Artillery and High-Explosive shells: Important Changes for 2021. Guide Park [World of Tanks]
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- World of Tanks is on the verge of massive changes. Revamped High-Explosive tank shells, reworked artillery, and completely new tools to counter SPGs-all this will become a part of our game very soon. This video will explain how to play under the new conditions and use all these new features to the best advantage. Enjoy!
00:00 - Intro
00:49 - Artillery and tools to counter it
01:24 - Artillery tracers
02:14 - Markers on the minimap
02:55 - Sound detection
04:25 - Artillery shells
08:40 - Revamped Intuition skill
09:49 - Improved SPG interface
10:49 - Changes to the mechanic for causing damage with HE shells
18:45 - New battle notification types
19:27 - Improved characteristics of a number of vehicles
20:13 - Outro
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To wrap the whole video up: hulldown tanks are now significantly stronger than ever before and you can prepare your wallet for the greatest credit heist in the history of WoT
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I feel like this rework is straight from the anger of "me hull down only" people getting slowly clapped by players slapping em with HE lmao
So now u can camp that angle the whole game. Fun and engaging gameplay forsure
What you mean the op and russian tanks. Twice ruined the fv4005
csak a he lőszer 10/1 fog betalálni olyan nagy szórás mellet xd az ro lőszerrel meg fele akkorákat lehet ütni mint ....
@@MrKarty01 laughs in defender
it's so strange that players giving massive feedback about artas and solutions as well , but wargaming never listen . that why many of them left the game
no, that's only you who left the game cuz it's not fun.
@@GamingWithBlitzThunder nope. lot of us did. He assumed many of us did and you assumed he was the only one.
players left because there is no point of playing. all you need is few broken tanks and you are all set.
Yeah and with this update Many more will leave.
@@GamingWithBlitzThunder a huge part of the player base especially the original players like me left the game
You've made the arty missions absolutely impossible. I fired a FULL load of alternative to do 5 crit hits to internal modules or crew and all I've gotten so far is 2. The burst radius is a joke, the damage is pathetic. This class is absolutely unplayable now, but for some reason you didn't change the arty requirements for the personal missions (or just do away with them altogether at this point).
This upgrade is an epic failure on your part.
Arty HE wasn't changed
@@bluecat9906 You can’t be serious..??? There are now two completely different HE shells that have different burst radiuses, stun/internal module damage mechanics, and differing damage potentials.
Originally you had an HE shell and a premium HE that just had a larger splash radius.
So please explain how arty HE didn’t change lmao.
Your fault for playing arty in the first place
@@Dutchman-2002 You can't skip all the Arty missions. And no "don't get the reward tanks lmao" isn't a good option
so 279e and chieftain are unstoppable now :*(
And that is why i see this game dead in 2-3 years,maybe even less...
279e is garbage and its entire niche thing that makes players think it's broken is stomping tier 8s into the ground, which the is4 does better cause it's slightly faster in general, has more HP, even dumber armor that can actually bounce gold rounds, and doesnt take 2 years of grinding missions to get; and chieftains suck in pubs compared to the sconq or kran, literally a tank that people complain about cause they either blindly push into the thing while its hulldown instead of falling back, or they dont challenge it at all and it gets to do whatever it wants to do for free and the chief player farms 5k damage as a result.
Literally just out play those by dabbing 2 key, tactical retreat to a camping spot/flanking them, or ask arty to focus them when they can
@@beigeyboi4925 yeah, tanks with 300+ gold pen will easily pen the upperplate. Obj 279e has defender syndrome, everyone thinks its op, and they are only OP in -2 matchmaking.
These tanks are not trash at all. Of course they can be defeated when using tactics but there are undoubtfully overpowerd and the is4 is absolutely not doing better than these tanks at anything...
@@sloppyhead5739 is4 has 0 weakspots on turret, inpenetrateable turret, extremely strong side armor, very good HEAT pen, decent upperplate and lowerplate. Its actually pretty good.
You did the tests with the players. But you did not listen to the players…
these HE changes still dont make any sense whatsoever, especialy the part where the HE works differently for arties and standard tanks? ok buddy, buff op tanks even more, gj wg
Did you watch the beginning of the video ? You can see when the arty is reloading and from which direction it fires. Its easy to avoid arty shell. So if you cant you deserve to be bombed with HE.
0,70- 0,77 es szórás melet a he lőszert nem érdemes használni a jól becélzott elenfelenél is előfordúl hogy 15-20 méterre mellé megy a lövedék xd
Main change. Less HE, more monees. Balance achieved!
Cry . You still have to aim with premium ammo . You act like premium ammo is some magically ammo that pens everything . If you actually used it you’d realise it has it limitations ,especially heat since it doesn’t pen spaced armour tracks or destructible cover. Whereas HE was just herp derp oh look a tank auto-aim magically gets 300 dmg and a million Crits for no skill
@@silent_6021 .....300 damage aye? with which guns? you dont roll up in an EBR and splash someone for 300 damage. 300 damage no matter where you hit is like a 152mm thing(and higher obv). and cool, you have to aim with prammo. valid point. until you realize the reason people are complaining about this. prem rounds are so stupidly expensive, and not only that, they have higher pen for the same damage. it is legitimately pay to win. with TD's, you kinda dont need to aim with prammo in tier 10. when everyone saw that the 3 arty shells did have a premium variant, im sure most people were a bit happy with that. take a look at blitz, their prammo does less damage for higher pen. and now with these premiums and hull down vehicles running around, it'll be hell for any f2p player. although i will admit, i like this change for superheavies but in another aspect, noone really uses HE against an e100. they just pen the turret with prammo. noone shoots HE at a maus, they just pen the cheeks with prammo. noone shoots he at a jagdpanzer e100, they just pen with prammo. the minority of people that use HEagainst superheavies are kinda gone now. theres only 2 things left that can go against superheavies now without prammo: arties(which noone likes), and TD's. what they did with the HE changes is BS, and hulldown vehicles will be stronger than ever. plus why remove the splash and make it pen obstacles??? it was logical that it didnt go thru obstacles because it would explode upon impact for ANYTHING.
On they credit card
So if i know my explosives well the HE got changed into low pen HEAT. Explosion is always volumetric and an explosion only at the point of impact is the definition of the heat shell in real life. Call it shaped charge too but thats still heat.
And an explosion in real life will always go the way of less resistance , thats how guns accelerate their projectiles, these changes make no sense in definition.
What made less sense was that the explosion got armor penetration values.
To feel more comfortable in a HT its not SPG-nerfs and HE shell remodeling that is the most needed, it as rebalance of the Gold ammo that is needed!
The kv-4 really suffers from gold :(
Well, time to remove the crew off my KV-2. Goodbye mighty tank of Stalin
The sad death of a derp
"so long,partner"
matchmaking with 3 artys be like: 4:52
It means, still The same 😂
Thats whats on my mind wg
You guys HAVE TO rework artillery missions wargaming. After the SPG change (biggest nerf in WoT history) the mission are now almost impossible to finish. Please take a look at the missions and update them. Thanks :)
Nerf to arty????
They HELP OUT arty players, man..
Pls open your eyes..
My god these new HE mechanics are stupid
My god my HE shells literally do damage only 20% of the time I actually hit now, why would anyone use howitzers now?
17:32 "Look for the spots with thin armour!"... uh, did you forget about the OBJ 279E? What about the hulldown Chieftain? What about the tanks without frontal weakspots that you too implemented!?
Shoot gold.
@@stivenstivensson4542 nice troll. show me where you can reliably pen 279e frontally with T-44, O-Ho, T-34-2, IS-M, Chrysler K, LTTB, TS-5, AT-15 and many more. Make a video, be famous.
Many tier 9 and 10 tanks cannot pen it properly and here you are claiming tier 8 can. Absolute joke.
@@malisa71 You know 279 has 2 cupolas right? Anyway, fighting a tier 10 frontally with a tier 8 is never a good idea.
obj 279e has quite big cupola, if you cant hit it your aim sucks or the obj279e knows what he's doing.
@@MakMak02 yeah, the left cupola is quite easy to hit too.
yeah rework the H.E. but you still face 3 spgs per game and they shoot the same tank always... it does not really fix the complete issue
it does if they do jack for damage arty is worthless now
only extermination of arty haters fixes whole issue
@@outfit5103 I agree, the salty people kept complaining so now arty deals on average 400 to 800 damage per shot. Even though the specs are still saying 1800 damage 😂
Arty has been nerfed so much and has no way to defend itself because even a direct hit at point blank range still onky deals 400 to 800 damage
I was hoping one of arty shell types would be smoke so that they could get involved in the vision game.
Something utility shells to aid the rest of team such as smoke is a nice idea. Problem is how are the artillery players to compensated when they fire a shell that has no capacity to damage an opponent? The game rewards damage and stunning.
@@markvine3814 I love this idea, they could program the smoke to work as spotted assist damage? Because that also rewards xp
@@markvine3814 they could do give points for players obscured by the smoke
real commedy is check out the comments and see how wargaming liked 1 of every 20 comment which has short and only positive ones . keep up the good work wargaming lol
Just remove arty campaign missions for the reward tanks and most of the arty players will go to play normal tanks.
There are only 2 grinds to do with arty in randoms, either going up the techtree or doing personal missions with them so please, don't force players to play arty every time someone wants to get the obj 260 because (and I talk from my own experience) its painful enough
@@CCL73 well .. my boss plays only ARTY, because he likes it, and he likes to slow gameplay where you can think and you are under no pressure :)
Nop, i like to play arty... playing arty is fun for me ! 😀
just remove arty missions and your expected amount of stun will actually decrease
@Pinned by Scott Manley reported
What about all of personal missions that include module damage, tracking and damage, spg (stuning) and who knows what else...??? Sorry new players but the chance to earn a tank is much less now, and if you want a new tank: PREMIUM STORE!!! (in other words: pay or bugger off!!!)
Sadly,but truly you said that,wg wants money>players
Dude, what are you even talking about?
Admitedly missions may get harder, but reward tanks don't have increased earnings and are good mostly for crew training.
Meanwhile, bond shop tanks like Liberte ARE premiums, however, and they are completely accessible for F2P, it's just bond grind.
And then comes the referral program.
Those missions will get reworked at some point if needed. You don't really know how things will change until you have at least a solid month or two of data on the live server. It's really a simple concept in game design, see how it works and then change it, not before.
Also FYI, when I started in 2011 it was unheard that you would get a free premium tank through, mission, marathon or anything really. Yet we kept playing. These days you are literally showered with stuff but you complain.
@@bestreplaysoftheweek ...and yet the player base is getting less and less with every patch... Players don't leave if things are getting better in game, they don't care about the gifts any more, if they get angry and frustrated playin a game that should be for fun and relaxation then it's AltF4 and uninstall... (just look at S.Foch, on that day how many more players followed his example...)
I thought world of ships was greedy now tanks has completely destroyed the game
As usual, great job on the video, terrible job on the changes. Balancing department is delusional or just clueless what is actually going on in the game.
Adding new shells new mechanics (tO lImiT aMounT of StuN ) bruh just remove arty missions or re-work it coz YOU NEED TO DEAL STUN DAMAGE so it doesn't change a thing or just limit only one arty per game coz Tier 10/9 is absolutely garbage with 3 cancer devices (new perk is useless for slow tanks) , 9 of 10 games is 3/2 jeffs per team just think wg think , just watch reaction of Skill4ltu DezGamez Quickybaby I only appreciate brighter tracers and nerfing M44 , new HE )
Nah,they are probably about to go now and release new premium tier 8 artilery just so they fart on your comment,and i also agree with you tho...
You have no idea. A simple movement from a heavy tank is enough for an arty shell to change from 300dmg to 50dmg. Shells take 2-4 seconds to arrive which is plenty of time to make it less effective
@@helohel5915 that one is so easy to pen with HE from the top/rear since it's a lot of effective armour Vs actual thickness.
Hull down the 4201 is a insane but that makes it stuck in that position, once it moves it's easy to nail
First those monkeys need to remove 3 arties from every single battle, they need to put one arty per battle, and that's automatically a huge balance
I really want to see how usefull new perk will be for slow tanks as ism , VK's ectr coz miss for 400/500 hp aint something new
sigh, you guys just cant listen to your player base...
1. HE is not the problem... Gold ammo is the problem
2. If you want to introduce sound detection as skill....(kinda usefull) give it to the radio operator. The commander is already burdened with tons of required skills, while the radio operator usually needs 3 (BIA, repairs, vision increase)
3. Artillery in itself is not the problem. Having 3 arty in one game 80% of the time is a problem. Reduce to 2 arty max.
4. The arty shell type really do not give players a choice. The only viable shells will be those with the largest splash radius due to the massive rng involved in hitting a target with arty.
Both HE and gold ammo were problems
Excellent suggestions
Gold ammo is just great :)
in most tanks that have 4 crew members commander is also radio operator so same problem and idk about limiting arty to 2 per team because in ranked they were limited to 2 per team and every game had 2 artys per team i think they should rework/remowe arty missions that will decrease arty in mm
1. HE shells have been spammed at hulldown tanks too many times...
2. Good idea TBH, but I don't think they'll change it at that point.
3. 50/50, arty needs more skill but 3 per battle are indeed excessive
4. Depends on SPG in question
I've been a player since 2015, and this isn't the game I started playing World of Tanks with, it's something else.
It's time to uninstall, thanks WG for nothing. You'll never smell my money again. Never.
Я игрок с 2015 года, и это не та игра, в которую я начал играть в World of Tanks, это что-то еще.
Пришло время удалить, спасибо WG ни за что. Вы больше не будете нюхать мои деньги. Никогда.
I agree I have been playing since 2011 and I don't want to play anymore. After they introduced the swedish tank destroyers (which was a good addition) it's been going downhill hard. Before that there was some stuff that was bad. But after the swedish tds it's mostly been bad.
Same bro since 2015. Worst update since the game came out. So disappointed.
I played WoTs since 2010 and there are alot of funny thing during that time. But then WG slowly ruined everything one by one. They doesn't listen to us. No wonder many players have left the game and don't come back.
The ratio of likes to dislikes speaks volumes lmao
Yes it reminds WoT why they ignore all player comments and do only what makes them most money
Imagine saying that they have the majority vote on some russian forum, then on the actual youtube website more than half the votes are a straight NO, the other quarter are people who have yet to touch HE, or have only been slapped by it at tier 5
All their work for nothing... And it would be sooo simple. Reduce arty only one per battle and all would be happy. No need for this changes...
Lmao have you thought about the time in queue
@@mintyminxduo Who cares about queue if its 50 sec as now or 170. I personally would wait 3 min to get a battle with only one Arty against me. And i will not be alone...
@@dartwing8785 queue time would be longer for arta players only, which is good.. at least those morons start playing class which requires skill and knowledge
@@KenBarrens Right
Can you make a video about penning a T95/FV4201 in hull-down position pls?
Commanders hatch but i advise you to fall back and let him come out of hulldown
And under the gun but its not 100% guaranteed that you are gonna pen
The new arty HE shells should have been named "Timed" and "Impact." Their new functions would reasonably match those real types of artillery fire. Timed/airburst HE would affect a larger area and could be reasoned that it needs a slower velocity to decrease the margin of timing error, while an impact fuze would affect a smaller area with greater damage.
here comes the hull down meta!! whoo!
Imagine that 60TP has BOTH strong turret AND scary HE shell.
At least now the fight will be even.
BTW, arty is supposed to crack hulldown tanks...
@@anonim-8572 I wouldn't say that 60tp has strong turret...
@@youlaughyouphill842 to be invincible in one spot? Ok...
@@youlaughyouphill842 We are talking about hull down tanks in general. But I'm not surprised about a hull down player intelligence after reading your comment. I am not even a HE spammer, gold is better anyways.
@@youlaughyouphill842 ok bro keep playing hull down and think you are pro xD.
9:45 Studying theories and equations in school be like
@@youlaughyouphill842 r/woooosh 😂
I wasn't talking about the theories and equations. It's about how normally they are delivered poorly by teachers who are just too lazy to explain or don't have that passion within them and just told students to remember it robotically.
@@_itsdmd_ Hes right tho. Proofs are hard. If you are interest, you have internet to find it yourselfe. And yes, some teachers are aslo lazy :)
I dont really need info on arty, I know ALL enemy arty is targetting ME
😂 Well if your the top tank on the enemy team I'd target you first too mate, an Artys only job is to support its team and the best way to do that is to target the most powerful tanks first, well that's onky true if the arty player actually knows how to do teamwork. Plus I wouldn't worry about arty anymore because 9 times out of 10 they onky do 800 damage max unless theyre extremely lucky and hits your ammorack
cant wait for all the 0dmg shots with 183 against grille 15 and ebr
Don't need to wait, reporting from the future where it already happens to my 122mm T44
@@compuguy123 "screen not penetrated"
@@nikolaidotsenko1718 shot about 12 rounds in my T-44, then uninstalled because my team got wiped and out of 8 hits I did 0 damage from scouts to heavies
who has t95 Chieftan and obj279e rules the game ..., if they make hull down players cant kill em
Just like IS-7, T110E3, Obj 705A, IS-4, Badger and Kranvagn
does the new intuition work for autoreloaders or did you forget that?
How do you zoom in with arty if u have trajectory on scroll wheel
Why you didn't change artilery missions according to this in new patch? It's like you delivering new car without wheels.
I highly doubt this HE change is good when you play like tier 8 tank versus tier 10 tank. At least old HE shells let you do SOME damage if you were lucky. It seems to me that now you cannot do any damage at higher tier heavy tanks with HE shell. Not a good change. Would have been better to nerf certain few tanks which were and probably still are a problem after patch. But whatever we'll see..
60TP is pretty much the only tank that was causing any significant issues when it comes to HE because it had both armor and a big HE gun. Now they did away with a fun mechanic just because of this one tank lol...
Arty shell without stun = pointless... the damage from the team is usually worth way more then your own damage.
The fact that the HE exploding under a tank does no damage, that's not acceptable, it's high-EXPLOSIVE, not high-disappointment or sth
Tank armor is designed to protect from shrapnel and fragments.
HE shell is going to more reliably penetrate side armor of squishy light vehicles due to track/sideskirt penetration though
@@anonim-8572 the armor below the tank are less thick. Mostly 10-30mm, those armor can't withstand a big HE shell explosion (122-150mm) realistically.
Aaawww get skilled
@@joshuadaniel8508 There is plenty of space to dissipate this explosion, though admittedly arty uses the same calibers and gets to splash enemies.
At that point all I can do is to shrug, point at game balance and say that that splinters from HE hitting Maus turret front not damaging engine deck are not realistic either, and that is one of the factors why the change greatly benefits Maus.
@@stupidazzdriverssad9111 Yeah, screw clever uses of HE mechanics, spamming GOLD is the real skill...
Even though I personally don't see the point of HE changes I understand why you did them. What I don't understand, however, is why you changed the fact that you could splash enemies and not shoot through objects with it.
I don't understand how this is something so gamebreaking that you had to remove it, as far as I know it was just an unexpected and useful way to leverage your knowledge of the game's mechanics to your advantage.
Examples:
Like hiding behind a small obstacle when a deathstar is aiming at you, knowing that he'll not even hit you if he first hits that object
Or when a low HP enemy is hiding around a corner and you're able to just splash the ground to kill them
WG updating everything that doesn't need to be fixed while leaving key issues out. like idk 3 arties in a game, or 3 ebrs, or chieftains/ 279e always destroying. you add in the current version of field modification and it's over for the game tbh
Sir. Have you heard of positioning? You will find much more success in dealing with 279e's and chieftains if you dont just spam HE at their turrets and tracks.
@@girf4233 thanks i have. but the issue is that i love playing heavy tanks, and trying to reposition in them takes ages. wot slowly has become a game that relies on speed and not really on heavy so i pretty much quit lol
I see this game dead in 2-3 years,maybe not even that long tbh
@@cosmicdistortion4350 This change heavily will favor heavy armor and disfavor light flankers, dude.
The former will no longer have fragments packed into their thin roofs from explosions in turret front and the latter will have their trollish wheels and tracks made inefficient protection against HE.
This change turns HE from anti-anything to anti-soft-target
@@Milumani Many did so 2-3 years ago, and yet here we are
Hmmm.. when you say armor thickness on HE, does that apply on thin armors but is angled like the IS-7's upper front hull?
It's pretty pointless to have different shell types for arty when you have a half hour reload time. Different shells for different situations is only useful when you have 5sec or less reload. I miss the arty shell sound hitting the tank, metal on metal singing .... now it's a floof of sparks and disney animation. too bad, back to steam I go.
Intuition perk becomes suddenly useful for arty. Still there are not so many situations where I would switch.
just did a match in the Maus to debate this point:
HE Rework - nobody asked for it, you only catered to the Clan War Players because they were being dealt with in the T95/FV4201. soon as half the enemy team saw me and bounced normal AP, they flung so much gold at me they could make California blush.
Gold ammo spam is a major and significant problem in the game for tanks that NEED to rely on armor.
In the description for HE arty shells, it says that damage to internal modules and crew is possible upon penetration. Does this mean no arty shell is capable of causing internal module damage without penetrating anymore? I ask this because in the article on the portal, "Sandbox Test: Reworked SPG Mechanics - FAQ", it states "Also, unlike standard ammo, the alternative shell will be able to damage internal modules and injure the crew.". What am I to make of this? Does standard ammo just never cause internal damage even when penetration is achieved? Or do alternative shells still do internal damage and it's just written incorrectly or incompletely in the info card?
For the stun shell there isnt module damage on splash, I dont know if it does damage if it pens but I doubt it.
For the damage HE round that doesnt have stun it still does module damage on splashes/non pens as well as on pens.
And obviously the AP round does module damage which means taking dead eye on your arty isnt a waste of a skill anymore, which is nice
Thanks, but you didn't differentiate between internal and external modules.
I like how all the T10 arty have T1 DPM in exchange for such powerful AP shells.
These AP shells are useless because the shooting is very inaccurate.
Now it time to sell t49, Sheridan, m4, kv2, fv4005 and all my spgs, good bye.
Dont change HE ‼️
So, I have to spend all my credits on gold ammo if HE became useless against hull monsters?
These changes are terrible
Some of my favorite tanks like the T49 have been considerably nerfed by this
It's really annoying to see the tanks I unlocked through hours and hours of grinding become obsolete due to an ammunition rework
Took you guys long enough to make one.
Changes is nice and all, but why did the new skill have to be on the busiest crew member aka the comander. Could you change it to radio guy or maybe loader. If you wont change it, might as well make sixth sense avaible for all vehicle
How about when you SHOOT AP and in the side of a tank and still say Screen Not Penetrated, what about THAT?
It Is difficult to complete SPG missions on campaign missions. They should change also the conditions as it is harder to deal dammage for SPG's
WG: "Introduce two HE shells for SPG"
Me: This is getting out of hand..now there are two of them...
Nice job ruining a game where a 183mm hesh shell does no damage to the side of a EBR anymore if you hit the RUBBER tires
a gun with 200mm+ of caliber does 150 dmg per shot to a tank from above, while others does the double?
I think free to play player can leave this game now. If this is what WG has decided to do might as well cater to the pay 2 win player. You know, just put the price tag on the game and add lootboxes for each season.
The battlepass is just the upgraded version of a lootbox. Same thing u just know what u are getting
The game isn't designed for freeloaders to enjoy. Freeloaders are given a free ride so they can either decide to pay their way or be punching bags and HP pinyatas for the people who pay the way.
All arties are fubar but not only arty will suffer . It also means LTs are spotting for nothing and get less damage upon spotting . Introducing AP shells to all high tier arties is just not the brightest idea as long as the accuracy has been nerfed . There is no point on loading AP if you know that there is 99.99 chances to miss the target and do 0 dmg . The less annoying HE has the splash radius smaller than the gun dispersion , that means you always hit one meter further away from the target than the distance required to do damage . The first HE shell type , the annoying one , will get more xp for arty for stunning and less xp for almost no damage done . In other words , all LT and SPG missions are simply close to impossible to complete . Of course in this presentation is shown the one AP round that hit , one out of few millions shot and missed , and not shown the AP round with 370mm pen that hits a target with 40mm armor and bounce . I think all test results in the Test Server are corrupted and implementing them in the live servers will lead to some decrease in DPM (Dollars per Minute) . What makes me say that ?! First of all only tier 10 vehicles were tested , mostly without the participation of the vehicles that were subject for the changes . Second , All vehicles in the test were equipped with improved equipment and all skills crew and all this was expected to performe just as well with normal equipment and no skills crew . Third , there is no point in buying premium tanks or/and premium account to enter in a game where everything that could be considered as fun is systematically removed from the game .
WG should release how many prem ammo was used before and after this patch
Me seeing 1.1k likes and 1.1k dislikes: "Perfectly balanced... as all things should be."
Lol that's the only thing balanced about this video...
How about having a option in which people can pick if they want to be put in match making with artillery?.....
No change to MMing, and new HE shells mechanics from Science-Fiction books. This game is becoming more and more on the verge of Isaac Asimov's books.
When are the Wargaming adverstisements changing : "Historical vehicles with less and less reality mechanics" ?
Those arty changes are risky, very risky...
And as for those HE shells... If it aint broke don't fix it.
What about missions? are u going to change them ?
This means you cant even do 50 dmg to donkerers and 279e s, and they just load the gold and you´re screwed, or hit a wheel in an ebr with high explosive and no dmg if theres nothing behind?? HE wasnt even a problem to begin with, just buffing heavys, what is an is3 supost to do when it finds an 279e? Shoot HE? No damage, Flank? Get recked by campers, camp? c´mon.. and WHY the hell have Sound Detecion on the commander??? TF?? We already have 30 skills on an commander and want more, why no on the radio operator? Its "Sound", I have no idea why they dont listen to players, and still the politic "no nerfing premiums", they nerfed all the ebrs except the premium one, I have that one and dont mind, keeping the balance of the game is important
Saying HE wasn’t a problem indicates you have a low iq to the majority of good players
@@silent_6021 how was HE a bigger problem than most of the problems the game has? Prem ammo, op tanks, arty and more? You re on WG side? Damn.. you got so personally attacked by my opinion that you felt needed to insult me, I feel bad for you, Im a good player and being playing for a lot of years, but if I was not, my opinion was still worth it, but then again, you might just be a troll and Im wasting my time
@@silent_6021 majority of good players have NO PROBLEM with HE, they can even use it against low IQ player. Or maybe it's just you are a "good" player with low IQ to indicate it as a problem :)
You don’t speak for the good playerbase because you clearly haven’t spoken to any of them
@@danielmorais1955 A)prem ammo is fine b) there’s like 1 OP tank at t10 c) I enjoy insulting people as it’s the best way to get a response
This means artys will try to kill artys every time in the first 3 minutes.. 😓
Sadly - No...
Honestly, I couldn't care less about it. I thought let them have their serieus reduced fun, most players in arty already didn't do much damage in a battle, now everybody does even less. My average damage with artillery of lately dropped immediatly with around 35%-50%. And I'm an arty player that with alot of the arty's get in the top 10 of monthly beta hall of fame. The nr 1 is not strange to me either. But now, do not rely to much anymore on the support of artillery.
Yeiii, more arty features, exactly what we need, now everybody will play even more arty just to see how it is. What we need is an artilery with double HP, so we can have less chances to one shoot them.
Well actually better armour or double hp would be a good thing. I'm an arty player and always support my team. Artys have been nerfed so hard since the games release to the point that even with gold shells I only deal 400 to 800 damage, where the death start deals double that.
I've lost count on how many times my team has abandoned me to die and Artys can't defend themselves because even if they're loaded 8 times our if 10 they'll miss and the 2 time out of 10 they'll only deal small damage even at point blank range.
So because we can all be practically one shotted by every tank in the game its not fair to have no defences when the teams are stupid or abandoned you
yeah, 3 shells type mandatory for arty, and they are capped at 20 shells :( I always remain without shells in most of the games :(
Players: Nerf 279e!!
War Gaming: Ok we will nerf HE to make him even more invencible, FOR THE RUSSIAN BIAS
So went are the ebrs getting removed ?
We don´t have plans for that :) -DelhRoh
so bloody scared about announcing this they made a separate video from the main update video, just in case they need to sweep it under the carpet!
hmmmm i didn´t hear something about that bullshit "Penetration loss coefficient was removed for HE shells passing through destructible objects (for example: fences). For screens and modules (including tracks and wheels), the additional armor penetration loss remained." WTF WG all Heat sticks to objects but HIGH EXPLOSIVE can fly through without explosion, find the Mistake
They literally stated they were adding that purely for the issue of HE rounds perma tracking people while angled during the second common test as well as when they dropped the pen coefficient off when HE goes through obstacles when they released the third common test, so sorry you dont ever keep up with the game and that it pisses you off, sucks to suck idiot
You really should've taken more time with the HE changes instead of rushing it out already.. not liking this
AP could be good for counter arty. If you dont oneshot the enemy (Aka hit it), you might not scare it away from its position.
I think i finally have a reason to grind to the BC arty with clip.
I have the "155 58". I have had it for years and currently have a 5 skill crew. Before arty changes a few years ago the "155 58" could fire 4 shells in a clip instead of 3 as now with a fast (4 second) interclip reload and with a third more damage (>1000). The other change was a reduction in engine power so that it could not run away as easily, which I have no idea why this change was thought necessary.
AP rounds on a autoloading SPG mean a lower damage yield since many shots will not hit the target and many that do will not penetrate solid armour or due to hitting tracks of being deflected.
AP/HEAT rounds are best employed at point blank to closer ranges against targets that HE will not penetrate or do much damage against, but where a penetrating AP round will cause notably more damage.
Problem being is that artillery does not have the luxury to switch shells to meet changing condition because of very long loading times.
Whatever SPG you user, take nearly all standard HE shells with a very few AP shells. Don't bother the "middle" type HE shell.
i play this game since 2011.
I've never seen so much badmouthing artys when we have wheeled tanks!
Now HE modified? because of artys? why?
There is no logic
FOR THE LOVE OF WOT! Please PLEASE give the option to reduce the in tank sound levels of explosions when your tank is hit. It's deafening!
can't you just lower the volume settings?
@@AprofessorAThe other sounds are fine. If I lower the sound settings then the rest become too low.
@@Trusteft seems like a small problem indeed. i guess you'll have to get used to it. maybe try going to the world of tanks discord and asking there
@@AprofessorA A small problem indeed? Perhaps if you don't mind the ridiculously high level of the sound effect. If you do though, it's a HUGE problem.
@@Trusteft i'm sorry, didn't mean to be rude. i'm just trying to help
One HE shell stuns, but the other HE shell doesn't. HOW DOES THAT EVEN MAKE ANY SENSE??? One of the WORST updates WG has ever released and they have no plans on any retractions. Its fine, the game will just die faster than it already is.
You realize that HE wasn't the problem for super heavys right? its that all the enemy have to do is load premium and they can go right through your turret.. Nerf Premium not HE... Yall are out of touch.
That new skill should be on the radio operator not the commander. They have to much skills already or give it to everyone automatically as a setting options which is what it should have been.
soo... artys gonna have ap ammo back?
So basically if you have kv-2 and you have yellow indicater on lets say tiger you will not penetrate and you will cause like 100-160 dmg but before you would cause at least 300-400
Well time to remove the crew
One arty for team mabe ?
Well, intuition skill is awesome except when you are using it on Progetto 65 or any other auto-reloading guns. You must reload the full mag (roughly 46 sec) just to activate the skill, which loads only 1 shell in the mag.... Why would you even try to do this, if you already have 4 shells loaded. You have literally better chances to deal dmg with 4 normal shells than 1 gold one. +Meanwheile standard autoloaders changing their full clip in no time.
Massive nerf to autoloading guns like IS3a, Obj 703, and all the Italian auto-loader heavys and meds. If you already reloaded all the shells, then they should have the buff too, of course, according to the loading time of each one, one by one.
The other changes are fine, except that we still don't know how much they buffed for example m60, and we still have 3 arty games. And t92 should receive rather some top speed buff if they really want to buff it.
this is just making SPGs more and more useless. Each time there is a major update they always make them more weaker and more pointless on the battlefield. I'm surprised why they don't remove SPGs all togather.
as a high cal he user, i knew that thicker armor=less damage, i guessed it, yet i still dont take it into play lol
i shot 13 tanks with less armour than 86mm with the 152mm canon on the KV-2. all of then did not penetrate the armour that was around 30-60mm and the angle was flat... this games makes no sense.
Great update
to summarise, everyone is still gonna be spamming gold ammo and the players in tanks don't care about HE shells
how about spg campaign missions
If i am in a slow heavy tank i olwase get trackd and can not escape the eneny so i allways rely on my hering
I sincerely doubt these changes really took the voting of the players into account. A shame I never got to play 60 TP with he, too long to research.
Is HE suck that bad now, most of the time i use to play i would spam HE out of (Russian) TD's and the 50tp proto..lol
when will you realize that you should just remove the arty missions
the time of he has passed but the time of prem ammo spam is still her ;) wish we had old armour models
How to make strong armored tanks survive more.
Make gold ammo limited.
The end.
Then get chewed by arty?
Just played a few battles with my KV-2 in this new update, I just ''bounced'' the flat side of a Cromwell and no damage to a KV-3 4 times in a row... It's worse than I've expected, MUCH WORSE.
Total disregard of all the players who use HE to save credits and/or to damage a tank that you can't pen, even with gold. This game just got a lot more unbalanced and depressing...
so the HE got replaced by APHE o.O?
But.. no tank every sits perfectly plain. As this will affect SPGs more than any other tank, thanx for yet another SPG-nerf..
Will this 3 shell types apply to all arty? Even those that currently only have a single type? Given that arty accuracy is already nerfed and more is due, I remain unconvinced so far.
I'll wait and see what happens in practice, but all these "here be arty" indicators are simply pandering to the dedicated arty-haters, the incompetent and those who simply don't want to learn. In the vast majority of Random maps/matches, any player of any level who is paying attention can very quickly work out where the arty is because there aren't that many spots available to arty where they can't be seen. (Hmmm. Wonder why they brought in those dumb wheelies???)