If I had a nickel for every time Matt Smith played a consort to a queen that made him feel impotent, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but I'm glad it happened twice.
Yeah, when people kept mentioning that he wouldn't make a good Daemon I found that very hard to believe, since this was probably my introduction to him. He's like the perfect guy to play Daemon.
The irony of Phillip being mad is that his name also comes from his mother. Also, Mountbatten comes from Battenburg which is german. Elizabeth's house is Saxe-Coburg and Gotha which is also german so she lost her family's original name in a way too.
"That's the point Elizabeth, it's just advice, it doesn't mean you have to act on it." "When it comes from the government you do." Matt Hancock would like a word.
It should be noted that Churchhill and Parliament's opposition to the name Mountbatten was due to both it's emphasis of Prince Philip's foreign origin, as well as it's German roots, and not simply because it had to have the Queen's family line emphasized on it. Parliament and many British Royals, going as far back as Queen Victoria, did not much care which royal house became the reigning one. In fact, it could be seen in some circles that a queen regnant demonstrated primacy by being the first in a new dynasty. The Prince had courted much controversy when he became The Queen's (then Princess) fiance due to not having been born British, being a royal of defunct monarchies and having siblings who married into German nobility. The name itself originates from the German Battenburg family with royal associations, and itself is a relatively new name adopted to distance the now Mountbatten family from Germany. Reference to anything German was a non-starter since WW1, and obviously continued after WW2. While it was Queen Mary (Queen Elizabeth's grandmother) who informed Churchill and likely had an antiquated view on the royal house matter, Churchill and other parliamentarians were more focused on the above. All this was basically overturned by Queen Elizabeth herself once the political climate became more accepting. In 1960, she slammed through a declaration that apparently she had been pushing for a long time, that non-style or title holders of the male line descended from her would use Mountbatten-Windsor. Notice that Mountbatten even precedes Windsor in this new surname. While this means those with titles, and in particular those high up in the line of succession like the now King Charles, would continue to use their existing styles and the Windsor surname, in practice all of said descendants including even Charles are allowed to use Mountbatten-Windsor, and the name would carry on for generations after the Queen. In other words, she gave Philip what he was asking for in this scene. Even though there was the question of empty surnames for descendants helping fuel this matter (Prince Andrew and others could be left with no surname if they didn't obtain titles), I do think it indicates just how much consideration the Queen gave her husband. As to the issue of Clarence House, Churchill too had a couple of practical reasons for "advising" the Queen to move to Buckingham Palace. Putting aside the obvious matter that it's the Sovereign's official residence and all business of government relevant to them would be conducted there, he also needed the Queen Mother (Queen Elizabeth's mother, also named Elizabeth) to move out. The Queen Mother was likely planning to continue residing in Buckingham Palace, which would allow her to 'sit in' and influence Queen Elizabeth who would still have to commute and occasionally stay at the Palace for official duties in the scenario where she lived in Clarence House. Churchill wanted the new Queen to be completely independent, even from him and future PMs (ironic I know), and so supported any notion to give the Sovereign a degree of space and separation of power. As it turned out, even after the new Queen moved in, the Queen Mother still dilly-dallied on leaving, citing renovation of Clarence House which ironically would become her new residence, and generally trying to drag out her 'eviction' as long as possible. Of course, I'm not trying to smear the Queen Mother. I'm just highlighting the differences of opinion that causes all of these issues. Notably, after several years the Queen Mother later repeatedly stated her approval of both The Queen and Prince Philip, in particular praising the latter as a British gentleman (before she tended to highlight his foreign origin).
The Royal family WAS German - Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld. Queen Victoria changed everything to "Windsor" to be more English and not offend anyone. It is British arrogance to be unwilling to admit that their ruler is in fact, not British!
There was also the problematic issue of Phillips uncle, Dickie Mountbatten. Not only was the name and uncomfortable reminder of the family’s German ties, But the rabidly ambitious earl Mountbatten was in his person an uncomfortable reminder of the precipitous decline of the British empire. Most in Britain held him personally responsible for the loss of India to the Crown. He was a tireless self promoter and a Mountbatten dynastic name would have suited him down to the ground. Before the young queen proved her mettle, There were fears that earl Mountbatten proposed to rule by influencing his nephew Who in turn would make Elizabeth his puppet. Both Mountbatten men were charismatic and pushy. Even though Elizabeth was besotted with her charismatic often overbearing husband, she proved herself the match of the Mountbattens and the old men in the cabinet. Dickie got his way in the end though when the Mountbatten with the hyphen was eventually added to the dynastic name, Coming first yet.
To be fair, the royal family is a representative of the country, and so they should have a name that represents the country. The royal family went into a lot of effort to be named Windsor. Mountbatten wasn't even Philip's surname until he renounced his Greek and Danish titles when he married Elizabeth.
Had the timing been even slightly different, the house name would have changed to Mountbatten. The two people most opposed were Churchill and Queen Mary. Queen Mary died roughly a year or so after Elizabeth ascended to the throne. Churchill was fighting to stay in power as leader of the conservatives and PM. It’s realistic to believe had Elizabeth come to the throne just a year or so later, both Queen Mary and Churchill would have been gone, and it’s unlikely Eden would have fought the name change. Churchill opposed the name change for one big reason: he blamed Lord Mountbatten for giving away India and he was not going to give him anything. Queen Mary opposed the name change because her husband, George V, was the one who had changed the name to Windsor.
They'd already changed the name from Battenburg to not sound so German during the War, and Windsor was tagged on a century before for the same reason. Brits not wanting to admit that their monarchs are not really British, but from the center of Europe.
@@JuricksEnterprisethey didn’t change it a century before but in the same period (WW1) as Philip’s German grandfather angliziced his name from Battenberg to Mountbatten and EII’s grandfather changed his from SaxeCoburg Gotha to Windsor. Btw Mountbatten is also his mother’s name, not his father’s.
They kinda didn’t fully get rid of it, don’t Prince Harry’s kids have the last name Mountbatten-Windsor? I believe they just didn’t carry Mountbatten through to the reining monarch or drop Windsor altogether. Kind of a compromise.
This is the common thread of the first years of the reign of Elisabeth and Philip at her side: They want to start something new, one celebrates too early (Philip the new name of the royal family, the secretary his premature appointment). Then the Empire strikes back - sometimes through the government, sometimes through the palace staff, and they have to bow to the all-mighty status quo, and nothing is allowed to change. And later will they discover their small freedoms, what they can and cannot enforce, and become guardians of the status quo themselves.
Believe it or not, this is also the problem faced by the current queen of Denmark, Margrethe II. Her relationship with her late husband was damaged when he was informed that his children could not inherit Monpezat into the dynastic name of Oldenburg-Glücksburg.
@@misscatalina711except that it has never been like that before suddenly it became the norm 50 years ago. You can't change a system that has lasted throughout the millennia and expect everyone to be fine with it.
@@CatroiOz Except the men like Phillip and Margarethe's husband Henrik weren't raised and married millenia ago. They were men of the 20th century. Hell Margarethe and Henrik were married in 1967 for christ sake, FAR too late in history for him to be whining about a Queen Regnant not taking a Prince Consort's family name. There hadn't been a precedent for that many many decades.
I agree apart from Doctor Who. David Tennant and Christopher Eccelstone were so much more compelling. He was too silly and didn’t convey any menace. House of the Dragon is a different story though. So I suspect bad writing and direction for his stint as Dr Who. Can’t be blamed for that
@@MrAndy71717that's a fair claim for his DWho stint overall but there are definitely a handful of instances where his more sinister side/range made an appearance
Except the fact that he was forced to give up his father's name in order to marry Elizabeth. In any case, that was a choice he made for himself as an adult. Very different from getting robbed from a chance to give your name to your kids.
It is clear Phillip must have loved the Queen tremendely to make the scarefices he did,also when they represented you could clearly see the pride and love in his eyes when looking at the Queen and she loved him just as much
It is well known he cheated on her after she became queen as he resented as he had been given no real role. Everyone needs a job, a life's work and Philip was denied this. did he love her Yes, I think he did, at first while she was still princess. he had a military career then. He did not like being the queen's husband. I do think if George VI had lived another 25 years it would have been better for Philip and Elizabeth.
@@peachygal4153 Actualy those rumors have been dismissed even by severol of those women,also like a friend said how was he sopose to manige to do that he had pepol with him all the time,part of the resons thise rumors started was some of his friends and their club and some of that group marriges was ended becose of cheeting however that assosiation was soundly disspruved by meny and one of the resons is how was he soppose to get that chase when he had pepol around him all the time
Ummm.... Let's calm it down. He knew what the deal was when he said I do. It's not like Queen Elizabeth's sibling abdicated the throne. He knew she would always be queen. So why complain now? She was never a modern woman so I don't know why he was surprised she got right in line with the Tories
Philip was born into royalty. He was the nephew of the King of Greece. He knew exactly what he was getting into when marrying Elizabeth and exactly what "rights" the monarch and their family have.
@@sarahudson108 definitely true. But if this is a true depiction, he would have been upset at these changes twenty years later as well. Someone marrying the crown princess has to know what they are getting into.
Philip's courtship was also encouraged by his uncle Louis Mountbatten, who saw early on that Elizabeth liked Philip. Louis hoped the marriage would legitimize Philip again and their Mountbatten family. It was a great match but they didn't think they would be challenged in other ways.
I wish there could have been at least 4 seasons to cover the 20 years of history that Claire Foy and Matt Smith were in their roles for. Watching it back, the 1950s and early 60s felt very rushed
@@Threeleebird If that _hadn't_ been the case, the world would've known Margaret Roberts and Jackie Bouvier. Thatcher kept her career, but lost her name. Jackie lost her career and her name. I'm not certain if Margaret and Jackie lived on their own before they married, but if either of them did, they gave up their home as well. btw, When Jackie married Aristotle Onassis, she became known as Jackie O.
@@Mybpeterson Everyone knew her name was Jackie Bouvier. Hell, Marge Simpsons' maiden name is Bouvier as a direct reference to her (and her mother literally is named Jaqueline Bouvier just to make it more obvious), and that was a gag from the late 80's.
This is ridiculous. Phillip was a direct descendant of Queen Victoria, just as Elizabeth was. He lived his entire life perfectly aware of all these issues. Portraying him as unaware is silly.
Which issues? The refusal to change the royal name was an entirely unprecedented development. Victoria's children for example took their father's name once the head of the royal family died (as it was custom). Historically, the royal family's official name has been dependent on the name of the head of said family, but it could change whenever a royal succeeded the throne with a different surname (or when the acting monarch chose another name for themselves). I reality, most people didn't really care about the matter, the two only people who staunchly opposed the name change were Churchill (because he opposed everything German in general on a personal basis and the marriage to Prince Philip as well as the name change, because he blamed Lord Mountbatten for "losing India") and the Queen's mother, because she opposed the marriage to Philip (because in her eyes he wasn't a "proper" candidate due to his mother being "mad" and his father having been ousted from his native Greece)
They changed a lot about Phillip in the early seasons. Him having a fit about kneeling to Elizabeth at her coronation was one fabrication when the real Phillip happily helped plan the whole thing and gave her a smooch on the cheek when he got to his feet.
Ironic too as Mountbatten was Philip's mother's family name not his father. He disowned his father and took his mother's family name but yet he does not want his children to take their mother's family name with better reason, she was sovereign. I mean many people do not get along with their fathers, but they do not renounce his surname.
He disowned his father because that was the only way he could marry Elizabeth. He made choice for love, Elizabeth forced the second choice on him for politics. How can someone be so dense to not get it the difference?
Not exactly the case. When Phillip came to England, he took his mother's and uncle's name because it was a known BRITISH name. It was to assimilate, especially as he was a foreign prince without a kingdom.
@@kronaeon3377 Some members use the name Mountbatten-Windsor, but the house name under Elizabeth was Windsor like how Victoria's house name was continued from the British royal generation before her.
Prince Phillip insisted that his children take his surname "Mountbatten" which is the Anglicized version of "Battenberg" (where 'berg' means mountain) because the surname should supposedly be always passed on the male line. However, Phillip himself gottten the "Mountbatten" / "Battenberg" from his mother (Princess Alice of Battenberg) and her father (that is Phillip's mother's father) gotten the "Battenberg" from his mother (Julia, Princess of Battenberg, which is Phillip's great-grandmother). So Phillip's argument is literally hypocritical.
You think its the same, you want to be on equal footing? take woman clothes and make her walk in public. That the equivalent from taking away man's name. men will rather die than doing that. same with woman will rather die then walking in public naked.
Not since the early 1800s have women been forced to not be allowed lives and careers. Since the napoleonic era women have had jobs and lives outside of the home, and many times they were forced to work as the family could not afford them not to work.
@@gundarvarr1024 agreed, of course there were much more restriction at that time than in later years. When you really look at history, since even before Roman times, woman have been titans of societal industry, politics, business, fashion, art, and everything else. The modern understanding of women’s lives and rights really began in the mid 1700s to early 1800s, but woman have had their own parts of society since the beginning of mankind.
The point was that they don't like Buckingham Palace. From what I've gathered, it's not a comfortable place to live. Philip and Elizabeth wanted to remain in the stately home that they had just renovated to their tastes, the place that they liked. So what she's really telling him is that, "No, you don't get a say in how our family lives anymore." I'd be annoyed to.
Honestly as much of a brat as he and the whole royal family is, the whole season irritated me as Elisabeth proceeded to wreck anything and everyone in her life for the sake not even of herself, but the crown, when the crown would not have been threatened by anything that the people wanted. She COULD have been flexible. You don't actually have to follow the protocol. "The crown must always win" against what? FOR what? Constipation??? @@seanp2871
"I might be the only man in the country who cannot pass his name to his children" Lol Philip himself took his mother's surname, Mountbatten, instead of his father's, Glucksburg.
*Philip had no choice. According* *to the letters Patent that were* *made into law in 1917* (Geo. V) " *Titles Deprivation Act 1917* " 1.) No British royal or member of the Peerage is to possess foreign citizenship or foreign title(s). 2.) No foreign royals/nobles are to have British titles, or ranks real or honorary (military ranks) 3.) Three of the then, existing Germanic houses in the UK (a.) anglicize their Germanic name to an English name *or* (b.) assume an English name. Therefore: *Saxe-Coburg and Gotha* (Victoria's husband, Prince Albert's last name) --> to become --> *WINDSOR* *Battenberg* --> to become --> *MOUNTBATTEN* *Teck* [1] --> to become --> *CAMBRIDGE* Note: "Hanover" ... Victoria's surname, was not used anymore in UK by the time of WW1 because the holders of that surname were no longer alive. HOWEVER: Victoria could not accede to the throne of Hanover because of Salic law. Her uncle, Prince Ernest Augustus Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale and Earl of Armagh (1771-1851) acceded to the Hanoverian throne in 1837. (He was the 5th son of King George III of the UK) Ernest's son, George (b. 1819) was born as Prince George of Cumberland. He became George V of Hanover (in 1851) He was the last king of Hanover. The Hanoverian monarchy was abolished (1866) by unification with Germany (formerly Prussia) George V's of Hanover had only one son "Ernest Augustus, Crown Prince of Hanover, *3rd Duke of* *Cumberland and Teviotdale* (1845 - 1923), Ernest Augustus was deprived of the throne of Hanover upon its annexation by Prussia in 1866 and later the Duchy of Brunswick in 1884. *Ernest Augustus was* *deprived of his British peerages* *and honours for having sided with* *Germany in World War I.* "The Titles Deprivation Act 1917 suspended the title on 28 March 1919." --- Wikipedia (Duke of Cumberland) ____________________________ Mary of Teck, George V. 's wife had two brothers both adopted the name of Cambridge as a surname. Note: *Prince William being the Duke* *of Cambridge* (before he was the Prince of Wales was a new creation. The last Duke of Cambridge, before Prince William was Queen Victoria's first cousin, George (b.1819) Duke of Cambridge The above-mentioned first cousin George Duke of Cambridge had a sister named Princess Mary Adelaide of Cambridge. Mary Adelaide of Cambridge married Prince Francis Duke of Teck (from the Kingdom of Württemberg. He was serving in the Austrian army before he married Mary Adelaide. The Duke and Duchess of Teck's oldest child was a girl named Mary ("May") of Teck who married George V. of UK (when he was the Duke of York = Before Edward VIII abdicated and became the Duke of Windsor.)
They would have, but the real reason Mountbatten was intolerable by the political top branches was because it was German in a just recently post-WWII Britain, especially given the fact that many of Phillip’s relatives were Nazis themselves. Windsor was the name chosen to erase Germanic symbolism (replacing Hanover) after the first world war and it was used the same way after the second. Everything German had to go.
@@stephenmurphy2212 That's precisely my point I was making. Times have in fact changed, but "at the time" German association was something they were avoiding like the plague. Churchill himself was a huge part in advocating that the Royal family do everything they can to distance themselves from German relations moving forward.
That's normal, it's just the classical having 0 empathy for men. If it was a woman complaining how everything was taken from her you'd probably be distraught lol.
@@ceejay1476 he was literally whining about having to endure what women are outright expected to endure just for being women. An easier version of it actually, since he doesn't have to worry about retirement while bearing/raising children. If he became an advocate for women's rights it would be one thing, but he gained no empathy for women from experiencing a woman's normal situation. Because at the end of the day most men think women are meant to be second class citizens.
@@ss-ds2dn sorry, don't buy it. You'll see a grown ass woman stubbing her toe and you'll immediately throw yourself at her feet and rant on about how it's all the fault of the evil males. Meanwhile you could see a little boy thrown off a bridge for no reason, raped and strangled and you wouldn't even feel anything whatsoever. That is the reality for the average feminist.
@@ceejay1476He was annoying because he kept acting emasculated. When he decided to marry the future QUEEN. On top of that the feeling of being emasculated is very sexist.
@@ss-ds2dn Exactly, hard to have empathy for someone with a shit load of money complaining about something half the population is expected to do and does without any of the comforts of servents, summer houses, etc ....
It is painful when you're from a royal family which have lost its glory, you think are working hard to revive it, but end up giving up totally on it to save your wife's dynasty. That's what happened to the Mountbattens. That's why he's devastated.
The move from Clarence House was painful for Philip, it was virtually the only home he had known. Also the move to Buckingham Palace was not particularly well received by the Queen Mother. She resisted for about a year. Even Margaret objected until she got her own apartment.
I feel for Philip here. He gave up a lot in order to marry Elizabeth, including his royal titles and place in the line of succession for the Greek throne. After only five years of marriage, she ascended to the British throne and Philip was forced to give up even more: his career, his home and his name. That would be hard on anyone.
Yet women are always expected to do that and to not complain. Should you feel for Elizabeth had the roles been reversed, or would you just see it as something normal?
@@FanyLI I think today it's safe to say it's not normal for either men or women. Rather than pointing in the other direction saying "but women have been subject to the same for so long!", it should be held up as a highlight as to why it's not equitable for anyone, regardless of gender.
Wrong. His marriage had nothing to do with him losing his place in the line of succession to the Greek throne. His father was forced to abdicate in 1922, and he got married in 1947. It did prevent him from being able to become King of the Danish throne, but he was never going to become their King anyway.
Tbh i cant take phllip’s reactions seriously he acts like he lost everthing by marrying the (future) queen but it’s the opposite he gained so much more than his lastname
Prince Philip made a hell of sacrifices for HM to be what she was supposed to. Especially as someone from a family that had lost its glory and working hard to get it back, he rather had to give up totally on it. Must have been painful.
@@Brian-wj7gb Actually in my opinion she didn't challenge the patriarchy really, because in reality she the most senior male line descendant of Queen victoria and that is why she became Queen, had her father had a son then she would have been passed over.
Ridiculous to think, that he complained so much about it when in fact Mountbatten wasn't his father's name but his mother's. So his children weren't the first ones to use their mother's name, he was.
Ironically, Phillip did more to earn his name, and worked harder in his life than the Queen. Actually served in the navy. (Cape Matapan), himself was greek royalty forced to flee his home. He was far more deserving of his titles and whatnot than her. (technically)
While his name was taken away, Prince Phillip as an exchange though have made the monarchy stronger than ever. He pushed for the coronation to be televised which made the British people closer than ever to the queen, he expanded the symbolism of the monarchy, he basically shipped all of his children to boarding school (past royals were homeschooled) which is why Charles, Anne and Edward managed to understand administration and legalities within the charities, Prince Phillip had really supported the crown and the queen during his living. This series may have undermined Prince Phillip’s support yet in reality, without the changes he brought in when Queen Elizabeth steps into reigns, Britain may now have already lost interest in the monarch.
True, the royals were really oblivious to change and were hardcore sticking to outdated customs, the additions to the family brought the changes within and at Britain's perception of the RF, like Prince Philip, Princess Diana and Princess Catherine. Imo the Royal family learnt their lessons in a hard way through Charles and Diana, it's again because of their resistance to change costed them this lesson.
Windsor was a name change. The original was Saxe-Coberg-Goethe. It was changed by George V during WW1 because of its German origin. The Brits, it seems, have a problem with foreign names for their royal houses.
I find it a little funny that he thought she, the queen, will take his last name and change the royal family’s name and live somewhere other than the actual palace
Well, as far as the name goes, he was right to think that. That was how it's worked for 1000 years. Queen Victoria was part of the House of Hanover, but her children were a part of the House of Sax-Cobrug & Gotha, Queen Anne was part of the House of Stuart, but her son was part of the House of Oldenburg (though he died befor ascending the throne, he was recognized as part of that house), Mary, Queen of Scots was a Stuart, and her son only kept the name because his father was also a Stuart. Prior to Elizabeth, every instance where a Queen had children, they took their father's names; it was perfectly reasonable to think his would as well. Then, when it comes to living in Buckingham Palace, neither of them wanted to. They had just renovated Clarence House and wanted to live there. It isn't a far commute, so it isn't unreasonable to think they might be able to keep some of their life separate from the Crown. But Elizabeth caved to pressure and insisted; he's allowed to be annoyed that she's throwing out what both of them want in favor of what the Palace is telling her to do. Frankly, neither of his complaints here are unreasonable.
@@seanp2871 Just to add that King Charles III has designated Clarence House as his personal residence and Buckingham Palace will only be used for official business in future owing to the fact that it costs a fortune to run and is infested with mice.
Traditionally, royal heiresses were expected to keep their paternal dynastic and surname until they died even after their marriage. Even Queen Victoria who did everything she could to try to ensure being the progenitor of an endless line of King Alberts' after her death, had stayed a Hanover/Guelph and never attempted to become a Saxe-Coburg Gotha/Wettin herself but recognized that that was to be her sons' and paternal grandchildren's name. Windsor had been her grandfather George V's reconfiguration of the Germanic Saxe-Coburg Gotha/Wettin from 1917 on to keep the British public from thinking the monarchs had German sympathies during WWI- and her grandmother Mary did her best to guilt trip QEII into declaring that this was to stay her own surname as well as her male progeny's due to her late grandfather's wishes for Windsor to be the perpetual dynastic/surname regardless of it passing through female lines. Essentially, QEII caved to appease her 'Grannie' at the time. However, a few years after Queen Mary's death, she later declared that 'non-Royal' male descendants would use 'Mountbatten-Windsor'. BTW, it's known that Princess Anne signed her 1st marriage license as 'Anne Mountbatten-Windsor' in 1973 when she wed Mark Phillips. Charles III has opted to keep using 'Windsor' alone as his dynastic and surname despite having the option of choosing 'Mountbatten-Windsor' or 'Glucksburg' [the Duke of Edinburgh's original surname when he was a Prince of the Hellenes].
Phillip is being a real jackass here. He knew or should have known what he was getting into by marrying the heir to the throne, but likes to blame Elizabeth for following the rules they both know they must play by, and then tries to lay a guilt complex on her.
It's almost like he forgot what his father in law King George V said to him a few episodes earlier. He told Prince Philip that being there, and loving her was his only job. She IS the job, he made it clear at the same time that it meant he would also lose his own career. If you want to see the particular scene just search for "King George talks to Prince Philip"
When you marry a reigning Queen, one might assume that she and the children will keep her name. One may also assume that you will continue with her family traditions
thats bascially wrong, the original family name of Windors was Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (a stil existing German noble family). This is the name of prince albert who was married to Queen Victoria, her lastname was Hannover (also German). There kids where as it was tradition in the family name of the husband. The name change to Windsor was a move, during world war 1, to show the british people that the family who was super german by the ancestors is a british family and not working together with the german cousin of the king, emperor Wilhelm 2.
Until Queen Elizabeth, that was literally never the case. Every other time Queens got married, their children took their father's surnames that the royal lines passed through them with no issue. This whole talk about needing stability is a farce. The reason they weren't allowed is Because Queen Mary and Winston Churchill opposed it (Queen Mary because her husband changed the name to Windsor and Churchill because, from what I gather, he disliked Lord Mountbatten).
This is probably the most fabricated part of the show. The upper class have always historically taken the more powerful family name. If you were a man and lucky enough to marry up, you better be giving up your name.
That almost never happened to royals. The only time I can actually think of it happening is Maria Theresa, and even then her children weren’t Habsburgs, they were Habsburg-Lorraines. Most of the time they would find a guy from the queen’s royal house, so the name would still stay in the family.
Dickie steered them toward each other. Phil seemed to think he was in charge. When you marry the Queen, you are number two; your family name does not change history.
Men have zero problems doing this to women everyday. "I thought we were in this together" should have been "I thought I was going to be King of this castle".
What, taking their homes,names and careers?,my dear lady, you seem to forget the countless amount of ceos and people of power who are women themselves.
It's bad enough when the Government says "You can't vote" "You can't interfere, only advise, and even then behind closed doors" but the family name and the family home are NONE of the Government's business.
Funnily enough their name is Mountbatten-Windsor now, the current King of England is Charles of Mountbatten, Karl von Battenberg well actually it's Oldenburg but what gives
They didn't have careers or homes back then, silly. Why do you think working women meant a prostitute? It's because it was the only instance where men regularly saw them at any form of work, WW2 emergency factories nonwithstanding obviously.
Phillip's real last name at birth was not even Mountbatten, it was Glucksburg. Phillip's father's last name was Glucksburg. The Mountbatten's real last name was actually Battenberg. The Battenberg's were living in England during World War 1 and changed their last name to Mountbatten to sound more English and less German. When Phillip joined the British Navy in the 1930's, he changed his last name from Glucksburg to Mountbatten. There is no rational reason why Phillip should have been emotionally attached to Mountbatten at all. Why not call himself Windsor!
For that matter the Royals also changed their name from Saxe Coburg Gotha to Windsor in 1916 in response to the gutter press hysteria mongering of the time. This was said to have prompted the Kaiser's sole joke when he told a newly arrived ambassador that while the war had ended most of Berlin's nightlife the Shakespeare Society was doing a production of the Merry Wives of Saxe Coberg Gotha.
He seems not to have realized what his position would be as the Husband of the Queen and certain things the Queen would have to give up under advice from her Cabinet. Although I wonder if the queen even knew
I think it is very shameful of Harry to change his and his family's name from WIndsor-Mounbatten to Sussex. Guess Prince Philip is rotating in his grave right now.
He didn't change it, his Grandmother did. Queen Elizabeth II gave him the title; 'His Royal Highness the Duke of Sussex' on the morning of his wedding. After stepping down from Royal duties he just uses Sussex. As grandchildren of the ruling Monarch his kids can/could use the 'Prince of Sussex' title, but as they are being raised as private citizens (following their parents wishes) they mostly go by their birth name MountBatten-Windsor. Many of his actions are shameful, but this isn't one of them.
That sounds like a nice tidy little statement, but do you have any idea what it means to be a successful wife and mother? Does such a woman really lose herself? I would argue that she does not lose, but rather gain, and gain a treasure far beyond your comprehension.
Montbatten had ambitions beyond his capabilites...as per the botched up 1947 partition of India. He loved to think of himself being an important part of the RF but much, much smarter and cunning people knew how to cut him down to size.
This basically describes what the expectations of a women is back then and today. We sacrifice everything for the benefit of our family. Supporting our husbands and our children 😊
There were most likely people going without certain things, at that time, yet the biggest problem they have, is which last name to use. Fucking ridiculous.
His name was actually Battenburg, and they changed it to sound less German ,hes moaning about the name, but he had already changed it once before as he is a Battenburg( who knew this ?)
I understand why he feels more than disappointed. He quite literally saw his home, family and heritage taken from him as a young boy then he found a young girl that was a princess that he ended up loving and to top it off, he had a glimmer of hope that his family name, line and heritage would live on as any royal aims for but all of that gone as soon as she becomes the Queen. Yes, women have done it for centuries including royal women however he felt like he was doing his family proud in marrying her, keeping his family line going through his marriage to her from a political point. If I was him, I would have negotiated that their second son takes his name unless something happens to their firstborn son, then the second born son takes her name and takes the throne. Great acting and cast from the Crown. Thanks for uploading.
My man really knows how to play "My wife wears the pants, but I dont have to be happy about it" roles so well. First this, then House of the Dragon. Well done old chap.
And then ignored the things he wasn't a knob about. He was happy and played a big part in Elizabeth's coronation, he was fascinated by space travel, he did a lot of work for science and advancements in the field.
In many cultures, still today, that is the tradition, to take the mother's family name. It makes sense too - one is always certain of who the mother is.
The Targaryens found a great way to prevent these sort of conflicts
Well they are cousins through King Christian IX of Denmark
exactly, Philip Targaryen would've never married Elizabeth since she wasn't his sister
@@maxibluftno she was his cousin, so close enough maybe?
@@samf.s.7731aren’t they like 3rd cousins? Not nearly close enough!
😂😂😂😂
If I had a nickel for every time Matt Smith played a consort to a queen that made him feel impotent, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but I'm glad it happened twice.
This killed me.
Not " a queen" but THE QUEEN. A queen regnant which there have been only a handful.
@@yvonneplant9434 Rhaenyra was the Only one , even more Special.
If he plays this role a third time, we will call it typecasting
I could have watched 6 seasons of these actors, nothing against the next set of actors, but I think they had the best chemistry.
Agreed. She really honed in on being a young inexperienced queen who loved a prince that cheated on her
@@_adrian_seanThere isn't any empirical evidence that he cheated. Moreover, the show plays up the drama between the couple quite a bit.
@armednottriggered5446 Do you know what the word "empirical" means? Your comment suggests you don't...
Agreed.
Yeah this was the apex of the show
and this is why Matt Smith never even auditioned for house of the dragon, they just offered him the role.
Yeah, when people kept mentioning that he wouldn't make a good Daemon I found that very hard to believe, since this was probably my introduction to him.
He's like the perfect guy to play Daemon.
where's his Fez !
I’m so happy he was able to successfully transfer over to bigger things and continue to do so after Doctor Who.
Matt played his role perfectly, I Don't think anyone could have said it as well
Agreed. Although I felt Tobias Menzies vocally sounded more like Phillip.
I'm so glad this is the confirmed season Prince Harry actually watched. Cuz it was so good
Matt was good but Claire was a total standout as ERII
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watching him in this role I understand why they casted him as Daemon in HotD , perfect casting
he really embodied "I'm not mad. I'm disappointed" with that ending.
And now the guy fliies a dragon. A very risky endeavor indeed.
Hey those flying lessons came in very handy...
Don't worry Daemon, you still have Caraxes she can't take that
The irony of Phillip being mad is that his name also comes from his mother. Also, Mountbatten comes from Battenburg which is german. Elizabeth's house is Saxe-Coburg and Gotha which is also german so she lost her family's original name in a way too.
Elizabeth didn't lose it..she wasn't even born when the House name changed to Windsor.
It's annoying to see people spewing complete nonsense being so high in the comments
@@CatroiOz oh?
@@user-ti5cw1ug6l how can she have lost something she never had ? The name change occured long before her birth
@@CatroiOz Fair but her family's house name was changed for a similar reason.
"That's the point Elizabeth, it's just advice, it doesn't mean you have to act on it."
"When it comes from the government you do."
Matt Hancock would like a word.
The talent of these actors almost makes you forget how absurd the entire conversation is.
Beautifully said.
It should be noted that Churchhill and Parliament's opposition to the name Mountbatten was due to both it's emphasis of Prince Philip's foreign origin, as well as it's German roots, and not simply because it had to have the Queen's family line emphasized on it. Parliament and many British Royals, going as far back as Queen Victoria, did not much care which royal house became the reigning one. In fact, it could be seen in some circles that a queen regnant demonstrated primacy by being the first in a new dynasty.
The Prince had courted much controversy when he became The Queen's (then Princess) fiance due to not having been born British, being a royal of defunct monarchies and having siblings who married into German nobility. The name itself originates from the German Battenburg family with royal associations, and itself is a relatively new name adopted to distance the now Mountbatten family from Germany. Reference to anything German was a non-starter since WW1, and obviously continued after WW2. While it was Queen Mary (Queen Elizabeth's grandmother) who informed Churchill and likely had an antiquated view on the royal house matter, Churchill and other parliamentarians were more focused on the above.
All this was basically overturned by Queen Elizabeth herself once the political climate became more accepting. In 1960, she slammed through a declaration that apparently she had been pushing for a long time, that non-style or title holders of the male line descended from her would use Mountbatten-Windsor. Notice that Mountbatten even precedes Windsor in this new surname. While this means those with titles, and in particular those high up in the line of succession like the now King Charles, would continue to use their existing styles and the Windsor surname, in practice all of said descendants including even Charles are allowed to use Mountbatten-Windsor, and the name would carry on for generations after the Queen. In other words, she gave Philip what he was asking for in this scene. Even though there was the question of empty surnames for descendants helping fuel this matter (Prince Andrew and others could be left with no surname if they didn't obtain titles), I do think it indicates just how much consideration the Queen gave her husband.
As to the issue of Clarence House, Churchill too had a couple of practical reasons for "advising" the Queen to move to Buckingham Palace. Putting aside the obvious matter that it's the Sovereign's official residence and all business of government relevant to them would be conducted there, he also needed the Queen Mother (Queen Elizabeth's mother, also named Elizabeth) to move out. The Queen Mother was likely planning to continue residing in Buckingham Palace, which would allow her to 'sit in' and influence Queen Elizabeth who would still have to commute and occasionally stay at the Palace for official duties in the scenario where she lived in Clarence House. Churchill wanted the new Queen to be completely independent, even from him and future PMs (ironic I know), and so supported any notion to give the Sovereign a degree of space and separation of power. As it turned out, even after the new Queen moved in, the Queen Mother still dilly-dallied on leaving, citing renovation of Clarence House which ironically would become her new residence, and generally trying to drag out her 'eviction' as long as possible.
Of course, I'm not trying to smear the Queen Mother. I'm just highlighting the differences of opinion that causes all of these issues. Notably, after several years the Queen Mother later repeatedly stated her approval of both The Queen and Prince Philip, in particular praising the latter as a British gentleman (before she tended to highlight his foreign origin).
The Royal family WAS German - Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld. Queen Victoria changed everything to "Windsor" to be more English and not offend anyone. It is British arrogance to be unwilling to admit that their ruler is in fact, not British!
There was also the problematic issue of Phillips uncle, Dickie Mountbatten. Not only was the name and uncomfortable reminder of the family’s German ties, But the rabidly ambitious earl Mountbatten was in his person an uncomfortable reminder of the precipitous decline of the British empire. Most in Britain held him personally responsible for the loss of India to the Crown. He was a tireless self promoter and a Mountbatten dynastic name would have suited him down to the ground. Before the young queen proved her mettle, There were fears that earl Mountbatten proposed to rule by influencing his nephew Who in turn would make Elizabeth his puppet. Both Mountbatten men were charismatic and pushy. Even though Elizabeth was besotted with her charismatic often overbearing husband, she proved herself the match of the Mountbattens and the old men in the cabinet. Dickie got his way in the end though when the Mountbatten with the hyphen was eventually added to the dynastic name, Coming first yet.
Fuckin wrote a novel huh
Pretty hilarious that Mary of TECK had a problem with Germans, considering she was one
Queen Elizabeth II as the Queen Mother was Queen Elizabeth when Elizabeth's father was alive and not to mention the first Queen Elizabeth I.
1:34 That’s Daemon right there. Killer stare, and you literally don’t know what he might do any moment
To be fair, the royal family is a representative of the country, and so they should have a name that represents the country. The royal family went into a lot of effort to be named Windsor. Mountbatten wasn't even Philip's surname until he renounced his Greek and Danish titles when he married Elizabeth.
They didn’t go through a lot of effort, they literally CHOSE to change it from Saxburg-Goetha to appease the anti German sentiment.
Had the timing been even slightly different, the house name would have changed to Mountbatten. The two people most opposed were Churchill and Queen Mary. Queen Mary died roughly a year or so after Elizabeth ascended to the throne. Churchill was fighting to stay in power as leader of the conservatives and PM. It’s realistic to believe had Elizabeth come to the throne just a year or so later, both Queen Mary and Churchill would have been gone, and it’s unlikely Eden would have fought the name change.
Churchill opposed the name change for one big reason: he blamed Lord Mountbatten for giving away India and he was not going to give him anything. Queen Mary opposed the name change because her husband, George V, was the one who had changed the name to Windsor.
They'd already changed the name from Battenburg to not sound so German during the War, and Windsor was tagged on a century before for the same reason. Brits not wanting to admit that their monarchs are not really British, but from the center of Europe.
@@JuricksEnterprisethey didn’t change it a century before but in the same period (WW1) as Philip’s German grandfather angliziced his name from Battenberg to Mountbatten and EII’s grandfather changed his from SaxeCoburg Gotha to Windsor. Btw Mountbatten is also his mother’s name, not his father’s.
They kinda didn’t fully get rid of it, don’t Prince Harry’s kids have the last name Mountbatten-Windsor? I believe they just didn’t carry Mountbatten through to the reining monarch or drop Windsor altogether. Kind of a compromise.
This is the common thread of the first years of the reign of Elisabeth and Philip at her side: They want to start something new, one celebrates too early (Philip the new name of the royal family, the secretary his premature appointment). Then the Empire strikes back - sometimes through the government, sometimes through the palace staff, and they have to bow to the all-mighty status quo, and nothing is allowed to change. And later will they discover their small freedoms, what they can and cannot enforce, and become guardians of the status quo themselves.
Who knew the Targaryens came so close to the British throne as well
There was/is quite a bit of drama with these real people without bringing fake characters into it. 😂
Believe it or not, this is also the problem faced by the current queen of Denmark, Margrethe II. Her relationship with her late husband was damaged when he was informed that his children could not inherit Monpezat into the dynastic name of Oldenburg-Glücksburg.
Oldenburg-Glucksbourg is Philip's real paternal name. Ironic
Currently the former queen of Denmark.
If men are going to marry a Queen Regnant or future Queen they should understand this. If not move along.
@@misscatalina711except that it has never been like that before suddenly it became the norm 50 years ago. You can't change a system that has lasted throughout the millennia and expect everyone to be fine with it.
@@CatroiOz Except the men like Phillip and Margarethe's husband Henrik weren't raised and married millenia ago. They were men of the 20th century. Hell Margarethe and Henrik were married in 1967 for christ sake, FAR too late in history for him to be whining about a Queen Regnant not taking a Prince Consort's family name. There hadn't been a precedent for that many many decades.
She was so young. So much thrust upon her.
Matt Smith.....one of the best actors of his generation.
Yeah, he’s great in House of the Dragon too
@@robertpalatsky5017 Everytime Daemon is in the room,He commands your attention.
I agree apart from Doctor Who. David Tennant and Christopher Eccelstone were so much more compelling. He was too silly and didn’t convey any menace. House of the Dragon is a different story though. So I suspect bad writing and direction for his stint as Dr Who. Can’t be blamed for that
@@MrAndy71717that's a fair claim for his DWho stint overall but there are definitely a handful of instances where his more sinister side/range made an appearance
@@SSJPENGUIN moments yes. And that has developed.
The irony is Philip himself had his name after his mother not his father...
Except the fact that he was forced to give up his father's name in order to marry Elizabeth.
In any case, that was a choice he made for himself as an adult. Very different from getting robbed from a chance to give your name to your kids.
. A name he only took 6 years before.
It is clear Phillip must have loved the Queen tremendely to make the scarefices he did,also when they represented you could clearly see the pride and love in his eyes when looking at the Queen and she loved him just as much
It is well known he cheated on her after she became queen as he resented as he had been given no real role. Everyone needs a job, a life's work and Philip was denied this. did he love her Yes, I think he did, at first while she was still princess. he had a military career then. He did not like being the queen's husband. I do think if George VI had lived another 25 years it would have been better for Philip and Elizabeth.
He didn’t have any choice lol, divorce was not an option. They were stuck with each other till death they did part.
@@peachygal4153 Actualy those rumors have been dismissed even by severol of those women,also like a friend said how was he sopose to manige to do that he had pepol with him all the time,part of the resons thise rumors started was some of his friends and their club and some of that group marriges was ended becose of cheeting however that assosiation was soundly disspruved by meny and one of the resons is how was he soppose to get that chase when he had pepol around him all the time
Ummm.... Let's calm it down. He knew what the deal was when he said I do. It's not like Queen Elizabeth's sibling abdicated the throne. He knew she would always be queen. So why complain now? She was never a modern woman so I don't know why he was surprised she got right in line with the Tories
Philip was born into royalty. He was the nephew of the King of Greece. He knew exactly what he was getting into when marrying Elizabeth and exactly what "rights" the monarch and their family have.
I'm sure Prince Phillip knew exactly what he was getting into. How could he not?
He thought they would have more time , George V1 died quite young from cancer , he could have had another 20 years .
@@sarahudson108 definitely true. But if this is a true depiction, he would have been upset at these changes twenty years later as well. Someone marrying the crown princess has to know what they are getting into.
Philip's courtship was also encouraged by his uncle Louis Mountbatten, who saw early on that Elizabeth liked Philip. Louis hoped the marriage would legitimize Philip again and their Mountbatten family. It was a great match but they didn't think they would be challenged in other ways.
Thank you! That's what I'm saying!
@@lordalessan she was the crown princess. That comes with the territory.
I wish there could have been at least 4 seasons to cover the 20 years of history that Claire Foy and Matt Smith were in their roles for. Watching it back, the 1950s and early 60s felt very rushed
It's amazing how they stayed together married for 73 years. And having to deal with all that comes with monarchy.
Seeing Matt Smith portray what everyone women who got married went through in that era is utterly magnificent
If that had really been the case Margaret Thatcher or Jackie Kennedy would be names that no one would remember.
@@Threeleebird If that _hadn't_ been the case, the world would've known Margaret Roberts and Jackie Bouvier.
Thatcher kept her career, but lost her name. Jackie lost her career and her name. I'm not certain if Margaret and Jackie lived on their own before they married, but if either of them did, they gave up their home as well.
btw, When Jackie married Aristotle Onassis, she became known as Jackie O.
You clearly dont know much about that era.
@@Mybpeterson Everyone knew her name was Jackie Bouvier. Hell, Marge Simpsons' maiden name is Bouvier as a direct reference to her (and her mother literally is named Jaqueline Bouvier just to make it more obvious), and that was a gag from the late 80's.
@@berserkasaurusrex4233 No one ever would've known her as Jackie Kennedy, which is what I was replying to.
Matt and Claire were brilliant!
This is ridiculous. Phillip was a direct descendant of Queen Victoria, just as Elizabeth was. He lived his entire life perfectly aware of all these issues. Portraying him as unaware is silly.
Which issues? The refusal to change the royal name was an entirely unprecedented development. Victoria's children for example took their father's name once the head of the royal family died (as it was custom).
Historically, the royal family's official name has been dependent on the name of the head of said family, but it could change whenever a royal succeeded the throne with a different surname (or when the acting monarch chose another name for themselves).
I reality, most people didn't really care about the matter, the two only people who staunchly opposed the name change were Churchill (because he opposed everything German in general on a personal basis and the marriage to Prince Philip as well as the name change, because he blamed Lord Mountbatten for "losing India") and the Queen's mother, because she opposed the marriage to Philip (because in her eyes he wasn't a "proper" candidate due to his mother being "mad" and his father having been ousted from his native Greece)
They changed a lot about Phillip in the early seasons. Him having a fit about kneeling to Elizabeth at her coronation was one fabrication when the real Phillip happily helped plan the whole thing and gave her a smooch on the cheek when he got to his feet.
its a historical drama
So, the family is entirely inbred. That explains a lot
Matt Smith is such a bomb actor. He perfectly sells any role you put him in
I mean on the bright side, you'll get your flying lessons, it's a slam dunk...Mr. Windsor
I was literally feet from you at this concert. Loved it loved it!
Ironic too as Mountbatten was Philip's mother's family name not his father. He disowned his father and took his mother's family name but yet he does not want his children to take their mother's family name with better reason, she was sovereign. I mean many people do not get along with their fathers, but they do not renounce his surname.
He disowned his father because that was the only way he could marry Elizabeth.
He made choice for love, Elizabeth forced the second choice on him for politics. How can someone be so dense to not get it the difference?
Not exactly the case. When Phillip came to England, he took his mother's and uncle's name because it was a known BRITISH name. It was to assimilate, especially as he was a foreign prince without a kingdom.
She's THE Queen. The house takes her name.
Apparently not, since the royal family uses the name Mountbatten-Windsor now.... so they actually took both, which is kinda dope
@@kronaeon3377 Some members use the name Mountbatten-Windsor, but the house name under Elizabeth was Windsor like how Victoria's house name was continued from the British royal generation before her.
Queen Victoria took Prince Albert’s name so Philip isn’t being unreasonable to expect the same.
who cares if she's THE queen, she can take the name
@@RedcoatLeader No, she didn't. The house name didn't change until Victoria's son took the throne.
Prince Phillip insisted that his children take his surname "Mountbatten" which is the Anglicized version of "Battenberg" (where 'berg' means mountain) because the surname should supposedly be always passed on the male line. However, Phillip himself gottten the "Mountbatten" / "Battenberg" from his mother (Princess Alice of Battenberg) and her father (that is Phillip's mother's father) gotten the "Battenberg" from his mother (Julia, Princess of Battenberg, which is Phillip's great-grandmother). So Phillip's argument is literally hypocritical.
"You've taken my career from me, you've taken my home , you've taken my name" Sir, you just became a 20th century wife
You think its the same, you want to be on equal footing? take woman clothes and make her walk in public. That the equivalent from taking away man's name. men will rather die than doing that. same with woman will rather die then walking in public naked.
Not since the early 1800s have women been forced to not be allowed lives and careers. Since the napoleonic era women have had jobs and lives outside of the home, and many times they were forced to work as the family could not afford them not to work.
@@sullivandmitry1416 ha? even since 1300s woman can work outside and make money their own. Who do you think weave all the wool in England?
more like previous centuries, but ok
@@gundarvarr1024 agreed, of course there were much more restriction at that time than in later years. When you really look at history, since even before Roman times, woman have been titans of societal industry, politics, business, fashion, art, and everything else. The modern understanding of women’s lives and rights really began in the mid 1700s to early 1800s, but woman have had their own parts of society since the beginning of mankind.
Man if it were me “hell yeah take it all take the house” meanwhile ill be relaxing in my palace with maids and my personal chefs😂
and private FLYING LESSONS
The point was that they don't like Buckingham Palace. From what I've gathered, it's not a comfortable place to live. Philip and Elizabeth wanted to remain in the stately home that they had just renovated to their tastes, the place that they liked. So what she's really telling him is that, "No, you don't get a say in how our family lives anymore." I'd be annoyed to.
Honestly as much of a brat as he and the whole royal family is, the whole season irritated me as Elisabeth proceeded to wreck anything and everyone in her life for the sake not even of herself, but the crown, when the crown would not have been threatened by anything that the people wanted. She COULD have been flexible. You don't actually have to follow the protocol. "The crown must always win" against what? FOR what? Constipation??? @@seanp2871
"I might be the only man in the country who cannot pass his name to his children"
Lol Philip himself took his mother's surname, Mountbatten, instead of his father's, Glucksburg.
*Philip had no choice. According*
*to the letters Patent that were*
*made into law in 1917* (Geo. V)
" *Titles Deprivation Act 1917* "
1.) No British royal or member of
the Peerage is to possess foreign
citizenship or foreign title(s).
2.) No foreign royals/nobles are
to have British titles, or ranks
real or honorary (military ranks)
3.) Three of the then, existing
Germanic houses in the UK
(a.) anglicize their Germanic
name to an English name *or*
(b.) assume an English name.
Therefore:
*Saxe-Coburg and Gotha* (Victoria's
husband, Prince Albert's last name)
--> to become --> *WINDSOR*
*Battenberg* --> to become -->
*MOUNTBATTEN*
*Teck* [1] --> to become --> *CAMBRIDGE*
Note: "Hanover" ... Victoria's
surname, was not used anymore in
UK by the time of WW1 because the
holders of that surname were no
longer alive.
HOWEVER:
Victoria could not accede to
the throne of Hanover because
of Salic law.
Her uncle, Prince Ernest Augustus
Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale
and Earl of Armagh (1771-1851)
acceded to the Hanoverian throne
in 1837. (He was the 5th son of King
George III of the UK)
Ernest's son, George (b. 1819) was
born as Prince George of Cumberland.
He became George V of Hanover (in
1851) He was the last king of Hanover.
The Hanoverian monarchy was
abolished (1866) by unification
with Germany (formerly Prussia)
George V's of Hanover had only
one son "Ernest Augustus, Crown
Prince of Hanover, *3rd Duke of*
*Cumberland and Teviotdale*
(1845 - 1923),
Ernest Augustus was deprived
of the throne of Hanover upon
its annexation by Prussia in 1866
and later the Duchy of Brunswick
in 1884. *Ernest Augustus was*
*deprived of his British peerages*
*and honours for having sided with*
*Germany in World War I.*
"The Titles Deprivation Act 1917
suspended the title on 28 March
1919." --- Wikipedia (Duke of
Cumberland)
____________________________
Mary of Teck, George V. 's wife had
two brothers both adopted the
name of Cambridge as a surname.
Note: *Prince William being the Duke*
*of Cambridge* (before he was the
Prince of Wales was a new creation.
The last Duke of Cambridge, before
Prince William was Queen Victoria's
first cousin, George (b.1819) Duke
of Cambridge
The above-mentioned first cousin
George Duke of Cambridge had
a sister named Princess Mary
Adelaide of Cambridge.
Mary Adelaide of Cambridge married
Prince Francis Duke of Teck (from the
Kingdom of Württemberg. He was
serving in the Austrian army before
he married Mary Adelaide.
The Duke and Duchess of Teck's oldest
child was a girl named Mary ("May") of
Teck who married George V. of UK
(when he was the Duke of York =
Before Edward VIII abdicated and
became the Duke of Windsor.)
Maybe they could’ve double barrelled. “Windsor-Mountbatten” has a nice ring to it.
They eventually did for their male line descendants. Instead, it’s “Mountbatten-Windsor”
They would have, but the real reason Mountbatten was intolerable by the political top branches was because it was German in a just recently post-WWII Britain, especially given the fact that many of Phillip’s relatives were Nazis themselves. Windsor was the name chosen to erase Germanic symbolism (replacing Hanover) after the first world war and it was used the same way after the second. Everything German had to go.
@@DogeSpeaks True but times have changed. One of the King’s grandchildren is called Archie Mountbatten Windsor.
@@stephenmurphy2212 That's precisely my point I was making. Times have in fact changed, but "at the time" German association was something they were avoiding like the plague. Churchill himself was a huge part in advocating that the Royal family do everything they can to distance themselves from German relations moving forward.
@@stephenmurphy2212 if "Archie" even exists.The King's name at birth was Charles Philip Arthur George Mountbatten-Windsor.
Unpopular opinion: I found Phillip to be the whiniest person In this entire series lol
That's normal, it's just the classical having 0 empathy for men. If it was a woman complaining how everything was taken from her you'd probably be distraught lol.
@@ceejay1476
he was literally whining about having to endure what women are outright expected to endure just for being women. An easier version of it actually, since he doesn't have to worry about retirement while bearing/raising children. If he became an advocate for women's rights it would be one thing, but he gained no empathy for women from experiencing a woman's normal situation. Because at the end of the day most men think women are meant to be second class citizens.
@@ss-ds2dn sorry, don't buy it. You'll see a grown ass woman stubbing her toe and you'll immediately throw yourself at her feet and rant on about how it's all the fault of the evil males. Meanwhile you could see a little boy thrown off a bridge for no reason, raped and strangled and you wouldn't even feel anything whatsoever.
That is the reality for the average feminist.
@@ceejay1476He was annoying because he kept acting emasculated. When he decided to marry the future QUEEN. On top of that the feeling of being emasculated is very sexist.
@@ss-ds2dn Exactly, hard to have empathy for someone with a shit load of money complaining about something half the population is expected to do and does without any of the comforts of servents, summer houses, etc ....
I hate it so much when I have to choose to live in either a palace, country mansion or castle.
Lol!
It is painful when you're from a royal family which have lost its glory, you think are working hard to revive it, but end up giving up totally on it to save your wife's dynasty. That's what happened to the Mountbattens. That's why he's devastated.
@@Sashita_ how? Mountbattens were never a royal house
I always figured they had the same name, seeing as they're cousins and all.
Third cousins. They were pretty distantly related.
@@xxwhispersxx2856Not so distant. They were second cousins once removed through King Christian IX of Denmark and third cousins through Queen Victoria.
The move from Clarence House was painful for Philip, it was virtually the only home he had known. Also the move to Buckingham Palace was not particularly well received by the Queen Mother. She resisted for about a year. Even Margaret objected until she got her own apartment.
This was what was expected of wives... and to eagerly want the deal that would make them sacrifice their career and name... even today...
That was a tough thing to do for any man . To be told there family name must come second to the kingdom.
His voice is everything
I feel for Philip here. He gave up a lot in order to marry Elizabeth, including his royal titles and place in the line of succession for the Greek throne. After only five years of marriage, she ascended to the British throne and Philip was forced to give up even more: his career, his home and his name. That would be hard on anyone.
Yet women are always expected to do that and to not complain. Should you feel for Elizabeth had the roles been reversed, or would you just see it as something normal?
@@FanyLI I think today it's safe to say it's not normal for either men or women. Rather than pointing in the other direction saying "but women have been subject to the same for so long!", it should be held up as a highlight as to why it's not equitable for anyone, regardless of gender.
@NACLGames My thoughts exactly!
But a choice he made nonetheless. And I doubt Greece would have worked out given the history.
Wrong. His marriage had nothing to do with him losing his place in the line of succession to the Greek throne. His father was forced to abdicate in 1922, and he got married in 1947.
It did prevent him from being able to become King of the Danish throne, but he was never going to become their King anyway.
Tbh i cant take phllip’s reactions seriously he acts like he lost everthing by marrying the (future) queen but it’s the opposite he gained so much more than his lastname
Exactly, plus he knew he was going to marry a queen so why complain?
you've taken ? ... my G.... you signed up for this.
😂😂😂😂😂
Prince Philip made a hell of sacrifices for HM to be what she was supposed to. Especially as someone from a family that had lost its glory and working hard to get it back, he rather had to give up totally on it. Must have been painful.
The Rogue Prince!!
He knew what he was getting himself into, so why does he expect everything to go his way?
Philip like many men wanted to be the bread winner, Want his name on everything, Just old school macho
Yep. And I think it' also worth mentioning that Liz got the best of both Matriarchy and Patriarchy, quite a jackpot.
@@Brian-wj7gb Actually in my opinion she didn't challenge the patriarchy really, because in reality she the most senior male line descendant of Queen victoria and that is why she became Queen, had her father had a son then she would have been passed over.
old school lazy a55 macho since he didnt do anything
Ridiculous to think, that he complained so much about it when in fact Mountbatten wasn't his father's name but his mother's. So his children weren't the first ones to use their mother's name, he was.
Philip is learning how it feels to be married as a woman
He chose a life of a dilettante who did not have to toil 40 hrs/week for a paycheque, and somehow no-one ever told him that everything has a price.
Ironically, Phillip did more to earn his name, and worked harder in his life than the Queen. Actually served in the navy. (Cape Matapan), himself was greek royalty forced to flee his home. He was far more deserving of his titles and whatnot than her. (technically)
He could have comfortably lived that life even without paying that price. So, now you look quite stupid, eh?
It was just a huge insult to his manhood, given the values at the time
When you wear the Flower Basket brooch, with diamonds, rubies, sapphires etc for a difficult conversation with your man 😂
While his name was taken away, Prince Phillip as an exchange though have made the monarchy stronger than ever. He pushed for the coronation to be televised which made the British people closer than ever to the queen, he expanded the symbolism of the monarchy, he basically shipped all of his children to boarding school (past royals were homeschooled) which is why Charles, Anne and Edward managed to understand administration and legalities within the charities, Prince Phillip had really supported the crown and the queen during his living. This series may have undermined Prince Phillip’s support yet in reality, without the changes he brought in when Queen Elizabeth steps into reigns, Britain may now have already lost interest in the monarch.
True, the royals were really oblivious to change and were hardcore sticking to outdated customs, the additions to the family brought the changes within and at Britain's perception of the RF, like Prince Philip, Princess Diana and Princess Catherine.
Imo the Royal family learnt their lessons in a hard way through Charles and Diana, it's again because of their resistance to change costed them this lesson.
Windsor was a name change. The original was Saxe-Coberg-Goethe. It was changed by George V during WW1 because of its German origin. The Brits, it seems, have a problem with foreign names for their royal houses.
He knew this when he got married to the person who would be next in line..
I am amazed the name was ever an argument because Windsor wasn't the original name of the family.
No one in Britain would want a German name representing the UK royal family so soon after the Second World War.
I find it a little funny that he thought she, the queen, will take his last name and change the royal family’s name and live somewhere other than the actual palace
Well, as far as the name goes, he was right to think that. That was how it's worked for 1000 years. Queen Victoria was part of the House of Hanover, but her children were a part of the House of Sax-Cobrug & Gotha, Queen Anne was part of the House of Stuart, but her son was part of the House of Oldenburg (though he died befor ascending the throne, he was recognized as part of that house), Mary, Queen of Scots was a Stuart, and her son only kept the name because his father was also a Stuart. Prior to Elizabeth, every instance where a Queen had children, they took their father's names; it was perfectly reasonable to think his would as well.
Then, when it comes to living in Buckingham Palace, neither of them wanted to. They had just renovated Clarence House and wanted to live there. It isn't a far commute, so it isn't unreasonable to think they might be able to keep some of their life separate from the Crown. But Elizabeth caved to pressure and insisted; he's allowed to be annoyed that she's throwing out what both of them want in favor of what the Palace is telling her to do.
Frankly, neither of his complaints here are unreasonable.
@@seanp2871 Just to add that King Charles III has designated Clarence House as his personal residence and Buckingham Palace will only be used for official business in future owing to the fact that it costs a fortune to run and is infested with mice.
This actor is stuck being married to queens but not being king
So that is how Daemon learnt to fly Caraxes?
Playing big roles .they are so good at this
Phillip was right about one thing: it's just advice.
Traditionally, royal heiresses were expected to keep their paternal dynastic and surname until they died even after their marriage. Even Queen Victoria who did everything she could to try to ensure being the progenitor of an endless line of King Alberts' after her death, had stayed a Hanover/Guelph and never attempted to become a Saxe-Coburg Gotha/Wettin herself but recognized that that was to be her sons' and paternal grandchildren's name.
Windsor had been her grandfather George V's reconfiguration of the Germanic Saxe-Coburg Gotha/Wettin from 1917 on to keep the British public from thinking the monarchs had German sympathies during WWI- and her grandmother Mary did her best to guilt trip QEII into declaring that this was to stay her own surname as well as her male progeny's due to her late grandfather's wishes for Windsor to be the perpetual dynastic/surname regardless of it passing through female lines. Essentially, QEII caved to appease her 'Grannie' at the time. However, a few years after Queen Mary's death, she later declared that 'non-Royal' male descendants would use 'Mountbatten-Windsor'. BTW, it's known that Princess Anne signed her 1st marriage license as 'Anne Mountbatten-Windsor' in 1973 when she wed Mark Phillips. Charles III has opted to keep using 'Windsor' alone as his dynastic and surname despite having the option of choosing 'Mountbatten-Windsor' or 'Glucksburg' [the Duke of Edinburgh's original surname when he was a Prince of the Hellenes].
They are the reason, including new Sue Storm. I love and only watched their seasons.
I kinda get his point, but also how could you be so naive, dude? Have you met your in-laws?
Phillip is being a real jackass here. He knew or should have known what he was getting into by marrying the heir to the throne, but likes to blame Elizabeth for following the rules they both know they must play by, and then tries to lay a guilt complex on her.
It's almost like he forgot what his father in law King George V said to him a few episodes earlier. He told Prince Philip that being there, and loving her was his only job. She IS the job, he made it clear at the same time that it meant he would also lose his own career. If you want to see the particular scene just search for "King George talks to Prince Philip"
When you marry a reigning Queen, one might assume that she and the children will keep her name. One may also assume that you will continue with her family traditions
thats bascially wrong, the original family name of Windors was Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (a stil existing German noble family). This is the name of prince albert who was married to Queen Victoria, her lastname was Hannover (also German). There kids where as it was tradition in the family name of the husband. The name change to Windsor was a move, during world war 1, to show the british people that the family who was super german by the ancestors is a british family and not working together with the german cousin of the king, emperor Wilhelm 2.
Until Queen Elizabeth, that was literally never the case. Every other time Queens got married, their children took their father's surnames that the royal lines passed through them with no issue. This whole talk about needing stability is a farce. The reason they weren't allowed is Because Queen Mary and Winston Churchill opposed it (Queen Mary because her husband changed the name to Windsor and Churchill because, from what I gather, he disliked Lord Mountbatten).
This is probably the most fabricated part of the show. The upper class have always historically taken the more powerful family name. If you were a man and lucky enough to marry up, you better be giving up your name.
That almost never happened to royals. The only time I can actually think of it happening is Maria Theresa, and even then her children weren’t Habsburgs, they were Habsburg-Lorraines.
Most of the time they would find a guy from the queen’s royal house, so the name would still stay in the family.
You would think he give up his name when he married up. What examples do you have of men that did that?
Dickie steered them toward each other. Phil seemed to think he was in charge. When you marry the Queen, you are number two; your family name does not change history.
Men have zero problems doing this to women everyday. "I thought we were in this together" should have been "I thought I was going to be King of this castle".
What, taking their homes,names and careers?,my dear lady, you seem to forget the countless amount of ceos and people of power who are women themselves.
@@snapshacks9226 Women are 5% of CEOs and about 20% of the American Congress. We've got a long way to go.
@@cherylhulting1301 they are bumping up though, I believe it's 10 percent as of June
It's bad enough when the Government says "You can't vote" "You can't interfere, only advise, and even then behind closed doors" but the family name and the family home are NONE of the Government's business.
Funnily enough their name is Mountbatten-Windsor now, the current King of England is Charles of Mountbatten, Karl von Battenberg
well actually it's Oldenburg but what gives
Maybe they could have hyphenated both names into Mountbatten-Windsor, or Mountbatten-Windsor-Schlesburgh-Holstein.
They did later on
And the trillions of women throughout time who have given up their name, their home, careers, families..?
Trillions? 😂
@@alexfilma16 you must be a man
They didn't have careers or homes back then, silly. Why do you think working women meant a prostitute? It's because it was the only instance where men regularly saw them at any form of work, WW2 emergency factories nonwithstanding obviously.
@@aleks5405 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Phillip's real last name at birth was not even Mountbatten, it was Glucksburg. Phillip's father's last name was Glucksburg. The Mountbatten's real last name was actually Battenberg. The Battenberg's were living in England during World War 1 and changed their last name to Mountbatten to sound more English and less German. When Phillip joined the British Navy in the 1930's, he changed his last name from Glucksburg to Mountbatten. There is no rational reason why Phillip should have been emotionally attached to Mountbatten at all. Why not call himself Windsor!
For that matter the Royals also changed their name from Saxe Coburg Gotha to Windsor in 1916 in response to the gutter press hysteria mongering of the time. This was said to have prompted the Kaiser's sole joke when he told a newly arrived ambassador that while the war had ended most of Berlin's nightlife the Shakespeare Society was doing a production of the Merry Wives of Saxe Coberg Gotha.
There was only generation of Saxe Gotha Coburg. Strictly the Royal Family was the House of Hanover.
He seems not to have realized what his position would be as the Husband of the Queen and certain things the Queen would have to give up under advice from her Cabinet. Although I wonder if the queen even knew
I think it is very shameful of Harry to change his and his family's name from WIndsor-Mounbatten to Sussex. Guess Prince Philip is rotating in his grave right now.
He didn't change it, his Grandmother did.
Queen Elizabeth II gave him the title; 'His Royal Highness the Duke of Sussex' on the morning of his wedding.
After stepping down from Royal duties he just uses Sussex.
As grandchildren of the ruling Monarch his kids can/could use the 'Prince of Sussex' title, but as they are being raised as private citizens (following their parents wishes) they mostly go by their birth name MountBatten-Windsor.
Many of his actions are shameful, but this isn't one of them.
"you've taken my career, my home, my name" ironically everything a woman would be expected to give up upon marriage in those days.
Yep. Ironic, isn't it?
That sounds like a nice tidy little statement, but do you have any idea what it means to be a successful wife and mother? Does such a woman really lose herself? I would argue that she does not lose, but rather gain, and gain a treasure far beyond your comprehension.
House is still Windsor but Charles is Mountbatten-Windsor
He took flying lessons seriously.
I'm glad I'm an obscure non-royal person.
Montbatten had ambitions beyond his capabilites...as per the botched up 1947 partition of India. He loved to think of himself being an important part of the RF but much, much smarter and cunning people knew how to cut him down to size.
Heavy weighs the crown.
This basically describes what the expectations of a women is back then and today.
We sacrifice everything for the benefit of our family. Supporting our husbands and our children 😊
The British Royal Family surname is Mountbatte-Windsor to this day.
There were most likely people going without certain things, at that time, yet the biggest problem they have, is which last name to use. Fucking ridiculous.
And being forced to move into a palace🙄
@@valr1260Aye.
His name was actually Battenburg, and they changed it to sound less German ,hes moaning about the name, but he had already changed it once before as he is a Battenburg( who knew this ?)
When advice comes from the government you HAVE to take it.
I'm fully aware they're English. It's just as an American it is so Anathema
People need to understand. Not changing the name of the dynasty to that of the husband was a huge break of centuries of tradition.
Anyone who watched Matt Smith in the Crown knew he was gonna kill as Daemon Targaryen
I understand why he feels more than disappointed. He quite literally saw his home, family and heritage taken from him as a young boy then he found a young girl that was a princess that he ended up loving and to top it off, he had a glimmer of hope that his family name, line and heritage would live on as any royal aims for but all of that gone as soon as she becomes the Queen. Yes, women have done it for centuries including royal women however he felt like he was doing his family proud in marrying her, keeping his family line going through his marriage to her from a political point. If I was him, I would have negotiated that their second son takes his name unless something happens to their firstborn son, then the second born son takes her name and takes the throne. Great acting and cast from the Crown. Thanks for uploading.
My man really knows how to play "My wife wears the pants, but I dont have to be happy about it" roles so well. First this, then House of the Dragon. Well done old chap.
Nice that they show what a complete knob Philip was.
And then ignored the things he wasn't a knob about. He was happy and played a big part in Elizabeth's coronation, he was fascinated by space travel, he did a lot of work for science and advancements in the field.
Yes, he's had so little press praising him and hiding his faults. Oh, wait. @@xxwhispersxx2856
A lot of work? Those pampered pooches wouldn't know work if it slapped them on the arse.
Ah... Deamon asking if he can finally start flying on his dragon...
Daemon fav uncle turn out to be Tywin Lannister, what a world we live in
I quite understand Philip's frustration, even I was given my mother's surname which greatly disappointed my dad to this day.
Good for her! Such wonderful woman!
Were your parents married? If not why should you have your fathers name?
@@startracker5895 No they are only lovers, but dad still insisted on that.
In many cultures, still today, that is the tradition, to take the mother's family name. It makes sense too - one is always certain of who the mother is.
I've decided to take flying lessons. Meet Caraxes. I wanted Meleys, she's a bit bigger, but Caraxes will do