what u can say about z690 usb problems, i found on a reddit tread about that, usb disconnects and reconnects. what about b660 with 12700/f, all fine? pls make a video about that
And it will probably be similar with Zen 4 and Raptor Lake. Competition is always good for us. I have a feeling both the Ryzen 5 7600X and I5 13600K will be so fast that most gamers won't have to worry about bottlenecking their GPUs below RX 7800 XT and RTX 4080 performance levels. Especially at 1440p and above.
@@valentinvas6454 lol, 7600x and 13600K will be so fast that it won't be a bottleneck even for RTX 3090ti . It will be bottleneck for rtx 4090 but idk that GPU gonna be so expensive.. 2500$ MSRP is expected..
@@damara2268 Bro, even a cheap, slow, entry level i5 12400. cannot bottleneck a 3080ti. And the 12600k is significantly faster than the 12400. So why would a 13600k bottleneck a 4090? Do you even know what kind of monster intel plans to make out of the 13600K? Its going to make even a current gen i7 12700 look slow.
I've recently upgraded all of my sons' gaming rigs with 5600's and RX 6600 non XT's. The CPU's were $175 (US) and the gpu's from eBay were $225 (US). The performance difference of drop in parts vs what they had ( R5 1600af and RX 580) is amazing. I'm not anti Intel or Nvidia. The reason they have gaming rigs in the first place was the affordability of the 1600af ($100) and the used 580's ($125) from last crypto bubble plus the known longevity of the am4 socket.
You are a great dead. Your sons are going to have a happy childhood with those new parts you got them. Thank you. Hopefully you are helping them get a few new games each time there is a sale on steam?
As your sons already had AM4 motherboards that was a dead simple choice. And it was the "correct" one. I say this last as it saved you money, gave you the best performance per buck and rewarded a company for providing long term support. However not every situation is as clear cut. I'm constantly keeping an eye on what's the smart upgrade for a friend who is currently so far behind the curve that it's hilarious. Once he's finally had enough I want to be able to suggest a cheap and reasonably upgradeable solution. At the moment I'm leaning towards a i5 processor on a decent B660 motherboard simply because a few years down it should be possible to pick up a cheap used 12 or 13'th gen processor that more than doubles the performance. And given how slow he is at upgrading that will be quite important. There's some interesting development here too. If things playout as hopped then there will soon be a decently priced B660 motherboard that's an upgrade to a very good MB, but with BCLK overclocking. Then it will be possible to throw say a i5-12400 on it and OC to 12600 performance (about 33%). That looks like it would be pretty easy as the manufacturer claims a 50% performance boost is "easy" for a 12600, if I remember correctly. At that kind of performance a small price premium for the MB should pay off quite nicely. Now all of this is still speculation at this moment, but it should be nice if it played out. On the other hand, if he drags his feet much longer then AM5 might be a more interesting platform. It all comes down to performance for the money and what the possible upgrade path looks like in five or ten years...
I had something similar happen with a friend. He only used his desktop for a few things and o e of them was editing short videos of and for family. Intel was the best choice for him as his software utilizes quicksinc.
The 5700x was $198 over the weekend and I will be more than satisfied with the drop in AM4 upgrade for years to come before i get that itch for the new platform once it has matured. Im coming from a 3600x that costed me $215 in 2020 so im getting more performance and more cores for cheaper! Shoutout AM4’s longevity 🙏
@@ashar1783 I think the 5700x is a worthy upgrade over the 3600. Pulls the same power as the 3600 but 8 cores and faster cores. Gives you some headroom if you upgrade your gpu! I have it paired with a 3080 at 1440p and its buttery smooth and I get less frames drops and faster frames than my 3600x
@@ashar1783 Also, if you play at 1080p high refresh rate, you will notice a difference going to the 5700x. 5000 series cpus overall have a solid IPC uplift over 3000 series and will get your average frames up a good bit, even if you went with a 5600x, the difference will be noticeable. And the less frame drops will be the biggest upgrade that's noticeable to the average gamer
AMD fan here (non-frothing). 5700x is the best choice for me, as I have an AM4 board. I also recognise that in some places, an Intel machine will be better value. And I happen to like Intel being so close in performance, it stops AMD doing what they've done in the past, and winding up the prices. Competition is good for everyone, mkay?
I feel like if you are buying a new system I would go with Intel because of the newer platform (PCIe 5.0, DDR5, etc.) and you still have a upgrade path to Raptor Lake. But as Steve said, if you already own a AM4 board, Zen 3 is the obvious choice.
So buy Alder Lake now and 6 months later buy Raptor lake ? Yeah, very good upgrade path. A short path. Imagine buying a CPU after 6 months of building a system with Alder Lake. Only inteldolts would do such thing. 11 likes wow. 11 people believe upgrading from Alder lake to Raptor lake in 6 months is a good idea. Imagine buying Alder Lake now, selling it after 5 months, then buy Raptor lake 1 month later. Best upgrade you can do.
@@JamesSmith-sw3nk I agree. I lived in a bad and poor 3rd world country and even I still managed to buy a gaming pc from just washing cars, mowing people's yards, driving taxis, etc. You can even go to IT companies or hospitals or schools or businesses and see if they can't sell you their old computer parts for a low price. Companies are always upgrading their systems every 5-10 years and they donate or dump their old equipment. So asking them for parts could get you something decent. And whatever you can't find as a used part, just go to all of your regular IT stores and compared prices. When living in the US, there is even less of an excuse. Even little kids can arrange for an i5 and rtx 3060.
@@JamesSmith-sw3nk Naah I have a 9 to 5 job. But even after that the PC components are damn costly in India where I live. Don't think that all of Hardwareunboxed viewers live in the First world.
Nice video as always :) I know it's extra work, but including a lower end GPU along with the high end one keeps things real and is valuable information beyond the maximum performance you can get out of a CPU with what's available.
Agree if you use mid tier gpu cpu does not really make much difference unless you play esport games or very cpu intensive games like teardown , cities skylines, flight sim such msfs and xplane etc
Im excited for mine coming in the mail! Im coming from a 3600x and while it was a great lil cpu for the past two years paired with a 2060, its getting a lil slow in newer games since I upgraded to a 3080. I dont want to bottleneck it for too long!
@@Bdot888 3600x was probably fine, especially if youre playing at anything above 1080p (which given that you have a 3080 I'd have to assume you do). In which case you'll barely, barely notice a difference in gaming but whatever, milk that AM4 socket for all its worth, I say.
@@Dilo22 yeah most def still enjoyable experience at 1440p with my 3600x. But my %1 lows would def do better with the 5700x and this would satisfy me for years until I get that itch to upgrade to the next gen platforms when the time is right. The AM4 socket is great and I am glad I went that route 2 years ago and can just easily plop in a new cpu. The 5700x was $198 for black friday so I knew i had to jump on it. Cheers to AM4!
I can see both sides, neither are giving you a guaranteed 5-year lifespan socket. I do suppose if you later want a 12+ core cpu, they might simply be easier to find 2nd hand on the Ryzen side due to them being out for longer.
@@Aggrofool if you buy a 5800x now, however, you're buying into a dead end platform other than 5900x and up - pretty sure thats what the original commenter was talking about
if you can wait 6 months it makes more sense to wait for AM5 so you have upgrade options in the future. if you have an AM4 board, upgrade the CPU if you need to buy now, go with the 12600 or 12700 depending on how much multithread performance you need
I recently upgraded to a 5700x from my 2600. It's such an easy to recommend upgrade for any mid to low end AM4 system from previous generations, especially with apps like HYDRA making it so easy to get 5800x performance. I wouldn't call it a great upgrade for 3900x users lol. Intel is currently the better option for a new build if you can fork out the cash for DDR5 etc, but it's still hard to argue against the value the AM4 platform offers. Hopefully, AMD can do it again with AM5. I highly doubt Intel will ever offer similar platform support, we can but hope though.
@@ImKarl... ignoring pricing, Performance is relative to need, Outside Use Case its arbitrary. And Need is confused with Want, and people want and feel instantly entitled to everything, Nothing is Ever Enough even 5 seconds after its released
I upgraded to the 5700x from the 3600 and couldn't be happier as i have the msi b550 tomahawk. I also purchased the rtx 3070 which has dropped to a third of the priceof what it was.
@@lkline000 I think it was HUB that did a big test of 6 vs 8 cores on zen3 and I think two out of 40 games saw a performance improvement, though the 6 core CPU was still perfectly fine in those two. Unless you're using CPU cores for other things while gaming(does discord count? that seems CPU heavy for some reason) the 5600 will probably last for quite a while. Considering you seem to upgrade pretty regularly I would get the 5600 because by the time the 5700X would be significantly better you will probably get something else anyways.
@@odizzido thing is; they dont account for background tasks that we all use while gaming or the mayority. There the 8 cores help to not lose Performance
Intel did very good job balancing the prices of CPUs and motherboards. Pure marketing making the chips looking really competitive price-wise, but compensating the lower price with overpriced boards Woahhh
when i build my rig and rigs for friends the amd chips where cheaper but amd boards where way more expensive to even get the features you get on a intel board. the same mpg gaming was 50 bucks more as for my intel build and still lacked features and had a worse vrm setup.
@@tuckerhiggins4336 Yeah i dont truste people. i ahve a policy about buying and selling second hand. i dont want to deal with people at all. people cant be trusted. the last 4 times i bought something second hand i got shafter too so no more. and if you sell something they manage to break it and blame. No thx. instead if give away old parts to people needing it more then i do.
Amd comes out cheaper due to the maturity of the platform. Even if the 5800x is 300 you can get a board that works with it much cheaper than say a 12700f and most of the time you wont be able to tell the difference in gaming. I got my x570 tuf off amazon warehouse for about 65 bucks came brand new.
It's fairly well understood that an AM4 processor will perform fairly similarly in any AM4 motherboard and so the B350 testbed used in this comparison won't make much difference to final thoughts, excuse accepted. However, using a Z690 for testing and B660 for price comparisons in final thoughts, we don't have the same understanding that a 12700F will perform similarly on both platforms particularly given Intel's history of platform variance between chipsets. This comparison should have been done with one of the price comparison boards to ensure no suprise variable rears its head in the price comparable build suggested in final thoughts. With intel's PL1, and PL2 states all over the place depending on the motherboard used, you can't guarantee that any B660 board will perform similar to any other B660 board due to the inconsistency of the out of the box bios defaults or if these states are tuneable to the same degree on all motherboards that could be considered for the final thoughts build. B350 is definitely a lowest common denominator platform for stock performance comparison. The question is what constitutes the lowest common denominator for 12th gen intel given the need to cherry pick the motherboard for PL2 behaviour characteristics with a competent VRM to sustain that.
I was coming from an Intel build using a 6600K. I just built a completely new system at the end of April and went 5700X. For me, it came down to two considerations, with one of those ultimately being the one that pushed me in the direction of AMD. The first issue is the Windows 11 scheduler and Alder Lake E cores. I don't like Windows 11, so the E cores would likely be disabled and would lose some amount of performance while I'm still using Windows 10. That alone wasn't enough to dissuade me. I considered going 12600 to avoid E cores, or even disabling E cores on an 8 core CPU. The main reason I went AMD was due to Intel's socket issues with Alder Lake. Gamers Nexus put up a video within the last two days talking about this. I know Intel runs hot and is less efficient when things are working well, and apparently things aren't that well with Intel's new socket and ILM. There are apparently issues with the chips (or maybe just the IHS) bending, and some issues with heat transfer to the cooler. I was further deterred by Intel trying to downplay the issue.
As a 5800x owner I have to say the Intel thermal issues are a bit overblown. At least those chips can be cooled and have solid overclocking headroom. Ryzen processors on the other hand are nearly impossible to cool above a certain point due to thermal density constraints. As well as AGESA. Don't even get me started on that shit show
False. intel does not run all that hot. yes temps can be improved but the same is a fact for AMD due to the off center cores in the design. Both have a 5-7 degree difference. Heck you get another 5-7 degrees but delidding and using liquid metal and direct die cooling adds another 5 degrees. yes you can get 15 degrees better but its irrelevant. the heaty output to the room will remain tthe same. Only the transport is more efficient. And seeing your willing to disable E cores you are a gamer and dont do professional or hobvby work on it. this means intel runs COOLER as amd and uses LESS power then a AMD build. There is so much misinformation. keck in cinebench a 12700k is more efficient as a 5800/5900x because it is done sooner. yes it spikes higher but for shorter. And downplayijng it doesnt mean they are wrong. Remember the 9900k? super thick die and oh it was getting so hot... wel i own one and they ran hot for 2 reason. 1 is the thick die (but the headspreadder is thinner as AMD and B motherboard for this gen SUCK my board forcefeeds it 1.39v while it only needs 1.22v. that shaves off litterally 20 degrees. (i went with it because i got a free board for it so that shaved over 250 bucks off the system price and 3xxx wasnt outy and frankly in my adcabntage worse for gaming). Again a lot of misinformation and its irrelevant. buy whats best not what the hype numbers tell you. oh and 1 more thing. intel systems run cooler idle as they draw a lot less power idle and that makes even even more efficient if your the kindof person that runs the pc all day on low intensity tasks.
Who said Alder Lake doesn't work on Win 10? I was ambiguous when I said E cores would be disabled. That should be clarified by saying I considered going with 12th gen and manually disabling the E cores myself due to lacking the Win 11 scheduler. I also considered 10th and 11th gen Intel since those perform reasonably well and have a more traditional architecture, but they run hot imo. The deciding factor for me is still the socket issue with Alder Lake. Maybe it's fine, but I wasn't willing to risk it.
I have a 12700f with an Asus TUF H670 and i don't have any issues using Windows 10. The heat transfer is not a problem at all, specially not during gaming. In fact AMD has much bigger problems with the heat transfer because of the chiplet design. The socket problems you mentioned are non existant, its just a short term cash grab media sensation. If you don't remount the CPU every month, you'll never have a problem with it.
Not a fanboy of either but the minimum lows difference was brutal on the higher end AMD card. And for me, minimum lows are far more important than average framerate as it determines the smoothness of the gaming experience on the whole. As I don't own a Ryzen board, I think the 12700K is the right choice.
If 1% lows is everything then the 5800X3D is the answer. Only $40 more than a 12700K but faster than a 12900K which has been paired with a seriously expensive DDR5 6400 kit. You need a 12900KS, DDR5 6400 kit *and* a top shelf 360mm AIO cooler to exceed it... which combined costs a high end GPU...
@@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418 Honestly it doesn't matter. LGA1700 is as dead as AM4. Raptor Lake is already confirmed to not support DDR4, and if you're already targeting a 12900K(S) with DDR5 6400 CL32 the ~15% uplift of Raptor Lake is meaningless.... So as always with Intel, every platform is DOA, and should thus not be part of the consideration.
@@andersjjensen clearly it does matter. People want to have an upgrade path. A new AM4 system doesn't offer that. Why on earth would you build a brand new system on DDR4.....I mean that would be an unacceptable level of stupid.
Thank you Steve/Hardware Unboxed! I just recently "upgraded" to a 5700x and RTX 3070 GPU, from a 3700x, and 2060 Super GPU. My motherboard is a MSI B450 Pro Gaming Carbon AC, with the latest BIOS (also 16GB 3,600mhz Ram, CL18). My conclusion is that, yes, an Intel system would probably yield some higher FPS in certain games at certain times, as well as productivity in certain manners. As having an AMD system for years now, I can't really imagine selling my AMD system and buying Intel CPU and motherboard (at somewhat of a premium) just to have higher performance at probably 14-18% overall. If anything I would upgrade from the 5700x to the 5800x3D, but waiting until that price comes down...and also considering upgrading the cooling solution for the CPU, with the higher TDP. ANYWAY, just my 2 cents. Love my 5700x, but I acknowledge the 12700F as a very decent chip as well.
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior Understood. Overall, I just wanted to say personally that I am enjoying my gaming experience with the 5700x at 1440p...very smooth, stutter-free gameplay at high and ultra settings. There is higher FPS to be gleaned on other platforms/builds...AMD and Intel alike. Acknowledged. For instance, if I had a 3080TI or 3090! 😉 But just saying, I very much like what I have now for the price and what I do with my computer.
i use 3600 with 2070 super. i was thinking to upgrade the cpu to 5600x now and a 4060 next year. i play at 1080p so i am a little confused regarding 5600x and 5700x. also what are their ddiff in power draw and temps
@@lkline000 5600, 5600x and 5700x are all 65w cpus. 5700x having 2 more cores, temps would be a bit higher in certain scenarios. However, if you are not overclocking, it won't need an expensive cooler. In fact, 5700x power consumption is exactly like 5600 and 5600x because clocks are a lot relaxed, compared to the first released 8 core 5800x. Price should be the deciding factor.
We really are back in the realm of when Intel released the Core2Duo series. It is a great time to see any decision on AMD vs Intel being basically never a losing proposition.
FX had that roll before e6600 from Intel, socket 939 was the beast for AMD back then and Nvidia even made chipsets for AMD boards , Core2 was all that saved Intel
@@kravenfoxbodies2479 I remember just how many they made too. It was included in every single one of the school Dell prebuilts they bought in 2008. it was nuts.
@@VanillaWahlberg God if I only knew then... I remember my childhood dream of wanting to know how it works, being crushed by the fact the consumer computer industry was corrupted by intel, so many competitors lost. Sadly the dual X86 company isn't to be topped due to licensing of X86-64 being split between the two.
Here the 12700F goes for the same price as a 5800X and the 12600KF is the same price as the 5700X. Though, the results will probably be the pretty much the same. Right now the only AMD CPU I'd recommend for gaming only is the 5800X3D, but those are still impossible to get at non-scalped prices.
In my country the 5700X costs ~700kn less then the 12700F. That's more than 100$ cheaper. I can buy a motherboard for the price difference. But let's put pricing aside which may vary. You didn't tackle the stock CPU cooler performance, do both CPUs stay cool enough in an average case with not much airflow during video encoding? I'm worried about the 180W max turbo TDP of the 12700F.
@@samgoff5289 well i went to look for it, and no, it cannot be easily cooled, the 12700F in cinebench on intel cooler is a no go. It requires a better cooler or a case with good airflow. In gaming it can be cooled ok but in all core workloads I would risk overheating/throttling. The 12400F is better in this regard. An alternative would be undervolting perhaps, but too much hassle. I think I will wait for AM5 and RaptorLake and see how it goes from there.
I replaced my aging 2700X with a 5700X a few months ago. I updated my Crosshair x370 board and dropped it in. Massive upgrade for $300. If I was building a new system, I'd go Intel, but if you have an older AM4 system, I say just drop in a new Zen 3 CPU and call it a day.
I was gonna do 2700X (x470) to a 5800x/5900x. But unfortunately my motherboard was dying, along with my CPU, so it made more sense to go Intel since I wanted to replace both.
@@MarcABrown-tt1fp yeah it was definitely hot. It honestly worked flawlessly for 3 years, but about 5 months ago my CPU and mobo started developing gremlins I couldn't get rid of. Eventually it just stopped booting.
Just bought a Ryzen 5800X for £180, MSI B550 Tomahawk £120, RX 6800XT £525 from flea bay, ordered some new Kingston 3600 MHz CL17, 1TB SSD pci-4, AK620 Zero Dark CPU cooler reusing my Define R4 case & Seasonic M12 850W PSU; can’t wait to get a 7900; Go Team Red!!!
I just got the 5700X from Amazon for 169 dollars. I'm upgrading from a 5 2600 and a GTX 1080. That was much more cheaper than change my B450 mobo for a new AM5 platform.
Yeah the AM5 platform is crazy in price right now and it should come down later on. But yeah I'm also on a similar cpu to 2600 and will get a 5700x as well along with upgrading my 1070 to a AMD gpu with 12/16Gb VRAM later on.
"Meanwhile for the Core i7 [...] we need a brand new motherboard [...] for 260 bucks" 2:38 ... Haha, that's why I am only looking for AMD Ryzen for like 5 years! The best upgrade route these days seems to be like buying a used Ryzen PC with some 1st or 2nd gen CPU (1600 AF, 2600, 2700X) and then upgrade to used Ryzen 3rd or 5th gen if a newer graphics card needs more performance. But even a Ryzen 2600 paired with a RX 5700Xt or RX 6600 does a great job for very little bang for the buck! I'd rather would invest the money in a 2TB nVme SSD with at least 3000 MB/s read, a VR Headset like the Quest or newer or a better RTX 3060 12 GB for trying out Raytracing! These days it's good to be a PC gamer! Greetings from Berlin und auf Wiedersehen! p.s. But first I'm watching your video further ... of course! ;o)
Good breakdown and if on AM4 and upgrading then the 5700X is the way to go...But if building new, the 12700F is just great across the board especially when you throw in semi pro and pro workloads.
@@Traumatree disagree. The 5800x3d has no use case, its more unstable than other skus and alder lake offers good alternatives. Best product value wise rn either 5600 or 12400
@@Traumatree if your only gaming yeah 5800x3d is great but its slower than 5800x in multi core which allready looses to 12600k, while having no upgrade path when u can get raptor lake on lga 1700 but yeah am5 hype
@@TileBitan It has outstanding performance in Factorio, DF and Stellaris(and probably other Clausewitz based games), leading the 12900kf by a large margin. If you mostly play any of those or any other games that benefits greatly from the cache, the 5800X3D is an obvious choice.
@@diggertheminer Well, we're talking about gaming performance here, aren't we? If you want to do everything great, you go with the 5950X, or you can wait for AM5. There no reason to be stuck with yet another Intel chipset that will need yet another motherboard with Intel's next cpu.
I love the amount of work you put into making thede comparisons. It makes cross referencing much easier and helps making a choice on an informed basis, unless you get opportunity-paralyzed like me... I ended up hunting for a good combo deal as the price differences otherwise were too small for me to just go something.
If you already have an am4 motherboard and are not planning for the best go the 5700x or a 5800x3d if it is only for gaming (but wait the am5 processors are available and wait the price reductions)
The 5900X is only 27€ more than the 12700F in my area right now. So combined with a B550 it's still a bit cheaper than 12700F+B660. "Best Value for Gamers" is still 5600X+B550 though.
I'm not sure the argument for a new build picking the intel option stacks up. I say this because as these cpus are much the same in the mid range gaming category then a new build with intel will get you one generation of cpu for the additional cost of 150-200 USD now. But if you buy the cheaper AMD option and then change the mobo and cpu for the next gen then as AMD have shown they will support multiple updates on the socket, you get longer lifespan and value. Thus if you want a new build and you're in mid range then getting the cheper AMD option now and upgarding in the future seems to make more sense (especially if psu and cooling on this system will still work on more power efficient systems) rather than paying 2 to 3 times for a whole new intel mobo + cpu. That's my thinking. It all hinges on AMD staying true to longer term support and intel following their historical ways.
Thank you so much for this, it definitely earned my subscription. I’m currently planning out a partial build for one of my friends (they bought a prebuilt with proprietary parts with a 9700K, 2070S; I should have known better when advising them) and I’ve been on the fence when it comes to budgeting a new mobo, CPU, memory, etc. for the build given cost effectiveness (they’re likely to keep the 2070S for another gen), and it seems that Intel might be the way to go with an upgrade path for Raptor Lake, assuming it supports DDR4. I might just buy a lower end 12th gen CPU for them and help get them the 13700 when it comes out in the future.
I think it's great to see Intel finally making good CPUs again. Competition between the two giants is what helps keep the market fresh, and gives us system builders a choice in the end. Not sure if AMD is going to stick to the same upgrade path scenario with AM5, but I really hope they do. Even if their CPUs don't keep up with Intel, they can still be the budget-friendly option when it comes to offering an upgrade path, and can even go back to the price-performance ratio while still offering an overall solid option.
TBH, their 14nm process was pretty impressive 😆 it remained somewhat relevant for the most part with only 11th gen being a pretty hard miss (performance going backwards).
I ended up getting a 12700f and z690 for 450 CAD. Thanks to Amazon prime day. Z690 was cheaper than the cheapest b660 lol. Now I'm sure I won't be bottlenecked by the cpu on my current 3070ti and possibly in the next few years when I upgrade to 4xxx 5xxx
if i want to build new PC with AM4 , i would rather spend more and get 5800X3D for pure gaming or 5900X or even 5950X for longevity. May be AMD decide to do something with AM4 since DDR5 is expensive and not sable yet . who knows . Other than that i hate to admit it but i do agree getting intel 12th gen cpu is the better option . Anyway great content . 👍
watching the interview betwen AMD and Forbes, AMD said they still supoprt AMD AM4 for next few years (maybe like 1-2/3 years in my opinion), so for new build to Ryzen AM4 still more better than Intel Alder Lake. maybe they will launch 5700x3d or 5900x3d? who knows. what i love is They still support AM4 even they launching AM5.
I play at 1440p and just bought the 5800x right before the 5700x came out. Would much rather have gotten the 5700x just for lower power and temperatures. I could leave 1% performance out there since 1440p the difference is negligible
If I was on amd no question I would go amd, if I was building a new system right now I would go Intel, it's overall better for gaming and any time you choose to run a CPU intensive program Intel will just about always do better right now, the price is easily justified.
yep, im considering upgrading from r5 1600 to r5 5600X for 170 usd, can probably get 50-70usd back for my r5 1600 meaning the upgrade will be around 110 usd which is crazy
Good idea separating the monitor stuff, I don't care about monitors so always skipped those vids. Never going under 43" for my PC monitor, been using and will keep using TVs for my monitor, cheaper, bigger, better. Most my friends used monitors before they came to visit and saw how it looks on my TV, now most use TVs too.
@@charleswidmore5458 Had an LG, Philips and Samsung TVs, LG and Samsung are great, the Philips one has nice picture but was crap for gaming. I got a Samsung 7100 right now and very happy with it, got a Led sealing lamp so my room is pretty bright and I still had to lower the brightness on the TV and HDR. My friend got LG C1 and oh boy it looks amazing, didn't see the TVs side by side but from memory I could tell his looked a little better but it's mostly the many options in the menu that I don't have on the cheap Samsung, way more settings and fine tuning can be done on the LG and I do prefer the 48" screen but only if you're sitting at least 1 meter away, for me it's 1.3 meter away in the chair and 4 meters from the bed.
@@Roman00744 Thanks for the suggestions. I will start looking for an lg as top choice and samsung for second. My monitor is about 3 feet back on the desk so I may have to go slightly smaller than 43'' on the size.
@@charleswidmore5458 Smaller size TVs are only 1080p so I wouldn't suggest going under 43", 3 feet is almost 1 meter so IMO far enough + you can wall mount. I suggest look for a cheap 300-400$ LCD Samsung or LG doesn't matter or go for Oled, don't buy the in-between series costing 500-600$, the new 43" Oleds are still expensive 1000$+ so I would buy the 300$ LCD now and wait for the Oled to get under 800$, that's my plan anyway.
I think a draw for AMD here is the used market for motherboards. The back catalog of boards that support the 5600X is huge while the 12700k only has a few motherboards that support it. If you're willing to go used on the board you have a lot of options. eBay has many B350's for 40-50 dollars, and I've personally been struggling to sell an X470 on FB Marketplace for 75. For upgrade paths, Steve is right about how it might not be worth it to upgrade to a 13th gen. Plus you'll still be on DDR4. I should disclose that I invest in AMD though
Your friend at Adored TV had a few things to say about Intel. Very slimy things that that went on for many years and almost resulted in an Intel monopoly. For those reasons and more I will be supporting AMD for the foreseeable future. Is it fanboyism to do your part to prevent a monopoly?
I have a 12700k running on an MSI Z690 Carbon WiFi cooled with a $45 ID-Cooling Tower cooler. and it never got above 83C running Cinebench R23 for 30 minutes. No fancy $100 cooler or $200 AIO needed here.
In my country I can get Ryzen 7 5700X for 195 dollars and core i7 12700F for 370 dollar. Its like 50% more for intel. Also my current system uses a b350 mobo so yeah upgrading from 3500x to 5700X and I basically didn’t need to change anything just the cpu and bios update. Also my motherboard is a very cheap asrock ab350m hdv (bought for 70$ in 2018). So yeah am4 5000 series is the best in terms of value.
WTF? I bought my i7-12700K for 330 dollars a long time ago, now it's sub 300 dollars. 370 dollars for the F version is scalper pricing. I guess, because the 12700 series are unique by the 8+4 config.
@@saricubra2867 intel aint worth it in mid range in general. For gaming currently Ryzen 5 7600 is best at the budget. Also for those who dont want to pay ddr5 insane prices. Ryzen 7 5800X 3D still great.
Steve, whatabout a vid, especialy for R5 3600 owners ( probably the most sold and still actuall AMD CPU ) in a sence: What to do ? Upgrade or not upgrade and if, to "what" ( 5700X, 5800X 3D or 5900X / 5950X ), all on this old MB. And you can go further: do you have R5 3600 ( most popular CPU ) & GTX 1060 GPU ( most popular GPU acording to stats on Steam ), - upgrade to RX6600 ( if GPU only and I used 6600 especialy cause of the price/performance value ), or to 5800X 3D + lets say RX 6900 XT ( cause under MSRP prices ), all on this old MB. Cause there are many ppl that consider changing MB as too big of a problem, and there will be AM5 platform in 3-4 months. Big thank you.
@@adriankoch964 bro, for me everytrhing is crystal clear - I will stay with my 3600 for next 1+ year atleast, cause for my "workload" its more than enough. It was just an proposal for Steve to make a separate vid for many other R5 3600 owners.
I'm not quite in a hurry because my x470/2700x is bottlenecked by a 1440p/75hz monitor. Once I upgrade the monitor, the CPU would rather follow with a 5900x especially if price drops with AM5.
Why does it say "unlocked" on the Intel box if it's not? I know you can OC it with the BCLK, but that feature isn't present on every board. It Intel refer to performance it's kind of strange as the term "unleashed" would have fitted way better imo. Subbed to your new channel! Great new intro as well! 😏
would love to see power consumption and efficiency when running each game or benchmark. Overall great and informative review and i believe intel 12th gen is the way to go especially when ddr5 is on the rise
You made the point about performance parity between the B350 and the latest X570 motherboards but I heard no such point about Intel (B660 vs Z690). Did I miss it? I wonder how much performance would have dropped on a B660 motherboard? Well done for using DDR4 RAM on both; I think you should have highlighted that aspect because it was a blink-and-you-miss-it reference and DDR5 RAM is still very costly.
In my country too. Intel is more expensive. Its 100 euro worth of difference when it comes to price but performance is same when you look at it. Seeing how I already have AM4 motherboard (had 2700x) it was no brainer. Also, I don't know how anyone can support Inter right now. Ryzen has better value by far.
I got my 5700x for $299 at centercom but have troubles getting my system working after swapping out a Ryzen 5 5600. I'm getting a windows stop message 0xc000021a message blue screen. I only did a straight cpu swap on a system that was already running a ryzen 5 5600 on a gigabyte b550m motherboard
Can you please do another vid with the 5700 tuned and 3600 cl14 memory, the rest the same, got a feeling the result will be very different and so will your recommendation. Not AMD fan boy, got a 9900k and very happy with it. Undervolted it and OCed a little, will last a few more years.
Why would Steve take the time to do this? It will not change the fact that the 5700x is a slower CPU overall for gaming. Most Ryzen users do not bother to tune the CPU or extract the most out of the memory. I understand it would be interesting, but it will not change anything. All that being said, I can't wait to put a 5700x in my Tomahawk B350, still sporting a 1600 stock and this will be a massive upgrade for me.
As I don’t game, the gaming experience is irrelevant to me. As a business owner, eventually replacing all the 1600 af processors on the secondary editing rigs will be a major expense. As we have numerous AM4 motherboards, intel isn’t even in the running. The primary rigs are mostly 3700xes, as that was the most bang for the buck when we bought the rest of the systems. We won’t be replacing those processors as the 5000 series doesn’t offer any advantages to productivity. Even replacing the 1600 af systems is iffy, as they run unattended and having more cheap systems is actually more economical than a few expensive ones. We bought the 1600 afs for $85 off @mazon and built around B450 motherboards. Newer systems aren’t economically sound and gpus are still too expensive. We are still using the 5700xt video cards in the 1600s because they work. Until gpus drop below the inflated MSRP, they aren’t competitive with the parts we already have on hand. Upgrades can wait for new systems built when we expand.
4:12 - How the heck is my R9 3900XT and RX 6700XT matching a R7 5700X and RX 6950XT at 1080p High on fps average in CP2077? Mine averaged 115fps with 1% lows of 79fps after my 20-minute run in CP2077. 🤔
Perhaps because you have 50% more cores? I'm assuming that might help in a game like CP2077. That and it still seems a buggy game, but I'm only going by videos from players.
@@davidandrew6855 More cores help in certain CPU-intensive games but still the Ryzen 5000 series processors are much faster than the Ryzen 3000 series processors. So I figured even though the R7 5700X has less cores it would still smoke the R9 3900XT in the CP2077 test. I'm not complaining though considering it gives me reason to still keep this CPU until maybe a R9 5900X3D chip if it ever gets made?
I'd love of you also talk about energy consumption. In germany for example the price ler kWh is over 40 cents right now, so over the life span of a cpu that makes a difference. If you really wanted to go in depth also check undervoltability
If you struggling to pay the electricity bill of even simple computer, perhaps its time to consider that you are a so poor that you are almost homeless and buying a gaming pc should be the least of your prioritize. If you can't afford the electricity of a computer than you can't afford the electricity bill of a fridge.
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior If we say use the pc for a moderate 3h a day for 180 days and it uses about 300w, at a price of 40 cents per kWh that comes to about 65€. That money can be the difference between getting a faster chip at the same consumption or not. Your argument is like saying fuel economy is a non issue in cars
Pretty much called this from the start: Building a new system? Go with Intel. Have AM4? AMD is the way. I still wonder how these would fare under more heavy usage; Gaming while streaming / multiple monitors is a very popular thing nowadays, so I wonder how the AMD/Intel battle would look while multitasking. Do the e-cores help Intel push ahead even while gaming at 1440p on a 6600xt, or is it still a wash? It probably doesn't matter too much, as the conclusion is cut and dry: New system = Intel, Current AM4 = AMD
Thanks for the video, i would go for 12700F because it have 4 more cores and threads compared to 5700X also it cost less in my place compared to 5700X.
I'd rather take 12700F with B660 and DDR4, than 5700X. Especially if the price would be lower... ...if I hadn't already bought quite an expensive AM4 mobo with X570 chipset, PCIe 4.0 etc. Back in 2019. In case someone is puzzled by the thread counts, E-cores don't support Hyper-Threading: * Intel Core i7-12700: 12 cores (8+4) and 20 threads (16+4) * AMD Ryzen 7 5700X: 8 cores (8+0) and 16 threads (16+0).
Pease compare between MSI Optix MAG274QRF-QD and MSI Optix MAG274QRF non QD model. The non QD model is cheaper in price and is there any difference between two.
If I was building a system from scratch, I think I'd only consider the 5700X if to go with it I bagged an example of what have become dirt cheap yet excellent used B450 boards such as the MSI Tomahawk Max/II or Mortar Max, they really are crazy bargains now (I've seen them sell normal auction on ebay for as little as 30 UKP). If one did not wish to consider the used market at all though, then the i7 becomes more appealing, because as you say the overall build difference isn't so much vs. B550, and for some games the performance differences are significant, assuming that is one has a monitor capable of conveying such differences. OTOH, if I was considering an Intel build, I'd need to be certain that for whatever games I liked to play, at whatever particular res & settings, I wasn't spending money I didn't need to vs. just getting a 12600K or any other lesser SKU. But then, one can apply the same argument to considering the 5600/X instead of the 5700X, does the premium for the latter really make sense? The fact though that the 5700X only looks usefully more attractive by considering a used mbd I would say implies that it's priced too high atm. Where I am in the UK, the 5700X costs over 100 UKP more than the 2700X I bought a year or so ago; AMD really have pushed up the pricing tiers. What is interesting is the 5700X's price now approaching where the 5600X was around Sep/2021, which is progress I suppose, but perhaps not enough given the extraordinary performance of the 12400/F or even the 12100/F,
As a non gamer, but dude who deals with graphics all day, strongly applaud the monitors-only new channel. Instantly subscribed, even before watching all the video.
Good video. That AM4 platform has paid dividends over the years, although you are definitely lacking features on the older revisions. I'm already on a good B550 board (those MSI MAG mortar / bazooka boards have generally been great) with 64GB of DDR-4 3600 and a 3900X. Given the price crashes on 5950X CPU's I think i'll just snag one of those and sell on / repurpose my older CPU; that should be a solid place to be for a few years and ride out the kinks in early AM5 especially as DDR-5 is so expensive. Intel need still to make some more movement on motherboard longevity and also especially not paywalling functionality. And before anyone kicks off on how blah blah is better at gaming, that's not my primary use case.
Somebody please explain to me why Intel gets to call 12700 an 8 core CPU... Then turn around and compare it AN ACTUAL 8-core AMD _from last gen_ ... Intel is genius at marketing...
Hey bro so my friend wants a pc for clo3d rendering and photoshop workload. And he wants the pc to last for atleast 5years. He don't want to face any hiccups. I was thinking ryzen would be good because we can use the motherboard for a good long run and swap the cpu to newer one if needed. But as per review i7 is the stronger and will definitely run better in performance. Which one should i go with?
Monitors Unboxed: ua-cam.com/channels/DKLZBNM9XZ7pHPZF9D8xDQ.html
what u can say about z690 usb problems, i found on a reddit tread about that, usb disconnects and reconnects. what about b660 with 12700/f, all fine? pls make a video about that
@@Asquadron1 No issues on any of the boards we've tested and I use two Z690 systems almost daily.
Quick question, will you guys be uploading monitor content on the main channel too?
Can we get a Monitors Unboxed mirror on Odysee? Pretty please
@@zarco5855 go watch the video Tim did on that channel, he pretty much explained that question you ask.
This generation you really can't lose, Zen 3 and Alder Lake are both fantastic.
And it will probably be similar with Zen 4 and Raptor Lake. Competition is always good for us. I have a feeling both the Ryzen 5 7600X and I5 13600K will be so fast that most gamers won't have to worry about bottlenecking their GPUs below RX 7800 XT and RTX 4080 performance levels. Especially at 1440p and above.
@@valentinvas6454 lol, 7600x and 13600K will be so fast that it won't be a bottleneck even for RTX 3090ti .
It will be bottleneck for rtx 4090 but idk that GPU gonna be so expensive.. 2500$ MSRP is expected..
@@damara2268 Bro, even a cheap, slow, entry level i5 12400. cannot bottleneck a 3080ti. And the 12600k is significantly faster than the 12400. So why would a 13600k bottleneck a 4090?
Do you even know what kind of monster intel plans to make out of the 13600K? Its going to make even a current gen i7 12700 look slow.
Good
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior I don’t expect it to be that big of a jump
So nice to have a back and forth battle for top value after so many years of Intel domination. Can't go wrong either way these days.
I've recently upgraded all of my sons' gaming rigs with 5600's and RX 6600 non XT's. The CPU's were $175 (US) and the gpu's from eBay were $225 (US). The performance difference of drop in parts vs what they had ( R5 1600af and RX 580) is amazing.
I'm not anti Intel or Nvidia. The reason they have gaming rigs in the first place was the affordability of the 1600af ($100) and the used 580's ($125) from last crypto bubble plus the known longevity of the am4 socket.
MVP Father 😎
You are a great dead. Your sons are going to have a happy childhood with those new parts you got them. Thank you.
Hopefully you are helping them get a few new games each time there is a sale on steam?
I want a Dad like you, and I'm in my 40s.
As your sons already had AM4 motherboards that was a dead simple choice. And it was the "correct" one. I say this last as it saved you money, gave you the best performance per buck and rewarded a company for providing long term support.
However not every situation is as clear cut. I'm constantly keeping an eye on what's the smart upgrade for a friend who is currently so far behind the curve that it's hilarious. Once he's finally had enough I want to be able to suggest a cheap and reasonably upgradeable solution. At the moment I'm leaning towards a i5 processor on a decent B660 motherboard simply because a few years down it should be possible to pick up a cheap used 12 or 13'th gen processor that more than doubles the performance. And given how slow he is at upgrading that will be quite important.
There's some interesting development here too. If things playout as hopped then there will soon be a decently priced B660 motherboard that's an upgrade to a very good MB, but with BCLK overclocking. Then it will be possible to throw say a i5-12400 on it and OC to 12600 performance (about 33%). That looks like it would be pretty easy as the manufacturer claims a 50% performance boost is "easy" for a 12600, if I remember correctly. At that kind of performance a small price premium for the MB should pay off quite nicely. Now all of this is still speculation at this moment, but it should be nice if it played out.
On the other hand, if he drags his feet much longer then AM5 might be a more interesting platform. It all comes down to performance for the money and what the possible upgrade path looks like in five or ten years...
I had something similar happen with a friend. He only used his desktop for a few things and o e of them was editing short videos of and for family. Intel was the best choice for him as his software utilizes quicksinc.
10:38 instead of useless b-roll, having the numbers broken down on screen would've been nicer.
The 5700x was $198 over the weekend and I will be more than satisfied with the drop in AM4 upgrade for years to come before i get that itch for the new platform once it has matured. Im coming from a 3600x that costed me $215 in 2020 so im getting more performance and more cores for cheaper! Shoutout AM4’s longevity 🙏
5700x is 250 in norway and the 12700(non-f) is 400. such a nobrainer
@@celzolsen8988 Exactly! And if you already have an Am4 board then its a simple drop in upgrade. Im satisfied with the performance of the 5700x so far
I'm on this exact same scenario except I have a 3600 bought in 2020, now looking at 5700x which is sub $200 right now
@@ashar1783 I think the 5700x is a worthy upgrade over the 3600. Pulls the same power as the 3600 but 8 cores and faster cores. Gives you some headroom if you upgrade your gpu! I have it paired with a 3080 at 1440p and its buttery smooth and I get less frames drops and faster frames than my 3600x
@@ashar1783 Also, if you play at 1080p high refresh rate, you will notice a difference going to the 5700x. 5000 series cpus overall have a solid IPC uplift over 3000 series and will get your average frames up a good bit, even if you went with a 5600x, the difference will be noticeable. And the less frame drops will be the biggest upgrade that's noticeable to the average gamer
AMD fan here (non-frothing). 5700x is the best choice for me, as I have an AM4 board. I also recognise that in some places, an Intel machine will be better value. And I happen to like Intel being so close in performance, it stops AMD doing what they've done in the past, and winding up the prices. Competition is good for everyone, mkay?
Yes, AMD is the one that tried to push 4c/4t CPUS for 1k for years... 🤣
Best content creators in the reviews space. Love tim’s new monitors unboxed channel!
Sounds like someone doesn't watch GN.
@Svn especially when it comes to production workloads. Hardware Unboxed usually only does games and Cinebench.
I feel like if you are buying a new system I would go with Intel because of the newer platform (PCIe 5.0, DDR5, etc.) and you still have a upgrade path to Raptor Lake. But as Steve said, if you already own a AM4 board, Zen 3 is the obvious choice.
Can confirm 12700k absolute monster and laughs at my workload
Of course
So buy Alder Lake now and 6 months later buy Raptor lake ? Yeah, very good upgrade path. A short path. Imagine buying a CPU after 6 months of building a system with Alder Lake. Only inteldolts would do such thing.
11 likes wow. 11 people believe upgrading from Alder lake to Raptor lake in 6 months is a good idea.
Imagine buying Alder Lake now, selling it after 5 months, then buy Raptor lake 1 month later. Best upgrade you can do.
@@steamstories1279 You can just buy 12th gen and then wait 2 years to buy 13th gen seems pretty obvious to me
@@Sonyoucef no one do that, u buy 12th gen, u stick with it for as many years than u upgrade to whole new system
Even though I am broke, I like to watch AMD vs Intel vs Nvidia battles just like watching a football match which I can't play. 😁
Getting a job or education will fix that. Being a whiner on youtube does.. NOTHING!
Watch how the current gen compete with each other and meanwhile you're using a 10 year old CPU.
@@JamesSmith-sw3nk I agree. I lived in a bad and poor 3rd world country and even I still managed to buy a gaming pc from just washing cars, mowing people's yards, driving taxis, etc.
You can even go to IT companies or hospitals or schools or businesses and see if they can't sell you their old computer parts for a low price. Companies are always upgrading their systems every 5-10 years and they donate or dump their old equipment. So asking them for parts could get you something decent.
And whatever you can't find as a used part, just go to all of your regular IT stores and compared prices.
When living in the US, there is even less of an excuse. Even little kids can arrange for an i5 and rtx 3060.
@@JamesSmith-sw3nk Naah I have a 9 to 5 job. But even after that the PC components are damn costly in India where I live. Don't think that all of Hardwareunboxed viewers live in the First world.
Another thing to consider is that u can buy used b350/b450 for cheap, which u kinda cant in case of intel's 12th gen.
Nice video as always :) I know it's extra work, but including a lower end GPU along with the high end one keeps things real and is valuable information beyond the maximum performance you can get out of a CPU with what's available.
Awesome news about seperate channel for monitors. I'm excited to make it a permanent addition to my life 😆
Loved the 6600XT showing, if you go with a mid tier GPU - the CPU really doesn’t have much impact on overall performance.
What do u mean? I think 6600XT got the bottleneck, although i don't know if it's a bad thing or not...
most people upgrade CPU less often than GPU - so what's not relevant now may be relevant with next GPU
Wait until next gen hits. Many CPUs will be crying!
@@gummi4977 he means that it's important to show people that GPU is usually the limiting factor, not CPU.
Agree if you use mid tier gpu cpu does not really make much difference unless you play esport games or very cpu intensive games like teardown , cities skylines, flight sim such msfs and xplane etc
As a b350 owner who grabbed a 5700x boi, I appreciate this.
Its a ridiculously good upgrade path. Mobo VRMs handle it perfectly
Im excited for mine coming in the mail! Im coming from a 3600x and while it was a great lil cpu for the past two years paired with a 2060, its getting a lil slow in newer games since I upgraded to a 3080. I dont want to bottleneck it for too long!
@@Bdot888 3600x was probably fine, especially if youre playing at anything above 1080p (which given that you have a 3080 I'd have to assume you do). In which case you'll barely, barely notice a difference in gaming
but whatever, milk that AM4 socket for all its worth, I say.
@@Dilo22 yeah most def still enjoyable experience at 1440p with my 3600x. But my %1 lows would def do better with the 5700x and this would satisfy me for years until I get that itch to upgrade to the next gen platforms when the time is right. The AM4 socket is great and I am glad I went that route 2 years ago and can just easily plop in a new cpu. The 5700x was $198 for black friday so I knew i had to jump on it. Cheers to AM4!
I really appreciate you including ACC in these benchmarks. Really hard to find it anywhere else.
Always a fair review. Great points made for both options! Just straight forward reporting! Great job Steve!
I can see both sides, neither are giving you a guaranteed 5-year lifespan socket. I do suppose if you later want a 12+ core cpu, they might simply be easier to find 2nd hand on the Ryzen side due to them being out for longer.
? AM4 platform about reached 5 years of relevance. You can put a 5800X3D on a first-gen board.
@@Aggrofool if you buy a 5800x now, however, you're buying into a dead end platform other than 5900x and up - pretty sure thats what the original commenter was talking about
@@zn12_7 Same may apply if you buy a current Intel DDR4, as from what I have heard 13000 will only have DDR5 support
@@shaneeslick iirc that's a myth, but they still may need a seperate socket; my point applies to Intel and AMD
if you can wait 6 months it makes more sense to wait for AM5 so you have upgrade options in the future.
if you have an AM4 board, upgrade the CPU
if you need to buy now, go with the 12600 or 12700 depending on how much multithread performance you need
I recently upgraded to a 5700x from my 2600. It's such an easy to recommend upgrade for any mid to low end AM4 system from previous generations, especially with apps like HYDRA making it so easy to get 5800x performance. I wouldn't call it a great upgrade for 3900x users lol. Intel is currently the better option for a new build if you can fork out the cash for DDR5 etc, but it's still hard to argue against the value the AM4 platform offers. Hopefully, AMD can do it again with AM5. I highly doubt Intel will ever offer similar platform support, we can but hope though.
I'm thinking of getting 5700x/5800x (I don't think B450 can handle 5900x) once they are below $200 let's say in 2025 hahaha
@@ImKarl... ignoring pricing, Performance is relative to need, Outside Use Case its arbitrary. And Need is confused with Want, and people want and feel instantly entitled to everything, Nothing is Ever Enough even 5 seconds after its released
@@ImKarl surprisingly the 5700x dropped to $198 over the weekend so i had to scoop it up before it shot back up to $225
The 5800X is only 10 Euro more expensive so the 5700X makes no sense in central Europe. Is that different in other markets?
It's the same price here in Taiwan lol
Currently in Canada the 5800x is 600$ and the 5700x 349$ (cad)
5800x was just 299bucks in USA on promo
Just buy used, it will be way cheaper. I recently scored a 5900X for $290.
@@Grgxr you can always undervolt for lower temp and power consumption
I upgraded to the 5700x from the 3600 and couldn't be happier as i have the msi b550 tomahawk. I also purchased the rtx 3070 which has dropped to a third of the priceof what it was.
I have 3600 and 2070super. I play at 1080p. So i am thinking to upgrade to 5600x now and a 4060 next year. Will that be ok for 1080p ??
More than okay
@@_Azur So I don't need 5700x right. All these 8cores will be a nessecity in 2yrs is just a hoax
@@lkline000 I think it was HUB that did a big test of 6 vs 8 cores on zen3 and I think two out of 40 games saw a performance improvement, though the 6 core CPU was still perfectly fine in those two. Unless you're using CPU cores for other things while gaming(does discord count? that seems CPU heavy for some reason) the 5600 will probably last for quite a while. Considering you seem to upgrade pretty regularly I would get the 5600 because by the time the 5700X would be significantly better you will probably get something else anyways.
@@odizzido thing is; they dont account for background tasks that we all use while gaming or the mayority. There the 8 cores help to not lose Performance
Intel did very good job balancing the prices of CPUs and motherboards. Pure marketing making the chips looking really competitive price-wise, but compensating the lower price with overpriced boards
Woahhh
when i build my rig and rigs for friends the amd chips where cheaper but amd boards where way more expensive to even get the features you get on a intel board. the same mpg gaming was 50 bucks more as for my intel build and still lacked features and had a worse vrm setup.
I've always bought open boxed motherboards or Frankenstein new and used to get around that
@@tuckerhiggins4336 Yeah i dont truste people. i ahve a policy about buying and selling second hand. i dont want to deal with people at all. people cant be trusted. the last 4 times i bought something second hand i got shafter too so no more. and if you sell something they manage to break it and blame. No thx. instead if give away old parts to people needing it more then i do.
Amd comes out cheaper due to the maturity of the platform. Even if the 5800x is 300 you can get a board that works with it much cheaper than say a 12700f and most of the time you wont be able to tell the difference in gaming. I got my x570 tuf off amazon warehouse for about 65 bucks came brand new.
It's fairly well understood that an AM4 processor will perform fairly similarly in any AM4 motherboard and so the B350 testbed used in this comparison won't make much difference to final thoughts, excuse accepted.
However, using a Z690 for testing and B660 for price comparisons in final thoughts, we don't have the same understanding that a 12700F will perform similarly on both platforms particularly given Intel's history of platform variance between chipsets. This comparison should have been done with one of the price comparison boards to ensure no suprise variable rears its head in the price comparable build suggested in final thoughts.
With intel's PL1, and PL2 states all over the place depending on the motherboard used, you can't guarantee that any B660 board will perform similar to any other B660 board due to the inconsistency of the out of the box bios defaults or if these states are tuneable to the same degree on all motherboards that could be considered for the final thoughts build.
B350 is definitely a lowest common denominator platform for stock performance comparison.
The question is what constitutes the lowest common denominator for 12th gen intel given the need to cherry pick the motherboard for PL2 behaviour characteristics with a competent VRM to sustain that.
I gave pricing of specific Intel boards that we know work well.
I was coming from an Intel build using a 6600K. I just built a completely new system at the end of April and went 5700X. For me, it came down to two considerations, with one of those ultimately being the one that pushed me in the direction of AMD. The first issue is the Windows 11 scheduler and Alder Lake E cores. I don't like Windows 11, so the E cores would likely be disabled and would lose some amount of performance while I'm still using Windows 10. That alone wasn't enough to dissuade me. I considered going 12600 to avoid E cores, or even disabling E cores on an 8 core CPU. The main reason I went AMD was due to Intel's socket issues with Alder Lake. Gamers Nexus put up a video within the last two days talking about this. I know Intel runs hot and is less efficient when things are working well, and apparently things aren't that well with Intel's new socket and ILM. There are apparently issues with the chips (or maybe just the IHS) bending, and some issues with heat transfer to the cooler. I was further deterred by Intel trying to downplay the issue.
2 bad arguments thus. The 12700f is just as efficient as the 5700x. Alder Lake works fine on win 10.
As a 5800x owner I have to say the Intel thermal issues are a bit overblown. At least those chips can be cooled and have solid overclocking headroom. Ryzen processors on the other hand are nearly impossible to cool above a certain point due to thermal density constraints. As well as AGESA. Don't even get me started on that shit show
False. intel does not run all that hot. yes temps can be improved but the same is a fact for AMD due to the off center cores in the design. Both have a 5-7 degree difference. Heck you get another 5-7 degrees but delidding and using liquid metal and direct die cooling adds another 5 degrees. yes you can get 15 degrees better but its irrelevant. the heaty output to the room will remain tthe same. Only the transport is more efficient. And seeing your willing to disable E cores you are a gamer and dont do professional or hobvby work on it. this means intel runs COOLER as amd and uses LESS power then a AMD build. There is so much misinformation. keck in cinebench a 12700k is more efficient as a 5800/5900x because it is done sooner. yes it spikes higher but for shorter. And downplayijng it doesnt mean they are wrong.
Remember the 9900k? super thick die and oh it was getting so hot... wel i own one and they ran hot for 2 reason. 1 is the thick die (but the headspreadder is thinner as AMD and B motherboard for this gen SUCK my board forcefeeds it 1.39v while it only needs 1.22v. that shaves off litterally 20 degrees. (i went with it because i got a free board for it so that shaved over 250 bucks off the system price and 3xxx wasnt outy and frankly in my adcabntage worse for gaming).
Again a lot of misinformation and its irrelevant. buy whats best not what the hype numbers tell you.
oh and 1 more thing. intel systems run cooler idle as they draw a lot less power idle and that makes even even more efficient if your the kindof person that runs the pc all day on low intensity tasks.
Who said Alder Lake doesn't work on Win 10? I was ambiguous when I said E cores would be disabled. That should be clarified by saying I considered going with 12th gen and manually disabling the E cores myself due to lacking the Win 11 scheduler. I also considered 10th and 11th gen Intel since those perform reasonably well and have a more traditional architecture, but they run hot imo. The deciding factor for me is still the socket issue with Alder Lake. Maybe it's fine, but I wasn't willing to risk it.
I have a 12700f with an Asus TUF H670 and i don't have any issues using Windows 10.
The heat transfer is not a problem at all, specially not during gaming. In fact AMD has much bigger problems with the heat transfer because of the chiplet design.
The socket problems you mentioned are non existant, its just a short term cash grab media sensation. If you don't remount the CPU every month, you'll never have a problem with it.
Not a fanboy of either but the minimum lows difference was brutal on the higher end AMD card. And for me, minimum lows are far more important than average framerate as it determines the smoothness of the gaming experience on the whole. As I don't own a Ryzen board, I think the 12700K is the right choice.
You're talking about ~$390 vs $450, could be the difference to upgrade the GPU. Personally would go 5600X/12400 instead and upgrade the GPU.
If 1% lows is everything then the 5800X3D is the answer. Only $40 more than a 12700K but faster than a 12900K which has been paired with a seriously expensive DDR5 6400 kit. You need a 12900KS, DDR5 6400 kit *and* a top shelf 360mm AIO cooler to exceed it... which combined costs a high end GPU...
@@andersjjensen if you are starting from scratch though AM4 isn't the way to go. I say this having a 5800x3d in my system.
@@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418 Honestly it doesn't matter. LGA1700 is as dead as AM4. Raptor Lake is already confirmed to not support DDR4, and if you're already targeting a 12900K(S) with DDR5 6400 CL32 the ~15% uplift of Raptor Lake is meaningless.... So as always with Intel, every platform is DOA, and should thus not be part of the consideration.
@@andersjjensen clearly it does matter. People want to have an upgrade path. A new AM4 system doesn't offer that. Why on earth would you build a brand new system on DDR4.....I mean that would be an unacceptable level of stupid.
5800X is cheaper than the 5700X in my country right now :') (France)
wow just checked and here the 5700x is a whole 3 euro cheaper than a 5800x. NL.
5700X DOA, too little too late.
Thank you Steve/Hardware Unboxed! I just recently "upgraded" to a 5700x and RTX 3070 GPU, from a 3700x, and 2060 Super GPU. My motherboard is a MSI B450 Pro Gaming Carbon AC, with the latest BIOS (also 16GB 3,600mhz Ram, CL18). My conclusion is that, yes, an Intel system would probably yield some higher FPS in certain games at certain times, as well as productivity in certain manners. As having an AMD system for years now, I can't really imagine selling my AMD system and buying Intel CPU and motherboard (at somewhat of a premium) just to have higher performance at probably 14-18% overall. If anything I would upgrade from the 5700x to the 5800x3D, but waiting until that price comes down...and also considering upgrading the cooling solution for the CPU, with the higher TDP. ANYWAY, just my 2 cents. Love my 5700x, but I acknowledge the 12700F as a very decent chip as well.
Correction, the i7 will not yield high fps in "certain" games only. It will yield higher fps in MOST games. But everything else you said is correct.
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior Understood. Overall, I just wanted to say personally that I am enjoying my gaming experience with the 5700x at 1440p...very smooth, stutter-free gameplay at high and ultra settings. There is higher FPS to be gleaned on other platforms/builds...AMD and Intel alike. Acknowledged. For instance, if I had a 3080TI or 3090! 😉 But just saying, I very much like what I have now for the price and what I do with my computer.
I was thinking the same thing. If I'm going to pay a premium for higher FPS then I may as well get the 5800X3D. Especially since I'm on a 4K screen.
i use 3600 with 2070 super. i was thinking to upgrade the cpu to 5600x now and a 4060 next year. i play at 1080p so i am a little confused regarding 5600x and 5700x. also what are their ddiff in power draw and temps
@@lkline000 5600, 5600x and 5700x are all 65w cpus. 5700x having 2 more cores, temps would be a bit higher in certain scenarios. However, if you are not overclocking, it won't need an expensive cooler. In fact, 5700x power consumption is exactly like 5600 and 5600x because clocks are a lot relaxed, compared to the first released 8 core 5800x. Price should be the deciding factor.
We really are back in the realm of when Intel released the Core2Duo series. It is a great time to see any decision on AMD vs Intel being basically never a losing proposition.
FX had that roll before e6600 from Intel, socket 939 was the beast for AMD back then and Nvidia even made chipsets for AMD boards , Core2 was all that saved Intel
@@kravenfoxbodies2479 I remember just how many they made too. It was included in every single one of the school Dell prebuilts they bought in 2008. it was nuts.
@@MarcABrown-tt1fp Thanks to Intel bribing OEMs to only include their products even when AMD could give the same or better performance.
@@VanillaWahlberg God if I only knew then... I remember my childhood dream of wanting to know how it works, being crushed by the fact the consumer computer industry was corrupted by intel, so many competitors lost.
Sadly the dual X86 company isn't to be topped due to licensing of X86-64 being split between the two.
People forget that 5000 series was against Intel 11000. Alder lakes matchup is against 7000 series.
Here the 12700F goes for the same price as a 5800X and the 12600KF is the same price as the 5700X. Though, the results will probably be the pretty much the same. Right now the only AMD CPU I'd recommend for gaming only is the 5800X3D, but those are still impossible to get at non-scalped prices.
@Garrus Vakarian 🤣
@Garrus Vakarian you're in the middle of some calibrations, I see.
Thinking of 5700x... advantage... already own several MBs that will work...
That goatee is worth millions. Both intel and Amd will go bankrupt solely due to respect. Hats off to you my friend
In my country the 5700X costs ~700kn less then the 12700F. That's more than 100$ cheaper. I can buy a motherboard for the price difference. But let's put pricing aside which may vary. You didn't tackle the stock CPU cooler performance, do both CPUs stay cool enough in an average case with not much airflow during video encoding? I'm worried about the 180W max turbo TDP of the 12700F.
The 12700 wrecks in productivity and can easily be cooled...you can find that info from this very channel
@@samgoff5289 well i went to look for it, and no, it cannot be easily cooled, the 12700F in cinebench on intel cooler is a no go. It requires a better cooler or a case with good airflow. In gaming it can be cooled ok but in all core workloads I would risk overheating/throttling. The 12400F is better in this regard. An alternative would be undervolting perhaps, but too much hassle. I think I will wait for AM5 and RaptorLake and see how it goes from there.
I replaced my aging 2700X with a 5700X a few months ago. I updated my Crosshair x370 board and dropped it in. Massive upgrade for $300. If I was building a new system, I'd go Intel, but if you have an older AM4 system, I say just drop in a new Zen 3 CPU and call it a day.
I was gonna do 2700X (x470) to a 5800x/5900x. But unfortunately my motherboard was dying, along with my CPU, so it made more sense to go Intel since I wanted to replace both.
@@twochambz The 2700x is indeed quite hard on less than Ideal motherboards, I mean it does draw more power than a stock 3950x. Very power leaky.
@@MarcABrown-tt1fp yeah it was definitely hot. It honestly worked flawlessly for 3 years, but about 5 months ago my CPU and mobo started developing gremlins I couldn't get rid of. Eventually it just stopped booting.
Just bought a Ryzen 5800X for £180, MSI B550 Tomahawk £120, RX 6800XT £525 from flea bay, ordered some new Kingston 3600 MHz CL17, 1TB SSD pci-4, AK620 Zero Dark CPU cooler reusing my Define R4 case & Seasonic M12 850W PSU; can’t wait to get a 7900; Go Team Red!!!
Enjoy your new PC.
I just got the 5700X from Amazon for 169 dollars. I'm upgrading from a 5 2600 and a GTX 1080. That was much more cheaper than change my B450 mobo for a new AM5 platform.
Yeah the AM5 platform is crazy in price right now and it should come down later on. But yeah I'm also on a similar cpu to 2600 and will get a 5700x as well along with upgrading my 1070 to a AMD gpu with 12/16Gb VRAM later on.
Didn't 6600xt perform a bit weaker in a pcie 3.0? (b350)
Good point, I think it's slight not like the 6400/6500 gpus!
got the 5700x for $50 less than MSRP the week it came out. Coming from the 3600 and couldn't be happier!
"Meanwhile for the Core i7 [...] we need a brand new motherboard [...] for 260 bucks" 2:38 ... Haha, that's why I am only looking for AMD Ryzen for like 5 years!
The best upgrade route these days seems to be like buying a used Ryzen PC with some 1st or 2nd gen CPU (1600 AF, 2600, 2700X) and then upgrade to used Ryzen 3rd or 5th gen if a newer graphics card needs more performance. But even a Ryzen 2600 paired with a RX 5700Xt or RX 6600 does a great job for very little bang for the buck!
I'd rather would invest the money in a 2TB nVme SSD with at least 3000 MB/s read, a VR Headset like the Quest or newer or a better RTX 3060 12 GB for trying out Raytracing!
These days it's good to be a PC gamer!
Greetings from Berlin und auf Wiedersehen!
p.s. But first I'm watching your video further ... of course! ;o)
Good breakdown and if on AM4 and upgrading then the 5700X is the way to go...But if building new, the 12700F is just great across the board especially when you throw in semi pro and pro workloads.
If you go for a new system, you either wait for AM5 or you still go with AM4 and a 5800X3D.
@@Traumatree disagree. The 5800x3d has no use case, its more unstable than other skus and alder lake offers good alternatives. Best product value wise rn either 5600 or 12400
@@Traumatree if your only gaming yeah 5800x3d is great but its slower than 5800x in multi core which allready looses to 12600k, while having no upgrade path when u can get raptor lake on lga 1700 but yeah am5 hype
@@TileBitan It has outstanding performance in Factorio, DF and Stellaris(and probably other Clausewitz based games), leading the 12900kf by a large margin. If you mostly play any of those or any other games that benefits greatly from the cache, the 5800X3D is an obvious choice.
@@diggertheminer Well, we're talking about gaming performance here, aren't we? If you want to do everything great, you go with the 5950X, or you can wait for AM5. There no reason to be stuck with yet another Intel chipset that will need yet another motherboard with Intel's next cpu.
I got a 5700x yesterday. It was so easy to install. I got mine for $275 AUD (Approx $180 usd).
I love the amount of work you put into making thede comparisons. It makes cross referencing much easier and helps making a choice on an informed basis, unless you get opportunity-paralyzed like me... I ended up hunting for a good combo deal as the price differences otherwise were too small for me to just go something.
Just wanted to say, those B-Rolls on the video were SUPERB, just noticed it. Great production
If you already have an am4 motherboard and are not planning for the best go the 5700x or a 5800x3d if it is only for gaming (but wait the am5 processors are available and wait the price reductions)
The 5900X is only 27€ more than the 12700F in my area right now. So combined with a B550 it's still a bit cheaper than 12700F+B660.
"Best Value for Gamers" is still 5600X+B550 though.
You mean the 12400f+B650 since its around the same price with better upgrade paths and slightly faster
@@Angel7black Nope, I mean the 5600X+B550 since it's cheaper and offers the same performance.
Steve, Newegg in the States is selling the Ryzen 7 5700x for $199 and you get the game Uncharted for free also.
I switched from a R5 2600 to a R7 5700X and I'm very happy with it.
Thanks Steve for the review & all best with the new channel.
I'm not sure the argument for a new build picking the intel option stacks up. I say this because as these cpus are much the same in the mid range gaming category then a new build with intel will get you one generation of cpu for the additional cost of 150-200 USD now. But if you buy the cheaper AMD option and then change the mobo and cpu for the next gen then as AMD have shown they will support multiple updates on the socket, you get longer lifespan and value. Thus if you want a new build and you're in mid range then getting the cheper AMD option now and upgarding in the future seems to make more sense (especially if psu and cooling on this system will still work on more power efficient systems) rather than paying 2 to 3 times for a whole new intel mobo + cpu. That's my thinking. It all hinges on AMD staying true to longer term support and intel following their historical ways.
Just a thought, when you talk about prices, it would be nice to see some numbers pop off in your Vids. Love your content :)
Thank you so much for this, it definitely earned my subscription. I’m currently planning out a partial build for one of my friends (they bought a prebuilt with proprietary parts with a 9700K, 2070S; I should have known better when advising them) and I’ve been on the fence when it comes to budgeting a new mobo, CPU, memory, etc. for the build given cost effectiveness (they’re likely to keep the 2070S for another gen), and it seems that Intel might be the way to go with an upgrade path for Raptor Lake, assuming it supports DDR4. I might just buy a lower end 12th gen CPU for them and help get them the 13700 when it comes out in the future.
I think it's great to see Intel finally making good CPUs again. Competition between the two giants is what helps keep the market fresh, and gives us system builders a choice in the end. Not sure if AMD is going to stick to the same upgrade path scenario with AM5, but I really hope they do. Even if their CPUs don't keep up with Intel, they can still be the budget-friendly option when it comes to offering an upgrade path, and can even go back to the price-performance ratio while still offering an overall solid option.
TBH, their 14nm process was pretty impressive 😆 it remained somewhat relevant for the most part with only 11th gen being a pretty hard miss (performance going backwards).
5700x with pbo2 undervolt or r7 5800x3d? gaming only
X3D is superior in gaming obviously
It depends on the deal you got for both and what price you are ready to pay
Great comparison.
BTW Your audio sounds kind of echo'ee.
I ended up getting a 12700f and z690 for 450 CAD. Thanks to Amazon prime day. Z690 was cheaper than the cheapest b660 lol. Now I'm sure I won't be bottlenecked by the cpu on my current 3070ti and possibly in the next few years when I upgrade to 4xxx 5xxx
if i want to build new PC with AM4 , i would rather spend more and get 5800X3D for pure gaming or 5900X or even 5950X for longevity. May be AMD decide to do something with AM4 since DDR5 is expensive and not sable yet . who knows . Other than that i hate to admit it but i do agree getting intel 12th gen cpu is the better option . Anyway great content . 👍
I'm reading a 5900X3D is in the works.
watching the interview betwen AMD and Forbes, AMD said they still supoprt AMD AM4 for next few years (maybe like 1-2/3 years in my opinion), so for new build to Ryzen AM4 still more better than Intel Alder Lake. maybe they will launch 5700x3d or 5900x3d? who knows. what i love is They still support AM4 even they launching AM5.
I just ordered the R 7 5700x from Amazon for $199.99 dollars. Back order. Expecting deliver Nov 8.
I play at 1440p and just bought the 5800x right before the 5700x came out. Would much rather have gotten the 5700x just for lower power and temperatures. I could leave 1% performance out there since 1440p the difference is negligible
5800x would probably run cooler than 5700x
5700x: TDP - 65W
12700F: TDP - 180W?
Where is the 5700x overclocking?
love that youre using B350s, and with clear recommendations based on fact for actual use in decision making
If I was on amd no question I would go amd, if I was building a new system right now I would go Intel, it's overall better for gaming and any time you choose to run a CPU intensive program Intel will just about always do better right now, the price is easily justified.
yep, im considering upgrading from r5 1600 to r5 5600X for 170 usd, can probably get 50-70usd back for my r5 1600 meaning the upgrade will be around 110 usd which is crazy
spent 200$ more and use a 5800x3d and crush every Intel CPU in Games!
Good idea separating the monitor stuff, I don't care about monitors so always skipped those vids. Never going under 43" for my PC monitor, been using and will keep using TVs for my monitor, cheaper, bigger, better. Most my friends used monitors before they came to visit and saw how it looks on my TV, now most use TVs too.
I have been thinking of trying that. What brand did you find to work best as a tv/monitor?
@@charleswidmore5458 Had an LG, Philips and Samsung TVs, LG and Samsung are great, the Philips one has nice picture but was crap for gaming. I got a Samsung 7100 right now and very happy with it, got a Led sealing lamp so my room is pretty bright and I still had to lower the brightness on the TV and HDR. My friend got LG C1 and oh boy it looks amazing, didn't see the TVs side by side but from memory I could tell his looked a little better but it's mostly the many options in the menu that I don't have on the cheap Samsung, way more settings and fine tuning can be done on the LG and I do prefer the 48" screen but only if you're sitting at least 1 meter away, for me it's 1.3 meter away in the chair and 4 meters from the bed.
@@Roman00744 Thanks for the suggestions. I will start looking for an lg as top choice and samsung for second. My monitor is about 3 feet back on the desk so I may have to go slightly smaller than 43'' on the size.
@@charleswidmore5458 Smaller size TVs are only 1080p so I wouldn't suggest going under 43", 3 feet is almost 1 meter so IMO far enough + you can wall mount.
I suggest look for a cheap 300-400$ LCD Samsung or LG doesn't matter or go for Oled, don't buy the in-between series costing 500-600$, the new 43" Oleds are still expensive 1000$+ so I would buy the 300$ LCD now and wait for the Oled to get under 800$, that's my plan anyway.
I think a draw for AMD here is the used market for motherboards. The back catalog of boards that support the 5600X is huge while the 12700k only has a few motherboards that support it. If you're willing to go used on the board you have a lot of options. eBay has many B350's for 40-50 dollars, and I've personally been struggling to sell an X470 on FB Marketplace for 75.
For upgrade paths, Steve is right about how it might not be worth it to upgrade to a 13th gen. Plus you'll still be on DDR4.
I should disclose that I invest in AMD though
That and personally I have a 2600. So I know what I'd be upgrading to, considering I wouldn't need to buy a motherboard.
Your friend at Adored TV had a few things to say about Intel. Very slimy things that that went on for many years and almost resulted in an Intel monopoly. For those reasons and more I will be supporting AMD for the foreseeable future.
Is it fanboyism to do your part to prevent a monopoly?
I have a 12700k running on an MSI Z690 Carbon WiFi cooled with a $45 ID-Cooling Tower cooler. and it never got above 83C running Cinebench R23 for 30 minutes. No fancy $100 cooler or $200 AIO needed here.
In my country I can get Ryzen 7 5700X for 195 dollars and core i7 12700F for 370 dollar. Its like 50% more for intel. Also my current system uses a b350 mobo so yeah upgrading from 3500x to 5700X and I basically didn’t need to change anything just the cpu and bios update. Also my motherboard is a very cheap asrock ab350m hdv (bought for 70$ in 2018). So yeah am4 5000 series is the best in terms of value.
WTF?
I bought my i7-12700K for 330 dollars a long time ago, now it's sub 300 dollars.
370 dollars for the F version is scalper pricing. I guess, because the 12700 series are unique by the 8+4 config.
@@saricubra2867 intel aint worth it in mid range in general. For gaming currently Ryzen 5 7600 is best at the budget. Also for those who dont want to pay ddr5 insane prices. Ryzen 7 5800X 3D still great.
Steve, whatabout a vid, especialy for R5 3600 owners ( probably the most sold and still actuall AMD CPU ) in a sence: What to do ? Upgrade or not upgrade and if, to "what" ( 5700X, 5800X 3D or 5900X / 5950X ), all on this old MB.
And you can go further: do you have R5 3600 ( most popular CPU ) & GTX 1060 GPU ( most popular GPU acording to stats on Steam ), - upgrade to RX6600 ( if GPU only and I used 6600 especialy cause of the price/performance value ), or to 5800X 3D + lets say RX 6900 XT ( cause under MSRP prices ), all on this old MB. Cause there are many ppl that consider changing MB as too big of a problem, and there will be AM5 platform in 3-4 months. Big thank you.
If you are on a
@@adriankoch964 bro, for me everytrhing is crystal clear - I will stay with my 3600 for next 1+ year atleast, cause for my "workload" its more than enough. It was just an proposal for Steve to make a separate vid for many other R5 3600 owners.
Are the results expected to change if you used an nvidia GPU instead? I don't know how much the resizeable bar affects the AMD CPU with the AMD card
I'm not quite in a hurry because my x470/2700x is bottlenecked by a 1440p/75hz monitor. Once I upgrade the monitor, the CPU would rather follow with a 5900x especially if price drops with AM5.
nice been waiting for this video thank you
I know its mostly just looking at graphs but I do appreciate you guys uploading at 4k
Wonder how these compare when paired with a 6600xt or 3060.
Um, did you watch the video? He used a 6600xt
Both are '700' models.
700/700 = 1
It's a Ti.
But then again, one of them is a X and the other is F... oh no, it's FX all over again! We're getting bulldozed again! IT'S TOO HOTTTTT
@@RomanBellicTaxi FX stands for 'Faster X' so I think this might be what gives Alder Lake the edge.
Just snagged the 5700x for $187 new off of Amazon. Seemed too good to pass up.
Why does it say "unlocked" on the Intel box if it's not? I know you can OC it with the BCLK, but that feature isn't present on every board.
It Intel refer to performance it's kind of strange as the term "unleashed" would have fitted way better imo.
Subbed to your new channel! Great new intro as well! 😏
would love to see power consumption and efficiency when running each game or benchmark. Overall great and informative review and i believe intel 12th gen is the way to go especially when ddr5 is on the rise
You made the point about performance parity between the B350 and the latest X570 motherboards but I heard no such point about Intel (B660 vs Z690). Did I miss it? I wonder how much performance would have dropped on a B660 motherboard? Well done for using DDR4 RAM on both; I think you should have highlighted that aspect because it was a blink-and-you-miss-it reference and DDR5 RAM is still very costly.
As long as the b660 is decent there will be no difference
@@legendW672 Excellent, but I think it should have been said.
got my 5700x a week ago for £160, the 12700f is £100 more at £260.....no brainer.
In my country too. Intel is more expensive. Its 100 euro worth of difference when it comes to price but performance is same when you look at it. Seeing how I already have AM4 motherboard (had 2700x) it was no brainer. Also, I don't know how anyone can support Inter right now. Ryzen has better value by far.
I got my 5700x for $299 at centercom but have troubles getting my system working after swapping out a Ryzen 5 5600. I'm getting a windows stop message 0xc000021a message blue screen. I only did a straight cpu swap on a system that was already running a ryzen 5 5600 on a gigabyte b550m motherboard
update your AMD drivers or bios
Can you please do another vid with the 5700 tuned and 3600 cl14 memory, the rest the same, got a feeling the result will be very different and so will your recommendation.
Not AMD fan boy, got a 9900k and very happy with it. Undervolted it and OCed a little, will last a few more years.
Why would Steve take the time to do this? It will not change the fact that the 5700x is a slower CPU overall for gaming. Most Ryzen users do not bother to tune the CPU or extract the most out of the memory.
I understand it would be interesting, but it will not change anything. All that being said, I can't wait to put a 5700x in my Tomahawk B350, still sporting a 1600 stock and this will be a massive upgrade for me.
In my country there is a difference of 5$c between the ryzen 7 5800x and the 5700x, what should i choose?
Ryzen 7 5700X is down to $199 on Newegg right now. At that price it is hard to turn down.
189$ right now
sorry i dont understand can someone please explain to me why the 6600 xt and 6950 xt have the same fps on 1080p
As I don’t game, the gaming experience is irrelevant to me. As a business owner, eventually replacing all the 1600 af processors on the secondary editing rigs will be a major expense. As we have numerous AM4 motherboards, intel isn’t even in the running. The primary rigs are mostly 3700xes, as that was the most bang for the buck when we bought the rest of the systems. We won’t be replacing those processors as the 5000 series doesn’t offer any advantages to productivity. Even replacing the 1600 af systems is iffy, as they run unattended and having more cheap systems is actually more economical than a few expensive ones. We bought the 1600 afs for $85 off @mazon and built around B450 motherboards. Newer systems aren’t economically sound and gpus are still too expensive. We are still using the 5700xt video cards in the 1600s because they work. Until gpus drop below the inflated MSRP, they aren’t competitive with the parts we already have on hand. Upgrades can wait for new systems built when we expand.
4:12 - How the heck is my R9 3900XT and RX 6700XT matching a R7 5700X and RX 6950XT at 1080p High on fps average in CP2077? Mine averaged 115fps with 1% lows of 79fps after my 20-minute run in CP2077. 🤔
Perhaps because you have 50% more cores? I'm assuming that might help in a game like CP2077. That and it still seems a buggy game, but I'm only going by videos from players.
@@davidandrew6855 More cores help in certain CPU-intensive games but still the Ryzen 5000 series processors are much faster than the Ryzen 3000 series processors. So I figured even though the R7 5700X has less cores it would still smoke the R9 3900XT in the CP2077 test. I'm not complaining though considering it gives me reason to still keep this CPU until maybe a R9 5900X3D chip if it ever gets made?
@@ApexLodestar Yeah, I agree, I was just throwing something out there. You would expect the 5700x to be faster.
With the RYZEN 7 5800X costing 295 euros (10 euros more than the Ryzen 7 5700X) would you recommend it with a B550 motherboard?
Thanks for the Great video, can you please give us more details on how you benchmark ACC ?
I'd love of you also talk about energy consumption. In germany for example the price ler kWh is over 40 cents right now, so over the life span of a cpu that makes a difference. If you really wanted to go in depth also check undervoltability
If you struggling to pay the electricity bill of even simple computer, perhaps its time to consider that you are a so poor that you are almost homeless and buying a gaming pc should be the least of your prioritize.
If you can't afford the electricity of a computer than you can't afford the electricity bill of a fridge.
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior If we say use the pc for a moderate 3h a day for 180 days and it uses about 300w, at a price of 40 cents per kWh that comes to about 65€. That money can be the difference between getting a faster chip at the same consumption or not. Your argument is like saying fuel economy is a non issue in cars
Pretty much called this from the start: Building a new system? Go with Intel. Have AM4? AMD is the way.
I still wonder how these would fare under more heavy usage; Gaming while streaming / multiple monitors is a very popular thing nowadays, so I wonder how the AMD/Intel battle would look while multitasking. Do the e-cores help Intel push ahead even while gaming at 1440p on a 6600xt, or is it still a wash? It probably doesn't matter too much, as the conclusion is cut and dry: New system = Intel, Current AM4 = AMD
Thanks for the video, i would go for 12700F because it have 4 more cores and threads compared to 5700X also it cost less in my place compared to 5700X.
I'd rather take 12700F with B660 and DDR4, than 5700X. Especially if the price would be lower...
...if I hadn't already bought quite an expensive AM4 mobo with X570 chipset, PCIe 4.0 etc. Back in 2019.
In case someone is puzzled by the thread counts, E-cores don't support Hyper-Threading:
* Intel Core i7-12700: 12 cores (8+4) and 20 threads (16+4)
* AMD Ryzen 7 5700X: 8 cores (8+0) and 16 threads (16+0).
I have a Ryzen 5 3600 and a msi B550 gaming plus, should i upgrade to 5700x or go for the 5900x
Pease compare between MSI Optix MAG274QRF-QD and MSI Optix MAG274QRF non QD model. The non QD model is cheaper in price and is there any difference between two.
If I was building a system from scratch, I think I'd only consider the 5700X if to go with it I bagged an example of what have become dirt cheap yet excellent used B450 boards such as the MSI Tomahawk Max/II or Mortar Max, they really are crazy bargains now (I've seen them sell normal auction on ebay for as little as 30 UKP).
If one did not wish to consider the used market at all though, then the i7 becomes more appealing, because as you say the overall build difference isn't so much vs. B550, and for some games the performance differences are significant, assuming that is one has a monitor capable of conveying such differences.
OTOH, if I was considering an Intel build, I'd need to be certain that for whatever games I liked to play, at whatever particular res & settings, I wasn't spending money I didn't need to vs. just getting a 12600K or any other lesser SKU. But then, one can apply the same argument to considering the 5600/X instead of the 5700X, does the premium for the latter really make sense?
The fact though that the 5700X only looks usefully more attractive by considering a used mbd I would say implies that it's priced too high atm. Where I am in the UK, the 5700X costs over 100 UKP more than the 2700X I bought a year or so ago; AMD really have pushed up the pricing tiers.
What is interesting is the 5700X's price now approaching where the 5600X was around Sep/2021, which is progress I suppose, but perhaps not enough given the extraordinary performance of the 12400/F or even the 12100/F,
As a non gamer, but dude who deals with graphics all day, strongly applaud the monitors-only new channel. Instantly subscribed, even before watching all the video.
Good video. That AM4 platform has paid dividends over the years, although you are definitely lacking features on the older revisions. I'm already on a good B550 board (those MSI MAG mortar / bazooka boards have generally been great) with 64GB of DDR-4 3600 and a 3900X. Given the price crashes on 5950X CPU's I think i'll just snag one of those and sell on / repurpose my older CPU; that should be a solid place to be for a few years and ride out the kinks in early AM5 especially as DDR-5 is so expensive. Intel need still to make some more movement on motherboard longevity and also especially not paywalling functionality.
And before anyone kicks off on how blah blah is better at gaming, that's not my primary use case.
The best value 8 core is the 9900k. I know because I own it. $400 AU brand new.. DDR4. 3080TI.. There is literally no need to jump ship.
really? the 12100f 4 core is faster in gaming for $130 or less lol.
@@TheBURBAN111 No it isn't. Lol
@@TheBURBAN111 With a 3080Ti it is the same. Lol
@@ironmaiden5658 how can you say a 300$ cpu is good value when a cheap 4 core is just as good in gaming...
@@TheBURBAN111 a 4 core is not. a 4 core isnt enough for the latest series cards
Somebody please explain to me why Intel gets to call 12700 an 8 core CPU... Then turn around and compare it AN ACTUAL 8-core AMD _from last gen_ ... Intel is genius at marketing...
Because r5000 was the latest at that time
Hey bro so my friend wants a pc for clo3d rendering and photoshop workload. And he wants the pc to last for atleast 5years. He don't want to face any hiccups. I was thinking ryzen would be good because we can use the motherboard for a good long run and swap the cpu to newer one if needed. But as per review i7 is the stronger and will definitely run better in performance.
Which one should i go with?
Great video. Would love to see a head to head between the 12700F vs a 12700k(f) with a modest OC. To see how a locked vs unlocked cpu stack up.