Every trainee knows there’s a chance you won’t debut. It’s the risk you take when entering the K-pop industry instead of going the independent artist route. It’s not in their contract that they’ll debut first. Companies don’t make promises like that because plans can change. What’s your source for it being in the contract that they’d debut first? Girl, they were literally OT7 dancing to Attention while still at Source Music. What do you mean none of the songs sounded like New Jeans?? 😭 You can check the emails and messages Min Heejin was sending back in 2020 (which she’s never denied). She delayed their debut because she wanted to create her own company without spending any of her own money. HYBE loaned her the money, gave her an entire company, let her take the trainees she wanted from SouMu, and gave her full creative freedom. As an artist, that’s the dream when you’re backed by a rich company. That’s why things got delayed. HYBE wasn’t sabotaging New Jeans or Min Heejin. The delays happened because MHJ was asked for her debut plans and didn’t deliver on time. Meanwhile, Source Music was losing money, so they debuted Le Sserafim instead. That’s it. New Jeans were supposed to debut in Q4 2021, but MHJ hadn’t finalised the plans. As a company focused on profit, they couldn’t just sit around losing money. This isn’t speculation, the emails are public. IT DOESN’T EVEN MATTER WHICH GROUP DEBUTED FIRST. It’s arbitrary. No one’s going to care who debuted first after a few years. What matters is having a successful debut, and both groups achieved that with completely different styles under different companies. Complaining about this is so pointless. Min Heejin just wants victim points. She literally said in a 2022 interview that she planned to have no promo before New Jeans’ debut so people would focus on the music and concept instead of the girls’ personalities. I’m pretty sure she even mentioned one of the members suggested it. You can’t blame HYBE for that when MHJ herself admitted it. Plus, debuting on a UA-cam channel with 70 million subscribers is promo anyway. I agree that Min Heejin is the reason New Jeans exist. Her styling and music choices are a massive part of their success. But let’s be real, they wouldn’t have reached this level so quick without HYBE or some other big company. There are hundreds of incredible original artists out there who never make it because they don’t have the money or a big company backing them. The amount of funding and creative freedom HYBE gave ADOR is unheard of. Most groups struggle for 2-3 years before they start seeing real success. Yes, HYBE is a money-hungry capitalist corporation. But let’s not pretend Min Heejin doesn’t love money too. That’s why she turned down the Creative Director role at first and had the New Jeans members push HYBE to reinstate her as CEO. She wants the bag! “They have lawyers!” And so does ADOR. Their legal team wrote the contract; they know it inside and out. I don’t know who’s going to win this dispute, but honestly, I hope New Jeans have something under their sleeve and win this thing. Let them leave the company and move on. I just hope they don’t rely on MHJ because this woman does not give a shit about them. She only cares about her own ego. 09:02 Originally, the plan was for Min Heejin’s group to debut. Then Source CEO and Bang PD wanted a sophisticated, high-fashion vibe. MHJ wasn’t into that idea. So Bang PD said she could create her own group under Source, while they’d debut the “sophisticated” group separately. Then MHJ got upset about the Source CEO trying to control her group and asked for her own company in 2020. (You can see all of this in the emails between MHJ and Source). IZONE disbanded in early 2021, and ADOR was formed that same year, so there probably wasn’t much overlap between IZONE and New Jeans’ training at Source. I’m not sure when the other Le Sserafim members joined SouMu, but by then, the plan was already to debut two separate groups, so they likely didn’t train much together. And lastly: 17 is not a hag BYE
I’m sorry. But sometimes I am thinking …… where did you get some of the absurd you are talking about. It seems like you don’t know what is really happening. I understand these are your opinion only, but every opinion should be based on …. Facts or alleged facts or something. Not delulu for sure. Nothing what you say is realistic nor true. And I don’t even want to talk about any legal facts ….. you need to do some serious research……. By the way NJ are a bunch of spoil brats who were on their way to the top. But no more. And that’s my opinion.
Exactly your opinion and just because you need thing literally spelled out go you doesn’t mean that I don’t know what I am talking about other people get it don’t be slow
@@ChronicSeed.y. Other way around. Apparently you need to have everything spelled out so you will understand what you are saying has no base at all. Delulu world. Read all your comments and maybe you will get it. No hate. I really wish you Good luck with your channel. You do need it.
Are we forgetting that in debut whe didnt know about the girls name? Didnt know about the debut? Or even know about an album until the Attention MV? The girls didnt even where trainees in Ador, they where trainees in Source until they moved, the trainee in Source time is info whe learned after the debut
Exactly source music did not care about the girls. No one was going to make them a priority if min hee Jin did not pick the girls up and choose to help them. Yes, I do agree that everything that’s going on is messy, but I agree with the video that at the end of the day everything NewJeans is and has become is not because of HYBE they debuted with no bts hype and then were able to gain a lot of fans and support because of how appealing their image was
Before the HYBE Stan’s get here. Thank you so much. It’s as simples as MHJ is the lesser of two evils for NJ. I’m still a little unsure about them going with her and I don’t like the women but NJ feels safer under her. What am I supposed to do. Like I also don’t like BSH but BTS like him so I can’t do anything about it. Also u made a good point about HYEIN saying she wanted to debut soon. Like KPOP idols have very short shelf lives. Like you’re lucky to get in a group at an older age and even luckier if your groups make it past that first 7 years contract. And I hate how HYBE STANS try to give HYBE as pass because it’s “normal” to live in roach infested, dorms, be pushed to drop out of school, and not being allowed to see your parents at the age of like 14. Like I get it being a trainee is hard work but do we as fans have to normalize it and be ok with it. This is more my opinion: I can’t believe SOME allegations coming out about MHJ, especially the claims from Dispatch about her allegedly “sleeping her way to the top.” Like, MHJ has been in the industry for a long time. You’re telling me that a woman who’s been around since the late 2000s-btw one of the most misogynistic eras-and has never even had whispers of accusations like this is suddenly facing them after the HYBE situation? OKAY And dispatch printing that makes me look at them and the article differently. Only because that’s such a sexist allegation and would never ever be said about a man.
you bring up a lot of good points especially about MHJ because if she did infact sleep her way to the top it would've been known by now but this is the first time its been brought up and yes it is misogyny because this rumor would've never been started if MHJ was a man i personally don't care if sleeping your way to the top was so easy then HYBE stans should do it tooo
@@Biirrrrrrrrr Mhj? The women with a big ego sleeping with a man? Nah, i didnt believe nothing of that too, those chats are allegedly edited by a incel chat group, thats what some forums say about all of this, Dispatch has a history of editing chats for the wellbeing of the company, i believed the chats of her being an asshole towards Newjeans because, dah, shes a Ceo she is bad as f*ck i cant do nothing more that say i wish the best for the girls and that with the time more people like Mhj should be more thankful about their idols but are we childrens? Is kpop, a inmature industry BSH is not a saint either, no company or creative director are saints
@ thanks great video btw 🤍🩵 And honestly Ik this might be a little apathetic but I don’t care if MHJ tried to take ADOR or not or if she’s “sleeping to the top” the biggest reason I have a problem with her is the questionable art she does using minors and barely legal adults. Like I truly do not care about corporate drama. I just want NJ to be ok.
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Every trainee knows there’s a chance you won’t debut. It’s the risk you take when entering the K-pop industry instead of going the independent artist route. It’s not in their contract that they’ll debut first. Companies don’t make promises like that because plans can change. What’s your source for it being in the contract that they’d debut first?
Girl, they were literally OT7 dancing to Attention while still at Source Music. What do you mean none of the songs sounded like New Jeans?? 😭
You can check the emails and messages Min Heejin was sending back in 2020 (which she’s never denied). She delayed their debut because she wanted to create her own company without spending any of her own money. HYBE loaned her the money, gave her an entire company, let her take the trainees she wanted from SouMu, and gave her full creative freedom. As an artist, that’s the dream when you’re backed by a rich company. That’s why things got delayed. HYBE wasn’t sabotaging New Jeans or Min Heejin. The delays happened because MHJ was asked for her debut plans and didn’t deliver on time. Meanwhile, Source Music was losing money, so they debuted Le Sserafim instead. That’s it. New Jeans were supposed to debut in Q4 2021, but MHJ hadn’t finalised the plans. As a company focused on profit, they couldn’t just sit around losing money. This isn’t speculation, the emails are public.
IT DOESN’T EVEN MATTER WHICH GROUP DEBUTED FIRST.
It’s arbitrary. No one’s going to care who debuted first after a few years. What matters is having a successful debut, and both groups achieved that with completely different styles under different companies. Complaining about this is so pointless. Min Heejin just wants victim points. She literally said in a 2022 interview that she planned to have no promo before New Jeans’ debut so people would focus on the music and concept instead of the girls’ personalities. I’m pretty sure she even mentioned one of the members suggested it. You can’t blame HYBE for that when MHJ herself admitted it. Plus, debuting on a UA-cam channel with 70 million subscribers is promo anyway.
I agree that Min Heejin is the reason New Jeans exist. Her styling and music choices are a massive part of their success. But let’s be real, they wouldn’t have reached this level so quick without HYBE or some other big company. There are hundreds of incredible original artists out there who never make it because they don’t have the money or a big company backing them. The amount of funding and creative freedom HYBE gave ADOR is unheard of. Most groups struggle for 2-3 years before they start seeing real success.
Yes, HYBE is a money-hungry capitalist corporation. But let’s not pretend Min Heejin doesn’t love money too. That’s why she turned down the Creative Director role at first and had the New Jeans members push HYBE to reinstate her as CEO. She wants the bag!
“They have lawyers!” And so does ADOR. Their legal team wrote the contract; they know it inside and out. I don’t know who’s going to win this dispute, but honestly, I hope New Jeans have something under their sleeve and win this thing. Let them leave the company and move on. I just hope they don’t rely on MHJ because this woman does not give a shit about them. She only cares about her own ego.
09:02 Originally, the plan was for Min Heejin’s group to debut. Then Source CEO and Bang PD wanted a sophisticated, high-fashion vibe. MHJ wasn’t into that idea. So Bang PD said she could create her own group under Source, while they’d debut the “sophisticated” group separately. Then MHJ got upset about the Source CEO trying to control her group and asked for her own company in 2020. (You can see all of this in the emails between MHJ and Source).
IZONE disbanded in early 2021, and ADOR was formed that same year, so there probably wasn’t much overlap between IZONE and New Jeans’ training at Source. I’m not sure when the other Le Sserafim members joined SouMu, but by then, the plan was already to debut two separate groups, so they likely didn’t train much together.
And lastly: 17 is not a hag BYE
I’m sorry. But sometimes I am thinking …… where did you get some of the absurd you are talking about. It seems like you don’t know what is really happening. I understand these are your opinion only, but every opinion should be based on …. Facts or alleged facts or something. Not delulu for sure. Nothing what you say is realistic nor true. And I don’t even want to talk about any legal facts ….. you need to do some serious research……. By the way NJ are a bunch of spoil brats who were on their way to the top. But no more. And that’s my opinion.
Exactly your opinion and just because you need thing literally spelled out go you doesn’t mean that I don’t know what I am talking about other people get it don’t be slow
@@ChronicSeed.y. Other way around. Apparently you need to have everything spelled out so you will understand what you are saying has no base at all. Delulu world. Read all your comments and maybe you will get it. No hate. I really wish you Good luck with your channel. You do need it.
Are we forgetting that in debut whe didnt know about the girls name? Didnt know about the debut? Or even know about an album until the Attention MV? The girls didnt even where trainees in Ador, they where trainees in Source until they moved, the trainee in Source time is info whe learned after the debut
Exactly source music did not care about the girls. No one was going to make them a priority if min hee Jin did not pick the girls up and choose to help them. Yes, I do agree that everything that’s going on is messy, but I agree with the video that at the end of the day everything NewJeans is and has become is not because of HYBE they debuted with no bts hype and then were able to gain a lot of fans and support because of how appealing their image was
@loserbigbang7332 THIS
I thought it was MHJ plan not to do teasers for the debut...
@kpopjkjun Of course, but wee need to remember that they didnt have a big budget at first, as a creative director you need to work with what you have
Before the HYBE Stan’s get here. Thank you so much. It’s as simples as MHJ is the lesser of two evils for NJ. I’m still a little unsure about them going with her and I don’t like the women but NJ feels safer under her. What am I supposed to do. Like I also don’t like BSH but BTS like him so I can’t do anything about it.
Also u made a good point about HYEIN saying she wanted to debut soon. Like KPOP idols have very short shelf lives. Like you’re lucky to get in a group at an older age and even luckier if your groups make it past that first 7 years contract. And I hate how HYBE STANS try to give HYBE as pass because it’s “normal” to live in roach infested, dorms, be pushed to drop out of school, and not being allowed to see your parents at the age of like 14. Like I get it being a trainee is hard work but do we as fans have to normalize it and be ok with it.
This is more my opinion: I can’t believe SOME allegations coming out about MHJ, especially the claims from Dispatch about her allegedly “sleeping her way to the top.” Like, MHJ has been in the industry for a long time. You’re telling me that a woman who’s been around since the late 2000s-btw one of the most misogynistic eras-and has never even had whispers of accusations like this is suddenly facing them after the HYBE situation? OKAY
And dispatch printing that makes me look at them and the article differently. Only because that’s such a sexist allegation and would never ever be said about a man.
you bring up a lot of good points especially about MHJ because if she did infact sleep her way to the top it would've been known by now but this is the first time its been brought up and yes it is misogyny because this rumor would've never been started if MHJ was a man i personally don't care if sleeping your way to the top was so easy then HYBE stans should do it tooo
@@Biirrrrrrrrr Mhj? The women with a big ego sleeping with a man? Nah, i didnt believe nothing of that too, those chats are allegedly edited by a incel chat group, thats what some forums say about all of this, Dispatch has a history of editing chats for the wellbeing of the company, i believed the chats of her being an asshole towards Newjeans because, dah, shes a Ceo she is bad as f*ck i cant do nothing more that say i wish the best for the girls and that with the time more people like Mhj should be more thankful about their idols but are we childrens? Is kpop, a inmature industry BSH is not a saint either, no company or creative director are saints
@ thanks great video btw 🤍🩵
And honestly Ik this might be a little apathetic but I don’t care if MHJ tried to take ADOR or not or if she’s “sleeping to the top” the biggest reason I have a problem with her is the questionable art she does using minors and barely legal adults. Like I truly do not care about corporate drama. I just want NJ to be ok.