A doctor that used to work where i go, he was a very old man. He did his medical training years ago. However, after having his first transgender patient, he went back to medical school to be educated on the things he didn't know (RIP Dr. Alan, you were actually amazing)
The crazy thing was when he was being reprimanded, it was after he ripped his mask off in the surgery room, while a patient was cut open, screamed over their open abdomen, then stormed out and refused to do surgery. So they had a patient cut open, waiting for a new surgeon to be found, and having just had germs fly everywhere.
As an autistic person: when someone says they consulted with “autism experts” it means they consulted with neurotypicals who do not listen to neurodivergent ideas, opinions or feelings so that’s fresh and funky
....i bet they talked to some people from autism speaks 🤡😭 i feel like autistic people have been saying for a while that they're perfectly capable of acting, instead of producers making NT people cosplay as autistic, but don't quote me there tbh. also, of course cooper touched on this cause he's beautiful, but the savant stereotype is freaking old as heck. let autistic people be average and have niche interests and love them for it rather than what they can provide for society 2023 challenge lol
As a trans woman who has lived with her autistic cousin for over two years, I can confirm that he was one of my most adamant supporters and loved correcting people for misgendering me (he’s only 9) Not saying he is every autistic person, but neither is the good doctor.
My brother is autistic and trans! I don’t get why he (Shawn) couldn’t understand trans people because he was autistic?? Plus before my brother found out he was trans, he defended his trans and gay friends because he understood what they went through in the world yk? I don’t get why that was included in the show
@@frogg_tv4774 There is an entire case study and meta study rabbit hole about autism being correlated with genderqueerness. Neurodivergents actually are 100 times more often trans than neurotypicals.
my brother has autism, but hes low functioning, and i think if i tried to show the concept of trans he wouldnt understand and might even sound transphobic but like you said, that doesnt mean every autistic person is like that
i think it's fair to mention that a lot of the 'autism experts' consulted for this show were affiliated with autism speaks. and if you know anything about autism speaks, it really starts to make sense why shaun was portrayed this way in the show.
@@nont18411 They're a hate group that markets themselves as helping parents of autistic children. But they actually treat autism as a sickness, and promote the equivalent of conversion therapy for trans kids (forcing them to mask to adapt to society instead of making acomodations). Many parents that associate with Autism speaks think they are victims and heroes for having autistic children, like the disability of their kid is theirs. They're borderline abusive. Most autistic people (like myself) absolutely hate them. Now I know they're associated with the show it definitely makes me think less of it...
@@nont18411autism speaks is an organization built on the belief that autism is something to be 'fixed.' they practice harmful treatments and therapy to help 'cure' autism. im also pretty sure that they were built on beliefs relating back to eugenics but that part im not so sure on.
I'm autistic and i actually cried at that scene everyone is laughing at. It felt exactly like how I've felt before in situations, when you are so passionate about something and dont really know how to express it and it just comes bubbling up. I then saw all the jokes about it and i get but...Idk I really liked the show (until one particular character suddenly just DIED)
I'm autistic, and I never had an issue with the concept of transness. I just had issues with understanding the language to describe it, but once the reasoning behind the terminology was explained to me, I was good. We're not stupid. We just have rigid mental maps. That's the nuance that should be portrayed in stories like this.
i'm trans and autistic and honestly it was harder to figure out for me than it usually is for trans people as i had no understanding of social constructs like gender
@mushroom axolotl I still have no concept of how gender works in an allistic brain. All I know is that I am reproductively female, and being a woman makes me happy and content, so I'm just going to vibe with it. I have gathered that I have a more neutral view than other cis women about things like my fertility, and I think that's the autism. I didn't mourn when I found out I have a high chance of infertility. I just got annoyed at how much motherhood could cost me. Apparently that's not the standard cis reaction? Idk.
@Luthien Tinuviel Once I learned about the neurological and hormonal components of transness, it all made perfect sense to me. I think we're less likely to be transphobic because we're usually not interested in defending arbitrary social rules. Show us the data on male/female brain scans, and it's a very simple, "Oh, the categories aren't discrete. Got it. Moving on."
yeah this show is HORRIBLE at portraying autism. The actor isn’t autistic, so hes just trying to act out the mannerisms in a stereotypical way making it extremely uncomfortable. Also the fact that they made him transphobic is kinda worse, autistic people are actually more likely to understand trans people. They just took the “really aggressive and emotional but also very logical” thing to a weird degree
I agree. He's doiung Rainman, basically. I don't understand why they don't consult with actual autistic people or even hire an autistic actor. That doesn't always solve the problem either. I do think they should have autistic writers to write an actually autistic character in a humane way. No more cartooinish stereotypes that reinforce misinformation. I don't even like Liove on The Spectrum because they refuse to have late diagnosed women over 30 on the show who have dated and could give useful insight. They just want to infantalize the syndrome and only show people who live with their parents and don't have experience. It's just for ratings. And they falsely call it a documentary so they don't have to pay the autistic people. It's BS and they are making money off of misrepresenting us.
@@sandcloud5010 actually yeah i worded it weirdly, its more like they made him only understand the sex binary and connect that to gender inextricably, when autistic people are more likely to be and understand trans and queer experiences, so them making the character act like that to a trans person is again pushing the stereotype of autistic people having a narrow understanding of society
Yeah . I have OCD, ADHD and diagnosed mild autism so mine isn’t as severe but still is there and I don’t like how they portray things like mental illness cause one wrong move and it makes people think all people with this condition act like this which isn’t true .
I'm autistic and my biggest frustration is hearing when someone is working with "autism professionals" instead of autistic people themselves. We're so consistently misrepresented because there's still so much misunderstanding. It's such a big struggle to be heard and understood already.
Also, the “autism professionals” they were working with were (I’m pretty sure) Autism Speaks. Idk if you’re familiar with them, but I wouldn’t exactly call them “autism proffesionals”. They’re extremely ableist and problematic, straight up anti-autism.
@@robinjupiter4731it’s so frustrating having to explain that to people. My parents learned stuff from Autism Speaks and when I told them it was bad they had a hard time taking in that information. My mom felt I was attacking _her_ because of it (I also think she may be undiagnosed and so does my dad). I also feel I’ve learned more about my autism from other autistics on the internet than other people. When I 1st learned of autism speaks I was horrified to say the least.
As an Autistic person, I feel it’s important to add - some parts of the internet haven’t been able to separate Sean from actually Autistic people. I’ve been seeing “I am a surgeon” comments on serious videos about autism and it’s just a sad excuse of ableism 😭 Edit: some people were upset I used “someone with autism” instead of “autistic person”, I wasn’t aware of the importance of differentiating the two at the time of the comment but I am now so I changed it since I am an autistic person🫡
it feels like the I am a surgeon meme is a sad excuse of ableism to begin with, like I don't believe anyone making fun of Shaun is actually critizing this show's portrayal of autism so much as they just want to make fun of an autistic character
@@ultravioletcatastrophe I feel that too, plus that “I am a surgeon” scene is relatable to a lot of people with autism who have more meltdowns. But if I say that I’m just the sensitive autistic or I don’t know what I’m talking about because im so childish. It’s sad.
House and The Good Doctor are nowhere near the same calibur or category of show. You cant compare then just because they are doctor shows. That's just not smart.
@@aviumstrepitus5158 Yeah… bro’s really fallen off though, unfortunately. He’s also producing a “Good Lawyer” show. Saaaame idea as the Good Doctor. ☠️
As the mother of an autistic child, I think you raised many valid points about the media depictions of Autism, and how they can be super harmful. You are both balanced AND funny while addressing a very serious topic.
As an autistic person I’m going to be 100% honest here and say that as much as I believe we should be getting VARIED forms of representation, because we all obviously present differently, I think it’s kind of blind to say that representation such as Dr. Murphy shouldn’t exist. My brother is also on the spectrum and presents more like Dr. Murphy, including his struggling to separate gender identity from biological sex, because his brain takes the “facts” he’s taught and runs with them until he can be presented with research and “facts” that prove otherwise. I am transgender. I am on the other side of this argument that doesn’t see the meaning or value in gender stereotypes and classifications, so this caused issues between us when I came out. He eventually learnt, he grew, but just because someone is autistic doesn’t mean they’re not going to fall victim to toxic mindsets if that’s what they’ve been taught either by their environment or maybe by the side of the internet they end up on at a young age. My brother also blows the fuck up just like Dr. Murphy does in the ‘I am a surgeon’ scene and it’s not until he’s given time to process later that he’s able to compile his thoughts and emotions and feel embarrassment and guilt over that, it’s a belated response, something a lot of autistic people including myself deal with. I feel empathy belatedly and it’s only after years of learning how to mask that and PRETEND that I care about someone’s feeling at the time, until such a point that my belated empathy response hits me and I genuinely do feel for them, that I am able to present like I care as a neurotypical person would. I feel such a tremendous amount of guilt and self hatred everyday for the fact that this is how my brain works, that I have to faux-feel until I really feel, because it’s not a lack of love or care, but just how I an hardwired. What I’m trying to say I guess, is I think that it’s actually quite beneficial for those present in their autism similar to Dr. Murphy to see that they are not evil or cruel or over emotional (when they can’t control their blow ups and have to process and LEARN to apologize later despite how difficult it can feel), or under emotional, but that it’s something a lot of us genuinely struggle with and that we have the ability to learn and adapt and become okay with ourselves. I think putting those of us that have to suffer with the more the toxic traits that autism can manifest into a box of “bad” or “inaccurate” representation only reinforces the suffering that those in our community have to go through, whilst those of us that don’t suffer as badly get to bask in all the “good” representation of the slight-easier-but-just-as-valid-and-sometimes-difficult aspects. Both can exist at the same time as long as they are handled in a way that best benefits those involved. Dr. Murphy learnt later to emphasize with his patient, to respect her pronouns and he went out of his way to try and learn from HER what made her the person she is, not only just looking at gender dysphoria from a medical perspective, but going out of his way to form a connection that for some of us makes it easier for us to process and information. I’m not sure. I’m probably going to get a million angry people tell me I’m wrong, but I just don’t think hiding the ugly side of things that some of us struggle with is actually doing anything but adding to the shame. We can feel comfortable in ourselves and learn to develop and grow without first seeing the root of our struggles pulled out and understood on some level. Autism isn’t an excuse for bad behaviour, but it is a REASON and understanding that reason is the first step to making things better for everyone.
Thank you for saying all of this. It put into words what I've been trying to think about lately. I hope you don't mind me asking, but I would like to ask you this because of the perspective you're coming in with. Do you think autistic people that are on the same spectrum as doctor Murphy should be in high stress jobs? Should autistic people be accommodated when the work environment doesn't allow neurotypicals to be patient with us? You can probably tell I'm coming at this as an autistic person. I've been seeing more and more representation that presents a little more of the "ugly" parts of autism. Not enough to be unpalatable for an audience of course. But Ive wondering about it for a while. Shaun Murphy represents traits that are less palatable. Idk how necessarily realistic they are but I wonder if it's ok to be a surgeon with his specific difficulties. Is it ok to ask you what you think?
@@kristenyarbrough4287 some people on the spectrum can handle high amounts of stress while others cant. So I think it depends on how much the person struggles and what symptoms They present. How severe the symptoms are. Etc. Everyone on the spectrum is different and copes and learns differently. Just like “normal” people do.
I was looking for this. Plus he has savant syndrome which is something this guy left out. It's not that just his autism makes him super smart, it's savant syndrome and sometimes people's with autism HAVE SAVANT SYNDROME. They're acting like this isn't a real form of autism. No not everyone with autism is this severe, but my cousin is like this as well. Autism but very intelligent. She can play music by notes without needing sheet music. She has such amazing talents but is very much so "but this is the facts" as well. I think it's very discriminatory and the ASD community is almost trying to push this horrible idea that autistic people aren't like this when there are and to act like we shouldn't represent that is strange to me.
I’m autistic and my meltdowns absolutely look like this when I’m overstimulated and I repeat the same thing because I can only focus on that one thing and nothing else around me. It’s been really frustrating seeing people making fun of this scene.
Similar thing happens with my mom and I when we get extremely upset, except neither of us are on the spectrum. Well, one doctor diagnosed me as autistic because he told the same “joke” over and over again to try to get me to laugh to stroke his ego, but I refused to laugh because it was stupid and I was tired, so he told my parents that I had autism because I didn’t understand humour/wasn’t trying to seek his approval by pretending to laugh. Anyways… yeah, it’s not uncommon for people who are extremely upset to repeat the same thing over and over again. I don’t get why anyone would find this scene funny. My dad actually mocks me sometimes when I get this upset, but if I tell him he’s being an asshole, for some reason I’m the one who gets in trouble for “disrespecting” him and not acting like an adult.
same. it honestly hurts a little. meltdowns are already embarrassing enough but the fact that this scene is being belittled by people who say they are defending us really stings.
I don’t think people are making fun of his meltdown by itself, but about the whole situation. I mean, the show’s been criticized before for making really blank and weird plot lines to excuse the main character being really insensitive and doing actually harmful things. I mean he’s a doctor on the show but regardless of benign autistic he is super out of touch in his own field. Btw, I am autistic and I also believe that bad memes are also being made about it and it kinda bothers me as well, but it’s not something out of nowhere
Shows like these are the perfect example of why we need more autistic writers involved when it comes to representing us. Hell, Heartbreak High had a lovable, relatable autistic character who was played BY AN AUTISTIC ACTOR! Not to mention, she was allowed to regurlarly give input to ensure authentic rep of our community! Edit: There's nothing inherently wrong with Shaun in concept, as a lot of us can personally relate to a few of his struggles. The issue lies in not only how the cast interacts with him at times, but the fact that characters like Shaun are pretty much the ONLY type of autistic representation we see in the media. Not all of us are white cishet men, and we all experience autism differently (it's called a spectrum for a reason). Heartbreak High is one of the only few exceptions that come to mind, as the character in question also happens to be a queer woman. As much as I love Extraordinary Attorney Woo, her behaviors and how she interacts with the other characters at times unfortunately plays into some of my least favorite tropes when it comes to autistic rep. The point is, we really need to strive for more authentic representation: Get input from autistic people, hire autistic writers and actors, and realize that if you've met ONE autistic person, you've met one autistic person. That's it.
As an autistic, non-binary person, the fact that the “good doctor” doesn’t get issues with gender is so wild since a lot of autistic people tend to be under the trans umbrella. Like the writers for this are so out of touch with the times.
@@Meeoollii yep, a lot of trans people are autistic and a lot of autistic people identify with the trans experience. Once again, I did not say all. I can send you some resources about this if you’d like.
As an autistic person I can say I understand why Shaun is having a meltdown in this situation, it’s really heartbreaking to see something you love get taken away from you
@@salemstrange2091and the fact that he was fired for honestly telling a patient her anti-depressants were most likely the cause of her baby's condition? Like bruh what the fuck do you expect him to tell her?? It was genetic even though there was most likely no genetic possibility? He's a damn doctor it's his job 😭
the doc not understanding trans ppl is kinda strange bc the overlap of autistic ppl and gender nonconforming ppl is pretty significant. having autism myself, i definitely feel a diconnect from gender. and ffs I wish that shows trying to push a supportive outlook would establish a distinction between gender and sex. edit: also the stereotype of autistic ppl not understanding social boundaries is annoying 😭 a lot of us spend a lot of energy trying to learn social cues and expectations that don't come naturally/don't make sense to us.
"Understanding" is the key word here imo. I don't always understand the rules and boundaries, but I'm smart enough to know that they exist and that it is kind to follow them. If this character could graduate from medical school, he would be able to do that.
tbf theres also an overlap particularly with autistic males, particularly white and or latino, grasping on to hateful extremist ideologies against women, lgbt community, and people of certain races or immigration statuses, so to make it seem like being autistic and even an autistic savant in medicine immediately means they understand and support these communities would also be ignoring a legitimate issue in the community. our black and white style of thinking can make us susceptible to extremist views for sure. i agree though that i wish shows and movies would show more of us aspies without making it seem like we all are that extreme on the lack of social boundaries spectrum. obviously there is always some degree of it due to that being the nature of the diagnosis in part but it doesnt have to be portrayed like the caricature it so often is.
I mean if the creator is the same as the one who made House then I'm not surprised. An ace writer tried to get their experience out in an episode, but the showrunners overran the desicion to portray it as a "medical issue".
I was gonna comment this, but I'll just comment on yours because I don't actually have autism myself. I am using my husband's account, though, and he is autistic. It also upsets me that a medical show doesn't understand that there are people born with xy chromosomes and a vagina and with xx and a penis, plus they're are more than just xx and xy "biologically"
@@taylorfrink1182 Oh, the Libertarians almost got me. I'll admit it. We need people who are willing to take the time and explain things to us thoroughly, or the black and white thinking can send us down a pipeline. Social media has been wonderful about making that kind of education accessible.
When he says "I am a surgeon" with tears in his eyes I feel like I wanna hug him because he's very relatable :'l sometimes I do feel like that too, and I wanna scream to people in their face the way I feel. What is my truth. And I want them to understand and validate me because I'm very insecure. And if I was in his place I would want someone, anyone to come to me and confirm my reality. Like in that scene from Stanley parable where he keeps walking around in circles and the narrator says Stanley must be in a dream but then he opens his eyes and he's still there and then he goes crazy and dies and sometimes that's exactly how I feel on the inside
I saw a South Korean Law Drama called "Extradentary Attorney Woo". Was about a young woman with autism who becomes a lawyer. Felt like it depicted autism in a pretty fair way, making you understand the difficulties she faces and how she deals with them. Would highly recommend a watch.
Was looking for a comment mentioning the show! While it also falls into the stereotype of savant syndrome, I found Woo-young's character far more nuanced and better represented - particularly since there arent many autistic women represented in media. Plus infantilization of autistic adults is addressed rather than the way The Good Doctor treats Shaun and excuses what are genuinely bad behaviours that have nothing to do with his autism
@@dreadwolfrising 100% I also really liked how they handled how society treats someone with autism. The conflicts where the other lawyer feels Woo-young gets special treatment and the whole nepotism debate. Was really heart breaking but an unfortunate reality many have to go through.
I love that show and I loved how for once they made the main character an autistic woman. I feel like the majority of autistic character are men so it’s nice to see
And they addressed the demonization of autism in media (mainly the internet) in that show as well! I honestly rlly like how they addressed issues people with autism face, it feels real and as an autistic person, there are parts of the show I remember relating to a lot! (specifically with Woo-young’s sensory issues when it came to hearing)
When Quinn goes in for surgery and is told she can't be on puberty blockers anymore, Shawn does try to comfort her and he does become a little more accepting :)
Tbh him not caring about his father is kind of justified. From what I remember, his dad was physically abusive to him and neglected his brother. Shawn even says "You killed my Bunny Rabbit" " You killed my brother".
oh yeah his dad threw Shaun's bunny at the wall. shits fucked I would like for Dr Han to Dr Han all over the dad. Dad is crying at Shaun or Dr Han over something and Dr Han does his iconic Dr Han stare.
Autism is very hit or miss in media, or it isn't spoken about at all. I never forgot how the main chatacter in "Bones" was supposed to be autistic but they didn’t add it in (aka, they never called her autistic despite her personality remaining the same) because they thought the audience wouldn’t like an autistic chatacter. I personally felt really weird about this when I watched the show years later as an autistic girl with a fixation in forensic anthropology and death science. I really related with the main chatacter and saw myself in her when I watched the first few episodes, and having that representation would have been fantastic
I love that show and I had no idea that her character was autistic, it makes complete sense now you mention it, but she does grow throughout the show and I think they do a really good job of showing that. I, however, have not seen the end, I don't have access to watch it currently
So I’ve been subjected to every episode of Bones ever multiple times, and they do reference her possibly being autistic in the show… only to brush it off bc sHe’S jUsT wEiRd and slowly take away her autistic traits as the show went on and her and Booth’s relationship became the focus instead of the cases.
i have to wonder if they did this because they (wrongly) didn't want to have the romance with the david borenaz character if she was autistic, especially back when it started
I’m so glad you talked about how allistic people think being autistic is the same as being an asshole because people get refused a diagnosis for being too “polite” and it makes me so angry. The fact evaluators will make the dumbest excuses like that makes me want to throttle them
For most of my life my Autism was questioned because I just didnt act out violently as much as they thought I would. I have done most of the typical stuff an autistic child may do, but as an adult I am a quiet person and very careful with my articulation. I believe masking it has done a lot of damage, because it ends up confusing people when I have a meltdown and they literally just think I am overreacting or being a diva, or attention whore. Like no, I just cant process or express myself like atpyical people. That doesnt mean I am going to be the worst case scenario. I was even told once when I was in a psych ward, that I couldnt be admitted to a certain facility because I was not 'bad enough'.
The concept of an autistic character being very confused about transness feels very weird to me since most of my circle of friends are both autistic and trans. Especially when the argument for the character brought up is “ah, he just doesn’t understand that it’s fucked up to say that stuff because he doesn’t get the social cues” or whatever, since gender is a social construct and thus I’ve seen from my friends’ experiences and also my own that the idea of gender being so black and white/one way or the other is bizarre and makes no sense to the autistic mind in general. If that makes sense
the fact that so many autistic people are also lgbtq but this show acts like *we’re* the ones who don’t understand the concepts of gender and sexuality 💀
@@ashbhabee_536 honestly i feel like ppl like this r always preaching about autism but are the first ones to put all autistic people in one box and are like "ermm actually 🤓 *we* dont do / do ___" like WHOS WE 😭anyways
The original Korean version of this show makes much more sense honestly. It's a bit dated and I don't know much about Korean views on autism but the plot of the story is about Si-on (the main character) being able to prove himself to the hospital staff in the pediatrics ward that he is capable of becoming a resident in pediatric surgery. The show focuses solely on pediatrics, which makes more sense than how the American version just skips around to different specialties. Si-on also takes criticism and advice well in the show and he has significant character development. (There's even a cute romance) Most of the first season of the American show has scenes directly lifted from the Korean show.
Bro... bro... please don't even joke about that. The korean version portrays an autistic person like a stuttering anime protagonist... Korean shows are consistently horrible at portrays realistic mental disorders/illness. The american version of the good doctor is way more accurate, I don't understand why people don't believe some people on the spectrum act like Shaun. Not everyone's autism is the same, but the korean version is just... cringe tbh.
Thanks for speaking on autism representation in media. I have level 1 Autism, and it can be a struggle getting people to believe you are actually neurodivergent. Even my own therapist took several months to believe me, despite the fact that I was DIAGNOSED. The autism spectrum is much more diverse and complicated than a simple line. I appreciate you pointing out the misrepresentation and stereotypes. Big fan of your videos. :)
If I could recommend an insanely amazing show that imo depicts ASD insanely well is the k-drama “Extraordinary Attorney Woo”, which is about Woo Young Woo, a lawyer who has ASD. My friends who are on the spectrum have all said how much they adore the portrayal on that show, and it also has an insanely good plot. She is such a great actress who took her role very seriously, and spent months spending time with all types of wonderful people who have ASD, and said that experience really opened her mind and was grateful to be taught that autistic people are just as lovely and human as ANYONE else. South Korea is still quite stigmatized when it comes to autism, and this show just showed that autistic people are just as valuable and personable as ANYONE else. Her character, Woo, has a photographic like memory, but works her ASS off to become a successful lawyer, be sociable, and be recognized for being a good lawyer, not a lawyer who has autism. Highly recommend ☺️
Omg I looovveed watching this show. I’ve watched a few episodes of the good doctor and I can tell it’s an allistic person acting autistic. It’s just so cookie-cutter. I was surprised when I found out the actress who plays Woo isn’t on the spectrum because her portrayal is so well done
@@sorenlover9957 and in Korea it’s being talked about and brought awareness ! She even studied ASD (the actress) with people on the spectrum to make sure to portray them accurately and respectfully I love her
To add: The original Good Doctor is also a way better portrayal, but I don't remember them actually ever stating he had ASD. Also It's Okay to Not Be Okay, but there you're dealing with more of a pronounced developmental delay and ptsd.
@@VenusAD definitely mention he’s on the spectrum. Heavily HEAVILY iron fist implied at the very least. Also it’s okay to not be okay is another great suggestion 🫶🏻
Oh my God!! This show hits me!! I remember a couple of years ago I started watching it and couldn't finish the first season. As a neurodivergent, it seemed so surreal. Absurd. At that time I thought I only had OCD and ADHD... Until recently and due to another medical condition I discovered that I was also autistic... In fact, it is likely that I have savant syndrome, which is what the protagonist is supposed to have... Ironically, the first time my specialist suggested it to me he told me: "you know, like the good doctor" lol... fuck noo... I didn't act like that... I swear I thought he was playing with me. That's exactly why I asked for a second opinion. The new doctor told me the same.. It's very possible... and well, I'm in a marathon of exams to see what's happening to me. Honestly, now it seems more reasonable to me that I have savant syndrome than his performance. Jesus is the worst thing I have seen in a long time!
My daughter has a specialist doctor who is autistic. She's excellent at her job, and struggles with the social aspects for sure. But she doesn't have meltdowns at the hospital. We had an incident where my daughter wouldn't stop shouting and it overstimulated the doctor, and the doctor just walked out and sent a nurse in until my daughter settled down. No meltdown, just removing herself from the situation to ensure she could do her job well. Dr. Murphy in this show has meltdowns on multiple occasions. Autistic people can be amazing doctors AND learn to adapt in a hospital setting. He really doesn't.
Did anyone ever tell you that autism is a spectrum? Your doctor's autism isn't the same level as everyone else's. My sister is severely austistic and she has meltdowns in her job all the time. She STILL is a good employee. So please don't say stupid shit like that
@@soho6435 No one's saying your sister or people in general having meltdowns at work are bad employees. They just said that autistic people can be skilled doctors while also having coping strategies/ways to prevent getting super overwhelmed. They didn't say "all autistic people are able to control it" or "it's unprofessional to have meltdowns at work". They literally didn't say that (or hint at it). The point is that, even though it can be an accurate representation of some autistic people the problem is that it's generally people's only interpretation/understanding of "autistic". The problem is the lack of diversity, the lack of understanding of how different different autistic people can be
I can’t even I feel so attacked at 17:39 but in all seriousness I feel so so seen, it’s true I do know a little bit too much about the civil war. Literally dead though 💀
I’m trans and that episode of The Good Doctor caused a lot of damage in my personal life. I have a few relatives who watch the show and used this as “evidence” to tell me that I’m just “ill in the mind” and that I should “get help” and convinced many other people in my family who didn’t necessarily have an issue with me before. I think show runners just need to be more careful with what they put out into the world, because people are influenced by the media they consume, and misguided messages like this can do a lot of real harm for people like me.
Not to mention the whole “xy is a boy, xx is a girl” is false even from a biological view. There are many chromosome variations and they do not necessarily correspond to a particular sex. The way Dr Murphy is speaking about it is very 3rd grade and you would think he would have taken advanced biology as a “genius” doctor. Imo this is a huge oversight in writing and really hurtful. They could’ve actually done the research but they didn’t.
This, not trans but relatable in other ways such as mental health / disorders (Autism, ADHD, BPD in my family, etc) Very fucking maddening that they don't take the time to give these things thorough consideration. Edit: sorry I didn't mean to take away from messaging regarding trans persons // at a time like this, that deserves the MOST consideration
As an autistic person I can tell you the whole asking questions about trans people is very accurate, it's not a diss or anything just general curiosity. The idea of trans people is intriguing for us as it seems strange and alien from what biology says.
@@thwartgorgon6063 I understand that, but there is a difference between asking questions because you genuinely don't understand something and insisting that someone's experience isn't valid and waiting for them to give you a good reason as to why you might be wrong. Also, as much as I am happy to answer questions with people I know, it is not our responsibility to explain our existence to someone we don't know because they haven't educated themselves. Like, I don't know you, why do you think it's just ok to ask me personal questions like that and expectancy answer? No diss to the autistic community the, I am on the spectrum myself, so I do get the desire to understand someone better and the questions just coming out a bit strange, it can just get really uncomfortable.
Nah he has the autistic child look: must be a man (women can’t have autism of course), round face, brown hair, white, super genius. I also am also like this. When I got diagnosed I immediately started looking like this.
@@animesloot3177 biggest fail ever. you misspelled "commas", meant semi-colon, and your point makes no sense because the original comment uses commas correctly?
That stereotypical look was part of why I doubted I could be autistic, as an AFAB POC. It's so frustrating. But I'm happy to see more explicit representation of autistic AFABs in media like with Heartbreak High and Young Royals
I started re-watching House recently and the medical malpractice is insane, and most of the time half the shit wrong with the patient is a direct consequence of the doctors actions. The episode when hes in a dream world and slices the guy open in surgery still haunts my waking hours Would definitely like to see a reaction to one of those episodes
I love your vibe so much. The fashion sense is giving me life!!!!! also I had so much second hand embarrassment from the good doctor that I could never watch it.
I’m sorry but Cooper being so happy that he had an 80s outfit…As a person who wants 80s outfits to come back…I’M JUST SO HAPPY (and the footloose made me squeal~ish)
as an autistic person that has trans cousin and sister, i actually understood what is a transgender person much easier than the neurotypicals around me, they, for some reason, think this is an incredibly hard and complex thing to comprehend, but for me it was always very easy. Just like any other LGBTQ+ (i'm also part of it). When my sister came out to my mom, she said that they would take time, and that it is hard to just change how they view her, and then i replied "well for me it is being very easy" and she replied "you are different, you have an easier time with that stuff". The thing i don't understand is actually the opposite. Homophobic and transphobic people don't make sense to me at all, and i could go on for AGES about why, but really this comment isn't about this.
Yeah, thats also what I know from myself and most autistic people around me? Like, homophobia and shit like that makes way less sense than transsexuality, which is a fairly easy thing to get and adjust to
Well, there are autistic people that can understand, and some that can't. Just like Neurotypicals. It's just weird we're supposed to ALL be represented by this one kind of autistic character. I like the show and the character, I just don't see it as the ultimate representation, and it shouldn't be. At the end of the day, it's just a show.
@@Astrapricity2 thank you so much for your kind words. I just don’t like It when people put us in boxes and forget that each of us are different. You must be such a good friend!
As an autistic person: we typically have a interest in gaining new knowledge and are willing to change our views when presented with evidence. I heard about the term trans and got hyperfixated on learning everything I could about this new thing I didn't know existed
we cannot represent the entire spectrum in one person. Its too wide. And actually, this scene represent really well the intensity of how people with autism can feel and react, out of frustration cause they feel like they cannot express it to the best to be understood.
i feel like the problem with this show is not (entirely) the portrayal of autism, because as others have said, shaun's symptoms are present in a lot of autistic people. my family friend's son presents similarly, with the hyperfixation and meltdowns. i think the issue is that it is incredibly strange for shaun to present like that WITHOUT MASKING in a profession like his, at his age. i recently realized that i'm autistic and i'm still trying to figure out which of my behaviours are masking and which are genuine as a 21 year old university student. unless shaun was sheltered his entire life, until he entered his residency at the hospital, he would mask way more than he does.
@@darlingkorexo good question! masking is a term autistic people use to refer to imitating other people, specifically their emotional responses. like looking happy for someone when they tell you good news. for a lot of autistic people, its a conscious or learned choice to act "normal" when around people, especially ones you aren't close to.
@@darlingkorexo It's also probably a reason why so many autistic people (about 50%) have alexithymia, meaning that we don't recognise and can't properly name our emotions. For me for instance, in an age where others learn to talk about and process their emotions, I learned that I was weird and how to hide this as well as I could. It took many years to learn how to put that mask off and be open with myself & with other people. Masking can come with a lot of shame, too.
Hearing cooper talk about autism when none of my other regular commentary channels have makes me so happy. I am an autistic teenager, but it took be ages to get a diagnosis because “you girl, girls not autistic”. Sincerely, thank you for spreading awareness Also I am a surgeon
A good science show with autism representation is Bones! It’s scientifically accurate and Brennan’s autism isn’t explicitly stated in the series but the character was written with being autistic in mind. Her autism isn’t credited as the reason she’s smart, either.
I'm gonna be honest, every time I see the guy shove the badge in Dr. Hans face shouting that it reminds me of the scene when moana shoved the heart in Maui's face shouting, "the ocean chose me!!!" I don't know why but that makes me think of that.
A lot of issues people have with this comes from the fact that the actor works with/supports Autism Speaks and the fact that the “I am a surgeon” scene is basically a neurotypical actor pretending to have an autistic meltdown, which is a really painful experience for a person to have. It’s also reminiscent of people filming a child’s autistic meltdown in public, which is really painful to watch and not something that should be used for entertainment. The transphobia was clearly a “autistic person doesn’t understand social conventions and struggles to adapt to new information/worldview” which just rankles me. Autistic people tend to be some of the most accepting, understanding, intellectually adaptable that people I know. Like it’s not hard for us to take in new information. (And a lot of trans people I know are also autistic which is just a silly little fun fact.)
there's a show called extra ordinary attorney woo where the main character is a super genius attorney with autism. but there's this one character that appears for a episode who also has autism but that character is not a super genius. the show shows all sides of the spectrum. It's honestly one of my favorite shows [its a kdrama btw] it a show I recommend to people who don't watch kdramas. The main character is kind and cute. She's an amazing person and many episodes are amazing
Honestly it’s so dumb to say that he “doesn’t understand social boundaries” yet he asks the girl if she wears dresses and likes the color pink which are all gender roles made by society. Also a lot of autistic people, myself included, are some kind of non-binary term or trans because of that exact reason. Because of our lack of understanding of social norms including gender, a lot of us identify outside of said social norms.
I'm autistic. I was studying in a medicine-adjacent field (I've since moved more towards the research pathway but that's another topic). The thing that frustrates me most about this show is that there is absolutely no way that Shaun could have made it though med school. The lecturers will intentionally pressure you and push you to the brink, and when you start cracking they will use it against you. At the very least, Shaun needs to be wayyyy better at masking. He seem incapable of learning and he makes the same type of mistakes over and over again.
@@devilskiss8421 Yeah they're not all the same, but floof_hair was talking about masking and coping. Things that all autistic people have to deal with in their life. Shaun is very intelligent and can figure out all those medical problems when he's calm. But with how the character has been shown to behave in emotional situations and high-stress environments, he's clearly not suited to being a surgeon. Not yet at least. It's very dangerous to become disassociated or have a meltdown during a surgery, for example. Not saying he can't be a surgeon at all, but he needs a LOT more help before he can do that, and he cannot be one with how the character has been shown to behave so far.
I just now discovered this guy and I feel like I just walked into my grandmas house and am talking with the cool older cousin. And as a person with autism, I can indeed confirm that I am a surgeon.
As an autistic person, something ain't right here- Why did they work with "autism professionals" and not actual autistic people?? That's kinda dumb if you ask me. Why would you get information from someone who studies it, and not someone who actually has it?
As an autistic person I laughed at the "i am a surgeon" clip at first. Me and my brother (also autistic) found it funny due to how bad and inaccurate it was. But then Neurotypical people started using it under videos of people with autism who were simply having fun. I hate telling people I'm autistic since the boys at my school found out and now they won't shut up about that clip. Honestly, I thought us as a society knew better, guess I was wrong :/
Like this people that says autistic people are "cringe" but they are just being themselves, expressing and having a good time uwu :(( is so sad that just being you is the silly little joke of someone who thinks they are superior to you just for it
@@user-lf9qt5vr6y this!!! Literally the other day I got made fun of by 6 people because I was autistic, no other reason. They told me to 'be normal' and it shows there's no hope for people with disabilities when this shit is happening.
Autism is a spectrum. You and your brother do not represent all autistic people. Some people with autism are more susceptible to mental breakdowns due to overstimulation.
@@Shield954 I know that?? I never stated I'm the ceo of autistic people? I'm just saying from MY point of view, it's not funny and a bad representation. I'm someone who has awful sensory breakdowns and has to wear headphones outside, if I don't, I have a breakdown. I'm almost always overstimulated. So, from someone who struggles alot all I'm saying is this isn't the way to show it and the joke isn't entertaining in the slightest.
@hopeywopey Ah yes, and a non serial killer should not act as a serial killer in a series because that is flawed. When it is a work of fiction that is based on a present reality, actors are hired to play diverse roles. And just because they don't fit its criteria doesn't mean they can't act. It is their job.
@@celestesencountersno, you shouldn’t hire a member of the majority to play a minority, end of story. non-disabled people should not be playing disabled characters
@naomi5328 They way I see it. Acting is a role that you do to get a salary and make a living. A role is a role. I don't care that its minority or majority. I just watch a series because I enjoy the performance. Which stops at that, *a performance* not deemed to be 100% real
@@celestesencounters Someone playing a serial killer, which is an action, is far different than playing someone with a specific and marginalized identity.
My mom won’t even get me tested for autism because she watched the good doctor and now an time I say anything she’ll disprove it by pointing out a random thing the good doctor has or said to disprove it…
Don't talk with her about it. What I had to do was not talk about my mental illness with family until I could find a way to make them relate. It's a weird thing, that took me years to realize : you cannot make someone understand, and you can only do you. In hospital, I realised we are taught all these for our functioning and improvement, but 'neurotypical' people never have to learn. BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THESE SKILLS EITHER. Just do you. If you find a moment where you can explain something, try.
As an autistic person I can confirm that Doctor Han's flat expression makes him a better representation of autism than Shaun.
As a person with autism i can confirm that i am in fact, a surgeon
I second this
No way, me too, I never realised being a surgeon was a diagnostic criteria, would’ve made it so much easier to discover
According to the DSM-5, all autistics are surgeons
I do not know if I'm autistic or not, but I am not a surgeon so I can only assume I'm not autistic
as yet another neurodivergent person, i agree that we are all surgeons.
A doctor that used to work where i go, he was a very old man. He did his medical training years ago. However, after having his first transgender patient, he went back to medical school to be educated on the things he didn't know (RIP Dr. Alan, you were actually amazing)
:O!!! That's amazing
@@barbecuedsimsbaby he was a great man
Dr. Alan was such a king for that
I will always stan for that
what a beautiful soul
11:52 "even if you're autistic, you can still be a good person" thanks Cooper 😂
I'm autistic. I'll be a good example of a bad doctor
@@men_r_paul YOU'RE THE AUTISTIC DOCTOR WE NEEDED, NOT THE ONE WE DESERVED 😭
The crazy thing was when he was being reprimanded, it was after he ripped his mask off in the surgery room, while a patient was cut open, screamed over their open abdomen, then stormed out and refused to do surgery. So they had a patient cut open, waiting for a new surgeon to be found, and having just had germs fly everywhere.
As an autistic person: when someone says they consulted with “autism experts” it means they consulted with neurotypicals who do not listen to neurodivergent ideas, opinions or feelings so that’s fresh and funky
Last time someone consulted a "autism expert" Sia worked with Autism Speaks and made Music 🧍🏾
i was literally about to comment this exact same thing, so true
Yes
....i bet they talked to some people from autism speaks 🤡😭 i feel like autistic people have been saying for a while that they're perfectly capable of acting, instead of producers making NT people cosplay as autistic, but don't quote me there tbh.
also, of course cooper touched on this cause he's beautiful, but the savant stereotype is freaking old as heck. let autistic people be average and have niche interests and love them for it rather than what they can provide for society 2023 challenge lol
@@mightymeatymech also many autistic people have many different interests and talents
As a trans woman who has lived with her autistic cousin for over two years, I can confirm that he was one of my most adamant supporters and loved correcting people for misgendering me (he’s only 9) Not saying he is every autistic person, but neither is the good doctor.
ugh how sweet 🥹🥹
My brother is autistic and trans! I don’t get why he (Shawn) couldn’t understand trans people because he was autistic?? Plus before my brother found out he was trans, he defended his trans and gay friends because he understood what they went through in the world yk? I don’t get why that was included in the show
@@frogg_tv4774 There is an entire case study and meta study rabbit hole about autism being correlated with genderqueerness.
Neurodivergents actually are 100 times more often trans than neurotypicals.
Yeah my friends that are trans are mostly autistic so I’m like damn ig you broke a stereotype by playing into another stereotype
my brother has autism, but hes low functioning, and i think if i tried to show the concept of trans he wouldnt understand and might even sound transphobic but like you said, that doesnt mean every autistic person is like that
"Squishmallows in the background aren't always a good sign." This is the truest quote I've seen this week.
But I have a squishmallow.... 😐 Did I miss a joke somewhere?
when my niece was diagnosed with autism, I wasn’t surprised when she was diagnosed as a surgeon, too.
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IM GONNA SUE YOU YOURE KILLING ME I CANT STOP LAUGHING
Comorbility mAh dude 😂
It's a 😎✨package deal✨💅
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i think it's fair to mention that a lot of the 'autism experts' consulted for this show were affiliated with autism speaks. and if you know anything about autism speaks, it really starts to make sense why shaun was portrayed this way in the show.
Please elaborate about Autism Speaks
Oh Fuck...
@@nont18411 They're a hate group that markets themselves as helping parents of autistic children. But they actually treat autism as a sickness, and promote the equivalent of conversion therapy for trans kids (forcing them to mask to adapt to society instead of making acomodations). Many parents that associate with Autism speaks think they are victims and heroes for having autistic children, like the disability of their kid is theirs. They're borderline abusive.
Most autistic people (like myself) absolutely hate them. Now I know they're associated with the show it definitely makes me think less of it...
@@nont18411autism speaks is an organization built on the belief that autism is something to be 'fixed.' they practice harmful treatments and therapy to help 'cure' autism. im also pretty sure that they were built on beliefs relating back to eugenics but that part im not so sure on.
not autism speaks…
House was a masterpiece, despite the many infractions and crimes the doctors committed that are just overlooked lol
I'm autistic and i actually cried at that scene everyone is laughing at. It felt exactly like how I've felt before in situations, when you are so passionate about something and dont really know how to express it and it just comes bubbling up. I then saw all the jokes about it and i get but...Idk I really liked the show (until one particular character suddenly just DIED)
I'm autistic, and I never had an issue with the concept of transness. I just had issues with understanding the language to describe it, but once the reasoning behind the terminology was explained to me, I was good. We're not stupid. We just have rigid mental maps. That's the nuance that should be portrayed in stories like this.
Yeah and while I like following rules, when the rules don't make sense to me I just ignore them. Like transphobia. It dont make sense
i'm trans and autistic and honestly it was harder to figure out for me than it usually is for trans people as i had no understanding of social constructs like gender
@mushroom axolotl I still have no concept of how gender works in an allistic brain. All I know is that I am reproductively female, and being a woman makes me happy and content, so I'm just going to vibe with it. I have gathered that I have a more neutral view than other cis women about things like my fertility, and I think that's the autism. I didn't mourn when I found out I have a high chance of infertility. I just got annoyed at how much motherhood could cost me. Apparently that's not the standard cis reaction? Idk.
@Luthien Tinuviel Once I learned about the neurological and hormonal components of transness, it all made perfect sense to me. I think we're less likely to be transphobic because we're usually not interested in defending arbitrary social rules. Show us the data on male/female brain scans, and it's a very simple, "Oh, the categories aren't discrete. Got it. Moving on."
fr like im autistic and i literally AM trans 💀
yeah this show is HORRIBLE at portraying autism. The actor isn’t autistic, so hes just trying to act out the mannerisms in a stereotypical way making it extremely uncomfortable. Also the fact that they made him transphobic is kinda worse, autistic people are actually more likely to understand trans people. They just took the “really aggressive and emotional but also very logical” thing to a weird degree
I agree. He's doiung Rainman, basically. I don't understand why they don't consult with actual autistic people or even hire an autistic actor. That doesn't always solve the problem either. I do think they should have autistic writers to write an actually autistic character in a humane way. No more cartooinish stereotypes that reinforce misinformation. I don't even like Liove on The Spectrum because they refuse to have late diagnosed women over 30 on the show who have dated and could give useful insight. They just want to infantalize the syndrome and only show people who live with their parents and don't have experience. It's just for ratings. And they falsely call it a documentary so they don't have to pay the autistic people. It's BS and they are making money off of misrepresenting us.
@@sandcloud5010 actually yeah i worded it weirdly, its more like they made him only understand the sex binary and connect that to gender inextricably, when autistic people are more likely to be and understand trans and queer experiences, so them making the character act like that to a trans person is again pushing the stereotype of autistic people having a narrow understanding of society
i also heard the actor supports autismspeaks...
Yeah . I have OCD, ADHD and diagnosed mild autism so mine isn’t as severe but still is there and I don’t like how they portray things like mental illness cause one wrong move and it makes people think all people with this condition act like this which isn’t true .
not to mention that the actor supports and was on autism speaks
"A second surgeon has hit the tower."
"God's gonna put me to Hell for this." *Chicken dances.*
I just want to point out that Coopers hair is making a little heart in this video and I think its very cute
'I AM A SURGEON, I AM A SURGEON, I AM - I AM A SURGEON, I AM A SURGEON DR HAN!' - Dumbledore said calmly.
Dr Han is book, dr Murphy is movie.
😂😂😂
I'm autistic and my biggest frustration is hearing when someone is working with "autism professionals" instead of autistic people themselves. We're so consistently misrepresented because there's still so much misunderstanding. It's such a big struggle to be heard and understood already.
Totally! And half the time by experts they mean autism speaks
EXACTLY
Also, the “autism professionals” they were working with were (I’m pretty sure) Autism Speaks. Idk if you’re familiar with them, but I wouldn’t exactly call them “autism proffesionals”. They’re extremely ableist and problematic, straight up anti-autism.
@@robinjupiter4731 they where, so explains why the representation is so bad
@@robinjupiter4731it’s so frustrating having to explain that to people. My parents learned stuff from Autism Speaks and when I told them it was bad they had a hard time taking in that information. My mom felt I was attacking _her_ because of it (I also think she may be undiagnosed and so does my dad). I also feel I’ve learned more about my autism from other autistics on the internet than other people. When I 1st learned of autism speaks I was horrified to say the least.
“Even if you’re autistic, you can still be a good person” had me, an autistic person, on the ground laughing
“I am a spongebob” absolutely rips
As an Autistic person, I feel it’s important to add - some parts of the internet haven’t been able to separate Sean from actually Autistic people. I’ve been seeing “I am a surgeon” comments on serious videos about autism and it’s just a sad excuse of ableism 😭
Edit: some people were upset I used “someone with autism” instead of “autistic person”, I wasn’t aware of the importance of differentiating the two at the time of the comment but I am now so I changed it since I am an autistic person🫡
it feels like the I am a surgeon meme is a sad excuse of ableism to begin with, like I don't believe anyone making fun of Shaun is actually critizing this show's portrayal of autism so much as they just want to make fun of an autistic character
Is that an anime profile pic?
@@curious1053 is that a virgin loser?
@@curious1053pretty sure it’s a minecraft skin.
@@ultravioletcatastrophe I feel that too, plus that “I am a surgeon” scene is relatable to a lot of people with autism who have more meltdowns. But if I say that I’m just the sensitive autistic or I don’t know what I’m talking about because im so childish. It’s sad.
Plus, House is portrayed as having empathy. He's gentle with some patients. That's a huge and important difference
House and The Good Doctor are nowhere near the same calibur or category of show. You cant compare then just because they are doctor shows. That's just not smart.
@@AmandaDixson I AM A 'THE GOOD DOCTOR', DR HAN!
@@AmandaDixsonweren't they made by like the same people?
@@aviumstrepitus5158 Yeah… bro’s really fallen off though, unfortunately. He’s also producing a “Good Lawyer” show. Saaaame idea as the Good Doctor. ☠️
@@belder3 no freakin way it's just gonna be Extraordinary Attorney Woo all over again
COOPER....WHAT IS THAT CHOKER IN THE BEGINNING... 'DADDY'S TOY'?!?!?!!?
THATS WHAT IM SAYING 😭 no one else noticed Istg 😭 I just commented on it I’m cryinggg
As the mother of an autistic child, I think you raised many valid points about the media depictions of Autism, and how they can be super harmful. You are both balanced AND funny while addressing a very serious topic.
As an autistic person I’m going to be 100% honest here and say that as much as I believe we should be getting VARIED forms of representation, because we all obviously present differently, I think it’s kind of blind to say that representation such as Dr. Murphy shouldn’t exist.
My brother is also on the spectrum and presents more like Dr. Murphy, including his struggling to separate gender identity from biological sex, because his brain takes the “facts” he’s taught and runs with them until he can be presented with research and “facts” that prove otherwise. I am transgender. I am on the other side of this argument that doesn’t see the meaning or value in gender stereotypes and classifications, so this caused issues between us when I came out. He eventually learnt, he grew, but just because someone is autistic doesn’t mean they’re not going to fall victim to toxic mindsets if that’s what they’ve been taught either by their environment or maybe by the side of the internet they end up on at a young age.
My brother also blows the fuck up just like Dr. Murphy does in the ‘I am a surgeon’ scene and it’s not until he’s given time to process later that he’s able to compile his thoughts and emotions and feel embarrassment and guilt over that, it’s a belated response, something a lot of autistic people including myself deal with.
I feel empathy belatedly and it’s only after years of learning how to mask that and PRETEND that I care about someone’s feeling at the time, until such a point that my belated empathy response hits me and I genuinely do feel for them, that I am able to present like I care as a neurotypical person would. I feel such a tremendous amount of guilt and self hatred everyday for the fact that this is how my brain works, that I have to faux-feel until I really feel, because it’s not a lack of love or care, but just how I an hardwired.
What I’m trying to say I guess, is I think that it’s actually quite beneficial for those present in their autism similar to Dr. Murphy to see that they are not evil or cruel or over emotional (when they can’t control their blow ups and have to process and LEARN to apologize later despite how difficult it can feel), or under emotional, but that it’s something a lot of us genuinely struggle with and that we have the ability to learn and adapt and become okay with ourselves.
I think putting those of us that have to suffer with the more the toxic traits that autism can manifest into a box of “bad” or “inaccurate” representation only reinforces the suffering that those in our community have to go through, whilst those of us that don’t suffer as badly get to bask in all the “good” representation of the slight-easier-but-just-as-valid-and-sometimes-difficult aspects. Both can exist at the same time as long as they are handled in a way that best benefits those involved.
Dr. Murphy learnt later to emphasize with his patient, to respect her pronouns and he went out of his way to try and learn from HER what made her the person she is, not only just looking at gender dysphoria from a medical perspective, but going out of his way to form a connection that for some of us makes it easier for us to process and information.
I’m not sure. I’m probably going to get a million angry people tell me I’m wrong, but I just don’t think hiding the ugly side of things that some of us struggle with is actually doing anything but adding to the shame. We can feel comfortable in ourselves and learn to develop and grow without first seeing the root of our struggles pulled out and understood on some level. Autism isn’t an excuse for bad behaviour, but it is a REASON and understanding that reason is the first step to making things better for everyone.
Thank you for saying all of this. It put into words what I've been trying to think about lately. I hope you don't mind me asking, but I would like to ask you this because of the perspective you're coming in with. Do you think autistic people that are on the same spectrum as doctor Murphy should be in high stress jobs? Should autistic people be accommodated when the work environment doesn't allow neurotypicals to be patient with us?
You can probably tell I'm coming at this as an autistic person. I've been seeing more and more representation that presents a little more of the "ugly" parts of autism. Not enough to be unpalatable for an audience of course. But Ive wondering about it for a while. Shaun Murphy represents traits that are less palatable. Idk how necessarily realistic they are but I wonder if it's ok to be a surgeon with his specific difficulties. Is it ok to ask you what you think?
@@kristenyarbrough4287 some people on the spectrum can handle high amounts of stress while others cant.
So I think it depends on how much the person struggles and what symptoms
They present. How severe the symptoms are. Etc. Everyone on the spectrum is different and copes and learns differently. Just like “normal” people do.
@@ardenalexa94 that is fair. Thank you for answering
@@kristenyarbrough4287 no problem
I was looking for this. Plus he has savant syndrome which is something this guy left out. It's not that just his autism makes him super smart, it's savant syndrome and sometimes people's with autism HAVE SAVANT SYNDROME. They're acting like this isn't a real form of autism. No not everyone with autism is this severe, but my cousin is like this as well. Autism but very intelligent. She can play music by notes without needing sheet music. She has such amazing talents but is very much so "but this is the facts" as well. I think it's very discriminatory and the ASD community is almost trying to push this horrible idea that autistic people aren't like this when there are and to act like we shouldn't represent that is strange to me.
I’m autistic and my meltdowns absolutely look like this when I’m overstimulated and I repeat the same thing because I can only focus on that one thing and nothing else around me. It’s been really frustrating seeing people making fun of this scene.
Similar thing happens with my mom and I when we get extremely upset, except neither of us are on the spectrum. Well, one doctor diagnosed me as autistic because he told the same “joke” over and over again to try to get me to laugh to stroke his ego, but I refused to laugh because it was stupid and I was tired, so he told my parents that I had autism because I didn’t understand humour/wasn’t trying to seek his approval by pretending to laugh.
Anyways… yeah, it’s not uncommon for people who are extremely upset to repeat the same thing over and over again. I don’t get why anyone would find this scene funny. My dad actually mocks me sometimes when I get this upset, but if I tell him he’s being an asshole, for some reason I’m the one who gets in trouble for “disrespecting” him and not acting like an adult.
same. it honestly hurts a little. meltdowns are already embarrassing enough but the fact that this scene is being belittled by people who say they are defending us really stings.
I don’t think people are making fun of his meltdown by itself, but about the whole situation. I mean, the show’s been criticized before for making really blank and weird plot lines to excuse the main character being really insensitive and doing actually harmful things. I mean he’s a doctor on the show but regardless of benign autistic he is super out of touch in his own field. Btw, I am autistic and I also believe that bad memes are also being made about it and it kinda bothers me as well, but it’s not something out of nowhere
same here
Lol
Why is no one talking about his necklace that says “daddy’s toy” at the beginning 😭😭
I’m just imagining Cooper’s mom’s reaction to a voice mail from her child just yelling I AM A SURGEON!!!!!😂
Shows like these are the perfect example of why we need more autistic writers involved when it comes to representing us.
Hell, Heartbreak High had a lovable, relatable autistic character who was played BY AN AUTISTIC ACTOR! Not to mention, she was allowed to regurlarly give input to ensure authentic rep of our community!
Edit: There's nothing inherently wrong with Shaun in concept, as a lot of us can personally relate to a few of his struggles. The issue lies in not only how the cast interacts with him at times, but the fact that characters like Shaun are pretty much the ONLY type of autistic representation we see in the media. Not all of us are white cishet men, and we all experience autism differently (it's called a spectrum for a reason).
Heartbreak High is one of the only few exceptions that come to mind, as the character in question also happens to be a queer woman. As much as I love Extraordinary Attorney Woo, her behaviors and how she interacts with the other characters at times unfortunately plays into some of my least favorite tropes when it comes to autistic rep.
The point is, we really need to strive for more authentic representation: Get input from autistic people, hire autistic writers and actors, and realize that if you've met ONE autistic person, you've met one autistic person. That's it.
the 2022 netflix show? i might check that out, i did not know they got autistic representation right
@@mightymeatymech they have soo much representation. You should definitely check it out
That was a cute show. Do you know if they renewed or not?
AND actors/Actresses, etc.
Just goes to show this kind of thing can be done right and respectfully
As an autistic, non-binary person, the fact that the “good doctor” doesn’t get issues with gender is so wild since a lot of autistic people tend to be under the trans umbrella. Like the writers for this are so out of touch with the times.
Yeah but not.. all of them?
@@cmool that’s why I said a lot and not every single autistic person
No they’re not???
it's also common for autistic people to not understand rigid concepts like the gender binary.
@@Meeoollii yep, a lot of trans people are autistic and a lot of autistic people identify with the trans experience. Once again, I did not say all. I can send you some resources about this if you’d like.
as someone with ASD, its hard seeing a meltdown/shut down portrayed this way. Whoever they consulted truly left the community hanging
I mean, just look at Dr. Han's face. He doesn't need to do anything, just stand there existing with his beautiful face despising the Good Doctor LOL
As an autistic person I can say I understand why Shaun is having a meltdown in this situation, it’s really heartbreaking to see something you love get taken away from you
Ok, but is he A SURGEON
@@MaximusDream78 ya know I’m not sure let’s hear him out
@@salemstrange2091 Actually I think he's saying "I AM A spongebob"
I agree. As a autistic guy my self I struggle with being able to read people and express my emotions with clarity.
@@salemstrange2091and the fact that he was fired for honestly telling a patient her anti-depressants were most likely the cause of her baby's condition? Like bruh what the fuck do you expect him to tell her?? It was genetic even though there was most likely no genetic possibility? He's a damn doctor it's his job 😭
the doc not understanding trans ppl is kinda strange bc the overlap of autistic ppl and gender nonconforming ppl is pretty significant. having autism myself, i definitely feel a diconnect from gender. and ffs I wish that shows trying to push a supportive outlook would establish a distinction between gender and sex.
edit: also the stereotype of autistic ppl not understanding social boundaries is annoying 😭 a lot of us spend a lot of energy trying to learn social cues and expectations that don't come naturally/don't make sense to us.
"Understanding" is the key word here imo. I don't always understand the rules and boundaries, but I'm smart enough to know that they exist and that it is kind to follow them. If this character could graduate from medical school, he would be able to do that.
tbf theres also an overlap particularly with autistic males, particularly white and or latino, grasping on to hateful extremist ideologies against women, lgbt community, and people of certain races or immigration statuses, so to make it seem like being autistic and even an autistic savant in medicine immediately means they understand and support these communities would also be ignoring a legitimate issue in the community. our black and white style of thinking can make us susceptible to extremist views for sure. i agree though that i wish shows and movies would show more of us aspies without making it seem like we all are that extreme on the lack of social boundaries spectrum. obviously there is always some degree of it due to that being the nature of the diagnosis in part but it doesnt have to be portrayed like the caricature it so often is.
I mean if the creator is the same as the one who made House then I'm not surprised. An ace writer tried to get their experience out in an episode, but the showrunners overran the desicion to portray it as a "medical issue".
I was gonna comment this, but I'll just comment on yours because I don't actually have autism myself. I am using my husband's account, though, and he is autistic.
It also upsets me that a medical show doesn't understand that there are people born with xy chromosomes and a vagina and with xx and a penis, plus they're are more than just xx and xy "biologically"
@@taylorfrink1182 Oh, the Libertarians almost got me. I'll admit it. We need people who are willing to take the time and explain things to us thoroughly, or the black and white thinking can send us down a pipeline. Social media has been wonderful about making that kind of education accessible.
maybe the good doctor was the friends we made along the way.
When he says "I am a surgeon" with tears in his eyes I feel like I wanna hug him because he's very relatable :'l sometimes I do feel like that too, and I wanna scream to people in their face the way I feel. What is my truth. And I want them to understand and validate me because I'm very insecure. And if I was in his place I would want someone, anyone to come to me and confirm my reality. Like in that scene from Stanley parable where he keeps walking around in circles and the narrator says Stanley must be in a dream but then he opens his eyes and he's still there and then he goes crazy and dies and sometimes that's exactly how I feel on the inside
I saw a South Korean Law Drama called "Extradentary Attorney Woo". Was about a young woman with autism who becomes a lawyer. Felt like it depicted autism in a pretty fair way, making you understand the difficulties she faces and how she deals with them. Would highly recommend a watch.
Was looking for a comment mentioning the show! While it also falls into the stereotype of savant syndrome, I found Woo-young's character far more nuanced and better represented - particularly since there arent many autistic women represented in media. Plus infantilization of autistic adults is addressed rather than the way The Good Doctor treats Shaun and excuses what are genuinely bad behaviours that have nothing to do with his autism
@@dreadwolfrising 100% I also really liked how they handled how society treats someone with autism. The conflicts where the other lawyer feels Woo-young gets special treatment and the whole nepotism debate. Was really heart breaking but an unfortunate reality many have to go through.
I love that show and I loved how for once they made the main character an autistic woman. I feel like the majority of autistic character are men so it’s nice to see
And they addressed the demonization of autism in media (mainly the internet) in that show as well!
I honestly rlly like how they addressed issues people with autism face, it feels real and as an autistic person, there are parts of the show I remember relating to a lot! (specifically with Woo-young’s sensory issues when it came to hearing)
yeah, as an autistic person, I loved that show!! I felt that it represented us really well :)
I honestly thought this show was over… but I guess being a surgeon never ends. I AM SURGEON!!!!
This is an old episode it randomly resurfaced which caused the talk about transphobia.
It isn't transphobic this is a very old episode.
@sewerrat7418 and you are narrow minded. He didn't understand.
@sewerrat7418 did you consider that not everyone understands the trans community
@sewerrat7418 its representation of that
When Quinn goes in for surgery and is told she can't be on puberty blockers anymore, Shawn does try to comfort her and he does become a little more accepting :)
my biggest flex is my mom worked on this show because she worked with the surgeon man on bates motel
Tbh him not caring about his father is kind of justified. From what I remember, his dad was physically abusive to him and neglected his brother. Shawn even says "You killed my Bunny Rabbit" " You killed my brother".
oh yeah his dad threw Shaun's bunny at the wall. shits fucked I would like for Dr Han to Dr Han all over the dad. Dad is crying at Shaun or Dr Han over something and Dr Han does his iconic Dr Han stare.
As an autistic trans person I can confirm that I am a surgeon.
Wait that means you can do your own surgery lol
Omg 100 samsies
@@pissapocalypseNO THEY CAN'T???
@@yuarentlucky I'm gonna do surgery on myself just to spite god
Same 👊
Maybe Dr Han was the friends we made along the way
"i am a surgeon, dr. han" he said calmly
also nice pfp :)
The real Dr Han was the lesson we learned along the way
10:41 literally! i’m autistic and trans😭
Same 😭
Autism is very hit or miss in media, or it isn't spoken about at all. I never forgot how the main chatacter in "Bones" was supposed to be autistic but they didn’t add it in (aka, they never called her autistic despite her personality remaining the same) because they thought the audience wouldn’t like an autistic chatacter. I personally felt really weird about this when I watched the show years later as an autistic girl with a fixation in forensic anthropology and death science. I really related with the main chatacter and saw myself in her when I watched the first few episodes, and having that representation would have been fantastic
yes! i was talking to my mom about it she was definitely autistic. i wish they would have added it in
I love that show and I had no idea that her character was autistic, it makes complete sense now you mention it, but she does grow throughout the show and I think they do a really good job of showing that. I, however, have not seen the end, I don't have access to watch it currently
So I’ve been subjected to every episode of Bones ever multiple times, and they do reference her possibly being autistic in the show… only to brush it off bc sHe’S jUsT wEiRd and slowly take away her autistic traits as the show went on and her and Booth’s relationship became the focus instead of the cases.
@@jessi.mp4 yeah i noticed that too towards the end she lost a lot of the traits and it bummed me out :/
i have to wonder if they did this because they (wrongly) didn't want to have the romance with the david borenaz character if she was autistic, especially back when it started
I’m so glad you talked about how allistic people think being autistic is the same as being an asshole because people get refused a diagnosis for being too “polite” and it makes me so angry. The fact evaluators will make the dumbest excuses like that makes me want to throttle them
It’s like evaluators think we’re too stupid to mimic others and mask when that’s ALL WE DO TO NOT BE CRITICIZED
I was told by an evaluator I couldn't be autistic because I made eye contact with her (nevermind that she was barely looking at me lol)
For most of my life my Autism was questioned because I just didnt act out violently as much as they thought I would. I have done most of the typical stuff an autistic child may do, but as an adult I am a quiet person and very careful with my articulation. I believe masking it has done a lot of damage, because it ends up confusing people when I have a meltdown and they literally just think I am overreacting or being a diva, or attention whore. Like no, I just cant process or express myself like atpyical people. That doesnt mean I am going to be the worst case scenario. I was even told once when I was in a psych ward, that I couldnt be admitted to a certain facility because I was not 'bad enough'.
“You just know a little ToO much about the Civil War.” Damn why you gotta target me like that 😭
The concept of an autistic character being very confused about transness feels very weird to me since most of my circle of friends are both autistic and trans. Especially when the argument for the character brought up is “ah, he just doesn’t understand that it’s fucked up to say that stuff because he doesn’t get the social cues” or whatever, since gender is a social construct and thus I’ve seen from my friends’ experiences and also my own that the idea of gender being so black and white/one way or the other is bizarre and makes no sense to the autistic mind in general. If that makes sense
the fact that so many autistic people are also lgbtq but this show acts like *we’re* the ones who don’t understand the concepts of gender and sexuality 💀
not every autistic person is the same and has the same understandings
wait till bro finds out not every autistic person is the same
@@ashbhabee_536
honestly i feel like ppl like this r always preaching about autism but are the first ones to put all autistic people in one box and are like "ermm actually 🤓 *we* dont do / do ___" like WHOS WE 😭anyways
@@emi-eg9bufr
y’all I said “so many” not “all” 😭
The original Korean version of this show makes much more sense honestly. It's a bit dated and I don't know much about Korean views on autism but the plot of the story is about Si-on (the main character) being able to prove himself to the hospital staff in the pediatrics ward that he is capable of becoming a resident in pediatric surgery. The show focuses solely on pediatrics, which makes more sense than how the American version just skips around to different specialties. Si-on also takes criticism and advice well in the show and he has significant character development. (There's even a cute romance) Most of the first season of the American show has scenes directly lifted from the Korean show.
I forgot to add that each patient gets more than one episode and Si-on forms significant relationships with each of them and their families.
what’s the name of the show? it seems interesting
@@vivchim you can look up"good doctor korean" cuz they got the same name like the american version
A family member of mine is actually watching that version, she said it's 20x better than the other Good Doctor versions
Bro... bro... please don't even joke about that. The korean version portrays an autistic person like a stuttering anime protagonist...
Korean shows are consistently horrible at portrays realistic mental disorders/illness. The american version of the good doctor is way more accurate, I don't understand why people don't believe some people on the spectrum act like Shaun. Not everyone's autism is the same, but the korean version is just... cringe tbh.
Thanks for speaking on autism representation in media. I have level 1 Autism, and it can be a struggle getting people to believe you are actually neurodivergent. Even my own therapist took several months to believe me, despite the fact that I was DIAGNOSED. The autism spectrum is much more diverse and complicated than a simple line. I appreciate you pointing out the misrepresentation and stereotypes. Big fan of your videos. :)
this is obv late but when you said "the point she's making" i thought you were going to say "actually right" and my heart sank 10:30
If I could recommend an insanely amazing show that imo depicts ASD insanely well is the k-drama “Extraordinary Attorney Woo”, which is about Woo Young Woo, a lawyer who has ASD. My friends who are on the spectrum have all said how much they adore the portrayal on that show, and it also has an insanely good plot.
She is such a great actress who took her role very seriously, and spent months spending time with all types of wonderful people who have ASD, and said that experience really opened her mind and was grateful to be taught that autistic people are just as lovely and human as ANYONE else. South Korea is still quite stigmatized when it comes to autism, and this show just showed that autistic people are just as valuable and personable as ANYONE else.
Her character, Woo, has a photographic like memory, but works her ASS off to become a successful lawyer, be sociable, and be recognized for being a good lawyer, not a lawyer who has autism. Highly recommend ☺️
Omg I looovveed watching this show. I’ve watched a few episodes of the good doctor and I can tell it’s an allistic person acting autistic. It’s just so cookie-cutter. I was surprised when I found out the actress who plays Woo isn’t on the spectrum because her portrayal is so well done
Yesssss!!! I love Woo so much, as a woman with autism myself it's really inspiring and great to see!!!!!!
@@sorenlover9957 and in Korea it’s being talked about and brought awareness ! She even studied ASD (the actress) with people on the spectrum to make sure to portray them accurately and respectfully I love her
To add: The original Good Doctor is also a way better portrayal, but I don't remember them actually ever stating he had ASD.
Also It's Okay to Not Be Okay, but there you're dealing with more of a pronounced developmental delay and ptsd.
@@VenusAD definitely mention he’s on the spectrum. Heavily HEAVILY iron fist implied at the very least.
Also it’s okay to not be okay is another great suggestion 🫶🏻
I AM A SURGEON
I AM A SURGEON
nuh uh
I AM A SURGEON
I AM A SURGEON
*does Dr.Hong’s face *
16:48 he doesn't care if his dad dies because his dad abused him
Oh my God!! This show hits me!! I remember a couple of years ago I started watching it and couldn't finish the first season. As a neurodivergent, it seemed so surreal. Absurd. At that time I thought I only had OCD and ADHD... Until recently and due to another medical condition I discovered that I was also autistic... In fact, it is likely that I have savant syndrome, which is what the protagonist is supposed to have... Ironically, the first time my specialist suggested it to me he told me: "you know, like the good doctor" lol... fuck noo... I didn't act like that... I swear I thought he was playing with me. That's exactly why I asked for a second opinion. The new doctor told me the same.. It's very possible... and well, I'm in a marathon of exams to see what's happening to me. Honestly, now it seems more reasonable to me that I have savant syndrome than his performance. Jesus is the worst thing I have seen in a long time!
8:22 “I’m not supposed to be anything” not even… a surgeon?
But he is a surgeon! _He is a surgeon!_ He is a surgeon, Dr Han!
@singingofsilver he has a surgeon
ASAB
@@osheridan DAMN THATS FUNNY
@@singingofsilver 🗿
My daughter has a specialist doctor who is autistic. She's excellent at her job, and struggles with the social aspects for sure. But she doesn't have meltdowns at the hospital. We had an incident where my daughter wouldn't stop shouting and it overstimulated the doctor, and the doctor just walked out and sent a nurse in until my daughter settled down. No meltdown, just removing herself from the situation to ensure she could do her job well.
Dr. Murphy in this show has meltdowns on multiple occasions. Autistic people can be amazing doctors AND learn to adapt in a hospital setting. He really doesn't.
Did anyone ever tell you that autism is a spectrum? Your doctor's autism isn't the same level as everyone else's. My sister is severely austistic and she has meltdowns in her job all the time. She STILL is a good employee. So please don't say stupid shit like that
Meltdowns don’t make you a bad person or unprofessional. We can’t control them.
@@uglysongsforuglysouls exactly
@@soho6435most autistic people have meltdowns at home and are not brain dead when it comes to social skills like Murphy.
@@soho6435 No one's saying your sister or people in general having meltdowns at work are bad employees. They just said that autistic people can be skilled doctors while also having coping strategies/ways to prevent getting super overwhelmed. They didn't say "all autistic people are able to control it" or "it's unprofessional to have meltdowns at work". They literally didn't say that (or hint at it).
The point is that, even though it can be an accurate representation of some autistic people the problem is that it's generally people's only interpretation/understanding of "autistic". The problem is the lack of diversity, the lack of understanding of how different different autistic people can be
I can’t even I feel so attacked at 17:39 but in all seriousness I feel so so seen, it’s true I do know a little bit too much about the civil war. Literally dead though 💀
THE EDITS MAKE THE SHOW TEN TIMES FUNNIER, I'M CRACKING UP
I’m trans and that episode of The Good Doctor caused a lot of damage in my personal life. I have a few relatives who watch the show and used this as “evidence” to tell me that I’m just “ill in the mind” and that I should “get help” and convinced many other people in my family who didn’t necessarily have an issue with me before. I think show runners just need to be more careful with what they put out into the world, because people are influenced by the media they consume, and misguided messages like this can do a lot of real harm for people like me.
Not to mention the whole “xy is a boy, xx is a girl” is false even from a biological view. There are many chromosome variations and they do not necessarily correspond to a particular sex. The way Dr Murphy is speaking about it is very 3rd grade and you would think he would have taken advanced biology as a “genius” doctor. Imo this is a huge oversight in writing and really hurtful. They could’ve actually done the research but they didn’t.
I'm so sorry that happened to you
Like people are now soo obsessed with trans people like wtf.
This, not trans but relatable in other ways such as mental health / disorders (Autism, ADHD, BPD in my family, etc)
Very fucking maddening that they don't take the time to give these things thorough consideration.
Edit: sorry I didn't mean to take away from messaging regarding trans persons // at a time like this, that deserves the MOST consideration
As an autistic person I can tell you the whole asking questions about trans people is very accurate, it's not a diss or anything just general curiosity. The idea of trans people is intriguing for us as it seems strange and alien from what biology says.
@@thwartgorgon6063 I understand that, but there is a difference between asking questions because you genuinely don't understand something and insisting that someone's experience isn't valid and waiting for them to give you a good reason as to why you might be wrong. Also, as much as I am happy to answer questions with people I know, it is not our responsibility to explain our existence to someone we don't know because they haven't educated themselves. Like, I don't know you, why do you think it's just ok to ask me personal questions like that and expectancy answer? No diss to the autistic community the, I am on the spectrum myself, so I do get the desire to understand someone better and the questions just coming out a bit strange, it can just get really uncomfortable.
Nah he has the autistic child look: must be a man (women can’t have autism of course), round face, brown hair, white, super genius. I also am also like this. When I got diagnosed I immediately started looking like this.
black autistic women getting diagnosed and ascending to White Maledom: 👼🏿👼🏾👼🏽👼🏼👼🏻
LMFAO /j
Not you adding incorrect commas and semi comas
@@animesloot3177 biggest fail ever. you misspelled "commas", meant semi-colon, and your point makes no sense because the original comment uses commas correctly?
That stereotypical look was part of why I doubted I could be autistic, as an AFAB POC. It's so frustrating. But I'm happy to see more explicit representation of autistic AFABs in media like with Heartbreak High and Young Royals
@@lexxist no they're right, they were adding a semi coma. it's a rare Half Comatose state that some people experience 😔😔
/s /nonsense
i cannot watch your videos while eating anymore. i almost just choked from laughing so hard💀💀
9:42 oh no I have two squishmallows.. does that mean I’m both transphobic and delulu??
No some of the best queer UA-camrs actually have squish mellows in their backgrounds
I started re-watching House recently and the medical malpractice is insane, and most of the time half the shit wrong with the patient is a direct consequence of the doctors actions. The episode when hes in a dream world and slices the guy open in surgery still haunts my waking hours
Would definitely like to see a reaction to one of those episodes
Do you know hat season and episode that was?
@@smokeykiwi8992 S2E24
I mean at least house literally goes to prison lmao
House is still a badass
Not to mention the Ace-phobia too 😭😭
as an autistic person who’s never seen the good doctor, you’ve given me a valid reason to never watch the show. i’m also a surgeon btw
Not to sound autistic (/j), but are you actually a surgeon or are you making a joke based on the meme? /gen
@@CleverUsername69420 no, it’s just a joke based on the meme.
@@CleverUsername69420 maybe I’m autistic I find sarcasm hard as fuck to determine. I do have adhd is that linked? Who knows 😂
@@jenniferrose2360 look into it instead of looking at things on the internet
i love beabadoobee in ur pfp
I love your vibe so much. The fashion sense is giving me life!!!!! also I had so much second hand embarrassment from the good doctor that I could never watch it.
I’m sorry but Cooper being so happy that he had an 80s outfit…As a person who wants 80s outfits to come back…I’M JUST SO HAPPY (and the footloose made me squeal~ish)
As a person with autism and as a trans person I can confirm that I am in fact, a surgeon
I second this
Best comment ever
as an autistic person that has trans cousin and sister, i actually understood what is a transgender person much easier than the neurotypicals around me, they, for some reason, think this is an incredibly hard and complex thing to comprehend, but for me it was always very easy. Just like any other LGBTQ+ (i'm also part of it). When my sister came out to my mom, she said that they would take time, and that it is hard to just change how they view her, and then i replied "well for me it is being very easy" and she replied "you are different, you have an easier time with that stuff". The thing i don't understand is actually the opposite. Homophobic and transphobic people don't make sense to me at all, and i could go on for AGES about why, but really this comment isn't about this.
Yeah, thats also what I know from myself and most autistic people around me? Like, homophobia and shit like that makes way less sense than transsexuality, which is a fairly easy thing to get and adjust to
Well, there are autistic people that can understand, and some that can't. Just like Neurotypicals. It's just weird we're supposed to ALL be represented by this one kind of autistic character. I like the show and the character, I just don't see it as the ultimate representation, and it shouldn't be. At the end of the day, it's just a show.
Every autistic person is different
You don’t need to be autistic to not be homophobic. My younger brother is autistic and mega homophobic.
@@Astrapricity2 thank you so much for your kind words. I just don’t like It when people put us in boxes and forget that each of us are different. You must be such a good friend!
That whole scene with the trans girl, I had a visceral reaction. My body and soul curled up like a plastic water bottle being crushed.
As an autistic person: we typically have a interest in gaining new knowledge and are willing to change our views when presented with evidence. I heard about the term trans and got hyperfixated on learning everything I could about this new thing I didn't know existed
we cannot represent the entire spectrum in one person. Its too wide. And actually, this scene represent really well the intensity of how people with autism can feel and react, out of frustration cause they feel like they cannot express it to the best to be understood.
Agreed.
Freddie highmore is an amazing actor. People who are criticizing his acting are idiots.
I mean you could at least make a good faith effort, which the “good doctor” most certainly is not
Thank you
My issue is that they chose to portray the stereotype like my autistic ass has never seen representation
i feel like the problem with this show is not (entirely) the portrayal of autism, because as others have said, shaun's symptoms are present in a lot of autistic people. my family friend's son presents similarly, with the hyperfixation and meltdowns. i think the issue is that it is incredibly strange for shaun to present like that WITHOUT MASKING in a profession like his, at his age. i recently realized that i'm autistic and i'm still trying to figure out which of my behaviours are masking and which are genuine as a 21 year old university student. unless shaun was sheltered his entire life, until he entered his residency at the hospital, he would mask way more than he does.
What is masking?
@@darlingkorexo good question! masking is a term autistic people use to refer to imitating other people, specifically their emotional responses. like looking happy for someone when they tell you good news. for a lot of autistic people, its a conscious or learned choice to act "normal" when around people, especially ones you aren't close to.
@@darlingkorexo It's also probably a reason why so many autistic people (about 50%) have alexithymia, meaning that we don't recognise and can't properly name our emotions. For me for instance, in an age where others learn to talk about and process their emotions, I learned that I was weird and how to hide this as well as I could.
It took many years to learn how to put that mask off and be open with myself & with other people. Masking can come with a lot of shame, too.
There's not much public discourse of masking in media at all, even outside of this show.
It's true that the traits are there, but this isn't just a lack of masking, it's infantizing meltdowns.
Hearing cooper talk about autism when none of my other regular commentary channels have makes me so happy. I am an autistic teenager, but it took be ages to get a diagnosis because “you girl, girls not autistic”. Sincerely, thank you for spreading awareness
Also I am a surgeon
"I am SPONGEBOB!"
"No, this is Patrick."
A good science show with autism representation is Bones! It’s scientifically accurate and Brennan’s autism isn’t explicitly stated in the series but the character was written with being autistic in mind. Her autism isn’t credited as the reason she’s smart, either.
The scientific accuracy is eh, but Bones is the best and I stan
@@cjboyo sorry let me rephrase LOL scientific accuracy compared to other shows
I love bones!! Zack seemed autistic to me as well as Brennan.
as a person with autism, I can confirm that I’m a surgeon who also happens to be a genius
I strive to be as unbothered as Dr. Han
I'm gonna be honest, every time I see the guy shove the badge in Dr. Hans face shouting that it reminds me of the scene when moana shoved the heart in Maui's face shouting, "the ocean chose me!!!" I don't know why but that makes me think of that.
A lot of issues people have with this comes from the fact that the actor works with/supports Autism Speaks and the fact that the “I am a surgeon” scene is basically a neurotypical actor pretending to have an autistic meltdown, which is a really painful experience for a person to have. It’s also reminiscent of people filming a child’s autistic meltdown in public, which is really painful to watch and not something that should be used for entertainment.
The transphobia was clearly a “autistic person doesn’t understand social conventions and struggles to adapt to new information/worldview” which just rankles me. Autistic people tend to be some of the most accepting, understanding, intellectually adaptable that people I know. Like it’s not hard for us to take in new information.
(And a lot of trans people I know are also autistic which is just a silly little fun fact.)
A show about autism totally from a neurotypical perspective
Also trans and autistic, and I've noticed the same thing!
He's actually Autistic. He's not typical.
You may have a perception, but you have an unjust bias.
@@AmandaDixson Freddie Highmore is not autistic, he’s even said this himself. You seem to be the one with an unjust bias.
there's a show called extra ordinary attorney woo where the main character is a super genius attorney with autism. but there's this one character that appears for a episode who also has autism but that character is not a super genius. the show shows all sides of the spectrum. It's honestly one of my favorite shows [its a kdrama btw] it a show I recommend to people who don't watch kdramas. The main character is kind and cute. She's an amazing person and many episodes are amazing
There are other Autistic characters too.
hey ik that kdrama too! it's super good and awesome I'm so glad someone else knows it!!
i wish more ppl talked about extraordinary attorney woo!
Oooh I love this show
I WATCH THAT TOO! I love that show sm
3:21 THIS MADE ME CHOKE ON MY FOOD
This is so random, BUT, Cooper's outfit ATE!*no crumbs left* It is so cute and i love the sweater
Honestly it’s so dumb to say that he “doesn’t understand social boundaries” yet he asks the girl if she wears dresses and likes the color pink which are all gender roles made by society. Also a lot of autistic people, myself included, are some kind of non-binary term or trans because of that exact reason. Because of our lack of understanding of social norms including gender, a lot of us identify outside of said social norms.
I'm autistic. I was studying in a medicine-adjacent field (I've since moved more towards the research pathway but that's another topic). The thing that frustrates me most about this show is that there is absolutely no way that Shaun could have made it though med school. The lecturers will intentionally pressure you and push you to the brink, and when you start cracking they will use it against you. At the very least, Shaun needs to be wayyyy better at masking. He seem incapable of learning and he makes the same type of mistakes over and over again.
I saw a neurosurgeon who acted like him, although I don't know if he ever had meltdowns like that. 🤔
autism is a spectrum not all autistic people are the same dude
@@devilskiss8421 Yeah they're not all the same, but floof_hair was talking about masking and coping. Things that all autistic people have to deal with in their life.
Shaun is very intelligent and can figure out all those medical problems when he's calm. But with how the character has been shown to behave in emotional situations and high-stress environments, he's clearly not suited to being a surgeon. Not yet at least. It's very dangerous to become disassociated or have a meltdown during a surgery, for example.
Not saying he can't be a surgeon at all, but he needs a LOT more help before he can do that, and he cannot be one with how the character has been shown to behave so far.
@@devilskiss8421okay? They were talking about how he would’ve already had to go through a lot of similar pressures already
You didn't watch the show, did you?
“I AM A SURGEON DR HAN!!!”, said Dumbledore calmly
Good vid as always Cooper, but ong, his bangs look so cute when they make a heart
I just now discovered this guy and I feel like I just walked into my grandmas house and am talking with the cool older cousin. And as a person with autism, I can indeed confirm that I am a surgeon.
FR FR AHAHAHA
5:15 *_Sir, a SECOND surgeon has hit the towers_* is FUCKING SENDING ME 😂
I am autistic myself. Seeing him struggle like this makes me feel validated...
As an autistic person, something ain't right here- Why did they work with "autism professionals" and not actual autistic people?? That's kinda dumb if you ask me. Why would you get information from someone who studies it, and not someone who actually has it?
As an autistic person I laughed at the "i am a surgeon" clip at first. Me and my brother (also autistic) found it funny due to how bad and inaccurate it was. But then Neurotypical people started using it under videos of people with autism who were simply having fun. I hate telling people I'm autistic since the boys at my school found out and now they won't shut up about that clip. Honestly, I thought us as a society knew better, guess I was wrong :/
Like this people that says autistic people are "cringe" but they are just being themselves, expressing and having a good time uwu :(( is so sad that just being you is the silly little joke of someone who thinks they are superior to you just for it
@@Vioma_neblinado EXACTLY! it's the worst!
@@user-lf9qt5vr6y this!!! Literally the other day I got made fun of by 6 people because I was autistic, no other reason. They told me to 'be normal' and it shows there's no hope for people with disabilities when this shit is happening.
Autism is a spectrum. You and your brother do not represent all autistic people. Some people with autism are more susceptible to mental breakdowns due to overstimulation.
@@Shield954 I know that?? I never stated I'm the ceo of autistic people? I'm just saying from MY point of view, it's not funny and a bad representation. I'm someone who has awful sensory breakdowns and has to wear headphones outside, if I don't, I have a breakdown. I'm almost always overstimulated. So, from someone who struggles alot all I'm saying is this isn't the way to show it and the joke isn't entertaining in the slightest.
I'm baffled how nobody balmes the script directors and writers and blames the actor who just acted what the script said -
allistic people shouldn't act as autistic characters.
@hopeywopey Ah yes, and a non serial killer should not act as a serial killer in a series because that is flawed.
When it is a work of fiction that is based on a present reality, actors are hired to play diverse roles. And just because they don't fit its criteria doesn't mean they can't act. It is their job.
@@celestesencountersno, you shouldn’t hire a member of the majority to play a minority, end of story. non-disabled people should not be playing disabled characters
@naomi5328 They way I see it. Acting is a role that you do to get a salary and make a living. A role is a role.
I don't care that its minority or majority. I just watch a series because I enjoy the performance. Which stops at that, *a performance* not deemed to be 100% real
@@celestesencounters Someone playing a serial killer, which is an action, is far different than playing someone with a specific and marginalized identity.
"I am a surgical practitioner 😠"
"Y ou wEre lmaoooo 😘🥰😍😚🤩😜🤪😊"
The "Daddy's Toy" choker in the first 5 seconds 😭
As a 15 year old girl with Autism I can assure you I have a medical degree and can perform Brain surgery with my eyes closed :)
My mom won’t even get me tested for autism because she watched the good doctor and now an time I say anything she’ll disprove it by pointing out a random thing the good doctor has or said to disprove it…
Don't talk with her about it. What I had to do was not talk about my mental illness with family until I could find a way to make them relate.
It's a weird thing, that took me years to realize : you cannot make someone understand, and you can only do you. In hospital, I realised we are taught all these for our functioning and improvement, but 'neurotypical' people never have to learn. BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THESE SKILLS EITHER.
Just do you. If you find a moment where you can explain something, try.
I'm so sorry, that's awful.
This is why The Good Doctor isn't "just a show". It harms so many people
And as I scrolled down to look for another video and in the picture for one it says “I am a teacher” 🤣 perfect timing
My life is quite tragic recently but your Show gives me a good dose of laughter!!🎉😂