I just bought my first truck 2020 f150 XLT 2 weeks ago and I appreciate the information on this video, it’ll help me make a more informed decision while budgeting and planning for upgrading the suspension on my truck in the future .
Love to hear it! Lots of good options for that truck now, pay attention to going up driveways, potholes / speed bumps, and how the truck reacts AFTER the bump.
Thanks for the great video. I have a stock FJ cruiser and I’m looking to have a 1.5-2 inch lift and 33 inch tires. I’m not sure which suspension upgrade I should go for. I want an upgrade that gives me a smoother ride in my everyday drive and also give me good capabilities for off road sand driving. I appreciate your recommendation on which model I should go for?
Fox just released a Performance Elite version of their 2.5 coilovers and shocks which are a little bit more plush and would be a perfect choice from the Fox line. Since you already will want an aftermarket upper control arm to make clearing those 33s easier, you can run the extended travel parts for a little more useable wheel travel even if you do not plan on running the full 3" of lift they are capable of
I have a 21 Tundra. I would like to upgrade the shoks and struts only. I am interested in 2.5 Kings with adjusters, but I want to keep the factory height. Can you give me a quote?
They would close to like a BP51 because of the internal bypass that both the TRD Pro Fox and OME BP51 come with. But they are not close to the Fox 2.5 DSC as they don't have the reservoir or the adjustable feature.
I keep hearing high speed off roading, what speed are we talking about. I ask, because we are limited to under 60mph on our sand islands and beaches in Australia, so I was wondering if a 2.0 ifp for my fj cruiser would be enough as that’s all they offer here in fox.
when we talk speeds, we mean shaft speeds. So 30mph through very tough terrain bouncing off bumpstops constantly would be categorized as high speed. when the piston and shaft speeds of the shock are high, then thats where the high speed compression and rebound damping comes into play. Low speed is cruising the beaches with barely any suspension movement, but you could be doing 60. Hope that makes sense.
Question 1 Does Fox plan on releasing 3.0’s for the Ram 1500? Question 2 on the 2.5 DSC, can you adjust the settings to limit washboard effects but also keep body roll limited?
We have not heard Fox have any plans for 3.0s for Ram 1500s. Their sales on the 2.5s are fairly slow, so they will likely need to see more numbers for that application before they decide to make a 3.0. What you are describing in question two is the main benefit of the DSC. Most of your bump stiffness is tuned on the high speed knob and body roll and unwanted body motions are managed on the low speed knob.
@@ShockSurplus awesome thanks for the feedback. A few weeks ago I swapped my stock bilsteins with the fox 2.0 purchased through you guys. Night and day improvement in ride comfort with little to no additional body roll. In the future I would like to get the small road imperfections/washboard tuned out even more.
What would you recommend for a 2018 F-150 . I don't do off road. But I do load and haul from time to time. Oh and I'd like to life about 2 or 3 inches. Thanks.
It really depends on how much you want to spend. We know people want to be as budget-friendly as possible and some are spending high investments just to have the parts although they don't do any off-roading. Contact our sales team for further assistance: www.shocksurplus.com/pages/contact-us
How would you rate the Fox Factory Race Series 2.5 Internal Bypass with DSC to the 3.0 in the video, closest thing I can find to those 3.0’s but will fit in a JK Wrangler, Cheers!
They're going to feel very similar, maybe a little tighter than the 3.0s, but definitely one of the better options for the JK. www.shocksurplus.com/products/fox-2-5-factory-series-internal-bypass-w-dsc-shocks-set-for-2007-2018-jeep-wrangler-4wd-rwd-w-2-5-4-lift
It depends on what you are looking for but if you are happy with the Bilsteins now there is no reason fixing what ain't broke. It is hard to beat those 4600s for the price point.
Good morning everyone. I have a 2019 ram 1500 classic diesel. I would like a 3-4 inch lift. I do a lot of heavy towing and some offroad. What do you recommend?
Getting those lift heights will be a little hard, but if you can live with 2-2.5", you would likely be very happy with a set of Bilstein 6112s and 5160s
What kind of springs match up with Fox 2.0 IFS shocks I have icon springs but I feel like they are not designed to work together just my opinion from my the ride quality quality
It depends on the vehicle, but for the most part you will want to measure from the center of the wheel to the top of the wheel well or fender opening to determine your initial height. From there, many of the coilovers and struts give you recommended preload measurements for various lift heights in their instructions. If they do not give you an idea of out-of-the-box lift height or where 1" of lift is on the coilover itself, you will have to install the coilovers to see where they are. We recommended taking it around the block a couple times to settle first, and then repeat your measurements from the first step if you are unhappy with where it is sitting at the out-of-the-box settings. Once you have determined how much lift they are at out of the box, and the instructions do not give you a recommended preload setting for the lift height you want, then you will want to get an idea of motion ratio. Toyotas and Nissans have about a 2:1 motion ratio while everything else with independent front suspension is around 1.5-1.75:1. Motion ratio is the ratio of wheel travel to shock travel with 2:1 indicating for every 2" of wheel travel the strut, shock, or coilover will only compress or extend 1". You can roughly determine the motion ratio by measuring the distance between the frame pivot bushings and ball joint on the lower control arm as well as where the shock is mounted relative to those points. If let's say your lower control arm is 20" from bushing to ball joint and the front coilover mounts 10" from the frame pivot bushings or basically the middle of the arm, that is a 2:1 motion ratio. If that shock was mounted 13" from the frame pivot bushings and 7" from the ball joint that leaves you with right around 1.5:1 motion ratio (1.538:1 to be exact). Basically, you just divide control arm length by the distance from the frame pivots to where the shock is mounted, and you should be in the ballpark for motion ratio. From there, you will have a rough preload adjustment needed for the lift height you are looking for. If let's say you are at 2" of lift out of the box on something with a 2:1 motion ratio and you would like to drop to 1" of lift, a good place to start would be by backing off preload by half an inch. That motion ratio should mean that a half-inch change at the coilover equates to around an inch at the wheel. If you are at the same height with something with a 1.5:1 motion ratio and need a 1" drop you would back off preload by 2/3". This is not a perfect science, since oftentimes springs will start to act a little differently as you get to the extremes of their recommended preload range, but it is a good way to at least get close enough to your desired height that any further adjustments can be eyeballed.
We just did a quick check on both the Gladiator Mojave Trim with the Fox 2.5 Internal Bypass with External Reservoir compared to the Fox 2.5 DSC. OEM Jeep Fox 2.5 Internal Bypass with External Reservoir and comes with a 1" front lift. It does not have any adjustment control. Fox 2.5 DSC does not have the Internal Bypass but does come with an External Reservoir. These also come with the DSC feature that provides low and high-speed compression adjustment. They offer variation iterations as well for different lift heights. The next option that would be like the OEM Fox 2.5 but with more features would be the Fox 3.0 series. Which has the OEM Fox 2.5 Internal Bypass and all the features like the Fox 2.5 DSC but in a 3" body.
@@ShockSurplus good explanation. Are the mojave 2.5 worth keeping or upgrade? I'm assuming I'd definitely have to replace if I install a 2" lift being the travel or length. Thanks in advance
Out of the box it's quite a good shock as is. However, if you're planning to build to more for off-roading, losing the internal bypass would give less comfort but the Fox 2.5 DSC would work for lifted application and provide more control while off-roading.
Ok so my parents are getting the Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited and our home is on about 2 miles of dirt rough road which ones would be the best option for that and like weekly mild off-roading? Thanks in advance
Not with anything that would be off the shelf or direct fitment. No one really lifts a Mazda 3 but if you have a will and way, you can custom make a kit for yourself.
@@ShockSurplus all spare parts of Ford explorer 2006 I purchased From showroom genuine parts but suspensions I want powerful like king like fox like icon only but you say unfortunately not available😭😭
I just bought my first truck 2020 f150 XLT 2 weeks ago and I appreciate the information on this video, it’ll help me make a more informed decision while budgeting and planning for upgrading the suspension on my truck in the future .
Love to hear it! Lots of good options for that truck now, pay attention to going up driveways, potholes / speed bumps, and how the truck reacts AFTER the bump.
Thanks for the great video. I have a stock FJ cruiser and I’m looking to have a 1.5-2 inch lift and 33 inch tires. I’m not sure which suspension upgrade I should go for. I want an upgrade that gives me a smoother ride in my everyday drive and also give me good capabilities for off road sand driving. I appreciate your recommendation on which model I should go for?
Fox just released a Performance Elite version of their 2.5 coilovers and shocks which are a little bit more plush and would be a perfect choice from the Fox line. Since you already will want an aftermarket upper control arm to make clearing those 33s easier, you can run the extended travel parts for a little more useable wheel travel even if you do not plan on running the full 3" of lift they are capable of
I have a 21 Tundra. I would like to upgrade the shoks and struts only. I am interested in 2.5 Kings with adjusters, but I want to keep the factory height. Can you give me a quote?
Where would the Toyota TRD Pro Fox Shocks fall at with these other Fox shocks in comparison?
They would close to like a BP51 because of the internal bypass that both the TRD Pro Fox and OME BP51 come with. But they are not close to the Fox 2.5 DSC as they don't have the reservoir or the adjustable feature.
I keep hearing high speed off roading, what speed are we talking about. I ask, because we are limited to under 60mph on our sand islands and beaches in Australia, so I was wondering if a 2.0 ifp for my fj cruiser would be enough as that’s all they offer here in fox.
when we talk speeds, we mean shaft speeds. So 30mph through very tough terrain bouncing off bumpstops constantly would be categorized as high speed. when the piston and shaft speeds of the shock are high, then thats where the high speed compression and rebound damping comes into play. Low speed is cruising the beaches with barely any suspension movement, but you could be doing 60. Hope that makes sense.
Thank you for sharing this information. Im looking to make a purchase soon and trying to do research. We all appreciate it.
Our pleasure!
What do you recommend for a 2019 polaris rzr 900 trail 50" eps
Question 1 Does Fox plan on releasing 3.0’s for the Ram 1500?
Question 2 on the 2.5 DSC, can you adjust the settings to limit washboard effects but also keep body roll limited?
We have not heard Fox have any plans for 3.0s for Ram 1500s. Their sales on the 2.5s are fairly slow, so they will likely need to see more numbers for that application before they decide to make a 3.0. What you are describing in question two is the main benefit of the DSC. Most of your bump stiffness is tuned on the high speed knob and body roll and unwanted body motions are managed on the low speed knob.
@@ShockSurplus awesome thanks for the feedback. A few weeks ago I swapped my stock bilsteins with the fox 2.0 purchased through you guys. Night and day improvement in ride comfort with little to no additional body roll. In the future I would like to get the small road imperfections/washboard tuned out even more.
What would you recommend for a 2018 F-150 . I don't do off road. But I do load and haul from time to time. Oh and I'd like to life about 2 or 3 inches.
Thanks.
It really depends on how much you want to spend. We know people want to be as budget-friendly as possible and some are spending high investments just to have the parts although they don't do any off-roading.
Contact our sales team for further assistance:
www.shocksurplus.com/pages/contact-us
How would you rate the Fox Factory Race Series 2.5 Internal Bypass with DSC to the 3.0 in the video, closest thing I can find to those 3.0’s but will fit in a JK Wrangler, Cheers!
They're going to feel very similar, maybe a little tighter than the 3.0s, but definitely one of the better options for the JK.
www.shocksurplus.com/products/fox-2-5-factory-series-internal-bypass-w-dsc-shocks-set-for-2007-2018-jeep-wrangler-4wd-rwd-w-2-5-4-lift
Great content guys 🤙🏽🔥🔥🔥🔥
Much appreciated!
Great video! I want a new system on my '18 GMC this info was helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
I’ve got a stock 2001 Ford F150 in excellent condition. I have the 4600 now, looking for something different or should I stay with what I’ve got?? 4x4
It depends on what you are looking for but if you are happy with the Bilsteins now there is no reason fixing what ain't broke. It is hard to beat those 4600s for the price point.
I'm going to add the sway away torsion bar kit, will the 4600 still have enough?? 2001 f 150 4x4.
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Good morning everyone. I have a 2019 ram 1500 classic diesel. I would like a 3-4 inch lift. I do a lot of heavy towing and some offroad. What do you recommend?
Getting those lift heights will be a little hard, but if you can live with 2-2.5", you would likely be very happy with a set of Bilstein 6112s and 5160s
What kind of springs match up with Fox 2.0 IFS shocks I have icon springs but I feel like they are not designed to work together just my opinion from my the ride quality quality
which vehicle and what size Icon springs?
I have a LC 80 SERIES and im thinking about getting fox .. what would u recommend ..
They do not have 2.5s or 3.0s for the 80 series but the 2.0s work great even if it is stock height.
How do you pre measure your height before you put the shocks on? Say i wanted a 1 inch lift, where do i measure from?
It depends on the vehicle, but for the most part you will want to measure from the center of the wheel to the top of the wheel well or fender opening to determine your initial height. From there, many of the coilovers and struts give you recommended preload measurements for various lift heights in their instructions. If they do not give you an idea of out-of-the-box lift height or where 1" of lift is on the coilover itself, you will have to install the coilovers to see where they are. We recommended taking it around the block a couple times to settle first, and then repeat your measurements from the first step if you are unhappy with where it is sitting at the out-of-the-box settings. Once you have determined how much lift they are at out of the box, and the instructions do not give you a recommended preload setting for the lift height you want, then you will want to get an idea of motion ratio. Toyotas and Nissans have about a 2:1 motion ratio while everything else with independent front suspension is around 1.5-1.75:1. Motion ratio is the ratio of wheel travel to shock travel with 2:1 indicating for every 2" of wheel travel the strut, shock, or coilover will only compress or extend 1". You can roughly determine the motion ratio by measuring the distance between the frame pivot bushings and ball joint on the lower control arm as well as where the shock is mounted relative to those points. If let's say your lower control arm is 20" from bushing to ball joint and the front coilover mounts 10" from the frame pivot bushings or basically the middle of the arm, that is a 2:1 motion ratio. If that shock was mounted 13" from the frame pivot bushings and 7" from the ball joint that leaves you with right around 1.5:1 motion ratio (1.538:1 to be exact). Basically, you just divide control arm length by the distance from the frame pivots to where the shock is mounted, and you should be in the ballpark for motion ratio. From there, you will have a rough preload adjustment needed for the lift height you are looking for. If let's say you are at 2" of lift out of the box on something with a 2:1 motion ratio and you would like to drop to 1" of lift, a good place to start would be by backing off preload by half an inch. That motion ratio should mean that a half-inch change at the coilover equates to around an inch at the wheel. If you are at the same height with something with a 1.5:1 motion ratio and need a 1" drop you would back off preload by 2/3". This is not a perfect science, since oftentimes springs will start to act a little differently as you get to the extremes of their recommended preload range, but it is a good way to at least get close enough to your desired height that any further adjustments can be eyeballed.
When are the 2.0 coilovers coming back in stock for 04-08 F150 2WD?
Not 100% sure, eta says 3 weeks as of today, sign up on the product page to be notified!
Are the 2.5 DSC the same as what you get on the gladiator mojave minus the DSC?
We just did a quick check on both the Gladiator Mojave Trim with the Fox 2.5 Internal Bypass with External Reservoir compared to the Fox 2.5 DSC.
OEM Jeep Fox 2.5 Internal Bypass with External Reservoir and comes with a 1" front lift. It does not have any adjustment control.
Fox 2.5 DSC does not have the Internal Bypass but does come with an External Reservoir. These also come with the DSC feature that provides low and high-speed compression adjustment. They offer variation iterations as well for different lift heights.
The next option that would be like the OEM Fox 2.5 but with more features would be the Fox 3.0 series. Which has the OEM Fox 2.5 Internal Bypass and all the features like the Fox 2.5 DSC but in a 3" body.
@@ShockSurplus good explanation. Are the mojave 2.5 worth keeping or upgrade? I'm assuming I'd definitely have to replace if I install a 2" lift being the travel or length. Thanks in advance
Out of the box it's quite a good shock as is. However, if you're planning to build to more for off-roading, losing the internal bypass would give less comfort but the Fox 2.5 DSC would work for lifted application and provide more control while off-roading.
Ok so my parents are getting the Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited and our home is on about 2 miles of dirt rough road which ones would be the best option for that and like weekly mild off-roading? Thanks in advance
Fox 2.0 for entry leveling and Fox 2.5 or OME Bp51 for high end.
Does fox has products that fits for 2003 Honda crv lifted 2.5"?
Honestly, your vehicle is going to be completely custom because they don't make parts specially for you.
Can I add one of these coil overs to a Mazda 3 to make it higher ?
Not with anything that would be off the shelf or direct fitment. No one really lifts a Mazda 3 but if you have a will and way, you can custom make a kit for yourself.
@@ShockSurplus haha for real I know people usually lower their car to make it cool , I want to do the opposite and lift it haha
Hi I wanted to buy one for my Jeep galaditor.were can I buy a set suspension fox
We can you Fox. Check out our website: www.shocksurplus.com
Do I have to buy uca for the fox 2.5 dsc if I'm only doing a 1-1/2 or 2"lift?
If it's a coilover, yes. You need to get the clearance.
in FOX SUSPENSIONs available for Ford explorer 2006??? Please guide😭
no its not unfortunately, i'd go with Bilstein
@@ShockSurplus even
in King or icon suspensions not available for Ford explorer 2006 😭
@@ShockSurplus honestly i plan long Journey from riyadh to istanbul
@@ShockSurplus all spare parts of Ford explorer 2006 I purchased
From showroom genuine parts but suspensions I want powerful like king like fox like icon only but you say unfortunately not available😭😭
21 Jeep gladiator mojave. Front fox shocks being replaced under warranty, very disappointed. Terrible creaking sound.
We are sorry to hear. Are there the Jeep x Fox shocks or the Fox after market? Regardless, Fox will take care of your needs.
@@ShockSurplus they came from the factory, so original.
That'll have to go through Jeep directly. Hopefully they take care of you. Please note Fox shocks from the OEM vs aftermarket are different.
@@ShockSurplus 3200 dollars Canadian each side is obscene plus labour.
@@peterc8979 be thankful for the warranty then...