Is It Possible That Jesus Is Michael the Archangel?
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Greg Koukl of Stand to Reason offers an answer you might need if a Jehovah's Witness comes to your door.
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In Hebrews 1-3, the author sets out to demonstrate that Jesus is superior to the prophets, angels, and Moses. We’re told Jesus is the ultimate revelation of God (1:1-2), the Creator of the world (1:2), and the exact imprint of God’s nature (1:3). After explicitly stating He is “much superior to angels,” the author of Hebrews writes, “For to which of the angels did God ever say, ‘You are my Son, today I have begotten you‘?” The obvious answer to this hypothetical question is that God never said that to any angel. Rather, in Mark 1:11, God says to Jesus, “You are my beloved Son; with You I am well pleased.”
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As for the JW cult,even main stream christian truth from the bible contradicts their idea of Jesus being Michael the archangel.This is refuted in the book of Hebrews 1:5For to which of the angels did God ever say:
“You are My Son;
today I have become Your Father”?
Archangel is a compound word....ARCH in greek means principal.....and Angel from the greek word Aggelos means messenger.....basically Archangel means the Principal messenger aka Logos or the Word.
@@moisesbeyond Hebrews 1:3 says otherwise! Since Jesus is God too,He is not just a servant with a message,He is over the angels. Michael is his captain of the angels. Hebrews 1:3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. 4So He became as far superior to the angels as the name He has inherited is excellent beyond theirs. 5For to which of the angels did God ever say:
“You are My Son;
today I have become Your Father”c?
Or again:
“I will be His Father,
and He will be My Son”d?
6And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all God’s angels worship Him.”
@@Elvengem according to Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Servant, Jesus,
@@moisesbeyond yes, Jesus is a servant glorified is true. He also is equal to God the Father and that we know. Its good we know the Hebrews chapter 1 where it shows He was not michael,not in the new testment either where it says in revelation 12:7 there is a future heavenly war.The accuser will be cast out of Heaven,and then there is what prophet daniel said about michael that he is a prince for israel.Jesus is king. Amen.
It is very important to realize that "angel" can simply mean messenger. Was Jesus a messenger? Yes he had a message from the Father for mankind. The Angel of The Lord in Exodus is Jesus. Jesus is the Chief Messenger of the Father...not created though.......eternally exisiting...THE I AM. So when we say "was Jesus and angel?", Yes, he is a messenger, but NOT a created one. It is in this light, that as I have examined the scripture, I believe it is possible that Michael is simply another title for Jesus. Compare zechariah 3:2 and Jude vs. 9.
AgateMaster Agreed brother! The answers are in the Bible
Well said
Your absolutely right. There actually a very good amount of Scripture that supports this easily.🙏❤️
Jesus is Michael and he will never be God
@@archangeljesus4369 ok thank you. Now I know.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
It’s not exclusive to Jehovahs witnesses
Plenty of Christian commentators outside of JWs have came to the same conclusion
John Calvin thought Jesus was Michael
Matthew Poole thought Jesus was Michael
Matthew Henry thought Jesus was Michael
Joseph Benson thought Jesus was Michael
John Gill thought Jesus was Michael
EW Hengstenberg thought Jesus was Michael
JP Lange thought Jesus was Michael
Adam Clarke thought Jesus was Michael
Geneva study Bible commentary equates Jesus to Michael
Origen called Jesus in quotation of the Septuagint at Isaiah 9:6- “the Angel of Great counsel”
Justin Martyr called Jesus the highest angel
2nd Century writing “Shepherd of Hermas” called Jesus Michael at book III similitude 8 chapter 3
Bart Ehrman NT professor wrote that Paul viewed Jesus as the chief angel
Let’s not act like JWs are the only ones who equated Jesus to Michael. Universally across orthodoxy, Catholicism and Protestantism we see respected scholarship outright calling Jesus Michael or equating him with the highest angel. Angel just means divine messenger. Jesus is clearly the highest of those. Read Daniel 12:1,2 and tell me Michael isn’t the Messiah.
Arch/Angel/Micha/El literally means
“Chief/Principal Divine Messenger who is like God”
Correct
Love this answer thank you .
It’s like they can’t get it out of there head that Jesus is NOT God almighty.
How hard it is? Jesus is the Son of God, and was called Michael in heaven. Easy
@@doctordrew3189someone said to me recently that Jesus being an Angel is like a massive demotion. I don’t quite understand why it’s so argued over , as you said , simple
@@jennawrena people project in their own minds what they think the word angel means. They’re told an angel used to be a human or cute little cherubs that look like human babies. It’s far from what the Bible teaches. Let alone the first/oldest angel. What’s weird is most people who refuse to admit Jesus is in any way, shape or form an angel, don’t know that the leaders of their own churches knew he was. Their own church fathers wrote again and again about Jesus being an angel. Have those people read Joshua 5:13-15 or exodus 3:1-6 then ask them who was it that spoke to Joshua and Moses? The majority of trinitarians will admit those verses are referring to Jesus. They demote the Father by making him equal to a subject.
He is a messenger he is sent to bring us back to the father
this is EXTREMELY faulty logic. Jesus WAS a created being, he was the first creation of god, Jesus created the angels and it is totally appropriate for him to assume the role of that OVER the angels, also the bible clearly says he will ressurect the dead with THE VOICE OF AN ARCHANGEL. 1st thess 4:16 - For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. If jesus wasnt the archangel, why would he be using a power weaker than his own? thats like saying he will ressurect the dead with the power of a cherub... he was the archangel Michael, came to earth, got named Jesus, then when he went back to heaven he assumed a position HIGHER than an angel or an archangel.. Angel just means messanger.
@@Soundon123 uh Jesus is most definitely a created being....see this is the difference between someone who has studied the bible and someone who hasn't. first off "I AM" is a replacement word for gods actual name which MOST bibles have taken out, if you'd done more than 11 seconds of study you'd already know that. Gods name has been removed over 7000 times from the bible. secondly jesus is MOST DEFINATELY a created being. Proverbs 8;22 -Aramaic Bible in Plain English
LORD JEHOVAH created me at the beginning of his creation and from before all his works. prov 8:23 - Good News Translation
I was made in the very beginning, at the first, before the world began. Prov 8:24 - New Living Translation
I was born before the oceans were created, before the springs bubbled forth their waters. prov 8:25 -New International Version
before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, prov 8:27 - I was there when HE set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, Prov 8:30 -New King James Version
Then I was beside HIM as a master craftsman; And I was daily HIS delight, Rejoicing always before Him. you literally could not be any more incorrect.
God sent one of his sons from heaven to become the human Messiah. Galatians 4:4
Whom did God send?
'To WHICH OF THE ANGELS did God say..' - Hebrews 1:5,13.
Obviously God did not send just any angel. He sent his firstborn who has a role of the Archangel in heaven. 1 Thessalonians 4:16. Compare Daniel 12:1.
The moment you misused Galatians 4, implying plurality, when the text gives "son" as singular, it should be pretty apparent that you are misusing the Scriptures. What He said in Hebrews 1, He never said that to an angel..... He said it to HIs "only begotten Son". Be consistent. If there is only one archangel, and as far as we can know from the Bible only, that would appear to be true. Only one being is identified as "archangel" in Scripture. Even moreso is Jesus unique, because Scripture proves(rather than just suggest by absence) that He is the "only" One in His category. The "only begotten of the Father" (monogenes).
The point is that God did not send any "angel". The context clearly using the word angel to refer to the order of created beings thus described. Jesus is shown to be preexistent to, distinct from and superior to all that was created.including the "angels of God".
Hebrews 1:5 is an explanation or expounding of verse 4, which says that Christ, the Son, is different than and separate from the "angels" because He has by inheritance (since He is the Son of God) obtained a more excellent name than they. The angels are God's ministering spirits, created by Him. Jesus is begotten not created. Jesus is of the very nature of God. God is eternal, thus Christ is eternal. "From everlasting to everlasting, Thou art God". Within a few verses in Hebrews 1, we see God commanded all of the angels to worship Christ, the Son. "Let all the angels of God worship Him". Then in Hebrews 2, we have as plain a statement as can be indicating that Jesus did not take "the nature of angels, but took on Him, the seed (spermatos) of Abraham". If Paul thought that Jesus already was of the nature of angels, then this phrase makes no sense. The nature of angels was another nature, which ostensibly might have been taken by the Son, because Jesus was not of that nature, obviously. Thus Paul specifies that it was human nature which Jesus took, flesh and blood. BTW, He was resurrected immortal in that same human nature, flesh and bones. Luke 24:39
@@TheEverlastingCovenant-fw9yd : I'm not sure if one is agreeing or disagreeing with what I wrote. Let us take it one step at a time.
Whom did God SEND from heaven to become the Messiah Jesus?
@@tongakhan230 Sure. God sent His Son, Jesus to be the Messiah, or Christ.
@@TheEverlastingCovenant-fw9yd : Jesus was the name given to the one God transferred into a human form (cf Philippians 2:7). The one he sent was a Son of His.
Hebrews 5:8 Although he (ie Jesus) was a son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered.
Who are there WITH God in heaven to be SENT on a mission? Only ANGELS.
Logically, God SENT one of His ANGELS.
Let us read Jesus' own words as to who he was. He surely would know.
(John 4:34) Jesus said to them: “My food is to do the will of HIM WHO SENT ME and to finish HIS work.
Jesus calls himself a SENT one. God is the SENDER. Jesus is the ENVOY.
God has to have more Authority than Jesus in order to SEND him (John 13:16).
Jesus calls himself God's only begotten Son (John 3:16). This would indicate that he was not just any angel. It would show that he was God's direct creation. The Firstborn of ALL CREATION (Colossians 1:15).
See how simple the TRUTH is.
Next:
What position did Jesus as an angel occupy while in heaven? Which he begged God to restore once his mission on earth was over. In prayer to Jehovah, Jesus said:
John 17:4 I have glorified you on the earth, having FINISHED THE WORK YOU HAVE GIVEN ME TO DO. 5 So now, Father, glorify me at your side WITH THE GLORY THAT I HAD alongside you before the world was.
What is the position with its glory that Jesus had while besides God in heaven?
Just a clue. God not only restored Jesus with the glory he had but also gave Jesus a position higher than he ever had. That of being over all created beings. Philippians 2:9,10.
@@TheEverlastingCovenant-fw9yd : Jesus was the name given God's son AFTER he was born as a human. In heaven he was known by another name.
(Galatians 4:4) But when the full limit of the time arrived, God SENT HIS SON, who was born of a woman and who was under law,
Who among God's angelic sons was chosen and sent?
It was God's FIRSTBORN Son. The one God brought into existence directly.
God's only begotten son.
The son who was closest and dearest to God. At Jesus' baptism:
(Matthew 3:17) Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”
Note that this son is beloved to God and also approved by God.
The angel who held the position of Archangel was the one God SENT to become the Messiah of humans.
What about Rev 22:16 where he calls himself the bright Morning Star? We know Morning Stars are referred to as angels. Not to mention, he was GIVEN authority. God doesn't need to be GIVEN anything. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ.
Did the Witnesses make up the idea that Jesus was also the Archangel?
Or, was this doctrine developed long before the Watchtower existed?
Below are Baptist, Methodist, Calvinistic and Judaic commentaries supporting the doctrine. Folks, this has been accepted by most Bible scholars since the reformation in the sixteenth century. The Jesus have believed the Son of man was an angel, perhaps Michael for two thousand years before Jesus was born.
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
"Yet Michael the archangel,.... By whom is meant, not a created angel, but an eternal one, the Lord Jesus Christ; as appears from his name Michael, which signifies, "who is as God": and who is as God, or like unto him, but the Son of God, who is equal with God? and from his character as the archangel, or Prince of angels, for Christ is the head of all principality and power; and from what is elsewhere said of Michael, as that he is the great Prince, and on the side of the people of God, and to have angels under him, and at his command, Daniel 10:21. So Philo the Jew (o) calls the most ancient Word, firstborn of God, the archangel; Uriel is called the archangel in this passage from the Apocrypha:Jude 1:9"
biblehub.com/commentaries/jude/1-9.htm
Joshua 5:13 and, behold, there stood a man over against him;
not a mere man, nor a created angel in an human form, but a divine Person in such a form, even the Son of God, who frequently appeared in this manner to the patriarchs; as is clear from the worship paid unto him by Joshua, by his calling him Lord, and owning himself to be his servant; and by the ground on which he stood, being holy through his presence, as well as by his title, the Captain of the Lord's host. Jarchi says, this is Michael, which, if understood of Michael the uncreated angel, the head of all principality and power, is right, who is always meant by Michael, whenever he is spoken of in Scripture; and so this is interpreted by the ancient Jews F11 of the Angel the Redeemer:
www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/joshua-5-13.html
Geneva Study Bible
Joshua 5:14 And he said, Nay; but [as] captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and g did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
(g) In that Joshua worships him, he acknowledges him to be God: and in that he calls himself the Lords captain he declares himself to be Christ.
www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/geneva-study-bible/joshua/joshua-5.html
Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole Bible
Joshua 5:13 He appeared to him as a man, but a considerable man, and one fit to be taken notice of. Now, 1. We have reason to think that this man was the Son of God, the eternal Word, who, before he assumed the human nature for a perpetuity, frequently appeared in a human shape.
www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/matthew-henry-complete/joshua/5.html
Wesley's Explanatory Notes
Joshua 5:14 As captain - I am the chief captain of this people, and will conduct and assist thee and them in this great undertaking. Now this person is not a created angel, but the son of God, who went along with the Israelites in this expedition, as their chief and captain. And this appears,
By his acceptance of adoration here, which a created angel durst not admit of, Revelation 22:8 ,9.
Because the place was made holy by his presence, Joshua 5:15 , which was God's prerogative, Exodus 3:5 .
Because he is called the Lord, Heb. Jehovah, Joshua 6:2 . My Lord - I acknowledge thee for my Lord and captain, and therefore wait for thy commands, which I am ready to obey
www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/wesleys-explanatory-notes/joshua/joshua-5.html
Jewish Encyclopedia
"Similarly in Aramaic, "son of man" is the usual designation for "man," and occurs in the inscriptions in Syriac, Mandaic, Talmudic, and other dialects (see Nathanael Schmidt in Cheyne and Black, "Encyc. Bibl." iv. 4707-4708). In Dan. vii. 13, the passage in which it occurs in Biblical Aramaic, it certainly connotes a "human being." Many see a Messianic significance in this verse, but in all probability the reference is to an angel with a human appearance, perhaps Michael."
www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13913-son-of-man
Well said.
🙌💯 Well written
Good work 💙
Yes, but all of these Christian divines disagreed with JWs. They held that Jesus was the Divine, Son of God being described as Michael; not a created being.
PJesus IS NOT A CREATED BEING!!! Michael is an Angel and Jesus is GOD!!!
Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.
Jesus was given authority
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
vision of the authority.
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
Authority and kingdom handed back to the father.
Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.|For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.The last enemy to be destroyed is death.For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
Col 1:15 πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως = firstborn of creation. Adhering to koine greek grammar, that is a partitive genitive. So no, Jesus is not God, he's the first created being, the trinity is pure mental gymnastics.
But it also says My father has given me authority.
Same authority seen given in daniel 7 even to be worshipped as god.
1 cor that authority does not last as it says he is subject to god and hand the kingdom back over to him.
This is all by the authority he has been given. Authority to create authority to be worshipped.
But time and again he says the father is greater than i.
And it says He hand over the kingdom ( his authority ) to the father.
So you are incorrect
The word of God is God.
Jesus: "It is written, thou shall not tempt you lord your God."
Jesus was rebuking and talking to Lucifer like this in his human form, and no one talked to Satan like this but God. Even the Ark Angel Michael didn't wanna dispute the Devil over Moses's body but rather told him, the Lord rebuked you!"
And away he went. WHO DOY THINK MICHAEL WAS REFERRING TO?🤔
How do we know that there was a distinction between Michael and the Angel of the Lord?
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Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus ever state that he's the Alpha and Omega. The spurious text at Revelation 1:11 stating Jesus as the Alpha and Omega was omitted in recognition of being spurious. In some modern translations. Revelation 1:8 where God's name is properly placed, it opens up at its premise that Jehovah is the Alpha, Omega and using pronouns, the vernacular referring back to him as so. that's it. end of the subject. If you take a look at Isaiah 9:6 it's ladder portion says Jesus will be a a PRINCELY ruler. We don't need to Define what a prince is. Only creature that exists in the heavens referred to as Prince are the heavens angels Daniel 10:13So we tie in Jesus as a king Prince or King Angel. Does the Bible ever mention a King Angel? yes. revelation 9:11 it talks about the king Angel of the Abyss who was given a KEY which symbolizes Authority and do remember. Jesus was given "all authority in Heaven and Earth" which is inclusive of the ABYSS Matthew 28:18 which is no other than, Jesus Christ. Jehovah God our Grand Creator cannot be given Authority, underscore, given Authority. Jehovah can't be given Authority, we couldn't say it enough. He always had it Isaiah 33:22 Some religions state Revelation 9:11 is referring to Satan. This is not true. Revelation 20: 1-3 shows the same angel of Revelation 9:11 he has the KEY of the Abyss yes, the same angel of Revelation 9:11 once again with the KEY which means Authority. This Angel chains Satan and threw him into the Abyss. Obviously, it is not the devil. You heard the truth, be humb,land accept. Being fulfilled in our time Daniel 12:4 Matthew 24:14 Romans 10:13 - 15 Isaiah 43:10 Jeremiah 31:31 acts.5:42 😊
My question is Joshua 5 refers to the commander of the Lord's Army i.e. Lord of the host. Michael seems to occupy a similar officer as chief angel in the Lord's Army eg. in the narrative where satan gets cast out of heaven.
Now I'm not making a case for the theory as there is other evidence pointing to Michael just being a chief prince and not divinity, however, I'm a strong believer of the pre-incarnate Jesus. That's the only way Christianity would make sense to me only if Christ was part of the trinity before the beginning. That's why I gravitate to the Angel of the Lord's presence and Commander of the Lord's Army as they speak with the authority of God and are worshipped unlike the other angels who refuse worship.
You might want to note Young's Literal Translation on Dan. 10:13. He is right. The word translated "one" is used in many cases as an ordinal. Michael is "first of the chief princes/heads". The other chief prince, probably being the corresponding head over the evil kingdom, the prince of the power of the air, Satan. Jesus is the first over all creation. Jesus is also called a prince in Daniel, like as in Dan. 9, Messiah, the prince; seemingly also by the exact same term used in Joshua 5 "sar saba", the prince of the host". I"ve got a lot more information on this, if you care to see it. Many reformers held that Jesus was Michael the Archangel and the second person of the Godhead/Trinity.
@@TheEverlastingCovenant-fw9yd : Jesus being Michael cannot make him a part of a theory borrowed by the apostate church called the trinity.
How can that make sense? Compare Acts 20:30.
Jesus is called a SON of God because he is an ANGEL (cf Job 1:6).
(Galatians 4:4) But when the full limit of the time arrived, God SENT HIS SON, who was born of a woman and who was under law,
God has a higher authority logically, to be a SENDER of someone lower. Read Jesus' words at John 13:16.
Who has any authority to SEND God on a mission?
Just some help.
@@jimjuri6490 God declared of Christ, "Let all the angels of God worship Him". That makes Jesus 1. not a being of the order of created angels. 2. A member of the Godhead by natural right and worthy of worship.
Jesus is not called "a son of God", but rather the "only-begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth". John 1:14, 15. And "His only-begotten son". John 3:16 Jesus is the only one of His class. There are no others. Jesus was begotten, not created. That was the determination of the Council NIcaea. Does that prove it true? No. The Bible proves it true. What matters is not who said something, but whether it is true or not. We can certainly have no more confidence in the humanly-centered, private opinion driven, authoritarian religion of the watchtower, than we do that of the Romish apostasy.
As far as authority goes, you're right. Father's exercise authority over sons, that is fundamental. But by the same token, sonship indicates exact likeness of nature, and proves just that claim of Christ, which caused the Jews to pick up stones to cast at Him; that He was making Himself equal with God. Jesus did not think it robbery to "be equal with God", because that was by nature His place, by right. He is the One, "whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting".
@@TheEverlastingCovenant-fw9yd :Here is the scripture in full.
(Hebrews 1:6) But when 'God' AGAIN brings his FIRSTBORN into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do obeisance to him.”
Why were the Angels asked by God to show this respect for Jesus' NEW POSITION?
(Philippians 2:9) For this very reason, GOD EXALTED HIM (ie. Jesus) TO A SUPERIOR POSITION and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,
The FALSE claim that Jesus was making himself EQUAL to God made by the Jews still shows that they never would believe that Jesus was God.
FALSE accusations never become true for someone's convenience.
The word WORSHIP means many things in Greek. See how Matthew 18:26 which the KJV says WORSHIP is translated by other Bibles.
Type in Daniel 12:1 and 2 into google and look at all the commentary on Bible hub. Consistently across the board we see people viewing Michael as Jesus. Also look at Shepherd of Hermas (2nd century Christian writing) at similitude 8 chapter 3, Jesus is literally called Michael. Origen and Justin Martyr likewise call Jesus the highest angel. Also look at Dr. Bart Ehrmans blog about who Paul thought Jesus was. Consistently across the board we see scholarship equate Jesus with Michael.
It’s very simple, there can’t be 2 Great Princes. There can’t be 2 highest sons. The simplest answer is they are one and the same
If the word (God's son, the firstborn of all creation, and 'a God') was with Him in the beginning...who was He with? WHO WAS HE WITH??
Who was He with when GOD ALMIGHTY said "let US make man in OUR image" Clue is in the question.
Yeah and us was always there. Us was never created. Jesus IS God Almighty, and gives his glory to no one.
@@investigatorreports4311 Indeed Jesus is God, but the Father is God to Jesus.
(Hebrews 1:8) But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
(Hebrews 1:9) Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
BIBLE TRUTH
1 "Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God"
2. "Three persons one God'
3. "Jesus said that he's going to raise himself from the dead"
4. "Three internal persons"
5. "Jesus is equal with Jehovah"
6. "Shares Jehovah's Glory"
7. "Jesus is God"
8. "Jesus is the Creator"
9 "Everything God was the word was"
*Nowhere in the Bible does it state these expressions used by Jeff and the commentator listed above 1. through .9
CHALLENGE - show me scriptures to all these expressions and words listed above. It Doesn't exist, you would not be able to find it.
Trinitarians use a lot of counterfeit expressions and words not mentioned in any Bible. God incarnate, God in the flesh, god man, Christmas and Easter etc. These tiles or expressions sounds like something religious or in the Bible but it doesn't exist. This was prophesied about by the apostle Peter. Preaching counterfeit words 2 Peter 2:3
At John 1:1 'in the beginning was the word". Trinitarians say in Greek, it is embedded in this text that it means the farthest in the past. This is incorrect, there is no Greek word listed at John 1:1 that ties in*forever in the past" in meaning. In reality Arch", Greek word it's used in a normal vernacular as we use it in our vernacular in English meaning the Chief or leader. There is no connotation or text permission to such thought of "farthest in the past" at John 1:1. Jehovah doesn't have a beginning. So the question is, what are they talking about, beginning" it is something for you to review. I could explain the beginning but that's another story.
Trinitarians believe that Jesus Christ and Jehovah is a Mighty God, so, therefore, the same person, really?
Mighty God,(El Gibbor) is a relative word. Other words, it can be applied to any person or thing. Example, the mighty mountains, mighty Angels, mighty Sea, mighty warriors etc. In definition only - Jehovah's mighty meaning with great power, great strength or much responsibility. The demarcation between Jehovah and Jesus is the word "Almighty" God. You would never find this title attached to Jesus Christ. This is an absolute word since it can only be applied to Jehovah God. Almighty is supreme the highest in power and authority. Exodus 6: 3 Genesis 6:4 Revelation 19:18
2 Thessalonians 1:7 2 Kings 24:14
Trinitarian state, Jesus is claiming to be God in relation to John 8: Here at John 8: 56 to 59 Jesus is not identifying himself as God the "I AM" of Exodus 3: 14 based upon the discussion that was going on between Jesus and the Jews. They were not talking about IDENTITY but they were talking about TIME. How so?
John 8:57 the Jews said to Jesus "you're not even 50 and yet you seen Abraham"? This is why the Jews wanted to Stone Jesus because he's not even 50 and yet he's saying he saw Abraham which would make him hundreds and hundreds of years old. Get it?
The King James version, the vernacular is sometimes ambiguous, it's difficult for the scripture to be understood properly. Here's a few Bible translations that will help you get the correct understanding of John 8:56 to 59
Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been" -New world translation of the Holy scriptures 2023
1935: “I existed before Abraham was born!” The Bible-An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed
1869: “From before Abraham was, I have been.” The New Testament, by G. R. Noyes
Straight to the point. Jesus is the son of God in a normal manner. If you take a look at Isaiah 9:6, it's latter portion. It mentions that Jesus will have a PRINCELY rule. Emphasizing on PRINCE, WE DON'T HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT A PRINCE IS BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW WHAT A PRINCE IS. JEHOVAH, OUR GRAND CREATOR is not a PRINCE. The only existing beings in the heavens referred to as a prince are angels, and that's inclusive of Jesus Christ.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 Daniel 10:13
Therefore, Jesus is a king and a prince or King angel. So do the Bible ever mentions a king angel? Yes! Turn over to Revelation chapter 9 verse 11. This is no other than, Jesus Christ. Hear this angel is a king at the same time!!! Jesus said, at Matthew 28: 18 "all authority has been given me in heaven and earth"and that would include the abyss. Genesis 3:15 the first prophecy uttered says that Jesus will crush the head of Satan, ultimately killing him. At Revelation 9:11 it gives the angel of the abyss two other names ABADDON, Hebrew for destruction and A·polʹlyon, Greek for destroyer. The demons know that Jesus will soon destroy them. Mark 124 Some religions teach that the angel of the abyss is Satan. Really? Turn over to Revelation chapter 20: 1-3 Emphasizing on a KEY that was given to the angel of the abyss here's the key again and this Angel which is Jesus Christ is chaining Satan and throwing him into the abyss. The demons know that Jesus has the authority even over the abyss Matthew 8:31
Trinity has been shown to be fraudulent and it acquired its start at the council of nicea of 325 A.D it's full blown version at the Constantinople meeting of 381 A.D. the decision made at the Constantinople meeting, were they correct? According to the bible, absolutely not. Frankly, at Isaiah 40:25 the Bible States Jehovah God doesn't have an equal. So if God doesn't have an equal, how could he be Trinity? Also, first John 3:2 the Bible States that even the apostles didn't know what God's elaborated form was. The elaborated detail of God's form, his Spirit body is not granted for us humans to know. This scripture above is mentioning that once a person dies and is granted access to heaven and appears before God's person, then he will come to know the elaborated form of God. He has granted us that he is a spirit John 4:24
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Jehovah God is not a trinity in any variation. He doesn't have an equal Isaiah 40:25. Nor is he three and yet one Deuteronomy 6:4 Besides, Jehovah says at Isaiah 46:9, 10 ' I am God and there is no one else, I am God and there is no one like me and I will do whatever I please". In contrast, Jesus says "I cannot do whatever I please"and you wonder why? Just as it is with other angels and humans, we cannot do whatever we want to. Not even demons can do whatever they want to. Jehovah, our grand creator is the ultimate in authority that we all will answer to. Romans 9:28 Jesus is the son of God in a normal manner. Matthew 16:16,17 At Isaiah 9:6 in the latter portion he will have a PRINCELY rule. Since he is a king he will also be a PRINCE a king prince or a king angel. Angels are sometimes referred to as a prince Daniel 10:13. Jehovah God is never called a prince in this sense and we know what a prince is, it needn't be defined. Isaiah 9:6 states that Jesus will be a king, as well as, he will have a princely rule. He then is a king Prince or King angel. Does the bible ever mention of a king angel? Yes!!! at Revelation 9: 11 the Bible talks about the king Angel of the abyss, this is Jesus Christ. Revelation 20: 1-3 3 He also has two other names mentioned in this text which means in essence a destroyer or destruction. The first prophecy Genesis 3:15 Jesus will soon crush the head of Satan the devil destroying him. And so this Angel of the abyss is given these names meaning he is designated to soon destroy Satan. Since Genesis 3:15 says Jesus will kill Satan, do it make sense an angel will do it? Jesus is the Angel of the abyss. It is up to you to be humble and accept what God is telling you this day. For the Bible and it's truth can remove deeply false entrenched things. 2 Corinthians 10:4 simply put, the story of Abraham and Isaac foreshadows the reality above. Jehovah, our grand creator, is the greater Abraham. Jesus, our appointed King by jehovah, is the greater Isaac. No more no less. It was a great sacrifice that the almighty sent his first born son Jesus other known as Michael to the Earth that through him him we have the hope of everlasting life. The sacrifice of his dear son was the greatest pain the almighty have ever experienced that Satan inflicted. Satan would love to destroy his chief enemy, which is Jehovah God, but he can't. So he does the next best thing for himself, he hurts those whom God loves, therefore, he hurts God. Get it? And as long as people believe in Trinity. Satan hides this greatest act of love of God; that he sacrificed his only begotten son for us. John 3:16
.So this is what Jehovah has said get up and get out of the mist of her if you do not want to receive the plague that is destined to come upon her, false religion
2 Corinthians 6:17
Jesus was actually created as the bible shows in Revelation 3:14. There in the KJV it says that he (Jesus) is the "beginning of the creation of God". That Jesus had an origin is undisputed.
We address that passage here: www.str.org/w/-strask-january-21-2019
Would those who say that Michael the Archangel is NOT Jesus's Heavenly name, please tell us who they think it is.!
To WHICH of the ANGELS did God say..' - Hebrews 1:5,13 does show that Jesus is an ANGEL.
Archangel is an angel who is above other angels. A Leader of the angels.
Archangel Michael literally means chief messenger who is like God. Sounds like Jesus to me
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Not at all. Jesus is God, not like God. The leader of the angels is not required to be an angel.
@@yoyeo1900 you aware nearly all denominations refer to Jesus as an angel right? You sure you don’t? Who is it that spoke to Joshua at Joshua 5:13-15? Who is the “Angel of the Lord”? Who is the “Angel of Great Counsel” that Origen spoke about?
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My faith is not driven by any denomination or traditions thereof. Jesus is God, not an angel.
I believe God is speaking to Joshua in vs 13-15. He appears as a man who id's as commander of God's army. If He does appear as Jesus, how does that imply He's an angel? Any angel appointed by God to deliver His message or protect believers is an Angel of the Lord.
How is Origen relevant? Where in original scripture is Jesus called, "Angel of Great Counsel"?
@@yoyeo1900 the word angel means a messenger. Jesus is the chief messenger. His message being the greatest divine message mankind has ever heard. When Origen calls him “the Angel of Great Counsel” he’s quoting the Greek Septuagint at Isaiah 9:6. My point in bringing up the beliefs of other denominations is they AGREE with you that Jesus is God. Yet they do not deny that Jesus has appeared within the Old Testament in the context of an angel. For example Exodus 3:2 says an angel was in the thornbush yet verse 4 says God called from the thornbush. Many conclude this was Jesus (Acts 7:35 also confirms it was an angel)
Furthermore the passage in Joshua 5:14 confirms the one talking to Joshua was the “captain” or “chief” of God’s host. If God is the chief of God’s host then what is an archangel then? Because the very word means “chief angel” and many have come to the conclusion that the person Joshua was speaking to was an Archangel in some capacity.
Further you would need to explain why Paul at Galatians 4:14 said “And though my physical condition was a trial for you, you did not treat me with contempt or disgust; but you received me like an angel of God, like Christ Jesus.” And why angels are called “morning stars” at Job 38:7 but Jesus was called a morning star at Revelation 22:16. The similarities between Jesus and the office of chief angel don’t seem to stop there and continue throughout the entirety of the Bible.
I’m also curious, since you’re working against common trinitarian belief (since you deny Jesus as angel of the lord) what your view of the Father is. Do you think He is greater than the Son? Do you acknowledge the Father as occupying a differing role to that of the Son?
My friends Jesus Christ could not be Michael. This is what Lucifer would like you all to believe. Lucifer does not even know who Jesus Christ is. John the Revelator knows more about who Christ is than Lucifer would ever know. Lucifer has never seen the un-filtered glory of Jesus Christ. I have bear witness of many of the things that was shown to Daniel and John the Revelator. I was invited to go to heaven and stood before He who has no equal. This experience as mortal sinful man has help me to understand a litter better that many things that is written about Christ, is being misconstrued. I must tell you that His glory shines brighter than a thousand suns; that He turned down so that i could come and stand before Him. Lucifer have never seen God's unfiltered glory. It's for this reason he is a confused angel who thinks that he can be like The Most- High God. if so, be the case he would have never sin against He who has created him lucifer and all that there are in the universe and beyond. There is a lot of things that Lucifer does not know.
I stood in heaven before He who has no equal- Who is "A Mountain of Fire without Flame". "Jesus -Christ is a Great Almighty Spirit that words are inadequate to describe. For this very reason we must worship Him "In Spirit and in Truth."
The only words that I can use to describe He that has no equal - is that He is "A Mystery Within a Mystery." Those with their Luciferian agenda would like you to think otherwise, please do not listen to them. But know for sure that He is the very "WORD." that comes from His FATHER'S lips.
He is Forever Was!!..........I have seen Hin in my first vision as This Great -Lion of Judah when The LORD GOD disturbed. my sleep to show me things to come. I stood and looked up as The Spirit of God beckon me to do.
I obeyed and what i saw in my very first vision almost 30 years ago blew my mind. I saw the window of heaven open and what did i saw standing in heaven looking down on the earth? No ONE but The Lion of Judah. I only know this because The Spirit of God is He who tells me what I'm witnessing; because truth of the matter is that I do not know what I have bear witness of most of the time.
In another vision I bear witness of Him as a bit of cloud moving through the sky that then turn into a Little Angel (Like the Seraphin we called Cupid) He then transformed into a Great angel that came right above my head. When He stood over my head in this vision; He was no longer any of the three i have just described. It's like a metamorphic experience. He who stood over my head looking at me as if to read every fiber of my soul , and every thought i ever had. I looked upon Him with Godly fear as He stood in the heavens above me as The LORD God of The Most -High Himself. He was not standing there as a bit of cloud, or a cherub or this mighty angel but as The LORD God Himself. When I say that The LORD God is a Mystery within a Mystery it means that who can fathom the Mystery of Almighty God? I bear witness of Him in 5 different ways of which He had showed Himself to me. In my invitation to heaven; no one on the face of the earth could have prepared me for what I saw.
Rev 12:7-10 And there was war in heaven: MICHAEL and HIS ANGELS fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
(8) And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
(9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(10) And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the POWER OF HIS CHRIST: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
QUESTION: MICHAEL DEFEATS THE DRAGON OR SATAN, WHY THE CREDITS AND THE POWER WAS GIVEN TO CHRIST ?
ANSWER: MICHAEL = JESUS
VERY VERY SIMPLE LOGIC !!!!!
IF YOU STILL CAN NOT GRASPED THIS SIMPLE LOGIC, YOU FOR SO LONG DECEIVED BY THE DEVIL AND THERE WILL BE NO REMEDIES ...
An angel is anyone or anything that preaches Gods message. Some examples. The Bible is an angel, Moses was an angel, Elijah was an angel, you are an angel. Arch means the firstborn and the best. Before God created anything else, he made Yashuah [God is my Salvation (Jesus)] whose real name is Michael (Who is like God). How can God be anyone’s salvation if Michael was made before man who needs salvation? Also John 1:1 is a huge mistranslation. Michael was made by God and everyother angel by Michael. That is why in Proverbs Michael is said to be the masterworker of God. He isn’t God but is if the same essence of God (the Father). All angels are “gods” but not “God” For example, Satan is a god. Hope this clears up any confusion.
@riikerman1 please read the word carefully
@riikerman1 I pray God reveals the truth to you
What is the meaning of Michael
who is like God
One who is like God
@@crisco777And only a son can be like his father
Chief Messenger who is like God= Arch/Angel/Micha/El
Jesus is Michael
Wouldn't that make the Apostle Paul an angel as well, since he was charged by Jesus as an Apostle to the Gentiles? He was, practically, sent by "Michael".
Obviously, people would say "No, you see in chapter..."
To that I'd reply, but thats not logic.
Agreed, he is using extremely faulty logic and has a fundamental misunderstanding of the bible.
Yes, it would make in the literal, original sense of the word, all messengers, including your local pastor, the disciples, Paul the apostle, the prophet John the Baptist into "angels". That's what the word means, "messenger". That's how translation from an original language works.
It is important to realize that words can have more than one meaning. We should not get stuck on the one perhaps more commonly used meaning, to discount or miss the other meaning and its occasional usage.
Let me illlustrate: Take the word "tub" in English. I might describe bathing in the tub. Let's suppose you are from another culture and use another language. You translate this in your language into a term similar to "bathtub". Now, in my future writings I will refer to going to a grocery store and buying a "tub" of ice cream. But not being familiar with my language, you might only know of the one meaning. You translate that in your language as "bathtub". You are wondering why is a grocery store selling bathtubs? Why am I buying so much ice cream? The word has another meaning, but because it is the same word, and you are caught giving it only one meaning, maybe even translating it by a word that overemphasizes or misses the more general meaning, you miss the intended meaning and misunderstand what is being said. Angel is that word in English. We have translated a more general word from the original languages into a word which we almost universally use only to apply to created "angelic" beings in English.
In the original languages the words "malak", and "ayyelos" mean messenger. It is a word applied to the order of beings which we call in our language "angels", but it also just means messenger in many passages of Scripture. It is used to describe human messengers, but is also used to describe a messenger who accepts worship and is thus Divine or is used to speak of Christ prophetically.
@@TheEverlastingCovenant-fw9yd Like an angel
Angels cannot be apostles. Only humans can.
Paul was a human chosen by Jesus to further Jesus' message among the nations.
Acts 9:15 But the Lord said to him: “Go! because this man is a chosen vessel to me to bear my name to the nations as well as to kings and the sons of Israel. 16 For I will show him plainly how many things he must suffer for my name.”
God SENDING one of his angel sons from heaven to become Jesus, and Jesus appointing Paul are two separate issues.
the difference is angels are SPIRITUAL messangers. spirits...not physical.@@TheEverlastingCovenant-fw9yd
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You know the saying study long, study wrong
Thank you 🙏 that was a great explanation ❤
John 1 v 1 shud read in the beginning was the word and word was with God ton Theon and the word Theos a god ? That how John 1 v 1 is surposed to read
Correct. If there is no 'the' in front of Theon/Theos, it's appropriate to translate it to 'a god' in John 1:1.
Thus, Logos is theos, but not ton theos the one talked about in Deu 6:4.
Acts 28:6 ; μεταβαλόμενοι, [having changed their opinion,] ἔλεγον [they began declaring] αὐτὸν [him] εἶναι [to be] θεόν. [ (a) god.]
@@maciiol2 yes it’s these trinity people I have had some body saying Jacob saw God face to face the word used though dos not mean face to face it’s genius 32 28 to 32 me thinks can you help him if you can ?
@@michaelhaigh9182 The holy spirit of God works alongside his agents, the angels, thus he can influence whatever outcome he so desires and can ultimatily take credit. It can then be said that Jacob wrestled with God, and saw his face, even though it was in fact just an angel. Hosea 12:3-5
It's also a rational explanation for the two YHWH's pressent when the destruction of Sodom & gommorah took place.
Gods person presides in heaven on his throne, (Psalm 11:4, 1 Kings 22:19, Acts 7:49)
But his active spirit can reach wherever in the cosmos he so desires. (1 Kings 8:27, Psalm 139:7-10)
The holy spirit is an it, not a person.
Isa 34:16 "Seek ye out of the book of Jehovah, and read: no one of these shall be missing, none shall want her mate; for my mouth, it hath commanded, and his Spirit, it hath gathered them."
Exodus 33:20, God says to Moses that no human being has ever seen him and lived. That includes Jacob.
Hope this is useful
Here in all the Bible is the best proof that Michael is Jesus.
Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
What brings the time of salvation? " Now is come salvation ... for the accuser of our brethren is cast down"
Who did this?
Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
And what is said about Michael the one that did this? "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ"
Who is Michael? Michael is Christ!
Michael is an angel, not Christ.
@@HearGodsWord I have learned a lot in the last 5 years.
48:15, 16 And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day, the Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.
The only personage that can redeem someone is Christ. And here he is referred to as an Angel with a capital A. I can show you that this Angel is The Angel of the LORD. And is also the i am that I AM. Why, because the i am is made in the express image of God the Father.
The following passages are before the creation.
1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
So these angels are not the angels you think they are.
1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
All these angels are from before the creation. And here they are.
4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
So he makes his angels spirits. But one of those spirits he makes better than the rest. And that is the Christ Angel/Spirit. Michael is one of those seven Spirits of God. And Michael means, "one whom is like unto God. As being in the express image of. And Michael is the Angel that has always dealt with Israel because Michael is the prince of Daniel's people as well as the great prince. In other words he is to be king of Israel.
However, after all that Jesus and Michael are not the same personage.
Jesus says.
14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Then the indwelling Father (of man) says.
14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
"the works that I do" means it is the indwelling Father that is now talking.
God the Father in heaven "made" Christ better than the rest and the Christ Spirit is the life and light of men. The Christ Spirit proceeded from the bosom of the Father. When the Christ Spirit breathed the breath of life into Adam he breathed part of himself into Adam. He indwelt Adam. The Christ Spirit made the entire universe. He is way larger than what can be contained in a human body. Elijah had one portion of the Spirit. Elias was granted two portions of the Spirit.
Long story short Michael is the anointed Spirit. Christ means anointed.
4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
This passage is spot on! The Lord is the Angel made better than the rest. That makes the Lord the chief Angel. Which means that the Lord is the highest Angel, the Archangel Michael.
@@michaelsherwin4449 there are several 'christ's' in the Bible because it's a title, but there's only one Jesus.
Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.
Jesus was given authority
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
vision of the authority.
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
Authority and kingdom handed back to the father.
Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.|For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.The last enemy to be destroyed is death.For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
@@HearGodsWord According to the Word, Jesus is an angel. "...even the Messenger(malak/ayyelos) of the Covenant, whom ye delight in ...." Words have multiple meanings. Angel simply means messenger. Jesus is not a created being. Jesus is not of the order of created beings that we commonly call angels. But that doesn't prove that He isn't an angel. He is expressly said to be an "angel" in Scripture. Young's literal translation renders Arch Angel---Chief Messenger. Jesus is certainly that. He is the embodiment of the greatest Message ever given, the Gospel. And the root of the first half of the word, Arch Angel is "Archon", meaning the Ruler. Jesus is the ruler over the angels. Exactly what the Capt. of the Host is in Joshua, and exactly the role being played by Michael in Rev. 12. A significant number of the early reformation leaders as well as some notable Protestant commentators have believed that the being described as Michael, is the same person as Jesus Christ. These included: John Calvin; Martin Luther; John Wesley; Matthew Henry; Adam Clarke; Francis Turretin; Charles Spurgeon; John Gill, etc.
Michael was Jesus’ name before he was sent to earth. This is something that we can reasonably conclude by examining the scriptures.
But I digress.
Is it too far fetched that before being sent to earth, Jesus’ name might have been Michael?
Jesus, who is the most important human to have ever walked the earth, is never mentioned by name in the ‘Old Testament’.
Isaiah 9:6 says of his name: “….and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” (King James)
He was assigned the name Jesus when he was born. Luke 1:31, Matthew 1:21,
And Immanuel at Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:23
Did you know, in Rev 3:12, after referring to His God 4 times, (Yes, Jesus has a God) Jesus receives a new name?
Rev 3:12 “Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.”
King James
No sir. Jesus is Revelation 14.14 and Michael is Revelation 14.16. He will help Christ reap the earth. He is Christ helper and did so before Daniel 10. 13-21 and contented for the body of Moses.
Jesus was one who fought the dragon in Revelation 12:7
@@victory5709Learn to accept YHWH who sent that angel Jesus
@adamlopez3561 Daniel 10 .13.....But lo, Michael ONE OF THE CHIEF PRINCES came to help me.... Here Christ is speaking to Daniel and he referenced Micheal.
How do we know for sure this is Jesus....by his bodily description and his apparel( Daniel 10.6 & Revelation 1.13.
@@victory5709 Accept YHWH as God and Jesus as an angel sent
No one can refutes the apostles when it comes about the deity of Jesus, since Jesus whispered to them, revealed to them the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, then instructs them to preach without speaking parables, @ Matthew, 10:26-28 , v,13:10-11 /Mark, 4:34, So, when they shout that Jehovah raised Jesus from the grave, and made him chiefprince! were they lied? Read Acts, 5:28-31, quoted from Deut, 32:39 /1st, Sam, 2:6-7 /2nd, Kings, 5:7, /Joshua, 5:14-15, and more if someone wish for,
Jesus is God by inherited name not literally God
Jesus is God, but not an angel
Sorry, Jesus isn’t God, nor equal to God. He called our God and Father his God and Father at John 20:17.
See also:
1 Corinthians 8:4-6
4 Now concerning the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world and that there is no God but one. 5 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
And……
John 17:3 “This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.”
The only true God…..
Jesus is the visible bodily form of the Father
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Something to think about:
What if…….
Jesus was created? What if, he is the firstborn of all creation (Colossians 1:15), repeated at
Rev 3:14 “To the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ceʹa write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God:”
Is Jesus not the Amen?
Proverbs 8:22 “Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago.”
Hmmm…..Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way…….
Who is the way?
John 14:6 “Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.””
If Proverbs 8:22 isn’t talking about Jesus, then who is it talking about?
Please continue with Proverbs 8:30 “Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;”
Who could this be?
It sounds like God the Father, Jehovah, who has no beginning, first created the son (see above), then, the son, being God’s master worker (Contractor, sub-contractor, as it were😀), created everything else.
John 1:3 “All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.”
I’m going to repeat Jesus’ words to Satan when he tried to tempt him at
Matthew 4:10 “Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’””
I reiterate, just as Jesus did,
“HIM ALONE YOU MUST RENDER SACRED SERVICE.”
True!. 'No man has SEEN God AT ANY TIME' (1 John 4:12,20) makes it clear that Jesus was never God.
@@tongakhan230 man has seen God's bodily form
@@unmeritedfavour48 : Please let me know what 'AT ANY TIME' means?
Bro 😂 how "Jesus" is the incarnation of Michael???? Aren't they eternal???. In Daniel 12 says That the Prince Michael WILL RAISE!.
Daniel 12 says that Michael will "stand up". The first part of Daniel 12 is a continuation of the prophecy of Daniel 11, which describes kings standing up in the Kingdom (ruling empire) of this world. To Stand Up meaning to rise in rank or to go forth in military conquest to take the Kingdom, assert dominion and to reign over the world. (not to resurrect) This is one of the best evidences that Christ is Michael, because it is Christ that is to reign over the world ultimately. The Kingdom of this world shall become the Kingdom of our God and of His Christ. (Note this is Christ after the incarnation, for it is in the line of David that Christ is to rule upon the throne, forever and ever.)
Christ as Michael is Arch Angel meaning that He is ruler over the angels. He is not of the order of created beings which we commonly call angels. Hebrews 2 tells us Christ did not take the nature of angels, but human nature in the line of Abraham. Thus He became our substitutionary sacrifice, dying for the sins of the world. Nevertheless, neither angelic nature, nor human is naturally immortal. The fallen angels will be destroyed, as all enemies of God shall be. The last enemy to be done away with being death itself. See 1 Cor. 15.
1:34 wrong.
Michael, Gabriel, Ariel, Uriel, Palomni and Raphael are under God just as the ANgel of teh Lord is under god, not under Jesus.
In other words, if Michael bows the knee then he has committed idolatry because he has worship a man (son of man -- Jesus) instead of God.
Also the name of Michael means someone who is like god without a question mark. Michael is chief of teh ANgels. Michael is a Ruler, a Great Ruler or Prince and guardian angel of Israel.
If Jesus is God then why did he pray to God... There is only one God, and that is the Father in heaven...
See the below:
www.str.org/w/the-trinity-explains-this-
www.str.org/w/jesus-prayed-to-a-person-not-a-nature
Archangel is the chair of angels
How is Jesus an angel alpha omega kink of kings messenger life and death kreator lamb of God etc at once? How can Abraham speak to Jesus and call him God and at the same time be an angel😂😂😂 read your bible and stop talking none sens .
Galatians 4:14 Jesus is a mere angel sent from heaven
Yeah Bart Ehrman wrote about this. But in addition Daniel 12:1,2 very literally describes Michael as the great prince who stands for God’s people during the resurrection. The Gospel says it’s Jesus. It’s not hard to see that they are one and the same
Mat 13:41 The Son of man (JESUS) shall send forth HIS ANGELS, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: MICHAEL and HIS ANGELS fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
JESUS = HIS ANGELS
MICHAEL = HIS ANGELS
JESUS = MICHAEL
VERY SIMPLE LOGIC
if you want to use that logic,
there are scriptures, referring to GOD and his angels:
All “his angels” praise him, all his heavenly host… Ps. 148:4
he will command
“his angels” concerning you, to guide you in all your ways. Ps 91:11
If “God” places no trust in his servants, if he charges “his angels”with error… Job 4:18
(these are just a few)
so does that mean God the father is Michael the Archangel as well?
@@lisastevens9278
Poor Logic
Angels were " CREATED".... to worship
So the chief is under the chief????
makes no sense-right ? Michael another chief/boss angel under JESUS wo is the chief/boss of angels
Everyone is under God. Jesus is God so it make sense.
I thought trinitarians loved logical fallacies
@@truthseeker8118 No its doesn't make sense because God is not chief of the Angels he's their God just like he's our God
@@DM-rh4ev Jesus is Jehovah
Yes,he is.Michael Angel is in God's Realm.He later born on earth to provide justice to people on earth.
He has different names in human body before as Lord when he born.
All name is one.Loed Jesus,Lord Shiva,Lord Buddha,Prophet Mohammed,Lord Vishnu,Lord Ram and Lord Krishna when he born thousands of time on earth.
@@unmeritedfavour48 : Where then was Jesus born?
Luke 2:7 And she (Mary) gave birth to her son (Jesus), the firstborn, and she wrapped him in strips of cloth and laid him in a manger,
@@unmeritedfavour48 :(John 6:42) And they began saying: “Is this not Jesus the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?”
(Galatians 4:4) But when the full limit of the time arrived, God SENT HIS SON, who was born of a woman and who was under law,
Jesus was BORN on earth as a human. He had been CREATED long ago by God in heaven.
Proverbs 8:22 CEB
The Lord created me at the beginning of his way, before his deeds long in the past.
Please don't give jesus these Muhammad names
Hebrews 1
5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again:
“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all the angels of God worship Him.
The writer of Hebrews is asking a rhetorical question. The answer is "NEVER" God never called an angel His firstborn son.. That is the point of the text, that Jesus is Greater than all the angels and that He is to be Worshipped.
Does this mean that Paul was comparing God to angels? Why bring angels into the picture?
@@tongakhan230 there is no need to compare God with angels, those are His creation. But when Jesus was on earth, became flesh through the birth through Mary, He lowered Himself from His former glory in heaven, read Phillipians 2.5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
@@kevinjackson2361 : There! The answer is staring everyone in the face.
Phil 2:6 who, being IN THE FORM OF GOD, did not consider it ROBBERY to be EQUAL with God,
Though that translation makes no sense. It still shows that Jesus didn't try to ROB EQUALITY with God. IF Jesus was God, there is no need for 'FORM of God' or 'EQUAL to God' or 'ROBBERY' involved.
Jesus was an ANGEL. Angels are in the FORM of God. They, like God, are SPIRIT BEINGS.
Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all SPIRITS for holy service, sent out to minister for those who are going to inherit salvation?
John 4:24 God is a SPIRIT, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.”
Why is verse 9 always ignored?
(Philippians 2:9) For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,
Please explain who the God who gave Jesus a lift up in status was?
And, if Jesus was as one claims, already Almighty God, what is he now after a promotion? GREATER than ALMIGHTY?
Won't work will it. Jesus was an ANGEL SON OF GOD. Simple and straightforward.
'To WHICH of the ANGELS did God say..' - Hebrews 1:5,13 is VERY CLEAR. Jesus was chosen from among the ANGEL SONS OF GOD.
@@tongakhan230 You are quite confused my friend, it seems you did not read my explanation of the text, if you had only a thimble full of knowledge about the Greek, you would understand that the writer was saying that God never called an angel His son...that's the point, it is showing the superiority of Jesus to the angels. And the angels are told to worship Him, (Jesus) the only one deserving worship is God, remember what Jesus said to Satan when He was tempting Jesus? Thou shall only worship the Lord thy God and only Him shall you serve. If you have further questions fell free to respond
@@tongakhan230The part you are missing about Phillipians 2:9 is ,there is no "Other" in the text, the Watchtower organization added the word other. Look in your own Kingdom interlinear, the word "other" is not in the text...that means Jesus' name is above all names.
9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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MICHAEL IS JESUS
Yes cause he is. Read Daniel 12:1 and Revelation chapter 12 that talks about Michael and HIS angels fought with the dragon and his angels. There is only one entity that can have his own angels. God himself, who is Jesus. Extremely easy to understand. Not a JW thing either. I literally can't believe people are STILL debating over this.
You just said the dragon has angels?
@@Jesusluvsmeandyouyes the fallen angels
@@Jesusluvsmeandyou Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.
Jesus was given authority
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
vision of the authority.
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
Authority and kingdom handed back to the father.
Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.|For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.The last enemy to be destroyed is death.For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
All angels are God's sons (cf Job 1:6). However Michael is the Leader of God's faithful angels. Satan is leader of the rebel angels.
Jesus is one of God's angels. Thus, Jesus cannot be God.
if Jesus is God then why did he pray to God if he is God?
Jesus is Adam? Our human father.
Hmmm
Jesus is the LAST ADAM. Adam's EQUAL. Adam is dead.
@tongakhan230 the ultimate adam
@@StellaLunora : 1 Corinthians 15:45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The LAST ADAM (ie Jesus) became a life-giving spirit.
It depends if you think by the term "Michael the Archangel" is meant to describe a being of the order of created beings that we commonly call angels. The term archangel doesn't have to mean that at all. Jesus is not a created angel. Jesus is the eternal, divine Son of God. But Young gives the literal translation of ArchAngel, "Chief Messenger". And he is correct. Secondly, Jesus is actually called an angel in Malachi 3: "...even the messenger(malak/ayyelos) of the covenant, whom ye delight in...". Furthermore, a being described as "the angel of the Lord", is described as "the Lord" and accepts worship in the OT. Thirdly; the first part of Archangel comes from the root word, "Archon", which means Ruler. In other words, Arch Angel, actually means "Chief of the Angels".
Sorry but the bible says jesus was clearly created. and jesus did not ever accept anyones worship.... Matt 4:10 - Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Then Yeshua said to him, “Depart Satan, for it is written: 'You shall worship THE LORD JEHOVAH your God and him alone shall you serve.' “
@@indiegamesonly6617 Dear friend, I trust you are sincere. With all due respect, let me point out that your text doesn’t say anything about Jesus being created, neither can it demonstrate that Jesus never accepted worship. I am going to now share with you seven passages from the Scriptures which demonstrate that Jesus is Divine and that He accepted worship, some from the same gospel of Matthew which you have cited. I hope that you will read carefully and accept what God in the Holy Scriptures says about His Son, Yeshua, or as we transliterate his name from Greek, Jesus Christ.
Firstly, in Jeremiah we are told that when Messiah, who was Jesus Christ, comes, “This is the name whereby He shall be called “Jehovah Tsidkenu”.
Secondly, Matt. 28 tells us that there is only one name shared by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, “baptizing them in the name (singular) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”
Thirdly, Joshua bows down and worships the angel of the Lord, the Captain of the Lord’s host (literally “Sar Saba”, the Prince of the Host, also mentioned in Daniel’s prophecy) having been told, just as when previously a divine being appeared to Moses in the burning bush, to “take your shoes off of your feet”, for the place you are standing on is “holy ground”. Joshua 5:13-15. BTW, Michael is described as the “First of the Chief Princes” in Daniel 10:13, and is described in the role of commander of the hosts of God in Revelation 12. Both of these facts strongly indicate that it is Christ is the same Person described as “Michael”.
Fourthly, in Revelation, when John bows to an angel, this created angel tells him not to do it, but to worship God, but in John 20:28, when Thomas, who previously had doubted, finally reaches his hand out and feels Christ’s wounds, he worships Him, exclaiming “My Lord and My God”. BTW, the other disciples who didn’t doubt, recognizing already that by His resurrection, Jesus had been demonstrated to be the Divine Son of God with authority (Rom. 1:4) had already worshipped Jesus. See Matt. 28:16-17.
Fifthly, in Hebrews 1 we recall Paul challenges his readers, who it seems were in danger of underestimating Christ’s position and nature, asking “unto which of the angels said He at any time, “Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten Thee”. The answer is never. He never said such a thing to a created angel. He only said that to Christ, because Christ is the “only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” John 1:14 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life”. John 3:16
Sixthly, then Paul reminds us that unto the Son, Jesus Christ, the following words are addressed, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; the sceptre of Thy Kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou has loved righteousness and hated iniquity, therefore God, even Thy God, hath anointed Thee with the oil of gladness above Thy fellows.” If your point is that Jesus has a God, you are correct. Jesus told Mary to tell the disciples concerning His Father, that He was going to “ascend….to my God and to your God”. But that is the point, in Paul’s citing, Psalm 45. There are two persons described in the passage. Both are Divine. Both are called “God”.
Finally, in prophesying of Jesus’ birth in Bethlehem, Micah the prophet declares, “But Thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Israel, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel, (note this last phrase) whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” If Christ is from everlasting then He cannot be created, for then He would have had a beginning and thus not have been “from everlasting”. According to this prophecy Jesus has existed from all eternity.
@@TheEverlastingCovenant-fw9yd 1, jesus has literally never been called ANY version of Jehovah, if he had you'd cite the scripture and verse.
2, Matt 28:19 does NOT say "there s only one name shared by the father son and holy spirit" YOU added that to make your flawed argument work. what it ACTUALLY says is " Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit," IN THE NAME OF means ON BEHALF OF. i dont know who taught you how to study but this isnt it.
if i said "STOP IN THE NAME OF THE LAW" you think im saying the law has a name??
"in the name of" means "with the authority" or "on behalf of"
he was telling his followers to go make other followers with the authority of God, Jesus and the holy spirit. not " we all have one name" i dont even know how you could come to that conclusion.
3, joshua most certainly did not worship an angel.. im starting to see the problem here.. the problem is you do zero amounts of actual study and dont fact check anything you read.
Joshua fell face down in REVERANCE not worship. there is a huge difference. i am surprised you dont know the difference between respect and worship.
Josh 5:14 - Young's Literal Translation
And He saith, 'No, for I am Prince of Jehovah's host; now I have come;' and Joshua falleth on his face to the earth, and doth obeisance, and saith to Him, 'What is my Lord speaking unto His servant?'
josh 5:14 - Majority Standard Bible
“Neither,” He replied. “I have now come as Commander of the LORD’s army.” Then Joshua fell facedown in reverence and asked Him, “What does my Lord have to say to His servant?”
Josh 5:14 - Literal Standard Version
And He says, “No, for I [am] Prince of YHWH’s host; now I have come”; and Joshua falls on his face to the earth, and pays respect, and says to Him, “What is my Lord speaking to His servant?”
Josh 5:14 - Christian Standard Bible
“Neither,” he replied. “I have now come as commander of the LORD’s army.” Then Joshua bowed with his face to the ground in homage and asked him, “What does my lord want to say to his servant? ”
Josh 5:14 - New Living Translation
“Neither one,” he replied. “I am the commander of the LORD’s army.” At this, Joshua fell with his face to the ground in reverence. “I am at your command,” Joshua said. “What do you want your servant to do?”
Josh 5:14 New International Version
“Neither,” he replied, “but as commander of the army of the LORD I have now come.” Then Joshua fell facedown to the ground in reverence, and asked him, “What message does my Lord have for his servant?”
lets see what the actual original language is.
shachah: to bow down
Original Word: שָׁחָה
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: shachah
Phonetic Spelling: (shaw-khaw')
Definition: to bow down
bow (5), bow ourselves down (1), bow yourselves down (1), bow down (21), bowed (16), bowed in worship (1), bowed themselves down (2), bowed down (14), bowing (1), bowing down (1), bows down (1), did homage (1), down in homage (1), homage (1), lie down (1), paid homage (3), prostrate (2), prostrated (13), prostrating (1), weighs it down (1), worship (47), worshiped (31), worshiping (3), worships (2)
@@TheEverlastingCovenant-fw9yd Does the word translated worship always indicate the same intensity as when clearly directed to YHWH? No it does not. The same word is used when Bowing to a human king
are you Worshiping a king when you bow down to him upon first meeting? no its a sign of respect. do you worship someoen in japan when you bow to each other? no its a sign of respect and culture.
there is no where in the bible where any one worships an angel. i urge you to do more study on this.
4: SOME bibles render it "one of the chief princes" there is ONE archangel. The prefix “arch,” meaning “chief” or “principal,” implies that there is only one archangel, the chief angel; in the Scriptures, “archangel” is never found in the plural. in speaking of the preeminence of the archangel and the authority of his office, does so in reference to the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.” It is, therefore, not without significance that the only name directly associated with the word “archangel” is Michael.
The exact same verbage is used everywhere else
dan 12:1 - Berean Standard Bible
“At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time. But at that time your people-everyone whose name is found written in the book-will be delivered.
as i said before there is never a time when multiple archangels are mentioned. and only badly translated bibles say "one of the chief princes"
The name Michael is of Hebrew origin and means “who resembles God” or “gift from God.” who else could fit that description other than jesus? the angels were not gifts from god, we KNOW jesus was a gift from god. and we know Jesus was created directly from god alone. so from that we know that michael is in fact Jesus.
Jesus IS a created being, the bible tells you this clearly.
john 3:16 - For God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, so that everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life.
(typically of a man, sometimes of a man and a woman) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.
ADJ: brought into existence by or as if by a parent
To be created by another.
Prov 8:22 - Aramaic Bible in Plain English
LORD JEHOVAH created me at the beginning of his creation and from before all his works.
proverbs 8:23
I was formed long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
prov 8:24
I was born before the oceans were created, before the springs bubbled forth their waters.
Prov 8:25 - before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth,
Prov 8:30 - Then I was beside Him as a master craftsman; And I was daily His delight, Rejoicing always before Him,
If that doesnt describe jesus as being created, then i dont know what does.
thomas was not calling jesus God when he said "my lord and My god" there are many different uses for "god" even roman emperors were called gods. thomas was not calling Jesus ALMIGHTY god, god just means "powerful person" which jesus is.
theos: God, a god
Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Definition: God, a god
Usage: (a) God, (b) a god, generally.
Definition
God, a god
Jesus is directly under god in terms of power, so this term fits, not to be confused with ALMIGHTY god.
Romans 1:4 does not say anything about worship, there is no scripture in the bible that says jesus was ever worshipped..
Romans 28:17 - Weymouth New Testament
There they saw Him and prostrated themselves before Him. Yet some doubted.
World English Bible
When they saw him, they bowed down to him; but some doubted.
Young's Literal Translation
and having seen him, they bowed to him, but some did waver.
Prostrating is not worshiping... paying homage is not worship.. there is a huge difference. showing revernece for someone is not worship.
Respectfully you seem to have a gross misunderstanding of almost everything you are reading..
Hebrews 1:-5 is explaining that JESUS is the one in question, he is saying " to whome else " have said these things. you dont seem to understand that jesus WAS THE BEGOTTEN ONE
Matt 3:17 - And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
Who do you think this is talking about? a random angel?? why is it so hard to accept that jesus was a created being named michael the archangel, who came to earth, was named jesus, Died, then assumed a position higher than when he left heaven?? i dont understand why that is so diffuclt. these verses pretty much tell you exactly that.
heb 1:4 LITERALLY TELLS YOU he BECAME higher heb 1:4 - Berean Standard Bible
So He became as far superior to the angels as the name He has inherited is excellent beyond theirs.
i feel like you dont understand that jesus had a rank increase becaue of his deeds... he was the chief angel... whom god created everything through... then when he died and came back, god rewarded him with much more responsibility and station.. why is this difficult to understand?
he is no longer an archangel, he is something more, he was always the son of god, the first born of all creation col 1:15 - New International Version
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Jesus did not have the responsibility for rescuing humanity at the time of his creation becaue humans had not sinned, so there was none of this responsibility to even give.
im not even going to address the rest of it because ive already answered it in the above parts.. "God" just means powerful person.. not every single instance of "Lord" or "God" in the bible is talking about the almighty god. i could be the God of chess. that doesnt make me the almighty god. satan is called the god of this sytem. clearly he is not Almighty god. your arguments do not make any sense.
well "from everlasting to everlasting" means a very long time. you are thinking like a human, i feel like the nuance of languages escapes you at times... Everlasting to everlasting can mean a very long time. OR it can sometimes mean forever. so in order to find out.. you have to use your brain a bit, and do some research. there are a bunch of places we can see that jesus WAS CREATED, so you can not say jesus did not have a beginning because that is clearly false.
1, John 3:16 - Begotten = Created by another
2, Col 1:15 - FIRST BORN of all creation
3, prov 8:22 - Jehovah CREATED me, gave birth to me, brought me forth, etc.
how much evidecne do you need?
YES ...
Jesus = Michael
Jesus is not God
just a man
To believe that Michael the archangel is jut another /boss of angels - have no bible support for such belief.to believe that Michael & JESUS are the same person can be supported by the bible-except when it comes to say Michael is a angel and was created-there I no bible prove for it. that believe is just a myth-a erroneous idea.
Yes he is correct
7th day Adventist believes that Jesus is Michael the archangel also..... true!
I kind of think Daario Naharis is Euron Greyjoy. The time line is fuzzy, but it does fit pretty well.
Also, Mr. Martin may have fuzzied the time line on purpose.
Jesus is Jesus, Michael is Michael, this is not in any way fuzzy or unclear.
If Jehovah Witnesses want to ponder the the Holy Bible as an epic novel, and share theories like in Game of Thrones fans in forums... So be it.
If they don't believe that the Holy Bible is holy, so be it.
If nobody but Jehovah Witnesses take the Jehovah Witness version of religion seriously, so be it.
See how nobody is killing anyone?
It's okay to disagree on religion.
It's okay to disagree with somebody else's version.
Also, I put more thought and effort into this post, than you did into this video you made.
I mention this because it seems to be your norm.
You talk about something very near and dear to many people without much forethought.
You talk about things which are sacred in a casual passing way.
I don't respect you.
I don't like you.
I think you're representative of the inner bitch that makes up modern day Christians.
Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus ever state that he's the Alpha and Omega. The spurious text at Revelation 1:11 stating Jesus as the Alpha and Omega was omitted in recognition of being spurious. In some modern translations. Revelation 1:8 where God's name is properly placed, it opens up at its premise that Jehovah is the Alpha, Omega and using pronouns, the vernacular referring back to him as so. that's it. end of the subject. If you take a look at Isaiah 9:6 it's ladder portion says Jesus will be a a PRINCELY ruler. We don't need to Define what a prince is. Only creature that exists in the heavens referred to as Prince are the heavens angels Daniel 10:13So we tie in Jesus as a king Prince or King Angel. Does the Bible ever mention a King Angel? yes. revelation 9:11 it talks about the king Angel of the Abyss who was given a KEY which symbolizes Authority and do remember. Jesus was given "all authority in Heaven and Earth" which is inclusive of the ABYSS Matthew 28:18 which is no other than, Jesus Christ. Jehovah God our Grand Creator cannot be given Authority, underscore, given Authority. Jehovah can't be given Authority, we couldn't say it enough. He always had it Isaiah 33:22 Some religions state Revelation 9:11 is referring to Satan. This is not true. Revelation 20: 1-3 shows the same angel of Revelation 9:11 he has the KEY of the Abyss yes, the same angel of Revelation 9:11 once again with the KEY which means Authority. This Angel chains Satan and threw him into the Abyss. Obviously, it is not the devil. You heard the truth, be humb,land accept. Being fulfilled in our time Daniel 12:4 Matthew 24:14 Romans 10:13 - 15 Isaiah 43:10 Jeremiah 31:31 acts.5:42
If the word (God's son, the firstborn of all creation, and 'a God') was with Him in the beginning...who was He with? WHO WAS HE WITH??
Who was He with when GOD ALMIGHTY said "let US make man in OUR image" Clue is in the question.