You CAN buy a Testa Rossa like in Miami Vice for under 60k in running condition. Problem? It'll just EASILY take 60k yearly to KEEP RUNNING. When you COULD just rent one for a few hours or a weekend. It was about 2,500 10 years ago, then don't have to store, maintain or gas one.
@@tylerbloomington7695Clever name for such a clever boy! Snowball so cute!🐱❄️☺️(I couldn’t find a white cat emoji so I just used a snowflake to represent him instead)
The house looked like a giant Jackson Pollock after, though. If you're not familiar with Jackson Pollock, search that name for images and compare with the latest house photos.
@@pietro4772i’d guess that was just the city infrastructure that damage alludes too. if you low ball the house values at 300k x 30 that’s already 9 million.
As a retired Firefighter/EMS Medical First Responder with over 30yrs service and 16yrs as a Insurance Special Investigator in Fire and Fraud losses, it never astounds me how dumb some people can be. Greed kills!! I've testified in numerous felony arson cases over the years. Have helped send a few people to prison for their crimes in West Virginia and Ohio.
@@Jeff-sp7bg kind of like my large collection of Firearms. I tell the ATF and local law enforcement...lost in a boating accident in the ocean. Sorry, at the bottom of the sea.🤔😉😏
It actually happened around 11pm. I was sleeping on a giant, thick air mattress at the time. It lifted me, the mattress and everything in the room. Everyone in my apartment complex came outside to see what it was. We were several miles away.
@@lauraelliott6909if it did happen here is no way they were "several miles" away. It is certainly possible they got tossed but they would had to have been much closer.
We lived about 7 miles from that housing addition. I’ll never forget feeling our floor vibrate and the explosion we heard. Never hope to experience anything like that again!
@@kaisong5004that isn’t something we can fix and this person is allowed to not want that experience again. my heart goes out to all struggling, but what can be done here? i donate when i can but realistically, what can we do? if you do have better ideas, i’d genuinely love to hear.
I think 50 years was fair. It was her house and she should have said no with blowing up her house. She made sure her cat was safe but not her neighbors.
Exactly she completely ignored the risk it had to the lives of her neighbours, if she had made sure they where not home then I think maybe 20 years would have been enough but she still destroyed their property. These idiots really thought they could by a Ferrari for the insurance money instead.
She actively participated in the plans to do this, too. I don't feel sorry for this woman in the slightest. I feel terrible for the two people who were killed.
Robert saying “I’ve only been in trouble twice in my life, and both were his fault”… is he not a grown adult who’s capable of making his own decision? Incapable of taking responsibility.
She was holding a tissue, screwing up her face. I suspect that she was more upset about where she was going rather than about what she did. She harmed her daughter, too
Mark went from exotic dancer to roofer but was a piece of trap con artist. Monserat Shirley loved Mark, the cat and her daughter. I'm good with 50 years. Mark. He's gone. Happy ending. I'm sorry for the neighbors and what they were put through. I hope they are all able to recover.
I apologize for not recalling the detail that 2 neighbor's had died. Of course it's horrible anyone was harmed or died because of the horrible act of Mark. I am sorry that anyone had to go through what Mark caused. I can only imagine. I thought of the survivors, I hope for them, that they can recover. I sincerely do. I'm sure there were children involved. 50 years for her, absolutely. I do not think was too harsh of a sentence.
Nah. I'm good with 50 years. This woman is dangerous & likely would allow something awful to happen again of she were out there. I wonder how her daughter coped with this insanity.
She's also up for parole in 2036, and her victims' friends and families can drop the ball when those hearings start up. So, at least many years to reflect on what she did and to, hopefully, be penitent and remorseful? This is fine.
Never ceases to Surprise me how good investigators are like nothing left of the crime scene eventually and he can still put the pieces together like that it’s astounding
He also didn't understand that the covg A on home insurance is to simply rebuild the home. You don't get to keep the money and put it in the bank. If you insure it for more than what it costs to replace, you don't get to pocket the excess, either.
I mean it can vary but you are not wrong. When my husband did a claim for fire damage for items anyway they only give you a percentage, and then when you rebuy the items they give you more when you provide receipts. (For the portion that goes to you for replacing the items inside the home).
I disagree. She deserves 50 years. She knew what he was going to do. She took her daughter to a babysitter and took her cat to a boarding facility. She also lied and tried to scam further by telling the insurance company she owned a Picasso that way she can get more money from the insurance company. Dr Grande said she indicated she was fine with her husband scamming innocent women for money, as long as he didn't have sex with them. She had zero empathy for those women. Maybe she didn't expect people to die, but she was 100% on board with insurance scamming and claiming she lost a Picasso. She deserves 50 years.
She was fine with him cheating, overweight, older women out of money as long as he didn’t sleep with them??? Yeah, she deserved every BIT of that 50 year sentence.
People around here don’t believe her sentence was too harsh. She showed zero remorse. The only tears were for herself. She erased the young couple next door. She was a lying, cheating bar-fly. Disgusting.
I agree. She allowed him to carry on with his charades with other women and not once, but three times let him attempt to blow up her house with success on the third try. Then, to try to con the insurance company saying that she owned a Picasso shows me she is just as much a cold criminal as the rest of them. Those poor neighbors that were killed...they had their entire lives ahead of them.
That’s a matter of opinion. The problem is going forward suspects in your county are going to be very hesitant to cooperate in exchange for a lighter sentence now. The DA in your county has demonstrated he/she isn’t trustworthy.
@@Ken-fh4jcthat’s what she gets for not getting a better plea bargain. Can’t leave it up to the judge - that’s not even the DAs doing half the time. They can only say Hey she kinda helped so go easy on her. Unless it’s already on paper exactly how long you’re gonna get, you might as well not cooperate. Also, no sympathy for any criminals so idc what she got.
When this happened, I lived right around the corner. I knew people who lost friends and loved ones. So many of us felt so much anger once we realized this was in intentional act. To know a mother and a nurse put so many at risk over an insurance payday was just sickening. At first, many of us couldn't sleep at nights out of fear our own gas line would blow up. Then when we found out she did it, it made for sleepless nights thinking how easy it was for one person to blow up an entire neighborhood.
These people were so stupid as to apparently think that doubling the replacement cost value on their home would mean that they would pocket the excess.
Lol same ! I thought it was my adhd but I do find it hard to follow sometimes. Just need not be distracted while listening . Full attention type content style
@@dawnpence3248 that may be the case but that's just mere speculation in a situation like this....I really hope snowball is thriving in his current situation but that's just mere speculation...
This explosion was SO disruptive and damaging to so many people for quite a long time. The neighbors who lost their homes were displaced for years. It was CRAZY. Plenty of lingering PTSD, too.
I remember this. I was walking my dog and heard a huge boom all the way in Greenwood. Initially I thought perhaps there was a training exercise going on at Atterbury, but then I heard all the sirens and found out otherwise.
@@Muffy-b1g she was ok, she was never bothered by loud noises. I could walk her at night on the 4th of July and she wouldn’t bat an eye. We feel lucky to have had her in our lives. 😊
My co-worker blew up his house using the fill-the-house-up-with-natural-gas method also. I never heard how the gas was ignited. His body was found in the basement where the natural gas line entered the house. The house was completely destroyed but somehow the nearby houses received only partial damage. I lived a couple of miles from his house and when it happened we were entertaining my sister and brother-in-law at my home. We heard and felt a large ‘thud’ sound and I thought our young children were jumping off a bed upstairs. I only found out the next day about the explosion. I liked my co-worker but I also knew that his wife had taken their kids and had left him. I knew this because we lived next door to the wife’s sister and she filled us in on the domestic drama. It came to light that his wife had good reasons to leave him. He was kind at work but I guess he had a hidden side of controlling and angry behaviour within his home. The common cliche of “no one knows what goes on behind closed doors” was true in his case.
Blowing up your house honestly shows his character but at least he thankfully didn't take the kids with him like some jellous controlling partners when the other partner decides to leave but perhaps he didn't get access to them.
I know the type. I found myself in a relationship with a guy who was charming at work and everyone, coworkers and customers alike, thought he was so nice, and in reality he was a monster. Of course he didn’t let me see that side until I was too deep into his vortex. Very true, you don’t always know what’s going on behind closed doors.
@Joe-qm4yv It’s not slander if it’s true, and my sources are a nine out of 10. I don’t name the person nor can anyone trace his or my personal history regarding my story. Go back to law school my friend.
Dear Lord, what is wrong with some people?? My family & I had to evacuate from an apt. that we rented from a lifelong family friend. My son called me down where boiler was located. All I could smell was (mercaptan) rotten egg smell all throughout the basement. Told him to take cell phone but not to press any buttons, light switches,etc. & go out of house far away & call FDNY. They came asap. We all evacuated, they shut down gas valve lines. House was ready to explode.😢
Kudos to the fire investigators who determined the cause of the explosion. Many activities act as clues to arson like vacating the house, removing valuables, raising insurance, etc. Good job investigators!
I love how Dr. Grande even includes exact details like "she lived with her daughter a cat named 'snowball' 😂😂...and clever deatail about boarding snowball
I don't know why, but it still baffles me at the stupidity of some of these criminals. Increasing the insurance, right before the explosion.....Having a van pull up and remove items, right before the explosion.....Boarding their pet, right before the explosion. Them going to a casino, and make no effort to convincingly appear as if they want to be there. Wow.
I would love to see a documentary on how crime scene investigators solve these cases. How did you know the microwave was use as the ignition source when it’s in pieces 5 houses down? How do you know that the valve on the fireplace was missing when the fireplace is in a million pieces so technical it itself is missing as well. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not that I don’t believe them. It’s just hard to imagine them finding all the pieces they need in order to make it all come together in the end to come up with an educated guess as to what happened. I mean I walk into my kids room and shits a mess. I ask who did it and they blame either other. There’s a 50% chance I get it right but yet I can never figure it out 😆😆😆
Please look for Forensic Files. Tubi has them free! S1 had a pilot who put his wife thru a woodchipper (pre-dates FARGO) and how they caught him.w NO body. E2, I think. Then, a kid was at a party w her mother and got kidnapped when bringing coats. The kid was wearing a VERY specific outfit from JC Penny (1980s). They found the exact very specific threads from THAT specific outfit! It was AMAZING! Someone even found THAT catalog! They also used a mid-90s Honda interior, over the correct 70s one, but I'd only know that b/c I had one. Finding threads and a catalog was a great show. FYI, every SEARS catalog is online, verbatim, anyone who likes that stuff. In 75, the Wish Book was OVER 600 pages!
How greedy, and wreckless, and selfish. They killed a neighbor couple, injured 12 other neighbors, and destroyed many homes in their neighborhood. For money. And now they are in prison....how was this worth 2 human beings lives, all the pain and suffering of others, just complete and utter destruction. All the money in the world, would never make me do something so awful to get it. Work and save people. This was just rotten.
RIP those poor victims that was probably asleep next door. These two twits should have taken the hint when the plan did not happen the two weekends prior and given up!!!!
I've been trying to leave a comment the entire episode but can't figure out what to say lol. Atleast this took my mind off the BS I'm having to accept and ignore so I'll say thank you to Dr. Grande for another excellent video!!! 🙌🏼
This is exactly what happened in the film Double Jeopardy starring Tommy Lee Jones & Ashley Judd. Bruce Greenwood's character loosened the gas valve on the stove in order to kill Ashley Judd's character's friend after fearing she would reveal to the authorities that he faked his death in order to receive $2 million in life insurance that Ashley Judd had on him.
@@nancyappel5645 No, the movie with the gas explosion was Double Jeopardy. Bruce Greenwood killed Ashley Judd's character's friend while he & Ashley Judd's son Matty were at a football game & made it look like an accident.
@@kyleboulanger170 Google it and I know these two movies very well, so with that being said, the movie was kiss the girls with Morgan Freeman and Ashley Judd.
I was a child and lived in Indianapolis at the time, felt the explosion. Some kids at school lived in the neighborhood and had their homes damaged. Wild
I think the sentence is fair. As well as taking two lives, she likely ruined many others. Not everyone can afford the best home insurance and I bet that some of the people whose homes were pulled down lost substantially, perhaps to the point of not being able to buy new homes (unless the state compensated them). She had SO MUCH time to think and stop it. Not only did she know (and apparently not care) that he was defrauding other people, their scheme had failed twice. Anyone with a conscience would have contacted police.
I mean did they not know this would destroy the whole neighborhood. Most people would just their house on fire. This is one of the dumbest most reckless things I have ever seen. And the poor victims.
My condolences to the family and friends of the young couple killed from the explosion. In my opinion, justice was fairly served considering the extreme level of death and destruction caused by all of the criminals convicted and sentenced in this case.
I am a retired cop and a retired attorney. I want to take a moment to clarify how somebody can be prosecuted for premeditated murder for an accidental death that occurred during the commission of an arson related offense even if the person did not intend to kill anybody. The law varies in the U.S. between states but most states have some version of the “felony murder rule”. Under the felony murder rule, any death caused during the commission of a felony can be prosecuted as premeditated murder. Premeditated murder is generally the highest degree of murder under a state’s laws. A conviction for premeditated murder generally carries the harshest penalties of any type of murder. I will provide a couple of examples. Example No. 1: Two guys go into a liquor store to commit a robbery. The store clerk experiences extreme emotional distress and has a heart attack during the course of the robbery. The two robbers can be prosecuted for premeditated murder under the felony murder rule even though the clerk died of a heart attack. Example No. 2: A young couple is experiencing severe financial problems. They decide to rob a bank to get the money they need. During the robbery, a security guard shoots and kills the man. The woman can be charged with the premeditated murder of her partner under the felony murder rule even though it was the security guard who actually shot and killed her partner. There are three common justifications given for the felony murder rule. The first justification is that the felony murder rule discourages criminals from committing felony offenses. The second justification is that the felony murder rule provides an incentive for criminals to take the maximum possible care for the safety of potential victims if a felony is committed. The third justification is that felons should be held responsible for any deaths they cause whether they intended to cause those deaths or not. After all, the victim is dead regardless of the criminal’s intent. There are obvious arguments for and against the felony murder rule. I think I heard every variation of those arguments when I was in law school.
50 years is 'excessive' for a woman who knew about the plot & did nothing to stop it & didn't care who got harmed? Oh, yeah, sorry, she must have been 'tricked' by the guy's 'charm.' A woman could never have an immoral or criminal impulse on her own... it has to be the guy's fault. She's as culpable as everyone else in this sad sad affair. BTW what happened to the child? Did the father get custody? That's the only GOOD I see coming out of this.
Considering than in most developed countries such a sentence would be impossible I guess one could say so, then again in the US sentences seem to be excessive almost always to the rest of the world
Such extreme sentences are the outliers. Usually, people do very little time in the US. Murder is often plea bargained down to manslaughter and the killer is out in about 7 years, or less. This doesn't make us happy. Most of us believe that too lenient sentences don't show reverence for human life, encourage victims to retaliate, and are inadequate to protect the community. @oceanstaiga5928
As an Australian who has a degree in criminal justice, i think that sentencing in the U.S is much better than here in Australia, or the U.K, Canada, and other countries in Europe. @@oceanstaiga5928
@oceanstaiga5928 Indeed, US sentences are excessive, clearly doesn't act as deterrent, people rotting in jail for years seems like cruel and unusual punishment. The US has prison complexes bigger than some European cities. Their prisons are privatised so there is a profit motive. Sick society. Yes, I am from the UK
@@helenmcdonnell2585 I myself have never been to the US let alone any prison there but from the statistics it is unsettling how large of a percentage of their population is behind bars. The discussions of punishments for any crime will probably stay forever in our human society but it doesn’t seem that rehabilitation is working quite well yet like you said
I was living in Indiana at the time and remember this like it was yesterday. Men and women are “equal” but people always want women to do less time for the exact same crimes for some reason. She was involved in a fraudulent scheme that got 2 people killed and caused millions in damages. If you are an adult and allow someone to manipulate you, that is still YOUR DECISION. Stupid games lead to stupid prizes. Her sentence was too light.
my god, i have a hard time with this. people are absolutely crazy. what can we do about them? btw, dr. grande is perfect in his role, i find myself watching the interesting stuff ..
I think Mark’s brother was obviously no better, he blamed his brother for getting into trouble, I guess he never heard of the word NO, I’m not willing to help you blow your house up, Montsie was no better, all any of them cared about was getting money & wasting it. 😢
Imagine your wife takes your house in divorce then goes full Oppenheimer on that shit to cash in on insurance money. The expression on Snowball the Cats face was telling of being surrounded by clowns.
Child support can be such a scam. I saw it first hand with my parents. My mother hid her income so she could get more $ from my dad and let’s just say she only spend what she absolutely had to on me. He bought me what I needed almost always, outside of the support money he paid. And my middle and high school tuition. I see it happen with friends of mine today even, the mother won’t work so she gets as much money as possible and gets bills all paid by the new husband - spends barely anything on the child. It’s a broken system.
It's a sad situation but I can't see what the answer would be. The courts can't facilitate a controlling ex getting more opportunities to control the mother. I mean essentially what you're saying is that an adult women should have been supervised.
I've seen this very often. That's why I and the mother of my kids signed a legal paper in case of a separation. We lived together 20 years without being married. But when she came to live with me, we signed legal paper that said that we kept what we paid for. It's fair and it's not expensive. And if someone refuse to sign it, you know why they are interested in you.
Dr. Grande, you should also voice for Audio Books. Especially for those of us who watch/listen to your videos to fall asleep by; I mean this as a compliment. Your tone is quite relaxing.
She's up for parole in late 2036, and her victims' friends and families can drop the ball when those hearings start up. So, at least around 20 years to reflect on what she did and to, hopefully, be penitent and remorseful and maybe earn some mercy? This is fine. Thank you Dr. Todd Grande. Rarely do I disagree with you, but I'm always grateful for your offerings here.
Her sentence was not too long. She could have called 911 and reported the gas leak after they left. If she had stopped at the Speedway gas station on the corner and called 911, the firestation across the street from the neighborhood could have intervened, Saving Jennifer and Dion. Everyone would have still gone to jail but her deal would have been a fraction of the time. She had so many opportunities to stop this mess. She could have reported the plan before and law enforcement would have been able to help prevent it. She wanted the money and if FAR from a victim!
Dr. Grande, it would be awesome if you did a video explaining how a court and doctors can bring someone who is mentally ill to a mental state of competence to stand trial and what those standards are. Something I’ve always wondered about. Thanks!
I feel sorry for the young couple that lost their lives.
He was only getting $300,000 and plan to buy a Ferrari no wonder these idiots were in bankruptcy
I thought the same, was he going to spend the entire windfall on a car?
Right, it reinforces that stupidity and criminality have a negative synergent effect.
You CAN buy a Testa Rossa like in Miami Vice for under 60k in running condition.
Problem? It'll just EASILY take 60k yearly to KEEP RUNNING.
When you COULD just rent one for a few hours or a weekend. It was about 2,500 10 years ago, then don't have to store, maintain or gas one.
Car and Driver had a comprehensive list of car running costs yearly.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 I'll bet you wished you had that $2500 back.
I like how Dr. Grande even found a picture of Snowball somehow.
I did not expect snowball to make an appearance, what a clever name too... get it? because he's white like snow? haha
Dr. Grande is thorough. He does his research.
@@tylerbloomington7695Clever name for such a clever boy! Snowball so cute!🐱❄️☺️(I couldn’t find a white cat emoji so I just used a snowflake to represent him instead)
He is thorough! 😊
not gonna lie, id be suspicious of the cat too. pretty shady lookin
The very fact that a claim for a Picasso was made highlights the level of stupidity we're dealing with here.
At least they didn't claim to have a Da Vinci.
The guy was once employed as a stripper.
That would make an insurance company immidiatly suspicious lol, if she had one you would make sure to have proof of it. Definitely not high iq people.
The house looked like a giant Jackson Pollock after, though. If you're not familiar with Jackson Pollock, search that name for images and compare with the latest house photos.
They thought 300k will buy them a ferrari. A car is one of the stupidest "investment" you can make. And 300k won't buy you a ferrari.
When you wish your neighbors only had a meth lab. Jeez...
30 houses had to be demolished? Holy shit that is insane
Definitely more than 4.5 million worth of damage.
We had a gas hot water heater explode in the garage, but wow, we got off lucky.
I wonder who paid for the rebuilding especially if some residents were not insured
For context the (non nuclear) biggest bombs in ww2 were the Tallboy with 2,400 g of explosives. This was a little over than that.
@@pietro4772i’d guess that was just the city infrastructure that damage alludes too. if you low ball the house values at 300k x 30 that’s already 9 million.
I remember this. It was local. It killed a local teacher. No one could believe it.
The blast that Bruce Greenwood caused in Double Jeopardy also killed a schoolteacher.
RIP Dion and Jennifer
Not even the locals?
@@whiskeykilmer1866Nah, they were too local to locate it
As a retired Firefighter/EMS Medical First Responder with over 30yrs service and 16yrs as a Insurance Special Investigator in Fire and Fraud losses, it never astounds me how dumb some people can be. Greed kills!!
I've testified in numerous felony arson cases over the years. Have helped send a few people to prison for their crimes in West Virginia and Ohio.
And overconfidence & extremely stupidity . . . So senseless!
I've had a few vehicles dissapear in my day. They just vanished.
Yeah! Ohio!
@@Jeff-sp7bg kind of like my large collection of Firearms. I tell the ATF and local law enforcement...lost in a boating accident in the ocean. Sorry, at the bottom of the sea.🤔😉😏
Hey thank you for your service, sir. We appreciate you.
It actually happened around 11pm. I was sleeping on a giant, thick air mattress at the time. It lifted me, the mattress and everything in the room. Everyone in my apartment complex came outside to see what it was. We were several miles away.
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Several miles away and it lifted an entire apartment complex into the air. Hahahaha, sure thing. Only on youtube, hahahahaha.
@@whiskeykilmer1866 You didn't read that very well.
@@lauraelliott6909if it did happen here is no way they were "several miles" away. It is certainly possible they got tossed but they would had to have been much closer.
Monserrat Shirley sounds like the name of a crime boss or drug lord or something 😳
Or the evil villain in a James Bond movie.
True on both accounts! LOL
Keyser Söze
Natural justice was served - Mark died in prison of an internal explosion
LOL
Karma has a sense of humor I see lol
What? I want to know what happened
6:48 gastrointestinal hemorrhage... So like... A leak in his gas line.
We lived about 7 miles from that housing addition. I’ll never forget feeling our floor vibrate and the explosion we heard. Never hope to experience anything like that again!
People in Gaza experience this everyday
@@kaisong5004go help them then
@@kaisong5004that isn’t something we can fix and this person is allowed to not want that experience again. my heart goes out to all struggling, but what can be done here? i donate when i can but realistically, what can we do? if you do have better ideas, i’d genuinely love to hear.
I think 50 years was fair. It was her house and she should have said no with blowing up her house. She made sure her cat was safe but not her neighbors.
Exactly she completely ignored the risk it had to the lives of her neighbours, if she had made sure they where not home then I think maybe 20 years would have been enough but she still destroyed their property. These idiots really thought they could by a Ferrari for the insurance money instead.
Snowball will live.
She actively participated in the plans to do this, too. I don't feel sorry for this woman in the slightest. I feel terrible for the two people who were killed.
Robert saying “I’ve only been in trouble twice in my life, and both were his fault”… is he not a grown adult who’s capable of making his own decision? Incapable of taking responsibility.
I meant to post my comment on the main comments but forgot I was still in your comment lol.
Montsie was crying in every picture. She should feel that shame for the rest of her life for agreeing to something that hideous and stupid.
her crying is fake look no tears
There are I got caught tears real but not out of gulit @@donprice9050
She was holding a tissue, screwing up her face.
I suspect that she was more upset about where she was going rather than about what she did.
She harmed her daughter, too
Crocodile tears
Mark looked and acted like his parents might have been twins.
Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent
This is a good one!
True christian words!
@@LukeSumIpsePatremTedefinitely not scripture lol but a Christian wouldn’t be involved in “law” enforcement, anyway
So do we need law anyway? Let people do whatever they want and let's just forgive them, right?@@LukeSumIpsePatremTe
I would say that's cruelty to the victims.
Mark went from exotic dancer to roofer but was a piece of trap con artist. Monserat Shirley loved Mark, the cat and her daughter. I'm good with 50 years. Mark. He's gone. Happy ending. I'm sorry for the neighbors and what they were put through. I hope they are all able to recover.
I couldn’t agree with you more
the two dead people can't recover
@@bbopppppppppppppI think he means the 29 other households that got demolished
I apologize for not recalling the detail that 2 neighbor's had died. Of course it's horrible anyone was harmed or died because of the horrible act of Mark. I am sorry that anyone had to go through what Mark caused. I can only imagine. I thought of the survivors, I hope for them, that they can recover. I sincerely do. I'm sure there were children involved. 50 years for her, absolutely. I do not think was too harsh of a sentence.
I see what you did there. 🤣
Horrible people. Didn't even take into account the fact that neighbors could be hurt in this endeavor
Nah. I'm good with 50 years. This woman is dangerous & likely would allow something awful to happen again of she were out there. I wonder how her daughter coped with this insanity.
Absolutely agree 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Agreed. Plus she shouldn’t be raising another woman. She has way too many problems.
She's also up for parole in 2036, and her victims' friends and families can drop the ball when those hearings start up.
So, at least many years to reflect on what she did and to, hopefully, be penitent and remorseful? This is fine.
Never ceases to Surprise me how good investigators are like nothing left of the crime scene eventually and he can still put the pieces together like that it’s astounding
Right!! Those parts could have been blown into the next county.. but they figured it out!
The fact that the man thought $300,000 was enough for a Ferrari more than demonstrated that he was not a high-functioning individual.
He also didn't understand that the covg A on home insurance is to simply rebuild the home. You don't get to keep the money and put it in the bank. If you insure it for more than what it costs to replace, you don't get to pocket the excess, either.
I mean it can vary but you are not wrong. When my husband did a claim for fire damage for items anyway they only give you a percentage, and then when you rebuy the items they give you more when you provide receipts. (For the portion that goes to you for replacing the items inside the home).
They actually have sticker prices. I was surprised to see that.
My thoughts exactly
@@janinebrittanica4314They give the option to either rebuild (more expensive to do) or get market value.
I disagree. She deserves 50 years. She knew what he was going to do. She took her daughter to a babysitter and took her cat to a boarding facility. She also lied and tried to scam further by telling the insurance company she owned a Picasso that way she can get more money from the insurance company. Dr Grande said she indicated she was fine with her husband scamming innocent women for money, as long as he didn't have sex with them. She had zero empathy for those women. Maybe she didn't expect people to die, but she was 100% on board with insurance scamming and claiming she lost a Picasso. She deserves 50 years.
She was fine with him cheating, overweight, older women out of money as long as he didn’t sleep with them??? Yeah, she deserved every BIT of that 50 year sentence.
I agree the woman was a scumbag.
They had two clear opportunities to rethink their decision.
People around here don’t believe her sentence was too harsh. She showed zero remorse. The only tears were for herself. She erased the young couple next door. She was a lying, cheating bar-fly. Disgusting.
As they would say in the Dragon Ball Z Ocean dub, “they were sent the next dimension.” Lol
I agree. She allowed him to carry on with his charades with other women and not once, but three times let him attempt to blow up her house with success on the third try. Then, to try to con the insurance company saying that she owned a Picasso shows me she is just as much a cold criminal as the rest of them. Those poor neighbors that were killed...they had their entire lives ahead of them.
Same here.
That’s a matter of opinion. The problem is going forward suspects in your county are going to be very hesitant to cooperate in exchange for a lighter sentence now. The DA in your county has demonstrated he/she isn’t trustworthy.
@@Ken-fh4jcthat’s what she gets for not getting a better plea bargain. Can’t leave it up to the judge - that’s not even the DAs doing half the time. They can only say Hey she kinda helped so go easy on her. Unless it’s already on paper exactly how long you’re gonna get, you might as well not cooperate.
Also, no sympathy for any criminals so idc what she got.
When this happened, I lived right around the corner. I knew people who lost friends and loved ones. So many of us felt so much anger once we realized this was in intentional act. To know a mother and a nurse put so many at risk over an insurance payday was just sickening. At first, many of us couldn't sleep at nights out of fear our own gas line would blow up. Then when we found out she did it, it made for sleepless nights thinking how easy it was for one person to blow up an entire neighborhood.
These people were so stupid as to apparently think that doubling the replacement cost value on their home would mean that they would pocket the excess.
Sometimes I get lost in your calming voice, that I need to relisten to absorb the full actual content/story. Thanks, Dr. G
Sounds like Peabody from bullwinkle
Lol same ! I thought it was my adhd but I do find it hard to follow sometimes. Just need not be distracted while listening . Full attention type content style
Yep adhd here too. I have been listening for 50 minutes...skipping all over the story, honing in on different bits and putting it all together.
More importantly where is Snowball now? We need speculation on a situation like this.....enjoy your videos, keep up the great work 😊
i would hope the daughter got to live with Dad and got to keep her cat. At least the Dad doesn't have to pay child support anymore.
@@GinyuI hope the daughter didn't get her mother's personality
@@lmiller1413 oh my gosh..no doubt about that!
The cat was not complicit and is enjoying life 😂
@@dawnpence3248 that may be the case but that's just mere speculation in a situation like this....I really hope snowball is thriving in his current situation but that's just mere speculation...
I don't think doc realizes just how common it is for people to be outside in their pajamas nowadays.
This explosion was SO disruptive and damaging to so many people for quite a long time. The neighbors who lost their homes were displaced for years. It was CRAZY. Plenty of lingering PTSD, too.
I always feel so much better about myself and how I turned out after watching Grande videos
For real! Right! Makes my own snafus seem tame.
Even if we ignore their "expenses", $300,000 divided by 50 years in prison is a very part-time job at McDonald's.
I remember this. I was walking my dog and heard a huge boom all the way in Greenwood. Initially I thought perhaps there was a training exercise going on at Atterbury, but then I heard all the sirens and found out otherwise.
Scary for you. 😔 Was your dog scared?
@@Muffy-b1g she was ok, she was never bothered by loud noises. I could walk her at night on the 4th of July and she wouldn’t bat an eye. We feel lucky to have had her in our lives. 😊
My co-worker blew up his house using the fill-the-house-up-with-natural-gas method also. I never heard how the gas was ignited. His body was found in the basement where the natural gas line entered the house. The house was completely destroyed but somehow the nearby houses received only partial damage.
I lived a couple of miles from his house and when it happened we were entertaining my sister and brother-in-law at my home. We heard and felt a large ‘thud’ sound and I thought our young children were jumping off a bed upstairs. I only found out the next day about the explosion.
I liked my co-worker but I also knew that his wife had taken their kids and had left him. I knew this because we lived next door to the wife’s sister and she filled us in on the domestic drama. It came to light that his wife had good reasons to leave him. He was kind at work but I guess he had a hidden side of controlling and angry behaviour within his home. The common cliche of “no one knows what goes on behind closed doors” was true in his case.
Blowing up your house honestly shows his character but at least he thankfully didn't take the kids with him like some jellous controlling partners when the other partner decides to leave but perhaps he didn't get access to them.
I know the type. I found myself in a relationship with a guy who was charming at work and everyone, coworkers and customers alike, thought he was so nice, and in reality he was a monster. Of course he didn’t let me see that side until I was too deep into his vortex. Very true, you don’t always know what’s going on behind closed doors.
@Joe-qm4yv It’s not slander if it’s true, and my sources are a nine out of 10. I don’t name the person nor can anyone trace his or my personal history regarding my story. Go back to law school my friend.
'Natural Gaslight' is wild man, holy crap 😂😭
We have bad news, your house blew up. “Oh no, my Picasso was in there “ 😂😎✌🏻
"Picasso was your cat, right maam?"
Dear Lord, what is wrong with some people?? My family & I had to evacuate from an apt. that we rented from a lifelong family friend. My son called me down where boiler was located. All I could smell was (mercaptan) rotten egg smell all throughout the basement. Told him to take cell phone but not to press any buttons, light switches,etc. & go out of house far away & call FDNY. They came asap. We all evacuated, they shut down gas valve lines. House was ready to explode.😢
Kudos to the fire investigators who determined the cause of the explosion. Many activities act as clues to arson like vacating the house, removing valuables, raising insurance, etc. Good job investigators!
Me, waiting to hear if Snowball was okay: *Oh, thank god.*
I love how Dr. Grande even includes exact details like "she lived with her daughter a cat named 'snowball' 😂😂...and clever deatail about boarding snowball
I hope someone looked after snowball after her owners went to the can
And that picture was the actual cat Snowball!
Exotic dancing is probably an admired skill in prison.
I don't know why, but it still baffles me at the stupidity of some of these criminals. Increasing the insurance, right before the explosion.....Having a van pull up and remove items, right before the explosion.....Boarding their pet, right before the explosion. Them going to a casino, and make no effort to convincingly appear as if they want to be there. Wow.
I would love to see a documentary on how crime scene investigators solve these cases. How did you know the microwave was use as the ignition source when it’s in pieces 5 houses down? How do you know that the valve on the fireplace was missing when the fireplace is in a million pieces so technical it itself is missing as well. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not that I don’t believe them. It’s just hard to imagine them finding all the pieces they need in order to make it all come together in the end to come up with an educated guess as to what happened. I mean I walk into my kids room and shits a mess. I ask who did it and they blame either other. There’s a 50% chance I get it right but yet I can never figure it out 😆😆😆
How was the microwave used as a ignition source? I don't quite understand since the door would have to be closed before it could be turned on.
Please look for Forensic Files. Tubi has them free!
S1 had a pilot who put his wife thru a woodchipper (pre-dates FARGO) and how they caught him.w NO body. E2, I think.
Then, a kid was at a party w her mother and got kidnapped when bringing coats. The kid was wearing a VERY specific outfit from JC Penny (1980s). They found the exact very specific threads from THAT specific outfit! It was AMAZING!
Someone even found THAT catalog!
They also used a mid-90s Honda interior, over the correct 70s one, but I'd only know that b/c I had one.
Finding threads and a catalog was a great show.
FYI, every SEARS catalog is online, verbatim, anyone who likes that stuff. In 75, the Wish Book was OVER 600 pages!
How greedy, and wreckless, and selfish. They killed a neighbor couple, injured 12 other neighbors, and destroyed many homes in their neighborhood. For money. And now they are in prison....how was this worth 2 human beings lives, all the pain and suffering of others, just complete and utter destruction. All the money in the world, would never make me do something so awful to get it. Work and save people. This was just rotten.
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Stupid people can be so scary.
This happened in my neighborhood. It was the most terrifying event I've ever experienced.
RIP those poor victims that was probably asleep next door. These two twits should have taken the hint when the plan did not happen the two weekends prior and given up!!!!
There's a reason why Greed is one of the deadly sins. These people are pathetic
Ty for the comparison to the Oklahoma City bombing. That really put into perspective the magnatude of the house explosion
I've been trying to leave a comment the entire episode but can't figure out what to say lol. Atleast this took my mind off the BS I'm having to accept and ignore so I'll say thank you to Dr. Grande for another excellent video!!! 🙌🏼
Been there, it's nice to have a distraction sometimes from real life BS.
This is exactly what happened in the film Double Jeopardy starring Tommy Lee Jones & Ashley Judd. Bruce Greenwood's character loosened the gas valve on the stove in order to kill Ashley Judd's character's friend after fearing she would reveal to the authorities that he faked his death in order to receive $2 million in life insurance that Ashley Judd had on him.
No, that was the movie double jeopardy where husband faked death. The movie with Morgan Freeman and Ashley judd with the gas valve was Kiss the girl's
@@nancyappel5645 No, the movie with the gas explosion was Double Jeopardy. Bruce Greenwood killed Ashley Judd's character's friend while he & Ashley Judd's son Matty were at a football game & made it look like an accident.
@@kyleboulanger170 Google it and I know these two movies very well, so with that being said, the movie was kiss the girls with Morgan Freeman and Ashley Judd.
I was a child and lived in Indianapolis at the time, felt the explosion. Some kids at school lived in the neighborhood and had their homes damaged. Wild
I think the sentence is fair.
As well as taking two lives, she likely ruined many others. Not everyone can afford the best home insurance and I bet that some of the people whose homes were pulled down lost substantially, perhaps to the point of not being able to buy new homes (unless the state compensated them).
She had SO MUCH time to think and stop it. Not only did she know (and apparently not care) that he was defrauding other people, their scheme had failed twice. Anyone with a conscience would have contacted police.
Shoutout to Snowball
I mean did they not know this would destroy the whole neighborhood. Most people would just their house on fire. This is one of the dumbest most reckless things I have ever seen. And the poor victims.
My condolences to the family and friends of the young couple killed from the explosion. In my opinion, justice was fairly served considering the extreme level of death and destruction caused by all of the criminals convicted and sentenced in this case.
Of course you showed a picture of snowball the cat. 😁😁
Robert Leonard must’ve been the original model for Homer Simpson. Doh! 🍩
I also disagree with her sentence, I think she should’ve gotten life sentence instead of just 50 years !!
She probably died within weeks from chronic dehydration brought about from the habitual crying.
It is a life sentence silly
From exotic dancer to roofer, well he certainly moved up.
literally :D
I am a retired cop and a retired attorney. I want to take a moment to clarify how somebody can be prosecuted for premeditated murder for an accidental death that occurred during the commission of an arson related offense even if the person did not intend to kill anybody. The law varies in the U.S. between states but most states have some version of the “felony murder rule”. Under the felony murder rule, any death caused during the commission of a felony can be prosecuted as premeditated murder. Premeditated murder is generally the highest degree of murder under a state’s laws. A conviction for premeditated murder generally carries the harshest penalties of any type of murder. I will provide a couple of examples.
Example No. 1: Two guys go into a liquor store to commit a robbery. The store clerk experiences extreme emotional distress and has a heart attack during the course of the robbery. The two robbers can be prosecuted for premeditated murder under the felony murder rule even though the clerk died of a heart attack.
Example No. 2: A young couple is experiencing severe financial problems. They decide to rob a bank to get the money they need. During the robbery, a security guard shoots and kills the man. The woman can be charged with the premeditated murder of her partner under the felony murder rule even though it was the security guard who actually shot and killed her partner.
There are three common justifications given for the felony murder rule. The first justification is that the felony murder rule discourages criminals from committing felony offenses. The second justification is that the felony murder rule provides an incentive for criminals to take the maximum possible care for the safety of potential victims if a felony is committed. The third justification is that felons should be held responsible for any deaths they cause whether they intended to cause those deaths or not. After all, the victim is dead regardless of the criminal’s intent.
There are obvious arguments for and against the felony murder rule. I think I heard every variation of those arguments when I was in law school.
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I’m glad snowball was safe.
"I'm about to get murdered by a hitman here.." had me in stitches haha 🤣
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating about what could be happening when a house blows up real good like this.
I think we all conveniently forget that disclaimer. Joy of viewing things on the Internet!
Real good ... A riff on second city TV skit.
What are the odds? I also stored my Picasso in that house.
@@WindTurbineSyndromeyes! Thanks for noticing!
Died from an intestinal haemorrhage in prison ☠️ sounds painful
got out of his sentence too easily I'd say
50 years is 'excessive' for a woman who knew about the plot & did nothing to stop it & didn't care who got harmed? Oh, yeah, sorry, she must have been 'tricked' by the guy's 'charm.' A woman could never have an immoral or criminal impulse on her own... it has to be the guy's fault.
She's as culpable as everyone else in this sad sad affair.
BTW what happened to the child? Did the father get custody? That's the only GOOD I see coming out of this.
Considering than in most developed countries such a sentence would be impossible I guess one could say so, then again in the US sentences seem to be excessive almost always to the rest of the world
Such extreme sentences are the outliers. Usually, people do very little time in the US. Murder is often plea bargained down to manslaughter and the killer is out in about 7 years, or less. This doesn't make us happy. Most of us believe that too lenient sentences don't show reverence for human life, encourage victims to retaliate, and are inadequate to protect the community. @oceanstaiga5928
As an Australian who has a degree in criminal justice, i think that sentencing in the U.S is much better than here in Australia, or the U.K, Canada, and other countries in Europe. @@oceanstaiga5928
@oceanstaiga5928 Indeed, US sentences are excessive, clearly doesn't act as deterrent, people rotting in jail for years seems like cruel and unusual punishment. The US has prison complexes bigger than some European cities. Their prisons are privatised so there is a profit motive. Sick society. Yes, I am from the UK
@@helenmcdonnell2585 I myself have never been to the US let alone any prison there but from the statistics it is unsettling how large of a percentage of their population is behind bars. The discussions of punishments for any crime will probably stay forever in our human society but it doesn’t seem that rehabilitation is working quite well yet like you said
Two people died because of her greed, she got off easy.
Doc, I do believe you mean 3 POUNDS of tnt………..1 ton would destroy that entire block in the picture.
I was living in Indiana at the time and remember this like it was yesterday. Men and women are “equal” but people always want women to do less time for the exact same crimes for some reason. She was involved in a fraudulent scheme that got 2 people killed and caused millions in damages. If you are an adult and allow someone to manipulate you, that is still YOUR DECISION. Stupid games lead to stupid prizes. Her sentence was too light.
The smartest individual in the video (other than Dr. G) is Snowball
my god, i have a hard time with this. people are absolutely crazy. what can we do about them? btw, dr. grande is perfect in his role, i find myself watching the interesting stuff ..
She is serious, don't call her Shirley
I think Mark’s brother was obviously no better, he blamed his brother for getting into trouble, I guess he never heard of the word NO, I’m not willing to help you blow your house up, Montsie was no better, all any of them cared about was getting money & wasting it. 😢
A Picasso? Damn, I only own 2 Monet's. 😂😂
Love how you always present several sides & analysis, along with humor. I agree with your thoughts & her sentence was harsh. Thanks Dr G😊🧡🧡
From exotic dancer to roofer to de-roofer
😂😂😂 Amazing
Omg
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I would add “old whale plower” as well, but who the heck am I?
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I love your cheeky titles Doc❤
I’m just gonna move out to the woods, build a nice lil cabin, and avoid the *uckery.
Don't watch any Mr. Ballen videos if you're home alone in your cabin.
@@Ginyu lol facts
@@tripledair 😆
Pick your feet up, else you may be trippin over a few bodies, out there in the forest…..🦴🫣
Joking….I ❤❤❤the woods/forest.
@@jacinthmcintosh3059 Squatch love the taste of evil.
Just starting the video but bro these titles are wild
Imagine your wife takes your house in divorce then goes full Oppenheimer on that shit to cash in on insurance money. The expression on Snowball the Cats face was telling of being surrounded by clowns.
Child support can be such a scam.
I saw it first hand with my parents. My mother hid her income so she could get more $ from my dad and let’s just say she only spend what she absolutely had to on me. He bought me what I needed almost always, outside of the support money he paid. And my middle and high school tuition. I see it happen with friends of mine today even, the mother won’t work so she gets as much money as possible and gets bills all paid by the new husband - spends barely anything on the child.
It’s a broken system.
Selfish slags.
And those who would actually need child support don't get any. If both have the kids I don't think the other person should get child support though.
It's a sad situation but I can't see what the answer would be. The courts can't facilitate a controlling ex getting more opportunities to control the mother. I mean essentially what you're saying is that an adult women should have been supervised.
I've seen this very often. That's why I and the mother of my kids signed a legal paper in case of a separation. We lived together 20 years without being married. But when she came to live with me, we signed legal paper that said that we kept what we paid for. It's fair and it's not expensive. And if someone refuse to sign it, you know why they are interested in you.
@@GlasPthalocyanineOr having their kids sent to live with their father.
Dr. Grande, you should also voice for Audio Books. Especially for those of us who watch/listen to your videos to fall asleep by; I mean this as a compliment. Your tone is quite relaxing.
Minus the damn LOUD commercials
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Ugh, I know!
p.s. Journey is the best
I agree 100,000%!
Oh I remember this story. Glad you covered it
She's up for parole in late 2036, and her victims' friends and families can drop the ball when those hearings start up. So, at least around 20 years to reflect on what she did and to, hopefully, be penitent and remorseful and maybe earn some mercy? This is fine.
Thank you Dr. Todd Grande. Rarely do I disagree with you, but I'm always grateful for your offerings here.
Dr Grande, thank you for the way you comment on cases like this. I love listening to you. Every thing of the best to you. I am from south africa.😊
Her house was only a few blocks from the elementary school! 😮
After all the people they tried to involve, I’m surprised they did just post an ad on a billboard
We appreciate your insights. Keep working hard.
I am saddened by the young couple getting killed in the gas explosion. 😿😱💥
Her sentence was not too long. She could have called 911 and reported the gas leak after they left. If she had stopped at the Speedway gas station on the corner and called 911, the firestation across the street from the neighborhood could have intervened, Saving Jennifer and Dion. Everyone would have still gone to jail but her deal would have been a fraction of the time. She had so many opportunities to stop this mess. She could have reported the plan before and law enforcement would have been able to help prevent it. She wanted the money and if FAR from a victim!
I was thinking the same thing. If she really did love him, she would have wanted to try to stop him.
Happy St. Patrick's day💚💚💚
They could have just sold the house!
Dr. Grande, it would be awesome if you did a video explaining how a court and doctors can bring someone who is mentally ill to a mental state of competence to stand trial and what those standards are. Something I’ve always wondered about. Thanks!
As a Puerto Rican we don’t claim her.
Incidentally, Montserrat is also the name of a volcanic island that also erupted.
Oh how awful.. residential gas explosions are devastating.
Another awesome video, Dr. Grande. I was hoping you'd do this one!
3/24/24 Gas caught up to Mark. Monsi, got jail time to fit crime! Poor ppl who lost their lives, I hope all the victims have recovered.
@5:52 Unbelievable, no regard for anyone else's safety.