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I will quote my grandmother for you, she was the last alive of her generation at a time. "Cherish the moments you lived through with the ones now turned to dust, teach the wisdom you have gained so people will not repeat your failures, it's your duty to watch and live for the people who could not be alive today.- Lt. Maria Weber, 1891-2003.
Even though she was a villain, I respect her loyalty. Unlike those in the empire, loyalty means a lot to nightsisters, as seen with ventress returning home to her kind after being taken away from them.
Allen, you always bring such a remarkable fresh perspective to these characters. I needed a shrink to help me reconcile my bohemian spirit with the pull to fit into the Stepford social structure. Country clubs etc. In a nutshell, he said you do you, Boo. ❤🫠🤷♀️
When she said " for dathomir" Morgan became one of my favorite starwars characters. Dying to give your people a chance to rebuild is tragically badass and damn I love that kind of character.
She is a great character and it sad to see her die but at the same time she had served her purpose in the story as she was the one who bring back Thrawn.
I've dropped all other SW specific channels outside of this one. The difference? You don't regurgitate the same wiki info or use it to feed your ego. You use Star Wars as a lens to understand ourselves better. I tip my hat to you sir. Thank you.
I like Eckharts but Generation Tech is really special and stands out to me from other Star Wars channels. Feels way less like a lore/review channel and more like, well, I can’t really put a word to it but he’s unique in a very good way
I agree that Morgan got screwed over , and you can see it on her face that she knows this when Thrawn says 'for the Empire' . And yet she still does what she was asked to do and gave her life for it . The problem is her loyalties were given to the people who didn't respect it .
I think Thrawn respected her choice in loyalties, but tactically he can not have her new status with the mothers disrupt the power balance in their arrangement. Thrawn knows he is dependent on then, but also needs to hold onto the levers of power to keep them seared toward his goals.
That's the moment when you realize that maybe she isn't actually "serving Thrawn" and had a bigger, more laudable, goal all along. Similar to when Balyan calls the prospect of Thrawn returning "unfortunate". They aren't even playing the same game as the protagonists (and audience) were led to believe. I'm not convinced that any of the antagonists shown so far actually end up as villians by the end. I don't expect it to happen, but I can imagine everyone uniting against a really big bad.
Inosanto had the best choreographed fight scenes with Ahsoka, especially the finale. Her flashy style really brought out the best of what Rosario Dawson's working with.
Seems like a tactical failure by Thrawn to sacrifice the person behind his return. But at the same time Morgen probably knew she was the only one capable of holding back Ashoka and Thrawn wouldn’t sacrifice her for nothing. That’s Thrawn in a nutshell Inspire loyalty I mean troops literally volunteered to be sacrificial zombies when they were within hours of returning home.
Thrawn has to improvise because Ahsoka (along with Ezra and Sabine) is as much of a risk taker as Anakin and Thrawn worries about that. They keep thwarting his tactics in unexpected ways and it's really quite annoying to him how unpredictable these opponents are. He regrets having to sacrifice his personnel. But the situation demands it.
Thrawn made a tactical error far earlier in his timeline. They said it would have taken over 3 rotations (days) to load the Chimera. At any point during those three days, he could have had the Eye of Scion dock up with the Chimera. And then, the instant the last pod/casket/whetever was on board they could have left. But no, he waited until after the loading to begin that task. They could have been well away before Ahsoka arrived. The tie fighter could have been launched with the objective to damage Ahsoka's ship so she couldn't follow.
@@glrider100. Or he could’ve just started loading earlier, rather than waiting for Morgan to arrive. And then he could’ve taken the Chimera to the Eye of Sion rather than bringing the Eye of Sion out of orbit to the Chimera.
@@eds1942 Technically true, but up until the moment the Eye of Scion arrived in orbit (assuming Chimera had working sensors to detect it), they had no idea when or if they'd actually arrive. So I can kind of let that one slide. I'm assuming the sisters didn't want their (sacred) catacombs disturbed until they knew they had a way off planet.
@@yseson_ Thrawn was promoted directly by Palpatine. He was the greatest leader in the organization that wiped out their planet, definitely a valid target for revenge.
@authoritariangentleman7570 Thrawn was promoted during the Empire era. There was no empire when the Nightsisters were wiped out, and their genocide was carried out by the Trade Fedration army, of which very few were aware that it was being controlled by Darth Sidious, and most had no idea that Sidious was also Palatine
I was so sad when Morgan Elsbeth was cut down. I know she served her purpose narrative wise, but I would have loved to see her help the Great Mothers rebuild the Dathomerian empire.
I totally understand your option and respect that but I think that the point of her character. She had served her purpose in the story as she was the one who bring back Thrawn
I think the "caskets" are stasis pods. I think something happened when the first batch of witches were dropped on Dathomir eons ago and they couldnt get back to get the others. The rest of them were stuck on Peridea till Thrawn showed up. They had to do something until someone came along to keep them alive. Thrawn even says he awakened the Mothers
When does he say that? I need to rewatch it all the way through now that all the episodes are out and listen to the parts about the Nightsisters and Dathomir and such more closely.
I was relieved , when Ahsoka, Finally killed Morgan ..(Ahsoka season1ep8) I was ticked off , when Ahsoka let her live after defeating her in that awesome battle. (Mandalorian S2Ep5) Morgan was an Evil ruler...stripping planets of their resources, committing Genocide of "how many" Village peoples and species of animals ? Lets chalk this up to "Karma's a Bitch, but everyones gotta balance the books"
Bah! It's just a flesh wound! If Maul can be cut in half and build spider legs out of garbage, then have Night Sister magic grow him some new ones, SURELY this newly empowered Night Sister can heal a couple of measly gut slashes.
Allen is someone I'd like get a beer with talk about. I always love watching these videos and listening to his insight. It add some much more to the content and makes it way more than just a star wars video.
great video bruhh! while 90% of star wars utubers are still trying to make money on the disney must die train, you actually made a good analysis and touched on what i also find interesting. Im really happy that feloni not only is giving us some closure on asokha and ezra but also about the night sisters which i always found very cool. nice - my first supportive comment of the week, maybe im not that cynical old bestard i thinki am.
Morgan was elevated with the gift of shadows before the Great Mothers left with Thrawn and Nightsisters are far more proficent at becoming force ghosts than Jedi. It is very possible that green force ghost Morgan will be continue to be used by the Great Mothers to empower living Nightsisters.
I think that Peridea's Night Sisters will learn eventually that the emperor caused the genocide in Dathomir and then it's when they will kill Thrawn. Bendu said to Thrawn "I see your defeat. Like many arms surrounding you in a cold embrace" (maybe that's gonna be the resurrected dathomiri night sisters).
I have a feeling that the mothers are going to betray Thrawn as soon as they get what they want from him. In the series Morgan kept saying that this was for him, he kept saying it was for the Empire...the Empire, but Morgan never told him the Emperor is dead so there is no empire. I think she did this on purpose. I don't think Thrawn knows that there is no more Empire. When she says "for Dathomir" that tells me that she is trying to save the mothers and could care less about Thrawn and the empire.
LMAO, if she stays dead... You are so correct and I Love it. I was thinking that the whole time.❤🖤 In episode 6 Thrawn himself said Jedi and Nightsisters are masters of death and resurrection.
When she fell I instantly remembered what Thrawn said that to force sensitives death is often an illusion. I think the majick will reach out to her from the rubble and what the Great Mother’s didn’t take with them will be left to her.
I suspect she will be resurrected by whatever lives on the planet. Which is probably why the Mothers and her followers chose to "sleep" rather than die... what if things that die on the world do not stay dead? Or at least those who are touched by the force
I hate to say it, but I think that she had served her purpose in the story as she was the one who bring back Thrawn. She is still villain but her backstory is kinda tragic if you think about. Also I kinda like the idea that she never found that the emperor was the one killed the nightsisters it makes her story more sad and a bit realistic if you stop and think about it more?
Don't forget about the Mandalorians next door. Things could get very interesting. Heck, Thrawn might not be so loyal to the Empire if he learned about the petty and pointless sacrificing of Imperial troops Sidious did at the end of the war (and the whole resurrection plan)
i tried avoiding you because of spoilers but i gave in, watched all of ahsoka and i gotta say, i love your videos ❤. something about the way you conduct your self and process and give information that isnt the same old repeated shtuff other channels do.
Kind of sad to learn that in the end the Sion crew story was to just be a stepping stone for Thrawn getting back to the Galaxy. Marrok was cannon fodder to look cool but was just dropped. Morgan despite being the mastermind behind it all was just a distraction to buy Thrawn more time. Skoll story will never finish as his actor become one with the force before he got to finish it. Leaving only Hati left to carry everything.
I just realized why I like this channel! It vibes with my headcanon and reminds me of a time when headcanon was all we had for Star Wars and we were piecing the stories ourselves. Something especially important now, when writing can at times be all over the place. So, thinking about the world and characters, sometimes in line with what the text provided to us, but other times just going on our own, is great. And this channel is the place for it. Thanks brother, keep it going.
It seems to me that the Night Sisters are only using Thrawn. They have to be aware what happened to Mother Talzin. But just as she did, they are willing to work with others to their advantage. Thrawn will help them restart Dathomir. I don't think they care about reviving the Empire, and may even know that this attempt to restart the Empire is doomed to fail.
What if Abeloth saves morgan and she the one that gets possessed?? I know her body is underneath the rumble but maybe abeloth can snatch her somehow through a void or something?
I’m glad I’m not the only person that noticed that😂😂😂Thrawn stepped up to her and was like”you didn’t think you were actually coming with us”😂 that was part of the plan from the beginning
Completely disagree. Thrawn had EVERY intent of brining Morgan along. But he’s a realist, a pragmatist, and a tactician; he knew what had to be done, as a military leader. I think you missed the entire point.
@@niteowl969Thrawn is not like the typical "Tarkin Doctrine" Imperial who wants pure fear and mindless obedience. He likes for everyone to think for themselves
Great Video! She's one of those enemies that you hate to see die. She's definitely had a good arc across the shows she was in. Very honorable villains are just as good as the heroes in these stories.
It is tragic because Palpatine hid behind Dooku, who served as the public leader of the Separatists. Like the Separatists themselves, she never really knew who sacrificed her people for their own ambitions. The Clone Wars were the ultimate example of a single man systematically betraying an entire *galaxy!* Yet she flourished under the Empire and, not knowing the truth, sought to keep it in power. Thrawn clearly regretted losing her, perhaps more than the Great Mothers did. She had, after all, successfully fulfilled her mission and would have been an asset to him back in the SW Galaxy. But Thrawn will sacrifice people as needed. Although I wonder if he would sacrifice himself? For example, if his erstwhile "allies" the Great Mothers prove more ambitious than the Nightsisters of Dathomir.
My gut tells me the Great Mothers are both a figurative and literal red herring. They’re probably going to give their lives to bring Talzin back from the dead, and then Talzin will act as a Joruus C’baoth in the upcoming “Heir to the Empire” movie.
That what I actually loved about Morgan’s backstory she is a villain and she want revenge on society who wipe her people. But she never learn/will found out that the emperor of the Galactic empire and her mentor ally is the actually one killed the nightsisters it makes her story more sad and a bit realistic if you stop and think about it more?
Well when you look at it from Palpatine's prospective, he was not betraying anyone or any of his beliefs, though he caused many others including the jedi to betray theirs. He was doing what he thought was right. The question for Morgan is when did Thrawn feel he lose her... I would argue he lost her when she devoted herself to the mothers in the ritual. At that moment she became a liability, a risk.
@@erikanders3343 - You don't consider the constant lying, and the fact that Palpatine was secretly the leader of *both* sides of a galaxy-spanning civil war (legally high treason, on two fronts) to be "betrayal"? Just because an evil cult like the Sith consider this sort of thing to be normal doesn't make it not betrayal, any more than real-life religious liberty allows for things like human sacrifice. Palpatine was shamelessly breaking all kinds of laws and reneging on explicit promises that he made to the Senate just to get himself promoted to Emperor. He also betrayed the Nightsisters, because he wanted to learn their secrets but considered them a potential threat. Thrawn didn't raise any objections to the Great Mothers when they "promoted" Morgan. He stood right there and watched them transform her. So if anybody was committing a betrayal it was really him. He *allowed* her to become a liability and then sent her off to die as a means of cleaning up the problem.
@@daniels7907 lol, well the legal system may consider it treason, but not his character. I think the only ones Pals though betrayed anyone was the Jedi when they exiled the dark adepts to space. He likely though that the denial of a whole half of the force to be both a spiritual and intellectual betrayal. In the end the Jedi also betrayed their principles and "served the republic" they created child soldiers and were the leaders of a military at war. Those that questioned the orders from the council (which blithely followed the orders of the chancellor) we arrested or exiled from the order. Yoda himself had doubts, yet they became so conditioned to follow orders that made no sense, allow atrocities, commit heinous acts against civilians that the order was a mockery of its principles. Hell they used child soldiers, Anakin was 19 when he stepped on the battle field and Ahsoka was 14. Tell me how the order is the good guys again? They could have told the Senate "No". They could have restricted their activities to purely diplomatic roles. If the republic fell it would have been to a different democratic republic. Order 66 only killed the Jedi, but the Council killed the order itself. As for "He allowed her to become a liability and then sent her off to die as a means of cleaning up the problem." You assume Thrawn is in charge, I think that you are wrong. He has an uneasy partnership with the mothers. He could not rightly object to what they did with one of their own... especially when the means for escape from the galaxy is right there and all the mothers need do is take control of the minds of some troopers. or kill Thrawn, and resurrect him as their pawn... oh, I think Thrawn thought of all these possibilities as did the great mothers. You notice they always stay near him at this venture yet when the Eye arrived The Chimera was not in system or at least not near. He keeps them at arms length when he can.
Maybe she will come back, because now she is a special witch with a green sword. Maybe it makes her immune to death somehow or makes her undead or something under the ruins of the temple
It might be nice to have a send-off episode. They need to reconstruct a SSD capable of crossing the interstellar void somehow and she has the plans in her mind after all. Her being dead is a complication but they could resurrect her Zombie with Witch magic and Shin Hati could take her mind using the Sith Dark Side ability of 'Extract Knowledge'. Then we have a trippy episode of the gang going through her life history as Shin absorbs her mind, memory by memory, including the subconscious stuff that she can't remember like the plans themselves.
I saw a theory that Enoch is based on Thrawn’s body guard from the books (I forget his name) but the way he let the night troopers die and leaving Morgan, I think Enoch may be the one who turns on Thrawn when he sees through him and kills him.
After decades of the cubicle facade, I dropped it and now work in construction. It’s wonderful to be myself finally. Kinda like Office Space. Be yourself, people. Very liberating. Give to others.
Gotta say, it’s fantastic story telling when the writers can make us feel empathy for the villains. It’s a common thread in the SW universe, that even the worst of the worst can be motivated by reasons and desires which we can understand. Except for Sidious, of course. He’s just straight up evil.
As usual, cracking video and an even better thumbnail. I believe she gave her life for Dathomir. Baylan, has a great ability in reading people. There is a moment where he reads her and gives a look, to suggest he knows her path. Also need to state, she made the best melee fight in all of Star Wars, back in season 2 of Mando. I really wish you made a video about that fight. Her acting was off the scale, which is why I class it as the best fight. Cos its her expressions, that show us, how the battle went. From her conference, to her fear. And, it was that fight, that showed me the different lightsaber forms, that no other lightsaber fight did in the past. And while it was a short fight and not to the high standard of other fights. Its was her little reactions, to each blow, that gave so much depth to that fight.
Ive been a fan of Diana Lee Inosanto for years. Check out her film The Sensei, its a really hidden gem of a drama. She wrote and directed it, as well as starred in it. And i hate to be that guy, but, she's 57 and still looks.. WOW!
Totally agreed,I felt the same way. Let it be said that inany case it was no mere regular Jedi that took her out...and I'm hoping she didn't die and comes back,she has the gift of Shadow so she should be able to maybe find another body
Yes.. Kinda feel bad for her because she really cared about Dathomir and didn't get to see it again. 😐 [Forever D+ Subscriber who's excited for The Skeleton Crew. Hopes that it's indefinite hiatus state be removed & it would air S01E01 by Feb next year] 🙂
Maybe sacrificing Morgan was the plan all along, and that is why Thrawn slow-played delaying Ashoka. The Great Mothers he appears to need, for now. Morgan is a dangerous extra. One force-based problem solves another. That’s the classic Thrawn you have been looking for.
I still vividly remember the scene of Morgan having the citizens of that town strung up if they didn't meet impossible quotas. She got what she deserved, and I hope she's left to rot where she lays. I LOVE the actress and the work she put into Morgan, and Morgan as a character is great. Morgan as a PERSON is horrible.
I didn't know Morgan actually *did* have experience in shipbuilding - I thought that was only in a fanfic I read -- though it makes sense in hindsight. You would need experience to build something like the Eye of Sion, especially right under the Rebels' noses. If she actually owned that shipyard on Corillia, she didn't "steal" that hyperdrive at all! She simply took back her property that the Republic stole from her! She had the potential to be a much better character, but instead of showing these details on-screen, I have to learn them from videos like this one and Wookieepedia. Filoni, even an 8th grade English class would teach you better than that!
@@GenerationTech "magic", Force, whatever is meh. I can't help but picture Thrawn talking to her with a ysalamir sitting comfortably on his shoulders now.
I have a feeling it’s going to be a Night sister who does Thrawn in in Rukh’s stead. He will use them and let them die for him and one is gonna get PISSED. he better say “it was so artfully done” when he dies.
Almost as tragic as Sabine. Allen while watching your assertation, I sort of realize she is kind of has the same character arch as Zorg from 5th element. They are a very interesting archetype for sure.
Im not much of a Darkside/Evil character follower outside of a couple DS/Evil characters that have some layers to them... I really liked Morgan Elsbeth quite a bit... I was hoping she would find a way to cheat death for a while... Maybe her getting changed by the Nightsisters in her final episode is going to give her a chance to somehow survive her demise.
Never thought I’d feel bad for Elsbeth after that Mandalorian episode but damn what Thrawn did was cold. Maybe he felt bad but notice he had HER sacrifice herself rather than ask any of the three mothers. She risked everything to save him only for him to chuck her to the wolves.
Random Theory: With the Witch and the Mothers gone, who's going to lead all those worshiper/warriors on that planet? 6:05 You're a Witch, Shin! You're a Survivor.
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I will quote my grandmother for you, she was the last alive of her generation at a time.
"Cherish the moments you lived through with the ones now turned to dust, teach the wisdom you have gained so people will not repeat your failures, it's your duty to watch and live for the people who could not be alive today.-
Lt. Maria Weber,
1891-2003.
Sympathy and compassion is a weakness or we wouldn't have countless illegals inside are land's taking food off the American people tables no offense
Even though she was a villain, I respect her loyalty. Unlike those in the empire, loyalty means a lot to nightsisters, as seen with ventress returning home to her kind after being taken away from them.
Yup, all Imperials are self-serving jerks
Allen, you always bring such a remarkable fresh perspective to these characters. I needed a shrink to help me reconcile my bohemian spirit with the pull to fit into the Stepford social structure. Country clubs etc. In a nutshell, he said you do you, Boo. ❤🫠🤷♀️
Technically she was loyal to the grandmothers not thrawn hence why she said for dathomir
@@Wakuppeopletheywanttocontrolus pretty sure she admitted to being his “servant” when they reunited.
She’s loyal to both him and her home.
When she said " for dathomir" Morgan became one of my favorite starwars characters. Dying to give your people a chance to rebuild is tragically badass and damn I love that kind of character.
Morgan was one of my favourite characters. I was saddened to see her go. Diana Lee Inosanto did an amazing job of portraying her.
She is a great character and it sad to see her die but at the same time she had served her purpose in the story as she was the one who bring back Thrawn.
While she got alot of screen time in Ahsoka. None of it matched her performance from Mando
I've dropped all other SW specific channels outside of this one. The difference? You don't regurgitate the same wiki info or use it to feed your ego. You use Star Wars as a lens to understand ourselves better. I tip my hat to you sir. Thank you.
Just curious which Star wars channels are you refering to, when you talk about wiki?
@@mr.boomguyStar Wars Theory, EckhartsLadder
Thor Skywalker is great as well.
Oh! Allen accepts tips? He can have my hat too.
I like Eckharts but Generation Tech is really special and stands out to me from other Star Wars channels. Feels way less like a lore/review channel and more like, well, I can’t really put a word to it but he’s unique in a very good way
Alan: "That's if she actually stays dead". Funny how the Jedi and Night sisters seem to have the power of resurrection.
Sith also kinda do by binding their essense to physical objects and possessing other people.
All 3 of those methods of returning to life are diferent
I always wanted to know.. who taught the nightsisters how to do that? What being out there perfected this art and taught them?
I agree that Morgan got screwed over , and you can see it on her face that she knows this when Thrawn says 'for the Empire' . And yet she still does what she was asked to do and gave her life for it . The problem is her loyalties were given to the people who didn't respect it .
I think Thrawn respected her choice in loyalties, but tactically he can not have her new status with the mothers disrupt the power balance in their arrangement. Thrawn knows he is dependent on then, but also needs to hold onto the levers of power to keep them seared toward his goals.
I thought it was bad ass how after Thrawn said, " Long live the Empire," she said, "Long live Dathomir" as he was walking off
That's the moment when you realize that maybe she isn't actually "serving Thrawn" and had a bigger, more laudable, goal all along.
Similar to when Balyan calls the prospect of Thrawn returning "unfortunate". They aren't even playing the same game as the protagonists (and audience) were led to believe.
I'm not convinced that any of the antagonists shown so far actually end up as villians by the end. I don't expect it to happen, but I can imagine everyone uniting against a really big bad.
I was squealing. So. Much. Fun.
@@travcollier which is honestly why Thrawn had her sacrifice herself. He needed to keep the power imbalance with the mothers tilted in his favor
Diana Lee Inosanto NAILED this role. I hope we see Morgan resurrected. Or perhaps in future series' or movies' during the Imperial Era.
Inosanto had the best choreographed fight scenes with Ahsoka, especially the finale. Her flashy style really brought out the best of what Rosario Dawson's working with.
Seems like a tactical failure by Thrawn to sacrifice the person behind his return.
But at the same time Morgen probably knew she was the only one capable of holding back Ashoka and Thrawn wouldn’t sacrifice her for nothing.
That’s Thrawn in a nutshell Inspire loyalty I mean troops literally volunteered to be sacrificial zombies when they were within hours of returning home.
Thrawn has to improvise because Ahsoka (along with Ezra and Sabine) is as much of a risk taker as Anakin and Thrawn worries about that. They keep thwarting his tactics in unexpected ways and it's really quite annoying to him how unpredictable these opponents are. He regrets having to sacrifice his personnel. But the situation demands it.
Blow up the tower while they are fighting inside of it.
Thrawn made a tactical error far earlier in his timeline. They said it would have taken over 3 rotations (days) to load the Chimera. At any point during those three days, he could have had the Eye of Scion dock up with the Chimera. And then, the instant the last pod/casket/whetever was on board they could have left. But no, he waited until after the loading to begin that task. They could have been well away before Ahsoka arrived. The tie fighter could have been launched with the objective to damage Ahsoka's ship so she couldn't follow.
@@glrider100. Or he could’ve just started loading earlier, rather than waiting for Morgan to arrive. And then he could’ve taken the Chimera to the Eye of Sion rather than bringing the Eye of Sion out of orbit to the Chimera.
@@eds1942 Technically true, but up until the moment the Eye of Scion arrived in orbit (assuming Chimera had working sensors to detect it), they had no idea when or if they'd actually arrive. So I can kind of let that one slide. I'm assuming the sisters didn't want their (sacred) catacombs disturbed until they knew they had a way off planet.
She helped her enemy but also brought back the 3 greatest chances of a Dathomir reformation
Thrawn wasnt her enemy, neither was the Empire. Sidious was her enemy because all was his enemy. Even the empire was throttled after his death
@@yseson_ Thrawn was promoted directly by Palpatine. He was the greatest leader in the organization that wiped out their planet, definitely a valid target for revenge.
@authoritariangentleman7570 Thrawn was promoted during the Empire era. There was no empire when the Nightsisters were wiped out, and their genocide was carried out by the Trade Fedration army, of which very few were aware that it was being controlled by Darth Sidious, and most had no idea that Sidious was also Palatine
@@authoritariangentleman7570 stop spreading bs, the empire didnt wipe out the nighsisters. It was dooku and grievous.
That felt like a eulogy for her.
RIP Morgan Elsbeth
I was so sad when Morgan Elsbeth was cut down. I know she served her purpose narrative wise, but I would have loved to see her help the Great Mothers rebuild the Dathomerian empire.
Or by Thrawn's side in his campaign against the New Republic.
That would be cool as well. Maybe she will be revived through the Great Mother’s dark magic.
Morgan got done dirty. She got everyone back to the main galaxy only to get left behind. Ouch!
FIloni deserves exile on Peridea himself for killing such an awesome character off.
I totally understand your option and respect that but I think that the point of her character. She had served her purpose in the story as she was the one who bring back Thrawn
This is what real heroes do! 🫡
I think the "caskets" are stasis pods. I think something happened when the first batch of witches were dropped on Dathomir eons ago and they couldnt get back to get the others. The rest of them were stuck on Peridea till Thrawn showed up. They had to do something until someone came along to keep them alive. Thrawn even says he awakened the Mothers
I agree
When does he say that? I need to rewatch it all the way through now that all the episodes are out and listen to the parts about the Nightsisters and Dathomir and such more closely.
I was relieved , when Ahsoka, Finally killed Morgan ..(Ahsoka season1ep8)
I was ticked off , when Ahsoka let her live after defeating her in that awesome battle. (Mandalorian S2Ep5)
Morgan was an Evil ruler...stripping planets of their resources, committing Genocide of "how many" Village peoples and species of animals ?
Lets chalk this up to "Karma's a Bitch, but everyones gotta balance the books"
Bah! It's just a flesh wound! If Maul can be cut in half and build spider legs out of garbage, then have Night Sister magic grow him some new ones, SURELY this newly empowered Night Sister can heal a couple of measly gut slashes.
and a bit of orbital bombardment
Mother Talzin's power rivaled Palpatine's. So she's not an ordinary Nightsister
@@ironfist7789 just a little. 🙂
@@jeremiahmorris1852 EXACTLY.
Allen is someone I'd like get a beer with talk about. I always love watching these videos and listening to his insight. It add some much more to the content and makes it way more than just a star wars video.
She served the person she didn’t know wiped out her people. Sad
And i mean palpatine during the Empire
@@CyberSonic-V3.0What did Palpatine fear from the Night Sister's.
@@LonnieBrewer-dd4wipower to potentially rival his own
@@Yumums That's true..
I mean Thrawn doesn't exactly like Palpatine either.
great video bruhh! while 90% of star wars utubers are still trying to make money on the disney must die train, you actually made a good analysis and touched on what i also find interesting. Im really happy that feloni not only is giving us some closure on asokha and ezra but also about the night sisters which i always found very cool. nice - my first supportive comment of the week, maybe im not that cynical old bestard i thinki am.
Morgan was elevated with the gift of shadows before the Great Mothers left with Thrawn and Nightsisters are far more proficent at becoming force ghosts than Jedi. It is very possible that green force ghost Morgan will be continue to be used by the Great Mothers to empower living Nightsisters.
I think that Peridea's Night Sisters will learn eventually that the emperor caused the genocide in Dathomir and then it's when they will kill Thrawn. Bendu said to Thrawn "I see your defeat. Like many arms surrounding you in a cold embrace" (maybe that's gonna be the resurrected dathomiri night sisters).
Great point!
Why would they care if Thrawn wasn't involved?
@@Hello-bi1pmmaybe he wasn't personally involved, but he is using the night sisters, dead or alive, to restore the empire.
I just hope Thrawn doesn't meet the same end, as his only focus is the Gryssk and hated Palpatine Empire.
I liked that Morgan genuinely wanted to bring the Nightsisters back, unlike Merrin who's like "oh well" lol
To be fair she though she was the only one left and Cal gave her another path to follow.
I imagine Merrin saw no patch to restore them and went down a different path.
You Star Wars channel is my favourite. Your insights are always thoughtful and poignant.
This was my initial reaction too. I wonder if she felt they would return for her or if she felt too underpowered to say no.
I think she knew she was going to die, she may have even suspected that Thrawn's calculations now made her a complication that needed removing.
"It appears your path is set, Morgan Elsbeth....I pity you, for I see what is to come."
That gave me chills tbh
I have a feeling that the mothers are going to betray Thrawn as soon as they get what they want from him. In the series Morgan kept saying that this was for him, he kept saying it was for the Empire...the Empire, but Morgan never told him the Emperor is dead so there is no empire. I think she did this on purpose. I don't think Thrawn knows that there is no more Empire. When she says "for Dathomir" that tells me that she is trying to save the mothers and could care less about Thrawn and the empire.
Excellent, informed analysis. This is why you’re still my first stop for Star Wars.
LMAO, if she stays dead... You are so correct and I Love it. I was thinking that the whole time.❤🖤 In episode 6 Thrawn himself said Jedi and Nightsisters are masters of death and resurrection.
I was really impressed with the actress that plays morgan, i didn't know that she is so accomplished.
When she fell I instantly remembered what Thrawn said that to force sensitives death is often an illusion. I think the majick will reach out to her from the rubble and what the Great Mother’s didn’t take with them will be left to her.
I suspect she will be resurrected by whatever lives on the planet. Which is probably why the Mothers and her followers chose to "sleep" rather than die... what if things that die on the world do not stay dead? Or at least those who are touched by the force
We did see the force ghost of Anakin at the end. No reason for Morgan not to return as a ghost.
As much as I feel like resurrections are over done at this point, I also feel like Morgan’s character arc may not be finished.
@@ericmork630having them resurrected actually fits with how Nightsisters work, so I wouldn't mind it here
@@enzoamore8971 yes. It’s still annoying how easy and common it has become
I Hope Morgan comes back and gets some form of positive closure away from the Darkness considering abeloth is just around the corner
I wish the great mother would've somehow called her body to the eye of Sion after she got cut down. She was an interesting character. Hate to lose her
I hate to say it, but I think that she had served her purpose in the story as she was the one who bring back Thrawn. She is still villain but her backstory is kinda tragic if you think about. Also I kinda like the idea that she never found that the emperor was the one killed the nightsisters it makes her story more sad and a bit realistic if you stop and think about it more?
I don't know if Faloni is going to use abeloth just yet. be interesting to see what happens in season 2
For Dathomir!
She'll be revived. She was at the top of the temple when it was bombarded, so she could likely be on top of the rubble.
I wonder if, in the end, this info will lead to the Great Mothers ending Thrawn themselves.
Don't forget about the Mandalorians next door. Things could get very interesting.
Heck, Thrawn might not be so loyal to the Empire if he learned about the petty and pointless sacrificing of Imperial troops Sidious did at the end of the war (and the whole resurrection plan)
I wonder if Cal Kestis and especially, Merrin is still alive
i dont know if these new night sisters are like the dathomiri night sisters. the dathomiri nightsisters wouldn't leave one of their own behind.
They’re definitely different. Raised in two completely separate galaxies.
Thank you for me for your content. I love watching your back content as much as your new stuff.
i tried avoiding you because of spoilers but i gave in, watched all of ahsoka and i gotta say, i love your videos ❤. something about the way you conduct your self and process and give information that isnt the same old repeated shtuff other channels do.
Kind of sad to learn that in the end the Sion crew story was to just be a stepping stone for Thrawn getting back to the Galaxy.
Marrok was cannon fodder to look cool but was just dropped. Morgan despite being the mastermind behind it all was just a distraction to buy Thrawn more time. Skoll story will never finish as his actor become one with the force before he got to finish it. Leaving only Hati left to carry everything.
That’s what happens when you help the bad guys
Art imitating life... It's just like in the T***p universe!
She messed up when she allowed Ashoka to follow them. She messed with how Baylan went AWOL on her.
Hopefully Skoll's story continues even with his current actor having joined the Force, bless him.
Ironic that none of the people on the eye of Sion’s original trip returned back
I just realized why I like this channel! It vibes with my headcanon and reminds me of a time when headcanon was all we had for Star Wars and we were piecing the stories ourselves. Something especially important now, when writing can at times be all over the place. So, thinking about the world and characters, sometimes in line with what the text provided to us, but other times just going on our own, is great. And this channel is the place for it. Thanks brother, keep it going.
Let Allen Cook! Great content & conversation, always.😂
"That is, if she stays dead." I haven't heard that from anyone else but you...AND, my thoughts when the episode ended. Thank you. 👍
It seems to me that the Night Sisters are only using Thrawn. They have to be aware what happened to Mother Talzin. But just as she did, they are willing to work with others to their advantage. Thrawn will help them restart Dathomir. I don't think they care about reviving the Empire, and may even know that this attempt to restart the Empire is doomed to fail.
What if Abeloth saves morgan and she the one that gets possessed?? I know her body is underneath the rumble but maybe abeloth can snatch her somehow through a void or something?
with that she will no longer be just a "sister" but a mother like the great mothers coz Abeloth is the mother.
Probably would have had a better life if they didn't fuck with Count Dooku's nap time.But they had to mess around and find out.
lol
She turned out to be one of the better Star Wars villains
I didndt think i was gonna be sad for her death but I was. Didnt realize I liked the character as much as i did, and Diana was sooooo good in the role
I’m glad I’m not the only person that noticed that😂😂😂Thrawn stepped up to her and was like”you didn’t think you were actually coming with us”😂 that was part of the plan from the beginning
Completely disagree. Thrawn had EVERY intent of brining Morgan along. But he’s a realist, a pragmatist, and a tactician; he knew what had to be done, as a military leader. I think you missed the entire point.
Nah she asked to many questions
@@niteowl969 Thrawn welcomes questions she just didn't make it because of Ashoka
@@niteowl969Thrawn is not like the typical "Tarkin Doctrine" Imperial who wants pure fear and mindless obedience. He likes for everyone to think for themselves
very very interesting allen ..You always go in deep and add in your life experiences. Its refreshing...
Great Video! She's one of those enemies that you hate to see die. She's definitely had a good arc across the shows she was in. Very honorable villains are just as good as the heroes in these stories.
It is tragic because Palpatine hid behind Dooku, who served as the public leader of the Separatists. Like the Separatists themselves, she never really knew who sacrificed her people for their own ambitions. The Clone Wars were the ultimate example of a single man systematically betraying an entire *galaxy!* Yet she flourished under the Empire and, not knowing the truth, sought to keep it in power. Thrawn clearly regretted losing her, perhaps more than the Great Mothers did. She had, after all, successfully fulfilled her mission and would have been an asset to him back in the SW Galaxy. But Thrawn will sacrifice people as needed. Although I wonder if he would sacrifice himself? For example, if his erstwhile "allies" the Great Mothers prove more ambitious than the Nightsisters of Dathomir.
My gut tells me the Great Mothers are both a figurative and literal red herring. They’re probably going to give their lives to bring Talzin back from the dead, and then Talzin will act as a Joruus C’baoth in the upcoming “Heir to the Empire” movie.
That what I actually loved about Morgan’s backstory she is a villain and she want revenge on society who wipe her people. But she never learn/will found out that the emperor of the Galactic empire and her mentor ally is the actually one killed the nightsisters it makes her story more sad and a bit realistic if you stop and think about it more?
Well when you look at it from Palpatine's prospective, he was not betraying anyone or any of his beliefs, though he caused many others including the jedi to betray theirs. He was doing what he thought was right.
The question for Morgan is when did Thrawn feel he lose her... I would argue he lost her when she devoted herself to the mothers in the ritual. At that moment she became a liability, a risk.
@@erikanders3343 - You don't consider the constant lying, and the fact that Palpatine was secretly the leader of *both* sides of a galaxy-spanning civil war (legally high treason, on two fronts) to be "betrayal"?
Just because an evil cult like the Sith consider this sort of thing to be normal doesn't make it not betrayal, any more than real-life religious liberty allows for things like human sacrifice. Palpatine was shamelessly breaking all kinds of laws and reneging on explicit promises that he made to the Senate just to get himself promoted to Emperor. He also betrayed the Nightsisters, because he wanted to learn their secrets but considered them a potential threat.
Thrawn didn't raise any objections to the Great Mothers when they "promoted" Morgan. He stood right there and watched them transform her. So if anybody was committing a betrayal it was really him. He *allowed* her to become a liability and then sent her off to die as a means of cleaning up the problem.
@@daniels7907 lol, well the legal system may consider it treason, but not his character. I think the only ones Pals though betrayed anyone was the Jedi when they exiled the dark adepts to space. He likely though that the denial of a whole half of the force to be both a spiritual and intellectual betrayal.
In the end the Jedi also betrayed their principles and "served the republic" they created child soldiers and were the leaders of a military at war. Those that questioned the orders from the council (which blithely followed the orders of the chancellor) we arrested or exiled from the order.
Yoda himself had doubts, yet they became so conditioned to follow orders that made no sense, allow atrocities, commit heinous acts against civilians that the order was a mockery of its principles.
Hell they used child soldiers, Anakin was 19 when he stepped on the battle field and Ahsoka was 14. Tell me how the order is the good guys again? They could have told the Senate "No". They could have restricted their activities to purely diplomatic roles. If the republic fell it would have been to a different democratic republic.
Order 66 only killed the Jedi, but the Council killed the order itself.
As for "He allowed her to become a liability and then sent her off to die as a means of cleaning up the problem." You assume Thrawn is in charge, I think that you are wrong. He has an uneasy partnership with the mothers.
He could not rightly object to what they did with one of their own... especially when the means for escape from the galaxy is right there and all the mothers need do is take control of the minds of some troopers. or kill Thrawn, and resurrect him as their pawn... oh, I think Thrawn thought of all these possibilities as did the great mothers.
You notice they always stay near him at this venture yet when the Eye arrived The Chimera was not in system or at least not near. He keeps them at arms length when he can.
I think the odds of Morgan coming back with dark magik is very high
Considering how awful the Third Republic is and how the Nightsisters' existence as civilization is on the line, I actually wanted Thrawn to win.
Maybe she will come back, because now she is a special witch with a green sword. Maybe it makes her immune to death somehow or makes her undead or something under the ruins of the temple
She got blown up on the tower though (by Thrawn)!
@@SectionChief I saw Jedis resurrect who fell to death in a wide ocean
@@toremunkenwarf4468 Yep, but where is Mace???
@@toremunkenwarf4468Ahsoka never died. She went unconscious in the ocean and ended up in the world between.
@@SectionChief We will see him when it's time.
It might be nice to have a send-off episode.
They need to reconstruct a SSD capable of crossing the interstellar void somehow and she has the plans in her mind after all.
Her being dead is a complication but they could resurrect her Zombie with Witch magic and Shin Hati could take her mind using the Sith Dark Side ability of 'Extract Knowledge'.
Then we have a trippy episode of the gang going through her life history as Shin absorbs her mind, memory by memory, including the subconscious stuff that she can't remember like the plans themselves.
I saw a theory that Enoch is based on Thrawn’s body guard from the books (I forget his name) but the way he let the night troopers die and leaving Morgan, I think Enoch may be the one who turns on Thrawn when he sees through him and kills him.
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The Greatmothers seemed genuinely quite sad when she died.
Alan (Allen?) love your videos, usually so thoughtful and entertaining. Thanks for making the whole community a little better.
Gotta say, it’s fantastic story telling when the writers can make us feel empathy for the villains. It’s a common thread in the SW universe, that even the worst of the worst can be motivated by reasons and desires which we can understand.
Except for Sidious, of course. He’s just straight up evil.
As usual, cracking video and an even better thumbnail.
I believe she gave her life for Dathomir. Baylan, has a great ability in reading people. There is a moment where he reads her and gives a look, to suggest he knows her path.
Also need to state, she made the best melee fight in all of Star Wars, back in season 2 of Mando.
I really wish you made a video about that fight. Her acting was off the scale, which is why I class it as the best fight. Cos its her expressions, that show us, how the battle went. From her conference, to her fear. And, it was that fight, that showed me the different lightsaber forms, that no other lightsaber fight did in the past. And while it was a short fight and not to the high standard of other fights. Its was her little reactions, to each blow, that gave so much depth to that fight.
I think its the other way around with zabraks as a subspecies of Dathomiri.
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She was 'killed' with a Disney lightsaber. She'll be back when the plot requires.
Ive been a fan of Diana Lee Inosanto for years. Check out her film The Sensei, its a really hidden gem of a drama. She wrote and directed it, as well as starred in it.
And i hate to be that guy, but, she's 57 and still looks.. WOW!
I don’t understand how things have moved so slowly in getting ready to fly that Morgan Elsbeth had to stay behind at all.
Totally agreed,I felt the same way. Let it be said that inany case it was no mere regular Jedi that took her out...and I'm hoping she didn't die and comes back,she has the gift of Shadow so she should be able to maybe find another body
Yes.. Kinda feel bad for her because she really cared about Dathomir and didn't get to see it again. 😐 [Forever D+ Subscriber who's excited for The Skeleton Crew. Hopes that it's indefinite hiatus state be removed & it would air S01E01 by Feb next year] 🙂
Having watched Ahsoka...I can relate to how she feels.
There is a lot to be said for a survivor who knows what they are surviving - and ready to sacrifice - for.
I figured Morgan would die, but not with Thrawn selling her on sacrifice so blatantly.
Maybe sacrificing Morgan was the plan all along, and that is why Thrawn slow-played delaying Ashoka.
The Great Mothers he appears to need, for now. Morgan is a dangerous extra.
One force-based problem solves another. That’s the classic Thrawn you have been looking for.
the one person who stayed dead is the one person no one wanted to, mace windu. Unless...
I still vividly remember the scene of Morgan having the citizens of that town strung up if they didn't meet impossible quotas.
She got what she deserved, and I hope she's left to rot where she lays.
I LOVE the actress and the work she put into Morgan, and Morgan as a character is great. Morgan as a PERSON is horrible.
I didn't know Morgan actually *did* have experience in shipbuilding - I thought that was only in a fanfic I read -- though it makes sense in hindsight. You would need experience to build something like the Eye of Sion, especially right under the Rebels' noses.
If she actually owned that shipyard on Corillia, she didn't "steal" that hyperdrive at all! She simply took back her property that the Republic stole from her!
She had the potential to be a much better character, but instead of showing these details on-screen, I have to learn them from videos like this one and Wookieepedia. Filoni, even an 8th grade English class would teach you better than that!
Yea like the fact that she can be an expert on shipbuilding and magic is impressive. And that eye of soon is definitely ground breaking tech.
@@GenerationTech "magic", Force, whatever is meh. I can't help but picture Thrawn talking to her with a ysalamir sitting comfortably on his shoulders now.
I have a feeling it’s going to be a Night sister who does Thrawn in in Rukh’s stead. He will use them and let them die for him and one is gonna get PISSED. he better say “it was so artfully done” when he dies.
How come we never a grocery store in Star wars even on corasant
This is why your channel rocks!
She and Hati really spiced things up. IMO. 😂❤
It'd be cool if your next video was speculating what form of Lightsaber combat Sabine would use!
I’m keeping my fingers crossed that she’ll become more powerful than we could possibly imagine. She was given powers from the great mothers themselves
Almost as tragic as Sabine.
Allen while watching your assertation, I sort of realize she is kind of has the same character arch as Zorg from 5th element. They are a very interesting archetype for sure.
Im not much of a Darkside/Evil character follower outside of a couple DS/Evil characters that have some layers to them... I really liked Morgan Elsbeth quite a bit... I was hoping she would find a way to cheat death for a while... Maybe her getting changed by the Nightsisters in her final episode is going to give her a chance to somehow survive her demise.
Morgan is definitely the Moses of this story
Definitely one of the top SW pages on UA-cam. 👍🏽
What really screwed her was plot armor Asoka and others had such as riding wolves through a star destroyer bombardment.
I think they killed her off too soon. They should have waited till the end of season two or maybe three
Never thought I’d feel bad for Elsbeth after that Mandalorian episode but damn what Thrawn did was cold. Maybe he felt bad but notice he had HER sacrifice herself rather than ask any of the three mothers. She risked everything to save him only for him to chuck her to the wolves.
When Dathomiri Sith magic is concerned, don't count anyone, especially Morgan Elsbeth, completely out.
Dude if she doesn't stay dead, then she's gonna have a helluva hard time digging out of the rubble that used to be a temple, lol.
Hopefully they release a s2, you did hear balen or whatever his name was talk about a “higher power” hopefully they use that to get back.
No one is ever truly gone
your analysis is excellent as always
I was like "why'd they just say she dead, and not hocus pocus her back life?"
I mean, Marrok?
I really like how she was cut down with it very special sword ⚔️
Random Theory:
With the Witch and the Mothers gone, who's going to lead all those worshiper/warriors on that planet?
6:05 You're a Witch, Shin! You're a Survivor.
Thanks for that closing line. IF. ..
"Cant stop a death star lazer with the force"
Legends luke:...is that a challenge