Anchoring in Deep Water with Short Scope

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  • @randymorris4716
    @randymorris4716 7 років тому +2

    Great video. Much better than the "hey we bought a boat watch us clean it" videos that are so prevalent on UA-cam. Anything that gives me the confidence that when I anchor my boat and go to sleep that I will be in the same place when I wake up is awesome.

  • @davidc6510
    @davidc6510 5 років тому +2

    Excellent video and informative - seeing how the anchor behaves under loads is better than any text book!

  • @SailingUma
    @SailingUma 8 років тому +19

    Great shots guys! Thanks for sharing your experience. We've had similar results with our Rocna 55# (Though our boat is a 36' and about 9ton) It's amazing how fast and hard they set, and never seem to budge after that.

  • @deckert618
    @deckert618 7 років тому +3

    I've been watching various sailing channels on YT for a few years now, just found yours, and it is my new favorite! Very informative, excellent production value, and beautiful scenery all wrapped in one.

  • @BetterthanitwasNetsailing
    @BetterthanitwasNetsailing 8 років тому +8

    You can really hold your breath, Paul!!! Thanks for making this - very interesting. We too love the Rocna - but we've never had the chance to visit it at work.

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 років тому

      You are welcome Boukadoura! Yes we're lucky the water was so clear it let me find the anchor 50 ft down to film it. Glad you enjoyed the segment.

  • @robertparnoff6424
    @robertparnoff6424 7 років тому +1

    Thanks for the videos, good reminders of our cruising years there. Also I timed a free dive to 30 feet and back and was amazed it only took 30 seconds, one of my efforts to overcome fear.

  • @brianhorner8349
    @brianhorner8349 8 років тому +3

    You guys do such a great job at this stuff! Clear examples, excellent production and an obvious level of expertise combine to make the best cruising vids on the net. Thank you! Please keep them coming.

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 років тому

      We're putting up new UA-cam vids regularly Brian. Glad you like 'em!

  • @hebelson444
    @hebelson444 5 років тому

    Fantastic underwater shots !

  • @vjstudio3875
    @vjstudio3875 8 років тому +5

    loved the spotted eagle ray passing by :)
    subscribed

  • @maccliff2115
    @maccliff2115 Рік тому

    I found this very interesting, informative, and entertaining. I was searching for how boats anchor in deep water, I guess they need that much chain otherwise the anchor just acts as a bobber dragging along.
    Great footage. Don’t know how you held your breath for so long.
    Very nice video.

  • @randalqueen5653
    @randalqueen5653 3 роки тому

    From April, 2007 through Oct, 2010 - I circumnavigated most of S.E. Alaska on a 27 ft Albin Family Cruiser, of which I had added a hard top above the center cockpit and aft cabin, along with eisenglass sides. I anchored close to 500 anchorages at a 3:1 for the most part. I had 33 ft of chain and then my rode on a Rocna Anchor. Few things I loved more, than never dragging anchor - and being able to anchor in small coves and nooks. Whenever I was in doubt, I would clip a sentinel 10 lb anchor onto the rode and let it down 20 ft on a bridal system. That kept the rode and chain at a better angle than your curve. I even anchored right off Pt Adolphus in a rock bed. Knowing full well the rip tides that went through. More than one boat came by to ask if I really intended to stay there over night. I stayed for 3 nights and slept well. I never would have been able to use an all anchor rode. The deepest I anchored was 60 ft. Still on a 3:1. I did anchor a few times on a 5:1 near other boats and accounted for swing. I also never could figure out how to anchor deeper, which I was hoping to learn in this video. There were a few isolated coves up there that the minimal anchor depth was over 100 ft. and thus, I never got to explore those areas. When I anchored at 60 ft, I did so very close to a stream/waterfall, trying to keep off the shallow tidal flat that aligned that area, as it went from deep to a tide flat that went dry. When I awoke in the morning, I would see the boat was almost beached on the tidal flat, but not that bad. Had a keel slightly grounded while the rest of the boat was wet. The winds had almost offset that stream which kept me from really going hard onto the flats. I had to pull a little extra by hand that day, but laughed. Life was so good then. Yes, I pulled my anchor by hand over 500 times. Probably closer to 800, as often I would set the pick for lunch and go kayaking and explore, then come back and pull and move for a night anchorage.

  • @gitasailing4665
    @gitasailing4665 7 років тому

    Ah! One of my favorite videos! So great to see a Rocna dig in! I use my #55 in sand at scorpion anchorage at Santa Cruz channel island. 3.5 scope in 40 feet - all chain (with stern anchor when the place starts to fill) thanks! We're on a 43 ft custom bob perry cutter.

  • @Josh-of-all-Trades
    @Josh-of-all-Trades 6 років тому

    Really cool to see what is actually going on down there.

  • @gordonturner8544
    @gordonturner8544 7 років тому

    Superb video. No catenary In a storm, but so useful in normal conditions

  • @knot4man
    @knot4man 5 років тому +1

    I'm sorry if this is perceived as "thread drift" but anyone wanting to free-dive should be aware of shallow-water blackout. It's fatal, and caused by trying to increase diving depth or endurance by hyperventilating.

  • @robertlee8042
    @robertlee8042 4 роки тому +1

    Well done. Really important.

  • @yousuxalot
    @yousuxalot 8 років тому +1

    you guys really give alot of great info..thanks

  • @RockwoodJoe
    @RockwoodJoe 8 років тому +5

    I went all rode, chain made no difference at 45 knots. 100' of rope stretches nearly 10' for nice dampening and lighter weight for planing boat. Must agree the Rocna is impressive, except when rocks or objects clog the roll bar. Thanks for the vid!

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 років тому

      You're welcome! I definitely agree for a planing boat you need to watch the weight... then you can get a bigger anchor :-) and still save weight...

    • @lvgeorge
      @lvgeorge 6 років тому

      So your're saying, you need the weight regardless for proper anchoring?

  • @xxtwr1
    @xxtwr1 8 років тому

    Wish I could hold my breath like that. All good information. We use 150' chain, 200' rode. Am nervous about anything less than 4/1, prefer at least 5/1 for a good nights sleep. Excellent video. And to cruisers, always snorkel the anchor when feasible.

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 років тому +1

      Agree 4:1 is normal minimum! On our first boat we had a similar rode - 145' 3/8 chain plus rope. Sufficient for most situations. Glad you enjoyed the video!

  • @dehdeh55
    @dehdeh55 7 років тому

    Nice job watching and filming anchor. You appear to be free diving, so you can hold your breath and exercise in deep water WAY better than I can.

  • @jeremyrainman
    @jeremyrainman 8 років тому +1

    great video, I've always wanted to know what anchors looked like physically when dragging, good to see the rocna perform.

  • @iveywin
    @iveywin 2 роки тому

    This is a superb video, thank you. I also have a 73lb Rocna and a big fan! I wanted to ask how much chain you carry and whether you notice if the weight of the chain once in the chain locker, plus the weight of the anchor, improves the sailing characteristics of the vessel by keeping the bow from hobby horsing and ultimately a more comfortable sail in choppy seas. Thanks again!

  • @svbarryduckworth628
    @svbarryduckworth628 8 років тому +9

    You have some impressive diving skills. How long did it take you to build up the ability to dive so deep and long without air?

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 років тому +3

      I started free-diving when we first cruised the Bahamas back in '89...

    • @rcdubbin0184
      @rcdubbin0184 Рік тому

      10 yrs

  • @2kr990
    @2kr990 8 років тому

    Nice video...easy to watch...good job...

  • @billhanna8838
    @billhanna8838 8 років тому +37

    how the hell do u manage to dive like that ,10 points.well done.

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 років тому +13

      I love free diving! Been doing it for years... practice helps

    • @billhanna8838
      @billhanna8838 8 років тому +2

      I'm down to 10 ft now , must have been that over zealous youth, Nice posts ,very well and clearly explained. Keep up the good work

    • @TempoDrift1480
      @TempoDrift1480 7 років тому

      Distant Shores TV How deep could one go just like that? I assume it would depend on how long you can hold your breath but what is a reasonable max?

    • @eloyex
      @eloyex 6 років тому +1

      wow ........ i would love to dive 25% of that !!!!!!! well done .!! like this clips ....

    • @FaddaWolf
      @FaddaWolf 5 років тому +1

      you're actually good to freedive with such a huge mask and such small fins. You should probably look into freedive specific gear. WIll make your job easier, more comfortable and much more enjoyable. Just a low volume mask and a pair of proper freedive long fins MY Personal best was 87 feet. but i can do a day of back to back 60's reasonably comfortably.

  • @bill4nier
    @bill4nier 6 років тому

    Great info and the video demonstrating how to set an anchor. Thanks for sharing! 😍⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵😊👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

  • @Chillwabbitt
    @Chillwabbitt 5 років тому +1

    Hey Paul, just out of interest as a freediver(amateur and untrained), what is your longest breath hold? Do you pack air or like me just fight the need to breath until "it goes away". That Rocna sure does a great job.

  • @SK22000
    @SK22000 6 років тому +1

    I learned a lot of this from the Navy but i wondered how it was done on a smaller scale. The smallest ship I was on was 609 ft.

  • @jonathancandor4476
    @jonathancandor4476 2 роки тому

    I just solo sailed my Pearson 323 for the first time today. I anchored with a little more scope then I was shown by the boats previous owner and wanted to freshen up My anchoring knowledge.

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  2 роки тому

      Hey congratulations, Jonathon! Glad the anchoring videos have been helpful.

  • @gs9976
    @gs9976 7 років тому

    very wise of you to get a rocna - the only thing a cqr does well is drag without setting

  • @virgilio822
    @virgilio822 6 років тому

    Its a great advices fore any sailing people.

  • @OldSchoolDo
    @OldSchoolDo 8 років тому +3

    excellent video . very well executed!
    i learned a lot .D

  • @cybermiso1
    @cybermiso1 7 років тому +1

    In this video 3 very important aspects are forgotten; 1.tides, 2. waves, change of wind direction for 180.

  • @olddog57
    @olddog57 3 роки тому

    What kind of chain do you use?
    I think big heavy chain adds safety with shorter scope - meaning the 3:1 scope might work for 12 or 10 mm chain but could fail for 8 mm (I use 8 mm grade 70 chain with my 55lb Rocna)

  • @kirk9671
    @kirk9671 3 роки тому

    How much chain do i need? I will have a cat and want to avoid weight I don't need. Does.scope.acbeived via nylon help.at all? Would 100 feet of chain and 300 feet of nylon be better than what chain u used in the video?

  • @CaptMarkSVAlcina
    @CaptMarkSVAlcina 8 років тому +2

    Well I like what you did, and I came across your vlog from Gone with the Wynns. And I am now a Subscribed.

  • @svalchemy
    @svalchemy 8 років тому

    I think this and S/V Panope's excellent videos demonstrate how anchoring technique, not just anchor type, play such a huge role in anchoring success. I assume you are measuring the scope from the snubber at the WL and not from the bow.

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 років тому

      Actually we are measuring the scope from the bow...

    • @svalchemy
      @svalchemy 8 років тому

      Hmm. The effective length of rode is from the attachment point on the anchor shank to the snubber or bridle, which I thought I saw you using, at the waterline. You throw in the height to the bow when you're snubbed off on the deck over the roller or through a chock...that's my understanding. Am I wrong?

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 років тому +1

      Both chain and snubber are connected over our bow roller so I used that height. I have often thought it might be helpful to have a snubber point at the waterline...

    • @svalchemy
      @svalchemy 8 років тому

      OH, ok...that explains your reasoning...thank you.. I am fortunate enough to have a 1/2 in. steel plate with two 1/4" holes at our waterline stem. The top hole takes the bobstay and the bottom is for the snubber. Consequently, while I can deploy a bridle from the bow bollards via the fairleads down to the WL, the snubber is never *not* at the waterline. Yes, I think it's a great thing to have: you can either loop the snubber with a Dyneema loop through the plate or pin it with a shackle, but it puts the "pivot" lower and as forward as you find convenient, which smooths out the yanking motion in rolly conditions. Really, it need be nothing more than a strongly backed U-bolt (SS, of course). Maybe your new boat can have this attribute.

  • @WillN2Go1
    @WillN2Go1 3 роки тому

    I wonder if in deep water like this an extra weight could be attached on the chain close to the anchor, say 10' up the chain to ensure that the last section of chain is flatter, and pulling the anchor (more) parallel to the bottom position for setting.
    I think if this added mass were the same as the anchor this would almost certainly happen. But this would be cumbersome (Unless instead of the 73 pound anchor a 40 pound anchor and a 40 pound weight were used, one to dig in and set the other to flatten the chain at the bottom (the extra mass would flatten the bottom end of the catenary).
    Either this is a very clever conjecture based on first principles, or there's 200 years of yellowing analysis of why this can't work.
    The way an anchor works has components. There has to be enough weight to sink the anchor to the sea floor, it has to dig into the bottom, and the weight of the chain makes it so the anchor is pulled parallel to the bottom to set.
    (But how important is the actual weight? In the video 200lbs of chain, 73lbs of anchor. Wouldn't 270lp anchor and a good Dyneema or Spectra line work better? If that 270lbs were just a ball, it wouldn't dig in and set, just drag... so how important is the weight?
    Modern anchor designs seem less about the weight (though of course that's always a factor) and more and more about the set. Does it matter if at dock you tie off to massive iron cleats or aluminum ones? In this case the critical factor is that the cleat is firmly bolted to the dock. That's like the set of the anchor. Somewhere between weight and set is the 'sweet spot' and sure maybe 200 lbs of chain is only useful in some situations but not most others.... in those other situations the extra mass is never a problem. Just thinking out loud. It's probably best that I learn how it's done and practice that before I try reinventing the anchor.

  • @SailBeforeSunset
    @SailBeforeSunset 8 років тому

    This is great information.

  • @SailingPauHana
    @SailingPauHana 4 роки тому

    How often do you anchor in 40 feet of water in the Caribbean? Very informative video btw.

  • @mathiaswagner6457
    @mathiaswagner6457 3 роки тому

    Scope is not a good criteria for deciding how much chain to pay out. It really depends on the anchor depth. In very deep water, a scope of just 2:1 can be perfectly fine to weather even a massive storm!

  • @camtheman559
    @camtheman559 2 роки тому

    Can you hold your bong hits as long as your breath? Nice video bro!

  • @bhalse8132
    @bhalse8132 8 років тому +1

    Very informative. Thank you.

  • @bigbadbaby7640
    @bigbadbaby7640 3 роки тому

    Very cool ❤️

  • @8hng
    @8hng 3 роки тому

    job well done.

  • @OceanMaverick
    @OceanMaverick 5 років тому +1

    A bit misleading as wind waves, swell, surges will get the anchor quickly dragging.

  • @8MGA
    @8MGA 4 роки тому

    Hi, thanks for all, i need to change for a new diesel marine engine on my old 40 feets camper Nicolson. What and where do you sugjest to do it ? Yanmar, Volvo... Around corsica...thanks, see you soon

  • @deerfootnz
    @deerfootnz Рік тому

    In even deeper water you can go with even less scope. I recently had to anchor in 38m with 100m of chain. The forecast was good, but the engine couldn't drag the anchor....

  • @csranch2000
    @csranch2000 8 років тому +1

    Great video! You said the Ronca is a 73lb anchor. What size boat is that recommended for and what size is your boat. I am looking at different anchors now for my 40' P/B, don't hate me, Hope to be cruising Bahamas in another year. Love your channel.

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 років тому

      Glad you liked the vids! Our boat is a 49 ft sailboat 35,000 lbs. Rocna have a good table recommending sizes here www.rocna.com/product-range/sizing-guide Have fun in the Bahamas!

  • @bigbadbaby7640
    @bigbadbaby7640 3 роки тому

    Very beautiful ☺️

  • @russellcole3549
    @russellcole3549 7 років тому

    Really cool video. I watched it twice, which I never do on UA-cam. Wish I could hit 50 feet holding my breath, but I only get about 30, or maybe 40 of I am really working at it. But I'm old.
    Russ

  • @roodlesprease7659
    @roodlesprease7659 8 років тому

    nice color waters

  • @SeattleLifeguard
    @SeattleLifeguard 8 років тому

    I've never seen it done, but I've always wondered what would happen if you had a chain rode and anchor, and to that anchor you attached another length of chain followed by a second anchor. I wonder if they'd both set and create an even better holding situation.

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 років тому

      I have tried this with our old CQR (which did need help :-) and a danforth. It did help I think but was very difficult to set and even more fuss to retrieve. See the in-depth article here...www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors/tandem-anchoring.php
      We also occasionally do the Bahamian mooring (for which we filmed a how-two-video) which is perfect for areas where you know the tide will swing the boat around backwards on the anchor.

  • @jwrappuhn71
    @jwrappuhn71 8 років тому

    Good info ya'll, you should make more of them vids.

  • @seanflanagan5674
    @seanflanagan5674 7 років тому

    "The chain hangs in a curved shape called a CATEENIARY"? Surely you meant to say catenary (kăt′n-ĕr′ē, kə-tē′nə-rē - I believe that the second form is the way the Brits pronounce it), right? I cringe at such an error because, as comments from very skilled sailors attests, this vid is of excellent quality and great value.
    Cheers!

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  7 років тому +1

      Please don't cringe :-) I am sure I said catenary not "cateniary"... I hope I am using the British pronunciation properly (due to my British heritage I suppose)

    • @seanflanagan5674
      @seanflanagan5674 7 років тому

      Distant Shores TV
      Great! Since you pronounced it properly (although with a strong yet pleasing British accent), what I heard is moot (though almost never mute, as many folk wish), and can be attributed to my Uhmareicun ears without fear of contradiction.
      Ya'll have yerselves uh nice day!

    • @rcdubbin0184
      @rcdubbin0184 Рік тому

      No worries.. Privacy will be respected as it was. Have a good summer.

  • @ainsleytidd3625
    @ainsleytidd3625 7 років тому +1

    you make reference to 3 to 1 and 4 to 1 to the novice can you explain what this means please

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  7 років тому

      We did a video on that here ua-cam.com/video/ROKs-RzFQaQ/v-deo.html
      Basically its the ratio of chain to water depth...

    • @ainsleytidd3625
      @ainsleytidd3625 7 років тому

      many thanks

  • @SOLDOZER
    @SOLDOZER 3 роки тому

    I can hardly hold my breath long enough to scrub the bottom of the boat for 10 seconds.

  • @shannonmchugh3993
    @shannonmchugh3993 5 років тому

    Can you please tell me the name of the curve? Im trying to look it up and cant find info

  • @dennismacdonald2003
    @dennismacdonald2003 7 років тому

    Great videos tyvm

  • @rcdubbin0184
    @rcdubbin0184 Рік тому

    Where's all the AM frequently, though. ghz 🏴‍☠️

  • @wmobrien55
    @wmobrien55 8 років тому +1

    I wonder how much difference wave action would make??

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 років тому

      I think the waves tugging only effect the anchor in shallower water, unless they are large swells since the length of rode absorbs the cyclic action of the seas.

  • @10lauset
    @10lauset 3 роки тому

    Cheers

  • @Razorfish
    @Razorfish 8 років тому

    Why not attach a 2nd anchor directly to the chain a short distance from the main anchor? Say 20-30 feet.

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  8 років тому

      This would add weight and hold the chain down... so it would function like a pellet - see Rocna's article here. I'm not sure it would be worth the trouble as you might have trouble retrieving the set up... how about a bigger anchor :-) ?kb.rocna.com/kb/Kellets_and_buoys

    • @Razorfish
      @Razorfish 8 років тому +2

      Distant Shores TV
      Ah. Both would be pulled up at the same time. I didn't think of that. Thanks.

  • @eloyex
    @eloyex 6 років тому

    by the way , i have the same setup .. a macho-Man real heavy iron plow anchor and ...... the aluminum fortress ...
    the fortress , well I hate it !! so many failed anchorings ..! i have it only as a spare and becuase of the weight ,,,,,,,,,,,

  • @rcdubbin0184
    @rcdubbin0184 Рік тому

    Pressure release by nos blow blockage

  • @starburst12191
    @starburst12191 7 років тому

    OK when i go underwater like 10-12 feet my head feels like its going to explode. HOW DOES HE DO THAT???

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  7 років тому +2

      Please do not dive deep is it hurts AT ALL. You must equalize the pressure in your ears. I hold my nose and gently blow out. Do this every 2 feet as you go down...

    • @rcdubbin0184
      @rcdubbin0184 Рік тому

      Nos and two fingers on the nose

  • @CHRIS198490
    @CHRIS198490 6 років тому

    why anchor is so important ?

  • @walterbacic6292
    @walterbacic6292 4 роки тому

    Sandy ground and a good anker. Not really a high risk situation.

  • @عاشقالبحر-غ6ب
    @عاشقالبحر-غ6ب 6 років тому

    الحمد لله نعمل في البحر ولدينا خبرة ليست بقليه من أجدادنا مصريين وسعوديين ويمنيين تعلمناها من أجدادنا فى هذا المجال بالفطره ولاكن ينقصنا بعض الشهادات

  • @baylonaj
    @baylonaj 3 роки тому

    No offense, but this made me want to go nighty night. Gonna dream about being embraced by the sea...snore

    • @rcdubbin0184
      @rcdubbin0184 Рік тому +1

      With an deep bass and deep sea current. Pirates should keep it chill:))

  • @salvor1
    @salvor1 7 років тому

    that didn't seem like deep or short.

  • @Trump-a-Tron
    @Trump-a-Tron 5 років тому

    How the f***k does 200-4--lb of weight hold an entire boat??? I never understood how anchors work.
    It's some bullsh*t magic.

  • @JacobFerchec
    @JacobFerchec 7 років тому

    Why not add numbers on screen in metric system? It would be very helpful.

  • @TheJessehart05
    @TheJessehart05 8 років тому

    I like your videos but they all seem so 1990s. Still good information.

  • @bcbit01
    @bcbit01 7 років тому

    I could make this video a lot shorter.......A single frame for 15 seconds with the following text, "DON'T DO IT!."

    • @DistantShoresTV
      @DistantShoresTV  7 років тому +1

      Do you mean don't anchor in deep water? Or don't shorten the scope when you do? In many anchorage situations the deep water shorter scope option can help out... but the video needs to be longer than 15 seconds ;-)

    • @bcbit01
      @bcbit01 7 років тому

      Yes. Do not anchor in deep water. In my opinion, any anchoring situation with scope of less than 5:1 requires a watch. and if you have a watch, you don' t need to anchor. If you are mid-passage and your entire crew is too tired to stand watch, you've made a previous, more serious safety error.

    • @rcdubbin0184
      @rcdubbin0184 Рік тому

      OK atleast two don't pass out when arriving at the Marina. Got it