Jim Cornette on The Best Lineup Of The Four Horsemen
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2024
- From Episode 168 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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Flair, Anderson,Blanchard and Windham was my favorite.
That was Flair's favorite version also according to his dvd
I definitely agree... 😎👍
Nothing will close to the original incarnation of Ric Flair, Tully Blanchard, JJ Dillion, Arn & Ole Anderson. The Four Horsemen were the measuring sticks for all future factions
Agreed, nothing beats the original. The combo of Flair, Arn, Benoit & Malenko had potential. They should've been put together sooner in 1996 when Benoit & Malenko came over from ECW.
@@michaelmarino7391 I liked that lineup too. Malenko as the serious technical cruiserweight was a great piece for a faction of that nature. Mongo McMichael is up there among the worst of the various horsemen members.
I disagree only in that as far as ring work+charisma, Barry Windham was better than Ole by far. Therefore, Flair, Arn, Tully, Barry. Best. Flair, Arn, Benoit and Pillman could have been amazing had they been put together sooner!
the Ole lineup also had the us, tv, national tag team and world heavyweight titles.
@@jordan_8329 yah id take Fuckin Paul Roma as a member over McMichael..
"Where are we partying tonight Arn ? Wooo" - Ric Flair
Honky Tonk Man!
HTM - loved that quote, was so funny but in the best way (not intended by him) but the Naitch is legendary for partying!
I still think the 4 horseman of ric flair, arn Anderson, Chris Benoit and Brian pillman is the most underrated version of the 4 horseman.
👌🏾🔥 I forgot ALL about that version. When I think of Benoit as a Horseman, I always think about the ones with Malenko.
Yeah, out of the new Horsemen, I thought that was the most solid lineup. It's just a shame how short-lived it was due to Pillman going off to do his own thing.
According to Flair & Arn, Oles spot was always meant for Barry. They were stronger and drew more money with Ole since he was in the original lineup. But with Barry was more their style and he was younger then all of them.
Ole "I don't remember" "I liked to make money" Anderson
If Pillman had not left WCW Flair,Anderson,Pillman and Benoit could have very well become the best.
They really missed the boat by not simply adding the Hollywood Blondes and making it Flair, AA, Pillman and Austin. That group would've been awesome. As much as I loved Benoit (the wrestler), he never really fit as a Horsemen in my eyes.
@@manuelper in terms of his work in ring yes he did. As a personality, no. He wasnt a promo like flair or arn or even Tully. But as an in ring talent he could hang or even surpass the rest but yeah he couldnt cut a promo up to horseman snuff. But I do like your idea of Austin and pillman. Austin as a horseman would have been lit
Barry ,ric,arn and Tully
My choices: Ric, Tully, Arn and Ole, with JJ Dillion. Then the Windham grouping. Lex was stiff, but he had a great rivalry with Nikita Koloff. Without Tully and JJ, it was just a pale imitation.
Agreed
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The last of the original unit. Barry made it the best version
The version with Barry was probably the best collection in terms of work rate but the version with Luger was very good because Luger had the best look and represented the "future" similar to the dynamic with Evolution.
.... oh good grief, Corny, just answer the damn question .... LMAO
Ole looked like a tractor salesman
Also the Ole lineup had the us, tv, national tag team and world heavyweight titles.
My dream line-up of Horsemen would be 4 Mongos lol
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I think the best Horsemen lineup is Ric Flair, Barry Windham, Arn Anderson, and Tully Blanchard!
They had all the major titles too!
@no name the question isn't who your favorite Horsemen are, it was which was the best lineup.
Flair, Arn, Tully, Windham, though Ole in Windham's spot gets an honorable mention.
I like it when Brian corrects Jim on the time lines
Barry, Ric, Arn, Tully
Flair, Arn, Tully, Barry. Ole never looked the part to me
Ole looked like a Tractor salesman
Im aware of what we just talked about.
I just didnt know what we just talked about.
I was born in 98 so I can only base this on footage online and the network,etc but for me I always picture the version that formed in 1988:Flair,(Arn) Anderson,Blanchard, and Windham with JJ Dillon as manager.
Surfer Sting was probably the worst member just because of how out of place it was, like grilled pineapple or John Stamos as a Beach Boy.
Jesse and the Rippers covering Forever..😂😂
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Flair, Arn, Tully & Barry will always be the gold standard to me
Flair, Windham, Arn and Tully was the best line up. Unfortunately timing and circumstances were against them.
But those 4 just fitted and clicked. In every other incarnation there was always one member who felt out of place: Ole, Luger, Sting, Sid, Mongo... I always liked the potential of Flair, Arn, Pillman and Benoit though.
Paul Roma was more out of place before Mongo.
Diamonds are forever and so are the Horsemen - Ric Flair
Ric, Arn, Tully, Barry.
My favorite is Flair, Arn, Tully and Windham
I think the iteration with Ole did the most great stuff (eg - breaking Dusty's hand in the parking lot), but I loved Windham and wish that they had made a long, long run with Barry. I do remember one time where there was a cage match and Barry had hid under the ring and he came out and assisted while people were trying to get in to help... great stuff.
The Horsemen with Ole, will never be surpassed. With Ole the horsemen were more vicious, and more hated by the crowds than at any other time. And you saw it coming when Ole, Arn, and Ric broke dusty’s leg in the Omni.
Flair, Windham, Tully, and Arn.
1988 Horsemen with Barry was the Chicago Bulls Of Wrestling
I'm calling you out Arn Anderson!!!
-Daniel Tosh
I can only go by what I grew up with..
which was Malenko, Flair, Anderson, and Benoit..
Pillman did some of his best work in WCW as “The Rogue Horseman”; Sting was a Horseman for about 2 weeks before he was given the boot as part of an ongoing storyline.
Lol. You did "rouge" instead of "rogue." I only mention that for the visual of Brian Pillman running around with rouge on his face saying he's a Horseman!
@@jeffreyriley8742 oops...anyway, that period of time was some of his best work; it was appointment TV at my house
The Original Lineup with Ole. People say Ole didn't fit but to me he fit perfectly because he could stand on his own unlike Luger.
I Had to Deal with Older Kids that *Acted* Like The 4-HorseMen...
Back In TheDay.
I liked Benoit being in the 4 horsemen. You get in the ring with him and he would beat the shit out of you. But Steve Mongo McMichael...lol
Before that it was flair, arn, pillman and benoit. That lineup would have kicked ass had it lasted longer.
Ole , Flair , Tully and Arn - best
Ric, The Enforcer,Tully,Barry with JJ Dillion
Minnesota wrecking crew, Tully and Flair! by the way Jim, come east to Pikeville for Hillbilly Days!!
Never bought Wyndham as heel, in no small part because I used to run into him and he’s just an incredibly nice guy.
Mine was Flair, Blanchard/Andersen and Wyndham
Dream lineup. Mongo, Lex, Roma and Sting lol
Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, Brian Pullman & Chris Benoit.
Dream Match: 4 Horsemen VS Hart Foundation. Ric, Arn, Tully, Luger, Barry VS Bret, Jim, Owen, Davy Boy, and Pillman.
The original 4 Horsemen was the most accepted and made the most sense. The Barry Windham version was powerful and talented. Romo should have been a BabyFace.
I’m a Flair/Malenko/Benoit/Arn guy but then again I came in pretty late in the game, anything before 1989 is a blur
Due to lack of cable before 1990, I didn't get to see the Horsemen prior to the Sid Vicious lineup. Looking back, I think the best lineup was Flair, Arm, Tully, and Windham. Barry was a natural Horseman.
Flair, Windham, Tully, and Arn managed by Dillion.
Well, Jim per usual, we concur, but I think that they wasn't "Not as hot by then." Barry's heel turn was great, the epic "Pier 6 brawl" as Good Ole Jr said was great, then his US Title run, plus the OG 3!! IDK Jim!
The Original 4 are my favorite.
Flair, Arn, Tully, and Windham were the best combo
Most underrated four was Flair, Arn, Benoit, and Malenko
Don't forget McMichael, he was part of that unit.
@@gregorylevi1826 What does that have to do with what I posted?
@@gregorywatkins6702 because McMichael was part of that unit & Arn was their advisor(taking over JJ's old spot)
@@gregorylevi1826 I’m talking about after McMichael left. I know Arn had retired by then but I liked those 4 together. McMichael isn’t a Horsemen IMO
I know I’m a little different, but I think the best lineup was with Luger. Before 1987, I never saw Lex. I only read about him in the Apter mags with his great battles against Ric Flair in Florida. They hypied him as the next Kerry Von Erich. when he came to WCW it was like Reggie Jackson joining the Yankees. Barry Windham was also sensational, but it was long overdue. It should’ve happened back in 1984-85, if he had not join the WWF...
Original was the best. Many forget the original line up had the tv title (arn), us (tully), national tag team (ole n arn), world heavyweight (flair). Also Ole's line up broke Dusty leg and arm, they were intense. Also the Pillman lineup had so much potential.
Say what you will about Paul Roma as a Horseman... I actually liked his team Pretty Wonderful with Paul Orndorff... Worst Horseman was Mongo.
My favourite line-up... Flair, Arn, Benoit, Malenko
In a different lifetime, we could have had the following: Flair, Windham, Benoit and Arn.
Without Tully it's not quite what it needed to be however if you replace Tully with Benoit then you could get away with it. The problem is all these former horsemen vary in age.
Flair, Malenko, McMichael, & Benoit with Arn as the advisor.
Ric, Barry, Tully and Arn ...the gold standard
@ Stop that
The scariest horsemen lineup was Flair,Arn, Wyndham, and Sid
The original lineup was the best. Ole worked best as a Horseman because he still generated a lot of heel heat. Tully always generated heel heat, but Flair, Arn and Windham would get babyface pops...Ole not so much. I think Barry was a better singles worker than Ole, particularly at that point when Barry was in his prime and Ole was well past his prime. But Ole was the better tag worker. Tully and Arn were the best tag team combo, but Ole and Arn weren't too far off. And with Ole and Arn as a tag team, that allowed Tully to be the TV Title champ and essentially to be the top heel in the company when Flair was out of territory defending the World Title.
Plus, they had JJ as the manager.
Brian was right about Roma. Really talented in the ring and had a great look. But he was basically a prelim guy in the WWF for years and everybody saw him as that. He also wasn't good on the mic. They needed to bring Roma in as a singles wrestler and build him up over time and get him over strong and then consider putting him in the Horsemen if they could get the fans to change their perception of him. Instead they just put him in the Horsemen and everybody was like 'why is this jobber in the Horsemen?'
The original lineup or the one with The Loose Cannon, even though the latter wasn't used to its full potential because Brian tricked Bischoff into letting him out of his contract, so that he could go to WWF for a bigger payday.
Anything with Ole is instant classic.
Also, Ole is the only guy that could stand up to Flair. Ole also gave everything that sense of seriousness and legitimacy. Without him the Horsemen were just a fad.
For a little bit it was Arn , Ole, me , and Flair. But Flair was jealous because I was getting more girls at the bar then him. I was up for a world TV title but had a knee injury. Flair pushed me out and I went back to Canada 🇨🇦. So by the time the Horseman hit TBS I was already gone.
Ole, Arn, Tully and Flair were the best incarnation of the horsemen as the first is always the best. Everyone's first is always the best
The version with Ole was meaner, nastier, and had the fear factor.
Corny is right that the first three versions are the only ones that matter. I love the original version with Ole because I was watching at the time it was all coming together in the Summer of '85. If you were watching NWA/Mid-Atlantic TV with Bob Caudle, you know what I'm talking about. They were a little more "Evil, Mean, & Nasty" than the other two, plus they had the longest run. Barry #2, and Lex #3. The consensus is that Ric, Arn, and Tully were the nucleus of that group, they were the ones carrying the company, and they dominated the NWA for a three year run. Take any one of those guys out, whether it was Tully and Arn, and then Tully, the NWA/WCW doesn't have a Dominating Horsemen faction in their company, and they never did again. 1985 thru 1988 was Horsemen Dominance in pro wrestling!
The original version was and always will be the best!
I always thought the line up of Flair, Blanchard, Anderson and Windham was the best incarnation of the Horsemen in my opinion. The worst incarnations of The Horsemen in my opinion were in 91 with Ric Flair, Barry Windham, Arn Anderson, and Sid Vicious, the one in 93 with Paul Roma, little side note, on the "Ride with Ric Flair and The Four Horsemen" DVD, Paul Roma stood up for himself and actually admitted he wasn't in any way shape or form Four Horsemen material because he didn't drink like the others did, he didn't strip like a strip dancer or anything. Also the incarnations with Mongo, Hennig, Jarrett, Pillman and Benoit were also the worst incarnations but the one with Hennig doesn't count because as soon as Arn gave him the spot of the enforcer of the Horsemen, he turned on them at Fall Brawl 97 to join the NWO.
Barry Wyndham version was my favorite
Flair, Arn, Tully, and Luger, with JJ. Barry was a better worker than Luger was (but not by much-88 to 90 Luger was pretty good), but the dynamics of the group were just best with that lineup. Tully was the sneering yuppie businessman. Arn was the tough talking roughhouse son of a bitch. Luger was the lab experiment, physically perfect and not afraid to remind you. Flair was the golden god that held it together.
Shameful admission time: I didn't hate Minnesota Wrecking 2 as much as everyone else did.
The OG Horsemen are easily my favorite. They may not have been the most successful title wise but they're the best
I would have left Sting in the Horsemen until the title match with Flair and had Luger & Barry get involved then have Ole & Arn come in and act like they were gonna defend Sting and then goozle Sting at that point and have the group be Flair, Arn, Lex, and Barry w Ole as the manager…
Sid, Luger, Roma and Mongo were all Horsemen. Imagine if that was a Horsemen lineup at any point.
Replace Luger with Kendall Windham that would be even better.
The original 4 can’t be beat in my book. They drew money and heat. I also thought the 2nd version with Lex was great. Mind you we didn’t know anything about kayfabe, work rate, promo ability or any of that stuff back then. Lex had a great look and had a great finisher with the torture rack.
I like the four Horsemen with Chris Benoit
Steve mongo McMichael Ric Flair and arn Anderson
Don't forget "The Man Of A Thousand Holds" Dean Malenko. He was part of that unit.
James, Lars, Kirk, Rob
Flair, Ole, Arn, and Tully. Though I mostly remember the various ones with Flair, Arn, Benoit, and Pillman/Mongo/Malenko. Mongo sucked hard, and should have been a wrestler, much less a Horseman. But I think Benoit, Pillman, and Malenko were among the best technical workers ever, and were at least as good in their Horsemen iterations in terms of in ring ability as any of them. Luger and Sting were never really good fits for the Horsemen, and Roma, Jarrett, and Sid should have definitely never been Horsemen.
Flair,Anderson,Benoit and Mongo is Peak Horsemen.
Don't forget Malenko, he was part of that team too.
I want to post this question John from Mich to Jim cornette or Brian like I said on Jr's page how do you think Hot Stuff Eddie Gilbert would have been as a Four Horsemen I think he would have fit in the best like when they first started out if that was original four have Ric Flair as champion tully and arn tag team champions and Hot Stuff Eddie Gilbert as TV champion or US champion?
Way to hang in there Kev
I always preferred them with Luger
The original lineup was by far the best. Ole and Tully were heat seeking magnets. Arn was the up and comer who could cut a great promo.( BTW- They all could!) Flair was Flair. The Luger version was the most underrated and they were a dynamite group. The Windham version, on paper, should’ve been the best but something was missing and were only together 5 or 6 months before Tully and Arn left. I agree with Jim when he said after that they were awful.I don’t recognize the Sting version because making him a Horseman was baffling. All other versions had little to no chemistry and didn’t really fit with Ric and Arn. I’ll say this though, if Roma wasn’t jobbed out most of his early career and been around in the territories to develop his cocky heel persona, fans may have accepted it. He was criminally underrated as a worker and had a naturally cocky persona and should’ve had a better career.
There was chemistry with "Nature Boy" Ric Flair, "The Man Of A Thousand Holds" Dean Malenko, "The Canadian Crippler" Chris Benoit, & Steve "Mongo" McMichael with Arn Anderson as the advisor. The chemistry was there with this Horseman Unit.
Paul Roma not even the worse Horseman. That belongs to Mungo and Jeff Jarrett
Wasn't Sid a Horseman? There's a contender
Malenko and Benoit were by far the worst. 2 charisma vacuums, one of them smaller than the average 12 year old. The 4 Horsemen were never supposed to be "the best 4 wrestlers". They were supposed to be a bunch of big mouthed cheating thugs and scumbags.
The original lineup of Ric,Tully, Arn and Ole was best. Then when Ole left they added Barry made them even more powerful
Luger came before Barry
Chris Benoit was A 4 Horseman
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Arn should bring the Horseman back in AEW. XD Bring Ole in! "Omega is the shits".
Flair, beniot arn and Pullman. I like Paul Roma and Barry windam in the horsemen.
to me the horseman was flair arn tully and jj .. ! ole may have been an oG with the group but that never made sense, he was the exact opposite of flair and tully... even arn didnt really match. but he was so good he made it work to be a key face in the group...the 4th wrestler spot was always just a swing position for whatever angle they was workin at the time , to bring on a former opponent and then turn on them again and kik them out ... i never will think of barry as a horseman... he stood out on his own career
Best horsemen. Flair, Mongo,Malenko,and Benoi.... Nevermind
Answering this question shows age,,Minnesota wrecking crew,Tully and ric are my pics,
I still think the original was the best.
The original.
Ric, Ole, Arn and Tully.
As far as I'm concerned, there IS no other.
(O.K., I didn't mind the 2nd with Luger, but the original are the only TRUE Horsemen. And, unless you were around then, you do not understand.)
Tully with that tv strap was the best, most entertaining run that legitimized that title bigtime while he had it. That left Ole and Arn selling us the idea they are family while legitimizing tag titles.
Ole and Arn never held the world tag titles ...they held the National Tag Team Titles
Ric, Tully, Arn and Ole with JJ was the best. Arn and Ole just had that no non-sense attitude, Flair was the Flamboyant greedy asshole you hated, Tully could get the girl and was just so conniving. It just fit so well!
The 90s versions of the horsemen were shit! It seemed like they could never round out the group and be consistent at all. Roma would have been a great fit had they found a fourth guy to possibly team him up with. Arn and Roma weren't a very good team in my eyes but the moment Roma left and joined Paul Orndorff they clicked. Pillman and Benoit was the closest thing to an 80's horsemen group that they really had. Had Arn not gotten hurt, Flair, Arn, Benoit and Malenko would have been good but not great. People can shit on Roma and say's hes the worst horsemen all they want but Steve McMichael carries that honor as far as I'm concerned. That fucking clown shouldn't have been in wrestling period let alone been a horsemen.
Yeah, the Horsemen with Barry, Sid & Woman was my all time favorite. Also agree the Roma days were highly underrated.
Barry Windom was a much better worker and Horseman than Luger
Ole was a good promo and believable as a badass but he didn't fit the mold of a Horseman.
Flai, Arn, Tully, Barry
Ole was not a jet setter LOL. He was grandpa harping on the boys.That’s why Lex replaced him. Someone younger and well built like Kerry Von Erich at the time...
The only versions that matter are from 85- 88.......anyone that argues that is clueless! I was around for every version....crockett era horsemen was what it was all based around! Dusty,rock n roll, roadies, magnum etc. All these guys were the ones the horsemen put heat on to be the top heels. Post Crockett era.....itvwas just another middle of card stable with lesser names and no jj dillon. Ridiculous to argue this !
The best lineup was when Luger joined he was a perfect fit! Sting was pretty cool but he's not a natural hee, Roma and Sid were horrible, Pillman was out of place, Windham was not a good fit, the last version with Benoit was pretty good 👍👍👍🤼🤼 4️⃣
But again we all know nothing beats the original 4️⃣👍🤼