Ha! 👍👈I have had clients request a cot... I say, "You can bring anything you carry!" More, how about the custom gear request O got for a message-table built-into a backpack... 😐 I love the unconventional approach! (And thanks for moving the mic away from the lights, A++ production!!)
Not sure if anyone cares but if you are stoned like me during the covid times you can stream pretty much all of the latest series on Instaflixxer. Been binge watching with my gf for the last couple of weeks xD
I bikepack camp and have been happily using the Helinox Lite for more than 2 years now. I get incredibly good sleep giving massive energy for each day's ride and hiking.
I am 54 years old now. When I was a kid, I was really into outdoor activities, hiking, & camping. Adult life interfered with all of that, but along the way, I became a Firefighter. Getting DRESSED became a matter of no less than 67 pounds before even picking up a tool or humping hose/ladders (and we usually had had to carry at least a couple of tools). Now that my line duties are subsiding and I'm working full-time at a fire training institution, I find myself having the time and interest to get back into backpacking, camping, and survival prepping. I really appreciate videos like this one because the rucking/camping gear has evolved a bit, and I need new knowledge. I am FASCINATED to hear the entire community talking about the importance of shedding mere OUNCES from the hump when, for many years, I was simply expected to carry whatever weight was assigned to me, even when our staffing kept shrinking. I am eagerly dumping my old "knowledge" in favor of new.
I carried two water gallon jugs on my first backpacking trip and all canned food. Needless to say, I didn't know what I was doing. I think my pack weighed 60 pounds at least. My last trip had a total pack weight of 25 pounds. Lightest pack I've ever had. I would definitely carry a cot. I have children. Little ones. If I go backpacking for a weekend I need to be able to sleep. I rate comfortable sleep as my number one priority when I'm backpacking. I'm saying this after 20 years experience
Great video. I’m just sorting through my gear for my annual 8 day backcountry solo canoe trip. I usually hammock but want to try a light weight single tent this year but was struggling over what to sleep on. I have several air pads but at my age rolling over and getting to my feet in the morning is a challenge. I picked up a similar cot on Amazon that weighs in at 3 pounds that I thought I would try. Just set everything up on the deck to check for fit. My wife thought I was nuts but I think I’m going to give it a try. After packing it all up I found your video; it just reinforced that this combo might work for me. All together, the tent, quilt, and cot weight 12 oz. less than my hammock kit. Thanks for the insight. FYI - long time subscriber and really enjoy your videos.
I love mine. I use a gossamer gear thin light pad for extra comfort. I also have the helinox high cot I keep in my truck for staying at friends houses on the road. Best cots ever. Worth the $$.
Hammock camper here. The reason I do it is because it's lighter, more compact and I have better climate control when I sleep. The underquilt and maneuverability of a rain fly allowing me to invite a cool breeze or block wind to stay warm is superior to a tent, but you can't camp with your family, or take it when you group camp in a hot tent.
Hahahahah I am laughing so hard!! Who would have thought that we would be singing the praises of losing "15 Ounces!" LOL My first backpacking trip was Wildcat Hollow and my base weight was 32 pounds!
@@john_kelley my first multiday backpacking trip my pack weight was 52 pounds, over 80 miles. my mind was absolutely blown when I heard of people doing under 30 pound packs, but now I just consider it the norm. its crazy how far we've come in terms of gear weight, the heaviest my pack has been has been 80 pounds, but now I would struggle to get to that weight.
I would definitely use that cot. I didn’t even know they made a cot. Really cool. My girlfriend said she’d sleep on that before the ground. Lol. Cool video John. 👍
Good info. Never thought about the cool air underneath. Yes in such heat your gear is reduced. I have the Aegismax and it’s good for the right temps but when it’s real hot I have a Sea To Summit bag liner instead. Good job.
Helps in cold weather too - getting off the ground (aka the giant heat-sink) is almost as good insulation as a thick pad. Pair the cot with a thin closed-cell pad and it's heaven.
Excellent video exactly what I was looking for. You have great communication skills you should tell helinox you want to be their spokesperson. I'm currently bicycle touring through southern Ohio and I think you just convinced me to buy the helinox ultralight.
Got me thinking but I’m not sold yet. Maybe I’m just a traditional ground dweller, but I’ll keep thinking about it. One thing I always bring is a puffy and that’s just a safety thing with all the mountain trips I do. Love seeing something new ... keep up the great content!!!
I keep it in my go bag. I’m way down in the south more then likely I expect heat over cold weather. Also use it to sleep on the screen patio post hurricanes. When the powers out. Car camping is another use. I’ll take a cot anytime over a sleeping pad. It’s worth the weight to sleep good.
Interesting idea! I would honestly love to try it out. I have no probably believing you could sleep a lot better on this vs the ground. A good night's rest makes ALL the difference on a backpacking trip, so it could definitely be worth it. I'm going to keep my eye out for a sale...
I backpacked with this with some buddies in the Michigan Upper Penninsula near Lake Superior in July of 2020. It worked out great and was much more confortable than most pads I have used. I have used the Exped Megamat light, the Thermarest MondoKing 3D and xlite and a couple REI pads. I have yet to test the Nemo Tensor insulated or Tensor Alpine since they are sold out everywhere. I prefer the comfort of the cot anyday. There are no pressure point pains. There are no issues with losing support. It just works well. Now for some negatives. This thing is obviously not insulated. You could use it down to the 40s or 50s, however you will need a solid sleeping bag to stay warm. I would not use this for winter camping, late fall or early spring at all as you will freeze your ass off. Another con is this is 23" wide so some side sleepers will not find this comfortable. Another strike is unforunately Helinox does not make this in a wide or long version for big and tall people. I am 5'10" and my feet just barely stay on the cot. If you need a longer and wider lite cot I would look at the Thermarest lite cot, though it is not as good and a bit heavier. Still with the slight negatives I bought this based on your review and have no regrets. I use the Thermarest NeoAir Xtherm max for my sleeping pad. Tried to get a Nemo Tensor insulated or Tensor Alpibe wide and they're sold out everywhere.
@@john_kelley I have also been looking at the Paria Recharge XL. On paper it look like a great pad for the money. 4 inches of depth should also eliminate any "bottoming out" for side sleepers. Of course this one is sold out too. www.pariaoutdoorproducts.com/collections/affordable-backpacking-gear-sleeping-bags-pads/products/recharge-xl-insulated-sleeping-pad
That cot weighs less then some of the Jungle Hammocks I use. The hammocks weight includes attached mosquito ( net ) protection. Both the hammocks or the cot would require a additional form of rain protection. Something else to consider .....Sleeping off the ground ( cot or hammock ) you can end up with a case of the cold butt syndrome. Usually in the early hours of the morning from the 360 degree ventilation. Some form of insulation under you helps to stop that , even if it's just a 1/8 th inch thick thinlight foam pad. It's keep close by and in the early ( cooler hours ) it's unrolled and put in the hammock. Camping in Florida we basically have summer ( Heat & Humidity ) all year round. For myself a light weight sleep sheet ( or sleeping bag liner ) is really nice during the night. Summer I like the Cacoon silk travel sheet it's cool to the touch , light weight and easy to wash and dries quickly.
I recently found your channel through dan Becker and he did an faq video. Just curious, what is your day job? You are really comfortable in front of the camera, at least it seems that way. Like the videos dude, keep them coming!
Like #19, FW, at first I thought you were kidding!! 😮 WOW...is this a thang now?! We recently did a 2 nighter, used the Big Agnes tent, and slept horribly! We usually use the Warbonnet hammocks, but we weren’t sure about the tree situations, and here in the desert 🌵 it’s hit and miss!! We will DEF look at the cot idea, cuz summers here are BRUTAL🥵and we could save weight in the long run!! Thnx, JK, Bless your heart DOUBLE!! 🙋♀️Lisa and Rick🙋♂️
I just watched this again and it occurs to me that it would be great for winter backpacking to isolate you from the cold ground, you'd still need a pad but you might be able to use something lighter and/or cheaper than a full on winter pad Also probably a good idea to use something to block draft's under it
my gripe about any sleeping system is noise or too bouncy, which is why I have been considering a foam pad, I tried air mats and I hate the way they feel, ive even deflated a air matt during a weekend backpacking trip just to get some sleep. So I wonder if this is a good solution, and I do sleep on harder surfaces
I've went through both Them-A-Rest cots and am looking for something different! Because those others are junk. Hopefully these are built a little better
Really great video man new follower to ya, and I was thinking of finding a light weight cot for my winter hot tenting adventures in the deep freeze, usually while hot tenting the ground will thaw leaving the floor a soupy mess!
Want even more space? Get the ALPS Mountineering ReadyLite Cot. Weighs a bit over 4.5 lbs. It is longer and wider than the Lite Cot from Helinox. 78" long x 28" wide. Those extra 5" over the Helinox Lite Cot makes side sleeping much easier. If you're ballin you could go with the Helinox CotOne Max for $430. 29.5" wide x 82" long. 6.5lbs though ouch.
Nice video. I am considering this cot and want to learn all I am able about it. I see Helinox now makes a “Reversible cot warmer” for it and wonder if this is as good as a light pad.
this just like my kijaro native ultralight cot, the only difference is the helinox cot is lighter by a pound or 2. but my cot cost only 65 from Walmart and not 300.
I backpack with a cot. 4 back surgeries will let you know lumpy cold ground is a very bad idea. I can carry 2pounds, i cant sleep on lumpy cold soild. It is just not possible without it for me
reccomendation please i do back pack, but more than not, im walk-in camping ( Scouts). I Had a Moon lance & broke/bent frame legs after 10 times using it - boo! loved it because of size, item weight and the 400lbs capacity to be safe, but i think from having to sit on edge as i get up bent it. I'm 6'1" 260. cot said supports up to 400lbs - nope! . size of moon lance 74.8 x 27.6 x 7.8 in, & weight 7lbs. Im looking for similar size 72-76" long, 25-30" wide, under 10lbs if possible need Easy to carry, AND of course im not jumping on it, but i dont want to worry about how i sit/get up & if it will bend the legs. thanks for any recommendation!!
This would help me meet a specific goal of mine, I just wish it wasn't so expensive. I'm the one who wanted the massage table/backpack combo 😒 time to put my thinking cap on.....
Although not as light, Moon Lence and ALPS Mountaineering make a cheap knockoff of the Helinox cots and are much more affordable. The Moon Lence model is less than $100 and looks just like the Helinox Cot One. The issue with cheaper models though is they use cheaper chinese aluninum poles and not Korean DAC. They also use a thicker cot fabric that is cheaper to manufacture. You do get what you pay for. I would use the kockoffs for car camping and maybe base camping but it would be a stretch to use for backpacking. Some of the knockoff backpacking chairs from Moon Lence and ALPS are pretty close in weight and quality for about hakf the price of Helinox.
Why even bring a sleeping bag and not just sleep open to everything? Here in California, if it's a heatwave and it doesn't dip below 70F at night, I just don't use blankets in bed. I even sleep downstairs where it is cooler.
I looked into these and they are very nice cots. To bulky or heavy for backpacking is a matter of opinion. Definitely not ultralight. IMHO they are just overpriced. I like Helinox products but unless you can get a deal, it’s just too high a profit thing for me. I use a Camp Time Roll A Cot for car camping or Basecamp type of stuff. Made in USA. Comes in at 10 pounds or so (light compared to a military cot) and sets up easy and is around $140. Different uses I know......
You should take a look at the hitor hike cot on amazon, it has about the same dementions as the helonix for ~70 bucks and is only 5 pounds. Nice cot for the price imo.
True there’s to much ultralight circlejerking with fad boys trying to out do each other. It’s even creeped in to bicycle touring so much I just don’t talk to anyone or visit the forums anymore cuz I’m tired of it.
@@kishascape ironic that you mention cycling. I used to do road bike group rides and found it hilarious that these guys (and women) with a few extra pounds (I’m bring nice) works fret over a little bit of weight and become “gram counters.” Ultra lightweight carbo fiber mountain bike frames that are super stiff to throw heavy suspensions on? In your case of touring, it would appear that the vast majority of new components are light but at the expense of durability. Asian made “premium” frames by American bike makers (Cannondale was a huge disappointment when they went overseas.) At east in cycling there is a lot of older stuff out there in great condition. In the case of forums it’s interesting to note how many people feel you “have to” have the latest and greatest. Nothing less will do. Or so they say. Hey, it’s their money. Cheers
You got my wife and I to give it a try - thanks for providing the $400 idea. Got it at REI using a 20% off code good 'til 11/23/2020. We like to backpack in cooler weather and was wondering what to try without adding much weight. We use a quilt and could add a 1/4" foam pad. I was thinking of using an emergency reflective blanket tucked in under using our quilt bungies to hold it in place. Any other ideas that would not add even more weight?
A foam pad would definitely help. A sleeping pad like the Nemo tensor insulated would definitely keep you warm, but that would raise you another 3” off the ground. Not sure what kind of tent you’re using.
@@john_kelley Thank you for your prompt response. We already use the Nemo tensor and really like it. I use the tall and wide one. Wife and I have the Tensor and the Cot set up in the living room taking turns comparing them. The cot is very comfortable, but not sure if it is 2 pounds more comfortable. Last month we used the Tensors with our Hammock Gear quilts at Pictured Rocks Michigan. It got to the mid 30's and we were fine with them. I think I am talking myself out of the cot while writing this. BTW - Here is a FB link to a short video of our 6 day trip. facebook.com/Fanta.Soda/videos/10224949583872011. Most people do it in less days, but we like to take our time taking it all in. One more BTW - From your earlier video we ordered and took the Bison, Black Bean Chilli with us and it was really good.
Pictures rocks is one of those places on my list. I truly love that chili. That video was never actually planned. I just thought it was so good that I had to make it.
@@john_kelley Watch my video and you will want to go ASAP. It's been less than a month and we already want to hike it again. That is, except for the last 7 miles of mud :)
My Helinox lite cot squeaks very loud whenever I change sleeping positions. The noise is pollution to nearby sleeper and myself. How do I fix the issue? Any help advise appreciated.
Have you done a video of you using this? There's a couple places I want to backpack/camp that is not good for a hammock and I don't want to sleep on the ground and my military style cot is too big/heavy for anything but car camping.
I’ve thought about using just a cot with some bug netting and a tarp from my hammock if it rains… Or connecting some bug netting to my hammock tarp some how so it’s like a screen room? Then no tent or poles or hammock or tree straps…
@@john_kelley Ah, You're British then? Americans would welcome the imperial metrics I guess, but for me as a Dutchman those numbers make no sense whatsoever.. 😆
Another hack to saving weight while on the trail is to lose body fat. Don't take this the wrong way. I was bigger myself. I lost 60# of body fat. I used to count oz when I was fat. Now I'm able to add a lot of gear and fun stuff into my pack. Awesome vid man! Plz don't think I'm fat shaming you. Just see myself circa 2018.
Helinox isn't cheap, but is very high quality. It is the only camping furniture brand on the market to use DAC poles, which are the gold standard for tent poles. Helinox is owned by Big Anges, which makes solid gear. Cheaper alternatives are not as light, but could be as comfy or even more so. I have this cot and also the ALPS ReadyLite Cot. The AlPS is definately a better cot for comfort and allows additional small insulated pads to slip underneith the surface. However i would not consider the 5lbs of weight for the ALPS "backpacking" grade, more like car camping. The ALPS is $145 on Amazon. Moon Lence, NatureHike and other Chinese brands have knock offs of the Helinox CotOne (which is much heavier) for under $100. If weight is not a concern I would look at one of those.
In my younger days, I was heavily into cycling for fitness. I would see these type a personalities with gobs of money, try to spend their way to a lighter weight bike while clearly ignoring their diets which were adding pounds more to their bodies than they could ever get rid of via titanium, carbon fiber, etc.
To Matthew: You are not very good with your time... you watched a video which you clearly stated was a "waste of your time" and then you wasted more of your important time by commented on the video. This just doesn't make sense Matthew. Matthew, do you have a you tube channel full of important information that we all can watch and not waste our time with? I am going to get this cot and name it Matthew. Thanks JK for this video ... I found it very interesting and not at all a waste of time. I wish I see the cot in action and in a tent. Matthew, I hope you learn how to give constructive feedback or keep your opinions to yourself. Your feedback offered nothing for JK to improve on.
Ha! 👍👈I have had clients request a cot... I say, "You can bring anything you carry!"
More, how about the custom gear request O got for a message-table built-into a backpack... 😐
I love the unconventional approach! (And thanks for moving the mic away from the lights, A++ production!!)
Dang!!!! That’s some creative backpack building! 😳 Thanks for the kind words!
Why the straight face emoji? That is THE most brilliant idea I've ever heard 😂😂😂
@@normarinker3245 you have no idea how many people want one that I've told about it!! Thanks for playing along, Norma! 😊😎🤗
@@QuietMowing yayyy! Regular bodywork is important 😊
Not sure if anyone cares but if you are stoned like me during the covid times you can stream pretty much all of the latest series on Instaflixxer. Been binge watching with my gf for the last couple of weeks xD
I bikepack camp and have been happily using the Helinox Lite for more than 2 years now. I get incredibly good sleep giving massive energy for each day's ride and hiking.
I am 54 years old now. When I was a kid, I was really into outdoor activities, hiking, & camping. Adult life interfered with all of that, but along the way, I became a Firefighter. Getting DRESSED became a matter of no less than 67 pounds before even picking up a tool or humping hose/ladders (and we usually had had to carry at least a couple of tools). Now that my line duties are subsiding and I'm working full-time at a fire training institution, I find myself having the time and interest to get back into backpacking, camping, and survival prepping. I really appreciate videos like this one because the rucking/camping gear has evolved a bit, and I need new knowledge. I am FASCINATED to hear the entire community talking about the importance of shedding mere OUNCES from the hump when, for many years, I was simply expected to carry whatever weight was assigned to me, even when our staffing kept shrinking. I am eagerly dumping my old "knowledge" in favor of new.
I carried two water gallon jugs on my first backpacking trip and all canned food. Needless to say, I didn't know what I was doing. I think my pack weighed 60 pounds at least. My last trip had a total pack weight of 25 pounds. Lightest pack I've ever had. I would definitely carry a cot. I have children. Little ones. If I go backpacking for a weekend I need to be able to sleep. I rate comfortable sleep as my number one priority when I'm backpacking. I'm saying this after 20 years experience
Great video. I’m just sorting through my gear for my annual 8 day backcountry solo canoe trip. I usually hammock but want to try a light weight single tent this year but was struggling over what to sleep on. I have several air pads but at my age rolling over and getting to my feet in the morning is a challenge. I picked up a similar cot on Amazon that weighs in at 3 pounds that I thought I would try. Just set everything up on the deck to check for fit. My wife thought I was nuts but I think I’m going to give it a try. After packing it all up I found your video; it just reinforced that this combo might work for me. All together, the tent, quilt, and cot weight 12 oz. less than my hammock kit. Thanks for the insight. FYI - long time subscriber and really enjoy your videos.
I love mine. I use a gossamer gear thin light pad for extra comfort. I also have the helinox high cot I keep in my truck for staying at friends houses on the road. Best cots ever. Worth the $$.
I’m planning on doing some tarp camping and using this. We’ll see how it goes.
Hammock camper here. The reason I do it is because it's lighter, more compact and I have better climate control when I sleep. The underquilt and maneuverability of a rain fly allowing me to invite a cool breeze or block wind to stay warm is superior to a tent, but you can't camp with your family, or take it when you group camp in a hot tent.
Hahahahah I am laughing so hard!! Who would have thought that we would be singing the praises of losing "15 Ounces!" LOL My first backpacking trip was Wildcat Hollow and my base weight was 32 pounds!
Oh, I know. The technology behind gear today is crazy. My back loves it!
@@john_kelley my first multiday backpacking trip my pack weight was 52 pounds, over 80 miles. my mind was absolutely blown when I heard of people doing under 30 pound packs, but now I just consider it the norm. its crazy how far we've come in terms of gear weight, the heaviest my pack has been has been 80 pounds, but now I would struggle to get to that weight.
Didn’t even know they had one of those. Very cool!
It's pretty sweet. Thermarest has one as well.
My dad, mom, and I think you’re fantastic! Keep slaying, my dude! 🤠
I’ve had my eye on this cot for awhile now, think it’s time to get one
I just used mine last week.
I would definitely use that cot. I didn’t even know they made a cot. Really cool. My girlfriend said she’d sleep on that before the ground. Lol. Cool video John. 👍
Thanks, Jason! It’s a nice piece of gear for sure.
Good review nice work. The helinox Lite cot works great for bicycle touring as well.
Yes it does!
Good info. Never thought about the cool air underneath. Yes in such heat your gear is reduced. I have the Aegismax and it’s good for the right temps but when it’s real hot I have a Sea To Summit bag liner instead. Good job.
Thanks! We get some serious heat here in KY. The cot really does help with those hot nights.
Helps in cold weather too - getting off the ground (aka the giant heat-sink) is almost as good insulation as a thick pad. Pair the cot with a thin closed-cell pad and it's heaven.
Excellent video exactly what I was looking for. You have great communication skills you should tell helinox you want to be their spokesperson. I'm currently bicycle touring through southern Ohio and I think you just convinced me to buy the helinox ultralight.
That’s awesome! It’s definitely comfortable! Enjoy your tour!
Nice Cot!!!!! I’m convinced and will be buying one and using it on the AT this year. Great video, great marketing lol
Have you tried or on the AT ?
Got me thinking but I’m not sold yet. Maybe I’m just a traditional ground dweller, but I’ll keep thinking about it. One thing I always bring is a puffy and that’s just a safety thing with all the mountain trips I do. Love seeing something new ... keep up the great content!!!
Thanks, Phillip!!!!
I keep it in my go bag. I’m way down in the south more then likely I expect heat over cold weather. Also use it to sleep on the screen patio post hurricanes. When the powers out. Car camping is another use. I’ll take a cot anytime over a sleeping pad. It’s worth the weight to sleep good.
Yes, I love my backpacking cot.
Interesting idea! I would honestly love to try it out. I have no probably believing you could sleep a lot better on this vs the ground. A good night's rest makes ALL the difference on a backpacking trip, so it could definitely be worth it. I'm going to keep my eye out for a sale...
Great review. I just looked at this at REI and wondered if anyone would use this other than for car camping. Thanks for answering my question.
If it's as comfortable as you claim, I'm sold. My biggest issue when hiking and/or camping is my aging back wants to go home way before I do.
Great look at this cot and well done breaking down the weight savings you have during those hot trips.
Thanks! It really is a nice cot.
If he stopped being fat he would save 150 pounds and then it wouldn't be an issue.
Good video just ordered a cot myself curious to give it a go
You've sold me on this, John. Also, I did a double take and backed up the video when I saw "Son of the Father" on your arm in Greek! at 1:50. Nice!
Thanks! I got that after my father passed away in 2009. He was a minister and used to do his morning studies from a Greek Bible.
I need this in my life! ❤️🎒⛺️
I love mine.
I backpacked with this with some buddies in the Michigan Upper Penninsula near Lake Superior in July of 2020. It worked out great and was much more confortable than most pads I have used. I have used the Exped Megamat light, the Thermarest MondoKing 3D and xlite and a couple REI pads. I have yet to test the Nemo Tensor insulated or Tensor Alpine since they are sold out everywhere.
I prefer the comfort of the cot anyday. There are no pressure point pains. There are no issues with losing support. It just works well.
Now for some negatives. This thing is obviously not insulated. You could use it down to the 40s or 50s, however you will need a solid sleeping bag to stay warm. I would not use this for winter camping, late fall or early spring at all as you will freeze your ass off. Another con is this is 23" wide so some side sleepers will not find this comfortable. Another strike is unforunately Helinox does not make this in a wide or long version for big and tall people. I am 5'10" and my feet just barely stay on the cot. If you need a longer and wider lite cot I would look at the Thermarest lite cot, though it is not as good and a bit heavier.
Still with the slight negatives I bought this based on your review and have no regrets.
I use the Thermarest NeoAir Xtherm max for my sleeping pad. Tried to get a Nemo Tensor insulated or Tensor Alpibe wide and they're sold out everywhere.
Yeah. They're sold out, because they're great pads. You can't go wrong with thermarest either.
@@john_kelley I have also been looking at the Paria Recharge XL. On paper it look like a great pad for the money. 4 inches of depth should also eliminate any "bottoming out" for side sleepers. Of course this one is sold out too.
www.pariaoutdoorproducts.com/collections/affordable-backpacking-gear-sleeping-bags-pads/products/recharge-xl-insulated-sleeping-pad
I’ll definitely check it out
That cot weighs less then some of the Jungle Hammocks I use. The hammocks weight includes attached mosquito ( net ) protection. Both the hammocks or the cot would require a additional form of rain protection.
Something else to consider .....Sleeping off the ground ( cot or hammock ) you can end up with a case of the cold butt syndrome. Usually in the early hours of the morning from the 360 degree ventilation. Some form of insulation under you helps to stop that , even if it's just a 1/8 th inch thick thinlight foam pad. It's keep close by and in the early ( cooler hours ) it's unrolled and put in the hammock. Camping in Florida we basically have summer ( Heat & Humidity ) all year round. For myself a light weight sleep sheet ( or sleeping bag liner ) is really nice during the night. Summer I like the Cacoon silk travel sheet it's cool to the touch , light weight and easy to wash and dries quickly.
Florida can definitely get warm.
I recently found your channel through dan Becker and he did an faq video. Just curious, what is your day job? You are really comfortable in front of the camera, at least it seems that way. Like the videos dude, keep them coming!
Thanks for watching and commenting. I’m actually a full-time minister. Have been for over 20 years.
Never would have guessed that! I'd go to your church and I don't even go to church! Great video man!
Thanks, man!
Like #19, FW, at first I thought you were kidding!! 😮 WOW...is this a thang now?! We recently did a 2 nighter, used the Big Agnes tent, and slept horribly! We usually use the Warbonnet hammocks, but we weren’t sure about the tree situations, and here in the desert 🌵 it’s hit and miss!! We will DEF look at the cot idea, cuz summers here are BRUTAL🥵and we could save weight in the long run!! Thnx, JK, Bless your heart DOUBLE!!
🙋♀️Lisa and Rick🙋♂️
You guys are always so kind. Thanks for the comment!!! Definitely give it a look. It really is a cooler night's sleep.
JK is Hiking...cooler is always good in the 110🥵range!! Can’t wait to research some more about them! 👍👏
Hi what tent do u pair it with in summer? It's super hot in Singapore and I'm looking for cooler options that can still keep bugs out
I just watched this again and it occurs to me that it would be great for winter backpacking to isolate you from the cold ground, you'd still need a pad but you might be able to use something lighter and/or cheaper than a full on winter pad
Also probably a good idea to use something to block draft's under it
This is exactly what I'm considering right now!
A foam pad and then a piece of space blanker underneath the cot on the ground pointing up will do you good in most conditions.
the helinox plug @5:00 was so good lol
LOL...Thanks!
my gripe about any sleeping system is noise or too bouncy, which is why I have been considering a foam pad, I tried air mats and I hate the way they feel, ive even deflated a air matt during a weekend backpacking trip just to get some sleep. So I wonder if this is a good solution, and I do sleep on harder surfaces
if you strap the cot around your waist like a fanny pack, could you consider it as worn weight? ha
Yes!!!! Good call!
I've went through both Them-A-Rest cots and am looking for something different! Because those others are junk. Hopefully these are built a little better
Mine is still going 6 years later.
I’m not an ultra lighter but this + big Agnes sleeping pad feels better than my bed
It’s really comfortable!
Starting to get convinced! 😉
Heck yeah!!! Thanks for commenting!
Really great video man new follower to ya, and I was thinking of finding a light weight cot for my winter hot tenting adventures in the deep freeze, usually while hot tenting the ground will thaw leaving the floor a soupy mess!
I sleep with the Helinox Lite Cot Ultra-Light with a Klymit Insulated Static V Sleeping Pad only 3 pounds total.
About winter though, it would get you up off the freezing ground. So might not be summer only. What do you think?
Want even more space? Get the ALPS Mountineering ReadyLite Cot. Weighs a bit over 4.5 lbs. It is longer and wider than the Lite Cot from Helinox. 78" long x 28" wide. Those extra 5" over the Helinox Lite Cot makes side sleeping much easier.
If you're ballin you could go with the Helinox CotOne Max for $430. 29.5" wide x 82" long. 6.5lbs though ouch.
It's all dependent on what your needs are for sure.
@@john_kelley I got both the ALPS and the Helinox lite cot.
Nice video. I am considering this cot and want to learn all I am able about it. I see Helinox now makes a “Reversible cot warmer” for it and wonder if this is as good as a light pad.
My husband is a big guy and a very reluctant hiker and bike packer. This might just convince him to join me on my adventures
I hope so! There are few things more fun.
this just like my kijaro native ultralight cot, the only difference is the helinox cot is lighter by a pound or 2. but my cot cost only 65 from Walmart and not 300.
I backpack with a cot. 4 back surgeries will let you know lumpy cold ground is a very bad idea. I can carry 2pounds, i cant sleep on lumpy cold soild. It is just not possible without it for me
reccomendation please i do back pack, but more than not, im walk-in camping ( Scouts). I Had a Moon lance & broke/bent frame legs after 10 times using it - boo! loved it because of size, item weight and the 400lbs capacity to be safe, but i think from having to sit on edge as i get up bent it. I'm 6'1" 260. cot said supports up to 400lbs - nope! . size of moon lance 74.8 x 27.6 x 7.8 in, & weight 7lbs. Im looking for similar size 72-76" long, 25-30" wide, under 10lbs if possible need Easy to carry, AND of course im not jumping on it, but i dont want to worry about how i sit/get up & if it will bend the legs. thanks for any recommendation!!
This would help me meet a specific goal of mine, I just wish it wasn't so expensive. I'm the one who wanted the massage table/backpack combo 😒 time to put my thinking cap on.....
Nice! I wondered who Jason was talking about. Thermarest makes one too that’s cheaper. I’ve never used it, but it might be worth checking out.
@@john_kelley will do. Thank you!!
Although not as light, Moon Lence and ALPS Mountaineering make a cheap knockoff of the Helinox cots and are much more affordable. The Moon Lence model is less than $100 and looks just like the Helinox Cot One. The issue with cheaper models though is they use cheaper chinese aluninum poles and not Korean DAC. They also use a thicker cot fabric that is cheaper to manufacture.
You do get what you pay for. I would use the kockoffs for car camping and maybe base camping but it would be a stretch to use for backpacking.
Some of the knockoff backpacking chairs from Moon Lence and ALPS are pretty close in weight and quality for about hakf the price of Helinox.
I would try that cot. 👍
Do it!!!! Thanks for commenting!
Why even bring a sleeping bag and not just sleep open to everything? Here in California, if it's a heatwave and it doesn't dip below 70F at night, I just don't use blankets in bed. I even sleep downstairs where it is cooler.
This would be great canoe/kayak camping. Good bye 2 inch pad.
It definitely would.
I want the thermarest cot! What shelter are you using it with?
It's a Big Agnes Fly Creek HV UL2. I haven't checked out the thermarest one. I've been using this Helinox one for 3 years. I need to give it a look.
You should get that thermarest one and do a review on it. I'd love to see what your thoughts are on it.
I looked into these and they are very nice cots. To bulky or heavy for backpacking is a matter of opinion. Definitely not ultralight. IMHO they are just overpriced. I like Helinox products but unless you can get a deal, it’s just too high a profit thing for me. I use a Camp Time Roll A Cot for car camping or Basecamp type of stuff. Made in USA. Comes in at 10 pounds or so (light compared to a military cot) and sets up easy and is around $140. Different uses I know......
You should take a look at the hitor hike cot on amazon, it has about the same dementions as the helonix for ~70 bucks and is only 5 pounds. Nice cot for the price imo.
True there’s to much ultralight circlejerking with fad boys trying to out do each other. It’s even creeped in to bicycle touring so much I just don’t talk to anyone or visit the forums anymore cuz I’m tired of it.
@@kishascape ironic that you mention cycling. I used to do road bike group rides and found it hilarious that these guys (and women) with a few extra pounds (I’m bring nice) works fret over a little bit of weight and become “gram counters.” Ultra lightweight carbo fiber mountain bike frames that are super stiff to throw heavy suspensions on? In your case of touring, it would appear that the vast majority of new components are light but at the expense of durability. Asian made “premium” frames by American bike makers (Cannondale was a huge disappointment when they went overseas.) At east in cycling there is a lot of older stuff out there in great condition. In the case of forums it’s interesting to note how many people feel you “have to” have the latest and greatest. Nothing less will do. Or so they say. Hey, it’s their money.
Cheers
You got my wife and I to give it a try - thanks for providing the $400 idea. Got it at REI using a 20% off code good 'til 11/23/2020. We like to backpack in cooler weather and was wondering what to try without adding much weight. We use a quilt and could add a 1/4" foam pad. I was thinking of using an emergency reflective blanket tucked in under using our quilt bungies to hold it in place. Any other ideas that would not add even more weight?
A foam pad would definitely help. A sleeping pad like the Nemo tensor insulated would definitely keep you warm, but that would raise you another 3” off the ground. Not sure what kind of tent you’re using.
@@john_kelley Thank you for your prompt response. We already use the Nemo tensor and really like it. I use the tall and wide one. Wife and I have the Tensor and the Cot set up in the living room taking turns comparing them. The cot is very comfortable, but not sure if it is 2 pounds more comfortable. Last month we used the Tensors with our Hammock Gear quilts at Pictured Rocks Michigan. It got to the mid 30's and we were fine with them. I think I am talking myself out of the cot while writing this. BTW - Here is a FB link to a short video of our 6 day trip. facebook.com/Fanta.Soda/videos/10224949583872011. Most people do it in less days, but we like to take our time taking it all in. One more BTW - From your earlier video we ordered and took the Bison, Black Bean Chilli with us and it was really good.
Pictures rocks is one of those places on my list. I truly love that chili. That video was never actually planned. I just thought it was so good that I had to make it.
@@john_kelley Watch my video and you will want to go ASAP. It's been less than a month and we already want to hike it again. That is, except for the last 7 miles of mud :)
Will do
I figured this would be a cold weather thing because it gets you up off the cold ground.
With a sleeping pad, it is.
I take it everywhere. Worth every ounce . I sleep like a baby on it.
Absolutely!
My Helinox lite cot squeaks very loud whenever I change sleeping positions. The noise is pollution to nearby sleeper and myself. How do I fix the issue? Any help advise appreciated.
Before this video, no, but now I'm like woah. I had no idea they made such light small adult human cots 😂. I am currently a hammock camper
Have you done a video of you using this? There's a couple places I want to backpack/camp that is not good for a hammock and I don't want to sleep on the ground and my military style cot is too big/heavy for anything but car camping.
Honestly, since I started hammocking, I haven’t used it in over a year. Maybe when my knee heals up, I’ll plan a trip specifically for that.
I would love one, but probably couldn't afford it.
They can be pricey. Thermarest has one for about $50 cheaper. Might be an option. Thanks for the comment!
Look at the ALPS Mountineering, NatureHike and Moon Lence options on Amazon. Some are less than $100.
I’ve thought about using just a cot with some bug netting and a tarp from my hammock if it rains…
Or connecting some bug netting to my hammock tarp some how so it’s like a screen room? Then no tent or poles or hammock or tree straps…
How about a bivy + cot combination? Maybe there are net bivies (to keep the insects out) to make it lighter
Maybe your target audience is exclusively American, but I would love to hear the metric equivalent of all those specs.
I’ve got to be honest. I made that video 3 years ago, and I never thought Americans would watch it. 😂😂😂
@@john_kelley Ah, You're British then? Americans would welcome the imperial metrics I guess, but for me as a Dutchman those numbers make no sense whatsoever.. 😆
4 years later, do you still use it? Does it hold up well?
Do they make an insulated version? .... asking for a cold Canadian friend ... hypothetically 😆😜😂
Sounds like your “friend” could just bring a sleeping pad, but I’ll look for an insulated one for you. 😂🤣
Question on the cot.
Does it put holes is the floor of your tent?
I’ve never experienced that.
The more I ruck the more I stronk more stornk mean lift more to ruck more stornk logic get it.
Any "tossing and turning" sleepers use this?
My base weight is 15 ounces
Another hack to saving weight while on the trail is to lose body fat. Don't take this the wrong way. I was bigger myself. I lost 60# of body fat. I used to count oz when I was fat. Now I'm able to add a lot of gear and fun stuff into my pack. Awesome vid man! Plz don't think I'm fat shaming you. Just see myself circa 2018.
Do you still backpack with the cot?
Only when it’s hot out, and we’re not in a pandemic. 😂
JK is Hiking , thanks for the reply. I was thinking about getting one for hot weather and possibly paddling trips.
Why didn't you show yourself lying on it.. And some b-roll of it in a tent? Just a suggestion.. Good video
Great ideas! I'm still new to these kind of videos. Definitely something to do in future episodes.
I agree with john...
I wish I knew wtf an "ounce" weighed
16 make up a pound
I want some r value even sometimes in the summer. I would still need a pad. Too expensive and not practical enough!
a gallon of mosquito repellant= 10 lbs.
lol
Do you know what the legs on their selfs weight?
Not off the top of my head, but I can weigh them when I get home from work.
@@john_kelley Did you ever return?
@@hopethathelps I honestly forgot to check it last night. I'm making a note to check today.
Travel The Movie It looks like 1lbs 2.4oz
@@john_kelley Thank you for checking! keep going bro
What part of Ky are you in?
The same one you are.
@@john_kelley let me know if you ever get a NichVegas group going out something. I been meaning to go to the jessamine Co gorge
Who backpacks when its 70° at night? Yuck. I'm sweating at 55°
Ultra lite packers count ounces like the calorie psychos.
a goodnight's sleep is worth a few pounds
Not comfortable unless u sleep laying down and u don't move
Ridiculously expensive.
And ridiculously comfortable
Helinox isn't cheap, but is very high quality. It is the only camping furniture brand on the market to use DAC poles, which are the gold standard for tent poles. Helinox is owned by Big Anges, which makes solid gear.
Cheaper alternatives are not as light, but could be as comfy or even more so.
I have this cot and also the ALPS ReadyLite Cot. The AlPS is definately a better cot for comfort and allows additional small insulated pads to slip underneith the surface. However i would not consider the 5lbs of weight for the ALPS "backpacking" grade, more like car camping. The ALPS is $145 on Amazon.
Moon Lence, NatureHike and other Chinese brands have knock offs of the Helinox CotOne (which is much heavier) for under $100. If weight is not a concern I would look at one of those.
In my younger days, I was heavily into cycling for fitness. I would see these type a personalities with gobs of money, try to spend their way to a lighter weight bike while clearly ignoring their diets which were adding pounds more to their bodies than they could ever get rid of via titanium, carbon fiber, etc.
This didn’t help with anything besides the items you don’t need in the summer? Waste of my time ..
I guess you won’t be buying that cot then...
To Matthew: You are not very good with your time... you watched a video which you clearly stated was a "waste of your time" and then you wasted more of your important time by commented on the video. This just doesn't make sense Matthew. Matthew, do you have a you tube channel full of important information that we all can watch and not waste our time with? I am going to get this cot and name it Matthew. Thanks JK for this video ... I found it very interesting and not at all a waste of time. I wish I see the cot in action and in a tent.
Matthew, I hope you learn how to give constructive feedback or keep your opinions to yourself. Your feedback offered nothing for JK to improve on.
Thanks, Kyle.