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Abby: "Hello beautiful ladies!"
Me a straight male: 😀
Hey, her videos give us perspective, too.
what’s you being straight have to do with anything? jeesh!
Running And Video Games Most likely, most women aren't against women's rights.
I laughed so hard🤣
lmao
Getting ads for this person 3 times in the past 10 minutes should be grounds for a restraining order
lmaooo
dude i know like first of all it's annoying and second of all youtube ads are EXPENSIVE AS HELL how is she doing this
Exactly
Exactly! Maybe UA-cam’s having a hard day... 😵
As a non-binary leftist feminist I just have no idea why I’m getting a zillion ads the last few days for these videos. You act like feminism is antithesis to having family (makes no sense given a contemporary understanding of the movement) and you lump each and every left leaning person/group in with each other which is the exact thing you’re trying to dismantle for conservative women. DEAR UA-cam WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE? WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR ALGORITHM?!
I'm getting tired of seeing these ads, and the comment section makes zero sense to me. I keep clicking "stop seeing this ad", and it keeps showing up.
I keep getting these adds too, but each time it is a different video on her channel. I think when you click "stop showing" it only gets rid of that video, not all of them.
Same omg. I cant dislike them all
same!its like god please stop
@@bluffalo1600 That was my same thought. I keep clicking "stop seeing this ad", and they stop showing me that video and move onto another.
She's real desperate for attention. I've seen so many of her damn adds at this point, now I'm just disliking all of her videos
That is the first time I've ever heard that definition of feminism.
A lot of what this gal says about her preferences perfectly aligns with feminism, aside from the trash talking of other women and their own choices.
I respect this woman and her beliefs and her choices...but it sounds like she wouldn't respect me. I really wish women could stop hating on each other. Men don't seem to hate on each other as much as women do and it makes me so sad.
@@Racheldorenofficial I've noticed that, too! I myself am very similar to Abbey. And I've often found myself thinking, "I feel like I should be the poster child for feminism... Except I hate the feminist movement so much." I thought about it a lot and I came to this conclusion:
I really do 100% embrace all of the feminists' talking points. Like, women and men are equal. Sexism sucks. Women can do whatever they want. Men should never abuse or intimidate women. People should be held accountable for sexual assault, domestic violence, etc.
I played high school girls rugby, and I even attended the boys' team's practices. I had a Bachelor's degree at age 20 and a Master's degree at age 23. I do not feel intimidated by men. I do not believe that men should have any power that women cannot.
But I truly do hate feminism soooo much. And I thought about it for a long time and I realized that the only difference is that I think that all of those feminist ideals are self-evident (which is why they're so easy for me to embrace), and the feminist movement does not think they are self-evident (which is why they work so hard to convince everyone). To me, the mere fact that feminists feel the need to state things like, "Just because you're a women doesn't mean you can't _______," shows that they somehow don't believe it. Or at least that they used to not believe it. There is a heavy implication that women somehow ARE less than men and CAN'T do whatever they want. (Because if they really were, why would you need to assert it?)
I've been thinking about feminism for years now, and what I've observed is that it's usually women, not men, who restrict and limit other women.
It's kind of a weird thing. Very complex, to be sure. But I just feel like "being a feminist" is declaring yourself a soldier in a war that doesn't need to be fought.
Abbey is talking about being a classic woman because it's part of her religion, and traditional religion is super under attack these days. I am extremely grateful to her for putting herself out there despite the backlash, because it feels pretty bad not seeing conservatives in media very often if at all.
@@Racheldorenofficial that is rude and untrue.
Women are pitted against each other. That’s why. Feminists are always pitted against each other to help prevent the actual men from being challenged.
girl stop using ur channel as an ad, we literally don’t care
Obviously you do since you came over to comment, huh?
@@jenellebelle9828 I only care because it's getting annoying.
You can click the corner of it and choose “Stop seeing this ad”
@@jenellebelle9828 I have done that about 8 times now. The channel still keeps popping up. They will stop showing me an ad for that video and start showing an ad for another one of her videos.
@Areyanna No one is forcing me to click on it, but I am being forced to look at the ad after every 20 videos or so. I keep clicking "stop seeing this ad", and they stop showing an ad for that video and start an ad for another one of her videos.
I am interested in having a conversation with you about feminism. I am not aware of where or how you got or formed your definition of feminism but I think we have fundamentally different understandings of the concept and it’s complexities.
Jacquline Ard considering how fourth wave feminism basically just expands the scope and focus of feminism, in this case emphasizing intersectionality, how is it any more confusing than a person you may have known for a long time and who grows and changes over time?
The Bookworm those are not necessarily feminist terms, but they describe trends of phenomena. Man-splaining is what occurs when someone asks a simple question about something, perhaps just to clarify something, and instead of a simple answer to the question, a man decides to explain the entire backstory or reason behind why a thing is that way. Basically way more info than you were looking for and can be info you already know. *please note that this can occur completely unprompted. Man-spreading is when a man sits down and spreads his legs out, in a way reminiscent of claiming the territory around him and asserting his dominance.
Thank you. Feminism isn't about encouraging women to behave a certain way or to live a certain life, its about encouraging women to feel like they have a choice. It's not about never having children, not getting married, or not dressing in a feminine way, it's about not being pressured to do any of those. You seem to believe that women definitely SHOULD do all of those things. So you blame feminists for oppressing women but in reality you are insisting on the opposite. You have no idea what feminism is, and you have no business attacking it in every one of your videos. Stop fighting against an opponent you don't understand and instead take a little bit of time to understand it.
I agree sadly the media and a lot of UA-camrs focus on the loud crazy people and then go "this is all feminism is" I give people who really want equally and fairness a really bad name.
@gфøglэ рlûš I think some people shame women who do make the sorts of choices you described but those people aren't real feminists, though some will say they represent feminism as a whole. That's wrong and any real feminist knows it. The point is, do what you want, just don't make other people do the same thing. You are a type of feminist representation that Abby needs to see but apparently she can't.
Has this woman ever talked to an actual feminist?
Don’t think so
No and it shows.
No
You don't need to have a family to be feminine or to be a true woman though. You kinda make it sound like getting married and having kids is the only way to have a purpose and be responsible. But that's just as confining as the #tradwife movement. I know you're probably coming from the angle that getting married and having a family is the responsible way to use your sexuality, but newsflash, not everyone's lives revolve around sex. There's room to be single and be feminine too.
But for those who are called to marriage I think I agree with being a "classic wife" over a "trad wife." I mean after all a woman shouldn't be a slave to her husband....that's not what love or sexuality should be about at all...😬😅
Right?? Like there’s more to life than settling down into a trophy wife scenario...lol
Lili M. Quite frankly, that lifestyle is overrated. That is why so many wish to obtain it.
@Lili M. Yeah, I get all that. I just got a vibe from the beginning of the video that felt kinda like she was acting like all "real women" should have kids, or at least leaving out the fact that there are some women who aren't called to that. But I guess it's a video directed at women who want to be conservative wives, so it makes sense.
@@Theimmure People wish to have family because it's natural and human.🤷🏽♀️
Spidernymph As a matter of truth, I admit that doesn’t make much sense to me. It’s like the beauty standards. If this lifestyle not been as glorified as it did, or at the very least, had the hardships of parenthood were just as stressed, now many do you believe would truly want a family? Isn’t not wanting children is just as normal? I’m pretty sure those who don’t have any are not resisting a biological urge...
Is it so hard for you to accept that not all women want to be “feminine” or have a family
I’m pretty sure this is a video made for women who do
Is it so hard for you to not watch videos that dont pertain to you? I'm not over here clicking on fat feminist lesbians bitching about societal expectations.
Pippetandpossum wow, just wow. You don’t have to agree with their views but your attitude is disgusting.
@@madelyngarcia368 Exactly
Pippetandpossum That is offensive and inappropriate. If you don’t have anything worth saying (garbage) don’t say anything at all
Actually they don't. I work with my husband. We do dirt work, pipelines, roofing ,fencing . I run heavy equipment. Children do not fit into our way of life. Nor do we want to have any.
@Betty White what's so sad about it? I don't rlly want kids. It's called a choice.
It's sad because the best things in life come from sacrifice. Having children isn't immediately appealing to anyone. It requires tons of work and giving up a lot of conveniences, preferences, comfort, cash, etc. But when you make sacrifices for something you always get something much better as a result. Having kids brings so much lasting joy, universally, and it strengthens character and deepens love. So it's sad that you're choosing ylto forego those things because you'd rather not put in the work and give stuff up.
@@elizabethrobinson7148 she just said that it doesn’t fit in with her life? let it tf go hun, if she doesn’t want kids why is it sad? lmao.
@@elizabethrobinson7148 also, not everybody wants to go through the long process of bearing children, it’s not for everybody.
That just sounds sad
Why am I getting an ad for this? Why is youtube advertising such a video? That makes me angry. She’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Disgusting.
As someone who finds a lot of your new videos divisive...this was a very balanced take. A lot of these trad life couples seem to almost be larping as adults. It's not always financial feasible for a family, especially with kids, to live on one income. I saw a trad twitter account claim if they had daughters they were going to discourage them from going to college or taking interest in masculine activities like sports. That struck me as beyond out of touch with reality and I hope that person wasn't serious...
holly morgan denying a person to achieve higher education is wrong. Oh my goodness. That person could be a big help to society if they went to college.
Hey you hear about Nancy Regan? Heard she was a real suck up on the MGM lot. She throat gamed every dude there. Imagine anyone wanting to be a homophobic, racist knob gobbler hypocrite like Nancy. So conservative women are supposed to hoe themselves out discreetly till they hit paydirt like Nancy did with Ronny. Madonna may have her issues, but she never hid behind a scrim of false modesty and hypocrisy
As someone who is very active in Catholic twitter, I have seen some absolutely insane discourse on being “trad” and fulfilling your vocation of marriage in this specific way. I’m not 100% sure how people of other faiths talk about being trad but what you described sounds VERY similar, like almost to a T, to what many “trad” Catholics express online. I know we both come from different faiths and we do not agree on all things politically, but I really appreciate you making this distinction between classic and trad. It puts into words what I feel like I’m always struggling to say. My vocation is marriage, and I want to be a homemaker and have kids in the near future- but I also like my job and have put in the work to get where I am in the workplace and I hate the notion that I am somehow “less feminine” for not being a SAHM. It simply does not work that way for every woman or every marriage. We were all created uniquely and with different personalities and gifts, so to try and force every marriage couple into a specific box for how to live out your marriage has never made sense to me.
I think it's valuable for women to unpack the distinctions between "trad" and "classic." But why the need to trash other women in the process? Feminists support your decisions for yourselves. We deserve the same courtesy and respect. I think women should support women and each others' choices. I encourage you and your communities to try to have these conversations without denigrating women. I'm confident you'll recruit more adherents to your belief systems because your arguments will alienate fewer people.
How will you take care of the children if you keep your job? Curious to hear your take on this, 3 years later.
You lost me in the first minute. If you want to be “classic” that’s cool Abby. I don’t care. But judging women that believe in the freedom for dressing as they want doesn’t make you cLaSsIc- it makes you narcissistic.
It’s just not classic to wear a skirt so short you can see all there is to you, and a crop top, with tattoos/body mods galore. Edit: Nothing about that says Class. To have class is to wear clothing that respects your body and not overly disfigure your body (ie splitting your tongue, making yourself look like a dragon)
@@madeleinehoward-frank1025 And? Maybe they don't want to be whatever your definition of classy is. These "modern day feminist" challenged society so that you could wear whatever you want and be empowered, and you repay them by judging. FYI- your opinion of about me is not my problem.
@@Dreamllama17 she's not judging them, she just want that in her life.
Jessica Hello or maybe do the work yourself and look it up??
Jesus is King
Your value is not solely based on your husband or children. They certainty add to your value but you are not less than if you aren’t married or can’t/don’t want kids
I think you might be confused as to what feminists want for women.
The right to choose!
Femininity comes in many different forms, and while I appreciate that you make sure to include working women, you leave out so many who may be modest and elegant and your idea of feminine simply because they don't want a marriage or kids or are lgbtq.
I'm glad you found your niche in life, but this comes off as very condescending towards women who don't live your lifestyle.
I could easily fit into what you call "classic", except I'm a feminist.
You read my mind!
Yeah, but I think that's her point. She's not the best communicator, but I think what she's saying is the feminism is, like you said, all about encouraging all women to do exactly whatever they want, but her personal view is that it's better for society and individuals if they embrace their femininity and womanhood in the traditional sense and really work on those "classic" attributes like beauty, kindness, nurturing, maternity, empathy, etc. Women do by nature have an incredible proclivity for beautifying and improving the world around them. Abbey is an orthodox jew! So she believes that everyone should always be working toward being their best self. And she also believes that men and women are different, and that you can't be your best self if you don't embrace the qualities inherent to your gender.
So, feminists say be who you are, no need to change. And Abbey says everyone always needs to be better, and being classic is good for society and good for the self.
@@elizabethrobinson7148 she states rather bluntly that she does not believe in feminism, because she sees it as telling women they should only embrace femininity through sleeping around etc-- which is why I wanted to clear it up.
Her tonality is very condescending towards women who are LGBT, who like clubs, who don't want to get married or have kids, or who might not be interested in "beautifying" things. She has a very specific idea of what becoming better is, and is not open to different ideas of becoming better. If she is open about it, she needs to clarify and adjust her vocabulary and tonality. As a youtuber, she's a presenter and should always be working towards better communication.
@Elizabeth Robinson I also just want to add that there is no such thing as “qualities inherent to your gender” men and women are both capable of beautification, empathy, nurturing and being kind. If they weren’t there wouldn’t be male nurses, pediatricians, interior designers, and above all good fathers! Perpetuating that patriarchal idea further divides men and women and just isn’t helpful
@gфøglэ рlûš Respectfully, I disagree.
Love your videos! I am an atheist and I think it's really important to have a voice like yours out there that gives more balanced viewpoint of what it means to be a woman. We've been brainwashed into putting ourselves and our careers first and not thinking about our families. Many women regret this when they're at an age where having a family or making a career change that can support this gets hard. My parents sacrificed a comfortable life back home to immigrate and struggle to provide for their kids, and would absolutely do this again. I think these values of selflessness for your family have been lost in our generation due to the toxicity of feminism and the media. For some reason, women who take on the responsibility of having a family, taking care of them, and/or choosing children over careers are considered less ideal than women who choose to act like teenagers for the rest of their life. Kudos to you for keeping up your content despite the unnecessary hate.
I love this comment so much
You have a real story. But, do you necessarily have to give up your career for your kids in this society? And if you do, why would only women need to forfeit their careers?
i want to start trying to be feminine because my entire life i have completely rejected femininity in an attempt to "protect" myself, but i feel so confused and i don't know where to start with makeup and etc. because i never learned how and haven't had a mother figure for most of my life. :(
I hope that some of my content helps! :)
That's a noble pursuit. Aside from tutorials, I'd look for books or podcasts offering a view of the reality of feminity as opposed to the ideology of feminism. I've been doing that lately, and I'm really enjoying the quest.
you don't need makeup. you need self respect
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You don’t need makeup to feel feminine. Wear it if you actually like it. You don’t need to dress a certain way to feel feminine. you want to wear cute dresses because that’s you? Then wear it. You want to wear sweatpants? Then wear them. You can wear either style and still make a difference in society. The point of feminism is to encourage women to not be afraid to achieve their dreams and use their voice to stand up for things they believe in. Wear whatever your what. But your actions are what actually define you. Sometimes the cloths we wear can lead to labels, which is annoying. I feel like some women are afraid of dressing “girly” because they might be labeled as idk “too soft”. I felt this way for a while. you can be confident, strong, and woman dressing girly or not so girly.
It is so nice to hear a non liberal view! It's been getting more more one sided. I was liberal my whole life unti 6 months ago thank you for cutting a path Abby!
What do you think about women who opt out of having families? Can they still be classic? I can't have children and since I got married, it's all I've been asked about. I'm not interested in adoption or fostering. How to you respond classically when people act like you're failing your womanhood by not procreating?
I don’t think you can’t be classic. I don’t want to be married or have children (by choice and I also have had several medical conditions since I was a teen that renders me infertile). I do, however, value my family and dote on nieces and nephews. I am active in my faith and I do hold more conservative values, like Abby. I am also very involved in my community and I try to live the best I can everyday. I don’t think there are a strict set of rules to being classic. I think that as long as you have your priorities in line and value classic views, then it shouldn’t matter whether you have children or not. Having children isn’t for everyone and I don’t think that should hinder your ability to be a classic lady. So yes, you can be classic! Sorry this was long, but I do relate to this, so it’s an important topic to me.
Take inspiration from classic women like Julia Child who didn’t meet her husband until her 40’s and never had children but inspired so many people with her cooking (and her loving marriage!)
Abby would look down on you, period. Don’t look to her for validation.
Classic pilled
what exactly about what she is saying is pilled? tell me one
Kristjan Križman "based? based on what?"
Me, an enby, punk, gen z, acab, leftist, pansexual getting recommended this video: 👁👄👁
no right?like i keep saying not interested but i keep getting her,her face is starting to get annoying
Sammmee
@s t a r d u s t The fact that you used 'cringe' is just as bad as the video itself
@@jaboi7709 lol I know, I hate it too, just saying theres no need to call peoples comments cringey for no reason😂
@s t a r d u s t Imagine getting offended over a reply that's a WEEK old, like lol I was so confused when I got that notification because I didnt even remember this
I hate that haters dislike this video so often. Do they feel threatened by her?
i need girls like you in my life! when i'm around my liberal friends i'm a weirdo for wanting a family and liking gender roles. but when i'm in conservative spaces online i feel like i need to justify wanting a career and splitting chores with my boyfriend. this video just puts into words what i've been feeling for a long time so thank you so much!!
If your around friends who think you shouldn’t pursue that path, they aren’t doing very well. Feminism comes down to choice, and you get to make that choice for yourself. I don’t want to be told I have to live my life a certain way, obviously neither do you. Therefore, the freedom of choice advocated by feminism is something we’d agree upon!
@@danimosher9558 definitely! i totally agree. i think feminism can mean many different things these days. but i agree women and men should have all the same freedoms, obviously.
I'm sorry your liberal friends make your choices and values seem weird. As a liberal-leaning feminist I want to say that your choices are valid, and I'm glad that you know what you want in a relationship and as part of your life path. I truly hope you find a space, in real life and online (here or elsewhere) that you feel comfortable in and like you dont need to justify your wants.
@@rosemaryfox9212 aw that is so sweet :) thank you.
You mean splitting chores with your husband, right?
Very well said video! It bothers me when this gate-keeping occurs within the trad/conservative community. It also feels validating as a working mom who also has traditional values
You're so compassionate and people hate so hard. You go, girl! You are poised, elegant, nurturing, and killing them with kindness, honey.
So basically if I don’t have a family and if I don’t have a husband, I can’t be classic?
No you can be classic without a husband and children
@Betty White What if I have ugly kids?
Thatgirl Zoe but she just.......nvm
Sarah Dohring Sacrifice them
Yes.
Women do not have to have children to be feminine. Having children or no children is a choice (and in some sad cases it’s not) and either is perfectly OK biblically.
Politically I'm a huge leftist but my personal goals are to live that classic life as you call it.
So you're a hypocrite
Emotionally weak
Nah I just want to be a housewife and have some babies.
Audrey Delacour your political stances are about destroying for others that which you seek for yourself. You are too emotionally weak to apply your standards and expectations on the rest of society. Emotionally easy stance is leftist. I hope you don’t parent your kids with that low of expectations.
@@cinnamoslut so you want to prioritise your family but prioritise the state at the same time. HMMMMM
Where did you get the idea that modern feminism means working hard and ignoring your family? It's hard to believe you on these sort of things if we can't see any evidence, because I certainly haven't heard that definition before.
When people are traditional it doesn't mean we judge people who are not or that everyone should be forced to be traditional.
Women have a right to work or stay home.
To all the women saying that she hates women who aren't like her. She doesn't hate people who are feminists, rather she disagrees with the notion of modern day feminism, which is basically that women should do whatever they want and don't actually have any purpose in being a woman.
Like if a meninism movement was starting and it's goal was to empower men by telling them that they don't and shouldn't feel obligated to care about a woman and encouraged men to leave women because they don't owe a woman anything or whatever else sort of excuse.
Neither makes any sense, because like women, men have a purpose of being in this world. Aside from individual differences, men have an obligation to respect others and care for their wife and family. If they choose to reject this, they only cause their family and their society inevitable suffering.
Another great video Abby! I 100% agree! I was really excited when I saw the title to hear your take on this subject. It seems a lot of people on Twitter who call themselves "trad" have a strange idea that traditionalism means the husband should have complete control over his wife, she shouldn't be allowed to have a say in any importantant decisions, and that she should basically work like a slave for him. But I think in a "classic" relationship a husband and wife compliment each other best when they're both supporting each other equally and make choices together, and try to help each other become better as much as possible, not just one bossing around the other like an object. I agreed with everything you said and I hope to hear your thoughts on other topics soon too! 💖
Trad just means women opt to stay at home. It isn't forced and should not be forced.
In some cultures traditional norms are being polygamous, or acquiring many partners. If you’re referring to the accepted biblical definition of marriage (1 man with 1 woman), wives are to respect their husband’s role as a leader in the household. Being subject to her husband doesn’t mean she’s a subordinate who has less worth as a person. Adam said that Eve was “bone of my bones” in Genesis. Whether the words “traditional” and “classic” are interchangeable isn’t really the issue here.
Well, trad is also a dog whistle for antisemitism , and I say this as a Jewish woman 🤷♀️
It absolutely is, you'll notice how some of the (male,mostly) commenters will say they agree with her but hate that shes jewish or smth along those lines.
In a Jewish marriage, usually the woman is seen as a creator for biological reasons and other reasons as well. When a man gives his wife money she goes and buys a kitchen gadget, she buys supplies for her to build something like a book shelf, she turns that money in to food. As an Orthodox Jewish woman, the fundamentals of a marriage as outlined in the Torah is basically very traditional. Women are defined by their homes and families and it is seen by the fact that the laws of family purity rest on the woman’s shoulders. If divorce should be necessary, the woman is at her husband’s mercy because he is the only one who can give her a divorce. A Jewish Court cannot give a divorce, the husband has to be the one to do so. These are the ways of Torah and Torah is very traditional. We cannot change Torah but we can change the atmosphere. We can teach respect for one another and teach our future Rabbi’s, Rav’s, and scholars that in order to have a marriage functional you need to have both man and woman seen as equal parts of one whole. A man’s soul is no greater than a woman’s and when they are joined together in marriage one doesn’t become smaller or larger than the other. That needs to be taught in our Cheders, Yeshivas, and Seminaries.
Abby neè Shapiro’s clearly Jewish and proud to go against the grain and support traditional feminine values despite the connotations they may bear in the modern age
It's sad.🙁
Thank you Abby. You're also helping us men to understand some important issues.
Interesting distinction, though many people who call themselves "trad" would likely feel your definition of classic is close enough.
I think she wanted a hard line separating her from extremists.
No, Feminist ideas say “it is okay to want to be a mother and have a husband and live a traditionally feminine lifestyle and put that before all else, but It’s also okay to not want those things as they don’t define who you are”
Huh? I’m sorry... I think I’ve misunderstood this ENTIRE video? Are you saying, all women have to be the same? They shouldn’t show they’re bodies off?
I’m sooo, confused, can somebody please explain to me what tf this women is saying.
I appreciate the middle ground you're showing. Well-put!
Couldn’t get more on board with this take and honestly relieved that you’re not promoting the trad wife way of partnership
I see everyone talking bad about Abby but I don’t see anything wrong when I watch her videos
Lmao
Not all women are comfortable being feminine. Some women (who grew up, ironically enough, in trad/classical communities) were forced to wear dresses/be feminine or else face abuse and so they do not feel they express themselves or are comfortable in such clothing. You do you, but don't shame women or call them less of a women because they want to wear pants
All the downvotes on this channel are women who wish they were her....
I love your breakdown for the terms! Sadly, there’s not many wanting to be this way anymore.
>sooooo based!
>hello!? based department!?
>KEK! XD
>tfw incel
>sad frog face
>back to 4chan LOL
Hope she sees this
cringe
@@AIex8000 the mirror experience isn't easy for you I see
Thank you so much for talking about this! Lots of people i have seen use them use these terms interchangeably and i havent seen anybody make a video showing the differences!
I'm so glad I found your channel! My family is full of feminism but I 100% am not. I always thought I was alone in this thinking I wanted to be a wife & mom.
Hey I've seen my friends go down the drain. So sad for them, truly.
Am a feminist and am a wife and mom
So many commenters are essentially trying to gaslight people who agree with Abby. People who say "Abby is being narcissistic... judgemental... closed-minded... hateful... " are ignoring Abby's actual attitude and statements. Obviously, a bunch of them didn't even watch the video. What your eyes and ears perceive when the video plays is the reality of Abby's position - not comments by dysfuctional people who aren't listening. Hang in there. Don't let yourself be fooled.
I'm so glad you are clarifying your thoughts on this. Abby, I am thankful I found your channel recently! The people on your other videos accusing you of SO MANY THINGS have clearly not watched this video, nor do they care to understand you. There are people out here that are enjoying your content. Keep it up! Love and hugs! God bless
I'm starting to wonder if the other people commenting here are watching the same video as I am, because they aren't making any sense. I don't think that it's woman shaming to support and talk about a lifestyle where you present yourself as clean, sober and respectful instead of showing off that you can be a slob. It's not about telling the world that women can be sloppy - everyone can be sloppy - it's about showing the world that you respect yourself for who you are, that you value your body and your goals.
The comments about feminism are also very sloppy in both expression and fact. The movement that gained traction in the 1920s and the movement that exists today are very different, with different goals and ideal behaviors. Most of the people I've seen commenting here could use a step back, or maybe to go somewhere else. They don't seem to be smart enough to speak instead of calling names.
All the trad lovers coming here to complain about women not being ideal after being on 4chan /h/
I hate getting ads for this lady. Like, every time I see an ad, 8/10 it's hers.
There is not anything wrong with being feminine, or being lady like or being a stay at home mom. Feminists support women having OPTIONS. If a woman wants to be a mother go for it, if she doesnt want children go for it, if she wants to be a doctor go for it! Feminists worked so hard for women to vote, for women to pursue education, for them to make a living, to make a name for themself.
All of the things you listed have made women miserable. Btw, the birth-rate is at an ALL TIME LOW in ALL western countries. Have you noticed? Have you also notice most modern women now make bad mothers? Last of all, they have forgotten how to be good wives (if they even want to become a wife...)
I don't fully agree with your thoughts on the tradwife not being able to use her full potential. I do believe that husbands are the head of the home and are to love their wives, and that wives are to submit to their husbands. By having these different roles, husband and wife compliment each other, and by the wife taking on all of the house chores and that she is very much helping her husband, since he doesn't have to do more work on top of his job and he can just come home and relax. By having the husband going out and working, he is helping his wife by supporting her financially. His job is just as stressful if not more than his wife's. So, I reiterate, gender specific roles compliment each other in ways that other dynamics do not.
Can a German woman be classic 1940s style?
uhh... the German 1940s aren't really a great time to aspire to, just saying.
@@philaeew4866 Lol you are wrong on the internet, of all places!
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Philaee W Mid 30’s is much better ;)
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You do not NEED to have a husband and kids to be a woman. That is not what being a woman is about...
I'm classic but I'm also a feminist!
Wait, but I’m liberal and an intersectional feminist, but I want to get married and have a family. I wash my hair and have a glass of wine maybe once a week (in the evening I might add). I don’t have sex with any guy who falls into my line of sight. Additionally, I would say I’m fairly classic (but I don’t really like that term, in just me). I wear clothes that by your definition fall under some form of modesty and I believe in G-d. I don’t think there are clear demarcations between feminine, conservative women and liberal women who reject femininity. I have to say your generalizations are unfair and undermining to women may embrace part of what you embody (religion, femininity, dress) but don’t agree with you politically.
Wonderful, I wanna be a tradwife after my marriage
i live how all her conservative videos are sponsored and show up as ads for everyone💀
can you still be classic but not have kids?
Interesting 🧐
Thanks for this ☺️ enjoyed learning your perspective!
I am sure, guys appreciate you more than women here. You are a rare personality! Appreciate your courage to express freely here in-spite of intolerant folks shitting all over your comments.
Maybe you just don’t know what a modern feminist is because it’s got nothing to do with not washing your hair.
Do you think a woman can be classic without ever having children ?
I would call myself classic and I believe so! Women can contribute to society in many different ways
100% yes
No
women without children can impact society in a major way, in countless ways. Raising children does take up a great portion of energy, time, & the mind. Without having children, you can still have a classic marriage, can still be a classic figure in the family as a daughter, in-law, aunt, and so forth. You can still make an impact in serving the community, in the work force, fighting for a better world thru volunteer work, activism, fostering, hosting a foreign exchange student, caring for the elderly, the homeless. In my opinion, the answer to your question is YES!
@Jack Apples women without children can impact society in a major way, in countless ways. Raising children does take up a great portion of energy, time, & the mind. Without having children, you can still have a classic marriage, can still be a classic figure in the family as a daughter, in-law, aunt, and so forth. You can still make an impact in serving the community, in the work force, fighting for a better world thru volunteer work, activism, fostering, hosting a foreign exchange student, caring for the elderly, the homeless. In my opinion, the answer to your question is YES!
The perfect women is Classic. 💙
I enjoyed this. I didn't know there was a difference. I definitely lean more traditional but there's no one size fits all for each family.
Your view of what femininity and womanhood is is extremely specific, exclusionary, and narcissistic. You seem to be generalizing and judging every group of woman who isn’t you, even when they hurt no one. The idea that you have to have your own children and dress a certain way to be a true woman and a positive influence on society is absurd.
Classic means class-ic. As in economic and social class. Almost class-ist. "Poised" "refined". Classic is the lifestyle of a particular socio-economic group. It is culturally and historically bound. It's a performance FOR white women.
Hold on, I’m only at 0:53 and I already have an issue. It is 100% okay and wonderful to be a feminine woman and love yourself while being that. Dress how you want. Act how you want. But that goes both ways. Let’s not bring down women who aren’t “classically feminine” because that’s just not something all women enjoy. I try to look at things you say with a very nuanced perspective so I’m not just here to hate, but as a child I was pushed to be exactly what you are, this classic feminine beauty. But when I got older and started learning more about myself I discovered different ways that I could live that made me happier and feel more confident in myself, such as dying my hair fun colors and wearing all black and doing other things (not style wise) that aren’t traditionally considered classically feminine, such as being generally a more dominant person. I do have some aspects still. I love to sing and I’m a bit of a caretaker naturally. But I’m also a bit provocative, I’m a little more left leaning, I like short hair and alternative fashion, I’m loud and I take up space And thats okay and doesn’t make me less of a woman.
Ok so if that doesn't resonate with or thats not something you want to do, then she clearly isn't talking to you. I don't get the comments that have so many issues. UA-cam is a big place. Go find something that suits you.
One day I will probably have a job because we need it to afford a house but right now my daughter is only 2,I want to spend as much time with her as possible and teach her as much as I can before she goes off to school. You only live once and I want to enjoy this stage of life while I still can
The point of feminism is that you can be whoever you want, and you shouldn't put other women down for what they like to wear or do. You can be "classic" and a feminist, but you're not "classic" for hating on feminists, you're not "poised" or "refined", you just have a lot of internalized misogyny and should really work on that first before sponsoring your videos :/
Based? Based on what exactly?!?!!
So many dislikes!! But these women are the ones who need this video the most :p
Wow..I found an ad with the 790 likes and 790 dislikes. I don’t even know if I like or dislike this perfectly balanced honestly 🤷♀️
This woman is an absolute chad!
Why is the “stop seeing this ad” button not working all of the sudden.
So I kept seeing ads of you (apparently a lot of people have) so I’ve decided to see what you’re about and I thought this video would be the best indicator. I’m genuinely intrigued, I consider myself to be a conservative Christian woman, and I was curious but what you mean by “classic”. I thought this video was very informative, and I’ll be sure to watch some others as well to see if you’re someone I might subscribe to. (Also I’m sorry you’re getting so much hate from other people on here, I feel like a lot of them don’t realize just because this is how you think and live your life doesn’t mean you’re trying to push it on them, you’re clearly just making videos you enjoy about things you care about and that’s what UA-cam is for. So sorry you’re getting so much hate)
I think the incessant ads are where people are getting the pushing it on us vibe.
All of the labels make my stomach turn. That said I would like to see more social dressing.
Excellent advice
God forbid people dress however they want. What is this, a free country?
Im a classic woman. My dream is being a great housewife, with a small job on the side. I love your videos!
Liberal women don’t hate on conservatives but conservative women hate one liberals
keep it up abby! let the haters hate
As a man I like and share your views on femininity. I'm not married yet but personally I would prefer a feminine women who would look after the home and be a good mother for my children. Yes she can work but family should be the first priority. Being a man I would happily provide for family and it's not unmanly to help your wife in chores but on the contrary it makes a man more of a man.
The decor behind you is good example of Classic!
It's a good example of soulless crap from HomeGoods
AnimePro when i tell you i snorted
So I am very much both feminine and masculine. Some days I am girlly or some days I am masculine. "Embracing femininity" just seems like a trap. You can be classic and a tomboy. At least that's my view.
But Abby, didn't feminism do a lot to challenge these roles and allow for women to define themselves in these ways such as classic and trad in the first place? Why reject feminism outright?
Because feminism hasn't done any of that in a long time and demonstrably doesn't do that anymore.
@@UnprofessionalProfessor nah. 1st wave and 2nd wave were better and helpful but 3rd wave gone wrong.
@@morbidgirl6808 no
@@morbidgirl6808 All "waves" are bad and harmful.
The practical effect of feminism, even as it may allow women to consider these choices in more depth than in the past, is to denigrate those choices and to make them harder to pursue when compared to other choices which were not historically available. What good is a feminism that lets you define your own identity but then hinders you when you seek to realise that identity? It's cruel.
Some traditions are good. Full of joy and very edifying. Others are not, veering toward horrible & degrading. Classic is something that has stood the test of time, is sure & proven. It is tried & tested. Separating the wheat from the chaff, in a way.
To all the people who are complaining about seeing her ads stop clicking on the ad. It is not that hard . I get ads from people that I disagree with all the time , and I do not click on it. Also if you are getting these adds it is not her fault she can't control the algorithm . Take that up with youtube advertisement if u really hate it , but just rm they are recomendations based upon what you watch and you can also say stop recomending that to me .Honestly, it will take a few times for them to stop recomending it to you .
Actually you have to pay for these ads to be advertised, she has to pay 0.10 to 0.30 cents for every click on the ad, so she is very aware of her videos being advertised. The problem a lot of people have is that they don't share these views and that it sounds like she's shaming women who aren't classic or whatever. It feels like she's forcing her views onto others through these ads and it's very annoying honestly (Edit: also even if you put don't recommend me this ad it only applies to that ONE ad, so you'll just keep getting different ads from her)
I really don’t think those are modern feminist ideals....but I appreciate your ideas on the whole “trad” thing about women working and the gender specific roles
Having been confused by left wing feminist women's behavior all my life as a man this video gives new hope that there are normal women still out there. Men of value don't want crazy in there life. Men focus on their purpose, I know it's shocking ladies but a woman is not a mans soul focus, they are a compliment to a man's life. That's how high value men see women, there's just no other way around it.
"And if you take on this incredibly gender specific role of dominant husband and submissive wife...the husband can't really help his wife grow because of the power imbalance and the wife can't help her husband grow because of the power imbalance. So instead I'm a big proponent of women helping their husbands grow, of men helping their wives grow and having a partnership." -Abby Shapiro saying, out loud, what feminism is is! Abby, you are a feminist whether you want to admit it or not!
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Feminism hasn’t been that for very long time if ever.
The key feminist idea in that excerpt is that the traditional roles of the sexes are substantially about domination and submission, that the power dynamics and some "imbalance" are key to understanding those roles (this is a preoccupation of many leftist ideologies). The traditionalist position would be that traditional roles bring about mutual growth and healthy people, relationships, families and communities, and that "power" doesn't really come in to it (or where it does, it is not imbalanced but merely divergent, and being associated to valid roles, it is power with legitimacy, which is authority; and authority, as opposed to naked power, is just and to be honoured). The social Darwinist or evolutionary psychologist would add that those traditional values have been selected through history and in many societies precisely because they have those helpful, pro-social effects.
I agree that she is promoting a feminist idea. I also agree with you that she is likely unaware that she is doing so. On the other hand, my expectation would be that, if she read my framing of the issue, she would agree with the traditionalist position and probably reject the discourse on power dynamics as missing the point. So she's not a feminist, just a traditionalist with a few pieces of feminist litter getting in the way of admitting it.
Curious, what about women who don't have a family or want to raise a family but want to be classic, ie ladylike, put together? Like they fit into your other classic ideas. Would you consider them classic?
Personally for me that's why I'm a feminist. I love my life with my husband but other women don't want to live the same way and that's fine. But you seem like a nice person, and I agree with your assessment of trad. :)
You’re absolutely right. This is exactly the reason that a lot of people shy away from being “classic” because of people that are “trad.” I look at it as an extremist view, just like being hardcore liberal is an extremist view. The truth is always somewhere in the middle.
I will say, I’ve been watching you for a while now. And I would like to know one thing. If a woman can’t or won’t have children.....do you believe they can still be “classic”?
267 chubby purple haired feminists downvoted this video.
This is so interesting! Thank you for explaining. *Subscribed!*
This was a rather wholesome video that pretty much discussed complimentarianism, which is the idea of men and women working together. I'm not at all trad, and not really very classic (I've always been more arty and eccentric) but I do think this video was very well-done in its definition. Pre-feminist Western society pretty much adopted many of these views, many of these complementarian ideas and the concept of a husband and wife supporting one another. Marriage is supposed to be about equal partnership after all. It's not how the feminists paint it as having been some 'imprisonment' for women. And many husbands would have and do support their wives working and taking on careers. It's not like men have always 'forced' their wives to be 'chained to the kitchen sink'. I imagine 'classic' living was more the norm than 'trad' living.
Classic is your everyday marriage that I'll end up in a divorce. These so called partnerships don't work, just look at the divorce rates. Those equal type relationships never work because fundamentally men and women are different, different roles. Not equal.
Wait so I can’t be classic if I marry a girl instead of a guy?