer at this point They got away with reaper being a garlean-based assassin that draws power from a linked voidsent But directly tampering with the deceased to raise them as mindless thralls or worse? As the WoL? Yeah, no With the newfound (pun intended) focus on the thirteenth I could see us delving into more of how people wield voidsent with magic Effectively pairing the involvement of the void from thaumaturgy/black mages of mhach and gaia opening rifts in E2 into a job
@@SynodicScribe I'm of the same opinion, I have no idea how they would work in necromancer with the setting they've established so far. There's also the issue of it probably needing to be a pet job(raising undead combat pets to go fight), which the devs dislike.
What if necromancer didn't focus on raising skeletons and zombies, but instead on spirits and ghosts? (Endwalker Spoiler warning) We've been to the lifestream and seen that they can have power, what if necromancer instead borrows power from those resting in the aetherial sea? It would solve the "The WoL is good, necromancy is really bad, so no" dilemma, since we're asking and receiving strength from departed souls who willingly give it, and you don't have to worry about the hero of the story desecrating corpses.
Would be cool if they gave every base class a second job, like they did with Arcanist. We could earn a DPS Marauder called Berserker, a Beastmaster/Ranger as Archer, a Geomancer Conjurer, an Assasin Rogue, maybe even a Priest style Pugilist that's a Melee Healer with decently high survivability! I'd love melee healers tbh, something like a Cleric since we have no godsworn classes in a way, miss those from WoW.
I mean it's sounds really interesting and creative but with the current systems in place it is absolutely impossible to make 2nd job unlocks from classes. If somebody would want to unlock those jobs but doesn't have the class even unlocked, that would mean they would have to go down all the way to level 1.
@@shiranuiraccoon7521 I'm more thinking about the scenario where someone wants to level it up 90 because they got so enamoured by the job they want to go through MSQ with it. Besides I'm pretty sure that if people heard that they would have to go through ARR levelling again most of them would despair so much that they would bring the Final Days all by themselves.
I loved the FF11 job system, so cool, especially how the player base kept on surprising the dev team for the party roles the job/subjob combo's would allow, such as NIN/WAR being a tank rather then the intended dps.
I've been hoping that we'd get the Judge job in some for as a tank job. Unfortunately with the Law's Order sets released in Bozja I'm doubtful we'll get it.
You know... I feel like at one point our WoL should be able to create their own job, with all the experience, skill and power they have. So... I kinda want a limited job based on that concept. Not sure what concept exactly we could use since Onion Knight is already taken by the Allagans though. Other than that, I think having more limited Jobs tied to the lore would be really cool.
Things I'd like to see: A non-MP using healer, much similar to Sage where it's a combat focused healer, but for a Mad Chemist you'd be cooking up different potions to bolster buffs and debuffs and healing but having longer cooldowns. A reverse Red Mage style job, in which you'd be doing melee combat to then have a ranged dps burst. Something like a Corsair or Adventurer to have a whip, buckler sword, and a small pistol. This would also be a scouting gear job so that Ninja wouldn't be alone. Green Mage or Sorcerer/Sorceress magic dps that applies tons of debuffs for support but can handle themselves. Could have a unique LB to bring in Rinoa's Angel Wings to boost the parties attacks into a beserk state. Berserker tank, using dual hand axes, this tank would be a high risk/reward job that would inflict debuffs or damage to self to gain others. It'd have less mitigation than other tanks, but at the bonus of dealing more damage. Lastly, a melee dps Spellblade/Rune Knight, much like the Tyrant job in Stranger of Paradise, they'd imbue their sword or weapon with magic that would change the moveset and animations. Fira adds more damage, Thundara adds speed to everything, etc.
I personality want Yoshi san to look into making more alternate jobs for the base classes. Like how archanist gets both summoner and Scholar. I'd be cool to see them add a pirate themed job as an alternate job for rogue, or giving pugilist a tank themed alt job.
1 will definitely be a male that shares gear with NIN. Obvious picks are pirate(sword and a gun), and thief. I would love to see a break dancing melee tho, fits the dex based thing. Ranged? I still want to see a pve friendly version of BLU, but if not, probably a caster
So based on everything, it seems like its certain that the next expansion to introduce a Melee job with the SCOUTING gear set, and if there's still going to be 2 jobs, the other one will either be a caster or a range physical job, but more likely a caster.
Mainly spit balling ideas: I think im in the; "Stick with and expand on the current system camp." Honestly would love if they brought subclasses or a variant to the game. It was there early on, but dropped. Bring it to 14, and really flesh out the jobs. Like; Warrior could embrace more of the inner beast and gain Berserker traits Ninja could double down on its more Rougish traits and become Thief White Mage or Astrolgian could focus on earth magic and Geomancer Something akin to D&D, the main class and its variants. Introduce spins and new ideas for the same role Give the player customization. Almost all the NPCs we interact with show this; Thancred is a Rouge and retains high level sneak skills, along with his Fighter/Gladiator style tanking Yshtola is able to use geomancy of early Conjurer and mix in high level Black Mage skills Urianger is able to use unique almost time mage like skills (and animations) as Astrologian If nothing else it could be a new limited job, that lets you mix and match skills. Be the Melee to Blue Mages range. Along with; a lot of 1.0 was thrown out, when i think some of it could still work if edited. Party buffs, utility between jobs, etc. Have fun again, because it is starting to become apparent how... robotic(?) it all is. I agree on the digs at the meta scene. It worries me. When i see people discuss my mind wanders to; "the jobs are losing their unique qualities" well yes, cuz otherwise everyone would focus on what its lacking and you get a needlessly hostile comp/meta scene, like so many games before an after. AST lost their cards due to the higher dps Bard and Dragoon use to share a buff, that would make them just stronger than the other options. Summoner lost their pet due to everyone complaining about the pets ai. I think i agree with others that a new engine would be a good choice, just on the premise of how action focused the devs are pushing the game. Along with a lot of the choices that result in some jobs losing their main gimmicks
I’d love to see a FFXIV version of combat trees. It’s an old consent so I’d hope they make it fresh somehow but I want more complex RPG decisions to make. I would love for there to be a noticeable difference in people who play the same job. That would give them at least one explanation where they don’t have to make a new job.
I am and always have been a Summoner main. We have suffered many atrocities: the loss of Egi-Tanking (the entire purpose of Titan-Egi), of our many DoT's, of Shadow Flare; the lack of additional summons (besides Bahamut and Phoenix; I'm meaning Leviathan, Ramuh--whose Egi has been around in his boss fight forever--and Shiva); the unreceived glamours for our Carbuncles besides replacing with existing Egis and vice versa, etc. But I think we still have room to grow (both mechanically and in lore). Personally, I'd like to see us finally unlock the other three of the original summons; it'd be nice to have a non-limited ranged class that has access to all six elements (Ninja has all six; I've checked), and as of Endwalker and the revelations about both our nature and of Primal Summoning, I'd say we no longer need to be limited to just the three. As for new classes, I'd love it if we got a Tank that was linked to Arcanist as well, just to complete the set. Perhaps we could follow in Ysayle's footsteps and learn to channel Primals through ourselves to borrow their power on the front lines? Also, as you pointed out, they like to take old job mechanics and give them to new ones, so perhaps a new physical damage dealer that is a DoT specialist (they could get around the issue of "too many DoT's" by having it be that there's only one DoT on the target, but it gains stacks for each unique DoT attack used, and then a different attack "detonates" the stacks for high damage in exchange for DoT removal); it could be a melee who does it, but I think a physical ranged with--for instance--a Blowgun and various toxins would be cool. Lastly, it'd be nice if they added a physical class that uses a Hammer as their weapon, since as far as I know there is no (non-crafter) job in the game that uses Hammers at all, nor any glamours that are hammers. It could be a job that is opposite to Monk in that it has a slower GCD in exchange for higher potencies. But these are simply my personal thoughts; there are tons of viable concepts still left to explore! Signed, a SMN main.
God what I would give to see the FFV Necromancer appear again in FF. It'd perfectly fit right into the game as well; it's NOT a pet class, but a dot, drain and debuff class, like a reverse casting Bard, who essentially give inverse buffs to the enemies and can stack and juggle tons of terrifying effects. We also don't have a class with a Knife, though we do have daggers, which was the Necro's main weapon, and would definitely fit into class fantasy with our journeys into the void as of 6.2 and onwards.
You know, I would love a Tank class that uses a Mech. Maybe its gameplay could be like revving an engine, slow start but gets faster over time. Also would be more on the mitigation side. The story of this mech class could be about the difference between the Mechs and the Monks. A nice little opposition between strength in machinery and strength in the body. Whatever the new classes maybe, I hope it's at least cool and fun to play.
I would actually welcome the idea of introducing sub-jobs to the game like FFXI. I once played as a Dragoon/Monk (Don't judge me). Some FF jobs I would love to see in XIV include Green Mage, Beastmaster, Puppet Master, and Corsair. I'm open to the idea of brand new jobs, but I wonder, after coming out with Gunbreaker, where FFVIII fans can be their version of Squall, Will these new ideas, these new jobs, be nothing more than taking a character concept from a previous FF game and warping it to be a job class? Will Terra's Esper transformation from FFVI morph into an Esper job? Tidus and Wakka Blitzball playing turn into a Blitzball job? (I'm still waiting for Blitzball to be introduced in XIV)! Or Cid's use of a mop in FFVII lead to a Janitor job? I have a suspicion that these new created jobs will be nothing more than taking specific character tropes from previous FF games and morphing them to Jobs like they did with Gunbreaker. FANSERVICE!! But that's just my thought on the matter.
I think they did a good job with GNB. Of course the base idea came from Squall but I believe they integrated it enough. Since DRK already exist, I doubt they would try the same with Cloud for example, since we already have a job with greatswords. I also doubt that they would do something as silly as some of the examples given. I don't see a problem if they created something like an Ink Mage based on FF6 Rem since it's a pretty unique set of skills, but at the same time I doubt they would try to create a job entirely based on Terra's Trance since it's just a powered-up mage after all, or Celes' Runic ability. What I can see them do with Trance is add it as a temporary buff for one of the Mages as a burst phase for example. And for Runic, add it as a oGCD tank role ability for mitigation. Those are just ideas that allows to make little winks to the classic titles without going all-out and making jobs out pretty simple but memorable abilities.
@@silvergrove8517 Yoshi P and his team did do a good job with GNB. They made it it's own thing, but still, at least for me, whenever I see a Gunbreaker in the game, all I can think is Squall. Not necessarily a bad thing, just my personal take. Funny thing was when I was typing out my comment, I thought about Cloud and whether or not if they would do a Soldier class, but I agree with you DRK with it's greatsword, it would be very redundant. Granted the examples I gave about Terra's Esper form or Cid's mop use Was an exaggeration just to get my point across. (Blitzball however I still see as a legitimate future Ranged DPS option). I'll agree with you that Rem's Ink Mage abilities from VI would make for a very awesome job class concept in future expansions! And your suggestion of using Runic, adding it as an oGCD tank role ability for mitigation, As a Paladin main in game, I LOVE the concept!
That would be great, but kinda limited to a couple of existing jobs. 1. GLA -> PLD -> KNG (Knight) or something else 2. CNJ -> WHM -> DEV (Devout) 3. THM -> BLM -> MGS (Magus) 4. PGL -> MNK -> BLB (Black Belt) or MST (Master) 5. ARC -> BRD -> RGR (Ranger) ? 6. ACN -> SMN -> EVK (Evoker)? 7. MRD -> WAR -> VKG (Viking)? 8. ROG -> NIN -> THF (Thief)? Most of these are stretches and it leaves out the jobs that came after FF3, but I like the idea.
One cool way to use that would be in the next expansion since we'll likely cap at 99, you'd have a limited number of special soul stones (like the specialist crafter soul stones) that allows you to reach the symbolic 100. Example: in 7.0 you get your White Mage to lvl 99 and get a special quest that once completed "replaces" your WHM soul stone with a Devout one and once equipped, you are now a lvl 100 Devout.
BST and PUP already exist in the game, as Garlean disciplines in Bozja. BST is a tank and PUP is a DPS of some kind, honestly could be classified as melee or physical ranged. With Garlemald being liberated, it would make sense from a lore perspective for us to learn them. I still want Blitzballer though.
I'm still in my own weirdo corner hoping that level 100 (or 99) will be forever the max level in XIV, and instead of continually trying to tack on new things to existing jobs that already feel "complete" (outside of smaller adjustments or reworks if deemed absolutely necessary), they move that dev time to introducing 3 or more new jobs per expansion instead. I really don't feel like we need the obligatory 10 levels to get through every expansion release, and obviously the more jobs that are added to the game, the more effort is required to "update" a class to the new max level.
While I agree with many of your points, I will honestly have to disagree with not using past jobs. I think while it is good to completely make new jobs for the franchise as a whole, it would be stupid to neglect jobs that so many people want that previously existed in other games of the series. While I don't think Geomancer will be added to the game (for likely lore reasons aka, potential tempering) I do think something like the beast master could be added, even if it's a limited job like the BLU is. And I do think there is still MUCH more room to fill, for instance a Rune Knight could be the most magically based tank in the game, sure it doesn't have a huge history. But a lack of history makes it all the more flexible to create
Actually, Geomancers are already a thing! In the Ruby Sea, at least. In some of the optional dungeons, you go against these bell-bearing priests that summon floods, tempests and earthquakes against you. As a matter of fact, geomancy turns out to be a sort of conjury! Though exactly how the methods differ I don't think is entirely clear.
There are some skills I miss during ShB, I like to think that was peak. EW butchered alot of dps classes because "button bloat" "stats squish" , Tanks came on top and the 2 new jobs. Anyways I think they should better adjust the skill sets to better fit the job rather then copy paste dps across the board same for physical ranges because of the 2 aforementioned reasons before starting new jobs.
A tank with a hammer is a pretty big want. Gotta imagine theres a garleian wanting to stick it back at the empire. Maybe outside games but still square, a pyche user like the world ends with you with partner support skills that change based on the class you link too. And kinda outta nowhere kinda skys of arcadia love something fairly new with a boomerang
Class evolution system. when a personal limit break hits , jobs can progress to a higher tier job, with new skills and gameplay. Then go back to the "normal job" when the gauge is exhausted.
They did mention they might add Beastmaster as a Limited Job (probably stealing a lot from old Summoner, and going crazy with it). They mentioned this a good while ago in a Live Letter or two, before they released Bozja Southern Front with a nod that there might be a hint at a future limited job in that area (which there are plenty, a few bosses in there are Beastmasters). I'm up for them making jobs they would have problems balancing as Limited Jobs which gives them way more freedom with it. To me Limited Jobs are more like content anyway, you do it for the challenge (attempting to do the Morbol Mount or get all the BLU Achieves and Spells) , the uniqueness (learning spells of enemies and picking the right ones), and the content designed for it (Masked Carnivale, BLU Log). Granted I wish BLU had more love, being able to solo PoTD/HoH with it would be fun(even if its not ranked or counted on leaderboards), maybe them having PvP skills (balanced obviously, all BLUs would have same PVP skills, maybe common/unique spells are picked), something people want to come back to if they don't do the weeklies. Having Beatmaster have its own challenges (taming all the beasts), uniqueness (needing to tame beasts) and content (dunno, maybe an arena to fight or train your beasts?) makes it feel more like a content "limited" job to me.
that customisation kinda existed in 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0 with the shared skills from the subclasses you needed to get your job. I miss my healing black mage with provoke
I guess that Mystic Knights would never be adopted because we already have Samurai guys with katana and Dark Knights who mostly was a Mystic Knight's reimagining beginning from FFIV. But anyway it may be cool to have katana-wielding tank class
I think they might take more inspiration from specific characters from previous games going forward. Like how GNB takes inspiration from Squall and Seifer and MCH from Edgar. Blitzer being based of Wakka is one I see alot of but you could also do Soldier and base it off Cloud, Zack, Sephiroth, Genesis and Angeal. An idea I had was a boomerang class called "Synergist" focused on party buffs with references to Hope and other elements from the FNC series. Also I don't think they hate pet classes, I think they hate balancing pets. Which is probably why if they ever do BST it'll be a limited job, that way they can go crazy and not care about balancing.
I just hope they make the tanks a bit more unique again. They all kinda feel samey now.. Do we need more jobs? I dont think so.. But im guessing they will add one or two more and leave it at that then. They already have so much to do now, with so many. Equipment, balancing, skills etc.
If you mean PLD and WAR being samey now, yeah it feels that way. At least DRK was unique but they butchered it and left it where it belongs, in the dark. And GNB if fast paced DPS style they havent done anything fresh or new to it
Well saying that it was final fantasy 11, and that there were 11/11 it would make sense that final fantasy XIV job cap would be 14/14, but I doubt they would cut off any new jobs just because they hit a self-imposed cap, as one of the big things the players love about each new expansion is new jobs.
Well reaper was also added because they wanted to add another job into Maiming gear. So right now, only lonely gearset is Scouting which in my opinion would be perfect for Puppetmaster. Interesting thing they could do would be to add another Pysical Range DPS like puppetmaster, and give it scouting gear. Overall honestly, I think Pysical Range DPS is kinda in a weird spot ,where they kinda are support ,but not really. So we could might as well get new Support genre where we could add future jobs that solely focus on support roles and dont have to try to keep up with other DPSs and give them more unique spells/skills.
I would love subjobs to be a thing. Playing through Octopath Traveler has made me really enjoy the sub job mechanic in the game and I would enjoy trying to see what worked best with my Monk or Ninja jobs. I would also like the job abilities to play more like they do in lore and for that to have more of an importance to how we play, if that makes sense. I think it would be great for immersion if the lore and history behind a job played a larger part in how jobs can be played and experienced, if there were more in game actions or implications for players based on what job they choose and make a bigger difference in things like interactions and how other characters see you, based on your job. Maybe that's too much of an ask, because it would be too much to program NPCs in this sprawling world to have different reactions and such to different jobs. It's just something I think would be cool. I think if they ever did add Beast Master or something akin to it, I'd love to try it.
I would like to see a melee DPS that uses a flail and maybe a crossbow like a vampire hunter type. And it would be the opposite of redmage. Most of its fighting would be in melee range the jump to ranged to do a big burst. I think that might be cool
I want a weapon less magic job called “spell weaver”. It’s weapon slot holds a “seal” which appears over ones face when the job is equipped. Yeah, it’s ascian thing. But good ascian.
I originally thought, when I heard about job crystals, that FFXIV had the sub job system, so I played an archer until lvl 50 because I thought I could add a healer or something like that as a sub class.
I would love to see a Puppet Master similar to Ragnarok II with the Noel race. This would be my ideal class if it was also a healer class but we have enough healers it isnt a possibility anymore. They also had a crescenta class but that's basically reaper
I wonder if we have something from the New World or Merycidia be brought over to Eorzea to learn. If they want to add a new job, I hope it has a compelling backstory and questline added with it.
job idea. Healer class/job chemist. Heals with potions and hurts with dot poisons and also able to produce buffs through chems. Just an idea i think would be great
no we cant really properly predict cause we got sage, an xiv original class(in function, not name), of course id love more original classes but i also really want rune fencer(magical tank) or geomancer
I'm new to the game. Came over last year a little before endwalker. I play pet classes in other mmos. Warlock and hunter in wow. Necromancer and engineer in guild wars. So naturally I gravitated towards summoner. While I don't miss the dots, I do miss the pet feel. The job is flashy and cool still. Just it doesn't have that pet master feel. I prefer more minion master archetypes. Like a necromancer with a small army of undead. Or in wow a demonology warlock where they constantly summon demons. So my hope for a future job is a pet job. Hopefully one that goes into the minion master archetype.
Geomancer from Final Fantasy Tactics & Beast Master kind of like what Beast Hunter was in early WoW! I love the idea of Geomancy tons! I also love to collect them all Hunters! But like you said these two probably won't ever come to the game! I'd also love to see a Druid shape shifting class, if at all possible, like the one from WoW! Tauren was my fav & Druid was my fav class after Warlock! So those two (Druid & Warlock) could be contenders! If & maybe when we get new jobs, they will be unique to FFXIV!
Honestly. I want a class that deals with death and undeath. It's the one thing FFXIV does not have that I want. It doesn't even have to be a Necromancer. It could be some sort of spirit based type character. I feel that there is a lot of possible things that could be done with it.
tbh, i doubt there'll be one just because we've already got an avatar of death on reaper, a class that utilises kill rewards and takes arguably the only other unoccupied necromancer-themed weapon in the game besides a grimoire
That carbuncle line hurt me. It hurt me bad. My best memories of early 14 were the times the tanks or healers died or dc'd and carby came in like the champion of clutch.
I find it odd they didn't give Phoenix's heals to Carbuncle instead, and/or make Physick change to a Carbuncle heal that actually does something. They could have also just made Carby range attack like an offensive Scholar Fairy~ I mean they kinda already did that with Bahamut.
RIP old Summoner. Truly it was a glorious time to wield a book
@@khaeldranis2564 it really was
@@Wolfdoggie yeah they basically neutered the poor guy. At least give him a small auto attack or something so he's not just sat there the whole fight
@@malbogia8003 I’ve had time to think about the changes of summoner and overall that I don’t like it. I appreciate the simplification to it but I hate what they did to Carbuncle and using the Egi primals. I’m fortunate to have Scholar to have fall back on. And white mage because I discovered that I truly love being a healer. One day I hope to try sage and eventually perhaps Astrologian.
im personally hoping that the future of jobs becomes more lore based. i myself play White Mage and i feel like im missing a huge part of my character since we only use non aspected light spells after level 70 i want them to bring in more geomancy spells perhaps use earth aspection for defense buffs or not to take away summoning from the summoner jobs but allow us to create golems like the old White Mages of Amnapor.( sorry i spelled that heavily wrong)
yea i was thinking of new jobs that would be lore tied and one i think would be cool would be a job themed around learning ascians creation magic. you could have the role quest giver be a sundered ascians who does not know what to do now that all the unsundered are gone and zodiark is dead. you could have the jobs soul crystal be Azems crystal.
I feel like all white mage mains feel a bit salty we lost the druid-like aspects the further away from conjurer we got. Conjurer, itself, however, is a vestigial leftover from the original job system of 1.0 that was purpose built to be unique from the classic FF job systems. At this point, it feels like the same weird upgrade as Bard felt to Archer.
If they went more lore base. The Reaper Job should have been more of an offshoot of the Dark Knight. Even in the lore they made. Dark Knight used to use scythes and was more DPS base. It would have been an interesting story to play into the Dark Knight's story. Though no. They kept it separate.
Could be a new lily spell actually to change Dia and Glare to aspect them to Air Water or Earth. Could be quite interesting actually
Back when I started playing (2020) I actually stopped leveling White Mage when I learned they stopped using elemental magic at high level. Probably the worst designed job to me visually/logically because of that. IMO Holy shouldn't be spammable (also needs 1st effect toned down), Waterga should be their AoE spam and Stone/Aero should either remain at a high level or become Quake/Tornado. I would adore the job then. If they ever add Geomancer it'd basically be what WHM should have been. At this point it's among the 6 I haven't maxed yet.
At least Summoner has cool Wind and Earth magic now and is my main currently. Need someone to revive water magic attacks though other than BLU XD Unless they gimme Leviathan.
With the events of Endwalker, I’m still hoping for some more garlean magitech jobs down the line. Gunhammers and Garlean Gunblades are now up for learning (and could reference real life use of war time weapons converted to peace time tools, or in this case converting weapons of war to weapons of adventure). Continuing the path of adapting enemy stuff, learning to master Ascian magics could be a possibility.
I think that something like a "Magitek Knight" would be cool. Especially given what we see guys like Nero, Gaius, Regula...can do with them, imagine how much more we can do with some added aether manipulation.
We can’t learn Ascian magic. It’s far beyond us. We can never come close to the potency of their magic, and we don’t have to. What we can achieve is good enough.
@@acgearsandarms1343 I'm not sure I agree. While we can't yet match the potency of Emet-Selch or Elidibus, we are currently the closest known being to an unsundered Ancient.
@@silvergrove8517 I mean it’s physically impossible. We aren’t going to rejoin anymore worlds, and no one can replicate their magics perfectly. Not likely ever. Not enough aether. Not even us.If you tried, you’re likely to injure or kill yourself. This is actually a thing in a certain point of the game. We resort to using a concept instead. Concepts are very much achievable in its stead.
@@acgearsandarms1343 you don't have to rejoin a whole world for a part of your soul to rejoin, and traveling to a shard is not a problem for us, as both were demonstrated in ShB.
I don't think it will happen mind you, but it certainly is possible given the information we have so far.
I feel like another Scouting job is inevitable. Personally, I would like it to bear the Ranger name (or maybe Sentry) and be tied to Garlean magitek in our post-Endwalker Eorzea. Maybe it carries a hidden blade ala Assassin's Creed and throws out traps and gadgets made with magitek scrap.
Maybe it could be a debuff focused ranged dps? Granting dot, increased vunrabilty and othet status effects to targets?
at some point, adding new jobs like this won't be as exciting. i'm sure getting ninja as a tenth job in ARR was amazing, but imagine the job pool starts reaching 30. what kind of effect would having another two have? plus, how new jobs unlock is totally unlike how the base classes work, with level sync decreasing a job's cohesion and high unlock level decreasing its general accessibility. something will need to change eventually. not just with job design, but with much of the game's foundation in regards to leveling, quests, and job incorporation, in order to support ten more years of expansions. maybe this would even mean something similar to FFXI's subjob system, not adding new jobs, but compounding current ones in some way.
Makes me wonder if maybe in the future we'll get expansions that start at a lower level but have a separate leveling system.
The one thing I’m missing most from Summoner of old was their abilities relating to DoTs. Mind you, I’m completely find with them being removed from Summoner for thematic purposes, but talking about reintroducing older job abilities into different/new jobs, I’m REALLY hoping they bring back that with a new DoT mage of some kind. I’ve seen people throw around Time Mage for that, but me being the FFT fan boy I am, I’d love if they brought in Arithmetician/Calculator for that. Consider it as the algebraic counterpart to Arcanist’s geometry. A hard lean into the concepts behind aetherical efficiency rather than giving shape and form to aether.
Green Mage. :)
FFXIV can go just about anywhere with Jobs at this point considering SGE, but Green Magic is kind of the "status effect" magic, and would make sense for things like Poison, Miasma, and Bio. Enfeebling magics. Throw in a touch of FF13's Sabateur, but just realize that FFXIV doesn't allow status effects on bosses, so "enfeebling" magic envisioned as various DoTs (sapping the enemy's vitality different ways and weaving those magics together) would probably work well enough.
Not to mention it would leave Time Mage and Arithmetician for builds that actually more reflect their class fantasy. Or...well, never being implemented since FFXIV has a rigid trinity and doesn't really have room for things like buffing mages. :(
We already have time mage, it’s called Astrologion
During the lead up to endwalker and the discussion of Reaper, the devs talked about Maiming class. Got me thinking that maybe we are all looking at the development of classes wrong. Maybe the devs are going by the Armour sets.
Fending 4
Maiming 2
Striking 2
Scouting 1
Aiming 3
Casting 3*
Healing 4
It's just a guess but the next class which probably use Scout and one of the others not at 4 yet. More than likely I'm wrong but an interesting idea. 🤔
Congrats, you were right! We're getting a Melee DPS which is almost certainly scouting geared, and a caster.
I want to see a class that uses a two-sided sword like the thief swords in ff9. It would be a great nod to the game and they could also use scouting armour too, since Rogue and ninja are the only users at the moment.
That would actually be dope. I'd play that.
Yes that indeed would be a clever way to tie in NIN armor
yes finaly some one has the same idea as me go twinblade
That sounds pretty interesting actually, though I can’t think of a separate new job for it. But I played FF11 for many years and it was never properly balanced in my opinion. Basically what started out as a support ability was discovered to make Ninja a full blown tank and thus that was exactly what happened to it. Casting a spell that created shadows that completely took a hit once instead of the player and thus negating the damage for several attacks. This was exploited by the players to turn it into a tank.
Red mages and Bards became the most important and valued for any kind of party because they had a couple of unique spells that were essential. It was never fair or balanced.
@@SynodicScribe Given that each job has a unique weapon, I for one would like to see a job that uses war hammers - it's definitely something I would enjoy, and it could help keep the balance between melee and ranged.
The thought about jobs that has been aching me for the longest time is how underused the off-hand slot is - it feels like something that was only coded in for Paladin's shields. So I'd be fine with less jobs in the future if they could give more optional sidearms that reflect the jobs that do exist (whips for summoners, extra guns or even gadgets for machinist, short spears for Dragoons etc.). Lets say these weapons when equipped give access to combo continuation actions or maybe even utility, all of this once again depending on the type of job. It could even be a simple solution to increasing the skill ceiling of healers while still keeping the skill floor exactly where it is if they decide these actions are going to be universally in their case OGCDs. No risk of missing a window, just a bit of an enhancement to what your doing in terms of DPS action. I'd say even give those actions secondary and useful effects when done - positionals being the first thought but it could differ depending on what the devs think they should be able to mess with. Paladin would of course need to be given something new with it's shield and maybe something minor because sheltron spam is already pretty good - maybe do something new with shield bash or revert cover action to half it's former power. On a personal, and heads up uselessly hopeful, level I'd like to see something akin to a Templar (they can call it something else or treat it like "Sage"). Your a tank with a giant shield and greatspear. Your even more tanky than the Paladin. However, instead of a magic phase you gain points towards a "recompense" bar as you mitigate group or self damage that lets you do insane burst actions that are physical, pierce defense actions. Maybe you have a special group wide mitigation tool on a short OCGD called Rampart that helps fuel this. That's really just my attempt at creating something I'd like to play next because when I think tank my mind doesn't automatically go to Paladin as odd as it sounds, I think of old military battles where groups of men would form walls and ranks where the defense, and ultimately the victory, came to those who remained calm by their brother in arms - each man filling a segment of the line. Each soldier entrusting theirs and ensuring others safety through stalwart aggression. The job I envisioned is still far from that - and I don't think a bad*** normal archetype could exist in this game because it wouldn't be popular enough.
off hand used to be used for cnj and thm as well; they used to have shields off hand, and 1 handed wands in their main hand. Or, well, they can still do that, but the WHM and BLM job upgrades don't, so off hand is quickly obsolete for all but pld. So it's more like it's a relic of the past that only pld continues to use, and they are either unable or unwilling to remove it.
It was eventually dropped because of how weird gearing got at a certain point in later ARR. When Leviathan came out, you needed an item to upgrade your weapons. BiS and materia got utterly wacky for WHM/BLM, so after that, we stopped getting wands entirely and PAL shields were often just handed over with the sword as a set.
Off-handed gear is still used on every DOH/DOL job.
@@bolladragon It's a bummer they went that rout and just took it mostly away. I'd like them to reintroduce it still if they can work out the long term problems they had the first go at it.
@@bolladragon yeah I liked the Levi wand for whm, I did always wondered why 2 handed weapons for WHM BLM were taken out after HW though, thanks. Scribe should touch on that
God, I would love secondary weapon options again. Having only one weapon you can use per job is stupidly limiting.
I think the speculation I've seen of Beast Master naturally fitting a limited job (presumably in a specified zone within the New World) seems fairly reasonable to me. People obviously love pet battles as has been thoroughly demonstrated elsewhere and the Beast Master could provide the basis for that form of content, and it wouldn't have to be balanced against the rest of the game.
They have a lot set up that could be expanded on, Geomancy, time magic, the Azim Steppe sets up jobs like Psychic, Green Mage could easily come as a DPS off shoot of Scholar with their ties to disease and ailments that have been downplayed, Limsa has so much set up for something like Pirate or Corsair, the way Dancer works in lore could also set up Psychic or even something weird like Orator, Illusionist or Judge, influencing people's minds, feelings or dynamis to assert control over them or go the more Mesmer-y route with illusions and clones since Bard seems to be leaning into Archery more than the more mental influence route. There was even set up for Exorcist with both Gosetsu and the Chinese New Year event, or even a SMN/RPResque light aspected job since we've seen essentially, Sin Eaters be summoned in Amdapor much like the example or Voidsent being bound to statues, could be a cool set up for a kinda Puppetmaster job or something that leans fully into what they tried to half do with egis. I can't wait to see what new jobs they come up with because there is so much already set up to pull from to make very interesting jobs. I do hope for more difficult and/or weird jobs, not a fan of sub jobs or cross job abilities because I played back in the day when meta basically forced everyone to run the same things so it was more limiting ironically, because you never touched most of the stuff available if you did group content.
One of FFXIV's biggest limitations is its focus on DPS above all. Everything essentially being a DPS means less varied mechanics for other roles, and often ends up making those roles more boring. Once you know how to do it, maintaining enmity as a tank is extremely easy, and you almost never have to worry about positioning besides pointing whatever away from your party. Then it just turns into a DPS that faces backwards. Healing is something healers should try to do as little as possible, because the best healing is ending combat as quickly as possible. And while the ranged physical jobs do have some support utility, there can't ever be any dedicated support jobs(Time Mage, Green Mage, etc.) because it would disrupt raid composition. This limitation is extremely difficult to overcome because it's so integral to how the game is built, and would require probably several expansions of overhaul and tuning.
I agree. I'm happy we have at least, say, RDM, but still. I miss buffers and actual buffs.
Yeah I was sad cone aoe was removed from WAR, that was its charm playstyle
it wasn't as big a deal when tanks and healers had their own rotations and mechanics like stance-dancing, could you believe that WAR was considered one of the harder classes in the game at one point in time because of a bunch of mechanics no longer present? and healers would juggle cleric stance, keep up their DoTs, etc, and actually have something to do
now they have single-button rotations with a 30 second DoT yet don't need to heal any more than they used to because there's so many cooldowns that they can just get away with ogcd healing
I'm just starting to wonder whether there's even a good amount of hands on the job team. People throw around some ridiculously low numbers (2-4), but the credits don't specify who's working on jobs.
No idea, but that would be interesting to find out.
I want Onmyōji as a Job. Look at the Seiryū fight for anyone who doesn’t know what that is
Summoner
@@jolt187 there's so much more to it than just summoning. See Summoner now is an actual Summoner no more of that damage overtime crap
What I hope is that if we stop at level 99 next expansion, classic FF style, we then expand further into what we gain at lower levels since there's some gaps and growth concerns that are more prevalent than ever thanks to EW's job updates. Most of the new abilities we get have zero connection to the job quests that unlock them, anymore. Plenty of said abilities could easily be funneled into lower content to flesh out the experience for newcomers and veterans alike
Some more notable ones imo being (feel free to share your own):
NIN refreshing huton with its aoe combo before 52 and armor crush before 54
WHM with lilies and asylum before 52
DRK with dark missionary before 76 (great start with bringing stalwart soul down to 40 like the other tanks' aoe combos)
Which in turn opens up gaps in later leveling that now can be filled. A huge chunk of jobs have empty space at level 58 for no reason other than they lost something between SB and ShB's job changes. And now SMN has tons of free space to expand thanks to its huge rework. The sky's the limit, CBU3!
Ive personally been hoping that we were going to stop at 99 just for the aesthetic
BIG AGREE. The job system has felt a mile wide and an inch deep since ARR.
The balance between melee and ranged is one thing, but I'm surprised you didn't discuss the balance between each role to the other roles
Tank - 4
Healer - 4
Melee - 5 (split across 3 gear types)
Ranged - 3
Caster - 3
Looking at the numbers, it's clear that we're missing a fourth ranged, a fourth caster, and a sixth melee. To even better support this, their reasoning behind adding Reaper was that DRG has been the only job with maiming gear since ARR. But that also applies to Ninja with scouting, even though it shares accessories with ranged. They've never repeated a role through expansions, that cuts out melee and healer for 7.0. Now look back to previous expansions. ShB added a tank and a ranged. SB added a melee and a caster. Ranged and caster have three jobs in them. 7.0 will have been approximately four years since a ranged, six years since a caster. I'm putting my money on those roles if we get two jobs in 7.0. And then our sixth melee with scouting after that. No damn clue what will come beyond, since that'd break the lineup once more
See its kinda that logic about Reaper and Dragoon that when we first saw Dancer I felt it would share scouting gear.
We're already really melee heavy. A 6th melee would have it as a role having 50% more Jobs than any other role.
I know people want to break things down by armor types (e.g. scouting), though for the life of me, I've no idea why they haven't combined either Scouting and Striking or Scouting and Aiming at this point. If all the Ranged used Scouting - which makes sense for archers and machinists, honestly (and neither "Scouting" nor "Aiming" really makes sense for dancers) - the problem would go away. They already share right side gear.
@@SubduedRadical well it’s either we end at 4 4 6 4 4 or we keep going until six of each
It’s all up to CBU3
Since unless they do merge scouting and aiming-I hope they don’t, I love scouting armor from SB on-we’d be leaving ninja without a buddy for good
But at the same time yes there’s something to be said about three melee armor types and two more than any other role which is how it ended up by proxy when we got SAM and it was emphasized with RPR
Ninja needs a buddy, I hope it gets one next :D That would mean 6 Melee DPS and 6 Ranged DPS if you combine magic and physical.
Would actually be cool if it was a Melee Hybrid Geomancer with 1h Mace or Axe and casted spells like it's FFT style, but I don't really know what to expect to share with Ninja. NIN and RDM are also Range+Melee at same time if you think about it.
That’s nice and all, but it’s pretty clear we need existing jobs to have more decision and depth to them, as the job system is a mile wide but an inch deep.
I’m still holding out hope that we’ll one day see a Ranges DPS job that fights with a Blitzball, preferably one built as a support based around inflicting debuffs on opponents.
The Yevon Prayer will be the Victory Taunt. :)
I don’t think they will ever introduce a debuff job based on how all FFXIV fights are on a consistent script. Also any job that can constantly debuff the defense or damage of a boss would be legitimately the best job in the game bar none, just look at ninja and old trick attack.
You could do a lot of cool animations with people tossing, kicking and spiking a ball shaped object with some spins and flips thrown in so it's not completely out there as a concept.
Another way they could do it is have your character call out "plays" as buffs like an athlete would do with their team on the field
I personally would like rune-fencer/mystic-knight as a job, yeah I know RDM kinda is already that in a way but if they do it right it could be pretty cool, besides it would be the first magical melee DPS (yeah I know NIN mudra counts as magic damage but still)
They won't get put in because they confirmed they're not adding any more old FF jobs, all the new ones will be unique to XIV so no Mystic Knight or Rune Fencer since those are in other games.
@@sharpsCASF i dont think there something that wpuld be as a whole be only ff14
I'll always have a candle lit for Beastmaster. As a full job, I could see it as a ranged physical job using throwing axes as primary, with a sort of Tamers' Bell accessory akin to the RDM's focus or the MCH's aetherotransformer. Since pet entities seem like a nightmare for game design, instead the BST might have a 'ranged' phase where they focus on weapon skills, and a 'command' phase where the pet is mechanically a tether between the player and the target represented by whatever companion is glam'd to facilitate other abilities. The pet doesn't 'exist' on the battlefield outside of appearance.
As a limited overworld job, Beastmaster would probably be the first step towards a fellowship/adventuring fellow system to sunset FFXIV down the line as it wanes in popularity. Charming is out of the question, but a jug pet system might let them take another crack at the Chocobo companion AI to make it more competent or customizable. Though, to what end I don't know, probably for another Eureka/Bozja realm where things just work differently. Or maybe even just fun options for Duty Trusts.
As a minigame/sidequest chain, I can see the New World or some other continent having an arena system where you assume control of a monster in a series of challenges like the Masked Carnivale.
I'll take just about anything so long as it means some version of the FFXI artifact armor makes it into the game. That's all I really want.
I loved that idea!
I'd just exchange the axe for whip
I’m hoping Necromancer gets in. Based on lore Necromancy itself is horrible BUT we know our friends spirits came to help us in our trip to Hydaelyn. So I was thinking possibly Meracydia may have a culture around rightfully laying the dead to rest by channeling the spirits of former good hearted warriors. Combine with other spells naturally shaped by their culture over there we would have MANY options to choose from depending on what it’s considered role-wise. It could channel shades from our memories and be a Necromancer in name only as well 🤔
Much more likely would be some sort of Voidmancer, seeing as Reaper already taps into a pact with a voidsent. A minion-based (at least in animation, sending out claws from voidgates or a gaping maw below a bunch of enemies?) caster, perhaps - or even a mix of that and Puppeteer, making a magical physical caster of sorts that attacks at range with their voidsent-inhabited puppets.
I think when I say I want new jobs, what I really mean is that I want new lvl 1-90+ questlines/experiences. In a game so rigorously gated by story, the jobs added in each expansion starting at higher and higher base levels made them feel more and more shallow, regardless of abilities. There just isn't enough of the job woven into the lore of the world, no NPCs to follow us through the game, or philosophies that change as the regions and scope of power changes. And I know for certain I won't get anything close to that from this game anymore, they made that abundantly clear with the workflow of developing the role quests in Shadowbringers and Endwalker. I'm mostly fine with that.
Big agree. Though, I can’t say I’m fine with the step toward role quests. That’s a huge mistake in world/lore-building.
Pirates and pistols are in the game for a long time. A pirate/privateer job could be a melee version of redmage where you would be melee first to build up some resource, then go ranged before jumping back in to melee. The ranged phase could be pistol shots for single target and bombs for aoe. Basically a non magical reverse red mage. Weapons would be scimitar/saber and pistol.
That was basically what was MCH former class. My theory is they did not have time or concept lore enough to add a buccaneer during ARR. So they added it instead to HW as a 30 job. Each expansion has always had 2 new classes exception being HW.
I don't see Geomancer too far out of the realm of possibility. We get to fight with one in the Endwalker job quests.
Geomancer in the game is just the Hingan name for conjurer - they might add a support focused caster but it will need a different name.
I have to say I'm worried about the oversimplification of jobs. If they want every job to look, play and feel unique, then removing the flavor of those jobs seems like a really damaging move.
I recently started to play healers and tried out the different options. How disappointed I was when I found out that astrologian's cards all had the same effect, or when I found out that Eos and Selene don't do anything different from one another, but that they kept the two buttons anyway. If they're both still in the game for visual preference only, make it a /petglamour.
I know that players have optimized the fun out of those creative choices and that the dev team prefers not to waste time and resources on things people won't ever use, but I really don't want FFXIV to become like WoW : a cold numbers obsessed MMO, balanced for the sake of balance, with a fun police here to patch every fun and emergent mechanic out of existence. Not saying that it is that, but I've seen it happen once, and it was enough.
tell that to cutscene skippers/hardcore raiders
@@wontononionslicer1004 does the game really have to be designed around them though
I'm sad cone is gone for WAR, Carbuncle doesnt do anything, and AST cards and gauge doesnt even have to stack to get the full effects. QQ I cannot even mention the other DPS jobs that got butchered because they all did in some way or form. I miss the DRG aura effect, I forgot the skill for it yet we havEstinen preform it in the EW cutscenes while we cant. That was something cool and unique to DRG.
yeah it's brutal, WAR has nothing left but heals like old DRK, DRK no longer heals like old DRK because they removed it yet made WAR have that healing and also dramatically reduced its complexity and satisfaction, and healers across the board all got dumbed down a bit
as a BLM player, i can only thank yoshi p that such a fate hasn't yet befallen our class, but i spend each expansion launch wondering what they'll remove to try and narrow the skill gap issue they hate so much (which won't ever be resolved by virtue of BLM's nature anyway), it really sucks the fun out of things - i got lucky that only enochian got removed this expac, it wasn't even a concern for experienced BLMs anyway, but man do i worry for the future
Green mage, druid like, nature themed dot mage. Maybe poisoning through nature, entropy stuff etc.
One thing that would have been an interesting tidbit to mention is that in the beginning, people needed to get to a certain level in 2 basic jobs (I think it was 30 primary and 15 secondary) in order to unlock advanced jobs. For instance, you needed Conjurer 15 and Gladiator 30 to unlock Paladin (if I remember correctly) and Black Mage required Thaumaturge 30 and Archer 15. They got rid of that requirement a long time ago, but I always thought it was an interesting mechanic.
I think that for the next expansion they should have ZERO new jobs. Instead, put the focus on getting existing jobs where they want them to be. We know they're aware that some jobs are in dire need of full, or partial, reworks and that they don't have the resources to do them all at once (which is why only a few jobs got reworks in EW AFAIK). After all current jobs are in good spots, I say start only adding one and make it the Meteor Survivor's job for that expansion's marketing.
I have an inkling that the next job is going to be a hammer based job. There's Gaia and a weapon for WAR that's a hammer. I think a Tank with a sledgehammer centered around heat. Basically a very combative Blacksmith/Armorer, as for names maybe Forge Master (I'm not good with names.)
Another cool idea would be a Geomancer/Taoist themed healer with a fresh coat of paint. Using hand bells as weapons and the power of songs and the elements.
Honestly, my wish has always been for an additional Magic DPS job, and for that I thought of something called "Occultist". As far as I know, it only came up as an FF job in the now defunct Mobius FF, so it's relation to FF is thin at best. Seeing as Summoner lost its DoT tools in EW and how you referenced newer jobs receiving the removed skills of old jobs, I was thinking Occultist could be a DoT/Debuff oriented job, whose playstyle revolved around debuffing enemies and then capitalizing on damage multipliers related to the number of debuffs on the enemy. Doesn't really have much to do with how the job originally worked on Mobius, its really grasping at straws to even consider that YoshiP will allow DoTs to be that relevant again, but hey, one can dream.
I mained Occultist in Mobius and would love to see this idea fleshed out
I would like to see it happen as well, but I don't think it would be named a occultist, as it is actually the French name for the thaumaturge class, but I really hope to see a job like what you said in the future
@@shard4155 Oh, didn't know that. Maybe "Hexxer" then? It's from a completely different game series, but it fits the description.
@@Ningflingslinger Evoker. It will be called Evoker.
I absolutely adore the job system in Final Fantasy. It’s done masterfully, here. It’s the ONE thing I miss most in the modern FFs.
Id love to see subjobs implemented. Even though you can play every job having a supplement job can really elevate the gameplay potential. Maybe by having subjobs locked at half max level cap would be the way to implement the system to prevent overloaded kits.
You know, say what you will about Guild Wars 2, I liked their specialization system. Keep the same class, but while using another class’s weapon to slightly flavor the base class. I could see that being a good way of allowing some old jobs with some overlapping flavor.
Imagine a MNK playing with a DRG’s staff, or a SAM using a gunblade with Sen cartridges. And this is just using the system in place with no additional weapon assets being made. I feel like a lot of jobs could get some new alternate weapons that change some of what the job focuses on. Give AST a bell and let them be Geomancers. Hell, give the WHM a different weapon and let them rock an Elementalist skill set, since they already have Stone and Aero.
I don't think that keeping ranged and melee only one job apart was a specific, conscious choice. I think they have various paradigms of job classification to work around, in order to justify adding a certain role at any given time. There's the Ranged/Melee classification for sure, then there's the Tank/Healer/Melee/Ranged classification, then the Tank/Healer/Melee/Phys.Ranged/Magic.Ranged classification, then there's the Fending/Healing/Striking/Slaying/Scouting/Aiming/Casting classification. When the added Reaper for example, it wasn't just to balance out melee/ranged, but to add another role to the Slaying category.
There's also the 'how long since a given role last got a new job' question, and that puts Magical Ranged squarely in the crosshairs. There's also a Scouting melee job, but we've just had a melee dps in EW...
So I'm expecting one job at a time form now on, 7.0 gives us a magic ranged, while 8.0 gives us our scouting melee.
I feel the existing jobs need to be fleshed out before we get any new ones. Warrior's similarity to DRK comes to mind.
Yup but they've chosen WAR over DRK and are trying to make DRK a clone to WAR, a job that it's own uniques
I would love to see a melee DPS class that uses quarter staffs/bo staffs/seven section staffs, if anything it could be based on the lore of the Auspice's of Othard, and their LB3 could be based on Qitian Dasheng's staff
You already can with Edda's scythe that's sold on mog station
I’ll be honest I hope they are inspired by GW2’s Mesmer class. Mostly cause I love that class and I’d enjoy seeing how they treat such a class. Though GW2 has a completely different system.
I suspect we'll get Green Mage for 7.0 as a DoT-focused Caster, likely using some aspect of SMN's old kit.
A job that focuses on inflicting and refreshing DoT's, that can use their DoT's to cast powerful attacks, and that could also offer defensive/offensive utilities, sorta like with SMN and RDM having shields and DPS buffs.
Thank you for an interesting and informative presentation. There is one additional pattern in the game's job evolution which I was surprised you didn't cover. Specifically, no expansion has ever included a new job in the same slot as the one just before it. For shorthand I'm going to use T, H, M, C and R for Tank, Healer, Melee, Caster and Ranged Physical jobs. Now look at the releases by expansion: Heavensward-T, H, P; Stormblood- C, M; Shadowbringers-T, R; Endwalker-H, M. No repeats, which means the available slots for 7.0 are T, C and R. Given the melee/ranged balance pointed out in the video C+R is out, leaving T+C or T+R. Since the last caster was in Stormblood I'd put my money on T+C. Both slots have huge opportunities for innovation. Consider shape shifting as a theme, similar to the Reaper's shroud ability. I don't expect FF14 to have bear tanks, but Vauthry's transformation into Innocence might work. Perhaps a gift from one of the twelve? Something like the Messmer tank in Guild Wars 2, or the Sons of St. Coinach discovering allagan secrets of power suits would be interesting. For casters magic can do whatever you want it to do. A missing theme in FF14 is the dark magic user, such as Necromancer or Warlock. The Black Mage back story leans that way but the job is an elementalist using fire and ice, not death magic, void magic or demon magic. Just ideas to dream about. Happy dreaming all!
FF11 wasn't the first to split jobs, that I believe was pulled from Final Fantasy Tactics... In my opinion, job splitting wasn't so bad, it made things more interesting. I personally loved mixing Samurai and Monk, I was a slice and dice machine! And it looked awesome when my samurai could use monk kicks! It was so fun.
I miss original astrologian it was a lot of fun, busy work and fit the lore better.
I played ffxi as redmage and also bard I miss using instruments as my main weapon ( funt fact ffxi bards can sing with instruments unequiped).
i love magic jobs so i would love to see more healers but ESPECIALLY more dps casters that are things other than [x] mage
as much as i would love something like green mage (even though that’s basically what a conjurer is), the variety that things like arcanist, summoner, and scholar offer in terms of unique ways that people have found to manipulate aether is so interesting to me, and i would love to see something brand new and exciting like that
The jobs I wanna see are:
Beast Tamer
Green Mage (1st Magic Tank?)
Templar or Cleric (1st Physical Melee healer?)
Druid
Pirate (Sword and Gun DPS allowing for mid-range combat similar to Red Mages)
All I want for a new job myself is Mystic Knight, ideally dual wielding scimitars or something to kinda lean into the sort of 'Arabian Knight' style they had in FF Vs sprites. But this is also a point of selfishness on my part because one of my characters is modeled after a character I made who is a battle mage who dual wields curved swords summoned by magic, so eh.
And it would play a bit like a "physical" Red Mage since that's essentially what it was in FF5. Honestly I'm convinced that they keep the label "Ranged Magical DPS" in order to introduce a "Melee Magical DPS" and unless they create an entirely new job for that, Mystic Knight is the perfect concept for that role.
@@silvergrove8517 I was honestly imagining something like a weird combo of RDM and Samurai, actually. Where you're building up elemental runes with your 123 combo and maybe an elemental phase that augments them or something and then expending the runes for big super moves or some funky FF XIV shit.
I like the idea if sub jobs, or better yet I would like to see customization in the way of talent trees, either 2 or 3 different trees that can swap some classes between tanking or DPS, or multiple DPS styles but different play styles (pretty much the old WOW trees). I feel that this would solve a lot of que time issues (I know they are not as bad as they use to be), but if I was leveling SAM and it had a tank option then I could swap to the tank play style for better ques but it is also leveling the job that I want to play. It is the one real fault that I have with the game and that is that they are so focused on balance between the jobs that every person that plays a certain job has to play the same basic way. this is why they will never make blue mage a normal job as it has these freedoms that I love so much, and it sucks so much as blur mage is my all time favorite FF job.
They’ve already introduced Geomancers in the MSQ, and they are in XI already so I think it’s likely for that to become a playable job. Its my opinion we should look at Yoshi’s comments about only introducing brand new jobs into FF with XIV as grains of salt.
Yeah I agree.
I would like to see them create a hybrid job system like in final fantasy tactics. I play Gunbreaker and Sage, and I would do love to be able to combine some elements from both of the jobs I love.
They will never add that to a decade old game which struggled with that exact thing in the beginning. Hope is not a bad thing but don't get your hopes up for things that have been tried, failed and will never be implimented again. They need to focus on making the current jobs fun and complex enough without being too easy. Adding other jobs abilities will completely distroy all sense of balance and waste time.
After watching this video when you released it, I mentioned the idea of another melee dps coming in the next expansion in my FC and just got a very smug "That's impossible, they just gave us reaper. It's pretty obvious, I don't know why you'd think they'd make another melee DPS again."
Sigh. Some players think simply playing a video game for years = "I'm always right, and all I know is all I need to know."
When ARR first launched it had a quasi sub-class system. And thank god they got rid of it.
Be cool to see the Urumi (Sword Whip) in the game. Can see it being used as a tank weapon.
There is that one DRK weapon model that's kind of a spine that moves like a whip when you sheather/unsheathe it!
I'm keeping up hope but not holding my breath. I started playing the game at the tail end of Stormblood and loved seeing the absolute variety of abilities like the AST cards that I studied all throughout playing ARR to get ready to unlock it. Then ShB "simplified" a lot of things for lack of a better word. Now so many jobs kinda feel the same, especially since a good variety of them are builder-spenders with a different job gauge. DRK still has a Fell Cleave 2.0 and the removal of Hissatsu: Kaiten from SAM felt so outta left field when it was a big defining button since SAM's release.
I visually love how Reaper looks but mechanically it's not that engaging to me personally, same with Summoner. Again, I absolutely love the visuals and the fantasy of actually summoning Garuda and having her SCREECH but that enjoyment only lasts for so long when I'm pressing the same button over and over again for hours.
I've started to look to other mmo's like FFXI and GW2 for more variety, utility and personality in their class designs because unfortunately FFXIV just doesn't give me that. It's all just buttons to either do more dmg and let your teammates do more damage with a different paint job slapped on it
Couldn't agree more. I went back to XI for a bit since I miss variety. A lot of jobs feel samey and the abilities [increase DPS by x%] is boring, along with no difficulty below current content. I really don't like the direction the game has been going since ShB.
I would like to see more crazy limited jobs. I know they would have to create 90 levels worth of assets but I feel like there is so much design space that goes unutilized.
I've always wanted a "Gambler" job where your trying to manipulate luck to your advantage. It could be a sort of puzzle for the min maxers trying to get the best stats out of a constantly changing slot machine
i used to be very much on the side of "geomancer is never gonna happen because there's no way they could make it's terrain-based magic gimmick work in 14" but i could see them pulling a sage and making a more druid-ey class with whm's old stone/aero/water spells and smn/sch's old poison dots (they could also call it Green Mage like tactics lol)
i still really wanna see a blitzballer class though, but i know it's way too silly to be a main job lmao
i think another big thing is Class Fantasy, they wouldn't make classes that overlap too much with what another class has going on, like i see a lot of people saying they should add a rune fencer or spell blade class, but Red Mage kind of allready has that covered, or people asking for Berserker when Warrior's whole thing is that it's a very archetypical berserker/barbarian class
It's so interesting coming back to this after they announced Beastmaster is coming to Dawntrail as a Limited Job. I honestly don't mind the more customizable ones being Limited, especially if the two can play TOGETHER. We need Blu/Bst parties for sure.
I just want a necromancer, man. Fighting the Spectral Necromancer in ShB was such a huge tease and really got my hopes up for nothing.
I hear that, I did a Necromancer class concept for Uni that used an ouija board planchette with a small rod for the weapon. I'd love to see if they do something similar if they do create a Necromancer class.
I see all the hope Necromancer has. But as a lore man it's hard for me to see it happening. Necromancy on the Source is infamously evil and torturous to souls. But hey, they released Reaper who has a diet voidsent. So I guess anything is possible if you stretch the lore enough!
I genuinely think a "void mage" is more likely than a necromancer at this point
They got away with reaper being a garlean-based assassin that draws power from a linked voidsent
But directly tampering with the deceased to raise them as mindless thralls or worse? As the WoL? Yeah, no
With the newfound (pun intended) focus on the thirteenth I could see us delving into more of how people wield voidsent with magic
Effectively pairing the involvement of the void from thaumaturgy/black mages of mhach and gaia opening rifts in E2 into a job
@@SynodicScribe I'm of the same opinion, I have no idea how they would work in necromancer with the setting they've established so far. There's also the issue of it probably needing to be a pet job(raising undead combat pets to go fight), which the devs dislike.
What if necromancer didn't focus on raising skeletons and zombies, but instead on spirits and ghosts? (Endwalker Spoiler warning) We've been to the lifestream and seen that they can have power, what if necromancer instead borrows power from those resting in the aetherial sea? It would solve the "The WoL is good, necromancy is really bad, so no" dilemma, since we're asking and receiving strength from departed souls who willingly give it, and you don't have to worry about the hero of the story desecrating corpses.
Would be cool if they gave every base class a second job, like they did with Arcanist.
We could earn a DPS Marauder called Berserker, a Beastmaster/Ranger as Archer, a Geomancer Conjurer, an Assasin Rogue, maybe even a Priest style Pugilist that's a Melee Healer with decently high survivability!
I'd love melee healers tbh, something like a Cleric since we have no godsworn classes in a way, miss those from WoW.
Loved it
I mean it's sounds really interesting and creative but with the current systems in place it is absolutely impossible to make 2nd job unlocks from classes. If somebody would want to unlock those jobs but doesn't have the class even unlocked, that would mean they would have to go down all the way to level 1.
@@WyldChoerry that's not at all a bad thing imo, its quick to go from 1 to 30.
@@shiranuiraccoon7521 I'm more thinking about the scenario where someone wants to level it up 90 because they got so enamoured by the job they want to go through MSQ with it. Besides I'm pretty sure that if people heard that they would have to go through ARR levelling again most of them would despair so much that they would bring the Final Days all by themselves.
I loved the FF11 job system, so cool, especially how the player base kept on surprising the dev team for the party roles the job/subjob combo's would allow, such as NIN/WAR being a tank rather then the intended dps.
summoner keeps getting screamed at
make my carbuncle not act like a WoW shaman totem PLEASE!!!
I've been hoping that we'd get the Judge job in some for as a tank job. Unfortunately with the Law's Order sets released in Bozja I'm doubtful we'll get it.
You know... I feel like at one point our WoL should be able to create their own job, with all the experience, skill and power they have.
So... I kinda want a limited job based on that concept. Not sure what concept exactly we could use since Onion Knight is already taken by the Allagans though.
Other than that, I think having more limited Jobs tied to the lore would be really cool.
Things I'd like to see:
A non-MP using healer, much similar to Sage where it's a combat focused healer, but for a Mad Chemist you'd be cooking up different potions to bolster buffs and debuffs and healing but having longer cooldowns.
A reverse Red Mage style job, in which you'd be doing melee combat to then have a ranged dps burst. Something like a Corsair or Adventurer to have a whip, buckler sword, and a small pistol. This would also be a scouting gear job so that Ninja wouldn't be alone.
Green Mage or Sorcerer/Sorceress magic dps that applies tons of debuffs for support but can handle themselves. Could have a unique LB to bring in Rinoa's Angel Wings to boost the parties attacks into a beserk state.
Berserker tank, using dual hand axes, this tank would be a high risk/reward job that would inflict debuffs or damage to self to gain others. It'd have less mitigation than other tanks, but at the bonus of dealing more damage.
Lastly, a melee dps Spellblade/Rune Knight, much like the Tyrant job in Stranger of Paradise, they'd imbue their sword or weapon with magic that would change the moveset and animations. Fira adds more damage, Thundara adds speed to everything, etc.
I personality want Yoshi san to look into making more alternate jobs for the base classes. Like how archanist gets both summoner and Scholar. I'd be cool to see them add a pirate themed job as an alternate job for rogue, or giving pugilist a tank themed alt job.
1 will definitely be a male that shares gear with NIN. Obvious picks are pirate(sword and a gun), and thief. I would love to see a break dancing melee tho, fits the dex based thing.
Ranged? I still want to see a pve friendly version of BLU, but if not, probably a caster
So based on everything, it seems like its certain that the next expansion to introduce a Melee job with the SCOUTING gear set, and if there's still going to be 2 jobs, the other one will either be a caster or a range physical job, but more likely a caster.
Mainly spit balling ideas:
I think im in the; "Stick with and expand on the current system camp."
Honestly would love if they brought subclasses or a variant to the game. It was there early on, but dropped.
Bring it to 14, and really flesh out the jobs.
Like;
Warrior could embrace more of the inner beast and gain Berserker traits
Ninja could double down on its more Rougish traits and become Thief
White Mage or Astrolgian could focus on earth magic and Geomancer
Something akin to D&D, the main class and its variants. Introduce spins and new ideas for the same role
Give the player customization.
Almost all the NPCs we interact with show this;
Thancred is a Rouge and retains high level sneak skills, along with his Fighter/Gladiator style tanking
Yshtola is able to use geomancy of early Conjurer and mix in high level Black Mage skills
Urianger is able to use unique almost time mage like skills (and animations) as Astrologian
If nothing else it could be a new limited job, that lets you mix and match skills. Be the Melee to Blue Mages range.
Along with; a lot of 1.0 was thrown out, when i think some of it could still work if edited. Party buffs, utility between jobs, etc. Have fun again, because it is starting to become apparent how... robotic(?) it all is.
I agree on the digs at the meta scene. It worries me. When i see people discuss my mind wanders to;
"the jobs are losing their unique qualities"
well yes, cuz otherwise everyone would focus on what its lacking and you get a needlessly hostile comp/meta scene, like so many games before an after. AST lost their cards due to the higher dps
Bard and Dragoon use to share a buff, that would make them just stronger than the other options.
Summoner lost their pet due to everyone complaining about the pets ai.
I think i agree with others that a new engine would be a good choice, just on the premise of how action focused the devs are pushing the game. Along with a lot of the choices that result in some jobs losing their main gimmicks
I’d love to see a FFXIV version of combat trees. It’s an old consent so I’d hope they make it fresh somehow but I want more complex RPG decisions to make. I would love for there to be a noticeable difference in people who play the same job. That would give them at least one explanation where they don’t have to make a new job.
That would be nice, maybe summoners could have different primals.
I am and always have been a Summoner main. We have suffered many atrocities: the loss of Egi-Tanking (the entire purpose of Titan-Egi), of our many DoT's, of Shadow Flare; the lack of additional summons (besides Bahamut and Phoenix; I'm meaning Leviathan, Ramuh--whose Egi has been around in his boss fight forever--and Shiva); the unreceived glamours for our Carbuncles besides replacing with existing Egis and vice versa, etc. But I think we still have room to grow (both mechanically and in lore). Personally, I'd like to see us finally unlock the other three of the original summons; it'd be nice to have a non-limited ranged class that has access to all six elements (Ninja has all six; I've checked), and as of Endwalker and the revelations about both our nature and of Primal Summoning, I'd say we no longer need to be limited to just the three.
As for new classes, I'd love it if we got a Tank that was linked to Arcanist as well, just to complete the set. Perhaps we could follow in Ysayle's footsteps and learn to channel Primals through ourselves to borrow their power on the front lines? Also, as you pointed out, they like to take old job mechanics and give them to new ones, so perhaps a new physical damage dealer that is a DoT specialist (they could get around the issue of "too many DoT's" by having it be that there's only one DoT on the target, but it gains stacks for each unique DoT attack used, and then a different attack "detonates" the stacks for high damage in exchange for DoT removal); it could be a melee who does it, but I think a physical ranged with--for instance--a Blowgun and various toxins would be cool. Lastly, it'd be nice if they added a physical class that uses a Hammer as their weapon, since as far as I know there is no (non-crafter) job in the game that uses Hammers at all, nor any glamours that are hammers. It could be a job that is opposite to Monk in that it has a slower GCD in exchange for higher potencies.
But these are simply my personal thoughts; there are tons of viable concepts still left to explore!
Signed, a SMN main.
God what I would give to see the FFV Necromancer appear again in FF. It'd perfectly fit right into the game as well; it's NOT a pet class, but a dot, drain and debuff class, like a reverse casting Bard, who essentially give inverse buffs to the enemies and can stack and juggle tons of terrifying effects. We also don't have a class with a Knife, though we do have daggers, which was the Necro's main weapon, and would definitely fit into class fantasy with our journeys into the void as of 6.2 and onwards.
You know, I would love a Tank class that uses a Mech. Maybe its gameplay could be like revving an engine, slow start but gets faster over time. Also would be more on the mitigation side.
The story of this mech class could be about the difference between the Mechs and the Monks. A nice little opposition between strength in machinery and strength in the body.
Whatever the new classes maybe, I hope it's at least cool and fun to play.
I would actually welcome the idea of introducing sub-jobs to the game like FFXI. I once played as a Dragoon/Monk (Don't judge me). Some FF jobs I would love to see in XIV include Green Mage, Beastmaster, Puppet Master, and Corsair. I'm open to the idea of brand new jobs, but I wonder, after coming out with Gunbreaker, where FFVIII fans can be their version of Squall, Will these new ideas, these new jobs, be nothing more than taking a character concept from a previous FF game and warping it to be a job class? Will Terra's Esper transformation from FFVI morph into an Esper job? Tidus and Wakka Blitzball playing turn into a Blitzball job? (I'm still waiting for Blitzball to be introduced in XIV)! Or Cid's use of a mop in FFVII lead to a Janitor job? I have a suspicion that these new created jobs will be nothing more than taking specific character tropes from previous FF games and morphing them to Jobs like they did with Gunbreaker. FANSERVICE!! But that's just my thought on the matter.
I think they did a good job with GNB. Of course the base idea came from Squall but I believe they integrated it enough. Since DRK already exist, I doubt they would try the same with Cloud for example, since we already have a job with greatswords.
I also doubt that they would do something as silly as some of the examples given.
I don't see a problem if they created something like an Ink Mage based on FF6 Rem since it's a pretty unique set of skills, but at the same time I doubt they would try to create a job entirely based on Terra's Trance since it's just a powered-up mage after all, or Celes' Runic ability.
What I can see them do with Trance is add it as a temporary buff for one of the Mages as a burst phase for example. And for Runic, add it as a oGCD tank role ability for mitigation. Those are just ideas that allows to make little winks to the classic titles without going all-out and making jobs out pretty simple but memorable abilities.
@@silvergrove8517 Yoshi P and his team did do a good job with GNB. They made it it's own thing, but still, at least for me, whenever I see a Gunbreaker in the game, all I can think is Squall. Not necessarily a bad thing, just my personal take. Funny thing was when I was typing out my comment, I thought about Cloud and whether or not if they would do a Soldier class, but I agree with you DRK with it's greatsword, it would be very redundant.
Granted the examples I gave about Terra's Esper form or Cid's mop use Was an exaggeration just to get my point across. (Blitzball however I still see as a legitimate future Ranged DPS option). I'll agree with you that Rem's Ink Mage abilities from VI would make for a very awesome job class concept in future expansions!
And your suggestion of using Runic, adding it as an oGCD tank role ability for mitigation, As a Paladin main in game, I LOVE the concept!
What I would like to see is upgraded jobs like in FF3. I'd love to equip a second soulstone on my white mage and become a Devout like in FF3.
That would be great, but kinda limited to a couple of existing jobs.
1. GLA -> PLD -> KNG (Knight) or something else
2. CNJ -> WHM -> DEV (Devout)
3. THM -> BLM -> MGS (Magus)
4. PGL -> MNK -> BLB (Black Belt) or MST (Master)
5. ARC -> BRD -> RGR (Ranger) ?
6. ACN -> SMN -> EVK (Evoker)?
7. MRD -> WAR -> VKG (Viking)?
8. ROG -> NIN -> THF (Thief)?
Most of these are stretches and it leaves out the jobs that came after FF3, but I like the idea.
One cool way to use that would be in the next expansion since we'll likely cap at 99, you'd have a limited number of special soul stones (like the specialist crafter soul stones) that allows you to reach the symbolic 100.
Example: in 7.0 you get your White Mage to lvl 99 and get a special quest that once completed "replaces" your WHM soul stone with a Devout one and once equipped, you are now a lvl 100 Devout.
I'd be fine with new stuff for existing Jobs, even just cosmetic stuff, like dual-wielding for Dark Knight and Samurai, or staff weapons for Monk...
BST and PUP already exist in the game, as Garlean disciplines in Bozja. BST is a tank and PUP is a DPS of some kind, honestly could be classified as melee or physical ranged. With Garlemald being liberated, it would make sense from a lore perspective for us to learn them. I still want Blitzballer though.
I love your videos synodic scribe. Literally my favorite yt channel this year! Pls keep up the good work.
Ayyyy! That means a LOT to me! I'll keep it up!
I'm still in my own weirdo corner hoping that level 100 (or 99) will be forever the max level in XIV, and instead of continually trying to tack on new things to existing jobs that already feel "complete" (outside of smaller adjustments or reworks if deemed absolutely necessary), they move that dev time to introducing 3 or more new jobs per expansion instead. I really don't feel like we need the obligatory 10 levels to get through every expansion release, and obviously the more jobs that are added to the game, the more effort is required to "update" a class to the new max level.
While I agree with many of your points, I will honestly have to disagree with not using past jobs. I think while it is good to completely make new jobs for the franchise as a whole, it would be stupid to neglect jobs that so many people want that previously existed in other games of the series. While I don't think Geomancer will be added to the game (for likely lore reasons aka, potential tempering) I do think something like the beast master could be added, even if it's a limited job like the BLU is. And I do think there is still MUCH more room to fill, for instance a Rune Knight could be the most magically based tank in the game, sure it doesn't have a huge history. But a lack of history makes it all the more flexible to create
I can really imagine BST as a limited job. Traveling the world in search of beasts to tame and “collect” much like BLU spells.
Yeah, Beastmaster could easily be the "physical" counterpart to BLU
yoshi p mentioned not using past ff jobs in the future
Actually, Geomancers are already a thing! In the Ruby Sea, at least.
In some of the optional dungeons, you go against these bell-bearing priests that summon floods, tempests and earthquakes against you. As a matter of fact, geomancy turns out to be a sort of conjury! Though exactly how the methods differ I don't think is entirely clear.
@@sirthanksalot97 which dungeon specifically?
There are some skills I miss during ShB, I like to think that was peak. EW butchered alot of dps classes because "button bloat" "stats squish" , Tanks came on top and the 2 new jobs. Anyways I think they should better adjust the skill sets to better fit the job rather then copy paste dps across the board same for physical ranges because of the 2 aforementioned reasons before starting new jobs.
A tank with a hammer is a pretty big want. Gotta imagine theres a garleian wanting to stick it back at the empire. Maybe outside games but still square, a pyche user like the world ends with you with partner support skills that change based on the class you link too. And kinda outta nowhere kinda skys of arcadia love something fairly new with a boomerang
I'm a newbie to ffxiv so I may sound stupid saying this but I worry about bloat if there's too many jobs
I would love a magic caster … like psychic or something that will blow my mind
Class evolution system. when a personal limit break hits , jobs can progress to a higher tier job, with new skills and gameplay. Then go back to the "normal job" when the gauge is exhausted.
They did mention they might add Beastmaster as a Limited Job (probably stealing a lot from old Summoner, and going crazy with it). They mentioned this a good while ago in a Live Letter or two, before they released Bozja Southern Front with a nod that there might be a hint at a future limited job in that area (which there are plenty, a few bosses in there are Beastmasters). I'm up for them making jobs they would have problems balancing as Limited Jobs which gives them way more freedom with it.
To me Limited Jobs are more like content anyway, you do it for the challenge (attempting to do the Morbol Mount or get all the BLU Achieves and Spells) , the uniqueness (learning spells of enemies and picking the right ones), and the content designed for it (Masked Carnivale, BLU Log).
Granted I wish BLU had more love, being able to solo PoTD/HoH with it would be fun(even if its not ranked or counted on leaderboards), maybe them having PvP skills (balanced obviously, all BLUs would have same PVP skills, maybe common/unique spells are picked), something people want to come back to if they don't do the weeklies.
Having Beatmaster have its own challenges (taming all the beasts), uniqueness (needing to tame beasts) and content (dunno, maybe an arena to fight or train your beasts?) makes it feel more like a content "limited" job to me.
that customisation kinda existed in 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0 with the shared skills from the subclasses you needed to get your job. I miss my healing black mage with provoke
I guess that Mystic Knights would never be adopted because we already have Samurai guys with katana and Dark Knights who mostly was a Mystic Knight's reimagining beginning from FFIV. But anyway it may be cool to have katana-wielding tank class
I think they might take more inspiration from specific characters from previous games going forward. Like how GNB takes inspiration from Squall and Seifer and MCH from Edgar. Blitzer being based of Wakka is one I see alot of but you could also do Soldier and base it off Cloud, Zack, Sephiroth, Genesis and Angeal. An idea I had was a boomerang class called "Synergist" focused on party buffs with references to Hope and other elements from the FNC series.
Also I don't think they hate pet classes, I think they hate balancing pets. Which is probably why if they ever do BST it'll be a limited job, that way they can go crazy and not care about balancing.
My dream for Rinoa and Quistis to fuse to form Whip Beastmaster with Angelo Cannon. 😗
I just hope they make the tanks a bit more unique again. They all kinda feel samey now..
Do we need more jobs? I dont think so.. But im guessing they will add one or two more and leave it at that then. They already have so much to do now, with so many.
Equipment, balancing, skills etc.
If you mean PLD and WAR being samey now, yeah it feels that way. At least DRK was unique but they butchered it and left it where it belongs, in the dark. And GNB if fast paced DPS style they havent done anything fresh or new to it
Well saying that it was final fantasy 11, and that there were 11/11 it would make sense that final fantasy XIV job cap would be 14/14, but I doubt they would cut off any new jobs just because they hit a self-imposed cap, as one of the big things the players love about each new expansion is new jobs.
Well reaper was also added because they wanted to add another job into Maiming gear. So right now, only lonely gearset is Scouting which in my opinion would be perfect for Puppetmaster. Interesting thing they could do would be to add another Pysical Range DPS like puppetmaster, and give it scouting gear.
Overall honestly, I think Pysical Range DPS is kinda in a weird spot ,where they kinda are support ,but not really. So we could might as well get new Support genre where we could add future jobs that solely focus on support roles and dont have to try to keep up with other DPSs and give them more unique spells/skills.
I would love subjobs to be a thing. Playing through Octopath Traveler has made me really enjoy the sub job mechanic in the game and I would enjoy trying to see what worked best with my Monk or Ninja jobs. I would also like the job abilities to play more like they do in lore and for that to have more of an importance to how we play, if that makes sense. I think it would be great for immersion if the lore and history behind a job played a larger part in how jobs can be played and experienced, if there were more in game actions or implications for players based on what job they choose and make a bigger difference in things like interactions and how other characters see you, based on your job. Maybe that's too much of an ask, because it would be too much to program NPCs in this sprawling world to have different reactions and such to different jobs. It's just something I think would be cool. I think if they ever did add Beast Master or something akin to it, I'd love to try it.
I personally would love to Mystic Knight and Necromancer, mainly because those jobs need more love.
Riskbreaker (from Vagrant Story) with Scouting Gear.
I would like to see a melee DPS that uses a flail and maybe a crossbow like a vampire hunter type. And it would be the opposite of redmage. Most of its fighting would be in melee range the jump to ranged to do a big burst. I think that might be cool
I want a weapon less magic job called “spell weaver”. It’s weapon slot holds a “seal” which appears over ones face when the job is equipped. Yeah, it’s ascian thing. But good ascian.
I originally thought, when I heard about job crystals, that FFXIV had the sub job system, so I played an archer until lvl 50 because I thought I could add a healer or something like that as a sub class.
I would love to see a Puppet Master similar to Ragnarok II with the Noel race. This would be my ideal class if it was also a healer class but we have enough healers it isnt a possibility anymore. They also had a crescenta class but that's basically reaper
FFXI was amazing back in the day. Played for 1000's of hours. FFXIV is the modern post WoW version of it.
I wonder if we have something from the New World or Merycidia be brought over to Eorzea to learn. If they want to add a new job, I hope it has a compelling backstory and questline added with it.
job idea. Healer class/job chemist. Heals with potions and hurts with dot poisons and also able to produce buffs through chems. Just an idea i think would be great
no we cant really properly predict cause we got sage, an xiv original class(in function, not name), of course id love more original classes but i also really want rune fencer(magical tank) or geomancer
I'm new to the game. Came over last year a little before endwalker. I play pet classes in other mmos. Warlock and hunter in wow. Necromancer and engineer in guild wars. So naturally I gravitated towards summoner. While I don't miss the dots, I do miss the pet feel.
The job is flashy and cool still. Just it doesn't have that pet master feel.
I prefer more minion master archetypes. Like a necromancer with a small army of undead. Or in wow a demonology warlock where they constantly summon demons.
So my hope for a future job is a pet job. Hopefully one that goes into the minion master archetype.
Geomancer from Final Fantasy Tactics & Beast Master kind of like what Beast Hunter was in early WoW! I love the idea of Geomancy tons! I also love to collect them all Hunters! But like you said these two probably won't ever come to the game! I'd also love to see a Druid shape shifting class, if at all possible, like the one from WoW! Tauren was my fav & Druid was my fav class after Warlock! So those two (Druid & Warlock) could be contenders! If & maybe when we get new jobs, they will be unique to FFXIV!
Honestly. I want a class that deals with death and undeath. It's the one thing FFXIV does not have that I want. It doesn't even have to be a Necromancer. It could be some sort of spirit based type character. I feel that there is a lot of possible things that could be done with it.
tbh, i doubt there'll be one just because we've already got an avatar of death on reaper, a class that utilises kill rewards and takes arguably the only other unoccupied necromancer-themed weapon in the game besides a grimoire