Stoked to have Daily Drivers back for 2023! And even happier to have met some lovely folks out on the Shore a little while back. Thanks all, for you time and entertainment -Christina
I have this 69° headtube angle on my mtb and I thought I can ride the trails really fine but I went to the trails which I'm not familiar with and I was terrified. It was steep but I survived. So I decided to replace my frame with a slacker headtube angle.
Great video. It makse sense people want more slack bikes in that area. Where I live I think between 66 and 67 is the sweet spot as is 130 - 150mm of travel if you are going full suspension. Although hardtails are quite awesome too!!
Still running a standard frame, hard tail, for mountain biking. Giant talon 3 xl 27.5. I love how it works for me, I can ride anything with it, fork upgraded, and tubeless tires. Won't replace it until it breaks.
Had a 64° headtube angle before i swapped the 180 lyriks against the dual crowns which made it 62°. Liked the slackeness so much that i also upgraded to an angled headset making it 60°...
Slacker isn't always better though, its good for going fast down steep tracks, but not so good everywhere else, like flatter xc tracks or blue flow tracks where the slack head angle will make the steering slower and take more weight off the front, which will make the front end feel more vague and easier to wash out when cornering.
Running 62.9 degrees on my 27.5 with 160mm/130mm travel. It's a totally different DH ride over the stock 65.5 130/130! Climb performance really hasn't been an issue for me with it as I am used to the shorter stays and tighter fit of older bikes.
Slackest hardtail would be interesting. I havent tried FS before. Is it true that a full sus feels 2 degrees lees steeper than a hardtail with the same HTA?
My bike is 66.5 with 120 rear 130 front and its slack enough, it handles steep double blacks just fine so why go any slacker? slacker will just make the steering slower and make it easier for the front to wash out on flatter corners, I think for the most part manufacturers keep making their bikes slacker to sell more bikes, but they can only do that for so long before they reach the limit, then what are they going to do?
What bike? Ripley? I'm on a Stumpjumper evo. I love it but its sluggish where I live. I've been buying bikes for the 10% of riding I do on trips and not the 90% of the riding I do locally. I live in pedaling distance to a pretty fun 5 mile XC trail. Across the lake is a 22 mile XC styled trail. I'm kind of wishing I would have bought the right bike for my local trails. I'm looking at the same travel range your bike is in.
@@parker6711 Its a 2019 norco fluid fs1, I brought it used for a decent price, I've upgraded most parts on it now and knocked almost 2kg off it, now it weighs 13.8kg with pedals, the bike I had before it was a 2017 trek slash 9.8, 150 rear 160 front with a 65 degree head angle, I found it a bit boring on most tracks, the suspension would just absorb everything. But the short travel fluid is much more fun, its poppy and agile to the point where it still feels good on xc tracks, but its slack enough and stable enough to handle steep double blacks and fast rough stuff at the local bike park, I live in NZ so there's plenty of gnarly stuff here and it handles it just fine, I can still keep up with others who have a similar skill level to me on their enduro bikes. I find it to be the ultimate all rounder, it handles bike parks just fine, it doesn't feel sluggish and numb on xc tracks, and you can do big pedal days on it without it sapping all your energy, I would highly recommend it or a bike like it, norco have changed the new fluid though, now it feels more like a generic enduro bike, as opposed to a fun poppy and playful trail bike.
My 2020 Trance 29 has nearly Identical numbers (except 115 rear) and i agree, it can handle the steeps just fine. The thing that slacker/ more travel gives you is stability and speed. I totally agree you can ride most trails on most bikes- but it's the confidence you get from a slacker, bigger bike that is the real difference
@@Azoth5876 I agree a slacker and longer bike will give you more stability, though I've never felt like my norco lacked any stability compared to my slash, but with any design there's always a compromise, a long slack bike will suffer in tight corners and maneuverability, it all depends on what kind of bike you like, which annoys me that the current trend is to keep making bikes slacker, in a few years time it might be hard to find a short travel 66 degree head angle bike.
I don't live near the shore so that doesn't matter. But I live right next door to N* and my Insurgent does the job on all the blacks/double blacks in the park with 65 degrees. Though I have to say last trip to Whistler I rented a v10 mullet that ran 63 degrees and it was sick!
I’m 6’3, on a norco range VLT in XL, 63’ HTA with 462 chainstay. It feel balance because of the long chainstay, but the wheelbase is soooo long that it become cumbersome it the tight stuff. I think emtb (because of the weight) are more stable and doesn’t need to be as slack as regular bike… for an XL ebike , i would rather have a 65’ HTA and 445 chainstay, to shortened the wheelbase while keeping the a similar balance. Probably a different story for small-medium bike
At 64.9 mine feels steep in comparison haha, but at least for Colorado it's more than slack enough, and even when I went to BC last summer it handled the steeps in Fernie just fine (ok I didn't attempt Kodiak Karnage or Dirt Diggler, but it did fine on everything else up there).
Slackening geometry does put much more force on the front of the frame. Manufacturers specify a minimum number, I think, before you risk snapping a frame.
@@pinkbike I know it would be extra work, but it would be cool if you had an action shot of one of these riders... I think I found a video of quentin spinning and flipping, really increases the impact of your daily driver video. Ultra stoked for spring on the north shore, it's a great day for it!
For the first time in my life, I have a bike that feels too slack stock, commencal meta sx on the low setting is too slack and too low in my opinion. Getting tons of pedal strikes both up and downhill, I have to lean forward way too much to weight the front wheel and climbing is more difficult. sure its faster and confidence inspiring on the super steep stuff but unnecessary. 64 degrees to 65 seems to be the sweet spot for me and for most riders, balance is the name of the game. I did modify my ebike from a 68degree ht angle to a 63 but it actually feel better than the commencal simply because of the weight distribution and cs length
The slacker the better I like sitting in the bike not on it. SC Nomad XL with angle set is over kill and I run a regular post instead of a dropper. I'm 5'10 and with 35mm stem Fox Performance 36 180mm and 27.5 wheels I definitely sit in the bike.
I couldn't imagine NOT running a dropper on a modern slacked out bike. On an old, short bike sure, you just hang off the back of the bike old school style.
Steeper bikes jump better, HTA is irrelevant on drops unless you're trying to roll one, slacker HTA makes g-outs a little less gut wrenching, but a longer bike or one with more travel works even better to tame g-outs. Of course landing a BMX to flat when you're not a teenager will make your chiropractor very happy haha
@@mrvwbug4423 don't care about them 🤷🏿♂️. I will not change a bike that's good for 99.99% of the time for that 0.01% where I would wish it would have been shorter. Let's say 2 seconds extra per switchback... let's say 10..no..let's say 20 per ride.. let's say 30...what I waste.. 1 minute per ride?, sorry, I cannot be bothered by 1 min per ride.
i love watching videos and being weirded out when most of the bikes are 64 deg for big enduro bikes and not thinking thats all that slack because my hardtail is 62.4...then going oh right thats because its a hardtail and not a full sus
hate to break it to you, but it's been dead for a while now, 27,5 too as a matter of fact. if you don't like 29ers there pretty much are no new bikes anymore
depends on your trails. For most of the world 66 is fine for even spicy trails. It's really in BC and maybe a few spots in California, Colorado and the Alps where they build some insanely steep trails
@@mrvwbug4423 I moved to Switzerland and most of the time we ride bikeparks. I bet slacker HA can a little bit with breaking bumps and other obstacles in higher speed.
Imo, the increasing slackness is due to mtn bike parks that lift people and their bikes up, and the hype around downhill jumping and stunts that get views.
Same as mine, but 66.5 is still slack enough to handle steep double blacks just fine, and the steering still feels quick and responsive too, I think its a good balance for a trail bike.
Stoked to have Daily Drivers back for 2023! And even happier to have met some lovely folks out on the Shore a little while back. Thanks all, for you time and entertainment -Christina
Love checking out what everyone’s riding keep these bike checks up PB!
Thanks! I love these days, getting to meet new peeps and chat shop. They're always pumped on their rigs -Christina
That Banshee was awesome, great work Christina 🤟
Thanks Andres! -Christina
also loved the Banshee Titan
Loving my mulleted banshee titan! It's awesome to see other people rocking the same setup!
Hope you guys do more of the old school / classic bikes daily drivers :D
I have this 69° headtube angle on my mtb and I thought I can ride the trails really fine but I went to the trails which I'm not familiar with and I was terrified. It was steep but I survived. So I decided to replace my frame with a slacker headtube angle.
Sweet rides! Doing a great job Christina! 🤙🏻
Great video. It makse sense people want more slack bikes in that area. Where I live I think between 66 and 67 is the sweet spot as is 130 - 150mm of travel if you are going full suspension. Although hardtails are quite awesome too!!
I ride a bike with 62 degrees HA, you really need to transfer weight forward in flat fast corners or you wash out. Feels super stable everywhere
Still running a standard frame, hard tail, for mountain biking. Giant talon 3 xl 27.5. I love how it works for me, I can ride anything with it, fork upgraded, and tubeless tires. Won't replace it until it breaks.
My fork is parallel to the ground. Going to buy an angleset to slacken it out just a little more.
Had a 64° headtube angle before i swapped the 180 lyriks against the dual crowns which made it 62°. Liked the slackeness so much that i also upgraded to an angled headset making it 60°...
Ur joking 🙃
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Great video, appreciated the explanation of what slacker bikes offer as I’m getting back into MTB after 15 years. Things got a lot slacker!
Slacker isn't always better though, its good for going fast down steep tracks, but not so good everywhere else, like flatter xc tracks or blue flow tracks where the slack head angle will make the steering slower and take more weight off the front, which will make the front end feel more vague and easier to wash out when cornering.
I just finished setting up my RSD RS-291 frame and this is the slackest bike I own now - 63.5 degree ht with a 150mm lyrik ultimate. I love it.
Christina is my spirit animal!!! 🤙
Yeaaa Marvin!
Running 62.9 degrees on my 27.5 with 160mm/130mm travel. It's a totally different DH ride over the stock 65.5 130/130! Climb performance really hasn't been an issue for me with it as I am used to the shorter stays and tighter fit of older bikes.
mean while me on a knolly fugitive 138 with a mullet setup... has a 62.7 degree headtube... did i mention coil front and rear?
favorite "component" Christina's pants, lol Girl those are some cool ass pants what are they? favorite bike, the Devinci Spartan
I am partial to YT bikes as I ride one (Jeffsy). Capra is sweet!
As always love the bike check videos,🎉
Slackest hardtail would be interesting. I havent tried FS before. Is it true that a full sus feels 2 degrees lees steeper than a hardtail with the same HTA?
Front sag on a hardtail steepens the effective HTA, where a FS will sag front and rear and keep the angles similar relative to one another
Crazy how the weather looks so much better up there than in SoCal!
Currently raining...again!
Vancouver has a fascinating climate.
Fun to watch
My bike is 66.5 with 120 rear 130 front and its slack enough, it handles steep double blacks just fine so why go any slacker? slacker will just make the steering slower and make it easier for the front to wash out on flatter corners, I think for the most part manufacturers keep making their bikes slacker to sell more bikes, but they can only do that for so long before they reach the limit, then what are they going to do?
What bike? Ripley? I'm on a Stumpjumper evo. I love it but its sluggish where I live. I've been buying bikes for the 10% of riding I do on trips and not the 90% of the riding I do locally. I live in pedaling distance to a pretty fun 5 mile XC trail. Across the lake is a 22 mile XC styled trail. I'm kind of wishing I would have bought the right bike for my local trails. I'm looking at the same travel range your bike is in.
@@parker6711 Its a 2019 norco fluid fs1, I brought it used for a decent price, I've upgraded most parts on it now and knocked almost 2kg off it, now it weighs 13.8kg with pedals, the bike I had before it was a 2017 trek slash 9.8, 150 rear 160 front with a 65 degree head angle, I found it a bit boring on most tracks, the suspension would just absorb everything.
But the short travel fluid is much more fun, its poppy and agile to the point where it still feels good on xc tracks, but its slack enough and stable enough to handle steep double blacks and fast rough stuff at the local bike park, I live in NZ so there's plenty of gnarly stuff here and it handles it just fine, I can still keep up with others who have a similar skill level to me on their enduro bikes.
I find it to be the ultimate all rounder, it handles bike parks just fine, it doesn't feel sluggish and numb on xc tracks, and you can do big pedal days on it without it sapping all your energy, I would highly recommend it or a bike like it, norco have changed the new fluid though, now it feels more like a generic enduro bike, as opposed to a fun poppy and playful trail bike.
They can start decreasing reach again once it's too slack, so folks can hand out more cash for more slack
My 2020 Trance 29 has nearly
Identical numbers (except 115 rear) and i agree, it can handle the steeps just fine.
The thing that slacker/ more travel gives you is stability and speed. I totally agree you can ride most trails on most bikes- but it's the confidence you get from a slacker, bigger bike that is the real difference
@@Azoth5876 I agree a slacker and longer bike will give you more stability, though I've never felt like my norco lacked any stability compared to my slash, but with any design there's always a compromise, a long slack bike will suffer in tight corners and maneuverability, it all depends on what kind of bike you like, which annoys me that the current trend is to keep making bikes slacker, in a few years time it might be hard to find a short travel 66 degree head angle bike.
I don't live near the shore so that doesn't matter. But I live right next door to N* and my Insurgent does the job on all the blacks/double blacks in the park with 65 degrees. Though I have to say last trip to Whistler I rented a v10 mullet that ran 63 degrees and it was sick!
that Banshee is DOPEE
Those Triad rims are sick
I’m 6’3, on a norco range VLT in XL, 63’ HTA with 462 chainstay. It feel balance because of the long chainstay, but the wheelbase is soooo long that it become cumbersome it the tight stuff. I think emtb (because of the weight) are more stable and doesn’t need to be as slack as regular bike… for an XL ebike , i would rather have a 65’ HTA and 445 chainstay, to shortened the wheelbase while keeping the a similar balance.
Probably a different story for small-medium bike
At 64.9 mine feels steep in comparison haha, but at least for Colorado it's more than slack enough, and even when I went to BC last summer it handled the steeps in Fernie just fine (ok I didn't attempt Kodiak Karnage or Dirt Diggler, but it did fine on everything else up there).
Slackening geometry does put much more force on the front of the frame. Manufacturers specify a minimum number, I think, before you risk snapping a frame.
capra rider's outfit is sick
The kid has some serious style -Christina
@@pinkbike I know it would be extra work, but it would be cool if you had an action shot of one of these riders... I think I found a video of quentin spinning and flipping, really increases the impact of your daily driver video. Ultra stoked for spring on the north shore, it's a great day for it!
Thank you bro 😘
Love this show so much. Plus, all them bikes are sick
i have a 2012 nukeproof scalp with a 63 degree head angle and it still shreds like new
Great video, I'm partial to Norco or Orbea lol, never ridden anything else
Just picked up a Specialized Status 160 the other day, really looking forward to the slacker geometry compared to my Intense Recluse!
Love to see the Triads. Hope I made them!
I think my Specialized Status may actually be too slack!
I got 62 on my G1. What did I win?
For the first time in my life, I have a bike that feels too slack stock, commencal meta sx on the low setting is too slack and too low in my opinion. Getting tons of pedal strikes both up and downhill, I have to lean forward way too much to weight the front wheel and climbing is more difficult. sure its faster and confidence inspiring on the super steep stuff but unnecessary. 64 degrees to 65 seems to be the sweet spot for me and for most riders, balance is the name of the game. I did modify my ebike from a 68degree ht angle to a 63 but it actually feel better than the commencal simply because of the weight distribution and cs length
slack?
transition spire: hold my beer
hahaha yep! Surprisingly didn't see one that day, but they're everywhere! -Christina
You must have just missed us. There were at least three of us out there for a lunch ride with our bright orange extra slack spires haha.
@@loki331 and do you guys think the spire is slack _enough_ ?
@@HannyDart for the Shore I think it's just right. Point it down steep things and it's happy, but still peddles reasonably well.
Michelle Rodrtiguez! THAT'S who you remind me of! Jeez, that was beating me for a month!
Having a good mullet will offset and steep headtube angle 💇♂️
The reason that banshee with the smaller wheel was easier to climb is because going down a wheelsize is equivalent to going to a smaller chainring
Yup, it's like dropping 2 teeth on the chain ring.
The slacker the better I like sitting in the bike not on it. SC Nomad XL with angle set is over kill and I run a regular post instead of a dropper. I'm 5'10 and with 35mm stem Fox Performance 36 180mm and 27.5 wheels I definitely sit in the bike.
I couldn't imagine NOT running a dropper on a modern slacked out bike. On an old, short bike sure, you just hang off the back of the bike old school style.
@@mrvwbug4423 yeah, this dude is super weird not running a dropper.
65-63* is the magic! 😉
63 1/2 baby! Pedal strikes suck though 😢
MTB: Is my bike slack enough to hit this jumps/G-out/drop? BMX: Hold my beer
I know(hope) it’s a joke, but it’s not comparable at all
Steeper bikes jump better, HTA is irrelevant on drops unless you're trying to roll one, slacker HTA makes g-outs a little less gut wrenching, but a longer bike or one with more travel works even better to tame g-outs. Of course landing a BMX to flat when you're not a teenager will make your chiropractor very happy haha
2024 Daily Drivers ???????? Love seeing other peoples bikes and builds
never too long, never too slack! 😅
*tight switchback has entered the chat* 🤣
@@mrvwbug4423 don't care about them 🤷🏿♂️. I will not change a bike that's good for 99.99% of the time for that 0.01% where I would wish it would have been shorter.
Let's say 2 seconds extra per switchback... let's say 10..no..let's say 20 per ride.. let's say 30...what I waste.. 1 minute per ride?, sorry, I cannot be bothered by 1 min per ride.
Christina what kind of dog do you want? Just curious.
Another great segment Christina. It is interesting that women don't ride on Tue...somebody has to work during the weekdays I guess. 😂
Pure beauties today!!❤❤❤
Hehe, YT a german bike in canada - i ride canadian bike in germany (banshee) xD
i love watching videos and being weirded out when most of the bikes are 64 deg for big enduro bikes and not thinking thats all that slack because my hardtail is 62.4...then going oh right thats because its a hardtail and not a full sus
Put a Zeb on my Sentinel. It's definitely slacker now, and I kinda want something less slack BUT I've found myself getting used to it in the PNW.
Assuming it’s a sentinel V2? I find the bike pretty slack how it is not too slack but definitely wouldnt go any further.
PNW is about the only place where I'd probably even want a bike that's in the 63s
Please do a 26“ special! Is it dead?
hate to break it to you, but it's been dead for a while now, 27,5 too as a matter of fact. if you don't like 29ers there pretty much are no new bikes anymore
Gonna have to go to the dirt jumps to find them nowadays
@@ricodvorsky3844rocky mountain slayer (among others) offers a 27.5 version. And super slack. My dream rig.
If they do, give me a call and I'll bring out my 2017 Kona Stinky 26 downhill to the Shore.
@@ricodvorsky3844 plenty of 26" in freeride still.
Where's ben cathro been?
Eat more big macs, bike will sink more. That's what I do.
666k subs Pinky 🎉😈
These days 65deg is considered a "trail" bike
Yep, its a bit concerning really, there's trail bikes coming out now that can be run at 63 degrees, that's the same as a downhill bike.
most people don’t know what your talking about and does it really matter to most riders?
That's what we're trying to figure out! Next video will be a new topic so stay tuned :-) -Christina
I personally think most pinkbike viewers know exactly what it's about and do think it matters
When I see 66° on my bike, I think it's time to mow more lawns..
depends on your trails. For most of the world 66 is fine for even spicy trails. It's really in BC and maybe a few spots in California, Colorado and the Alps where they build some insanely steep trails
@@mrvwbug4423 I moved to Switzerland and most of the time we ride bikeparks. I bet slacker HA can a little bit with breaking bumps and other obstacles in higher speed.
Anyone feel she seems like Mila Kunis sister? Even sounds like her
I'll take that, thank you -Christina
Get in line buddy😅
Imo, the increasing slackness is due to mtn bike parks that lift people and their bikes up, and the hype around downhill jumping and stunts that get views.
looking at a beautiful bike is like looking at a beautiful lady
"Slack" is a jamaican slang for dirty minded(sexually)
So yeah, I cant stoo giggling 😂
Urban Dictionary has some other definitions.
My 66.5 seems rather steep compared to these. lol
Same as mine, but 66.5 is still slack enough to handle steep double blacks just fine, and the steering still feels quick and responsive too, I think its a good balance for a trail bike.
not as slack as they should be?
Once you go slack you don't go back??? -Christina
soooooo slack
Slack bikes really aren’t good on the shore because it’s too tight
...all full sus
My Canadian Tire bike is faster
To load onto the bike rack or??? -Christina
@@pinkbike it's not the bike that makes the ride fast. It's the person behind the handle bars.
If the wheels blow up on the first hit, the rider probably won't be able to run downhill faster than any other bike out there lol
Christinaaa the girls were working! 🥲🥲 if you do it on a Monday will probably be there lol!
Christinaaa the girls were working! 🥲🥲 if you do it on a Monday will probably be there lol!