What Is The Best USED Porsche To Buy In 2023???
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- In this video i talk about which used Porsche you should buy in 2023, they all have issues but which Porsche makes the most sense to own ???
What Is The Best USED Porsche To Buy In 2023???
Mine is a 987 Cayman 2.7l. I don't loose any sleep with the bore scoring issues. Bulletproof engine.
Isn't 2.7 one that doesn't have this issue?
@@PapaStrumfPS3 not impossible, but vary rare. Some have reported it.
I have a 987.1 2.7 5 speed bought it with 92xxx and I’m now at 142xxx I absolutely still love this thing.
The Porsche to get right now is the 996 turbo. And it might sound crazy but get one with roughly 100k miles. They are available for roughly $40k right now. You can drive it for 4 years and put 50k miles on it. Then with 150k miles you will be able to sell it for roughly the same price you paid for it.
More like 50-55k for manual
You're talking pre-COVID prices.. they're not as far behind the 997 T's as they used to be....
In Australia, they're selling for over $150k. Better off with a 981 GTS and some change
Driving my 2000 996-4 since 2015 with 140.000 miles only in European winter. Great car. Apart from regular maintenance, which I’m doing myself, I had a broken radiator. So cost wise my cheapest car so far. I’m 61 so I had a few. 😊
Pbly an early 2000 car with heavy dual row bearing and Porsche of old philosophy about durability. Good for you!
Nice. I didn’t know they had Porsche in europe
I also have a 2000 996 convertible 6 speed, great car.
@@IvanSacofskiMe neither. Hahahaha
Picked up an '08 Cayman two years ago with 60,000 miles. Love the car, is a joy to drive, and only bill it's thrown at me so far is an AC compressor.
For some reason, people rarely service the AC compressor. Flush the oil, top up coolant. Got mine done at a 3rd party workshop.
I have been a Porsche phile for thirty plus years. I was a ten year old lusting over the 944 . Then in college when the 993 came out I fell in love with the 911 again. Nearly bought a 996 years ago but couldn't pull the trigger. Porsche is a RICH man's game. There is no cheap way out. You have to have a really good job and or be wealthy to truly enjoy the brand. Unfortunately I am neither at the moment. Life sucks sometimes.
We brought a 2000 986 with 70k miles from San Diego back to the Midwest about five years ago. Thru dumb luck, it's been a trouble free daily driver getting ready to turn 100k miles this summer.
4 years ago I purchased a 987.1 CS with 14k miles on it for 28k with a 71k build sheet (had many extras). I am at 52k miles. LOVE IT!!!! I do my oil changes and break pad changes....It is WAY less expensive than I ever imagined. I am going to do the surpentine belt soon.. YOU TUBE MECHANIC!!!
I’ll try to be brief and succinct. Please anyone jump in and comment as I’m not Porsche expert. I’ve been doing a lot of research and this is what I’ve learned: For the purpose of this narrative there are generally different generations of Porsche engines: #1. Air cooled engines until Model Year (MY) 1998 #2. Introduction of water-cooled engines MY 1998 to 2011. #3. Refined water-cooled engines MY 2012 to 2018. Lastly, #4 MY 2019 to Present. COATINGS: #1. Nikasil coating used on air-cooled engines. #2. Lokasil/Alusil used on water cooled engines up to MY 2018. #3.SUMEbore used in engines MY 2019 and later. SUMEbore is expensive and is a game changer. It does away with old cross hatch honing that’s been used forever. It uses a plasma tool to create porosity in the cylinder liners which are microns in size. After the plasma tool a second tool is used to re-surface the cylinder walls. What is known to date: Nikasil was a more robust coating than Lokasil. Seemingly air-cooled engines didn’t have bore-scoring with Nikasil. 2. Lokasil was used on 996/997 and bore-scoring is problematic, especially in cooler climates. Lastly, SUMEbore on late model Porsches. Can anyone provide more information on SUMEBore???? Based upon my research the most logical path forward for me is to purchase a 2020 or later Porsche. I cannot rationalize buying an older Porsche for 60K and putting anther 20K into it. Thoughts?????????
997 Turbos do not have this problem.
I just picked up a 2013 981 2.7 PDK with 55k miles really well
Maintained I’m super happy with my purchase
You can’t lump 997 with 996. The 997.2 (09-12) is a perfect car. I’ve owned mine for 10 years and drive it regularly. No ims issues. I also own an 86 3.2.
So if Im looking at a 911S I can play it "safer" by looking at 2009-2012 years? Thks
Completely agree. I have owned both 997.1 & 997.2 with zero issues. I’ve always tried to buy the very best car I can and kept to the 3.6 which I believe leads a quieter life. Keep off 3.8 s with Chrono pack seems to be the market wisdom as these have more than likely been on track days and visits to the Nurburgring.
@@MasterArmedforces yes. The series 2 are pretty much bullet proof. But these are cars which need regular maintenance and when you come to suspension rebuilds etc, these are big bills. And then they just keep driving as tight and as sure as when the came out of the factory.
I'm really happy with my 981 Cayman S PDK. It had 32k on it when I bought it, and it's got about 42k now. The only thing I've had to get fixed was a warning message on the dash about a PADM, which was shorted internally. Luckily that fell under CPO warranty. The first oil change at 38k I had sent off to Blackstone Laboratories for analysis and the results came back really clean compared to engines of the same type, and at a typical interval of about 3800 miles. I drive it at least once a week, and a lot more when it's nice outside. Absolutely love it, I hope it lasts a long time. I plan on putting a lot of miles on it.
At what mileage did the PADM fail? How much did you pay to get it fixed?
Got one too. And had the SAME FAULT, lol.. Nothing else wrong.
Had 32k miles now 58k
@@chrisgerarddelossantos2103it didn't fail. It was a fault.
I used to have a 2008 997 gen 1.5 turbo tip…..Awesome car.
I now have a 2014 981 Cayman GTS manual, another great car 👌🏻
You mentioned shipping the engines out for work being much cheaper. Can you share what shops you use or make a video about the process for doing that.
You didn’t really talk about the major differences between 997.1 and .2 outside of the PDK. It’s a completely different engine. No IMS issues and far less bore scoring. It’s always good idea to do a detailed PPI and scope the bores. With a good inspection and maintenance history plus check ECU Rev numbers you can feel better about getting that affordable 997.2.
Jup, completely missed that in this video
Yes there is a significant difference
.2's have bore scoring issues as well.. just not as much or documented, well because there just aren't as many .2's running around.. but even 991.1's with the 9A1 have bore scoring..
I believe the bore scoring issue is the result of a fuel/environment issue. From what I've researched, it was first thought that cold weather starts affected the bores so cars from canada and northern climate type places like that. Then, it seems winter fuel could be the issue. I think this issue, like the IMS may have been blown out of proportion thanks to the internet. That said, I think if you want to mitigate your risks for buying a problematic 997, get a later build 2006 or newer. That solves the IMS issue for the most part. Then, get a PPI of course, but bore scope more importantly. Then, get a low mileage/low owner with great work history. And buy a 997 from warmer/dry climate states. Lastly, be sure you can perform a cold start or at least get a video of a cold start. No initial soot/smoke out of the left tail pipe. That should get you a well sorted 997.
By the way, all this advice is if you're on a serious budget. If you're not, you can avoid the issues altogether and just buy a 997.2 (2009-2012). Completely different engine.
I agree, I have a 997.2 2012, 911 four GTS. six speed. All the issues he discussed are eliminated in those dot cars. . Money would be the issue. Those cars are all running between 70 to 100 grand in the 50,000 mile or under range.
@@philipprosapio2295 So if Im looking at a 911S I can play it "safer" by looking at 2009-2012 years? Thks
I disagree. Buying any 997.1 is risky but if you want to roll the dice on one you’re best bet is a 2005 or early 2006 3.6L model with a replaceable IMSB. Get a PPI including bore scope. If it passes you can easily replace the IMSB on these early cars with one of the proven aftermarket bearings. The 3.6L engine is less prone to bore scoring. The late 2006 through 2008 cars had the larger IMSB, which are an improvement, but they still fail at an unacceptable rate and they are not replaceable. Unless you disassemble the engine.
Changing the spark plugs and coils of the 997.2 is an absolute nightmare and very costly. Be sure that it has been done before you buy one. Terrible engineering regarding that. Shame on those engineers
Anyone who says "the internet is blowing it out of all proportion" either owns one with engine trouble already and are trying to sell their own car or are just ostracising themselves hoping it doesn’t happen..!!
Be extremely thankful, that this gentleman, is making you aware of the problems that you will definitely come up against. It’s not only 1%-2% that suffer - it’s only that number that doesn’t..!!
They’re an absolute nightmare; and any vehicle that’s had some kind of issue before you own it, without your knowledge - Is just like buying a grenade..!!
Damn….this is an incredibly valuable video. My story? I’m in the “end game” of my 60s. When I turned 50, that year coincided with the year I was promoted in the Navy, to O6. One of my early XOs, after his divorce, bought a beautiful white 944S2 Cabriolet. When I first saw it on the pier in Norfolk, one sunny Virginia day, I fell in love (the car dammit, nit the XO. Focus! Focus!). So jump ahead, I turn 50, and sew in my fourth gold stripe, and my wife tired of me whining about wanting a Porsche. By then, rear ending Porsches were out of my range….and I kept coming back to that 944 cab…and found one. A very low mileage, all records, Baltic Blue with full leather “linen” interior. I still have that beauty….and now living in New England, she is stored six months of the year. She gets compliments EVERYTIME we go out….but I’d be lying if I didn’t admit to at least some 911 envy….maybe even a Boxster S. And right now, my still low mileage, (barely 68k on the clock) all services, everything works 944s2 is bringing silly money. But….approaching 70….maybe I’m better off believing that “the devil you know, is better than the one that you don’t”. Bravo-Zulu, we’ll done sir….this was indeed, a very informative video. I no longer have the patience, tools or workspace, to turn my own wrench. So your information in this video is invaluable….at least to me. And sadly, so true about younger people and manual transmissions. I forced all my three kids to learn on a shift stick. We (my wife and I) felt that doing so, kept their attention on driving, versus their damned iPhones! Thank you, sir!
Buy a 944 Turbo S or a 968……. GREAT car that easily maintained by Porsche standards and it’s sorta a DIY Porsche.
I traded my 997.1 911 turbo cab with 25000 kms in 2022 for a new 2022 718 spyder. Almost an even trade. I recognize the future classic attributes to the 997.1 that I traded but there is no question the Spyder is so much more enjoyable to drive hard and you can drive it hard without risking your license and life. Also I no longer worry every time I drive the car. Too many people I know have had to spend $40,000 on an engine problem when those Mezger engine have problems and need a rebuild. It always made me want to keep it in the garage vs just enjoy driving it. The Spyder and GT4 is the last of their kind especially in manual. The simplicity of these cars, no Turbo’s along with the perfect power to weight ratio will make them collectors. Just need to hold onto them for 15-20 years!
I’m still not convinced you’re a real Porsche mechanic…because Porsche mechanics don’t call them “Porsh”
When do Americans pronounce words correctly 😂
Seriously?
I am with you, I don't think he is real mechanic. Just a UA-camr. He's hand are not mechanical looking one, plus doesn't know the Porsche's well, just reads.
They do unless they are non English speaking.
Anyone who pronounces the “e” is a pretentious twat.
You’re definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed 😂
They sold 175000 996s and they are all 20 to 30 years old. If they are all bombs they would be all in junkyards by now. The prices are going up on these cars because if they are maintained well they ARE reliable and as Nattie himself says, more reliable than their German alternatives. No reputable shop says they all bore score. Weird statement to make. He's right when he says that they are expensive to repair if they aren't well maintained before you get hold of them. But there's a well documented path to success with these cars and the rising market prices reflect this.
The best Porsche you can buy is the best one you can afford to purchase and to maintain. Whether this means that you can do a lot on your own and choose the parts carefully, or you have a trustworthy Porsche mechanic nearby that can do the necessary work (and you have the funds to let him do his thing) is irrelevant.
Mileage is irrelevant as old as the cars are, general condition is key. I've seen more 996/986 with less than 100.000km on the odo that had engine rebuilds or new engines than those with 200.000+ km. People who drive these cars more tend to keep them in good running (not necessarily optical) condition more often.
Considering optics: Remember, that most of the expensive parts are on the inside of the car. A full leather interior costs a lot. More so for full factory carbon, those parts are 3-4 times the price of the non-carbon parts. Some interior colors are also hard to get nowadays, there was a certain green that is quite rare now, also metropole blue parts are in some cases no longer available from the dealer.
Have a rare model like a 996 Targa? Good luck, they didn't make that many, and some parts are bespoke to that model.
All in all purchasing the car is only half the story. The best thing would be if you really have spare money, and can in your mind write off the car the second you purchase it. After all, you don't know if you wrap it around a tree at some point or some idiot t-bones it in the middle of a crossing and has no insurance on his stolen vehicle.
Or if the engine gives up the ghost, which is financially the same thing ^^
If you can do that, and just enjoy every day with the car that you sit in it, then you're in the right mindset for a Porsche.
That said, my 996 surprises me every day with its reliability and with the build quality. I had zero other cars that were as old as it where the bolts just loosened up when trying to dismantle stuff, without a fight.
Been driving my 996c4s for 11 years, 58000 miles, spent the 5g and did the IMS and clutch, ..never had a problem
I'm interested on your thoughts of 996 /997 turbos vs 991/992 Carrera S?
Bore score - how much of an issue is this really? In NZ, cost of the 987.1 is $30-$35k for one that’s done around 50k miles / 80k kms. The 987.2 starts around 50k but they have 100k+ kms …. Is a 987.1 cayman S with 50k miles still a good buy (particularly if it’s domestic new with full history)
Where are you sending your engines to get resleeved?
after this i decided to go for a miata :)
This really pumps me up for getting an old porsche jajaja
Interesting perspective. So happy with my 981 S.
993 my favourite Porsche of them all.
Good honest advice, big thanks!
Or buy one with a blown engine for cheaper and then build a solid engine. I think demand for manuals is coming back though
981
987.2 Cayman S is the BEST one to buy.
Period
Is it $20k better than a base 987.1??
@@robertcarnochan9454 no way. and the tail lights are atrocious
@@robertcarnochan9454I'm not convinced it is, I'm looking for a 2.7 so I can put a nice suspension on it and track it pretty cheaply with a great handling setup
I have a 2005 987 Boxster manual. I don't have had big issues but quite a lot small ones. I'm now looking for a good solution for my catalys. The inside came loose. Should I buy a used one from ebay or try to have it rebuild?
987.1 (non-S version) doesn’t have bore scoring or IMS issues
What’s your take on the 718 Cayman/boxster?
What about gt3?
987 base all damn day. but
water pump, headliner, AOS, maybe shifter cables, steering rack etc... = no bueno. people buying a Porsche for 35k or less and thinking they're going to Get 50k trouble free miles, are dreaming.
Sounds like a bad time to buy a used Porsche right now. I will wait, till the 987/981 comes down in price
Nathan, can you do a video on the 928?
why issues with all 997s??? bore scoring was eradicated in 2009 for the 997.2.
Does the 997.2 have bore score issues as well?
A few videos ago you mentioned oil pump improvements to help prevent bore scoring. What other preventative measures for bore scoring?
A personal opinion...I believe bad injectors...wash down cyl walls, also I think 3.4 pistons are tougher mat than 3.6 pistons
One thing that can help that is easy...warm the car up. Drive off right away,but keep it under 3k rpms until oil is warmed up. Then don't baby it. If you warm it up on idle for 10 min still keep it under 3k rpms for couple minutes to run the oil through. Also,you have to drive it for like 20 minutes because you warmed the car up on idle and all the gasses are stuck inside. The gasses have to be expelled through the exhaust,a 20 minute ride will do that. The reason some of these generations had these problems is because porsche was struggling during the mid to late 90s so they cut costs. Only the turbos and gt3 cars got the coating that protected the engine from boar scoring. The reason no porsches previously had this is issue is cause porsche wasn't cutting that cost. They stopped cutting costs with the 991 models.
So what was the best Porsche to buy?? I guess a 991
You did not talk about the 991's wether they are worth it and what the costs would be with those cars.
Cayman over 997? Any experience with 987.2 cayman?
What about the 997.2 from 09-12 ??
Everything you just say’d !they fixed it with 997.2 !
it seems as though they all have bore scoring?? what is the deal???
Is there anyway to contact you on a consultive basis?
Thanks
What a depression to watch, and conclusion. Dont buy a used Porsche. They are all shit and break.😢
I have never bought an automatic transmission vehicle and I do not plan to buy one ever.
does 997.2 also have problem? I heard mk2 of 997 has not much problem compare to 997.1 or 996
In my opinion, No. I own a996.2 and had a 997.1 prior. Both 3.6 cars with very basic options and manual gearboxes, Zero issues.
or just buy some XRP, and then when it moons you can buy whatever Porsche you want. I'll be getting a 992 GT3 with a manual transmission.
Nate, what about a 914? I have always considered them to be the greatest car ever made...
Never heard of anyone having that opinion! Very interesting take.
In your comments you keep saying 996 or 997 but there is a huge distinction between 997.1 and 997.2 . The 9a1 engine is much better then the M97 engine. You need to be more clear for the people who are new to Porsche. I would have purchased a 997.1 if it had not been for a friend of mine who had two M96 engine grenade. Plus the PCM 3.0 system was a huge improvement over the 2.0 system.
I agree. I have a 997.1 which is in great shape with no issues, but the .2 has the better power plant and really is in a different class altogether even though the cars are basically the same in other aspects. The .2 engine changes everything!
@@aboyandhisdog Didn't the 997.2 have problems with carbon buildup though? Was that already the DFI engine?
Apart from that, most M96-engines I saw give up the ghost were those with low mileage. The engine wants to be used, driven. When you don't move the car, it starts to develop problems. Constant movement, and constant maintenance is the key to longetivity.
@@Kommunisator Yep, the .2 is a DFI engine and they can be prone to carbon on the intake valves. There are ways to minimize this risk and this condition isn't unique to Porsche. I think it can affect all DFI engines.
As to the M96.05 and the M97 engines in the .1 cars only about 4-7% +- are affected by scoring and far fewer, if any, have IMS issues. The IMS in the 997's, apart from a very few in early production, were an internal (non servicable) bearing and was very robust and not an issue. I think the best thing you can do is to drive the cars regularly, keep the revs under 22-2800 or so when cold, and drive enough that the oil gets hot for a period of time. I don't drive for short trips if the car is cold. And of course, change the oil at 5k miles, check the filter for bits, etc.
I don't fret about my car at all, but with all of the conflab online about bore scoring, it is always in the back of my mind and something I never want to deal with. So I do all I can to assure I never have issues.
@@aboyandhisdog absolutely correct. I think a lot of cars get damaged when the owners pull them from winter storage, having only seasonal plates on them, and then want "to show friends what it can do" without first changing the oil and giving the car some time to warm up properly. This is important, not only for a turbo, but also a naturally aspirated high powered car, especially with a Boxer engine.
Mine uses a bit of oil, the big problem was the air-oil-separator. If that gets damaged, stop. Just stop the car. It will burn all of its oil in a few kilometers, and then the engine is toast. (looked like a James Bond smokescreen behind mine)
Also, a lot of "damaged engines" that got new cylinder inserts weren't damaged at all, only the oil/water cooler was corroded through. A good flushing and re-filling would've solved all problems, but letting the customer pay 15.000€ for an engine overhaul is a far better prospect for some businesses than just getting a tenth of that for some replacements and a good system flush.
I've seen blocks with steel cylinder liners, where those liners weren't properly inserted and started to wander, damaging the block beyond repair later.
@@Kommunisator that’s literally what my mec told me last time I took my 996.2 for maintenance “ you have to drive this car so it doesn’t develop issues”
Been driving my 1985 3.2 carrera for 12 years now. Around 145k miles on her and still runs perfect. No engine or transmission rebuild and just basic maintenance that I have done myself.
My 84 car has +- 155k miles and only a transmission rebuild. It don't use any oil and just sound great. How I like the modern cars I keep my old classic.
996 turbo and 997 turbo: bullet proof engines!
Gen 2 997 or 987 with the DFI engine would resolve any worries of bore scoring and IMS problems, plus an upgraded PCM. I'm lucky enough to have a Cayman R, I decided to spend the extra on the newer DFI, rather than worry about paying the extra on an engine re-build. Same engines as the newer 981 & 991 but with analogue steering.
How would I find one in classifieds? 2012 years ?
Pretty surprised he didn't point that out. Big difference between gen 1 and gen 2.
@@isaac666_ 2009-2011
Surprised he did not elaborate on the most important aspect being the introduction of the DFI engine which solves all of the engine problems and the PDK issues are also not frequent as some say. I have owned the 997.2 Carrera S PDK for a while now and it’s absolutely trouble free. Also most importantly the last of the smaller bodied cars which makes them special for sure.
@@LC-rj6ok So if Im looking at a 911S I can play it "safer" by looking at 2009-2012 years? Thks
21 almost 22 years old, became a large Porsche enthusiast through my dad and going to the track with him through the PCA. Hoping to buy a 996/997.1 one day and find one that's manual and is in somewhat good condition.. this video provided me with a lot of information and insight so thank you!
So to sum it up, don't buy a Porsche.
This mans demeanor is very defeated. The tone of this video may have been better if he had shot it in the morning after a coffee or something.
987.1 2.7 Boxster/Cayman: Less than 1% IMS failure rate (2006+ models), no significant bore scoring issues, typical maintenance items - many of which can be done by the owner. Selling prices between $20K-$35K for decent mileage examples. Great value for such a well balanced, great handling car…!
2006 boxster s, so far so good,!!lucky, every day user 1 owner, well maintained, Got it 2019, fix replaced, things expected after 15 years, no major issues. Changed oil once ,alligood no debris in filter, doing change 2nd time 2023. Hopefully all good . Peace.
You've changed oil twice in four years? 😬
Why are you ignoring the Turbo models? I'd buy a manual 996 Turbo over any of the cars you talked about.
You are 100% right. I own a 996 turbo S cabrio, manual, carboceramic breaks. It’s bullet proof
2003 996 going on 7 years 83,000 miles on the Odometer. Very few issues so far. IMSB was done before my purchase. I did do a clutch and RMS but that's not all that bad for 7 years of ownership for a 20 year old 911.
Fun Fact: Metzger engined Porsches (the turbos) didn’t have IMS or bore scoring issues.
Wish I could afford on of those Turbos, true future classics with that engine! Same with the GT3 I believe.
NO question - 996 turbo with some miles and keep it forever - slam dunk!
997 turbo s. Hydraulic steering and still smaller but more refined on the interior and exterior, plus overall looks and performance demolish the 996
The interior breaks the spell ngl
I have Porsche 987.2 pdk with 168 000 km with all service records. Awesome car handling very good. I would recommend. Hydraulic steering awesome you feel everything
Agreed. Had mine for years. Use it every day
@@er98ah ludicrous comparison. Double the price
I opted for a 981S over a 997 to benefit from newer engine development, eliminating the fear of IMS and bore score. 991 same benefits.
Me too!
Could have got the Gen 2 997 0r 981, if you preferred the older looks and analogue feel.
hey man they just found out you can program the gt3 steering into the 981 module to make itfeel alot better EPS. You might want to look into it it's a free mod with piwis3
@@LC-rj6ok Alright I cant find the true information - do 997.2 carrera and carrera S have the bore scoring problem, because some comments claim they don't and some videos claim they do?!
997.2 👌
I owned a 987.1. Loved it. Getting ready to buy another Porsche. First choice is 981 which is last normally aspirated base or S. Second choice if I want to save some money is 987.2. I see these cars as critical to this discussion.
981 has EPS.. I'd go .2 all day
What's interesting is every time someone buys a used Porsche, the first conversation is about " preventive maintenance" and when folks buy a used Mazda MX5 the only conversation is what upgrades they are considering never talking about all the issues mentioned in this vlog concerning used Porsches.
That's not really how most porsche owner conversations go: if your primary reason for buying is price then it might. If you're concerned with price and you get a cheap one or an old one then yes those people have to talk about maintenance. For the people who can actually afford these cars and aren't as concerned they will pay 3x the miata but have a better and more reliable car. This kind of conversation is a symptom of trying to buy a luxury/high end sports car for miata money. That doesn't work 99% of the time.
@@mattyp3119 ...to add regardless of price to my concern. Two of my friends had this happen, one has a new GT3 and at 16k miles blew the engine. Of course it was replaced under warranty but what if? The other person just last week returned his 2022 911 back to Porsche cause during his only 3 months of ownership it was at the dealer 2 months for electrical problems. He only had the car a couple weeks in his garage. He got his $228k back and will consider another brand. Again this is just what effects my consideration of an investment.
@@DarkstarDarthdamn thats crazy, very unusual considering porsche is in the top 5 typically of any brand in terms of reliability.
And a beautifully cooked Filet Mignon is more expensive and takes a bit more skill time and attention than a Big Mac. I'll take the Filet....
One guy has a Porsche and the other guy has a Mazda.
Had my 996 c4s nearly 14 years ,no intention of selling still looks stunning and plenty fast enough
Same car 👍
Here is the question I have though, yes so you buy a 996 and things can go wrong. But, what are the chances, not 100% right? IMS issues are only at most, 8% likely to happen (according to most failure estimates) , so even if you buy one, those are pretty good chances. So yes you might have some issues, but those risks come with any car. Am i wrong?
There are so few 98 and 99 IMS bombs....those years were dropped from the class action law suit w factory...less than 1%
@@steverush8362 Oh really? I didn't know those were dropped. Nice to know!
Got a 2000 996.1 Tiptronic owned since 2010 with 57k and now at 105k with original IMS.That whole topic was utterly blown out of proportion. Just be careful not overextending your maintenance and enjoy it!
@@igglybiggly6951 Agreed. As I mentioned, even WITH that low parentage of failure the odds are highly in your favor. I have also never heard a single person give a story of how their IMS went out... Higher chance you'll get hit in the front end by some chick flying on a drug as she ran the red light and total your 2005 Boxster S. Which is what happened to me. lol
@@igglybiggly6951the 996.1 has the stronger dual row IMS. The 996.2 02-04 has the weaker single row.
Mezger cars are the best. They have none of the issues mentioned above.
996 Turbo with Metzger, prices aren't too crazy ... were really low about 5 years ago.
Only coolant problems
IMS bearing issues
@@mrebear9758 no
thanks for making up my mind! 1999- 2001 996 it is!
2004 996 handles so much better and is more real than any cayman or boxster. Also no problems spend 3k for ims bearing and your done. All the electronics control the handling on newer ones so boring. If you want boring get a newer porsche and let the electronics take over. It is almost like getting a tesla
Bought an unloved and salvage titled 996 Carrera several years ago. No issues. Car has been amazing. Engine is strong, and has over 120,000 miles on it now. Just got a gold star Blackstone oil analysis back on it. I drive it everywhere, including on track. You aren't necessarily going to have problems if you buy an old 996. These are generally great cars, built with great care, and ready to deliver lots of miles and fun. Numbers don't lie, and 70% of all 911s ever built are still on the road, and the 996 was one of the most popular, and sold in very high numbers. If you listen to this guy you would think buying a 996 was a guaranteed future of catastrophic engine failure and financial ruin. Just not the case.
I had mine repainted last year, and even with the cost of a full glass out respray, my total cost in this 911 is less than a bad condition 997. Buy what you want and what you can afford, but if all you can afford is a 996, go ahead and get one. You might regret it sure, but you might regret anything you decide to do, and more likely than not you will love it. If the engine blows just V8 swap it and have more fun.
Also I like the GT1 headlights, they look good. Also 997s look like VW Beetles, ya I said it.
once you see it (beetle) you can't unsee it, that's why I 've put a deposit down on a 996.2 carrera 2 manual
Hell yeah brother!
When i bought my '99 996 6-spd in 2003 it had about 30k miles and I needed great air-conditioning (Florida) so the 993 was already out of the running. As soon as I bought it the clutch needed replacing almost immediately due to the previous owner and it had the RMS leak so I had both fixed at the same time, seems like it was around $3k. Then the coolant tank sprung a leak and I replaced that for around $200. Then I daily drove it for almost 20 yrs and after 113,000 miles on it with the only major unexpected event (non-maintenance) being the air-oil separator for like $1400? water pump 1x, the alternator 1x, engine mounts 1x, key switch 1x, oh.. and the window regulator which I changed myself 2x during ownership (annoying!)
The car ran great, never smoked, didnt use oil between changes, etc etc etc. It was a very reliable car that I didnt baby at all, daily driver in all weather, some deferred maintenance (brake fluid!) and I knew even back in like 2005 that the internet hand-wringing was probably overblown but yeah there were probably people who had issues with them. However my experience was rock solid, just a fantastically fun and cheap car (bought for 39k and insurance totaled for flood at 26k 20 yrs later). Usually buying the first year (1999) of a model is not a good idea but the dual row bearing in the first year may have been the key to keeping me a Porsche fan and repeat buyer.
Bonus is that at this point you're only a few months from getting the cool 'antique' tag in some states!
I'd buy another if I hadnt gone for a 991.1 tts.
Why no commentary in the 991’s? Any major problems on them, I haven’t heard any (IMS, bore scoring) so that’s why I bought a 991.1 manual, 2015.
I like to know your thoughts on the 991.1 gen. Thanks!
This guy answers questions with questions, wtf am I watching....
Buy a mid miles 996. Run it enjoy it. Once hits high miles rebuild the engine and drive it again. Total costs will still be less than a new one if you could buy one for msrp.
Every gas engine will need to be rebuilt in its life. Some sooner than others and the more high performance the more it costs
The very reason why you dismiss the 986 is the reason to get it. IMS can be changed and teir 2.5 litre engines are nearly immune to bore scoring. But if the engine dies, it is not a financial catastrophe. Sell the car to the junkyard and you did not go broke. Whereas an engine for a 997, 991 or 992...
Why are Porsches so cheap in America? Half the price. Until 2018 no Porsches had import duty in the UK yet they’re still double the price
I have a 06 Cayman S. I was shooting the shit with a guy at work and his brother is a retired prosche mechanic 28 years. Does side work out of his pole barn, he saved me big time over going to the dealer. Will be dropping my car off in three weeks ( He is booked ) dealer wanted over 2k for some work, him 710.00 bucks
996 Turbo -X50 hands down
Excellent synopsis. I have a southern 2008 manual 911S with 67000 miles. I love the car! So far, there are no issues. But you are absolutely correct... in the back of my mind I am thinking of what, when and how to potential problems.
A lot of these videos put an unnecessary scare into people! Drive the crap out of it, and enjoy it! But be sure to perform routine maintenance requirements! Porsches are high quality machines! With a little love, the tend to last a long time!
The 996 & 997 turbos and GT cars are solid.
It might start with pronouncing PORSCHE correctly!
I personally have a 2009 997.2 manual transmission 3.6 and I think that’s the sweet spot so I’m not sure what he’s talking about. If you can find the second generation 997 and a manual you’ve got it made as far as I’m concerned.
I agree with you I have one it's soild as u can get.....
I agree. I think he is a bit dreaming, not sure what he is talking about.
So if Im looking at a 911S I can play it "safer" by looking at 2009-2012 years? Thks
Agree entirely, I have same 3.6 manual car and it’s a delight.
@@MasterArmedforces In my opinion, Yes!
981 S or GTS is my vote. 991.2 second choice but those are $$$ to purchase
2015 981 GTS is the sweet spot...
Too 911-focused here. After hearing all the All the pros and cons here, I'm going with the 981 S with a 6-speed manual - sublime! $50-60k, no major issues. and I do not agree that "everyone wants a PDK". Porsche found that out when they thought they'd go 10-0% automatic (PDK). Customers said NO. Now, look at the used market for the super-car brands (Porsche is close to that!). They are getting tens and even hundreds of thousands more $$ for manuals.
Us Boomers like having full control of a car - - analog baby!
I have a 2000 986 S manual. I have done the IMs clutch rear main seal.. complete suspension upgrade. Brand new tires. Cooling system overflow tank. I have 12 k USD in the car. It is a wonderful car and I hate the interior's on the 987 they look like a Toyota to me. Could not be happier. Car also has a tune on it and is very fast...3 years ..no issues..
To answer your hypothetical question
I would have to buy a Toyota or Lexus
944. Just got one. I get more attention in that car then any other Porsche I've been in.
Also have a 981 6 speed 😊😊
Dude true my Guards Red 944 got a lot of attention, $5k car after fixing a couple things lol
If I listen to this I would never buy a Porsche again, but had 2- 993's without any issues ( still miss that car ) and now my 2nd 997.2 PDK, last one now on 80.000 miles without any major issues. 2nd owner and FSH from the 1st owner. And agree with the comments below can't compare a 997.1 with a 997.2.
I got 4th 996 and two 986 and never had ims, issues and everything you mentioned.
Replaced seals on spark plug tubes, engine mounts, AOS , that’s it , also I do regular oil change
After your “professional “ advice it’s better to buy Kia
I could not disagree more. An early Boxster S would be my first choice in that list. 2000, 2001. Swap in a 3-4 top, and you have a great car. In my view, that car is better than the comparable 911.
Excluding a major engine build, the maintenance is comparable to any 20 year old car. Further, by the car for you. Not the next guy. I see no point owning a Porsche with an automatic transmission. It takes a couple hours to learn to drive stick safely and a couple weeks to drive decently. It takes a lifetime to master. That is the point.
All of these cars are better than comparable brands.
I've got the PDK in my 997.2 and love it. It feels like a manual, and obviously shifts a hell of a lot faster. Personally, I wouldn't ever want to go back to a manual.
Own 2020 Macan GTS as my ski car, only comes with PDK. Also own 2021 Boxster S, manual, this is my beach car, perfect combo in my garage. 🤓
Should have mentioned that the phase 2 engines for 987 have no bore scoring and are way better.
981 is the answer
Which gen is the first where you don’t have bore scoring problems?
What about swapping a small chevy engine when the motor goes bad in their 911. I am thinking also buy a good cheap 996 for 22K drive it every day and if breaks, why not to replace the engine with a Subaru engine? I think that could be the future of the old 911's for the everyday working man.