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If Not Portugal.. Then Where Would We Live?
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0:28 Our Criteria
1:10 Places We Have Ruled Out
2:16 Our 9 Picks
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4:15 Thailand
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10:44 Costa Rica
11:52 Brazil
14:46 Mauritius
16:26 Our Final Pick
17:21 If We Were BILLIONAIRES!
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i live in British Columbia Canada,the westcoast,not vancouver but a small town 3 hours south of Alaska, so i think it would be too much like northern europe for you two,although if you look at Vancouver,the weather is very mild even in winter months,rarely snows,but the city is the most expensive place to live in Canada,because all canadians want to live there and also in the southern interior of the province a valley called the Okanagan,where it's all about lakes,beaches,fruit orchards and vineyards.I'm originally born and raised for 10 years in the azores and if i had to choose from your list first i would pic Portugal,second Greece,third Spain and fourth would be Mexico,the westcoast is beautiful in mexico and we usually go to puerto vallarta every year,but some of the things i don't like about Mexico are (1)it's dirty.mexicans throw their garbage everywhere,no pride in their land even thought they claim to love their land,and too much air pollution and noise pollution from all the vehicles.(2)the food is boring,always Tacos,tacos tacos and refried beans,the beer is like drinking watered down piss(not that i have done that,NO!LOL),(3)Too many americans.
I live here in Porto, Portugal and if I could live anywhere I wanted besides here.... maybe Mexico or another South American country? Best food and climate with the nicest ppl =)
@@user-el5hk7ex5k Isn't Maui destroyed after the "fires"?
@@joenandamalie only the town of lahaina was destroyed
I live in dark and cold ”winter wonderland” aka Finland, and I would LOVE to live in another country one day. In Europe, Portugal and Italy comes to mind. In Asia, Vietnam for sure 🇻🇳 One option might also be Canada, however never been there.
You said all. Portugal is the best!! Everything is good, people, weather, freedom, food, life, everything!
Yep! :)
Don't leave Madeira, we enjoy having you here on the island. We have excellent gastronomy, good weather, and very friendly people. Thank you for choosing this beautiful island.
bro não precisamos desta gente a viver aqui e a inflacionar os preços do imobiliário
We retired from the UK to our dream country, we've been here 2 years and wouldn't live anywhere else, it's Tavira Portugal.
Tavira is wonderful! Happy you are enjoying life here!
Miss Susana ainda bem que viver aqui em Portugal, só não se esqueça de aprender a falar português. 😂😂😂😂
@@nuno1935I have started and am finding it very difficult, but I try my best.
@@susanhighfield3370 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍👍
Learning the language makes the experience so much better. The Portuguese seem to get such a kick out of it when I speak Portuguese to them.
We are pround to have you in Portugal!
Orgulho Lusitano :D
That thing about Italian Food is soooo true! I moved from Northern Germany to Tuscany a year ago. And although it ticks so many of the boxes you named...when it comes to food the choices are extremely narrow (excellent quality of the products of course). I miss the variety of cuisines. Apart from that...beautiful nature, beaches, mountains, rolling hills, a lot of green, good weather, culture & architecture - it offers a lot! We find it not so easy to make friends here, even though we speak the language.
I currently live in Barcelona. And Joen is right. Tourists everywhere but some local neighborhoods are great. But if I were to have a serious relationship to Jen who knows. I think Portugal is truly amazing. Love the content guys.
Yeah but reality is also that most big cities in southern Europe are quite touristy but Barcelona is particularly popular. Thanks for your comment as always! 🙏🏼
Your video also made me question which country I would live, and eventually it made me realise how lucky I am to be born here 🇵🇹 😊 Obrigado pelo carinho!
I think is time for you both to visit Portuguese Ex Colonies like Cabo Verde and São Tomé and Príncipe! You will be amazed 👀👀👀
Yes. We know! It's been on our to do list for 4 years.
I love it here in Madeira. Don’t want to go anywhere else.
Amen, brother.
The only real problem is the steepness of the roads. Everything is extremely vertical. So, being a retiree and in good shape I’m fine. But I do find the driving by challenging.
Hi Danes!
Howard and i were very impressed with your portuguese. :)
Last week we were in Madeira and found Hoy hoy and gave it a go.
We mentioned we were there because we watch Stay Classy. We were hoping to see you folks out and about. Perhaps, on our Next visit,
Ola, from NY.
I hope to find a country to move to that i love as much as you guys love Portugal. As i grew older i've realized is all i want is happy and jolly people around me, palm trees, tropical fruits and easy access the beach that's less than 30 mins drive..that's all i need. Great video as usual guys xx
"I think I could live in Spain because then it's only a short drive to Portugal" GIVE THIS WOMAN PORTUGUESE CITIZENSHIP! I mean, NOW!!
Oh, by the way, if not Portugal, then Spain, of course 😉
Hahaha! 😂
Spain is a nice 2nd place ;)
I am thinking the Silver Coast of Portugal. Still reasonably priced, moderate weather/not as hot as the Algarve, greener, awesome beaches and not too far from beautiful Cascais where I will berth my yacht at their wonderful marina.
Lol, my parents' house, where I lived longer in my life, was the house where the main offices of the marina are now.
You should have seen that place before the megalodon was built in the early 90s. It was paradise.
My parents loving boats and sailing, themselves, it wasn't strange to see an english couple anchoring their yacht in front of the house - after a 2 week voyage - end up having a warm bath at the house, and a comfortable dinner, where they narrated their seafaring adventures.
Greek Cyclades are fantastic: food, weather, beaches and relaxed vibe.
It’s not where one lives that is most important but rather how one lives and with whom one lives that leads to contentment and happiness.
Great answer, mindset is important and company 👌
16:08 When Joen said 32 degrees C was hot I fell off my couch laughing. In Texas, the summers are 40C for 60 straight days 🤣
Haha, 32-35c when humid is F**KING hot in my book! I grew up with Siberian winters and one day summers!
My dream destination Sicily , because we were just there this past July visiting my husband’s cousins that he had never met before and we fell inlove with the people and the lifestyle of being in a village that everyone is so loving. There were record breaking hot temperatures, but that really detoxed us and the sun enriched us with vitamin D. The drinking water is pure and filled with mineral. Swimming in the sea was actually healing.🙏❤️
Great job crew...loved the
Point - Counter - Point bantering.
Always remember... there is no plan, without a plan B.
"Merry Christmas All!"
Thanks for your kind words. Merry Christmas!
Croatia?
But I agree w/you guys regarding Portugal & especially Madeira. ❤
We haven't been, but would of course be open to it. Not sure if language is barrier there?
If you life food go to kuala lampur malaysia ,a fusion of like thai and indian and indonesian and chinese food i personly love malaysian food its so good and its very affordable in kuala lampur
I'd probably move to KL too!
Italy does seem pretty friggin' cool! Then again... Acores is quite spectacular too. Oh, wait, that's also Portugal... hmmm, this is tough.
Have you been to Philippines? Great people, great food, and beautiful 7, 641 islands. The cities are beautiful too.
We haven't been, but would love to!
Actually, New Zealand was pretty darn magical.
I love living between Greece and Switzerland ❤
You are lucky to have those two countries as homes.
“U sound like the news”👍😂😂😂
My father was in the military and has literally been around the world several times and he said when he retired he always wanted to end up in Costa Rica. He died in 2005 so I cannot say if he would still approve of how it is now. BUT back then he said it was the most cost-effect & beautiful wilderness one could enjoy =)
Sorry for your loss. We honestly just don't know enough about Costa Rica. We have friends that love it there, but it seems too off grid for our liking.
@@joenandamalie best tasting pinnaples and some fruit arriving in Portugal are from Costa Rica
I spent 5 years researching where to retire. Portugal was the top of that list of countries and I went all in on it a couple years prior to moving and started learning the language. I thought I knew a lot of Portuguese until I moved here. Then I learned I knew basically nothing. Being in the culture, it’s helped a lot though. Love it here so far.
We stay already more than 30 years in Italy (Lago Maggiore) and it's still great. This year in August we were the first time on Madeira and fell in love instantly! We rerurn for NYE and now we're seriously looking for a winter residence on this atlantic gem!
I disagree what tou told about italians. I wouldn't say they're nationalists, I would call them traditionalists. Also that they're aggressive. Emotional would describe it better. The italian woman in the video is quite extrem, never have seen such a behavior on delivery of a pizza😂 usually people are happy, because there lunch/dinner has come.
It wasn’t 3 hours - it was 2.5… 😂😂😂 Classic “old” couple arguments 😅 ❤❤
German born, American raised, have traveled a lot except to Far East. Love Portugal! Love USA, we are in Florida. Swiss too cold and not as friendly. Not fond of Mexico,, too disorganized. Greece also disorganized.
Like Costa Rica, but hot. Like Argentina, and Croatia. Canada too cold but very nice,
In the end it is best to have a good home base, but also travel some.
Hi! I live in the US but when I can leave I would definitely pick Portugal, Spain or Mexico!
Always love watching you guys❤
You know how they say “everywhere is great where we are not😂
Yep. No matter where I go, I always find myself!
Hi! Always love your videos 🥰
We were born in Uruguay,live in NY ,dreaming to live in Tuscany and visiting Portugal in 2 weeks !!
Please recommend us a good restaurant for New years eve in Lisboa !
Thanks!!
Feliz Navidad y Prospero Año Nuevo!!!
Could you guys recomend where to have a nice meal for the new years eve? no need big parties. just good place for dinner
love your channel
See if La ao Fundo is open! :)
Portugal of course..kenya in the 1970's like i did..although we get 40 degrees alot in the summer.. and not such great. Supermarkets so grow mostof our food..love bacahau but. It doesnt like me...been dead too long...
Hey Joen and Amelie. Nice choices!!! Honestly...for me it would have to be a country with a costa. Cannot live without the ocean.
Totally agree. Couldn't live inland!
Greece was one of the countries I've visited that I thought English was widely spoken
Definitely Chaves, Vila real Portugal. Beautiful City, close to Spain, lots of History and very affordable ❤
Portugal for sure !!
I would like to live in Canary Islands, Spain :) Lanzarote is at this time my favourite. Madeira is also one of the places i love ... food is better and nature is amazing. Lanzarote has on its side the amazing wine (Malvasia volcanica) the language (i speak Spanish but in Portuguese i just know some basic phrases) and the sandy beaches (and as bonus it is just half an hour with the ferry from Fuerteventura, the best Canary island when it comes to beaches)
its unreal how your wants are similar to mine. ive been to all those countries and are thinking of a place to move to also.
portugal thai and spain are my top 3 also! bangkok lisbon barcelona needs to form a new mega city for me. I have family in Vietnam so australia wouldnt be far either.
I would love to see a city that combined those three! :)
I currently live in America, but if I could live anywhere, it would be.... I've got my top five. Portugal, Malaysia, Malta, Mauritius, and Dominica.
Hi. I'm Daniela and I'm Portuguese. Definitely I love living here. If I had to pick one country I'd choose Greece or Australia
this subject has been on my mind..if not portugal , then what? in any case i will be in madeira starting jan 11 for 41 days.. if i see you in funchal , i will say hello.. obrigado por fazer todos estes videos...
Denmark stock exchange on fire 🔥🔥🔥🚒🔥🔥🔥
in my mums Santarem i remenber to be 52 and i was on the floor trying to cool down lol
That's INSANE!
I’ve already picked Spain between Malaga and Cadiz the med and Atlantic meet and you can see Africa. Hopefully soon
I live in Newark NJ. 3 blocks from Portugal Ave. (ironbound Area) ....n i'd move to Macau (best pasteis de nata East of Belem) or Palau. Yes i was born in Portugal. Amalie wants to have kids so Macau is OUT....... Palau Islands are a hidden gem in the South Pacific n not as far as Australia .....LOL.
Macau lol. No thanks! :D Palau sounds wonderful though!
Great list. :) Have you visited Belize?
Thanks bruva! No, we have not. Would love to go!
@@joenandamalie you guys need to watch the Belize episode from a channel called "Passport Heavy"... they do the same kind of high end travelling as you guys.
What is Portugal was rainy and Denmark was sunny?
Madeira or Portugal in Algarve is my Dreams
Would love to hear your opinion about the French asyleum. The fact that its not even mentioned is very telling lol
French Asylum? Not sure what you mean? :)
Strongly recommend Malaysia!
We have only been to KL. Wasn't for us. Way too hot and humid!
Türkiye should have been on your list. Western Türkiye is very affordable and beautiful and has amazing food and people and beaches. Also, being a fruitarian would be harmful to your health. Too much fructose is not good for you. For me my top three is Türkiye, Greece and Mexico.
Amalie keeps bugging me to go to Istanbul. I would love to go, but we just haven't had a chance.
Please come to visit Hualien, Taiwan sometimes.
always a fun topic to consider. for the last 2.5 years, Mexico works for me. and I live a very basic life with few activities and even less high end food. I actually got tired of Mexican food very quickly. its all the same 4 ingredients in different shapes and I find the taste bland. but I'm there for the freedom and the affordability. and my Mexican girlfriend of course. and as you guys found out it is super easy and fast to travel around Mexico. the flights are almost always under 4 hours and for someone from Canada that is super easy to take. as an extreme example, Tijuana to Cancun is still only 4 hours 12 minutes. as long as you dont buy drugs in Mexico you have zero to worry about. at the moment I am in Panama. too hot for me here in the city and the beach. up in the mountains is cooler and a jungle paradise that is always green. I have liked almost every place I have travelled to and feel sad when its time to leave. if there was no such thing as winter in northern Europe and the politics wasnt so communist I might pick Amsterdam to live. been to Netherlands 3 times and I just love everything about it. although - no mountains is a problem for me! but I could probably live anywhere, at least for a limited time. us humans are very adaptable.
i'm from BC and agree with you about the food,the weather is great,but i find the country is very dirty,garbage strewn everywhere.also finding it's getting more expensive to go there on vacation,prices have gone up rapidly in the last two years.
I can actually imagine that it's easy to grow tired of Mexican food after a few months. It is quite repetitive and we were surprised that there weren't much variety across the country. It was generally the same menu cards, but gosh it still tastes wonderful!
Northern Europe, and their politics being too communist? You're funny.
What about southern France?
For a visit sure, but to live, nah. I spent a lot of summers in Monaco, Cannes, Nice and that whole stretch. It's not a place I would live.
Tough decision. Happiness is number one. Amenities, infostructure, stability, and government. You already have a good climate ripe to grow fruit trees?
We have everything we need on Madeira! :) Literally
Real estate speculation by foreigners is making impossible for locals to buy or rent a house
Os ingleses faz décadas que compram casas em Portugal, principalmente no Algarve e ninguém se queixava,os portugueses continuam a comprar,a construir casas,o problema não é meia dúzia de americanos,canadianos, que compram ou arrendam casas,o problema é a imigração ilegal, eu quando emigrei o meu pai teve que arranjar uma casa para eu poder ir morar na Suíça, agora basta ir à junta de freguesia e dizer que tem uma proposta de emprego e dão autorização de residência
@@saragomes6242 não Sara. Os imigrantes "ilegais" sofrem o mesmo que nós. Casas com preços absurdos porque são constantemente compradas e revendidas a preços superiores (especulação) e cada vez mais por "investidores" estrangeiros as compram para fazer AL (os portugueses, eventualmente, ganham trocos a trocar lençois). No Algarve que refere o número de sem abrigo duplicou em poucos meses, e já que diferencia, os novos sem-abrigo são portugueses bem "legais"....
My dream destination? Maybe Iceland. Living in Madeira sometimes I miss the cold and the rain. I mean, this year we barely had winter! Also, the nature in Iceland is just WOOOOOW!
Iceland is very high on our list! But to live there? Never 😄! And yes this has been a very warm year but we can’t complain! 😃
Of all the countries that i've visited all over the world I must say that Iceland is the one I hate the most! It's a green desert, totally treeless., and joyless!
I miss your old style of content and video from the Lisbon days 😢
mexico in the next 10 years will be a great place to get in on the ground floor. for north americans, mexico might be a good choice. in europe perhaps sardinia, crete, rhodes ir cyprus. Asia, maybe georgia, azerbaijan, iran (if it could chill a bit)
Loved this video, the both of you make me laugh. I would choose Lisboa with a winter place in don’t laugh Albufeira! Just curious have you ever made a video on how you both meet?……….🤗🇨🇦
Can next video be the deep dive in where to in Italy ( Corsica, Sardinia or Garda or x?) and where in Greece (Thessaloniki, Corfu, Crete Or X?)
Also you forgot Malta, Cyprus, France, Balearic and Andorra - so next time? Para luego 👋
Maybe if we go there on a trip, we could do a video like that. We purposely left out Malta, Cyprus, France etc. Just not for us.
we want more guides trips xD
Just wondering if you guys ever assess the possibility of visiting or living in Taiwan...
I visited Sevilla when I was a kid and never forgot it, so yeah Spain would be it for me. Greece would be nice if Portugal didn't exist! Gotta love Amalie! lol
When your NHR 10 years runs out, will you consider moving to another country? If it we're me, I honestly would. I love Portugal but I'm not sure 48% tax + 23% VAT is worth it. Definitely need some kind of incentive to keep me there.
Well, let's see when that time comes. Don't forget to add TSU, which is 28% employer tax and 10% employee income tax. Pure insanity!
If i had all the money in the world, i would have multiple homes and live several months at a time in Madeira, Greece, Hawaii and India.
Yeah, honestly this is the best way to go. We would have a home in mainland Portugal, Greece and maybe Italy.
I should have taken action on Portugal earlier this year. Seems like their NHR will end Jan 1st 2024 or could be later in 2024.
What do you guys know on the date? has it been confirmed to end in January or nobody really knows when in 2024?
I can't live in this shitty weather no more and specially with our dumb crypto taxes. I did not know until a few weeks ago that the taxation on crypto is completely fucked up here. Asymetrical taxation and 53% and not enough money back when selling at a loss.
Dec 2024 nhr ends!!
Just push for Madeira independence and stay there (here) in beautiful Portugal.
Hehe, that would actually be amazing! :D
Let Madeira continue being part of Portugal, please. It would be so sad to see any of our archipelagos leave…
Ok. Because I like you, I tell you what the perfect place to live is. Food, weather, nature, people, safety, location. All on high level. Mountain in the sea. CORSICA
Corsica is actually high up on our list. Would LOVE to go!
My family and I are Portuguese, lived and visited many other countries but we came back again because it’s a relaxed family country with many good things: not too wet nor too hot or cold; good food and friendly people. Yes, politicians are the worse and therefore the country could be much better.
Where to (for you)?
- Lagos or Faro or Tavira (Portugal Algarve, nice weather, continental Europe, airport, nice connections)
- Denia (Spain)
- Palma (Mallorca, Spain)
- Florida USA (Max 6 months per year I think, but there are exceptions)
Wherever you are, we’ll keep watching your videos 😎 and perhaps visit you 🤣
Sorry to disagree with Joen. You do get 40° in humid weather! Last year North of England + London reached 40°C and it’s humid heat in Summer. It was unbearable. 26° in coastal Lisbon is very nice, but 26° in London is horrible. I’ve been to 51° in Morocco and I coped better. I hate humid heat. 😬
I have an idea. Amalie should move to Cape Verde n Joen move to Brasil to the Favelas.......Your puppy can move to St. Tropeiz........LOL
Lol. Would be a fun video!
I want to live in Portugal too but heard they made it too hard to buy now with 70% property tax for foreigners? Not sure if I have that exactly right. Second is San Miguel de Allende. Please tell us why you are considering leaving Portugal? You never said. You guys talk about not liking hot climates so why are you in Meridera then??
That's not true. Where did you read that? We're not considering leaving Portugal nor Madeira. We like warm and sunny climates, but not HOT. That's why Madeira is perfect as it's never too hot like Mexico and other places closer to equator.
I would live in Madeira :)
Great choice!
I'm biased because I'm Australian but even though it's expensive and far away from the world there still isn't anywhere else I'd pick over it. I've lived in Portugal also. I see being as far away from the rest of the world's BS to be a big plus 😊
I didnt read the comments but... Was Croatia on you list at any point ? >Go jul
I would choose Spain because it has the best and fastest roads that lead us to Portugal ... ❤😝
Hey Guys, why not Türkiye?!
Mauritius is a very nice place but you would easily get bored
the world's bs has a way of finding you no matter where you escape too. but if you are already there enjoy it. its only due to luck your ancestors didn't end up in canada.😅
Why do you want to leave Portugal?
Argentina is amazing but there is ZERO english spoken there. I hear Seville is great. Puerto Vallarta, MX will always be a favorite. Your thoughts on Italy rival my experiences there. My family is from there and I find the people very warm. The food comment is accurate though, they mainly eat italian food.
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Or 2° 🤷♂️
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Try Philippines!❤🎉
If not Portugal, Scotland!
Vietnam 🇻🇳
Not a bad choice! 😍
Korea!
Hi Amelie and Joan. Your videos are amazing, I like you both. The thematic in this video is really interesting. I am looking for a country with the characteristics you have mentioned. One question: can you find a very rich multimillionaire father for me? I am 63 years old, he must have around 80 years old. I will compensate you very well ❤ I am without a father from my 4 years old age. It is very sad for me. Thank you so much ❤
Naw, Bali is visually stunning but the climate suuucks... And it's pretty boring! Can't get me anywhere in the tropics and developing nations are just too much of a hassle for... almost anything. After a while it gets annoying.
I'd say if you have the budget... San Francisco, or near it (Marin, Santa Cruz... and no I don't have the budget) something like that. Perfect weather. It's my promised land. Madeira is great too, but meh... overall package is a bit lacking.
I live in Switzerland btw and I like it, so thank you for that Joen... the weather though! As to being uptight... I guess, but that's the price for a well functioning, highly developed nation. It's hard to beat if you need a job and appreciate great amenities and services.
omg, I think you are on the wrong channel! SF used to be a great place but now with the communist politics and the out of control homeless and crime, NO WAY!
Climate sucks?! WOOOT! Yes, it's a bit humid during wet season, but it's not unbearable. SF on the other hand is one of the last places we would live. Homelessness and crime is out of control. Everyone is leaving as the tech industry basically ditched having office space in order to save money and allow workers to work from home. I'm sure SF was amazing back in the day, but today it's a different story.
bali has started a massive underground train system
Really??
Human trafficking?
Love your videos……we all fantasize about the perfect place to live if you are poor…… but if money no object because you have crypto…… it is La Jolla or Del Mar in San Diego………there is nothing else that comes close…… yes taxes are crazy, life is expensive……. But paradise is worth it……. All these mosquito infested places you talk about are worthless to me….. or a country where no one wants to work or workers move like snails…. No thanks….. come visit……wine country just an hour away in Temecula…..ocean beaches footsteps away, perfect weather, great food, great healthcare.. grow everything in your backyard. Maybe too many babes in thongs…. Maybe they should cover up….. but omg it’s like Mexico but safer….. like Switzerland but warmer, like Portugal with hard workers, I could go on and on………..did I mention the thongs?
Thanks for your kind words. La Jolla is great. We went there in 2017 and actually have a few videos from there. I wouldn't live in California though. These insane prices of everything is too depressing. Even if you have money! Mosquitos are only a problem if your body is too acidic. If you are alkaline they won't bite you :)
if you ever come back to Cali we would meet you in Temecula... an hour north of La Jolla.....so many wineries for wine tastings and two places with great chefs..so much fun...very reasonable.......we just watched your old video in La Jolla....we actually go to Eddie V's for happy hours! Hodl!!!@@joenandamalie
North Pole...
Didn't care for the Greek people a bit. One of the most overrated countries ive been to.
Bali is not a country...
Who said it was? 😃
@@joenandamalie - Your logic. All the other possibilities are countries, not a specific part of them.
@@module79l28 In many ways Bali is just like a country since it's the only non-muslim place in all of Indonesia.
Go live in GAZA 😂😂😂
That is very insensitive and disrespectful given the situation right now. You should be ashamed making fun of that!
Do not come to Italy, you can eat only pasta, pasta, pasta .... pizza, pizza, pizza .... absolutely boring and the life is not good. Government is ....... absolute bad. It has been ages, about 40 years, since I started to wish to go away from Italy... I need money to go away from this country ....