"You don't need to be the smartest person in the room, but you need to be confident and able to detect bullshit." That is the lesson for young professionals in this scene.
man, a memorable scene. 1. Spence is just a fraud, he should not start with his "plan" in the 1st place, but shut the f*** up, sit & learn from the others. 2. Sam is demonstrating Spence´s incapability on all levels, not only does he show the stupidity of his "ambush"; but literally destroys him. 3. at the same time, he negotiates sucessfully for more money. 4. the others just sit & watch, they learn about Sam & his abilities. 5. it´s the 1st confrontation in the group. it will not be the last.
Damn this scene packs a lot of great stuff. 0:17 dialog - "what's in the case" ... "if it's going to be amateur night..." And her look at 0:50 is deadly... then the whole bit with Sean Bean ... kickass clip, thanks for uploading it!
Deidre: "Do I need to suggest you forget us? Because we will not forget." Spence is in for a world o' hurt... it's unlikey he'd have lived long enough to have spent that cash.
I like the way Sam does business. If the client wants the deed done dirt cheap without disclosure of the risk, then they can go elsewhere. And he sure as hell doesn't want a poser in the foxhole with him!
@metalmaniacmarkus i don´t think Sean Bean sucks. this scene works because ALL actors do a great job, even the ones who sit & watch. and Sean Bean plays very well, in fact it´s harder to play an insecure & weak character, than a tough guy who has total control over the situation from beginning to end. theortically, Sean Bean could have played DeNiro´s part, and DeNiro could have played Bean´s part, and it still would have been a great scene. don´t mx up the characters with the actors´ abilites
I like the small, almost overlooked thing Gregor does when Sam is about to go hands on Spence to disarm him. He is watching what's going on, then while everyone's attention are on those two, he stands, clears his jacket and starts to reach for his Glock...just as a pro in that situation would do.
@FormulaKimball good point. i think his mission & cover are so important that he can´t use the usual resources. i think the entire mission was of the type: "try to get into that group, but once you´re in, you´re on your own". i think he´s using one of his resources for getting information. but after that shootout, when the group is virtually destroyed and he & Vincent are being hunted by the IRA, the Russian mafia, the KGB & others, he is lucky to get help from one of Vincent´s resources.
I never understood why he just didn't turn it around on DeNiro....something like, "Hey dickwad, they'd both be on rooftops shooting DOWN, so there is no way to hit each other!" When he drew the picture, I just assumed that. All that said, great scene, great movie!
They were showing a very specific street (as you could see later) and they needed to be able to run and pursue the cars (they knew there would be multiple cars, including a backup car). Nobody could be on the roof. If they could have, there would have been someone on the roof in the actual ambush.
I'm talking about how in his American film work Sean Bean gets cast as either a villan (Patriot Games, Goldeneye, Ronin, The Hitcher) or a damaged good guy (Lord of the Rings), but in the U.K. where his career began, the character he's most associated with is the heroic leader Sharpe.
Watch the movie. He may not be a phony SAS... But the caracter is completly over run by the freedom and secret policies plots that people work each others on their way. There is absolutly no structure to let that type of caracter grow in. Late in the movie, you will see that guy look to bully others but instead was off the track since the start.
Crombo Yeah, already watched this movie years ago. Normally, Sean Bean characters are awesome people but this is one of those rare moments where he's incompetent. ...and he didn't die at the end.
@DJSpinoza I think PenTheMighty was speaking about 'Special Forces' in either case Army Special Forces is a specific unit. Bravo Two Zero was about an SAS Operation in Iraq...SAS are not Army SF. Furthermore, 'Operator' is a specific moniker for a specific unit within Army SF...but I'm not harking on that specific too much as every Tom, Dick and Jerry can call themselves an 'Operator' now
@STATiSofVITALETHICS well i´m no soldier or agent but what Sam says in this scene totally makes sense: placing 2 shooters on opposite sites of a street who have to shoot at a target in-between them is a rather stupid plan: even if they hit the target, there´s always the risk of hitting each other, too.
@Troublesome2008 I understand your view. But my point is, 1. Deniro doesn't care if he is or not. Deniro used a simple question to jam the assshole and put him out of self-control... What ever the answer was. 2. Ultimately to show that assshole is not ready to go foward with that team
I love how De Niro pronounces Hereford, "what colour is the boathouse at hear-ford?" It's a bit of a small place so I don't blame him, though it's actually pronouced Hair-ref-ord ( hɛrɪfərd). The guy at the end get's it right!
@scirocco09 maybe there is one, maybe there is none. doesn´t really matter. the point is, DeNiro´s character just wanted to expose Bean´s character as a liar, i.e. that he´s not an SAS soldier & doesn´t know Hereford well. btw DeNiro also mispronounces "Here-ford" as in 2 seperate words, the correct pronunciation is: "Herryford". this might either be non-intentional (as DeNiro´s character is American), or very well intentional, i.e. an additional "testing" of Bean´s character.
No he knocked over the cup of hot coffee, which spilled down his leg and caught him totally by surprise as he was ready to fight, fully expecting de Niro to make the first move. At that, de Niro got him and took his gun. Hence the coffee being an ambush.
oh yeah i knew about that bit, it was just the cofee cup bit i didnt understand....maybe it had something to do with the other guys reflexes when he catched it earlier.... but thanks for explaining =)
@harpiyon well said ... favor indeed :) His training speaks for itself yet he also misdirects so the others are never entirely sure about him. The bullet removal scene is another example - why would he do that to himself if he's an agent with resources... but his cover is more important.
I really thought when I first saw the movie that DeNiro and Bean were working together and Bean would show up late in the movie. It never occurred. He would have been an obvious one to have shot Seamus (not Vincent) prior to Seamus dispatching Sam.
Hereford is where the SAS (the unit Bean claimed to be formerly with) trains. He asked him because he'd figured out he wasn't actually a former SAS guy, and wanted to put him off balance to prove it to everyone else.
He’s doing what’s called “cognitive loading,” which is basically setting someone off balance and then stacking cognitive stress until the person breaks composure and reveals themselves. When he asks him to draw it again, he interrupts his flow and then makes him try to remember. Then he asks about his past and the boathouse, showing that his prepared answers and schtick that he probably saw in a movie is a facade, and he’s really just a hollow man and a faker.
@Bugatti4evr I doubt it. Sean Bean wasn't ex-SAS in this movie. You get many regular soldiers hinting or bragging they were ex-special forces, when they never were. As we've come to learn in the media/BBC News... REAL SAS soldiers, when a few have died over past few years on tough missions in Afghanistan/Iraq... even their parents have been shocked to learn their child was in the SAS. De Niro simply found him out as non-SAS and proved it.
@tearsinrain86 Indeed. SF guys have that look in their eyes...They can be some of the nicest guys ever but if you piss them off it's like there are stormclouds brewing in those eyes. It's funny though, Sean Bean has played an SF operator in "Bravo Two Zero", lol.
It's unfortunate that in American features Sean Bean is relegated to playing flawed supporting characters. His "Sharp's" series is fantastic due to his phenominal ability at hero-play.
@Crombo He wasn't SAS. That's the reason Deniro asked him what the color was of the boathouse at Hereford. Do you think a real SAS member would draw up such a shitty ambush? The Boathouse at Hereford is constructed from red brick with wood panelling and blue painted doors, by the way :).
@harpiyon Depends on the height of the shooters' positions but the point isn't the semantics, it's that he's sick of hearing from the poser in the group, needed to cut him loose before he got one of them killed. "So what *is* the color of the boat house?" ... "How the f do I know" LOL
@FormulaKimball i think it´s both, Spence´s cheeky behaviour & his obvious lack of experience. in fact, Sam did him a favour by separating him from the "heavy guys". and concerning the boat house in Hereford: it´s possible that Sam does know its colour very well: maybe he got his military training there, but he just doesn´t want the others to know that. at the end of the movie you know that he´s an active CIA agent. s.o. like that doesn´t usually tell others much about himself.
A classic trick questiion, Answer red........wrong. Answer green......wrong again.+ Answer dragon brown tying to be cute. You lose once more. There is only one answer. Tell the truth, and defend it to the end.
Deniro's character had worked out Bean's at the outset. He just got sick of his arrogance. Had he kept quite and remained cool he wouldn't have raised suspicion. What's interesting here is whether or not Deniro new the boathouse colour or chose not to tell the team, were left to wonder....
If a Samurai becomes a Ronin he does not necessarily become a bandit or something like that...from 1868 on seppuku was forbidden..so many samurai couldn't follow their Daimyo into death...i believe most of the ronin kept their ideals and followed the path of a swordsman...
Cheer up, Sean Bean. Robert just saved you from an untimely death.
Almost a bit of raspberry jam back there eh?
Man, De Niro is so great in this movie. It amazes me how his performance here is often overlooked in comparison to his other films.
"You don't need to be the smartest person in the room, but you need to be confident and able to detect bullshit."
That is the lesson for young professionals in this scene.
One of my favorite scenes ever. Tell me about an ambush? I ambushed you with a cup of coffee!
"You're the ace field man, Draw it again!" lol Robert De Niro is the man...
The infamous De Niro repeats himself then kicks some ass.
man, a memorable scene.
1. Spence is just a fraud, he should not start with his "plan" in the 1st place, but shut the f*** up, sit & learn from the others.
2. Sam is demonstrating Spence´s incapability on all levels, not only does he show the stupidity of his "ambush"; but literally destroys him.
3. at the same time, he negotiates sucessfully for more money.
4. the others just sit & watch, they learn about Sam & his abilities.
5. it´s the 1st confrontation in the group. it will not be the last.
Damn this scene packs a lot of great stuff. 0:17 dialog - "what's in the case" ... "if it's going to be amateur night..." And her look at 0:50 is deadly... then the whole bit with Sean Bean ... kickass clip, thanks for uploading it!
That's not a "deadly" look, that's the look of a woman who knows she can't argue with that logic. Wait, I take it back, that IS a deadly look. >.>
"Just a simple diagram, draw it again."
Deidre: "Do I need to suggest you forget us? Because we will not forget."
Spence is in for a world o' hurt... it's unlikey he'd have lived long enough to have spent that cash.
I like the way Sam does business. If the client wants the deed done dirt cheap without disclosure of the risk, then they can go elsewhere. And he sure as hell doesn't want a poser in the foxhole with him!
"Is it chained to some unlucky blokes wrist" De Niro said "Blokes". Brilliant.
sean bean is such a good actor and hardly ever gets a role his talent really deserves
it's a shame...
1:55 I learnt it from my twin brother Alec.
He was a secret agent spy working for MI6 code named 006.
"i ambushed you with a cup of coffee.." classic lol...
Jean reno love you man my favorite actor
david mamet's screenwriting/dialogue is amazing (maybe not lately but it used to be)
under rated flick ~ been 1 of my favs for years. I hurt somebody's feelings once.
This happens everytime you play Pictionary with DeNiro.
@metalmaniacmarkus i don´t think Sean Bean sucks. this scene works because ALL actors do a great job, even the ones who sit & watch. and Sean Bean plays very well, in fact it´s harder to play an insecure & weak character, than a tough guy who has total control over the situation from beginning to end.
theortically, Sean Bean could have played DeNiro´s part, and DeNiro could have played Bean´s part, and it still would have been a great scene.
don´t mx up the characters with the actors´ abilites
I like the small, almost overlooked thing Gregor does when Sam is about to go hands on Spence to disarm him. He is watching what's going on, then while everyone's attention are on those two, he stands, clears his jacket and starts to reach for his Glock...just as a pro in that situation would do.
@FormulaKimball good point. i think his mission & cover are so important that he can´t use the usual resources.
i think the entire mission was of the type: "try to get into that group, but once you´re in, you´re on your own".
i think he´s using one of his resources for getting information. but after that shootout, when the group is virtually destroyed and he & Vincent are being hunted by the IRA, the Russian mafia, the KGB & others, he is lucky to get help from one of Vincent´s resources.
"One does not simply set up an ambush..."
One of the best scenes in movie History.
@TheWettBandits It doesn't matter what's in the case either. It's just a MacGuffin like in Pulp Fiction.
I never understood why he just didn't turn it around on DeNiro....something like, "Hey dickwad, they'd both be on rooftops shooting DOWN, so there is no way to hit each other!" When he drew the picture, I just assumed that.
All that said, great scene, great movie!
***** would have but Sean's character didn't know his shit, so Sam destroys his plan he couldn't think on his feet.
They were showing a very specific street (as you could see later) and they needed to be able to run and pursue the cars (they knew there would be multiple cars, including a backup car). Nobody could be on the roof. If they could have, there would have been someone on the roof in the actual ambush.
What's the color of the boathouse at Hereford?
One of them brilliant come back lines in these classic film!
Sean bean is a great actor
definitely the best part of the movie
Needed moar shootahs.
great movie amazing car chase scenes jean reno as vincent a mercenary is excellent
jean reno is the coolest, he's the french mifune.
agreed
I'm talking about how in his American film work Sean Bean gets cast as either a villan (Patriot Games, Goldeneye, Ronin, The Hitcher) or a damaged good guy (Lord of the Rings), but in the U.K. where his career began, the character he's most associated with is the heroic leader Sharpe.
@harpiyon so was the plan basically stupid because the 2 shooters would end up killing each other?
Do I need to suggest you forget us? Because we will not forget.
/shivers
“Thanks for your time.” That line kills.
OH MY GOD, THEY KILLED SEAN BE-.. oh wait, it didn't happen here.
Watch the movie. He may not be a phony SAS... But the caracter is completly over run by the freedom and secret policies plots that people work each others on their way. There is absolutly no structure to let that type of caracter grow in.
Late in the movie, you will see that guy look to bully others but instead was off the track since the start.
Crombo
Yeah, already watched this movie years ago. Normally, Sean Bean characters are awesome people but this is one of those rare moments where he's incompetent. ...and he didn't die at the end.
his credibility was killed
@DJSpinoza I think PenTheMighty was speaking about 'Special Forces' in either case Army Special Forces is a specific unit. Bravo Two Zero was about an SAS Operation in Iraq...SAS are not Army SF. Furthermore, 'Operator' is a specific moniker for a specific unit within Army SF...but I'm not harking on that specific too much as every Tom, Dick and Jerry can call themselves an 'Operator' now
I knew a lot of operators back in the day.Of course the worked for the phone company.But don't laugh....ua-cam.com/video/s2NNZdigSXg/v-deo.html
@STATiSofVITALETHICS well i´m no soldier or agent but what Sam says in this scene totally makes sense: placing 2 shooters on opposite sites of a street who have to shoot at a target in-between them is a rather stupid plan: even if they hit the target, there´s always the risk of hitting each other, too.
One of the first things mentioned when learning about ambushes. By that point you should know all about muzzle sweep.
@TheWettBandits there isn't any boathouse at Hereford...
@Troublesome2008 I understand your view. But my point is,
1. Deniro doesn't care if he is or not. Deniro used a simple question to jam the assshole and put him out of self-control...
What ever the answer was.
2. Ultimately to show that assshole is not ready to go foward with that team
I love how De Niro pronounces Hereford, "what colour is the boathouse at hear-ford?" It's a bit of a small place so I don't blame him, though it's actually pronouced Hair-ref-ord ( hɛrɪfərd). The guy at the end get's it right!
that's a nice perspective, granting even more dimensions to De Niro's character.
@scirocco09 maybe there is one, maybe there is none. doesn´t really matter.
the point is, DeNiro´s character just wanted to expose Bean´s character as a liar, i.e. that he´s not an SAS soldier & doesn´t know Hereford well.
btw DeNiro also mispronounces "Here-ford" as in 2 seperate words, the correct pronunciation is: "Herryford". this might either be non-intentional (as DeNiro´s character is American), or very well intentional, i.e. an additional "testing" of Bean´s character.
Top 5 Fav Movies Ever
Same here. Have you watched the director's commentary? It's technical but good. What are your other favorites?
I only watched this 20+ times lol
Also liked "The final Option (SAS Raid), Spymaker (Ian Fleming story)
Best underrated movie of all time.
Great action, car chases, realism and attention to detail.
Just wish I knew what the fuck was in the case!
Bingo. Ofcourse, You're gonna trust a guy with your life, who can't even tell he got set up by coffee?
Draw it again....DRAW IT AGAIN!!!
No he knocked over the cup of hot coffee, which spilled down his leg and caught him totally by surprise as he was ready to fight, fully expecting de Niro to make the first move.
At that, de Niro got him and took his gun. Hence the coffee being an ambush.
Heh. I thought I noticed something sneaky about that coffee.
I just find it great because my first name is Ronin
De niro's best performance apart from GF2 and taxi driver as far as I am concerned
Sean Bean could have easily called his bluff on the account of the fact that Hereford isn't pronounced Hear-ford! Too funny...
oh yeah i knew about that bit, it was just the cofee cup bit i didnt understand....maybe it had something to do with the other guys reflexes when he catched it earlier....
but thanks for explaining =)
Sean Penn really is a great actor.
Boromir gets owned again.
The boathouse at Hereford was green, now it's a Garage..
WHAT COLOR IS THE BOATHOUSE AT HEREFORD?!?!?!?!!
@harpiyon well said ... favor indeed :) His training speaks for itself yet he also misdirects so the others are never entirely sure about him. The bullet removal scene is another example - why would he do that to himself if he's an agent with resources... but his cover is more important.
Great scene! Underrated movie.
ROCK! Awesome moment from an awesome movie!
Great Movie!!
Is this pan & scan or open matte?
I really thought when I first saw the movie that DeNiro and Bean were working together and Bean would show up late in the movie. It never occurred. He would have been an obvious one to have shot Seamus (not Vincent) prior to Seamus dispatching Sam.
2:48 embarrassment, shame, and humiliation.
Shooters here... and shooters here.
DRAW IT AGAIN!
Ahaha classic!
The kgb guy was ready to go was reaching for his gun
Hereford is where the SAS (the unit Bean claimed to be formerly with) trains. He asked him because he'd figured out he wasn't actually a former SAS guy, and wanted to put him off balance to prove it to everyone else.
He’s doing what’s called “cognitive loading,” which is basically setting someone off balance and then stacking cognitive stress until the person breaks composure and reveals themselves. When he asks him to draw it again, he interrupts his flow and then makes him try to remember. Then he asks about his past and the boathouse, showing that his prepared answers and schtick that he probably saw in a movie is a facade, and he’s really just a hollow man and a faker.
great film, shame DeNiro was upstaged by the Audi S8! awesome car!
It's also gonna need a nitrous system
Whats in the case? Probably the recipe for KFC chicken or the formula for Viagra. Or Trumps hairpiece.
I love this scene, Deniro calls his bluff and puts him in his fucking place.
the bullets can ricochet on the ground or the cars and hit the other team.
i dont think so
Wow Sean Bean lived!
now that i know that a ronin is a samurai, without a master, but in the past i thought a ronin was a weapon.
"New York/LA Police Tactics 101"
I LOVE this movie
You must not have understood the part where De Niro's character admits to Deirdre that he's a CIA operative.
emboscada para seu inimigo com uma xicara de café
@Bugatti4evr I doubt it. Sean Bean wasn't ex-SAS in this movie. You get many regular soldiers hinting or bragging they were ex-special forces, when they never were. As we've come to learn in the media/BBC News... REAL SAS soldiers, when a few have died over past few years on tough missions in Afghanistan/Iraq... even their parents have been shocked to learn their child was in the SAS. De Niro simply found him out as non-SAS and proved it.
@tearsinrain86
Indeed. SF guys have that look in their eyes...They can be some of the nicest guys ever but if you piss them off it's like there are stormclouds brewing in those eyes. It's funny though, Sean Bean has played an SF operator in "Bravo Two Zero", lol.
It's best not to be around them if you're not on their team once they click on.
DRAW IT AGAIN
So what is the color of the boathouse ?
orange
there is no boathouse
Tf I know
dude ronin is a samurai that does not perform seppuku (kills himself after serving his purpose or after his master dies) becoming an outcast
Next time I go to Starbuck's, I'm going to ambush somebody with a cup of coffee!
It's unfortunate that in American features Sean Bean is relegated to playing flawed supporting characters. His "Sharp's" series is fantastic due to his phenominal ability at hero-play.
Robert de Niro OWNED Sean Bean.
With that music and de Neros face i thought he was going to kill Spencer then. What a badass.
There is no boathouse at the SAS Hereford
What is the color of the latrines and the Tim Hortons
EXACTLY! But the answer is Red. ;-)
if sean bean had stayed quiet. he would still be on the team. thats why! quiet people stand out! speak only unless spoken to.
how are you supposed to set up an ambush anyway?
@Crombo
He wasn't SAS. That's the reason Deniro asked him what the color was of the boathouse at Hereford. Do you think a real SAS member would draw up such a shitty ambush? The Boathouse at Hereford is constructed from red brick with wood panelling and blue painted doors, by the way :).
@harpiyon Depends on the height of the shooters' positions but the point isn't the semantics, it's that he's sick of hearing from the poser in the group, needed to cut him loose before he got one of them killed. "So what *is* the color of the boat house?" ... "How the f do I know" LOL
It became painfully apparent after the tunnel scene, when Bean's character yakked up after losing the cops.
What ever he does... He is in the dark sides...
No more light from is master... or no more cause to fight (to live with)...
@FormulaKimball i think it´s both, Spence´s cheeky behaviour & his obvious lack of experience. in fact, Sam did him a favour by separating him from the "heavy guys".
and concerning the boat house in Hereford: it´s possible that Sam does know its colour very well: maybe he got his military training there, but he just doesn´t want the others to know that.
at the end of the movie you know that he´s an active CIA agent. s.o. like that doesn´t usually tell others much about himself.
I think there isn't a boat house there at all
Great scene! One of my favorite movies.
It's a miracle!
whats with the coffee??
is it there to test that guys reflexes or something?
With Gregor it was. With Spence, it made everyone see that he could be distracted by something small at the worst possible time.
A classic trick questiion,
Answer red........wrong.
Answer green......wrong again.+
Answer dragon brown tying to be cute. You lose once more.
There is only one answer.
Tell the truth, and defend it to the end.
Deniro's character had worked out Bean's at the outset. He just got sick of his arrogance. Had he kept quite and remained cool he wouldn't have raised suspicion. What's interesting here is whether or not Deniro new the boathouse colour or chose not to tell the team, were left to wonder....
great scene
awesome scene!!!
he wasted almost a full cup of coffee... damn, peaple should never waste a coffee, its good stuff, really!!!
If a Samurai becomes a Ronin he does not necessarily become a bandit or something like that...from 1868 on seppuku was forbidden..so many samurai couldn't follow their Daimyo into death...i believe most of the ronin kept their ideals and followed the path of a swordsman...