The SHOCKING Truth About Mrs. Winterton AKA Turner! The Gilded Age Season 2 Episode 2
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- Опубліковано 10 лис 2023
- Turner is back! The Gilded Age Season 2 Episode 2 Turner shocks us all when she shows up on the arms of Mr. Winterton! But who is she reallyy in real life histor? Who did Julian Fellowes base the character Turner's storyline on? As shocking as episode 2 was, so is the truth behind the real life woman who inspired Fellowes to create Mrs. Winterton in all her glory!
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Time for another who's who! Julian Fellowes is known for his amalgamated characters where he takes several people from history and blends them into one...maybe even two of his screen characters. I have rooted out who I think he based Turner as Mrs Winterton on. Let me know what you think! Am I right? Wrong? Off base? Love to hear your comments!
Was anyone Really Surprised that it was Turner, former lady’s maid to Bertha Russell as the new bride on the arm of the man that McAllister touted as a necessary donor/member of the new opera house? Bertha should have said, “Oh, Turner, there you are.”
I was! So what fun when she showed up! Thanks for joining the conversation!
I was surprised. So was my boyfriend. Especially since we've been told that the actress wasn't returning to the show! I must say it was very gratifying to see my tough, burly Marine of a boyfriend's jaw fall to his knees, and hear him *GASP!*... 🤣🤣🤣 as he clutched his pearls!
I was completely surprised. I wasn’t expecting that at all but it’s certainly a great plot twist.
I was. I expected her to become Ann Morris lady's maid.
@@shrinkwrap1770Ann Morris is too broke to afford a ladies maid now
I’m willing to bet his second wife wasn’t really ill, men had a way-and still do, of making a woman out to be mentally unstable when she is not.
Sadly, that is so very true. He wanted her out of the way and he had his good friend, Dr. Anderson to help him. As you say, it happens. Thanks for joining the conversation!
I was thinking the same thing
His wife probably was not as ill as society deemed her but
????.
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another sad story of wealthy people changing/manilipulating laws to suit their needs, incredible
It certainly is a good example of that. Thanks for joining the conversation.
Turner was stupid to taunt Mrs. Russell, when she has so much to loose. She obviously lied to her husband about her past, making her vulnerable.
Turner will not end well. Her character is not likable. Bertha is ruthless, like her husband, she plays to win it all. So once crossed she will destroy an opponent. Turner's motives are small and mean.
I agree. I think this character is good only for another season. She is not only unlikable but she is just not smart like Bertha and we love Bertha because she is so clever and we can't wait to see what she comes up with next in her driver for socal status. Thanks for joining the converSation!
so cliche
I’m wondering what George will do to Turner for hurting Bertha. I mean Mr Morris killer himself and George was really punishing him over the Bazaar.
I'm disappointed with Bertha. She's letting Turner live rent-free in her head.
Turner threatened her; a bluff. Bertha has to get out ahead of it. Her ladies maid tried to seduce her husband, she got sacked.
She should socially bury her as soon as her opera house is settled.
Oh, yes the drama. This s a twist that will last all season! Thanks for joining the conversation!
they need drama😂 ... annoying how they make the character more immature than high school girlfriend😂 like she really can't handle that her maid flirt with her husband to get money or something... yeah haven't seen that before😂 didn't she is the one who dismiss her because of Larry.. she didn't held Larry accountable..
they know we all said the show was boring so now they made needless drama....
this show is gettng cancelled 😂so not rent free anymore
@@PermenBoba-dq3jbwhere did u hear that?
@@PermenBoba-dq3jbIt is renew for another season
The gilded age highlights the plain and horrible fact that women were expected to marry in order to have a roof over their head and food on the table, with no rights regarding property, money or anything else.
It is true that the show writers understood the plight of women in the era but I see how they are portraying the women as strong, vibrant and excelling in the battle for social status. Just as George fought to make and keep his money, the only domain open to hihg society women was in the social arena. Of course, that is about to change with the turn of the century - something which Marian and Peggy portray in their roles. If the show has as long a run as Downton Abbey, we might just get to see if Bertha follows the story of her counterpart, Alva Vanderbilt, and divorces Geogre and takes up the banner for woman suffrage. I hope so!
or they can work.... like thousand of peasant men🙄 the lack of self awareness is astonishing! they can be maid or whatever you acting like men didn't work for scraps like they all born a duke or something
in 2023 and nothing has changed, women would rather marry rich men than had to work for what they want.... pathetic this highlight the disgusting and horrible fact that women were and are just lazy and incompetent, less intelligent
@fabulouswomeninhistory divorced women, up until the 1960's was either viewed as scandalous, or frowned upon. Along with other stereotypes.
Drexel was an ancestor of Christine Baranski’s husband. Thank you sooo much for the free book! I have been wanting to read it!! ☀️💛
You are so welcome!
I always thought Turner was based on Ida Wood. A poor Irishwoman who had married a newspaper publisher, Benjamin Wood.
She was a real person. Mary Lilly Kenan Flagler Bingham. Judge Robert Worth Bingham married her after Flagler died. Shortly after moving to Louisville, she died of mysterious circumstances, and her husband inherited 10MM dollars and became the Ambassador to the Court of St James (England) Her's is one hell of a story. Real life is stranger than fiction.
Yes that could have been tacked onto the end of the video but I wanted to end with the sharp contrast between Eliz Drexler's version and the real history of the affair between Mary Lily and Flagler. Thanks tho forgeting that additional information into the conversation!
@@fabulouswomeninhistory I always assumed that Sissy Bingham was loosely based on Mary Lilly. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. Rakes is kind of a Robert Worth Bingham social climber.
Thanks for the comment and the video.
This is WHY removing Mr Winterton from the Academy because he married Turner, does not make sense! A powerful man can marry whoever he wants without facing social consequences.
I agree. This plot line doesn't make a lot of sense but the aim seems to be to have an on going battle btwn bertha and turner. Now bertha has a war on 2 fronts. Oh, the drama! Thanks for joining the conversation!
he won't but she would she is not of the class.. and people could refuse to receive her a maid
@PermenBoba-dq3jb Mr Winterton is an old member of the Academy and surely a generous donator. You just don't remove him from there just because he shows up with a new girlfriend! That's not how it works.
@@sergeayissi939 idk Mrs Astor created the list to basically filtered out people, she is solely in charge she can kick people off if she wants to
Wow! The Free-read is fabulous for the weather here today. Thank you for great videos & the book.❤
You are so welcome!
Thank you UA-cam algorithm for presenting me with this channel! Excellent research👏
Glad you enjoy it!
How did Mary and Mr. Flagler have lunch together? Wouldn't she eat with the servants?
Good question. I imagine it is all part of the "story". Thanks for joining the conversation!
I am a fan of your videos! Love that you do the research and pull these women out of the hidden vaults of history and bring them into the light. Love the narrations. Please keep doing these. BTW I think you got it right when it comes to how Fellows finds his material.
Glad you like them!
I thought Ms. Drexler's seamstress sounded a bit like a composite of a number of neglected lady's maids during that time. Tsk.
Yes I am sure but cannot fathom why such a complete fabrication and in such detail. Must have wanted to change the narrative on the real Mary Lily from a home breaker to an innocent little ladies maid. Thanks for joining the conversation!
Beautiful artworks.
Thank you so much 😀
Fascinating!
Glad you like it! Hope you subbed!
Mary probably pushed the old man down the steps.
Thanks!
My immediate thought upon hearing her relate that.
I believe the character of Mrs. Blaine is more suitable to this storyline.
Ah, you caught that. When I was doing the part on the historical Mary Lily and her doddering husband, I too thought of Susan Blane's comments in the show ab about her husband and how he was a stay at home guy and that she didn't get out much. So, yes you could say that there is a crossover from the Turner character to the Blane characeter in this regard. Good for you to catch that. Thanks for joining the conversation!
Bertha is about meet her match, talk about awkward in the gilded age.
I know! Can't get enough of the melodrama! Thanks for joining the conversation!
Afraid so!
McAllister tried to tell Bertha. But
people like Bertha don't listen to advice
unless the advice agrees with what
they want to do. Who recommended
Turner to Bertha?
Mr. McAllister is probably on Mrs. Astor's
and Mrs. Winterton's payrolls)
We first need to know if Turner’s husband is aware that she was a lady’s maid or if she fabricated a lie . If fabricated then Bertha has ammunition. Being a former lady’s maid Turner knows all the social graces of a lady. So I’m sure her past will hinder her progression in high society and Bertha will use that to her advantage. I’m pro Bertha .
@@CarolynForneyme too! Also team Bertha!
I think Turner is going to torture Bertha by making her think that she actually succeeded in seducing Mr Russell, and Bertha is going to absolutely destroy her.
Very possible. Bertha is now fighting a war on two fronts! Oh, the drama! Thanks for joining the conversation!
Thanks to Vulture posting a recap of episode 3 two full days before it airs. I can say you're not right but also not wrong.
@jehick I just watched the episode, and I don't think Bertha is done with Turner. Before the season is over, I think Bertha is going to decimate Turner in the most humiliating way possible.
@@christya2488 I sure hope so!
I always love desperate and villainous women on period drama shows
Makes for good drama! Thanks for joining the conversation!
That sounds a bit like the story they gave Jeanne Trippleton’s character in season one.
Yes, it does. Fellowes knows how to tap into history for his characters. I think that Mrs Chamberlain's story fits better with that of Arabella Huntington. See my video here ua-cam.com/video/ASrmC46snkA/v-deo.html and let me know what you think.
True! And Mrs Chamberlain is gone in season 2! So now Mrs Blaine + Turner are both technically replacing her in action!
wha pat did Jeanne Tpton play?
Thank you "Fabulous ...." *Maid to Mrs. is the dream!* That is a different twist on the chorus girl marrying the rich old guy.😁
It makes me wonder why Baroness Decies made-up such a story, but maybe it was Mary Lily Kenan Flagler Bingham who
made up the story. Perhaps, for whatever reason she felt beholden to the Pembroke Joneses (Henry Walters had lived
with the Joneses and married Sarah, after Pembroke died. He and Mary Lily were well acquainted.)
There is a song and a true story about a clerk in a Woolworth Five and Dime store being the object of a rich man's attention
and she married him. But I can't remember the names of the people.
If you think about it, most of these millionaires were self-made men, without social position or education at a Liberal Arts
college, who had rubbed shoulders with the elite while there. It was their sons who attended those colleges and married
the millionaire's daughters.
Some of the first of the so-called Robber Barrons had attended business schools - JD Rockefeller in Cleveland By contrast,
James Fisk had worked in a circus carnival before the Civil War and as a sales clerk in a department store.
Some of them had attended seminaries or college. Jay Gould (whose family were fairly well-established as farmers) had
attended Hobart Academy [now defunct] in Hobart, New York (He paid for his schooling by working as a bookkeeper for a
Blacksmith.) William A. Clark taught school and studied law at Iowa Wesleyan College. Both JDR's and James Fisk's fathers
had been peddlers. (JDR's father was a scandalous person! But Fisk's father apprenticed him and he was able to secure a
job at a reputable department store once peddling no longer was profitable in their area of the country.
Again I would like to thank you for your fabulous videos! 😊
Wow, so much good information here. I too wondered why eliz drexel would make up such as story that far off the mark of the real truth and I thought the same. She must have made up the story for the sake of the real Mary Lily's reputation. Makes you wonder what else in her memoir was sugar coated for members of her social class. Thanks for adding to the conversation and your kind words about my videos.. Keeps me motivated!
Wondering if Mary Lilly helped him down the stairs.
Guess she could have. Thanks for your thoughts.
We k ow already
Yes, now everyone knows!
Umm-kay. Are we sure Mary Lily's husband 'fell' down the stairs? I mean he was already old, but maybe he wasn't dying fast enough for his wife.
There really wasn't any monetary reasons for Mary Lily to off her husband. And I didn't pick up on any scandal in the regards. The scandal came 3 years later when her next husband may have done her in for her money. Ah the drama. Off and on screen! Thanks for joining the conversation!
I like the video but, as a native North Carolinian, I must correct your pronunciation of the county where Mary Lily was born. It’s Doo-Plihn (rhymes with “hen”) not Doo-Pleen.
"fell" down the stairs?
The real story sounds more like Mrs chamberlain
Yes, I agree there is certainly a similiarity. Not unllike Fellowes to bleed one character into another,. Thanks for joining the conversation!
Hmmm🤔! Fell down the steps?! Can you say karma or just good old fashioned MURDER! Either way, it serves him right🤨.
It does make you wonder. Thanks for joining the conversation!
Well? She was a gorgeous lady. Regardless..
Would she be able to marry him?
Would who mary whom?
Hmmm, fell did he? Sounds like someone got a karma shove.
You got it!
maybe but everyone fell during this time, Mrs Astor died from slipping on her own stairs... no one pushed her obviously
I don’t like this “turn” of events.
Oh why? Makes for great drama fun!
@@fabulouswomeninhistory 😂. I know. I like the actress, but the character just sets my teeth on edge!
Poor Ida. Mary lilly? Did you know this mans wife wad ill? Mmmm???
Turner knew what she wanted and she went for it😅😅
Fellowes certainly likes to create strong women characters even if they have a hint of malice. I think this is why the show is such a hit.
Brings to mind Meghan Markle.