Weird Things You Didn't Know About Mrs. Astor's Parties - The Gilded Age Season 1
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- The new TV Series, The Gilded Age, features many characters and some real people from history including THE Mrs Astor. And truth be told, some of customs and habits of people of the Gilded Age were, well, just weird!
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This video gives you insight into who Mrs Astor was and what New York high society was like just before the New Money came to town and changed everything.
The Queen of Old New York society. Mrs. Caroline Astor, commonly known as THEE Mrs. Astor was hosting high society parties that were taking place long before the HBO series, The Gilded Age, introduces us to the newly wealthy industrialist family, the Russells -who were actually the Vanderbilts of the time and who became known as the New Money moving into town.
Stay to the end to see the weird and crazy costumes that people wore when Mrs. Vanderbilt came to town.
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Born in the South in the 1960’s and was told on more than one occasion as a child by my grandmother “ Who do you think you are Miss Astor!?” I had no clue who Ms. Astor was as a child but my grandmother did not think much of her!😂
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@Michelle Charleston
Same era and location for me. Another thing I heard while eavesdropping on my mother and her friends: "she was all dolled up like Mrs. Astor's horse".
NOT a compliment.
My family prefered references to the Rockefeller family.
Many of the "The Gilded Age" outside scenes were filmed in a small city not far from me as they still have an entire street of intact brownstones. It was very interesting the way the scene dressers changed all the shop windows and signs and set up for the filming. Just watching that was a big hit in my area.
What city?
@@TiemposDePaz Troy, NY
That is so cool!
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I just found this UA-camr about the filming in Troy. ua-cam.com/video/sGLWrEa5lB4/v-deo.html
To be fair, some of the "party rules" were actually just normal everyday courtesy back then. My mother's family is very much one of those "Old New England" families, and mom's definitely a child of the 1950's, raised by the generation born & raised in the 1920's. She always taught us that in polite society, "We do not publicly discuss any body part which is normally kept covered." She also explained that it is because we respect people's privacy, we respect that their body and their issues are their personal business, and that it's rude to stick your nose into other peoples' personal issues. hello internet, huh LOL
Thank you for your insightful comment. I agree that many things in history can now be considered odd and different; esp given our current technology and how it has transformed societal norm. Thanks for commenting.
Doesn't explain the nude paintings, though - lol
@@elizabethtatum-soprano Actually those were pretty common among the upper classes as "flex" to show off how "refined" and "classically educated" one was, and to show off that they could afford the paintings.
Ok I love and fear your mom! Lol
Good manners, and class never go out of style, the internet is a useful tool, but at the same time it is vulgar and intrusive.
The Astors were plantation owners. All of the all of them new money and old money were plantation owners. That’s a part of history, they like to cut out before shipping before railroads. It was cotton and tobacco, and that is how they made their fortunes.
And they were proud of their "old money". Ugggh.
@@deborahlauren4811 what’s there to be proud of anybody could become rich if you enslave another person if you’re morally bankrupt, it’s not hard at all
Nearly 30 years ago I was a tour guide at the Breakers which was the "summer cottage" of the Cornelius Vanderbilt family which descendents were Gloria and her son Anderson Cooper. This family as well as the other uber rich Dutch New Yorkers that summered in Newport would pack up pretty much their entire New York mansions including the china and load up railroad cars and then it was carted off to Newport. Their indentured Irish servants had the task of putting a mansion full of stuff away for the short summer seasons. Some of the descendents of these indentured Irish servants to this day still live in the 5th ward section of Newport formerly the area reserved for the poor. These wealthy families so desired to be royalty they married off many of their daughters to European aristocracy such as to counts, dukes, etc. and paid handsome dowries to get royal blood into the veins of their families. The Preservation Society of Newport has taken over most of these mansions including the Breakers. But a little known fact about the Breakers is that when the property was handed over by the family it was with the stipulation that the family retain ped residential occupancy rights to an apartment on the top floor which LOL was formerly the servants quarters. I was most fortunate to catch a glimpse of a now deceased Vanderbilt Countess heading up the stairs to that apartment wearing a dirty hot pink Wal-Mart sweat suit lugging a case of toilet paper. Oh how times have changed!!!
Wow, that is so interesting. I think they are going to be giving us more of a glimpse of the Newport homes and parties in the next episode or two. Thank so much for sharing this info!
So interesting ❤️
Anderson Cooper talks in his book about the Breakers and the family finally losing the apartment rights. Interesting read
Oh, say more!
In what way were Irish immigrants “indentured” as you say?
I really enjoy your channel and your diligent research! The Gilded Age has quickly become my favorite show! Not only because of the decadent costumes and detailed settings with outstanding performances from the entire cast and crew, but also because I have been a New Yorker for the past 3 decades fascinated with her rich, complex history especially during the rapid industrialization of this global city (1865-1915). I’ve also been blessed to work and socialize with those of “New” and “Old” New York. There’s definitely the impact of common sense which Ward McAllister points out to Astor in the upcoming 9th episode, “We can not hope to keep out the New People entirely”.
The timing of this show’s life lessons is perfect since the struggle between the old and new transfers to our current unrest between outdated conservatisms with a newer, more liberated approach of co-existing as Americans. It’s aligned with the golden rule we all know is true, “What’s old will need some renewing to survive as what is now considered new will inevitably become old. To succeed we must respect and adjust to the sign of the times or fall on irrelevance”. It’s humanity101.
I like the way you think! Thanks for joining the conversation!
My God, how vain these people were! "Old money" as opposed to "new money"; they obviously didn't realise that, compared to the British aristocracy, they were all money from yesterday morning. They ended up selling their heiress daughters to British noblemen for a title and a grand country house.
And this way of flaunting their wealth on futilities like expensive costumes for one evening, extravagant jewels, crowded rooms with too much furniture, mansions pulled down after 20 or 30 years... it was called the "Gilded Age" and not the "Golden Age" for a reason.
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Just the froth on top of a great expansion of wealth and ideas. And the distinction between families who had several generations of experience handling wealth and society, and those who just came into it was real. And is. Think of some if today’s lottery winners and overnight stars in sports and music.
Yes, these parties were to meet eligible "monied" bachelors. There was nothing different about it than the debutante ball in many places of the South and Midwest. They liked to show off, show off, show off. And due to the stark contrast between the rich and the poor, their children began to get kidnapped, and their riches began to be targeted.
Keep in mind that many of the British aristocracy’s needed the exorbitant wealth of the Americans to keep their lifestyles and properties unkept. It was symbiotic at those times. Granted all women and their girls were victims of a global patriarchal system which we can still fine the pulse in today’s society….
Having been raised dirt poor as a child of war immigrant to then taking myself on a one way ticket from the south up to NYC to have had the rare experiences of being in iconic old and new homes of Newport, Martha’a Vineyard, Nantucket and especially those of Manhattan and the Hamptons, Vanity IS a part of human existence to countless degrees so it’s all relative in perspectives. I came into these places without judgments with a more wide-eyed fascination so I truly found the commonalities of all societies. What can be tired and old to some then will inevitably be valued and renewed by others in the chain of existence. As someone who’s been an entrepreneur as well in the service industry, I can offer that human vanity ALSO is a necessity to survive the mundane in our lives when we are past our “hay days” BUT ALSO, every step in our vanity also feeds an entire network of industries that others will feed their families and dreams with because those extravagances you mentioned employed others to produce such. Gilded and Golden are not as different as you perceive.
Iis true that the longer you've had your wealth the more likely you are to preserve it. The Astors are still rich but the Vanderbilts who were momentarily richer eventually lost their fortune. They have great careers but they're no longer tycoons. As someone with a B.A. in Economics I can understand why the Civil Rights Movement ultimately impoverished blacks all the more but made the rich richer. For one thing, the heightened demand for suburban homes drove up their values and vice-versa. Simultaneously the value of the dollar sharply decreased, and the value of equal employment opportunities went with it. Blacks' day-to-day income could in no way offset this relative decline in housing values. I'm not really interested in studying the precise economic reasons why the Astors outlasted the Vanderbilts, but there were no doubt equally non-flashy processes at work.
Her final residence is permanently in the dirt just like everybody else, how delightfully posh.
OMG - apparently Mrs. Astor is considered by this blogger to be “weird” for having paintings and sculptures of nude females in her art collection - have you ever heard of “art?” The Vatican museum, home of the Roman Catholic Church, is lined with statues and paintings of nude females (and males). So is the Louvre.
There is absolutely nothing inappropriate about artistic nudes in art. These were cultured people who had been on European tours and had seen the sculptures of the Greeks and Romans. Keeping the ladies covered at the dances heightened the mystique of the young women. Many women would do well today to dress a little more modestly and leave something to the imagination.
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Hear!Hear!
34th Street and 5th Avenue is NOT Herald Square which is to the West.
They need to make a movie or a series about Caroline Astor.
The actress playing Carrie Astor in Gilded age is very beautiful. She's my fave character in that show.
@@Haru-uj7hk I didn't know it was anything on TV about her.
Wrong - The “Electric Light” costume was NOT worn by “Alva’s mother”, but by her sister in law Alice Gwynn Vanderbilt. There was, for years, a vicious rivalry between Alva and her sister in law Alice for the societal position of “THE Mrs. Vanderbilt”. Alice eventually prevailed, but only because Alva began to cease her interest in social status and soon after, divorced her husband William Kissam Vanderbilt.
Thank you for this correction.
In high school, I had a good set of friends but we weren't the popular kids, and unlike at most schools, the popular kids at mine at least weren't mean, they just only hung out with their crowd. So we created a secret club. Literally it was just myself and my other friend. We did nothing with it, other than name it and constantly mention it at school and how our membership was growing. I swear, by mid year, every one wanted in. Our small group of friends got in on it once we revealed to them, it just just smoke and mirrors, but by them saying they had a great time at this or that, or how exclusive and hard it was to get in, it just made people want to join more. It was so insanely stupid how people wanted to belong to this club that was literally just a name, just because they heard it was cool. This kind of all wreaks of that. You want so bad to belong you'll do anything, except maybe in this case, these Gilded age people, really would, to "be the best," or at the top of their social circle.
THe show is like high school isn't it? And while most of us probably hated high scholl (I did), it so fun to see the melodrama on this show! Thanks for joining the conversation!
Strangely how NatGeo never showed again the episode over her extravagant parties and spending in the wake of a financial crisis and depravity of essentials for ordinary Americans in the second half of the 19th century. Her superiority complex was such, that she taught that her spending would get the city's economy going on again. As she believed so many city sectors were dependent of her spending and ball organization economy...
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It’s still there. The met gala.
It was said about the rich of America that they went from barbarity to decadence without passing through civilisation. They knew it when they married into impoverished aristocratic houses of Europe. They really tried to buy civilisation.
Not much has changed amongst the wealthy
What sad lives these people lived. I grew up in that but thankfully made a life in the country. That’s where beauty is 🌈
Truth
I'm not so sure the English and Dutch settlers brought "aristocratic" beliefs to America. A lot were lower and middle class people who were looking for opportunity and freedom from the European aristocracy.
They may have wanted freedom but the children and grandchildren of those who made their money and became wealthy wanted to be like the aristocracy of the old world. Thanks for your thoughts.
The way I feel about people recently discovering the historical figures via a freaking television show.🙄😒 Ridiculous. Centuries ago, commonly known historical facts and known for God knows how long in elementary school. Ridiculous.
It's a new world my friend. Entertainment is a valuable source for knowledge. Thanks for joining the conversation!
Polka the original forbidden dance😂
This is highly valuable for insight if one is tryna grasp the culture of America
Thanks, Glad it helped.
🤔Couldn't do the polka because of the bare naked ankles as it was uncouth and vulgar...mean while having nude paintings and statues scattered about the home for guests to gawk !!! 🤣
Some of the works are at the MET I remember and have had similar works and same artist too...
Thanks for the fascinating video. I was wondering if you might please explain how the corners of calling cards were folded down to indicate if the person calling was welcome or if they were not to be allowed in? Was this a signal to the butler or to the caller? Thanks.
As I understand it the msg was to the caller. See: hobancards.com/blogs/thoughts-and-curiosities/calling-cards-and-visiting-cards-brief-history
@@fabulouswomeninhistory Thank you so much!
@@fabulouswomeninhistory In Britain, certainly at one point in time, the corner of the card was turned down or not, to indicate that the person on the card had called in person, or sent a maid or other member of the family, to do the formalities.
Such a waste of resources to feed one’s ego. Only to die alone and with dementia.
I feel for all the women who put in the effort even though it seems trite to us. It was their only domain for a sense of powerment. Thanks for joining the conversation!
They were all ready up to their shenanigans Goddess worship. It was private because they were
doing despicable things. All the rules were to Deceive. Controllers
This all makes so much sense now. Enjoyed this!
Thanks for watching!
0:24 Excuse me, but the people who sailed on the Mayflower were Pilgrims, a separatist Leiden congregation. They were not aristocrats, and did not bring wealth (in fact the exact opposite) so I have no idea where that idea came from. John Jacob Astor moved to London in 1778 and made flutes. He later moved to Maryland and eventually became a wealthy Merchant. So even the Astors started out as "New Money", but by the late 1800s may have forgotten their humble roots in their rush to identify as "old money".
Wasn’t this the lady that dumped dead butterflies on her party attendees? 🤷♂️
Haven't heard of that but wouldn't be surprised. They really make her appear daunting in the show but in real life, they all were out to best each other when it came to entertainment at their functions, Thanks for adding to the convesation.
None of the things about Mrs Astor’s parties mentioned here were remotely weird or new. The Vanderbilt parties would have made a far more interesting video…
5th ave and 34th street is a block over from Herald Square.
Thanks. I don't know New York first hand but sounds like you do. Glad you watched the video and made time to comment. :)
Trinity Church is in lower Manhattan (at the end of Wall Street), not "Northern Manhattan".
It is a sheme that beautiful house was demolished.
Just watched a video on the Vanderbilt home. That mansion didn't last much longer and was torn down only 50 years after completion. Wow...what is with New York?
Feel like you missed an opportunity by not titling this video “Things You Didn’t Know About Mrs Astor’s Balls.”
Ee! Ee! Ee!
If these families were so wealthy, why didn’t they just buy additional/duplicate items for their Newport ‘cottages’? Why waste all that effort, time and expense dragging their household items to the coast?
Ah, good question. Thanks for joining the conversation!
Answer: to keep expenses down.
A shame they demolished it but there you go its typical
Dr Knickerbocker number 9 Springs to mind lol 😆
The Russell’s of TGA series are more based on the Goulds.
A behind the scenes HBO video has Carrie Coon (who plays Bertha Russell) stating that Bertha Russell is "the historical counterpart" to Alva Vanderbilt ua-cam.com/video/WcNYYZ3eJJ0/v-deo.html. I know another video references the Goulds but my guess is that Morgan Spector, who plays George Russell uses Gould as his reference to play his character. Several articles on the net are pretty sure the Russell family, as a whole, is based on the Vanderbilt family and most definitely, there was a social battle between Alva Vandberbilt and Mrs Astor. I did another video on that if anyone wants more details about the power struggle between the 2 real historical women. THanks for comments. They all help my channel to grow.
Nope...it's the Vanderbilt's
A,lva Vanderbilt was the bomb! What a woman!
As a child I heard the the Astors wouldn't have ben "The Astors" if Caroline hadn't been a Schermerhorn. Pronounced Skimmerhorn, Gilded Age.
While I appreciate accurate pronunciation, I really love saying that name phonetically.
@@Person1865 I undertand, but these names were archaic Dutch by this time .
@@johnschroeter9743 yes I know.
Very well done piece
Thank you kindly!
When you're getting bored, throw a party 😂
Do a video on the old money defendants, and the "new" money as well.
I did do another video ua-cam.com/video/VehK5qfKqVs/v-deo.html See if that covers what your are saying, not sure.
Who in their right mind would tolerate polka anyway?
You have a point. (❁´◡`❁)
Relative ...love it..
Just found your channel! I enjoy these subjects. New subbie here!
Thanks for subbing and commenting! Welcome aboard.
Is there going to be a season 2. Guilded Age is the only reason I prescribed to HBO
34th Street and Fifth Avenue are NOT in the Herald Square area. Herald Square is 34th Street and Sixth Avenue and the block between Fifth and Sixth is VERY long. No one familiar with Manhattan would ever consider or claim 34th and Fifth is "in the Herald Square area."
Herald square is on the corner of 35th and 6th Avenue...
Mrs Astor was a well known lesbian.
Okay.... news to me.
@@fabulouswomeninhistory
Read her autobiography and how she describes her relationship with "her nurse."
Just saying.
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This was fascinating!
Thanks so much!
I remember all the rules and lessons too at young age..
Trinity Church is located in downtown New York.
William Waldorf Astor was the son of John Jacob III.
Imagine getting on her bad list?
That's 5th and 32 yes I was there..
I wonder what would happen if you declined an invitation from Mrs Astor 😮
JONEZ should read JONESES"
Hey Thanks for catching that typo.
I don't know if it was a TV show I saw or real-life Where Mrs Vanderbilt purposely planned it on the same day as the Aster ball
You spelled Astor wrong not Aster
@@Richardsonprincess00 thank you for pointing that out to me I use voice to text LOL I must have been lisping that day.
They didn't bring wealth or aristocratic heritage to the new world. If they had wealth and were aristocrats they would have stayed in Europe, they were poor Europeans from the bottom of European society who came to the new world to make their fortune.
The Russell's were not the Vanderbilts but the family of Jay Gould the railroad tycoon.
As said here and elsewhere, it is best to view the process as a composite. Thanks for your thoughts.
I’m just slightly confused as to why you claim that “The 400” were English old money when many(if not most), including The Mrs. Astor herself were descendants of the original Dutch settlers.
English and Dutch were settling the New York area not to mention all the cross breeding between countries within the nobility all across Europe. Thanks for joining the conversation!
@@fabulouswomeninhistory Yes most definitely true as New York had changed hands, but correct me if I’m wrong - Although anglophiles in style and etiquette, didn’t many of the old money New Yorkers of the time brag about their connection to the original Dutch? Perhaps in order to make their prestige and place in society seem more significant? I’m sorry, I love your video, I just find all of the intricacies fascinating.
I heard "Dutch" said too in the video. Old money English and Dutch.
Mrs. Astor who is the queen of old money who invents the 400 clubs, got the class manner that everybody wanted to be in this good graces with her.
Yes, that seems to be how it worked.
You're the most historic happinneng and incomparable and unforgettable story of life..I will this to my Stacey trishel pipai..I found woman that could always in my mind every seconds,minutes..even in my dreams..this is better than gilded, or else famous family..you're famous to me.
weird is hardly a word one should use when describing history someone who thought that would never be able to travel to any other country but their own
Check out the Weird History channel here at UA-cam. I love it!
@@fabulouswomeninhistory such an intelligent response
Sounds like a completely big snore fest, l do no believe these snobs, sickening❣❣❣
Herald square is 34th st and 6th Avenue (Avenue of the Americas. 34th Street and Fifth Avenue is the Empire State Building and diagonally across the street was B Altman. Please do you fact checking more carefully.
I love New Yorkers. You sure do know your town. Thanks for the correction. 🧐
"Weird". One of the most lazy and overused words in modern American use.
Tha's weird. 😉😁
She was an unfortunate looking woman
More a handsome woman, than pretty
All I'm seeing are still photos lasting several minutes with captioning that repeats itself. Yet my minute counter is advancing.
Did you turn on the sound or unmute? Not sure but hey thanks for joining the conversation!
Note to advertisers. NO ONE will watch a 52 second commercial, let alone 52 MINUTES.
Not sure what you mean by this but, okay.
@@fabulouswomeninhistory The first time I clicked on the video, there was a 52 minute commercial
Was it her & her husband that went down on the Titanic ?
Looked it up , she is Caroline Astor , mother of John Jacobs Astor IV , who died on the Titanic
Which one, first or second wife ?? I gather 1st .
they hated poors
Thanks for your thoughts.
One fun fact that came out of Oxford University is that people attending the parties were into DP spit roasting, but only with the poc help. Very stunning and brave.
No sure what that all means but thanks for your thoughts.
I’m sorry, this makes no sense-elaborate or explain please?!?! Thank you 🙏🏻❤️
Ask for the readers opinion after the video is over, not the beginning.
Not everyone watches to the end so got to get it in early. Thanks for your thoughts.
Men in womens clothing. Wearing choker jewelry pieces to hide Adams apple. Wow
SNOTS
You know that these men had to have married a lot of these women for position and money, but some of them looked like lesbians or worse!
or worse? that's funny
ID SAY THEY WERE DOING THE CAN CAN DANCE ALL NIGHT LINE OB THEIR 🙌🙌🙌🍄🍇💊💉🎻🎹🎷🎺🎸🎤🎧🎸🍺🍺🍺🍺🍸🍸🍸👏👏👏👏👏👏💟💟👍👌✌,ID SAY SHE DIED WITH A SMILE ON HER FACE ,REST IN PEACE MISS ASTER,✌💟🍺
You gotta love that 13 years after Alva Vanderbilt upstaged her with a French Chateau on 5th ave, Mrs. Astor used the same architects to build her own.
What's odd to me about Mrs. Astor is that she had several nude female paintings and drawings displayed very prominently in her home, but at her parties, the women couldn't even show their ankles and lower legs covered up in stockings. What type of weird juxtaposition is this?
I know. All in the name of art, I guess. Thanks for joining the conversation!
It's debauchery. Rebellion. All of the puffed up vanity is sad.
I was thinking the same thing!
Hypocrisy
One is art, the other a vulgar display.
It wasn’t “long after” the fancy dress ball Mrs. Astor accepted the Vanderbilts.
Her daughter Carrie wanted to go to this huge party and practiced her Quadrilles for weeks.
She found out she couldn’t attend because her mother never called on Alva Vanderbilt (which Alva knew and had planned).
Mrs. Astor was then forced to call on Alva so she and her daughter could attend the ball.
Nice extra info.I also cover that in my video about the feud between Mrs Astor asnd Ava Vanderbilt ua-cam.com/video/VehK5qfKqVs/v-deo.html Thanks for commenting. Always good to have comments that add to the discusision.
I think what it meant was that it wasn't long after that she had to accept them into her social circle. It's a gradual thing. It started with the visit, then they went to the ball, then the floodgates opened...
Wow. This is also what happened to HBO's Gilded Age.
@@Haru-uj7hk Yep, the Russells are a stand-in for the Vanderbilts.
Thank you for this correction .
If you wanna hear about the party instead of the geography of the mansion, jump right in to the later half of this vid at 6:03.
Warning :
Despite the title, there's really nothing weird about it.
Thank you!
Hey thanks for the assist. I also put chapters markers in my description but always glad for comments that are helpful. :)
@5:27 Wow, all that energy and money put into a house to be used for only 20 years.
I know. I thought that as well. Thanks for commenting.
Once they had to start paying income tax, they couldn't afford them anymore.
@@cross75man75 Yes the start of paying income taxes hit a lot of wealthy families hard and it ended the opulent lifestyles of many.
So, the Astors moved uptown and built double mansions on 65th and 5th Ave in 1896, which were then torn down in 1926 after they were purchased by a real estate developer. Was this deemed a significant architectural loss, was there any public outcry? Or were the mansions seen as antiquated by this point?
The problem could be summed up by the demise of the largest mansion in NYC: the Cornelius Vanderbilt II home. I can't remember the actual numbers that I read quite a while ago, but this is a ballpark estimation: It was originally a $2,000,000 house on a $400,000 lot. By the time it was torn down in 1926, it was a $500,000 house on a $4,000,000 lot! The land was just becoming too valuable, and there were no preservation groups.
FYI: Temple Emanu-El is what replaced the Astor mansion (John Jacob IV combined the 2 mansions into one after Caroline's death).
@@lj5801 Got it. Makes sense. It also says something interesting about the change in sensibility about wealth: that the hallowed names representing the American Gilded Age had obviously lost their gravitas as time went on. In Europe, by contrast, grand houses, mansion, castles would likely be preserved (though the costs were prohibitive) because, in part, aristocratic heritage was firmly entrenched in European history. But not so much in America. In short, the pretense of a quasi European aristocratic heritage, something the plutocrats of the Gilded Age tried heartily to emulate, just didn't hold eternal sway: the preservation of their dwellings and artifacts was not seen as synonymous with the preservation of the history of the nation itself. In fact, given how quickly we knocked down the mansions, it seemed there was a desire to purge their memory.
@@orpheus9037 Not just a sense about wealth but of historic preservation. The Cornelius Vanderbilt II mansion was a whole 5th Avenue block long (W57th to W58th Sts: the largest house in NYC) and had 156 rooms. It was torn down in 1926 for Bergdorf Goodman's store. The Rhinelander mansion on Madison Ave was used for different things before ending up as the magnificent Ralph Lauren men's store with everything intact both outside and in (just needed to create a 2nd, side, entrance for fire regulations). Vanderbilt's mansion could have certainly handled Bergdorfs in utter opulence, but America had it's out with the old and in with the new attitude for way too long.
@@orpheus9037 At least one of the Vanderbilts’ homes from that era was preserved, along with many others, in Newport, RI. “The Breakers” is more than 40,000 sq. ft., full of alabaster marble, extensive guilding, large Italian tile mosaics, etc. The bathtubs feature hot and cold fresh and salt water taps. I lived in Newport for several years, The Breakers was my fave to take visitors to see, it sits on a cliff overlooking the ocean, with waves crashing below. It’s enormous, and is sensory overload. To know it was their “cottage”, that their “real” house took up an entire city block was unimaginable. It is still quite impressive, along with the other cottages, the Astor one included. So at least we still have those, and they are very protected.
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Much of this is still practiced in certain circles. As a “retired debutante” I can testify that there are even a couple of balls where one cannot show an ankle to this day!
Shame these historical buildings are no longer there . They should have been kept for history like the vanderbilt palace in Asheville N. carolina
Perhaps Mrs. Astor was a lesbian? The love that dare not speak its name. That is an expression used to describe the feeling of society towards Gay love.
Did you see that the show is being progressive and has one gay character so far i.e. Oscar Van Rhijn. His story line seems to follow that sentiment. Thanks for commenting.
@@fabulouswomeninhistory I saw both above comments and thought the same thing. A lesbian who was forced to marry in those days.
Yeah, I’d venture half were gay🌟🌹❤️ they always have the best of everything!!! I mean really…🙏🏻❤️
I was raised by my Grandparents who were born in the 1918+1909 respectively. Taught how a proper table service should look. The proper etiquette, when to wear white and not to, all my clothes were custom made by a local tailor, I had very long legs and a small waist. All school cloths were Dry-cleaned. Shirts With Moderate Starch creases in the arms and pants. Decorum when at parties was a must.
I Dearly miss those much SIMPLER TIMES!
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Your grandparents are the exact age of my own parents! I was taught so much of the old decorum. It’s hard to believe how far things have devolved. I hope I die before it gets much worse. It’s difficult to see people go shopping in their pajamas and one’s hair the color of lime jello.
Alice Vanderbilt was not Alva’s mother. That was her sister in law. Alice’s house was bigger than Alva’s. Biggest house ever built in NYC after they remodeled it
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Alva’s daughter was Consuelo
In 1996 I was at a charitable fashion event at the MET and I was at Brook Astors table she was a darling and so much fun.
The first thing that came to mind when I thought about what an Astor Ball would be today was The MET.
That is another part of the story. So much to cover in this exciting era of American history.
My dad lived in California for awhile in the 60's. It is said that he read about a woman named Brooke in the society pages. The name stuck with him, and I, his oldest child, was named Brooke. I have wondered if it was Brooke Astor he had read about.
Why do the modern Americans dress for shit ? The men wear the same style clothing that they did when they were 12 years old .
@@karenmbbaxterThe old Met. Not the new one with all the celebrities and influencers.
After the Twain/Warner book this series is named after, I think the single best fiction set in this time is Arthur Train’s “Tassels on Her Boots” (1940). Meet all the players and their exploits, Fisk barricading himself in the NewYork Opera House to avoid arrest for a lovingly detailed stock swindle, Gould making Eire RR stock go up and down, Boss Tweed looting the city Treasury, Dana and the Sun crusading for reform, Beecher preaching, and a vast wealth of period detail, including our socialite women and that amazing snob, Ward McAllister. If you like the period, you owe it to yourself to get this book.
Thanks for the suggestion. Another book would be Edith Wharton's Age of Innocence from which so much of these characters were inspired.
I can’t imagine growing up and living like that. The thing that struck me as odd it that the new Astor mansion was torn down and within fifty years! Why?
I have a friend who lives in NY and she said that lots and land are so scarce that things get torn down whenever someone wants to build something new. There are no vacant lots to build on. Thanks for joining the conversation!
@@fabulouswomeninhistory Because it is New York. And property is king not houses
Several reasons.
Property taxes had gotten so high no one could afford them any more. Those houses had become white elephants.
Those huge mansions required large staffs whose wages had gotten so high that no one could afford them any more. Also, the servant class virtually died out after WW1. Times had changed.
Property developers had found that land was worth much more if sold as space for a skyscraper.
Lady Astor's horses were always adorned with every possible adornment possible. That is where the question arose if a person was overdressed one would joke ( what are you one of lady Astors horses?)
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From Kander & Ebb's "How Lucky Can You Get!": "Weekends in the country with the baron of course, And a wardrobe to choke Mrs. Astor's pet horse."
I enjoy watching these videos. Many romanticize the money, the times, and the status. But believe me when I say it was not the utopia as one might imagine. I learned very much from my parents, relatives and grandparents. Believe it or not, even in the 1970’s certain social rituals still existed...that meant inviting “socially acceptable” young adults to “mix” and to keep the wealth, lifestyle and associations at an acceptable level. I have no doubt this “tradition” abounds today.
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You are absolutely correct about it extending into the '60's and '70's ... I was in a garage band from the Southside of Chicago and had a met a girl from the northern suburb of Lake Forest. We had several dates where we met after I was done playing or met on a Sunday morning for brunch (the family has a pied-a-terre on the Gold Coast). Then I went on a date with her where I picked her up at her home and met her sister and mother, and after that date I never heard from her again. I had run into one of her friends a couple of months later, and she told me her family refused to allow her to see me again - because I was trash from the Southside and would never amount to anything. Ironically, I now reside in Lake Forest!
@@billsmith8339 I lived in Barrington Hills......🤣
@@Lisabug2659 HAHA Small world!
Why do the modern Americans dress for shit ? The men wear the same style clothing that they did when they were 12 years old .
“Have you heard about Mimsie Starr?”
“She got pinched in the Astor bar”.
Ya gotta love Cole Porter! 😆
Well! Have you ever?! What a swell party this is!🤣🤣
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I live in Peru, Indiana, where Cole was born. :o)
This feels like a gossip girl prequel.