REAL AMP vs PLUGIN: Jeff Loomis Reacts
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- Опубліковано 14 січ 2021
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Hey guys Joey here, just gonna leave my thoughts on this video. I like this video because I think it draws a line in the sand for two types of people, people who are already satisfied with existing tone creation methods ($1500 amp, $350 cab, mixing techniques, etc) and then people who want tone to evolve into something not possible with those setups. If you prefer the plugin, you are likely someone looking for tone to evolve. If you prefer the album tone in this example, there’s great stuff out there that can get you that sound. Toneforge has NEVER attempted to replace hardware nor emulate it. We are just here to help tone evolve.
thank you joey. your innovations are welcomed. bus glue was a life changer for me
I'm all for innovation honestly. It ends up being more practical in all senses if I can record at 4am in my bedroom as loud as I can (with headphones) instead of either having to make some sort of box to mic in or have to have a separate room to record with real amps. Also the investment in the plugins + DAW is far less than a regular amp + cab
This is the most pretentious things ever lol
*Rolls eyes in Spanish*
@@geoffpeters5802 Calm down boomer, no one is going to take your Marshall cab away from you
I'm loving Jeff sitting there like a Greek sculpture, lol. what a cool man!
That riff is going to be etched in my brain now
Imagine being able to quad track guitars that tight. Jeff probably did it all in one take too.
Well I’m sure it’s quantized
@@xdocfearx7329 probably, but i'm sure jeff is capable of playing that tight
@@larskronke probably, dude is insanely talented. Watch the video of him watching covers of his songs. Some dude shreds and he hears the one slightly sharp note and mentions it lol
@@xdocfearx7329 i watched the video too and was wandering about the same thing.
@@xdocfearx7329 Ummm no... If you look closely, the audio spectres of all the tracks have a lot of different patterns and volumes (dynamics). The sound would be much "artificial" if you quantize. This is "the real deal bro"
Jeff is such an underrated rhythm/riff player. He can shred, sure. But the rhythm riffs he comes up with...
I'm actually surprised to read this (although now you say it, it's very believable) because Jeff's biggest influence on me was certainly his riff writing and his articulation on playing them - how he uses accents and mutes to make riffs dynamic even when they're straight rhythms made a permanent change to how I write and perform metal rhythm parts
That may also be because I'm a bassist first, so all of his lead playing was a thousand leagues above what I could do 😂
Oh hell yeah, Jeff is in that elite league of players like Van Halen, Dimebag or Chuck Schuldiner who are/were constantly pushing the boundaries in both lead and rhythm. An absolutely amazing guitarist.
@@gringochucha Per Nilsson
He's not underrated.
So glad I got this plugin. It's basically sounding awesome out of the box and the sound *inspires* to play. Love it!
i remember watching a video of Jeff playing a vintage fender with single coils a 50 something with high gain, wow sounded so good
3:24 Oh man, I don't know why but this reminded me when I had to do some school project, and my dad would help me, hahahaha.
Inspiring vids guys. Love the new plug-in. When is the new solo album due out Mr. Loomis?
Man, love these series of vids with Jeff, one of my favourite guitarists of all time (big Nevermore fan here). The Toneforge sounds mean! I'm buying for sure.
Few plugins have the capability of tone matching and with a little tweaking you'll get the identical tone. I did this so many times and on a blind test, no one can tell the difference. 😎
Sir Jeffery always has the most precise playing
I’m listening on AirPods so take it with a grain of salt, but the original re-amp has this mid-range kind of hiss that’s pretty irritating compared to the superior (IMO) tone they finally put together at the end. Pretty amazing. Crazy tight playing, too.
Was thinking the same. The original sounds a bit "nasal", if that makes sense
Me listening through my phone speaker 👁👄👁
As legendary of a producer as Joey already is, he still looked a bit nervous sitting next to Jeff Loomis, which I totally get and totally love :D
That's the tightest quad tracking I've ever heard.
I'm assuming that it was just a DI double reamped 2 different times
@@AlexOwensmusic Well nope, just look at the DI waves, they're all different from each other, this means that they're 4 different takes. Maybe he took the L/R stems and saved in a single stereo track just to save on CPU and number of plugins to use. Simply Jeff is a monster :)
You haven’t hear Meshuggah quads soloed. They are the kings of that shit.
@@jasonanderson8102 I usually don't even count them because we all know they're on another level hahahah
@@jasonanderson8102 Ive not heard a great deal by them, I'll certainly check them out.
This is crazy. I love that song too!!
Sick sounding plugins!
I have to say for me this is the perfect set up for the tones i like. The best rythm tone, the best lead tone and the best clean tone, im not saying it just because im a fan of jeff loomis. Im saying it because this was my ideal tone for metal. For others it might be different depending on your tastes. this was just perfect for me and my personal tastes.
awesome riff
This sounds Great! Have this Plugin and think it's really one of my favorites so far.
Couple questions, Would the interface used for the direct input help get JEFF'S Tones VS. the Reamp tracks?
What type of Interface was used to get JEFF'S DI's in this?
Using a transparent direct input box is the best way to capture the guitar for Toneforge.
@@joeymusic what's your recommendation on your picks on Transparent direct boxes you like, I'm using a Antelope OrionStudio 2017 right now?
Thanks for the input.
@@chadr1003 The Warm Audio DI boxes are great. So is the CountryMan 85.
I don’t know which is more difficult, Jeff’s playing or understanding that computer madness 😂
Very cool!!
sounds good.. but he loaded a mono version of the plugin on a stereo DI with L+R , does it still process both DIs?
- sounds mono..
In Pro Tools, if you insert certain amp sims on a stereo track as a "multichannel" insert, I've found that it will only "listen" to the left track for some reason, and represent it for you in mono (as in, the left channel alone and panned center). That's what this plug-in was doing as well, but if you instead choose "multi-mono", it treats it properly and processes each channel independently, hard panned, as if there are two amps running. It's definitely not playing back in mono.
Incredible
Isn't he a Revv artist now? I'm surprised he didn't choose the Revv on this, but then again I heard he's always been a Recto/5150 guy in studio even when he was endorsed with Engl and Krank.
Yeah I learned a long time ago that what an artist uses live or endorses has almost no bearing on what gets used in the studio. They are going to use what gets the best sound no matter what.
@@danpetersonmusic I think its the case especially like Randall/Krank/Revv that would get loads of artists at once but I see their IGs and they use none of the amps they endorse.
should try to use the same cabinet
the real amp takes have recordings of some room ambience, coming together to make what sounds like a chorus effect when you listen to the sound in mono. the software version doesnt have that so it sounds like only 2 tracks instead of 4. which is better? depends on how dry of a sound you want. but this really shows how important speakers are to shaping a guitar tone
Jeff Loomis has got quite possibly the next metal defining guitar tone after Dimebag did in the '90s (yes, I know Jeff was also a guitar monster from the '90s)
Chugga chug chug chug chugga chug 🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽
This is tight indeed
Jeff, I have to be honest, it's about that time to grow that beard out. 💪🤘
I liked the one at 3:34!
Same, when he moved passed that I nearIy cringed. maybe it feIt dated or something. But it sure sounded Iike peopIe wouId rise from their coffins, maybe even ashes.
Do you know what string gauge he used for the low B when he recorded that DI signal? I have Jeffs signature 7 string but the low b (62 gauge) always rattles.
Look up Jeff Loomis Tone on UA-cam and watch Ola's video. He says the lowest string is an 80.
I think it's often easier to spot the differences under a master
What’s the outro song?
Your timing couldn't be better.. I'm quad tracking for the first time, for a record, aaand now you upload this.
Once again, thanks for the content - you only make me more desperate to fix my DAW's latency issue, so I can get this plugin and hear myself play while recording!
Lower your buffer rate to 64 or 128 samples.
@@joeymusic been re-trying, but if I go with the default ASIO driver, I can’t bring the buffer rate that low (I still get thrown off by the delay at the lowest setting).
If I choose my device’s (Focusrite Scarlett) driver, I can’t pick my speakers as the output source ☹️
@@bcbitchkkv Turn on the MONITOR sign, its usually off. It should look like this: 🔉
But how does it sit in the mix? All the demo’s I have heard didn’t really cut through. I know you guy’s could do it better. I want that Arch Enemy in your face sound.
wow
Those DI tracks. 😳
The plugin sounds great! But I do prefer the mids from the real amp. The plugin is too scooped for my taste. I like that wet mids of the amp. Maybe some more mids dialed in and other cab IRs would do the trick.
Scoop vs not scoop is just a difference of EQ
@@joeymusic absolutely! And it's a subjective thing. I need to get my hands on it to play around myself.
Agreed
@@joeymusic Yeah i'm not a proponent of "real amps are better than digital" I only use an axefx these days and I love it. It was an observation of the sounds. The preset sound sounded a bit more compressed with less definition in the mids and highs.
Ultimately I have no idea which would work better in the mix as you didn't show that but they both sound great. I just think one sounds overly compressed for my taste
but was the "real" amp properly dialed in? i want to see this guy dialing in the real one
I prefer the old sound.
Nice. That means you don’t want tone technology to evolve because that tone is based on ancient electronics. Nothing wrong with it, it is what it is!!
@@joeymusic I'm just saying I like the older sound better than the new one he made, it sounds more "blended" to my ears, some kind of warmness? I don't know, just saying I prefer the second sound than the first. I'm saying I like the sound of the recorded amps, not ancient technology.
@@dutelatte2154 I feel it bro both sound great but the real amp fills a room a little different. C;
@@dutelatte2154 I think the Toneforge (DI)one sounds warmer and more meaty than the real amp one, which has a slightly higher top end... Either way both sound great to me and would totally work on a finished album...
@@azrael666ethereal Yes of course, to me it sounds harsher and less blended but of course if you mix it with drums, bass, voice etc, what matters is the final result.
i thought you were gigachad in the beginning LMAO
THAT TONE IT'S HEAVY AS A FUCK
I'm just a simple man with a simple thought: Jeff is the ultimate God. the ultimate God.
The amp still sounds better, no digital fizz.
Looming loomis
f'k, what human actually plays this tight on quad tracks? lol!!
Who said Jeff is human? lmao
James Hetfield used to track up to eight guitars and without any computer technology.
Screaming metal, it was great in high school. But id rathe hear notes. Unstead of lots of distortion.
Um, I hear notes....
Then listen to something else?
Jeff is a cool man and ultimate guitar hero
I have this . Best $100 I’ve ever spent
to "echo"-ish like a can reverb on the plugin... not tight
Sounds absolutely disgusting in the best possible way. I will definitely be picking this up within the month. I can always use more tools in the tone toolbox.
Jeff is now sick of that riff. Lol.
I dont why people like you get this guy jeff loomis he can make the shittiest amp sound like too shelf boutique
Tight riffing.
Sounds like a zoom pedal but a tad better.
yeah use the plugin, click your way through. I prefer to play my way through with an amp.
Yup dude same here. I tried and tried to use this new stuff I spent to much time tweaking the tones. Its endless possibilities but that for me is not fun. I got my amps and guitars im good
5150
$99 vs $3000....um, yeah tough decision.
It all depends
AAARRROON
Amp better 🤘🤘
too muck 4k
Eq it out
Nunca jamas en la historia sera mejor un pluggin de $10,000,000 que el sonido de el carton de un speaker con un mic enfrente, saludos !!!!!
Real amp sounds much better
Всё равно г...о плагин😜
пиши гавно, они русский не понимают
So Jeff comes in and plays stuff and Joey records it all and then tweaks it to what He likes? And Jeff is ok with it? He looked lost. I don't get that. If i had a tone i wanted and liked i wouldn't let someone else come in and digitally tweak my stuff and say this is better. I think i am just more of a real amp person and if you can't get that tone.. keep trying and searching. Not making it digital. Maybe i'm just a relic.
You realize the digital tone is literally based and IR'd off the original tones Jeff provided them? Lmao...so it's not fake. They're just comparing to the more in room sound.
This is hilarious, not even close to the original tone! It does not sound better breh
Thanks for sharing that. Sounds like amps are still the right choice for you then!
HONESTLY WHAT A LACK OF COMMON SENSE, YOU COULD DUPLICATE THE SAME PART AND HAVE BOTH (REAL AMP AND PLUGIN) PLAYING THE SAME PART TO REALLY COMPARE BETTER!!!
Nope 👎🏼
Sounds compressed as FUCK.