The coolest thing that WOW did was there icon design…forever I will remember those first few quests I did and drag and dropping icons into my bag, and the most vivid vision appeared in my head. These icons are perfect! They really made a great visual representation of things. My Tauren body model also impressed me, loved this game.
These guys had such a good sense of what to do. Their almost perfect taste, understanding and decision making combined to create this amazing game. Was lightning in a bottle will never see its like again.
This was before AAA game sensationalism, before "data mining" was so widespread it ruined any sense of mystery a game had. Additionally, the original WoW designers were veterans of much more hardcore MMOs like EverQuest. Lightning in a bottle indeed.
dont say never, games is still in its baby state. think of the games we will have in 50 years from now. think how tiny portion of time games have existed in its current widespread state.
I would give so much to have that feeling back, when you logged into WoW for the first time and just was in awe of the world and exploring it. Nothing in any game will ever make me feel like I did back then.
@@CrypticElements Yeah for sure! I played a bit of classic but it got old very fast, and I'm glad I did now with how they have seasons and crap. But ye it was a huge nostalgia trip and many feelings. But It's not even close to the magic as the first time you logged in.
0:53 back when MMORPGs were more about the journey than the destination. I get it, wanting to rush to endgame where all the cool stuff is is great and all, but games nowadays are designed to funnel you into that endgame so the leveling experience is a chore
@@m1bl4n I think it was more that back then they got given the green light to make this project, the person backing the project believed in it because they were close to the lead developers behind it and saw their talents in previous products they shipped. When it was greenlit I'm sure the developers weren't thinking "how do we make sure that by the end of this we really please not only our boss but every investor in the company" it was more like "we got the greenlight, we know what we want, we know what will work even if it seems like a risk, we truly believe that this is what the customer is searching for" So lightning in a bottle it just all alligned and so you have this beautiful mix of a commercial product becoming successful and also there's no cynism for failure because they are all together with the same common goal. Today when it comes to these major studios that Blizzard themselves became and sort of guided the industry to follow they are being handled by people who are only in it for the bottom line, they aren't in the entertainment buisness they are constantly making every year go up in profit so when a development team gets to pitch a new idea they have to make sure all these bullet points are mentioned or it just gets shot down. Blizzard themselves had so much trouble originally pitching the game that became Overwatch, they finally had to settle to make a first person online shooter to get the green light.
XD this is so cute man hahahaha "WAIT, IM ALMOST DEAD, DEFENCE? I REMEMBER HAVING SOME DEFENCE SPELL, WAIT, THERE!!! Better now then never!" And even against a caster enemy lmao
Wow. So the whole Opening of Ahn'Qiraj was originally supposed to be used for opening the Dark Portal. Interesting. I guess they also had all of the basic story progression concepts from Vanilla to Wrath planned since the beginning. All the vanilla stuff, the concept of readjourning with Illidan in Outland, and marching into Northrend to take down Arthas. I guess my suspicions were right, then. The story of Warcraft pretty much honorably ended with 3.3.5, and everything from Cataclysm onward was like the proverbial "mediocre second season of the tv show". :p
Yes, making deathwing return was just the classic "Wait, we got a evil dog down in the basement to unleash to have some fun, lets do it!" Old Lore fans were amazed by this but the game play and new features, complete overall, instancing LFG feature advantage really killed it. I remember my best WoW Real life friend class mate quit at the time of cata. mainly because of teenage years and drugs, friends but man.. last thing we did was swimming down at the Vash'jr opening xD
Their class design and focus on gameplay was genius, especially for the time. They truly made each class feel like its own different way of experiencing the game. In no other game with classes did it feel as distinct as in WoW.
@@gandelgerlant565 Right. We have to remember that Activision Blizzard is a small indie company. They're not like some of these multibillion dollar companies out there with a huge player base and who charge for the game plus a monthly subscription fee with merch and an in-game shop. People need to cut them a break.
1:06 This is what modern wow does so wrong for me. It's the polar opposite to what he is saying there. Nobody cares about the gear you get while leveling, or the proffesions. Like you only look at the experience bar wishing you could just skip the entire process. What I loved about old wow is that I never really wanted to level that fast, often because I had gotten a lot of very strong equipment for my level, and that made me feel stronger than others at the same level as me, and I wanted that to last as long as possible. Like the satisfying feeling of being around level 30-40 in stv, having bis gear for your level and just having that advantage in world pvp against other players at around your level, god that was such good times. Like modern wow is just so tunneled towards the end game (which I dont particularly like anyway), which makes it so much less of an mmo compared to the past.
@@ResponsibleBread Class design is far more fun too. There is a LOT to do in the modern game, classic wow (I'm talking about vanilla-wotlk) is incredibly sparse and painstakingly boring in comparison. I would much rather play the challenging version of WoW (Modern wow), than the mundane, relatively easy (but still somewhat fun) classic game. There is a reason the best WoW players play the modern game.
@@Oskarjlee class design in retail every class is a builder-spender. class design in vanilla you have a million different tools on most classes and have to understand how to manage your resources. much, much better design in classic. "hurr durr better players play retail" if you have 38 addons to play the game for you or to make the newest raid possible that isn't you being skilled thats the game playing itself.
"Every time that you log into the game you can accomplish something. Even though you might not achieve a new level that night of gameplay, you might finish one or two quests or you might earn a new rank in a trade skill, or explore a new zone. That way you are not so focused on the experience bar the entire time you're playing. Your only goal in the game is not necessarily leveling up but it's completing quests and visiting new areas, learning new skills - always developing your character." Retrospective: Well that didn't last long did it.
We the players changed too. We weren't about minmaxing back then. It wasn't that important. We didn't want to do things as fast as possible, we just had fun. You can't do an MMO like WoW ever again, because datamining has ruined any kind of surprise. The internet is full of guides and people are all about streamlining their gaming to the extreme, not about immersing yourself in a world.
I wish i was born in the 90's so that adult me could enjoy it, me being from 2001 i never really got into it since games like counter strike and minecraft became popping at my teens.
6:47 Please enjoy this gameplay. Let the player's style of playing the character sink deeply in you... do you see how relaxed he is? Multiple seconds between his actions... People were either high or just totally enjoying the game.. young folks can learn from this!
There's too much focus on being good at a game these days, instead of actually enjoying the game. No exploring or experiment, people just look up metas and the best for everything, It's like a job assignment and a grind... no actual time to breath and enjoy.
Geniuses at work, toke one of the best games we had W3 and transformed the idea and whole vibe into an even more awesome WoW, love how it begun and sad to see where its going now.
That video brought back some memories. I started playing right when Burning Crusades came out, loved it and still love wow to this day. it's the only video game I binge play.
Holy shit....I'm only 2 mins in and it pretty much has a core value opposite of the modern WoW devs...they really need to go back to their roots for core mechanics of how the game should be played, this is great and refreshing to hear.
As someone who started with FFXI; WoW is truly a lighting in a bottle. The happy blend of progression and social interactions really shaped how MMOs are today
Yes, dwarfs could be mages in either WoW beta or wow Alpha, but it was removed in the release, actually if you look at the mage "blink" icon, it's a dwarf mage blinking :p
You made me do a comparison of the Blink from WoW and the warcraft 3 Blink icon. They are very similar, but the blink icon for the Warden is a Night Elf, and in WoW is a dwarf
...and still loot an Tauren totem pole weapon :( Was one of main reason i wanted to make a tauren warrior in vanilla, those badass tauren using a giant pole to bash their enemy, then again lot of things where a let down from warcraft 3 (plaid every expansion though) edit: Thanks for uploading this video
Even better - a Tauren Hunter bashing people with that polearm because you didn't realize that melee was supposed to be for emergencies, not your primary form of attack.
The colorful palates in the art, characters, level design in WoW, have a very similar look to Insomniac Games original Spyro the Dragon games on the PS1.
Thnx for sharing the video. Nice to see the beginning of wow, now it is a completely different game. In the video they said that raids won't be so important aspect of the game, but everything revolves around raids. And the dark portal thing sounded really awesome. What if the game did take this turn rather the turn we know now, I wonder how the game would have looked right now.
I always wish there would be more customization. Like really MOST of the known things. Dark Iron, Wildhammer Dwarf. All the Orc clans. Tauren Tribes including the grimtotem. Rescued leper gnomes. all sort of elves. More harsh pirate ish humans like the models from early wow. different troll tribes and for the undead, some skeletons, ghuls, necromancers or even a lich when you play a mage. This would be so amazing, i know some private servers have things like ogres and goblins in wow classic but i was thinking on the Standard races and their variants. Would love to have a private server with that and with many players. The Dark iron dwarf with his glasses in this video look so cool!
Adding more factions to it, not just black and white. Add it like teams. So the racial ability dont get op or abused. Having neutral hubs and faction hubs. Instead of three citys of horde or alliance that never get visited lmao. So much unused space. This game would be amazing and it would have had so much more success. Cant see the boring blue and red anymore
@@Anudorini-Talah If you look at Metzen's map of Azeroth in 1999 you can see he planned to have 3 factions in the game. The Alliance (Humans, Dwarves, High Elves) the Horde (Orcs, Ogres, Goblins, Night Elves) and the Pact (Undead, Naga, Demons).
What the fuck? Why was this recommended to me as the first thing on my home page in 2021 when Blizzard is burning up? I even recognize Jeff Kaplan's voice! This is such a beautiful portal to the good old days.
Did you guys realised too , that the pictures at 11:56 Are from the same time as the picture of what you have in the World of Warcraft box? (just look at the night elf at the left side of the picture, and you'll see)
read the comments I added later - maybe these already answer your questions. A bunch of not publicly known designers/developers "left" blizzard when it became "activision" blizzard - but the most KNOWN guys are still hired and on different projects - thats correct. It is pretty usuall to hire a lot of designers during the making process and later on to "fire" them (expired contracts) in the game industry. But tbh. I don't want to talk anymore about WoW. Have a nice day
I honestly hope blizzard will make a new MMO. A fresh start, a project made out of passion and not just trying to keep something going that should probably have ended a long time ago.
This commentary from Rob Pardo and Jeff Kaplan offers a lot of insight into many of the design decisions that gave World of Warcraft such broad, widespread appeal. A minimal but extremely flexible UI, a quest log that gives a sense of direction and purpose from start to finish, and clever class-design choices to ensure they feel unique and fun all contributed to a game that was easy to play but difficult to master; and probably more importantly, offered a lot of customisation in the way people interact with the game. This was ground-breaking stuff for online games in 2004. In the beginning, researching other games was key to developing an idea of what people found fun in online RPGs. Many MMORPGs today try to imitate, and sometimes copy directly, what WoW has done correctly, and this is one of the very first points that stands out to me. Many imitators seem to have tried to lift directly from WoW rather than researching what players find fun first-hand. Online games mature and change rapidly, and things that players found fun yesterday they won’t necessarily find fun today. The way many of WoW’s gameplay systems have changed over time reflect this.
@@agentdelta569 Doesn't the first manual include a dwarf manual though? I think they intended to have them in the game but removed the from whatever reason.
@@kahvaimuri2824 I think it had to do with race/class combo imbalance. They wanted horde and alliance to have an equal number of race/class combinations
So at the end he says something like “players have to find out how to open the dark portal to get to Outland” and I only got into wow after the announcement of BC (but before release), obviously it was in development but was there anything a particular player did to learn about opening the dark portal (even something as simple as finishing the last raid) or was it just purely development cycle of “okay now it’s time”?
As I remember, you bought the expansion, then did a short quest series in order to go through the dark portal. There was a lot of build up before the release, people were REALLY excited to walk through that portal.
jeffery kapplan was hired in 2002 - blizzard started the process in 1999 and it was announced in 2001. So - what you mean is that jeff and rob chosed to leave. But I also ment the whole team wich was behind them. (roughly 37 game designers and I think they deserves more +rep as I said - for jeff and rob .... well I don't know why exactly they hired them... they were basicly just the guild leaders of Legacy of Steel in everquest but it payed off ... i guess)
Really it was people playing Warcraft 3 using the Map Editor to create giant NPC's changing the camera view and giving them abilities similar to that of League of Legends and creating mini multiplayer free for all campaigns.
Easy to get in to f off haha, when I was a new player I didn't know what the he'll was going on lol. Took me months to get at least okay at the game and start to really understand the world, even longer to get good at my rotation and all that jazz.
it was sort of easy. Took me months too, as a kid, as it was the first MMO after runescape At a time where I didn't even had a clue that games like this could actually exist. But all in all, it was as easy to get into as possible, lets say. Could've been a lot worse if they didn't make certain changes and polishes and interface choices, I'm sure.
They cared so much about how their game was played and looked at, its crazy how money (goal) oriented companies are in 2021, its sad and i dont think big games like wow OG will ever be passionately created and not profit oriented. RIP OG games
Then activision stepped in and said; "Fuck it, let's just give it all to the players so they don't have to work for it. Why travel to a secluded and dangerous place to get a schematic when it can be given to you in a common market place together with everything you need to use it? Why the player have to make the thing at all. Just throw the epics at em!"
Ahhhh so you have full item lvl 581 gear? Do you have 2600 3v3 rating? There is a pretty fucking big difference between timeless isle gear and good gear. Could people PLEASE try to ignore the fucking color of the item?
***** That would in fact be called 'Legendary', something Diablo ruined when it comes to extreme rarity. Epics should be more common and rare even more so
Common should be common. Magic should be the "confetti", rare should be rare, Epic should be hard to get, Legendary should be just that; legendary and even harder to get. And when you get it you'll get that legendary feeling for having achieved something glorious. Without that it's just gear you don't really want because it's just in your way of- and doesn't help you in- getting what you really want...
Did he say "...and fishing is very fun and unique"? Hours of intensely watching a pixelized bobber and if you look away for a second and miss it, you have to recast and wait another 20 seconds. Fishing used to be rewarding...but never fun. They have nerfed it so bad that it is only valuable to get fish for cooking.
+Moonlight Productions I was there back then and I can tell you that practically nobody thought fishing was innovative or a very entertaining activity. Fish bots have been around for as long as World of Warcraft has been around.
It is interesting to learn that Fishing was intended to be a secondary profession in the most basic sense - see a lake, fish for 2-3 min, move on. I think a lot of new MMORPG players played like that during vanilla (I know friends and I did) and it increased immersion because it was more about having something to do than it was about min-maxing. But Vanilla was different in so many ways even from BC and it's hard to replicate the experience of having more than half your player base NOT at level cap because leveling takes so long. I'm looking forward to what the new expansion will bring to the game - if it does to leveling what it's hinting at then it could at least revitalize the old world and make it fun to level again, although I doubt they'll ever nerf XP back to BC or Wrath levels because they don't want to discourage what few new players they get.
First off - it was an argument about WoW. They didn't started with the project (WoW). And now they aren't working ON this project. I mean you are right that they are still employed - but it wasn't even majorly about them in the first place (from my point of view it is about the team behind them). Anyways - they both managed to stay at blizz but as mentioned before they aren't working on WoW anymore. Have a nice day :)
The coolest thing that WOW did was there icon design…forever I will remember those first few quests I did and drag and dropping icons into my bag, and the most vivid vision appeared in my head. These icons are perfect! They really made a great visual representation of things. My Tauren body model also impressed me, loved this game.
I've been saying it for a while. Wc3 and Wow classic's icon design has been unmatched to this day. I don't know how they did it ...
@@Kpaxlol ua-cam.com/video/MUN4Kz1VYJo/v-deo.html channel of one of og blizzard guy
My right ear enjoyed this
I'm deaf in my left so everything sounds normal to me
Both of my ears enjoyed this. Not at the same time though.
khast fuck you fucking bitch
Lmao
@@pyramidhead3109 same
These guys had such a good sense of what to do. Their almost perfect taste, understanding and decision making combined to create this amazing game. Was lightning in a bottle will never see its like again.
This was before AAA game sensationalism, before "data mining" was so widespread it ruined any sense of mystery a game had.
Additionally, the original WoW designers were veterans of much more hardcore MMOs like EverQuest.
Lightning in a bottle indeed.
Back when they took the best thing froms other games and used them. Now they just throw a system at people at hope it sticks
dont say never, games is still in its baby state. think of the games we will have in 50 years from now. think how tiny portion of time games have existed in its current widespread state.
I know right....FFFFFF. They did such an amazing job, still the best mmo ever, 20 years later.
@@Dennan Let's hope we evolve past the scummy freemium live service model eventually.
Jeff's voice is so easy to recognize!
I would give so much to have that feeling back, when you logged into WoW for the first time and just was in awe of the world and exploring it. Nothing in any game will ever make me feel like I did back then.
I feel you brother:(
WoW Classic is available, you can have your feeling back now ;)
@@nigelryle2358 Not even remotely close 😝 I think you meant it sarcasticly though ;)
@@andreasstahl8207 i doubt it's sarcastic, it's definitely not the same as the awe of first playing but the nostalgia definitely hits hard.
@@CrypticElements Yeah for sure! I played a bit of classic but it got old very fast, and I'm glad I did now with how they have seasons and crap. But ye it was a huge nostalgia trip and many feelings. But It's not even close to the magic as the first time you logged in.
In my time of playing WoW, I have found several quest lines that I truly enjoy. Duskwood and Westfall are my two favorite areas in the entire game.
ugh, westfall...
For me, Westfall was so boring but I loved Loch Modan. Also, Redridge is epic after Cataclysm
Yeah westfall is my favorite zone.
Mulgore FTW
Redridge mountains.
0:53 back when MMORPGs were more about the journey than the destination. I get it, wanting to rush to endgame where all the cool stuff is is great and all, but games nowadays are designed to funnel you into that endgame so the leveling experience is a chore
Good old times when Blizzard cared about gamers and was not the soulless puppet of greedy Activision managers
this in 2004 is completely insane
Wow in its golden age..
the good old times, when developers made games for love and not just $$$
I'm sure they didn't care about money at all back then. They definitely didn't have a subscription or anything.
@@m1bl4n I think it was more that back then they got given the green light to make this project, the person backing the project believed in it because they were close to the lead developers behind it and saw their talents in previous products they shipped. When it was greenlit I'm sure the developers weren't thinking "how do we make sure that by the end of this we really please not only our boss but every investor in the company" it was more like "we got the greenlight, we know what we want, we know what will work even if it seems like a risk, we truly believe that this is what the customer is searching for" So lightning in a bottle it just all alligned and so you have this beautiful mix of a commercial product becoming successful and also there's no cynism for failure because they are all together with the same common goal.
Today when it comes to these major studios that Blizzard themselves became and sort of guided the industry to follow they are being handled by people who are only in it for the bottom line, they aren't in the entertainment buisness they are constantly making every year go up in profit so when a development team gets to pitch a new idea they have to make sure all these bullet points are mentioned or it just gets shot down. Blizzard themselves had so much trouble originally pitching the game that became Overwatch, they finally had to settle to make a first person online shooter to get the green light.
This needs to be an blizzard training video
Agreed
Thats asking far too much from frat house bliz
@@aslgbg ?
@@hypernol LMAOOO
They're all too busy chillin in the breastfeeding room
6:36 "oh shoot I'm almost dead. Better activate my aura" :-)
+Tack ikr lol
Granted it was a skull player
XD this is so cute man hahahaha "WAIT, IM ALMOST DEAD, DEFENCE? I REMEMBER HAVING SOME DEFENCE SPELL, WAIT, THERE!!! Better now then never!"
And even against a caster enemy lmao
@@nathancasey7712 Granted there was more to it than just skull player. Mage, Troll, Enemy territory, high level, and voodoo magic
Better click abilities with the mouse, keyboard turn and play in first person mode, with zero addons to improve your pvp skills.
Wow. So the whole Opening of Ahn'Qiraj was originally supposed to be used for opening the Dark Portal. Interesting.
I guess they also had all of the basic story progression concepts from Vanilla to Wrath planned since the beginning. All the vanilla stuff, the concept of readjourning with Illidan in Outland, and marching into Northrend to take down Arthas.
I guess my suspicions were right, then. The story of Warcraft pretty much honorably ended with 3.3.5, and everything from Cataclysm onward was like the proverbial "mediocre second season of the tv show". :p
Not necessarily they were just trying to shape the content. And decided to make that an expansion
3.3.5 :’) the Best
Yes, making deathwing return was just the classic "Wait, we got a evil dog down in the basement to unleash to have some fun, lets do it!" Old Lore fans were amazed by this but the game play and new features, complete overall, instancing LFG feature advantage really killed it.
I remember my best WoW Real life friend class mate quit at the time of cata. mainly because of teenage years and drugs, friends but man.. last thing we did was swimming down at the Vash'jr opening xD
@@Anudorini-Talah For me it was redesign of talents and removal of half of the stats mainly
Also community aspects ofc
@@wisniamw Yep. I hated the talent removal. Half the new talents, you never even have reason to use.
One of my fondest memories in life, were the first few years playing WoW during Vanilla, TBC, and WotLK
Their class design and focus on gameplay was genius, especially for the time. They truly made each class feel like its own different way of experiencing the game.
In no other game with classes did it feel as distinct as in WoW.
just look at this and then on what wow has become
Someone please show this to the new Blizzard development team, expecially the ones for WoD.
...Please!
There was nothing wrong with WoD, they just didnt have the resources to finish it.
@@gandelgerlant565 Right. We have to remember that Activision Blizzard is a small indie company. They're not like some of these multibillion dollar companies out there with a huge player base and who charge for the game plus a monthly subscription fee with merch and an in-game shop. People need to cut them a break.
this hasnt aged welll
Times have changed it’s all about pleasing the investors and not the players now
Holy shit.,.. 6 years later and this comment still applies today with shadowlands
I miss when Jeff was on the WoW team.
I wish nothing but the best for Jeffs future!
1:06 This is what modern wow does so wrong for me. It's the polar opposite to what he is saying there. Nobody cares about the gear you get while leveling, or the proffesions. Like you only look at the experience bar wishing you could just skip the entire process. What I loved about old wow is that I never really wanted to level that fast, often because I had gotten a lot of very strong equipment for my level, and that made me feel stronger than others at the same level as me, and I wanted that to last as long as possible.
Like the satisfying feeling of being around level 30-40 in stv, having bis gear for your level and just having that advantage in world pvp against other players at around your level, god that was such good times. Like modern wow is just so tunneled towards the end game (which I dont particularly like anyway), which makes it so much less of an mmo compared to the past.
It's amazing how many things they knew in 2004 but they don't know in 2021. They've screwed up almost every single part of the game at this point.
What? Raiding and dungeons are FAR superior in modern wow.
@@Oskarjlee And what else? What other progress have they made in the past 17 years?
Money is what they see now
@@ResponsibleBread Class design is far more fun too. There is a LOT to do in the modern game, classic wow (I'm talking about vanilla-wotlk) is incredibly sparse and painstakingly boring in comparison. I would much rather play the challenging version of WoW (Modern wow), than the mundane, relatively easy (but still somewhat fun) classic game. There is a reason the best WoW players play the modern game.
@@Oskarjlee class design in retail every class is a builder-spender. class design in vanilla you have a million different tools on most classes and have to understand how to manage your resources. much, much better design in classic.
"hurr durr better players play retail" if you have 38 addons to play the game for you or to make the newest raid possible that isn't you being skilled thats the game playing itself.
"Every time that you log into the game you can accomplish something. Even though you might not achieve a new level that night of gameplay, you might finish one or two quests or you might earn a new rank in a trade skill, or explore a new zone. That way you are not so focused on the experience bar the entire time you're playing. Your only goal in the game is not necessarily leveling up but it's completing quests and visiting new areas, learning new skills - always developing your character."
Retrospective: Well that didn't last long did it.
We the players changed too. We weren't about minmaxing back then. It wasn't that important. We didn't want to do things as fast as possible, we just had fun. You can't do an MMO like WoW ever again, because datamining has ruined any kind of surprise. The internet is full of guides and people are all about streamlining their gaming to the extreme, not about immersing yourself in a world.
I wish i was born in the 90's so that adult me could enjoy it, me being from 2001 i never really got into it since games like counter strike and minecraft became popping at my teens.
Same dude same i wish I was around for cs source
@@michaelrosa9593 lol kid
@@bulkathos5207 eh it is what it is kekw
@@michaelrosa9593 i didn't see twitch until I was already a man, and by then it was nothing to me but cancer
@@bulkathos5207 based I don't rlly like twitch too much
Check in your handbook inside your vanilla cd case. It says that dwarves can be mages. I guess they forgot to delete that little part
6:47 Please enjoy this gameplay. Let the player's style of playing the character sink deeply in you... do you see how relaxed he is? Multiple seconds between his actions... People were either high or just totally enjoying the game.. young folks can learn from this!
Yeah, learn how to be bad at the game. Why would they want that?
There's too much focus on being good at a game these days, instead of actually enjoying the game. No exploring or experiment, people just look up metas and the best for everything, It's like a job assignment and a grind... no actual time to breath and enjoy.
Geniuses at work, toke one of the best games we had W3 and transformed the idea and whole vibe into an even more awesome WoW, love how it begun and sad to see where its going now.
That video brought back some memories. I started playing right when Burning Crusades came out, loved it and still love wow to this day. it's the only video game I binge play.
this just ruined my entire night.
the thought the dark portal could be like an AQ event.....these men were geniuses.
Wow Dev ASMR
like how zoomed in the game was, totally different atmosphere that way.
Holy shit....I'm only 2 mins in and it pretty much has a core value opposite of the modern WoW devs...they really need to go back to their roots for core mechanics of how the game should be played, this is great and refreshing to hear.
Poor Dwarf in the video just couldn't catch a break
I used to love this game so much
thanks for the upload
As someone who started with FFXI; WoW is truly a lighting in a bottle. The happy blend of progression and social interactions really shaped how MMOs are today
Yes, dwarfs could be mages in either WoW beta or wow Alpha, but it was removed in the release, actually if you look at the mage "blink" icon, it's a dwarf mage blinking :p
You made me do a comparison of the Blink from WoW and the warcraft 3 Blink icon. They are very similar, but the blink icon for the Warden is a Night Elf, and in WoW is a dwarf
thank you, after so many years i finally know what this blink picture actually represents haha.. i'm not kidding ^^
Some claim the Blink icon is Antonidas, which makes a bit more sense, though it looks like a Dwarf.
7:53 that is the coolest resurrection effect ever. Why did they get rid of that?
i dont think that ever existed. ive played since vanilla and I always remember it snapping like today,
@@rosskugman cause this is alpha/beta footage
agree
How did they get to the current WoW???
A lot of poor decisions
...and still loot an Tauren totem pole weapon :( Was one of main reason i wanted to make a tauren warrior in vanilla, those badass tauren using a giant pole to bash their enemy, then again lot of things where a let down from warcraft 3 (plaid every expansion though)
edit: Thanks for uploading this video
Even better - a Tauren Hunter bashing people with that polearm because you didn't realize that melee was supposed to be for emergencies, not your primary form of attack.
The colorful palates in the art, characters, level design in WoW, have a very similar look to Insomniac Games original Spyro the Dragon games on the PS1.
finally the algo put me here.. what a pleasure
Thnx for sharing the video. Nice to see the beginning of wow, now it is a completely different game. In the video they said that raids won't be so important aspect of the game, but everything revolves around raids. And the dark portal thing sounded really awesome. What if the game did take this turn rather the turn we know now, I wonder how the game would have looked right now.
I was just stopping to think about it. How a better game wow was if the story just stayed at level 60...
I'm pretty sure this video is how I discovered that bottle quest under the bridge between wetlands and arathi.
Hey it's Uncle Jeff!
my right ear really enjoyed this video
RIP World of Warcraft.
used to be so fun. Being an Undead and discovering Orgrimmar for the first time
5:45
An ingame model of a Tauren with a Totem Pole as a weapon. Where can I find this weapon?
aww the good old days.
Would sure be nice if Blizzard still felt this way about their game.
I always wish there would be more customization. Like really MOST of the known things. Dark Iron, Wildhammer Dwarf. All the Orc clans. Tauren Tribes including the grimtotem. Rescued leper gnomes. all sort of elves. More harsh pirate ish humans like the models from early wow. different troll tribes and for the undead, some skeletons, ghuls, necromancers or even a lich when you play a mage. This would be so amazing, i know some private servers have things like ogres and goblins in wow classic but i was thinking on the Standard races and their variants. Would love to have a private server with that and with many players. The Dark iron dwarf with his glasses in this video look so cool!
Adding more factions to it, not just black and white. Add it like teams. So the racial ability dont get op or abused. Having neutral hubs and faction hubs. Instead of three citys of horde or alliance that never get visited lmao. So much unused space. This game would be amazing and it would have had so much more success. Cant see the boring blue and red anymore
@@Anudorini-Talah If you look at Metzen's map of Azeroth in 1999 you can see he planned to have 3 factions in the game. The Alliance (Humans, Dwarves, High Elves) the Horde (Orcs, Ogres, Goblins, Night Elves) and the Pact (Undead, Naga, Demons).
Had to swap my headphones to be able to enjoy it on both ears
What the fuck? Why was this recommended to me as the first thing on my home page in 2021 when Blizzard is burning up? I even recognize Jeff Kaplan's voice! This is such a beautiful portal to the good old days.
Did you guys realised too , that the pictures at 11:56 Are from the same time as the picture of what you have in the World of Warcraft box?
(just look at the night elf at the left side of the picture, and you'll see)
Rob Pardo is a genius, he also was the brain behind Starcraft, and he haven't even the school finished when Blizzard btought him into the project!
"fishing is a great activity" GOOD JOKE
+Dhobbs For gold making it sure was/is
Proxey .proxeymus lol no it wasn't.
Sure it was, farming deviate fish outside WC, for savory deviate delight, they sold very good
He clearly never played back in vanilla.
+Zman lol Me? if so yes I did actually, early 2006
read the comments I added later - maybe these already answer your questions.
A bunch of not publicly known designers/developers "left" blizzard when it became "activision" blizzard - but the most KNOWN guys are still hired and on different projects - thats correct. It is pretty usuall to hire a lot of designers during the making process and later on to "fire" them (expired contracts) in the game industry.
But tbh. I don't want to talk anymore about WoW.
Have a nice day
the glory days
I appreciate the internal tester getting ganked.
Current devs should watch this
We were lucky to play the best Wow.
They were playable during Beta, but when the game launched they decided to scrap that class option.
I honestly hope blizzard will make a new MMO. A fresh start, a project made out of passion and not just trying to keep something going that should probably have ended a long time ago.
Engineering was such great skill for vanilla. Although, I have to admit I liked creating those armors early on.
I wish world of warcraft have World editor just like warcraft 3 and Starcraft
This commentary from Rob Pardo and Jeff Kaplan offers a lot of insight into many of the design decisions that gave World of Warcraft such broad, widespread appeal. A minimal but extremely flexible UI, a quest log that gives a sense of direction and purpose from start to finish, and clever class-design choices to ensure they feel unique and fun all contributed to a game that was easy to play but difficult to master; and probably more importantly, offered a lot of customisation in the way people interact with the game. This was ground-breaking stuff for online games in 2004. In the beginning, researching other games was key to developing an idea of what people found fun in online RPGs. Many MMORPGs today try to imitate, and sometimes copy directly, what WoW has done correctly, and this is one of the very first points that stands out to me. Many imitators seem to have tried to lift directly from WoW rather than researching what players find fun first-hand. Online games mature and change rapidly, and things that players found fun yesterday they won’t necessarily find fun today. The way many of WoW’s gameplay systems have changed over time reflect this.
Wow was just a custom version of everquest with wow models most of the team were hired from there lol.
@7:10 dwarf mages in vanilla
+Deluxo LOL its so awkward to see dwarf mage XD
+Deluxo i actually think they used dwarves because they got the modle down and nice where the humans werent finished yet
@@agentdelta569 Doesn't the first manual include a dwarf manual though? I think they intended to have them in the game but removed the from whatever reason.
@@kahvaimuri2824 I think it had to do with race/class combo imbalance. They wanted horde and alliance to have an equal number of race/class combinations
@@rph8704 Honestly dwarf mage would make more sense than dwarf hunter. Nesingwary is a dwarf though.
So at the end he says something like “players have to find out how to open the dark portal to get to Outland” and I only got into wow after the announcement of BC (but before release), obviously it was in development but was there anything a particular player did to learn about opening the dark portal (even something as simple as finishing the last raid) or was it just purely development cycle of “okay now it’s time”?
As I remember, you bought the expansion, then did a short quest series in order to go through the dark portal. There was a lot of build up before the release, people were REALLY excited to walk through that portal.
First 50 seconds of this video is what WoW completely took away, and was what made WoW amazing. Lack of character development killed this game.
jeffery kapplan was hired in 2002 - blizzard started the process in 1999 and it was announced in 2001.
So - what you mean is that jeff and rob chosed to leave. But I also ment the whole team wich was behind them. (roughly 37 game designers and I think they deserves more +rep as I said - for jeff and rob .... well I don't know why exactly they hired them... they were basicly just the guild leaders of Legacy of Steel in everquest but it payed off ... i guess)
At the beginning It was the awesome idea.
2:26 Tiger mount scaled down to the size of the gnome :D
I think your time stamp is off
Really it was people playing Warcraft 3 using the Map Editor to create giant NPC's changing the camera view and giving them abilities similar to that of League of Legends and creating mini multiplayer free for all campaigns.
Different Ear ASMR changes from Right to Left
Thanks!
Dwarf Mages were originally planned. Look in your Vanilla WoW manual.
Easy to get in to f off haha, when I was a new player I didn't know what the he'll was going on lol.
Took me months to get at least okay at the game and start to really understand the world, even longer to get good at my rotation and all that jazz.
it was sort of easy. Took me months too, as a kid, as it was the first MMO after runescape
At a time where I didn't even had a clue that games like this could actually exist.
But all in all, it was as easy to get into as possible, lets say. Could've been a lot worse if they didn't make certain changes and polishes and interface choices, I'm sure.
I miss the vanilla that's my fav in world of Warcraft
old school jeff kaplan
I wish classic players didn't ruin world pvp forever...
Awesome
Why do people say 'Urbs' instead of herbs?
H is silent there buddddddddddddy
Oh well.
+Ryan Locke the H is silent
No, It's not silent only in fake English used in the US it's not in real English where the English come from.
@Dirkzy wow is easier, but is still beautiful and fun.
Old wow looks so fun, only ever played in shadowlands rip
you missed out
While the community isn't the same by any stretch of the imagination, you can always play Classic. Or private servers!
better off downloading server emulators and playing by yourself
yes in wow beta there were dwarf mages :D
0:44 is that sco?
They cared so much about how their game was played and looked at, its crazy how money (goal) oriented companies are in 2021, its sad and i dont think big games like wow OG will ever be passionately created and not profit oriented. RIP OG games
My left ear cried.
Then activision stepped in and said; "Fuck it, let's just give it all to the players so they don't have to work for it. Why travel to a secluded and dangerous place to get a schematic when it can be given to you in a common market place together with everything you need to use it? Why the player have to make the thing at all. Just throw the epics at em!"
Ahhhh so you have full item lvl 581 gear? Do you have 2600 3v3 rating? There is a pretty fucking big difference between timeless isle gear and good gear. Could people PLEASE try to ignore the fucking color of the item?
***** That would in fact be called 'Legendary', something Diablo ruined when it comes to extreme rarity. Epics should be more common and rare even more so
Common should be common. Magic should be the "confetti", rare should be rare, Epic should be hard to get, Legendary should be just that; legendary and even harder to get. And when you get it you'll get that legendary feeling for having achieved something glorious. Without that it's just gear you don't really want because it's just in your way of- and doesn't help you in- getting what you really want...
Did he say "...and fishing is very fun and unique"? Hours of intensely watching a pixelized bobber and if you look away for a second and miss it, you have to recast and wait another 20 seconds.
Fishing used to be rewarding...but never fun. They have nerfed it so bad that it is only valuable to get fish for cooking.
+Moonlight Productions I was there back then and I can tell you that practically nobody thought fishing was innovative or a very entertaining activity. Fish bots have been around for as long as World of Warcraft has been around.
It is interesting to learn that Fishing was intended to be a secondary profession in the most basic sense - see a lake, fish for 2-3 min, move on. I think a lot of new MMORPG players played like that during vanilla (I know friends and I did) and it increased immersion because it was more about having something to do than it was about min-maxing. But Vanilla was different in so many ways even from BC and it's hard to replicate the experience of having more than half your player base NOT at level cap because leveling takes so long.
I'm looking forward to what the new expansion will bring to the game - if it does to leveling what it's hinting at then it could at least revitalize the old world and make it fun to level again, although I doubt they'll ever nerf XP back to BC or Wrath levels because they don't want to discourage what few new players they get.
Jeff Kaplan is god level game designer
0:50 Jeff Kaplan from the Overwatch team
My right ear thanks you
HI THAT IS JEFF FROM THW WOW TEAM
"...Fishing is very fun and unique."
re-up with stereo pls thanks
Someone at Blizz should watch this video, just to clear the mind.
I miss Jeff's soothing voice :(
First off - it was an argument about WoW. They didn't started with the project (WoW). And now they aren't working ON this project.
I mean you are right that they are still employed - but it wasn't even majorly about them in the first place (from my point of view it is about the team behind them).
Anyways - they both managed to stay at blizz but as mentioned before they aren't working on WoW anymore.
Have a nice day :)