Is Jesus Michael the Archangel?
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From "The Way of the Master" Season 3
Here we see that Lord Jesus identifies Himself as God (Jehovah):
"'I and my Father are one.' Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, 'Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?' The Jews answered him, saying, 'For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and BECAUSE THAT THOU, being a man, MAKEST THYSELF GOD." (John 10:30-33)
The Jews were angered because Jesus called Himself God.
Here in the Old Testament, Jehovah doesn't yet give Moses His name, but calls Himself "I AM":
"And God [Jehovah] said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." (Exodus 3:14)
"Jesus said unto them, 'Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.' Then took they up stones to cast at him..." (John 8:58-59)
Once again, Jesus identifies Himself as God, angering the Jews.
The following is an Old Testament prophecy of Jesus [empasis added]:
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6)
Here Jesus is called "The mighty God" and "The everlasting Father." Remember Jesus' words "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30)
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@jonnyneo53 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist-denying the Father and the Son. 1john 2:22
Dacyn Reynolds What about 1 John4 v 12 to 15?
Christ merely means the anointed one..did God anoint himself?
@Scott E you like that point you will love this one 👉🏿👍🏿
@@yashuafly6342
Christ actually means 'The Chosen One.'
The Name Jesus Christ means,
"He is come, the Chosen One.'
Now, how did Jesus forgive sins?
It is written, "Only God can forgive sins."
So either Jesus was telling lies and sinning himself or he was able to forgive sins which makes him God. Simple, really.
@@jwrobin21 that's what anointed means smart guy..
Michael is an angel. Jesus Christ is God's Son and our Savior. Thank You Jesus!
But Jesus was a angel in Heaven...
God is a spirit
Angels are spirits
You understand??
There are Gods(Angels) and there is God(The Creator - The Source)...
Muslims also do not believe that Jesus was God, cause that's impossible... But they do believe that he was born of a virgin...
Jim Lindsey / Jesus is both: Michael and Son of God. Not the Almighty God who created himself ( John 14:28 and Colossians 1:15-18).
Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.
In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word (Jesus) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God,” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.
In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity.
The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.
Jesus Christ is eternal. He created all things. John 1:1-3 and Col. 1:16
Jesus Christ did not create himself.
Faye Lewis Let me tell you something, *indoctrination.*
Christianity is nothing more than a more fucked up version of judaism. NWO religion
Christianity is the only religion that can be proven to be true.
You were made in the image of God with infinite worth and value. You are a soul. Your soul is eternal. You will spend eternity in heaven or hell.
Would you sell your eye for a million dollars? How much more should you care about your own soul.
What about when Jesus was baptized and a voice from heaven said: "This is my son the beloved, I have approve you" AND when Jesus was tempted for 40 days in the wilderness, and the scriptures say: God cannot be tempted.
They don't want to say that though lol.
Did Jesus fall under temptation? NOOOOOOOO cause he is God in the flesh. Even God the Father called Jesus "GOD" Read Hebrews 1
desmond duckket
One question, is your first name "Joseph"?
btw this question is unrelated to the topic =)
Once again JWs. Show me proof that Jesus is Michael the Archangel. I can show you proof where Jesus claimed to be God.
John 10:30-33, What made the Jews want to kill Jesus? Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God. In Isaiah 44:6 who is the First and the Last? How many First and Last can there be? In Isaiah 43:11 God says there is NO other Savior, but only Him. In Titus 2:13 Jesus is our God and Savior. I forgot that in the NWT they omit that Jesus is God. They could NOT remove that Jesus is our Savior. God says He is our only Savior in the Old Testament. One more thing relating to this topic in Jude 1:9 Michael the Arch Angel could NOT rebuke Satan. Michael said the Lord Rebuke you. Jesus rebukes the Devil in very simple terms Matthew 17:18. And who rebuked the devil??????? JESUS
@114570935804621331565
It's common sense, who the hell was that talking from heaven then? Can you explain this with cited sources?
The translators of the King James Version of 1611 (KJV) were scholars, and they All were very much aware that the Bible does not support a Trinity teaching. But despite this fact, they allowed their theological bias to support the Trinity doctrine a belief which the Jews never supported or taught hundreds of years after the death & resurrection of the Christ.
I'm not a Jehovah's witness and I can read and understand for myself.
1st of all, Jesus actually never proclaimed to be God, but always refered to himself as the son of God. When did Jesus ever say it is okay to worship him. He specifically told his deciples to worship God and not him. Why would God tell his servants to worship God?
Secondly, if I am the son of a king and a great ruler then I become royalty with governmental authority, I will be called your majesty because my father rules as king. I may also have authority over much of my father's kingdom and may be able to execute my judgement in the absence of my father,,, but I still will not have the supreme power of my father.
Third point, nowhere in the Bible is it ever said that Micheal is an angel, it says he is the arc angel, the head of all the angels. And his name means, "who is like God"
If Jehovah's witness really teach those things, which I think can be easily deciphered by reading the book, then maybe they aren't so shallow after all. Maybe I should have answered the door a little more often I guess
Bingo!
You need to re-read key texts. Yahweh said in the old Testament "I am what I am". In the gospels when asked Jesus said to the jews why they were going to stone him, the jews professed because he was a man claiming to be God. Jesus replied, "before Abraham was, I AM".
When Thomas saw the resurected Jesus he fell to his knees "My Lord and my God" , Jesus accepted his words without correction. And lastly,
Read Zachariah 12:10 for the smoking gun..
Who then is Lord of lords? GOD OR christ?
@@Ken-h9r read the next chapter of John. The blind man also says "I am" in John 9:9. It's a common phrase in the culture. Not a claim at being the Almighty God the father.
JEHOVAHS WITNESS DON"T DARE RESPOND
"Behold, I am coming soon!.....I am the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the end....I, Jesus...."(Rev.22:12-16)
it's all symbol language :)
+C 19 What do you mean?
+Tim Spangler he means he C19 is a moron.
EUguitarRULE-your mother is a moron
Sure it's symbolic but symbols have meaning and they stand for something and convey definitions.
All the years I was a j.w.i knew not one thing about what the bible says .when I was coming out of the spell they had on me I threw their translation of the bible aside and read king James from front to back I learn more in those few weeks than since my mom made me go since I was 7
I'm not Jehovah witness but they're right. Jesus is the son of God, The Angel of YHWH (LORD) (in the old testament). Michael means "He who is like God" and it's a title/a name for the one we know as Jesus. The
Jesus is the chief of the armies and the great interceder, The protector of his people (not a mere angel), and Michael is also those things. There is only one Savior, judge and protector.
Michael is a name for the one we call Jesus. He's also the Word of God. Long before we knew him as Jesus he was known as The angel of YHWH, Michael, Emmanuel, etc.
You must unlearn what you have been taught. It's like Jewish who keep saying there is no mention of Jesus in the Hebrew Bible.
No Trinitarian has ever believed that Jesus is the Father. No Trinitarian has ever believed that the Holy Spirit is Jesus.
Father = Son = Holy Spirit
That man who prayed is not God
Christian church has become very familiar with anti-Trinitarian cults over the last 10-15 years. Jehovah's Witnesses who have over 8 million worldwide, Mormons who now have 10 million worldwide, Iglesia Ni christo, the Way International and numerous others are mostly enjoying growth. What has gone very much unnoticed by the church and is also enjoying growth is the Oneness Pentecostal / Apostolic church movement. Which now is the third largest anti-Trinitarian church in the world, having anywhere from 5-6 million or more adherents. Oneness Pentecostals are unique as far as being considered a cult. Much of what they say we could agree upon and they with us. Yet the very nature of God is at the center of this modern day controversy. Unlike other cults that deny the deity of Christ they affirm it, however they pour a new and unique way of defining it. Its not that this is something altogether new but actually something very ancient
All 3 are THE ONE GOD
Oneness likes to think that Father, Son and Spirit are only titles and roles that God the Spirit plays throughout time. If we examine the biblical record their view is "contradictions are us."
The Father is God Gal.1:1, Eph..4:6, Gal.1:1 "Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;" the him is the Son)
Phil.1:2 "Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord"
The Son is God Rom.9:5, Col.2:9, Jn.1:1... "and the word was God."
1 Jn. 5:20..., and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life." Rom. 9:5 Isa. 9:6, Col.2:9, Heb. 1:8
The Holy Spirit is God Gen. 1:2, Acts 5:3-4, 1Cor.2:11, 1 Cor.6:19, 1 Cor3:17 .."Now the Lord (Yahweh) is that Spirit" Isa. 11:2 The Spirit of the Lord. www.letusreason.org/Onenes9.htm
Father X Son X Holy Spirit = 1 God
Kirk I'm so proud you got Jesus in your life.god bless you and your family. I'm ex jw who learned about the true God of the bible.amem thank you Jesus my king and savior
luke 23.34 father forgive them for they know not what they do.he was talking to his father the almighty not himself
Yes trinitarians know that...What's your point Rodney?
Who has an issue with that Rodney?
Jesus is Michael and 1 Thessalonians 4:16 proves it.
@@archangeljesus4369 that’s the perfect text to proof Jesus is the archangel
joevox316,what can you offer JWs that is better ,which church ?
Why do we Christians try to debate the JW's their hearts are hardened by their leaders. I've stop debating them we get no were. When they won't even take wise counsel from prominent theologians, how are we to change their hearts.
They end up correcting most of them and they cant accept truth! They like to hold on to their false teachings
You continue to do this because they don't know the truth! JWs are on their way to hell and don't even think that hell exist! You inform them of Gods truth becuz u love them like Jesus said to do! All Christians should be trying to spread Gods truth. Are u just gonna sit back and watch the WT lead them to hell?! Pray for them and tell them the truth. Even if it seems you're getting no where with them, u have planted a seed that God himself will grow!
CRYSTAL MCKNIGHT
So you know the truth, Crystal? So explain this Hell and how we are all going there to burn. Biblically, I'll wait...
Daniel
I remember reading where Jesus was in hell and he wasn't burning... I'm just curious, that's all..
Hi Daniel, here are a few verses where the bible teaches on hell: Revelation-20:15,21:8,Matthew-10:28, 25:46 and Mark9:43-48, oh and just becuz a group of people don't believe in hell doesn't mean they can't go.
Nobody have seen God but Jesus was seen by everybody. Jesus refer to God as father and God. He didn't speak by his own initiative but the fathers. Even atheist like Christopher Hitchens that dont care at all about any religion knows that Jesus was the son of God. The trinity idea was adopted in the council of Nicea and its a false. Not jesus and not his disciples taught the trinity. In fact you can find trinity of God in other religions like Egypt and Hinduism, polytheistic societies. God is just one God as you expect rationally to be, and he is forever. He create his son 1 col 1:15 I think descrive it. In fact he gets more authority when he fulfill his mission on earth. He himself said "that all authority was GIVEN TO HIM, again GIVEN. How was Jesus call before he was Jesus. Michael the archangel, the principal of God creation. He came to earth and was call Jesus, he has been call many names ro the scriptures, Emmanuel, silo, so on. This not discredite the divinity of Jesus as the king of kings, in fact Jehovah select him to sit on the throne until he destroy the devil and his world. He is the mediator between Jehovah God and men.
Isaiah 44:6 Cross Reference Revelation 1:18
Receive The Holy Spirit and He will show you
That is not right. Indeed Isaiah said that God Jehovah is the only creator but Colossians 1:15 talking about Jesus said "He is the first born of all creation". Note that he has a beginning. Verse 16 by means of him, through him all others things were created. John 20:17 "I am ascending to my father and your father and to my God and your God". How can God have a God? How can God adore himself?. When the devil was talking to Jesus he never recognize him as God himself, he said Luke 4:3 "If you are the son of God, tell this stone to become a loaf of bread". You think that the Devil will talk to Jehovah in that manner?. This not just happen once. There is other case in Luke 4:34 another demon said "I know who you are, the holy one of God". Demon know God, they were once in his presence, . He was never recognize, neither recognize himself ever as God. But he is the king that God has chosen to destroy the works of the devil. Once this is fulfil then 1 Corinthians 15:24 "Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power" verse 27 "For God "subjected all things under his feet" But when he says that all things have been subjected, it is evident that this DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ONE WHO SUBJECTED ALL THINGS TO HIM".
If you really want to know the history of the trinity check out the Council of Nicaea. That should explain to you why believing in the trinity is polytheism and that it has not biblical foundations.
+HighLighterlines Keep believing your watchtower! To understand Who GOD is you must first Believe who Jesus truly said Who He is! ....Receive The Holy Spirit
+Slim Jim lol....I have read and study the bible myself in fact all Jehovah witness are expected to do so. Don't tell me opinions, show me fact.Talk with the bible as I did. What do you have to say about the citation I mention there? where are they pointing? Trinity is was added in the council of Niceae. It is not a biblical teaching
My heart feels great sadness for those who deny CHRIST JESUS as GOD IN THE FLESH who was resurrected from the grave on the 3rd day who is now KING and has been since HIS resurrection..How sad my heart feels for those who deny HIS rightful inheritance as our LORD AND SAVIOUR...OH Dear heavenly FATHER ..through your SON CHRIST JESUS OPEN THEIR EYES BEFORE YOUR GREAT DAY ...
AMEN IF YOU CAN'T SEE THAT OR FEEL THAT THAN YOU CAN'T RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT WHICH IS SADDER
yes..JW's do deny Christ JESUS..The GB is your mediator..and you deny HIM by putting your faith and trust in the WT GB ...you deny HIM in so many ways....But because JW's are still yet blind you need the veil lifted off your eyes
Deborah Mattern YES VERY TRUE
Deborah Mattern please explain john 20:17. jesus is our savior but he is not god. ill be waiting for your reply
"Marco Polo"
If Jesus is the Savior that means you are not listening to your Jehovah. You can check your corrupted NWT bible.
I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior Isaiah 43:11
Why is Jesus your Savior when your Jehovah says NO other savior exists?
Maybe your Jehovah is contradicting Himself. Your God is not all omniscient. How sad. God bless you. Romans 10:9
Jesus created Michael the Archangel.
Jesus is God
"I and the Father are one". End of discussion.
No, joh 17:22 jesus says 2 his apostles i want u 12 2 b 1 as me and my fathet r 1. Now how can 12 people b 1???? They can b 1 in agreement not in person. Likewise jesus is not the same person as his father. At joh 14:28 je says the father is greater than i. At matt.24:36 jesus says regarding the last day, nobody knows neither the son or the angels only the father.
@@ernestdooley6409wrong Jesus knows the day because he is Jehovah
I am not Jehovah witness. Jesus never calls himself God. Prophets prophesied him as the son of God, Demons of legion referenced him as son of God, Jesus himself called himself son of God and ultimately, a voice from heaven said " this is my beloved SON, obey him.
Michael Adejoro JW PLEASE READ!!!
Jesus is one part of God
Scripture proves it.
God is sevenfold spirit.
Gen 1:2 The SPIRIT of God moved across the water. God did not move, his spirit did.
In the beginning God said let US make man in OUR image/genesis 1 26.. in the Hebrew the word used is" elohim" which is plural. He was not speaking to angels.
in Genesis 18- When God visited Abraham there were 3 persons yet he addressed God in the singular. These were not angels because in Genesis 19 there are angels being spoken about.
Isaiah 9 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, The EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace.
isaiah 7 14 emmanuel is translated as GOD WITH US...
JOHN 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
For some reason the jw translation is the only one that changed this verse to "a god" ... look it up on bible hub and compare versions. Every version say " the word was God"
Christ's resurrected body
John 20 24-29 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and MY GOD!
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Mathews 1 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Philippians 2 6Who, being IN THE FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
👇This is a good one... really read all of it👇
Collosians 12 19 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 WHO IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the FIRSTBORN FROM THE DEAD; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
John 10 30I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Titus 2 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Acts 20 28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, WHICH HE HAS PURCHASED WITH HIS OWN BLOOD.
Hebrews 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also HE MADE THE WORLD'S.
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM.
And my favorite..
1 John 5 7. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one!!
WHO BETTER TO SAVE US THAN GOD HIMSELF?!
Not a single scripture supports the false doctrine that archangel Michael is Jesus. You have been lied to just like the Mormons .both your leaders were freemasons and tried to dethrone Jesus. Masons are luciferians. Just ask albert pike and manly hall who admit lucifer is god.. weird? Mormons and jw started by masons? who worship lucifer? Who Deny deity of Jesus ?
Luckily we live in the information age now and many people are leaving these corrupted institutions for the true gospel. Praise God! I hope he guides your heart and shows you the truth then gives you and many others the strength and courage to leave and take your family with you. Show them the truth as well. THERE IS FREEDOM IN CHRIST
Ps I agree with the fact Xmas and easter are absolutely pagan. There are many people waking up this fact as well because of the times we live in and the information we have access to. But remember, the best lies have some truth to them.
there is only one truth.
JESUS SAID I AM THE WAY AND THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. NO ONE COME TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH ME
Michael Adejoro before you comment on something make sure you do research and know more about it. it's NOT a son of seed, where is the mom in heaven. NO SEX, NO MALE OR FEMALE but spirit.
1. In genesis way in the beginning, ( At the beginning was the WORD(JESUS) was with GOD and the WORD was A GOD). Proof Jesus is God
2. Jesus forgive SIN. Who can forgive sin other then GOD himself???? PROOF
3. Isaiah 9:6 PROOF (read it yourself) God Father give glory to God Lamb. I though God say he doesn't share his glory.
4. Jesus second coming he will judge us and give us a account for OUR sins. Who can do that other than GOD. (PROOF)
5. JESUS is NOT the son of GOD. SON in the bible was used because Jesus took the form of a human and came out of a woman womb. However, Jesus was there way before the beginning he was called the WORD. ( the word became FLESH)
JESUS IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD and THE WORD OF GOD. short word GOD ALMIGHTY.
PEACE brother
Jesus does call him self god..i don't know what you are reading but he does several times..he calls him self I am Thomas called him God and he said "Yes " he says my kingdom is not of this world..and he was killed for blasphemy and escaped that charge many other times..the high priest knew exactly what Jesus was calling himself they read the text and when they say blasphamy you best believe Jesus was calling himself God.. You must be a Muslim to say such silly things with no knowledge on the topic..and also God says this is my beloved son in whom I am pleased...he never said obey him?
@@yashuafly6342 You're a liar Jesus never said I am God you're putting words in his mouth
@@archangeljesus4369 o no..a non bible reading Christian called me a liar :0... before Abraham was I am..my Lord my god..yes blessed are you because u have seen..blessed are those who believe without seeing..crucified for blasphemy.. but yea you must be right ..lol..
No Michael is the general of the angel armies in heaven,! By saying Jesus is the Arch angel Michael is putting Jesus in the same power level as Satan who is also a Arch angel! Complete blasphemy!!!
Where in the Bible does it say that Michael is an archangel, the general of the army? Nowhere.
Jesus is the son of God, he is the general of the army of God, then one who will come on the day of the Lord with his army of angels. Michael is not a simple angel (in the modern sense of the word), Michael means "He who is like/similar to God". Michael is clearly just a title for the one we call Jesus. There is no "angel" Michael. Angel or Malak (in the old testament) means messenger and even humans can be called "angels" or "malaki", in some places prophets are called "angels" (malakim) aka messengers of God in the old testament.
Also Jesus is The Angel of YHWH (LORD) who is all over the old testament.
Wtf is blasphemy about it😂🤣😅
Peter’s Confession of Christ
13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” 14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist; and others, [h]Elijah; but still others, [i]Jeremiah, or one of the prophets.” 15 He *said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are [j]the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon [k]Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
matthew 16
Hi again. Just another truth to share. Whether Jesus was Micheal and volunteered to be a ransom sacrifice for our sins or God put Jesus in Mary's womb through His Holy Spirit. Jesus was a created being. God cannot be a created being. 2 Timothy 4:3, 4 tells us, For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. 4 They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.
Jar] So Michael became the LORD JESUS, through the birth canal of Mary so where was Michael, for the 9 month's [because you don't believe a >spirit dwells in a physical body]
And where was Michael for the 33+years, that Jesus dwelt on earth as a Man?
What about when Jesus was buried where was Michael?
This one takes the cake in the [watcTower] of doom, what happen when Jesus was resurrected, was it Michael or the glorified Man Jesus The God-Man, and if it was Michael that was resurrected where is the >body< of Jesus, in other words, who is in heaven the MEDIATOR MAN CHRIST 1 Tim. 2:5 or Michael. (Michael became Jesus, and Jesus became Michael again witch is it, and Michael retained the Name Jesus>>.Looking for answers
I did not say that...pay attention Vasco. I said either Michael was Jesus or Jesus was created in Mary through Gods holy spirit he Jesus was still a crested being. God cannot recreate himself so Jesus can't be God.
Jar McNally So where is Jesus the Man that walked the earth 2000 years ago?
Is He at the right hand of God, or is it Michael under an assumed name Jesus.
And where was Michael when Jesus was walking the on this earth.
Does the Man Jesus exist ! or did Jehovah destroyed His body.
>looking for answers
Jesus is Michaels earthly name. Michael is Jesus's heavenly name. They are both the same. Read Joshua 5:13-15. Who was that soldier? I believe it was Jesus aka Michael. and this was before Jesus was a earthly being.
Jar McNally Same question, where is the body of the Man Jesus, that He said destroy this temple and I will raise it up again in 3 days and the temple was His body.
John 5:19-21, so where is the body.
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JESUS CHRIST IS GOD in the flesh of the man
Jesus is Michael in the Bible although it is only a conclusion but there's a solid scriptural evidence that Jesus is Michael according to the Scriptures in Daniel 12:1 and Matthew 24 that both Michael and Jesus do the same actions and at Daniel 12:2 and in John 5:25 that Michael also have an authority like Jesus to raise the dead but clearly in the Bible that only Jesus was given that kind of power but Michael also can do that so we can conclude that Jesus is Michael ........even the trinitarian scholar's admitted that Jesus is Michael ..........................John A. Lees in The ISBE: states: *The earlier Protestant scholars usually identified Michael with the preincarnate Christ."
Reformer John Calvin said regarding "Michael" in its occurrence at Dan.12:1: " I embrace the opinion of those who refer this to the person of Christ." --Commentaries on Daniel
An Exposition of the Bible produced by 27 different scholars, says of Michael: "It is even itself probable that the Leader of the hosts of light (in Rev. 12:7-9) will be no other than...the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.... Above all, the prophecies of Daniel, in which the name Michael first occurs, may be said to decide the point."
So we can conclude that Michael is the heavenly of Jesus ....................................................................
Kim Kim Also in Daniel 12 v1 how did Michael get the book scrolls. JESUS is the only one worthy to open the book scrolls or even look on it (Reverlations 5 v2 to 5).If you compare John 5 v 27 and 28 to Daniel 12 v 1 and 2 the biggest dumbbell will be able to disearn that both accounts are speaking of the same event and the same person MICHAEL IS JESUS.
Kim Kim
Give me an specific text in the Bible that says Jesus is michael the arcangel. Just one ......dont bother theres none. ......
This video just talks about JW's being wrong about Jesus.. doesn't say at all why Jesus and Michael can't be the same person..
The title of Archangel is quite self-explanatory. The meaning of the Greek word "Arche" is "Chief". The meaning of the word "angel" is "messenger". Are any of you denying that Jesus is God's "Chief messenger" (Archangel)? Since Michael is called the Archangel, that allows only one conclusion.....Jesus is in fact the Chief Messenger (Archangel) Michael. So simple and so easy to understand that it allows no room for error or misunderstanding. The very meaning of the word "Archangel" tells us that Jesus and Michael are one and the same and the fact that the word "Archangel" (Chief Messenger) is not found anywhere in the bible in plural form also tells us that there is ONLY ONE CHIEF MESSENGER (Archangel). That Chief Messenger (Archangel) is Jesus Christ...A.K.A. Michael the Chief Messenger (Michael the Archangel).
There is only ONE Archangel (Chief Messenger). That Archangel is Jesus Christ....also known by his angelic warrior name, Michael. Another very strong point about the meaning of the word "Archangel" which means "Chief Messenger" is to ask yourself this....If Jesus is not Michael, then what message has Michael brought to us that would entitle him to the title of Chief Messenger (Archangel)??? If you would start asking yourselves those kinds of reasoning questions then you might all gain a better understanding of the bible's message.
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That's the fly in the ointment… I have seen a couple of broken theologies channel videos before, and I noted that he and Walter share some of the same views, when I saw Walter, I mean the Trinity delusion channel. One of the toughest things about guys that are X Trinitarian's that kind of come to the understanding that God is not a Trinity, you may notice they usually have a lot of library behind them. And if they've learned a lot on their own, they tend to want to go with their own personal opinions, sometimes, and are very reluctant to change them. And that's really too bad, just like some of the regular Unitarians, they get close to understanding the Bible, but usually at some point they veer off and miss the mark of getting accurate knowledge. It's like they hit a sticking point.
I started to chime in. When you are giving your illustration about the hammer and the now, and the building process. I grasped said, somehow I think he missed the point, though I thought your point was very direct.
I have thought about addressing this very topic myself, here's a thought, you mentioned that you were a framer. I always talk to their when they start talking about Jesus, not being a part of the creation. I use of the seek to overcome that, by use of the illustration of the architect, and the people who build the building. The architect gets credit for creating the building, but it's the workers the framers cement layers and all the trades people who actually build the building, but yet the architect gets the credit. As the creator of the building.
I look at Jehovah as the architect of all reality. After all, all reality stems from his thought process. He came up with the concept for all that is. As a matter fact, the fact that Jesus is referred to as the master worker, is more than aptly suited for just such an illustration.
Jehovah= architect of= creator of all reality.= Origin of concept of reality.=creator of blueprint and design details.
Jesus= master worker= craftsman= first creation of architect= builder of rest of reality. The person following the instructions of the architect to produce the physical creation of the concept of the architect.= Creator
Jesus "IS" Michael the archangel... if you'd like to know the facts, please read all of this, and lean not on your own understanding. Let the scriptures explain and the Holy Spirit guide.
First let's define the name Michael. it means "one who is like God".
Second, the word angel comes from the Greek word angelos, which simply means messenger (doesn't always mean a being with wings). Archangel means the highest messenger. there is none higher than Jesus Christ. Jesus is the word (our message) that became flesh to continue His message here on earth.
when reading Daniel chapter 3 and the story of the 3 Hebrew boys that were thrown in the fiery furnace, there is a 4th image seen in the fire that we know to be Jesus Himself.
He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
Daniel 3:25 KJV
and when we read further, to verse 28...
Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, who hath sent his ""ANGEL"", and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.
Daniel 3:28 KJV
as we see here, the bible also calls Jesus and Angel. now let's look at the story of Jacob, when he wrestled with the angel.
And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
Genesis 32:26 KJV
And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
Genesis 32:29 KJV
regular angels, as we know in the bible, are messengers and also servants of God as we are. but they have no power or authority to bless anyone, only Jesus can. For example, when John sees the angel in revelation...
And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
Revelation 22:8-9 KJV
this was a regular angel and he even said not to worship him, worship God only, for the angel is also a servant of God. back to Jacob...
And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
Genesis 32:30 KJV
Jacob only wrestled with one man and here Jacob tells us he saw God face to face there, so who do we think this man was ? we have to think a little deeper brothers and sisters.
The Lord hath also a controversy with Judah, and will punish Jacob according to his ways; according to his doings will he recompense him. Yea, he had power over the angel, and prevailed: he wept, and made supplication unto him: he found him in Beth-el, and there he spake with us;
Hosea 12:2, 4 KJV
here the bible tells us that Jacob struggled with an angel that night and prevailed (he got the blessing he was fighting for)
now consider this
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Daniel 12:1 KJV
here we must know first what it means to stand....
And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia. And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.
Daniel 11:2-3 KJV
from these verses we can see to stand means to rule, in which no angel will have the power to do. only Jesus can rule. Satan tried to rule and look what happened to him. also no angel can be a prince, there is only one prince who can stand (and rule) for the children of God, which is the son of God, Jesus.
last point I will make is 1 Thessalonians 4...
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV
i don't think it's hard to see here that this verse clearly says the Lord Himself well descend with a shout and the voice of the archangel... "THE LORD HIMSELF WILL"... because He "IS" Michael the archangel.
I hope this helps, remember, lean not on your own understanding. let the Spirit guide and open your hearts to scripture.
are you SDA by chance?
+liber tarian... I am.
You do realize that the argument you are making is not the same as the one in the vid. ( I think) jw believe Jesus was a created being. Don't sad believe he is God?
I didn't comment to argue, I just wanted to point out that you are not agreeing with the position of jw's.
+liber tarian... I put up this comment due to a conversation I had under another comment for this video. also just for anyone who was interested in the topic. and yes, I believe Jesus is God and realize a lot of jews still don't believe that.
The ONLY TRUE GOD JEHOVAH'S VOICE WAS HEARD FROM HEAVEN 3 TIMES IN THE GOSPELS ACKNOWLEDGING JESUS AS HIS SON AND REPRESENTATIVE OF HIS NAME.
(1) Matthew 3:17 Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”
(2)Matthew 17:5 While he was still speaking, look! a bright cloud overshadowed them, and look! a VOICE out of the cloud said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him
(3) John 12:
28 Father, glorify your name.” Then a VOICE came out of heaven: “I have glorified it and will glorify it again.”
Whose NAME IS JESUS GLORIFYING if he was equal to God?
Mark 12: 29 Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah OUR GOD is ONE Jehovah,
JESUS DESCRIBES God as OUR GOD and he is ONE JEHOVAH. which makes Jesus NOT his equal.
he said he was sent by this ONE GOD JEHOVAH.
John 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the ONLY TRUE God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
JESUS FURTHER EXPLAINED THAT EVERYTHING HE DOES IS ACCORDING TO HOW HE WAS INSTRUCTED BY HIS SUPERIOR. SO HOW DOES THAT MAKE HIM JEHOVAH GOD EQUAL.
JOHN 5:30
I CANNOT do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, NOT MY OWN WILL, but the WILL of HIM who SENT me.
SOME SAY CHRIST WAS A CREATOR OR CO-CREATOR OF THE EARTH using COLOSSIANS 1:15,16
Jesus said he was NEVER Creator or Co-Creator but HE HUMBLY said his Father JEHOVAH CREATED ALL THINGS from the Beginning.
Matthew 19:4
4 In reply JESUS said: “Have you not read that THE ONE WHO CREATED THEM from the beginning made them male and female.
SOME TEACH JESUS IS GOD HIMSELF THAT DIED FOR ALL MANKIND. BUT the bible says he is NOT GOD but was SENT by God, OUT OF LOVE 2 DIE for us.
JOHN 3:16 “For GOD loved the world so much that HE GAVE his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
JEHOVAH(YHWH) GOD WHO GAVE HIS SON FOR US IS THE ONE TRUE GOD.
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+Rugo27 Did you mention John 5?
but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
+Rugo27 Why did the NWT "translation" add the word "other" 4 times in two verse (Col. 1:16-17)? Why did the NWT added the word "Son" in Acts 20:28, even the the Kingdom Interlinear does not contain the word "Son" (Greek: "uios") in that verse? Can't you see that the Watch Tower society changes the Bible to fit its own false teachings? How is it that all created things fall down to the ground and worship the Lamb (Jesus) in Rev. 5? Isn't that idolatry? How can all things be made *FOR* Michael the archangel, a created being? (Col 1:16) Shouldn't all things be made for God Himself, and not for a created being?
+Daniel Sarmas
Please I don't do 1000 question. Rome was not built in one day. Choose the most pertinent topic you find confusing from the bible then we can have a friendly conversation.
+Daniel Sarmas
Reference Bible Col 1:16 because by means of him all [OTHER] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [OTHER] things have been created through him and for him.
DID JW CHANGE THE WORD OTHER in this BIBLE TOO?
+Daniel Sarmas
Reference Bible Ac 20:28 Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed YOUoverseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own [Son].
I can see the word SON here too and it is NOT a JW bible.
There's many comments regarding Jesus not being God because he was tempted, he was man, etc. People need to remember Christ was 100 human 100 God he laid it all aside and took the form of a servant. He is deity regardless, Jesus is one with The Father. One day we will see him coming from the clouds of Heaven seated at the right hand of God, a co-occupant with God on the throne. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit yet One. Amen
magdalena salas
Except that GOD/YHWH is ONE person, not three.
*"HE"* is the father of Jesus Christ.
"GOD" is Jesus' father.
Blessings
Can you cite any references to this understanding other than you're opinion?
How can Jesus be sitting next to the Father and be the Father also. That makes no sense at all. The trinity is the teachings od Babylon the great. Oh well, they won't learn!
Jorge Ortiz
The problem is, I believe, that people are not truly understanding exactly *WHO* Jesus' "father" *is.*
"The son of God" becomes a title of sorts, for Jesus, but people aren't seeing and understanding that it actually means, that Jesus is The son *OF* The one God.
"GOD" *is* "The father".
"The father" *is* "GOD".
OurHumbleLife - It is really sad to see the words of Yah in action everywhere. Not too many people know that he is even there at all. And they don't even try. It's heart breaking to say the least. With all his might He has kept this world going and this is the thanks we give Him. Sorry Yahweh, I at least know you are there and have always been. In the name of your precious Son, Jesus Christ.
I am not a JWS, but I am amazed to see so much contempt towards a group that have their beliefs and are looking for God in a way that as far as the scriptures state, it's almost 100%. I wish I could say the same thing about these clowns on this video. I have spoken to some JWS and while I don't believe in ANY religion on this earth so far, I must be honest and say that they are the ones that come closest to be a match of Jesus teaching, while the rest of the (if they could be called christians, which they are NOT) so called "christians" are pathetically making fun of them instead of reading and learning scriptures... LIKE JWS! But oh no, these prefer to go on about it like the pharisees of Jesus times. Oh God all mighty, don't take these seriously in their lack of insight and little knowledge of your word.
Jorge Ortiz
I'm not a JW either, nor have I ever been, but I agree pretty much with what you've said.
Jorge Ortiz also the Iglesia Ni Cristo is much closer than JWs. Check out www.incmedia.org. They differ from mainstream also. BIG difference is they do not use a bible written specifically to fit their doctrine.
About the JWs:
The New World Translation is written SPECIFICALLY to conform with Watchtower doctrine. It has been revised at least 7 times since 1950.
I've been doing a lot of examination of JW. One is they don't allow their members to go to college. The doctrine of blood transfusion is wrong because Lev 17:11-14 pertains to eating blood. They shun members who are expelled.
The other thing is they believe Michael the Archangel became Jesus. Their website "suggests" it.
They don't believe in the Lake of Fire and the 2nd death in Rev 20:10-15.
Their members are forbidden to disagree with their elders and cannot examine other doctrine.
They also have failed end of the world prophecies (1874, 1914, 1925, 1975).
Also, a couple multimillion dollar lawsuits have been won against Watchtower for sexual abuse cases (Candace Conti for $28M and one in San Diego for $13.5M).
INC;
The INC shares the same belief as the JW about the Father being true God (John 17:1-3, Matt 27:46, John 20:17). Jesus is the Son of God (John 20:31), man in nature (John 8:40, 1 Tim 2:5, Luke 24:36-39) but still divine (John 1 Moffatt "the Word was divine"; the other say "the Word was God" but it must be used as an adjective).
INC believes one must be in Christ to be saved (John 10:9, John 14:6), part of the body (Eph 5:23). Salvation is in no other name (Acts 4:10-12). The name of the Church is contained in Acts 20:28 (Lamsa - to feed the Church of Christ which he has purchased with his blood; other versions call it "church of God").
INC doesn't celebrate Dec 25 as Jesus' birth (that date is Sol Invictus, Festival of the Sun God - even in Wikipedia) nor Halloween.
Iglesia Ni Cristo is Church of Christ in Tagalog. Lastly, they do not isolate themselves from society like JW do; members vote, join the military, go to college and participate in many activities outside Church. They are denounced as a cult by Mainstream (particularly Filipino Catholics) because they don't accept the Trinity doctrine. They lead what would be considered a more Christian lifestyle. They are very devout in attendance of worship service (Hebrews 10:25 backs it up).
Jorge Ortiz OurHumbleLife I saw a video of a Fundamentalist couple getting physically violent towards their grandson when he came out as gay. That is one reason I am so vehemently opposed to the JW doctrine of shunning by family members when one gets expelled. Both these examples are causes of suicides among GLB and former JW, respectively. I also point out that the reason my wife is alive is because a brother in faith donated blood. Most JWs are decent people, don't get me wrong. There have been quite a few former JW that are speaking out lately.
Ludwig vonGrein
GOD is LOVE, say the scriptures, and Jesus told and taught us to love all.
We cannot show GOD's love by rejecting people.
We must not partake of or be included directly in the sin of others, but they must witness GOD's love in us.
Like I stated. I am not of any religion but I despise Christianity because they are so much, NOT like CHRIST, and resemble satan more than satanists. I just read a comment here of somebody that said that she was a Christian, while telling other that it didn't matter since they will all burn in hell. She was saying it in a way that actually sounded as if she wanted them to actually burn in a hell for eternity. Now, you guys tell me if that's not sick. I actually see CHRIST more in atheist and gays than in actual "Christians". Well, I do know that they aren't, even if they think they are. They make me sick!
You people listen to this guy like he's the authority on scriptures. HE'S NOT. I have found many inconsistencies his talks.
+Jar McNally Don't SAY it....PROVE it.
+Jar McNally Give it a go pal. Don't SAY it. PROVE it.
+Jar McNally "Nobody has seen God, only He who DESCENDED from heaven...." Who DESCENDED from heaven ? "I came down from heaven." Jesus spoke these words. So, who exactly, DESCENDED from heaven?
+itakeudown Michael of course. read Habakkuk 1:12. It tells us God doesn't die. Jesus died.
+Jar McNally How do you get that Jesus is ABADDON?
If Jesus is God, why did he die? God is invisible and immortal (cannot die)! Let us stick to what the Holy Scriptures (especially the OT) has clearly stated and be safe. Let's not give our own faulty human interpretation of what is clearly stated in the Scriptures! Even Christ himself did not claim to be God and equal to Yahuah, the Heavenly Father. What
he declared was that he is the Son of God and even PRAYED to Yahuah Elohim.
And mind you, the true name of the Messiah is not Jesus, but Yahusha! Let's do some honest to goodness research to really know the TRUTH.
Enough with the lies!
+YesUCan YahwehNissi But he can't be BOTH "man" and "Son of man"....because he CANT" be BOTH "Son of God" and God at the saem time according to you.
You will bend the knee to Jesus also.
+Tim Spangler I bend my knees to YAHUSHA the true Messiah. The name Jesus is of pagan origin. Do some honest to goodness research and you'll find the TRUTH. And am NOT IDIOTIC. I only follow YAHUAH Elohim's and his Son YAHUSHA Messiah's teachings and not the TWISTED AND ADULTERATED doctrines of humans (2 Peter ua-cam.com/video/w0nWbUDEzwQ/v-deo.htmlm15s-17).
Let us begin the RESTORATION of the true names of the heavenly Father, YAHUAH (YHWH), and his Son, YAHUSHA (Yahuah Saves through the Son).
My name is George and I will always be George and not Giorgio! So with your true name, it cannot just be changed to any other name!
+YesUCan YahwehNissi I call God "Daddy" (Abba) He says I can come BOLDLY before his throne. I love my Daddy!!
+Tim Spangler Then tell me the name of your Abba. Daddy or Abba are just titles. these are not names. And in passage upon passages, the Elohim has always said: 'call my name, honor my name, glorify my name, praise my name.' It is very clear that he has made known his name and the name of his Son. The original Ancient Paleo Hebrew manuscripts plainly revealed their true names: YAHUAH is the Almighty Father's name and the Messiah's name is YAHUSHA (Yahuah Saves through his Son).
The true name of the Elohim was concealed by using 'LORD' in capital letters instead of the original YHWH/YHUH. The name YAHUSHA was transliterated in Greek as iesous (hail zeus) then transliterated in Latin, and finally translated in English as 'Jesus.' Note that the letter J came about only about 600 years ago! Therefore, the name of the Messiah cannot possibly be 'Jesus.'
My name is George and wherever I may be, it will remain as it is. If I travel to any place in the world, that name will always be the one written in my passport and visa.
Let's go back to the basics by following what is originally written in the Holy Scriptures (OT) and in the New Testament, particularly the direct teachings of Yahuah Elohim and his Son Yahusha Messiah. Let us begin the restoration and start using the true names of the Elohim and the Messiah that we may have true anointing and great blessings.
HalleluYAH! Praise YAHuah through his Son YAHusha Messiah!
+YesUCan YahwehNissi As I clearly said....a name doesnt bring with it RELATIONSHIP. Concentrating on NAME at the expense of relationship is folly. Worse is THINKING that concentrating on NAME brings relationship.
Would you like a relationship with God?
• The scriptures make very clear distinctions between Jehovah, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, showing that they are not all equal, or some kind of trinity.
"And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven." - Luke 12:10
• Jehovah God can never be tempted, but Jesus was:
"When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone." - James 1:13
"When the devil had finished tempting Jesus, he left him until the next opportunity came." - Luke 4:13
"For because he himself (Jesus) has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted. - Hebrews 2:18
• Jehovah God had no beginning, but Jesus had a beginning:
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation." - Col 1:15
• Jesus was not equal to his Father when he was a man on earth, or after he returned to Heaven in glory. All authority Christ has, was granted him by his Father, Jehovah:
"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. - John 14:28
"So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise." - John 5:19
"Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world." - John 17:24
"Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done."
- Luke 22:42
"And when everything is subject to Christ, then the Son Himself will also be subject to the One who subjected everything to Him, so that God may be all in all." -1 Corinthians 15:28
Not to mention, how could Almighty God have died for mankind's sins, if he is from everlasting to everlasting? If Jesus was part of a trinity, and God, and the Holy Spirit were still alive up in Heaven, then Christ Jesus never actually died for mankind, but only gave a part of himself for man's sins. Wouldn't that make his sacrifice invalid if part of him was still living? The word trinity is not mentioned in the scriptures, and the trinity doctrine is in direct conflict with what the scriptures tell us about Jehovah, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
I believe I'm Michael its my second name
Lol
+Rugo27 The Scholastic "integrity" of the JW Yellow book:
Just on pp.88 through 90
"One British historian wrote..."(p.88)
"Researchers say...."(p.89)
"According to the U.S. Geological Survey...."(p.89)
"One source states...."(p.90)
"One report says...."(p.90)
To reinforce their viewpoint and even doctrine, the JWS will VERY often "cite" something like the "U.S Geological Survey" but give a completely incomplete citation, so that you can't look it up. This happens a LOT. In the case of the "Should you believe in the Trinity" booklet, there were so many false citations they no longer want the booklets distributed.
If you look at the other "citations" above, they are 100% nameless and faceless. They dont even give a partial citation. Are they real quotes? Who knows?
+Tim Spangler you are a little punk who needs to get his ass kicked
+LordGandor3 Gee...isn't that cute? The JW shows his true spirit.
LordGandor3
clothe your heart with love. the wicked has a way of making true servants of Jehovah and christ stumble. preach out of pity not rage. because their goal is to get you to sin
Jesus is not God..MICHAEL
(Mi′cha·el) [Who Is Like God?].
1. The only holy angel other than Gabriel named in the Bible, and the only one called “archangel.” (Jude 9) The first occurrence of the name is in the tenth chapter of Daniel, where Michael is described as “one of the foremost princes”; he came to the aid of a lesser angel who was opposed by “the prince of the royal realm of Persia.” Michael was called “the prince of [Daniel’s] people,” “the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel’s] people.” (Da 10:13, 20, 21; 12:1) This points to Michael as the angel who led the Israelites through the wilderness. (Ex 23:20, 21, 23; 32:34; 33:2) Lending support to this conclusion is the fact that “Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body.”-Jude 9.
Scriptural evidence indicates that the name Michael applied to God’s Son before he left heaven to become Jesus Christ and also after his return. Michael is the only one said to be “the archangel,” meaning “chief angel,” or “principal angel.” The term occurs in the Bible only in the singular. This seems to imply that there is but one whom God has designated chief, or head, of the angelic host. At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 the voice of the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ is described as being that of an archangel, suggesting that he is, in fact, himself the archangel. This text depicts him as descending from heaven with “a commanding call.” It is only logical, therefore, that the voice expressing this commanding call be described by a word that would not diminish or detract from the great authority that Christ Jesus now has as King of kings and Lord of lords. (Mt 28:18; Re 17:14) If the designation “archangel” applied, not to Jesus Christ, but to other angels, then the reference to “an archangel’s voice” would not be appropriate. In that case it would be describing a voice of lesser authority than that of the Son of God.
There are also other correspondencies establishing that Michael is actually the Son of God. Daniel, after making the first reference to Michael (Da 10:13), recorded a prophecy reaching down to “the time of the end” (Da 11:40) and then stated: “And during that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel’s] people.” (Da 12:1) Michael’s ‘standing up’ was to be associated with “a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time.” (Da 12:1) In Daniel’s prophecy, ‘standing up’ frequently refers to the action of a king, either taking up his royal power or acting effectively in his capacity as king. (Da 11:2-4, 7, 16b, 20, 21) This supports the conclusion that Michael is Jesus Christ, since Jesus is Jehovah’s appointed King, commissioned to destroy all the nations at Har-Magedon.-Re 11:15; 16:14-16.
The book of Revelation (12:7, 10, 12) specifically mentions Michael in connection with the establishment of God’s Kingdom and links this event with trouble for the earth: “And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled. And I heard a loud voice in heaven say: ‘Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down . . . On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea.’” Jesus Christ is later depicted as leading the heavenly armies in war against the nations of the earth. (Re 19:11-16) This would mean a period of distress for them, which would logically be included in the “time of distress” that is associated with Michael’s standing up. (Da 12:1) Since the Son of God is to fight the nations, it is only reasonable that he was the one who with his angels earlier battled against the superhuman dragon, Satan the Devil, and his angels.
In his prehuman existence Jesus was called “the Word.” (Joh 1:1) He also had the personal name Michael. By retaining the name Jesus after his resurrection (Ac 9:5), “the Word” shows that he is identical with the Son of God on earth. His resuming his heavenly name Michael and his title (or name) “The Word of God” (Re 19:13) ties him in with his prehuman existence. The very name Michael, asking as it does, “Who Is Like God?” points to the fact that Jehovah God is without like, or equal, and that Michael his archangel is his great Champion or Vindicator.
"One" of Jehovas Princes? that means that there is more princes....
But Only one Son who is a directly descendant from Jehova!
There are other legends about gods who got sons througout the history, like Hercules the Son of Zeus etc... Hercules was the directly spawned Son of Zeus
Patrik Sundler
I don't disagree on that..Hercules the Son of Zeus etc"..are actually based on jehovah or yhwh and his sone..though many people who dont research may find it crazy..Hercules the Son of Zeus were real..they where the nephilium..
Hmm.... hehe, but didn't Zeus engage in sexual intercourse in order to spawn his son Hercules?
John 17-23 "I pray for this that the world may realize that YOU sent me, and that YOU loved them as you loved me."
Jesus is a created angel
@@archangeljesus4369 Indeed, the head angel in fact Hebrews 1 : 6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world He says "Let all God's angel;s worship him".
@@denissutherland3653 Angels showed him homage and respect in Hebrews 1:6 not worship.
Jesus is Michael amen
@@archangeljesus4369 Worship in this context means to report to in total obedience.
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6) (emphasis added)
"For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6
Additionally, a large problem for many is that they do not have the proper understanding of what the literal definition of "angel" in the Bible is. Both the Hebrew mal·´akh´ and the Greek ag´ge·los literally mean “messenger.” When spirit messengers are indicated, the words are translated “angels,” but if the reference definitely is to humans, the rendering is “messengers.” (Gen. 16:7; 32:3; Jas. 2:25; Rev. 22:8) Whether human or angelic messengers are meant can be determined by the context.
Considering this, when Jesus was on earth, he was God's foremost messenger. He was called the "Word" because he was God's Spokesman:
“I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak. . . . Therefore the things I speak, just as the Father has told me them, so I speak them.” (John 12:49, 50; 14:10; 7:16, 17)
Jehovah Witnesses Weren't the First (nor only) Ones to Reason That Jesus is Michael the Archangel
3:33 What do they do with IC2.11 or even 2Th5.23 which clearly show humen having a spirit?
(1 Corinthians 2:11) For who among men knows the things of a man except the man’s spirit within him? So, too, no one has come to know the things of God except the spirit of God.
We try to understand others as much as possible. But this verse implies that we each have a uniqueness understood only by ourself and our Creator.
The word spirit means many things. One meaning is our thoughts and motivations and actions.
Galatians 6:18 The undeserved kindness of our Lord Jesus Christ be with THE SPIRIT YOU SHOW, brothers.
We do say: 'He has a generous spirit."
Disregarding everything that the JW's teach.
"The earlier Protestant scholars usually identified Michael with the pre-incarnate Christ, finding support for their view, not only in the juxtaposition of the 'child' and the archangel in Rev 12, but also in the attributes ascribed to him in D[a]n[iel]l ." -- John A. Lees, The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, 1930, Vol. 3, page 2048.
Concerning Michael as recorded in Daniel 12:1 John Calvin states:
"The twelfth chapter commenced, as we stated in yesterday's Lecture, with the angel's prediction as to the future state of the Church after the manifestation of Christ It was to be subject to many miseries, and hence this passage would soothe the sorrow of Daniel, and of all the pious, as he still promises safety to the Church through the help of God. Daniel therefore represented Michael as the guardian of the Church, and God had enjoined this duty upon Christ, as we learn from the 10th chapter of John, (John 10:28, 29.) As we stated yesterday, Michael may mean an angel; but I embrace the opinion of those who refer this to the person of Christ, because it suits the subject best to represent him as standing forward for the defense of his elect people." -- J. Calvin, COMMENTARIES ON THE BOOK OF THE PROPHET DANIEL, trans. T. Myers (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1979), vol. 2 p. 369.
www.ccel.org/c/calvin/comment3/comm_vol25/htm/vii.htm
Also, "Daniel therefore represented Michael as the guardian of the Church, and God had enjoined this duty upon Christ, as we learn from the 10th chapter of John, (John 10:28, 29.) As we stated yesterday, Michael may mean an angel; but I embrace the opinion of those who refer this to the person of Christ, because it suits the subject best to represent him as standing forward for the defense of his elect people."
Theodore Beza:
Daniel 10:13- Even though God could by one angel destroy all the world, yet to assure his children of his love he sends forth double power, even Michael, that is, Christ Jesus the head of angels.
bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/GenevaStudyBible/gen.cgi?book=da&chapter=010.
Daniel 12:1 - The angel here notes two things: first that the Church will be in great affliction and trouble at Christ's coming, and next that God will send his angel to deliver it, whom he here calls Michael, meaning Christ, who is proclaimed by the preaching of the Gospel.
bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/GenevaStudyBible/gen.cgi?book=da&chapter=012
John Wesley:
Daniel 10:13 Withstood me - God suffered the wicked counsels of Cambyses to take place awhile; but Daniel by his prayers, and the angel by his power, overcame him at last: and this very thing laid a foundation of the ruin of the Persian monarchies. Michael - Michael here is commonly supposed to mean Christ. I remained - To counter - work their designs against the people of God.
Daniel 10:21 - Michael - Christ alone is the protector of his church, when all the princes of the earth desert or oppose it.
bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/WesleysExplanatoryNotes/wes.cgi?book=da&chapter=010.
Daniel 12:1 - For the children - The meaning seems to be, as after the death of Antiochus the Jews had some deliverance, so there will be yet a greater deliverance to the people of God, when Michael your prince, the Messiah shall appear for your salvation.
bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/WesleysExplanatoryNotes/wes.cgi?book=da&chapter=012
Adam Clarke:
But lo, Michael
Daniel 10:13 - Gabriel, who speaks, did not leave Cyrus till Michael came to take his place. Michael, he who is like God, sometimes appears to signify the Messiah, at other times the highest or chief archangel. Indeed there is no archangel mentioned in the whole Scripture but this one. See Jude 1:9; Revelation 12:7.
www.studylight.org/com/acc/view.cgi?book=da&chapter=10&verse=13#Da10_13
Jonathan Edwards:
When Lucifer rebelled and set up himself as a head in opposition to God and Christ, and set himself as a head in opposition to God and Christ, and drew away a great number of angels, the Son of God, manifested himself as an opposite head, and appeared graciously to dissuade and restrain by his grace the elect angels from hearkening to Lucifer’s temptation, so that they were upheld and preserved eternal destruction at this time of great danger by the free and sovereign distinguishing grace of Christ. Herein Christ was the Saviour of the elect angels, for thought he did not save them as he did elect men from the ruin they had already deserved, and were condemned to, and the miserable, state they were already in, yet he saved them from eternal destruction they were in great danger of, and otherwise would have fallen into with the other angels. The elect angels joined with him, the glorious Michael, as their captain, while the other angels hearkened to Lucifer and joined him, and then was that literally true that fulfilled afterwards figuratively. Rev xii.“When there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was there place found any more heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world; he was case out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” (The Works of Jonathan Edwards, Vol. 2, Banner of Truth, 1979 reprint, p. 606.)
John Gill:
Daniel 10:13 - but, lo, Michael one of the chief Princes, came to help me; called in the New Testament an Archangel, the Prince of angels, the Head of all principality and power; and is no other than Christ the Son of God, an uncreated Angel; who is "one", or "the first of the chief Princes" {x}, superior to angels, in nature, name, and office.
www.studylight.org/com/geb/view.cgi?book=da&chapter=10&verse=13
Daniel 10:21 - and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your Prince; Christ the Prince of the kings of the earth, he was the Prince, Protector, and Guardian of the people of the Jews; he is the Angel that went before them in the wilderness, and guarded them in it, and guided them into the land of Canaan
www.studylight.org/com/geb/view.cgi?book=da&chapter=010&verse=021
Daniel 12:1 - The Archangel, who has all the angels of heaven under him, and at his command, the Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ; who is as God
www.studylight.org/com/geb/view.cgi?book=da&chapter=012&verse=001
Another prophecy in Dan. xii. 1, 2, 3. represents the second and personal coming of Christ; for he is meant by Michael, who is as God, as his name signifies, equal to him; the great prince, the prince of the kings of the earth, and the head of all principalities and powers.(A Complete Body of Practical and Doctrinal Divinity, The Baptist Standard Bearer, 1987 reprint, p. 617.)
"... for as for Michael, the Archangel. he seems to be no other than Christ." A Complete Body of Practical and Doctrinal Divinity, Abridged by William Staughton (1810) books.google.com/books?id=J9oOAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22A+Complete+Body+of+Practical+and+Doctrinal+Divinity%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Yk0ZUregK6b62gW6uoHoDA&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22A%20Complete%20Body%20of%20Practical%20and%20Doctrinal%20Divinity%22&f=false, p. 182
Matthew Henry:
Daniel 12:1 - The angel had told Daniel what a firm friend Michael was to the church, ch. 10:21. He all along showed this friendship in the upper world; the angels knew it; but now Michael shall stand up in his providence, and work deliverance for the Jews, when he sees that their power is gone, Deu. 32:3. 6. Christ is that great prince, for he is the prince of the kings of the earth, Rev. 1:5.
bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/MatthewHenryComplete/mhc-com.cgi?book=da&chapter=012
"There seems good reason for regarding Michael as the Messiah. Such was the opinion of the best among the ancient Jews.... With this all the Bible representations of Michael agree. He appears as the Great Prince who standeth for Israel (Dan. xii. I), and he is called "the Prince of Israel" (Dan. x. 21). -- William L. Alexander, ed., A CYCLOPEDIA OF BIBLICAL LITERATURE, originally edited by John Kitto, 3d ed. (Edinburgh: A & C Black, 1886). vol. 3, p. 158.
"This being 'a war in the heaven,' and waged by Michael, who is Christ (whose warfare is not like that of earthly kings), and by His messengers, is an intellectual and polemical warfare."-J. D. Glasgow, Commentary on the Apocalypse (1872). "We have shown elsewhere that the Archangel Michael is an image of Christ victoriously combatant. Christ is an Archangel in His quality of judge; and He appears as judge, not only at the end of the world, but also in the preservation of the purity of His Church."-Lange's Commentary (1874), on Rev. 12:1-12, Exegetical and Critical Synoptic View, p. 238.
"'Michael and his angels' on one side, and 'the dragon and his angels' on the other. Christ, the great angel of the covenant, and his faithful followers; and Satan and all his instruments. This latter party would be much superior in number and outward strength to the other; but the strength of the church lies in having the Lord Jesus for the Captain of their salvation."-Matthew Henry's Commentary.
"The idea of the heavenly being who thus comes to view as a feature in old apocalyptic tradition is the source of the conception of the heavenly Messiah-the Son of Man. . . . We have already seen that the heavenly being 'like unto a son of man' of Dan. 7 was probably identified by the author . . . with Israel's angel-prince Michael; this angelic being was later, it would seem, invested with Messianic attributes, and so became the pre-existent heavenly Messiah."-Abingdon Bible Commentary, p.846.
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For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. (1 Thessalonians 4:16 NKJV)
Joshua 5:13, And it came about when Joshua happened to be by Jer′i·cho that he proceeded to raise his eyes and look, and there there was a man standing in front of him with his drawn sword in his hand. So Joshua walked up to him and said to him: “Are you for us or for our adversaries?”
1. Dr White, Jehovah's Witnesses NEVER compared Jesus to Moses and Isaiah. They were not sons of God in the way Jesus was.
2. The Bible compares death to sleep. So Jesus ceased to exist for three days and three nights because the Bible says that. God cannot die (read Habakkuk, please).
3. To prove that Jesus is God this video quotes a MISTRANSLATION of 1 Timothy 3:16. The Greek text does not say "Theos" (God) but "hos" (he that), so a correct rendering would sound as 'He that was made flesh' etc. etc. Dr White himself does not agree with this KJV rendering, considering it a wrong edition of the Textus Receptus. See his interview with Steven L. Anderson if you don't believe it.
The good doctor is well kn own for his misrepresentations.
Isaiah 9:6....."For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Just a Christian who admires other people especially famous people who stands up for our Lord and savior
Yes. Christ and Archangel Michael are ONE.
HERESY , ITS CLEAR POOR PEOPLE
Have you guys ever wondered why God spoke first through prophets that a Savior would come, Then after He came and finished the Job and went back to Heaven, He said the Comforter would come to show The true believer into all truth. Now take that and be blessed, Love
Anointed spirit
Also, Is 44:24 says "I am the Lord (Jehovah), that made all things; that stretched forth the heavens alone, that spread abroad the earth by myself." Col 1:15-18 says that all things were created by Jesus and for Jesus and He holds everything together. Is 44:8 says, "Does there exist a God besides me? No, there is no rock, I have recognized none."
In Daniel 10, Gabriel is telling Daniel why he was delayed (as Daniel spent 3 weeks fasting and praying). He says he was delayed by the prince of Persia (possibly a fallen angel). Dan. 10:13 "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. 20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come. 21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince."
He clearly says that Michael is ONE OF THE CHIEF PRINCES. That means there are others, and he names the prince of Persia and the prince of Grecia; and calls Michael the prince of your people (Israel). These princes obviously have spiritual dominion of principalities or governments.
Michael is Not JESUS, who is God; and the WORD who was there in the beginning at creations, according to John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
“Do not cling to Me,” Jesus said, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.’”
Paulson Peter
Just like the Trinity claims. Jesus is God but he is not the Father. The Father is God but is not the son. Therefore, the Father is God to whom the Son ascended.
And NWT Bible has a side note that it is a direct quote from Psalm 102:25-27, which reads, "Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth itself,
And the heavens are the work of your hands.
26They themselves will perish, but you yourself will keep standing;
And just like a garment they will all of them wear out.
Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will finish their turn.
27But you are the same, and your own years will not be completed.
Joshua 5:13 while Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and much to his amazement, he saw a man standing in front of him, holding a drawn sword in his hand! Joshua approached him and asked him, “Are you one of us, or are you with our enemies?”
14 “Neither,” he answered. “I have come as commander of the LORD’s Army.” (JESUS). WHO IS THAT YOGI BEAR? NO its Michael The Arch Angel. Who is the commander of God's Army? JESUS. As we continue Joshua immediately fell on his face to the earth and worshipped, saying to him, “Lord, what do you have for your servant by way of command?” 15 The commander of the LORD’s Army (JESUS) replied to Joshua, “Remove your sandals from your feet, because the place where you’re standing is holy.” So Joshua did so. Only God or Jesus could say that.
Also, we note that by the commander's presence, the ground was made holy -- something usually only associated with God. In John's vision in Revelation, Jesus is portrayed as leading a great army, starting in Revelation 19:11. Thus, most assume that the Commander was Jesus.
Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" (Jude 1:9 NKJV)
Dear Dr.James
I am a very inquiring Christian who is struggling to understand how "trinity" really came about and my faith in it is really shaken. I can see that the father and Jesus are each "God", but when it comes to "Holy Spirit", I am really not sure and would like your assistance in clarifying how the Holy Spirit is really "God" in the same way or manner as Jesus or the Father is "God".
My main concern here is that the bible says much more about the Father and Jesus than it does of the Holy Spirit (beyond just stating that they are each "God"):
Take for example the fact that in addition to calling spiritual entities that we must honor and worship(Yahweh and Jesus) "God", not only does the bible explicitly command us to honor, glorify and worship them, but it also tells us that they each (distinctively / each in his own right) "created all things", hence worthy of worship from all intelligent beings that they are "each" said to have created (angels and humans). and i have three key questions that I would like answered:
1. Both the father and the Son are each (in his own right) "explicitly" said to have "created all things": Father: Revelation 4:11; Job 38:4-41; Isaiah 45:18.....Jesus Christ: John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17. Where exactly does the bible explicitly state (as explicitly as it does of the father and of the Son) that the 3rd entity in our triune God, the "Holy Spirit" created something let alone "creating all things" to suggest that he too deserves any kind of worship (from his creatures)? if there is no such scripture, but such scriptures are easily found for the father and the son, is that not an indication that we should never, be praying to or worshiping the Holy Spirit, especially given that it is the Holy Spirit himself, who directly inspired the bible and should have included that statement in it to help us worship him, right?
2. Throughout the bible, we are explicitly told/encouraged even commanded to honor, glorify and/or worship the Father and the Son ( more often for the father than for the son as the son himself prays to the father) and examples of God fearing people entreating or worshiping either the father or the Son are abundantly available in the scriptures ( for the father: Matthew 6:9-10; Matthew 4:10; John 17:1-5.......For Jesus: John 5:23; Philippians 2:9-11; Hebrews 1:6; John 20:28.....); Where exactly does the bible encourage us to glorify, honor or worship the Holy Spirit? Can you help me find one single example in the bible where true Christian(s) in the first century prayed to or worshiped the Holy Spirit? If we can't, what should that say about trinity? Should we believe that early first century Christians prayed to the Holy Spirit and yet the Holy Spirit inspired them to only record examples of worship for the father and for the son? Or should we rather conclude that trinity was only introduced after the same Holy Spirit itself had completed the inspiration of the holy scriptures without requesting any Christians to worship him?
3. Since the Holy Spirit is "God" or an entity in "God" (in the same way as Jesus or Yahweh i.e of no less equality to the father or the Son) that we must also worship as we do the father and Jesus, each in his own right ...would you mind explaining please why this 3rd entity in God is missing in key scriptures that convey the idea of divinity and worship?
Please consider the following examples:
A. Revelation 5:11-14: Please explain where the Holy Spirit had gone, when the father and the son were being worshiped together at Revelation 5:11-14: where was the 3rd entity in God to also receive worship?.... Revelation Chapter 4&5 in no uncertain terms shows the worship of the father and the son, each in his own right and also in Chapter 5 together, seating on the same throne... : where is the Holy Spirit (the 3rd entity in God) mentioned in that scripture? What good reasons could possibly explain his absence, if he is any kind of God in the same sense as the father and Jesus each are (i.e. an entity outside of the father and not to be viewed in the same way as our own spirit as indicated in 1 Corinthians 2:11)? We never praise or honor someone and then arrange separate honor or praise for his/her spirit, do we? Why does trinity compel us to do just that of God, when he said that the same way we relate to our spirits, is the same way that he too(Yahweh) relates to his Holy Spirit(1 Corinthians 2:11)? Could you help me here?
B. According to Jesus himself at John 17:1-5; why must we know "the only true God", and Jesus Christ whom he sent (Isaiah 61:1-3) in order to gain eternal life, but not know the Holy Spirit? Why does Jesus leave out the knowledge of Holy Spirit (the 3rd entity in God) as being necessary for our salvation here? Did Jesus expect us to also know the Holy Spirit as we know him and his father in order to gain eternal life and yet he did not say so here in John 17:3? if yes, who then is to blame if some people do not see any need to worship the Holy Spirit or elevate the Holy Spirit in the same manner as is done of the Father or the Son? I.e. what condemnation could possibly come to those who accept the Holy Spirit only as a helper, teacher.....as introduced by Jesus and not any kind of God in the same manner as Jesus (for example), deserving of any worship? where exactly do we as Christians get the idea that failing to worship to Holy Spirit is the same as failing to worship God?
C. Paul explained the order and line of authority and submission he wanted Christians in Corinth to abide by and follow from woman to God, the Almighty Yahweh(1 Corinthians 11:3); Please explain why the Holy Spirit is left out of this authority structure, while both God, the father and Jesus are clearly mentioned in this hierarchy.....????? I mean: did Paul want us to respect and worship the Holy Spirit as "God" in the same manner as Yahweh and Jesus, but left him out here? why then is the Holy Spirit therefore included in our triune God? what is the rationale for including him? Have early church father not gone out of what is written in the bible to include it?
D. Daniel 7:13-14 and 1 Corinthians 15:27-28.....show that Jesus is "given" a kingdom until all things are subjected to him (Jesus). Then Jesus hands over the kingdom back to his God and father (1 Corinthians 15:27-28). Please tell me: why does it look like the father and the son are exchanging the kingdom, but the 3rd entity in our triune God, the Holy Spirit is left out in the dark? what is happening here? when will the turn of the Holy Spirit come? The 3 entities in God are equal, right?, and each worthy of worship and kingdom according to the concept of trinity, but only two are seen exchanging the kingdom between themselves in the bible, Yahweh having the Kingdom twice before the Holy Spirit had it even once? why?
E. Perhaps the most compelling evidence against the inclusion of Holy Spirit as an entity in "God" or as being God in the same manner as Jesus or Yahweh is the book of Act 7:55-56 when Stephen, (notice was being stoned): "being full of Holy Spirit" gazed into "heaven" and saw "the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God".....Since Holy Spirit is omnipresent, he should have seen the Holy Spirit also on the left hand side of God, right? Please tell me: why did he not see the Holy Spirit in heaven (the dwelling place of our "triune God") standing at the left hand of "God" (don't know yet whether is this our triune God or the father)? what happened? Had the Holy Spirit descended to fill Stephen and blinded him to the extent that he could not see the 3rd entity in our triune God, but saw only the two other entities of the trinity? I am baffled here, because this event shows that Steven did not believe in any triune God at all!
F. At 1 John 2:22-23, the King James Version (KJV) bible states: "
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also."
A "liar" is not one who denies "the Holy Spirit" (as he does the other 2 entities in Godhead), but he who denies the father and/or the Son. Please explain why denying the Holy Spirit as God, is not a lie and yet it is a lie when it is done of the Father or the Son?
If John believed that the Holy Spirit is a separate entity from the Father, or any kind of "God", equal to or in exactly "the same sense" as Jesus or the Father are each "God" or divine (entities independent of each other), he surely would also have included those who deny the Holy Spirit among liars, wouldn't he? Could you please explain these omissions for me?
After looking at this evidence I am convinced just based on these few considerations that the worship of our triune God may actually be a form of Idolatry...and that 95% of all nominal Christians who believe in trinity (including myself at this stage), have been led astray! I hope that I am wrong Dr. James.....Please help clarify where I am going wrong!
Regards,
Tooty
Just read your church history and you will see that it is man made!
If Michael was crucified can angels bleed. Can angels die. Matthew 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” Can Michael give us rest?
Michael's inclusion as one of the chief princes does not exclude the possibility that he is the chief angel. For a comparison, during WW2 General Eisenhower was appointed supreme commander of Operation Overlord-the Allied invasion of northwestern Europe. His designation as supreme commander did not raise his rank above "General" but it did increase his authority. Similarly, Jesus, at 2 Thess. 1:7, comes "from heaven with his powerful angels" to do battle with "those who do not know God..." At Rev. 12:7, Michael leads the expulsion of the demons from heaven. At Rev.19:11-16, Jesus, the Word of God, leads the heavenly armies to victory.
John 1:1-2 ["In the beginning was God, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.]
John 1:14 ["And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as the only begotten from the Father full of grace and truth."]
I hope this helps in some way, :)
May the Lord bless all who strive to walk in His footsteps and have faith in Him!
"Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued." ~Daniel 12:1, And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S. ~Obadiah 1:21 "Touch not my Anointed Ones, nor do any harm to my Prophets." ~Psalms 105:15
jesus tells philip when he asked him to show the father" He who has seen me has seen the father" john 14: 8,9 thus clearly stating that he is in fact Yahuwah incarnated
Remember when Jesus was arrested and he was before the high priest and he spoke of his coming and return first in Mark 14 v. 62- "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the "Mighty" one and coming on the clouds of heaven." Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father and he calls Him the Mighty one.
Again in Luke 22 v.69 "But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand ( Father) of the Mighty God."
Joshua 5:14, To this he said: “No, but I-as prince of the army of Jehovah I have now come.” With that Joshua fell on his face to the earth and prostrated himself and said to him: “What is my lord saying to his servant?” 15 In turn the prince of the army of Jehovah said to Joshua: “Draw your sandals from off your feet, because the place on which you are standing is holy.” At once Joshua did so.
Jesus said HE gives His own life and freely takes it up again. The angel comes and says that the Father is calling Him. Jesus responds by taking His life up again and living. In Him is unborrowed life.
Q-3: Whe did the big God create the little god, since Is 43:10-11 says that there was no god created before Him or after Him?
It's unbelievable to me that after one looks at the parallels between Michael and Jesus, he/she still refuses to acknowledge that they are one and the same.
JESUS VS. MICHAEL
The Voice of Jesus raises the dead (John 5:26-29)
The Voice of the Archangel raises the dead (1 Thes 4:16)
Michael is called the Great Prince who watches over Israel (Daniel 12:1)
Jesus is called the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6)
Michael rescues those written in the Book of Life (Daniel 12:2)
Jesus rescues those written in the Book of Life (Rev. 20:12-20)
Michael fights and casts down the dragon/serpent of old (Rev. 12:7-9)
Jesus fights and casts dragon/serpent of old (Rev. 20:1-3)
Michael is called the archangel (Jude 9)
Jesus is called the archangel (1 Thes 4:16)
God Himself buried Moses (Deut 34:6-7)
Michael has the bones of Moses (Jude 9)
Michael (quoting YHWH) rebukes the Devil: “The Lord rebuke you!” (Jude 9)
"The LORD said to Satan, “The LORD rebuke you, Satan!" (Zechariah 3:2)
YHWH/JESUS/MICHAEL ARE ALL DESCRIBED AS "MALAK"(ANGELS/MESSENGERS)
Archangel = LORD of Hosts
"Archangel"means "Chief of the Angels/Messengers"
LORD of Hosts - YHWH leads the Armies (Zec 1:3, 4:6, 7:12, 8:3-9, 14; Haggai 1:2, 2:9, 23; Isaiah 22:14; 1 Sam 1:3; Malachi 2:16)
Michael leads the armies (Rev 12)
Jesus leads the armies (Rev 20)
Jesus is called an apostle (messenger/envoy) (Hebrews 3:1)
Jesus is referred to as "another angel" (Revelation 8, Revelation 10)
Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger (Heb. "malak") of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the Lord Almighty. (Malachi 3:1b)
And He was saying to them, "You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world. (John 8:23)
The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all. (John 3:31)
They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. (John 17:16)
"I am the living bread that came down out of heaven (John 6:51)
"Captain of the LORD of Hosts" = Angel of the LORD
Joshua worships the "Captain of the LORD of Hosts" (Joshua 5:14)
The captain of the LORD’S host said to Joshua, “Remove your sandals from your feet, for the place where you are standing is holy.” (Joshua 5:15)
The Burning Bush: God said (to Moses) "Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground." (Exodus 3:5)
Angel of the LORD
Appears to Moses in the Burning Bush and speaks as YHWH (Exodus 3)
The "angel of God" says "I am the God of Bethel" (Gen 31:11)
And the angel of the Lord called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. (Gen 22:11)
Hagar says to the angel of the LORD: “You are a God who sees”; for she said, “Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?” (Gen 16:7-16)
Jacob wrestles with the angel of the LORD then says “For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered.” (Gen. 32)
Charles Spurgeon said:
Let the Lord Jesus Christ be for ever endeared to us, for through Him we are made to sit in heavenly places far above principalities and powers. He it is whose camp is round about them that fear Him; He is the true Michael whose foot is upon the dragon. All hail, Jesus! thou Angel ofJehovah’s presence, to Thee this family offers its morning vows. (Morning and Evening Daily Readings 556)
If you don't see it now, you're blind. End of Story.
Stupid comparisons will never be be the truth.
Michel Haineault So ... Biblical comparison and cross reference is stupid? I'd hate to study with you!
Michel Haineault Stupid comparisons will never be the truth? This is about the most moronic statement I've ran across in some time. So you despise scripture that brings to light what you've been blind to your whole life. Maybe you need to meditate on those comparison a little bit more before continuing in the path that has been laid out for you previously. They say, truth is the hardest thing to except and digest. The Bible says that the majority of mankind has been deceived not the few. Therefore, if you are a part of the majority you should automaticly consider yourself deceived and you should pay attention to scriptures from those that the world at large teaches you which is false and an error.
Chris Imo That's mainstream Christianity for you! It's their own "personal truth". Scripture means nothing to them. They push the Bible aside and read the Christian celebrity pastors' books instead. When the do read the Bible, they don't make an effort to understand the cultural context of it.
I'm not advocating the Watchtower's theology as a whole but I do respect their zeal in learning, something most Christians are not interested in.
***** I'm not JW but you certainly like to assume stuff. I've noticed that no "mainstream christian" can refute the parallels b/w Jesus and Michael. They just reach for the "cult card" like the cowards they are.
Matthew 10:8, "YOU received free, give free"
Which NWT to you have? 1970 ed or 1981 ed ?
Heb 1:6 1970 ed says "And let all God's angels worship him"
Heb 1:6 1981 ed says "And let all God's angels do obeisace to him."
One of them is a deliberate mistranslation. Which one do YOU prefer?
I do not understand why it is so hard to comprehend the Trinity.
If you a mere man, living in the year 2000 had a time machine. You could take a one week vacation to the year 2020. Then in the year 2001 you take another vacation also to the year 2020. Then in the year 2002 you take one more vacation to the year 2020.
Tell me, what is the one thing that you would have found in the year 2020 every single time you we're there?
You would find you.
The you from the year 2000, the you from the year 2001, and the you from the year 2002. All three of you standing there together yet all three of you are still the same person. Each one quite capable of doing something completely different at exactly the same time. Even able to have a conversation with each other.
If you a mortal man with something as simple as a time machine can be three individual people but yet one person at the same time. Then an omnipresent God not bound by space and time would have no problem doing exactly the same thing.
In fact there would be nothing to prevent that omnipresent God to be 20 billion people at the same time. Each one performing a completely different job at the same time. Jobs like maybe sitting on a throne in heaven as God, walking amongst the people of earth teaching them and sacrificing himself as Jesus, and comforting and guiding each and every one of his children as the Holy Spirit.
I understand it may be a bit difficult to wrap our little minds around something as complicated as living outside space and time. But that is precisely where God resides.
Please do not make the mistake of limiting God within the confines of the physical properties (time and space) that confines all of us.
Actually, in the NWT, John 1:3 says: "All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence."
Who's misleading who here?
Joshua 5:13b- and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14- And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? 15- And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.
I love Ravi Zacharias' commentary on the indefinite article. I totally didn't even know that. Thank you so much for sharing this!
That goes agaisnt 7th day Adventist ALSO. they believe Jesus is Michael the archangel.
In Isaiah 45:21-23 JEHOVAH says, "that unto Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear." In Philippians 2:9-11 this passage in Isaiah is applied to Christ.
In Isaiah 40:3 we learn that John the Baptist was to prepare the way for the coming of Jehovah.
In Zechariah 12 JEHOVAH is speaking (verses 1 and 4). In verse 10 Jehovah says, "They shall look upon ME whom they have pierced."
Jesus referred to Himself as eternal in John 8:58-59 the same as Jehovah did in Exodus 3:14. This made the Jews so angry they tried to stone Him to death. In John 10:30-33, He again calls Himself God, and the Jews were so angry that He "being a man" would call Himself God that they again tried to stone Him. Then there is Isaiah 9:6, where Jesus is called the Prince of Peace, The Mighty God and The Everlasting Father.
Arianism misunderstands biblical references to Jesus’ being tired (John 4:6) and not knowing the date of His return (Matthew 24:36). It may be difficult to understand how God could be tired or not know something, but these verses speak of Jesus’ human nature. Jesus is fully God, but He is also fully human. The Son of God did not become a human being until a specific point of time we call the Incarnation. Therefore, Jesus’ limitations as a human being have no impact on His divine nature or His eternality.
A second major misinterpretation in Arianism concerns the meaning of firstborn as applied to Christ. Romans 8:29 speaks of Christ as “the firstborn among many brothers and sisters” (see also Colossians 1:15-20). Arians understand firstborn in these verses to mean that the Son of God was “created” as the first act of creation. This is not the case. Jesus Himself proclaimed His self-existence and eternality (John 8:58; 10:30). In Bible times, the firstborn son of a family was held in great honor (Genesis 49:3; Exodus 11:5; 34:19; Numbers 3:40; Psalm 89:27; Jeremiah 31:9). It is in this sense that Jesus is God’s “firstborn.” Jesus is the preeminent Person in God’s plan and the Heir of all things (Hebrews 1:2). Jesus is the “Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6).
After nearly a century of debate at various early church councils, the Christian church officially denounced Arianism as a false doctrine. Since that time, Arianism has never been accepted as a viable doctrine of the Christian faith. Arianism has not died out, however. Arianism has continued through the centuries in varying forms. The Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons of today hold a very Arian-like position on Christ’s nature. Following the example of the early church, we must denounce any and all attacks on the deity of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
Jesus is worshipped by the angels (Heb. 1:6) and by man (Matt. 14:33), and yet only God is to be worshipped (Ex. 34:14). Christ Himself said that worship is due to God alone (Matt. 4:10), and yet He accepted worship. If Jesus in His pre-existent state were the archangel Michael, how could He have received worship, since angels are not allowed to receive worship (Rev. 19:10)? If Christ were not God, then worshipping Him would be idolatrous
Arianism developed around 320 in Alexandria Egypt and concerning the person of Christ and is named after Arius of Alexandar. For his doctrinal teaching, he was exiled to Illyria in 325 after the first ecumenical council at Nicaea condemned his teaching as heresy. It was the greatest of heresies within the early church that developed a significant following. Some say, it almost took over the church.
Arius taught that only God the Father was eternal and too pure and infinite to appear on the earth. Therefore, God produced Christ the Son out of nothing as the first and greatest creation. The Son is then the one who created the universe. Because the Son relationship of the Son to the Father is not one of nature, it is, therefore, adoptive. God adopted Christ as the Son. Though Christ was a creation and because of his great position and authority, he was to be worshiped and even looked upon as God. Some Arians even held that the Holy Spirit was the first and greatest creation of the Son.
At Jesus' incarnation, the Arians asserted that the divine quality of the Son, the Logos, took the place of the human and spiritual aspect of Jesus thereby denying the full and complete incarnation of God the Son, the second person of the Trinity.
In asserting that Christ the Son, as a created thing, was to be worshiped, the Arians were advocating idolatry.
The teaching that Jesus is Michael the Archangel is an old, tired Arian argument. The early Adventist pioneers taught the heresy called "Arianism" which teaches that Jesus is not God the Son, the second Person of the Trinity. Those who believe this false doctrine teach that Jesus is an exalted angel. Those, such as Jehovah's Witnesses, who promote this heresy today teach that Jesus is Michael the Archangel.
This early Adventist heresy appeared in several books and articles published by the church. It even manifested itself in the hymnology of the church. In the official Seventh-day Adventist hymnal, published from 1941 until its recent revision in 1985, the church had changed the words of the hymn "Holy, Holy, Holy" which says, "God in three Persons, blessed Trinity" to "God overall who rules eternity."
As for the manuscripts...I read a report (can't find it--working on it) that presented evidence that the verse was indeed in the majority of ancient source manuscripts, but there were maybe less than a handful that did not have it, which were considered to be altered by blasphemers. Some people say that since the verse is not in the manuscripts we have now, we should ignore it. The entire book of 1 John is mostly missing from current manuscripts, but we certainly don't ignore the whole book.
But thats not what the Watchtower teaches. the full wording of the quotes in the watchtower is "it makes sense that Jesus would be none other than Michael, the archangel." Its not a tenet of JWs that he is. They dont say "they know this to be true". they simply use reason but leave room for God to actually correct that assumption. you dont HAVE TO believe or think that in order to be a JW. JWs are fine with Michael and Jesus being completely different entities. i cant believe that theres a whole video about a non-face that JWs dont even subscribe to.
There is clear evidence that Jesus, the angel God sent, was none other than Michael. It is not guesswork.
Paul identifies Jesus as Michael the Archangel at 1 Thessalonians 4:16.
Jesus identifies himself with Michael. Compare Daniel 12:1,2 with Matthew 24:21,30.
However, JWs don't harp on this fact as the Messiah known as Jesus takes the central figure as their Leader.
Matthew 23:10.
@@tongakhan230 technically it IS guesswork. Saying "it makes sense to conclude" is actually a conclusion. The organization doesn't count it as a hard fact. We could be wrong. That's why it's not a teaching, it's a belief we have based on the evidence. It's not a fact like Gen 1:1 tells use what happened in the beginning. It's a conclusion that makes sense based on the evidence we have. Any elder will tell you it's logical, but it's not fact yet until the light gets brighter. All I'm really trying to say is leave a little room for that not being accurate. It could be true or it could be true that they are 2 separate beings under Jah's rule.
@@klemremy6963 : Two separate individuals carrying out God's one purpose??
Jesus clearly identifies himself with Michael.
No guesswork when Jesus clearly states he will fulfill Daniel 12:1,2.
He did this with other prophecies in Daniel.
God certainly wouldn't sent just any angel. His only begotten son who obviously wouldn't serve under another angel. He will be the leader of the angels.
Like I said, it is just of secondary interest as who Jesus was. What he is and what he will achieve are what's important.
@@tongakhan230 nothing you said was wrong. It still doesn't amount to a "fact" that all JWs must believe as such that Michael and Jesus are the same creature. Ask your elders if you are a JW. They will tell you that it's reasonable to assume that but "we don't know and won't know till we can ask Jesus himself." It's not a central teaching and it's not even a teaching at all. It's literally conjecture that is a reasonable assumption. But yes, right now it's neither here nor there. It doesn't take away from al Jesus role in God's will.
@@klemremy6963 : Read the literature. Check under Jesus Christ in the Insight book. It categorically states that Jesus is none other than Michael.
God doesn't have 2 leaders of his angels. Only one known by 2 names.
Q-5: John starts with, "In the beginning, the Word WAS," meaning that in the beginning, before any creation, the Word already existed, right?
@BornAgainRN Question for you. Does Jesus appear in the Old Testament? If so, where does He appear and by what title is He given?
I do take the verse before that literally. I also take other verses like that Jesus is "The Mighty God" and "The Everlasting Father" literally (Isaiah 9:6). And verses that say that "there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one (1 John 5:7)." The fact of the matter is, God is three yet one. I know this to be true beyond earthly intellectual doubt because God's Spirit lives in me and my spiritual blindness is lifted (more or less).
Anyway in revelation 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the "First and the Last". We know that Jehova is the first and the last because he mentions it right here and in Revelation 22 and in Isiah 44. But when you read on to verse 18" he says I am the Living One; "I was dead", and now look, I am alive for ever and ever!"
Absolutely ! I totally agree and to be honest I have no idea what we are debating on right now lol what was the subject ?
Isaiah 44:24
“Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, “I, the LORD [YHWH], am the maker of all things, stretching out the heavens [How? With someone else’s help? No.] by Myself, and spreading out the earth [with help? No.] all alone."
Here's why: If God created everything “all alone” as this passage (Isaiah 44:24) says and Jesus created “all things” (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17) you have to conclude that Jesus must be that God, the God of the Old Testament-Yahweh!
Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour. If Jesus is not God or Michael then you will not be saved or God is a liar. No one can save you except God alone.
Please try to get your message to the Mormons I have a sister who is a Mormon I have tried to reach for 15 years but she's been a Mormon for 35 years it's a bad cult they can also physically harm you if you try to leave I have put her into God's hands. Thank you Cameron 4 your effort with the Jehovah Witnesses
At Phil.2:9-11 "Every knee shall bow, every tongue will swear" Jesus is given this honor. Why? "to the glory of God the Father (Jehovah)" vs 11.
Jesus makes it clear that he came in Jehovah's name, "to do the will of the Father" as his representative.
AT Zech 12:10 many scholars admit that an alternate reading is undoubtedly the correct one:
"...when they look upon him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him" - RSV.
Compare John 19:37 Where it is correctly quoted
John 14:28 Jesus says he's not Greater than His Father. John 17:1-26 Jesus is praying to his Father making request. An Almighty God doesn't pray but is prayed to.
The Bible does, on the other hand, say that Jesus is God. "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6)
Eternal definition 1.existing through all time: lasting for all time without beginning or end
2.unchanging: unaffected by the passage of time
3.seemingly everlasting: seeming to go on forever or recur incessantly
Eternal means FOREVER!!
Can Watchtower explain Matt 27:37
Why it say "put over His head" & not "hands"?
the JWs are lost... they need pray. we should also pray that the watchtower org be scattered in the name of Jesus and the members of this cult truly find Jesus
With a voice, a voice it does not say as the archangel 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 2 Peter 2:11 11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from[a] the Lord
Jude 9 9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!
Philippians 2:9-10 Therefore God also qhas highly exalted Him and rgiven Him the name which is above every name, 10 sthat at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
Matthew 1:23 "The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" (which means "God with us
Not only jehovah witnes but many christians re now preaching a different jesus. We love you and worship you.
You have to find a better excuse than the one you gave me my friend with all due respect. How does it fit the bible timeline perfectly? Im a little bewildered
Badwingduck1: That's why I'm so confused. So Bible never use "MIGHTY" when Jehovah was described? Is it forbidden? Is there any Bible verse that says"MIGHTY Jehovah" ?
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Joshua 5:13, ...when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14 And he said, Nay; but [as] prince of the host of Jehovah am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
The problem we have is that we think the word angel means a created being, but that's not it. By the way, Jesus and the Father are distinct beings
Badwingduck1: Just curious... Was Jehova God always called "almighty God" or ever been called just just plain mighty God?
Thank you for this video. I was a JW until a few weeks ago. The NW translation of the Bible JWs use, has even taken out scriptures that call Jesus the Alpha and the Omega, and that shows that true followers of Jesus worshipped him. Any scripture that shows Jesus is God, they have taken out, or mistranslated it. JWs like me, who came into the "truth" of the JW religion when we were children, cannot know the real truth about who Jesus is, unless we read another translation. Thank you again.
Of course now you just stopped apply this important Principle
13For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved
Great progress well done
@user-bx3tl3yc2u Terrible interpretation.
Romans 10:13 is referring to Jesus.
That's what happens when the Governing Body decides to add "Jehovah" to the New Testament. When the Governing Body knows the name "Jehovah" is not in the New Testament.
Read the whole Chapter of Roman's 10:1-21 it's about Jesus.
Jesus is the Gospel!
Jesus is the Lord!
How beautiful are the feet are those who bring good news.
(The good news is Jesus)
The Gospel means = Good news.
The Good news is Jesus.
any scripture where jesus himself says I am god almighty? or I am the father? would really help your claim
Revelation 1:8
John 14:11
I am Jehovah, and I will lead you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will liberate you from their service; and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments; and I will take you to Me for a people, and I will be to you for God, and ye shall know that I am Jehovah your God, who leadeth you out from under the burdens of Egypt.