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You should check out UNIVERSE LEAGUE! It's a brand-new show, currently on its second episode, and trust me, it’s super exciting and not boring at all. The show is like a soccer-themed survival program, but instead of typical drama among trainees, the real competition is between the directors😂They’re the ones beefing with each other, which adds a hilarious twist to the whole concept.(i even witness a hybe vs sm in there just to get a certain trainee😭) There are three teams competing against each other, and the ultimate winner will form the debut lineup for a new K-pop group. What’s cool is that there’s a twist: trainees can be "stolen" by rival teams to create stronger lineups. (This hasn’t aired yet, but the team that is coming out in the internet is different trainee of that group so it's certain ) There are only 42 trainees, and they’re all incredibly talented, which makes it harder for us to choose our main 😭 The first episode was already intense! The directors had to pick trainees from group performances, but if more than one director chose the same trainee, the trainee got to decide which team they wanted to join. It’s like soccer coaches scouting players, but with a K-pop twist. And the directors’ rivalry? Absolutely entertaining to watch!(still can't get over the hybe vs sm 😂) I know my explanation might sound a little messy, but seriously, it’s such an interesting and unique show-you won’t get bored. Give it a try, and let me know what you think!
Scool is so far seems to be the only Kpop Survival Shows that is very much Fair and Unbias let alone the Judges are very fair when it comes to their criticism and eliminations so I recommend you to watch it
To the judge's point of 'oh well, idols have to perform up to 30 songs in a concert so you should be able to as well'. Okay, but rookies idol groups don't perform in concerts right off the bat, and they work their stamina up to the point where they can. So gonna call bullshit on that one.
Exactly! Also, concerts will often have ment sections where they take a break for a few minutes and sometimes solo stages so everyone is getting breaks for that too.
Even in kpop concerts i went there and kpop idols don't dance non-stop there are vcr, ballad songs that idols sings only and not dance, moments they go backstage to change their outfits etc. So Lee seung gi said bullshit, is wrong
Agree! And there are ballad songs that idols can sit or stand to sing and don't have to dance. With groups, they can have solo/mini groups stages so other members can change their outfits and recover their stamina. Idols will have small talk to fans between songs in other to connect to fans, make the crowd more hype to the next song and the most important is to catch a breath and take a little rest too
I am so angry at the judges from starlight boys I mean K-pop idols will have break in between the concert and K-pop concert is 4 hours or so but for 30 minute of the time they were not dancing.
It actually got better, the judge/guider you are talking abt is the only problem in the show.... iqiyi production did a wonderful job except for that one horrible thing
And it won't be a surprise! BTS know they're gonna perform 25 songs... It's harder when you're not prepared mentally at all because you thought you would perform once
ikr!!! like even ateez a seasoned group when performing coachella i.e 45 min stage had at the very least a 5 min break for their ment plus they werent dancing all the time they had rest parts in their songs and even then they were too tired so its not like its a requirement for kpop grps to perform for soo long without a break
What is worst is that Lee Seung Gi, has spoken about the abuse he suffered under his company for almost 20 years. He even has an act with his name. PS:I thought ILAND would be here as well, I guess it's not the case.
All three shows are bad, but Starlight Boys is honestly sinister. What made them think that physical abuse and suffering would entertain fans? I guess they took young adult dystopian novels too seriously...
Most of the songs that groups or idols perform on stage don’t even require choreography, oh and one more thing, IDOLS TAKE BREAKS FROM TIME TO TIME WHETHER THEY ARE ON TOUR OR PERFORMING ON STAGE! Not over exhaust themselves until they can’t breathe. Fans will STILL be grateful to see their idols on stage even during breaks as they obviously don’t want to see them die from exhaustion smh 🤦♂️
@@bhriannphilipLee Seungi is a hypocrite he literally sued his former company for mistreatment and here he is dumping his past experience to kids and young adults smh
clicked,and immediately thought of time turner…im sorry but like you know its going to be bad when its airing on tiktok,not to mention no professionally trained judges as well..
I think that, so far, Chuang Asia Thailand has been the most "friendly" survival I've watched. The mentors were highly recognized singers and actors, especially in Thailand and China, such as Jackson Wang, Ten, and Nene. The contestants came from different parts of Asia, which made it more interesting since the idea was to form a debut group with diverse backgrounds. In the first episodes, the girls were able to showcase their individual talents, which I found interesting. This is something that might be considered unacceptable in Korean survival shows-for instance, the way the mentors and trainees interacted. There was no harsh or humiliating feedback, no censored songs, and both sides even made jokes and laughed together. Some contestants focused solely on singing, others only on dancing, and the mentors gave constructive advice without being overly critical. Additionally, it didn’t seem like a rigged show because the trainees were chosen solely by public votes. For example, there was live voting during competitions, alongside the online and global voting system. At least if any judge had a favorite contestant, it was never shown-maybe they edited it out. My only reservation is that, like in many other shows, there were minors among the contestants. Some of the choreography felt inappropriate and uncomfortable to watch, which was shocking to me at times. That said, most of the girls were incredibly talented. The stages might not have been completely "perfect," but they were good considering the variety of skills and the different levels of training among the contestants. In my opinion, the best performance was "Nightwalker" by Ten. He not only "trained" the team but also participated in the performance himself (definitely check it out!). I’m not sure how many people watched this version of Chuang, but I’d love to read different opinions. The last episode aired in April, so I don’t remember all the details. By the way, the debut group is called Gen1es.
I mean look at KELLY yet people say PRETTY privilege is not real😭 she just make cringe faces like tiktoker rather than singing and dancing when it's what we should do to be a KPOP Idol 💀
I know that Kpop groups needs atleast one visual (Handsome\Pretty member) but those visual members usually have decent dancing or singing and have good stage presence and not bad at everything
I wish you would have went over the disaster that was Boys24, another Mnet boys survival show that came out before Produce 101 Season 2 but quickly right after Season 1 ended. From contestants and member issues to just the overall energy of the show... it was not it to say the least. As a viewer of the show while it was active and a fan of the final group, IN2IT (now SKYE), I feel like this show is completely forgotten when it comes to bringing up the fuckery that is Mnet survival shows. It's also unfortunate that a lot of the articles for the show are no longer easily available for research. edit: Just wanted to add that I am someone who watches a lot of these shows including the Chinese and Japanese ones, and I still find Boys24 to be one of the cruelest.
I remember this mess every single time there's a small mention of survival shows (alongside Mixnine) and there's a possibility that Mnet doesn't want people to remember that this show existed. To what I remember (and don't quote me on this), during the first few episodes of Produce X101 and Treasure Box, both shows had trainees that also participated in Boys24, but never showed any footage or even mentioned that those contestants participated in a survival show previously (which surprised me with Produce because this show and Boys24 were both ran by Mnet and you would think they would be able to use any footage they had to build a small backstory for those boys).
@monib111 That was the conclusion I came to as well. If we take an even further step back, we should consider the formation of VIXX and their survival show competition type with the show MyDOL, which was also produced by Mnet. That company has had their hands in these things for a long time now. You're correct on PDX101. 4 of the boys were contestants for Mixnine, and 1 was a Boys24 contestant. I didn't have the heart to watch Treasure Box at the time. For Boys24 specifically, I remember several of the boys from the 24 members asking fans not to vote for them to make it into the final group, countless injuries yet still being forced to perform, several member controversies - it's no wonder they don't want to ever bring the show nor the group up in any context. One of my picks was a YG trainee prior, and even when asked to come back afterward, he declined despite having such a strong dream to be a singer and idol. In another world, one of my other picks would have maybe debut under SM as a main vocal. Currently, one of my other picks is a tattoo artist after his group disbanded. People need to realize how awful Mnet truly is. I loved all the groups made by their shows, but it shouldn't have been at the cost of this.
Universe League just started but it's promising. The cast act friendly, and all contestants are at least reasonably talented. There's a little overdramatization like every survival show, but it's nowhere as bad as the Produce series, so very tolerable.
Imagine being a foreign contestant, interrupting the show and speaking up about mistreatment of others, KNOWING it could hurt the judges' impression of you (and in turn, your career). And getting shunned for it! Sun Ying Hao is a brave person. I wish they had responded to him properly.
Maybe it’s bc she is my favourite, but I’ve liked the show Wendy (Red Velvet) is mentoring on and how she personally teaches. I hate when the mentors look like they’re just there to torment the contestants without giving proper instruction on how to do better.
For good survival shows, I'd recommend SBS's two boy group shows!!! 1. Loud (2021) was a survival show I personally really liked, it was judged by PSY and JYP and there was no evil editing or drama amongst the trainees! The performances were also insane, and a lot of the songs were self written and produced by the contestants. The trainees didn't seem to be overworked, some of the students even went to school as usual during the show! The show had very unique rounds in the second half of the show. There were two final groups - The New Six (debuted 2022 under P Nation) and Kickflip (they'll debut under JYP in January 2025!) 2. Universe League (2024) just started, but it seems really promising! It has a unique sports concept with a different format to the average survival show, featuring teams. Unlike a lot of other shows, most of the more popular trainees are over the age of 20 and are really talented. The contestants were all picked quite well, and there are so many talents that I'm really looking forward too!
the only survival ive watched in real time is PeakTime tbh it was a really nice one, everyone was friends with each other and it wasnt cruel, now I'm watching project7 bc my bae173 boys are there, i tried to watch starlight boys but it was really awful
I'm still watching Starlight Boys and it has to be the cruelest survival show there is... Besides the episode 2 infinite signal song challenge the whatever round was next changes the contestants votes depending on which group won the rounds and depending on the contestants vote placements during the live performances (depending only on the live votes tho -- and meaning the winner groups 1st place gets 70k more votes and the loser groups 7th place loses 70k votes and winner 2nd place 60k more votes and loser 6th place loses 60k votes and so on). I kinda get that they want to keep the most entertaining live performers in the show, but it's a very cruel way to take away the votes from other contestants... and most of the fans are there anyways so it's not nearly always that the most talented ones get the most votes... 😮💨After that round people can also buy votes (of course there's 1 free vote per day but still... 🙄) Correction: The vote stealing rambling part is about Project 7... I watch both of the shows at the same time and I was confusing myself lol...
@@jea9978 oh, my bad! I'm indeed watching both of the shows in support of the BAE173 members so it's no wonder I'm confusing them... Thanks for the correction!
28:09 you should try to watch NCT Universe: Lastart, the survival show that created NCT Wish. I think it's one of the better survival show (which came as a surprise since it's from sm). It didn't outsource judges, had no audience vote, had good quality trainees who showed good performances, and no unnecessary look into the trainees' bedrooms or orhter private places. It's a pretty straightforward one, but I don't think it's a bad thing. I wonder what you'd think of that one 😊
Yes! Now obviously I'm biased saying this as an NCTzen, but the show was surprisingly well-made given that SM didn't necessarily have the experience of producing or being involved with a show like this. They took out a potentially major source of controversy - audience voting - and kept it strictly to the judgment of SM's legacy of incredible performers (you can't go wrong with BoA as a lead judge, mentor, and co-host), which ensures the final group would have always been very talented from the jump. Not to mention you have actual NCT members throughout giving advice to their future teammates, so all in all it felt oddly more supportive, and much less dramatic than other survival shows. Very talent-focused, left very little room for drama since the trainees all essentially knew each other, and had excellent mentors. Very great show!
Please watch Universe League; it's a good survival show. I don't know if it's just me being subjective, so I want to hear your opinion about the show. But I confidently say that there are a lot of talented contestants there compared to common survival shows.
Plus, it's always said on iQiyi platform & everywhere as "iQIYI's first original talent show -a global male idol audition 'Starlight Boys'". So, it seems that the show is an original idea & mostly produced by iQiyi but SBS only co-produces it in terms of maybe like sharing the production costs & being the 2nd original network (broadcaster) to South Korean region.
Idk if you'd be interested in watching Japanese shows, but Produce 101 Japan (as the name implies, it's a spin-off) aired last year and it was HUGE in Japan. Also, there's "No No Girls" airing right now, and they do upload episodes to UA-cam, but they do have Hulu Japan exclusive content that isn't available on the YT version
I have not watched starlight boys cause i knew its gonna be awful based on GP999 already but when i saw IXFORM boys my heart sank... those poor guys, they already went through 1 survivor show(that ended in big scandal btw) just to be shoved into even worse one ;_;
thts why i dont watch starlight boys after the comment towards syio..and wht Lee seung gi said to the chinese contestant..just a worst survival show ever..
Lee Seung Gi technically _is_ already cancelled, before even Starlight Boys in South Korea. He fallen out of people's favors because he married Lee Da in, and believe it not, it wasn't the typical "NO MY OPPA WHO I'M PARASOCIALLY DATING GOT MARRIED 😭" reaction this time. His fans and the general public were mad because Lee Da in comes from a controversial family of scammers. Granted, Da in didn't publicly partake in or endorse the scams, and Seung Gi is an adult who can do whatever he wants when it comes to his love life. But the negative association of Lee Da In's family really badly rubbed off on Seung Gi's reputation, and some of his fans thought it was peak irony for Seung Gi to marry into a scammer family, when he famously fought back against his first entertainment label, because of how they exploited and scammed him out of his money. So domestically, before Starlight Boys, Seungi's reputation as SK's golden boy is in the toilet Now that Seung Gi is on an international show, he's now on i-netizens s***list, and the western audience is discovering his past. Ironically, fans joked and rumored that Seung Gi took up the judge gig to clean his tainted rep
What was especially sad about U2U was that there were actually some former idol contestants on it like Zi.u from Rania and Chohee from Saturday who obviously tried to get a second chance, but this show was never intended to actually create a successful group. Also will never get over the fact that they tried to push an 11-year old into an adult streaming project. Like what parents would even allow this??
Ikon and Winner's (and I think Twice's too) survival show is an internal project by their own company, an already big company who has produced legendary groups. But Up To You and Time Turner belong to questionable entities.
survival shows should have screening first before going to the live performance to prevent this kind of embarrassing moment for the young contestant who sometimes lead to bullying
I feel so bad for the actual former idols that were on Time Turner. The lineup had quite a few idols who were in nugu groups that disbanded. Sim Yerin was a member of Hi-L. Gwak Yujin was in eite and Lipbubble. Lea Navvab was a member of Viva. Dain was a member of Hot Issue. Khole Kim was in Majors.
just the first episode out but i feel like universe league has a great potential. its a new format with the contestants not competing against each other individually but 3 teams competing with eo to win the 'cup' and debut (much like a sports league). it has el capitxn and yugyeom as one team's director, ten and yangyang as the other teams and changsub as the third teams director plus jay park as mc i dont watch a lot of survival shows. the only ones i did watch were iland and few eps of makemate1
15:05 I think they just bring what’s behind the scene of kpop training to light; that’s why ningning said about trainee nearly giving up, she herself had to persevere Still, it’s too much to see it up-close and disturbing; they should be provided body training, health care, etc, like an already financially opted pop star before went on to Big scale level concert; not just normal homeboys running on marathon; that’s basically suicide, they should at least tell them in advanced 5-6 months or could even make it an episode to-be k-pop boys training physically ; before the tough game begin; that’ll be healthier Well, it’s a choice scripted by producer, and the said judge is also one of the great actor It shoots too many birds in one stone; publicity for the program, program producer, actor, contestants, even tv rating/streaming partnership if there’s any
If you want a decent (i think good) survival show with some nugu, but talented groups, watch Peak Time! It was such a breath of fresh air and it did so much for the winner!
Remember for starlight boys that this is most likely the type of training the judges had to endure to get where they are. Gen 2 trainee life was insane so I fully think we got a glimpse into why there's footage of GD sleeping in elevators as it went from floor to floor and passing out from heat exhaustion and refusing to go to the hospital because he wanted to preform. Even in gen 3 people had school during the day and trained most of the night with barely any sleep, I think starlight boys showed something that has always been a part of trainee life, pushing people to the limit to see who has the passion to make the show go on no matter how broken down their body feels. Having rehearsals of the same song for 6 hours straight isn't unheard of. I think it was shocking for people to see something that has been part of the industry for a long time.
Best Survival Shows for me : -Third place: Produce 101 1 n 2 Instead the controversial of the shows, i think at the both season ia better than the other produce series for the final line up debut. -Second place: Peak Time. I think this is the most 'angel' survival show. The participants also great. But why this show so underrated :( . -First Place The Unit. Actually i'm a lil confused what the first place between the unit and peak time because of the same reason. I pick the unit for the first place because that's the first survival show i watched.
I know it was shown a little bit here, but I personally watched I-Land2 n/A as it aired, and despite having only watched a few shows myself I thought it was pretty good! The structure was fun, the method of moving from I-Land to Ground was intriguing and the methods of shifting back and forth were entertaining but seemed rather fair. The songs used during the show were varied, a couple have been a little overused in survival shows but it's kind of par for the course. The finale broke my heart, though, and there were definitely some strange choices in showing the negative side of a specific contestant or two that did not need to be aired (irrelevant/seemed like it was to push audience away from her) - there was also a rivalry in the show that worked out okay in the end but felt a Little fueled by production staff. One contestant (who I LOVE. VERY MUCH.) had vocal breaks in mission after mission. While I wanted to root for her, there seemed to have been a twinge of favoritism in her direction too over girls who performed flawlessly but with little judge nitpicks. Also, the background of the contestants was really unclear to me as a viewer until I dug a little deeper. All of the contestants were WakeOne trainees, which they had every right to do but it meant these girls had been working around each other for sometimes years before the show aired. Bang Jeemin, the hyped former R U Next contestant, is shown much later in the series to have only been under WakeOne for ... two months? Before the show aired? So you come away from it all pretty certain the show had at least a vague vision and was crafted with a loose end goal in mind. And there were 100% trainees that were there to be quick voting-off fodder, which hurt - though many of them did get shown to be diamonds in the rough as it were, and their debuts are anticipated in the future. Ultimately, the debut group seems to be on a high rocketing trajectory and I hope they do well, though again the finale broke my heart and my favorite contestant didn't make it (this particular one felt SO different from other favorites not making it. I don't want to get into it without spoiling, but I can't look at the final group without being sad she's not there).
This pisses me off. Lee seung gi, as well as the other judges and the producers should be put in jail. YT doesn't allow me to say nice things so I'll stop here.
Dancing for an hour? Chhhh ... you haven't seen what Japanese alt idols will do for promotion: CURTAiN CALL -5H FULL ver.- / BiS . And, yes, I did at least listen to the entire thing while gaming. But tbf they knew going in that they'd be doing the song 100 times unlike the Starlight Boys contestants.
the last one is concerning (they all are) because theyre paying for votes, which means people (which i will assume the demographic was horny men, considering the cam thing) were paying for minors to win. but lets hope not
I spent literally a week watching these awful shows, and I think I've completely lost faith in the kpop survival show genre.... But if you have a good recommendations that you think will restore my faith then be sure to let me know it in the comments 😂❤
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I would recommend scool. That show has good vibes and literally the judges help teach the contestants.
You should check out UNIVERSE LEAGUE! It's a brand-new show, currently on its second episode, and trust me, it’s super exciting and not boring at all. The show is like a soccer-themed survival program, but instead of typical drama among trainees, the real competition is between the directors😂They’re the ones beefing with each other, which adds a hilarious twist to the whole concept.(i even witness a hybe vs sm in there just to get a certain trainee😭)
There are three teams competing against each other, and the ultimate winner will form the debut lineup for a new K-pop group. What’s cool is that there’s a twist: trainees can be "stolen" by rival teams to create stronger lineups. (This hasn’t aired yet, but the team that is coming out in the internet is different trainee of that group so it's certain ) There are only 42 trainees, and they’re all incredibly talented, which makes it harder for us to choose our main 😭
The first episode was already intense! The directors had to pick trainees from group performances, but if more than one director chose the same trainee, the trainee got to decide which team they wanted to join. It’s like soccer coaches scouting players, but with a K-pop twist. And the directors’ rivalry? Absolutely entertaining to watch!(still can't get over the hybe vs sm 😂)
I know my explanation might sound a little messy, but seriously, it’s such an interesting and unique show-you won’t get bored. Give it a try, and let me know what you think!
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Scool is so far seems to be the only Kpop Survival Shows that is very much Fair and Unbias let alone the Judges are very fair when it comes to their criticism and eliminations so I recommend you to watch it
when you said people were opting on Google Forms I LOST IT 😭
Whats wrong with google forms😭?
@@Chaewberrywonits cheap? I honestly dont know😭
I think they were at the google company idk
NOT THE GOOGLE FORMS.
@@Chaewberrywon Nothing wrong with Google forms, but it doesn’t look professional if you’re a production company.
To the judge's point of 'oh well, idols have to perform up to 30 songs in a concert so you should be able to as well'. Okay, but rookies idol groups don't perform in concerts right off the bat, and they work their stamina up to the point where they can. So gonna call bullshit on that one.
Exactly! Also, concerts will often have ment sections where they take a break for a few minutes and sometimes solo stages so everyone is getting breaks for that too.
even if they had a debut concert, no rookie debuts with a 30 song album so he's still wrong 😭😅
Even in kpop concerts i went there and kpop idols don't dance non-stop there are vcr, ballad songs that idols sings only and not dance, moments they go backstage to change their outfits etc. So Lee seung gi said bullshit, is wrong
Also Kpop idols don't dance to every single song at their concert they have songs where they just stand and sing so they can have a break from dancing
Agree! And there are ballad songs that idols can sit or stand to sing and don't have to dance. With groups, they can have solo/mini groups stages so other members can change their outfits and recover their stamina. Idols will have small talk to fans between songs in other to connect to fans, make the crowd more hype to the next song and the most important is to catch a breath and take a little rest too
Korea is confusing. No kdrama kiss ‘til episode 15…but they greenlight adult streamers with high schoolers?
Not high schoolers, PRIMARY SCHOOL KIDS (the youngest was 9 years old)
Something is off with that country. #1 Su**ide rate in the world for some reason.
@@ploopy678yeah and she won 😭
@@SweetforSNot to support that but she’s an icon.
I am so angry at the judges from starlight boys I mean K-pop idols will have break in between the concert and K-pop concert is 4 hours or so but for 30 minute of the time they were not dancing.
It actually got better, the judge/guider you are talking abt is the only problem in the show.... iqiyi production did a wonderful job except for that one horrible thing
And it won't be a surprise! BTS know they're gonna perform 25 songs... It's harder when you're not prepared mentally at all because you thought you would perform once
ikr!!! like even ateez a seasoned group when performing coachella i.e 45 min stage had at the very least a 5 min break for their ment plus they werent dancing all the time they had rest parts in their songs and even then they were too tired so its not like its a requirement for kpop grps to perform for soo long without a break
What is worst is that Lee Seung Gi, has spoken about the abuse he suffered under his company for almost 20 years. He even has an act with his name.
PS:I thought ILAND would be here as well, I guess it's not the case.
All three shows are bad, but Starlight Boys is honestly sinister. What made them think that physical abuse and suffering would entertain fans? I guess they took young adult dystopian novels too seriously...
RIGHT! I'm literally so sick of it
Most of the songs that groups or idols perform on stage don’t even require choreography, oh and one more thing, IDOLS TAKE BREAKS FROM TIME TO TIME WHETHER THEY ARE ON TOUR OR PERFORMING ON STAGE! Not over exhaust themselves until they can’t breathe. Fans will STILL be grateful to see their idols on stage even during breaks as they obviously don’t want to see them die from exhaustion smh 🤦♂️
@@bhriannphilipLee Seungi is a hypocrite he literally sued his former company for mistreatment and here he is dumping his past experience to kids and young adults smh
starlight boys dance thing is genuinely horrifying
clicked,and immediately thought of time turner…im sorry but like you know its going to be bad when its airing on tiktok,not to mention no professionally trained judges as well..
I think that, so far, Chuang Asia Thailand has been the most "friendly" survival I've watched.
The mentors were highly recognized singers and actors, especially in Thailand and China, such as Jackson Wang, Ten, and Nene. The contestants came from different parts of Asia, which made it more interesting since the idea was to form a debut group with diverse backgrounds.
In the first episodes, the girls were able to showcase their individual talents, which I found interesting. This is something that might be considered unacceptable in Korean survival shows-for instance, the way the mentors and trainees interacted. There was no harsh or humiliating feedback, no censored songs, and both sides even made jokes and laughed together. Some contestants focused solely on singing, others only on dancing, and the mentors gave constructive advice without being overly critical.
Additionally, it didn’t seem like a rigged show because the trainees were chosen solely by public votes. For example, there was live voting during competitions, alongside the online and global voting system. At least if any judge had a favorite contestant, it was never shown-maybe they edited it out.
My only reservation is that, like in many other shows, there were minors among the contestants. Some of the choreography felt inappropriate and uncomfortable to watch, which was shocking to me at times.
That said, most of the girls were incredibly talented. The stages might not have been completely "perfect," but they were good considering the variety of skills and the different levels of training among the contestants. In my opinion, the best performance was "Nightwalker" by Ten. He not only "trained" the team but also participated in the performance himself (definitely check it out!).
I’m not sure how many people watched this version of Chuang, but I’d love to read different opinions. The last episode aired in April, so I don’t remember all the details.
By the way, the debut group is called Gen1es.
Ohh I can recommend the survival show Scool! The judges are like so good at being helpful and there is such a good vibe in the show!
Someone had said kelly gives zepeto character vibe 😭and i Agree to it 🥰
HELPP WHY IS IT GETTINF REALER THE MORE I LOOK AT HER
I mean look at KELLY yet people say PRETTY privilege is not real😭 she just make cringe faces like tiktoker rather than singing and dancing when it's what we should do to be a KPOP Idol 💀
I know that Kpop groups needs atleast one visual (Handsome\Pretty member) but those visual members usually have decent dancing or singing and have good stage presence and not bad at everything
I haven't watched this whole video. But isn't their "show" more like tiktok? Lmao
why are we TALKING like THIS
@@proboffensive because I want 🥰
Gosh what the hell are these shows
WAIT A MINUTE!! @ 5:00 you should have warned us! that was painful to hear!!!!
I wish you would have went over the disaster that was Boys24, another Mnet boys survival show that came out before Produce 101 Season 2 but quickly right after Season 1 ended. From contestants and member issues to just the overall energy of the show... it was not it to say the least.
As a viewer of the show while it was active and a fan of the final group, IN2IT (now SKYE), I feel like this show is completely forgotten when it comes to bringing up the fuckery that is Mnet survival shows. It's also unfortunate that a lot of the articles for the show are no longer easily available for research.
edit: Just wanted to add that I am someone who watches a lot of these shows including the Chinese and Japanese ones, and I still find Boys24 to be one of the cruelest.
I remember this mess every single time there's a small mention of survival shows (alongside Mixnine) and there's a possibility that Mnet doesn't want people to remember that this show existed. To what I remember (and don't quote me on this), during the first few episodes of Produce X101 and Treasure Box, both shows had trainees that also participated in Boys24, but never showed any footage or even mentioned that those contestants participated in a survival show previously (which surprised me with Produce because this show and Boys24 were both ran by Mnet and you would think they would be able to use any footage they had to build a small backstory for those boys).
@monib111 That was the conclusion I came to as well. If we take an even further step back, we should consider the formation of VIXX and their survival show competition type with the show MyDOL, which was also produced by Mnet.
That company has had their hands in these things for a long time now. You're correct on PDX101. 4 of the boys were contestants for Mixnine, and 1 was a Boys24 contestant. I didn't have the heart to watch Treasure Box at the time.
For Boys24 specifically, I remember several of the boys from the 24 members asking fans not to vote for them to make it into the final group, countless injuries yet still being forced to perform, several member controversies - it's no wonder they don't want to ever bring the show nor the group up in any context. One of my picks was a YG trainee prior, and even when asked to come back afterward, he declined despite having such a strong dream to be a singer and idol. In another world, one of my other picks would have maybe debut under SM as a main vocal. Currently, one of my other picks is a tattoo artist after his group disbanded.
People need to realize how awful Mnet truly is. I loved all the groups made by their shows, but it shouldn't have been at the cost of this.
In2it is still around?! I didn't realise they changed their name, I thought they just quietly disbanded!
wait i heard of skye recently, isn’t one of the members on project 7 or something?
@@einaanna They left MMO Ent in 2020 and rebranded in 2023!
As an outsider of the kpop community, this is the kind of overview, summary, and detailed presentation that we need! thank you
actually watching your vids within the first 4 minutes of upload, notification bell need me for updates
This is wild, i cant believe they allowed contestants to dance like that in front of children
14:57 But we are human, not machines. RESPECT
i stumbled on to time turner and omg. my ears are still ringing and ended up with double vision for a solid minute
I don’t know those survival shows exist until I noticed the news and videos on UA-cam
You should do a retrospective on The Unit which aired on KBS back in 2017! It’s been a while so many new kpop fans prob havent heard of it
Universe League just started but it's promising. The cast act friendly, and all contestants are at least reasonably talented. There's a little overdramatization like every survival show, but it's nowhere as bad as the Produce series, so very tolerable.
I watched 2 episodes and it was fairly good.
Hahahah love the survival show parts with all the contestant gossiping 😂😂😂😂
Imagine being a foreign contestant, interrupting the show and speaking up about mistreatment of others, KNOWING it could hurt the judges' impression of you (and in turn, your career). And getting shunned for it! Sun Ying Hao is a brave person. I wish they had responded to him properly.
21:03 is lowkey killing me - why’s she getting outdanced by someone in the “audience”?
I'm truly horrified. I'm getting angry. These poor kids on these awful shows.
Maybe it’s bc she is my favourite, but I’ve liked the show Wendy (Red Velvet) is mentoring on and how she personally teaches. I hate when the mentors look like they’re just there to torment the contestants without giving proper instruction on how to do better.
My favourite survival show would be Produce 101 season 2. Not kpop but china idol producer season 1 was iconic, too bad the management f-up 9percent.
For good survival shows, I'd recommend SBS's two boy group shows!!!
1. Loud (2021) was a survival show I personally really liked, it was judged by PSY and JYP and there was no evil editing or drama amongst the trainees! The performances were also insane, and a lot of the songs were self written and produced by the contestants. The trainees didn't seem to be overworked, some of the students even went to school as usual during the show! The show had very unique rounds in the second half of the show. There were two final groups - The New Six (debuted 2022 under P Nation) and Kickflip (they'll debut under JYP in January 2025!)
2. Universe League (2024) just started, but it seems really promising! It has a unique sports concept with a different format to the average survival show, featuring teams. Unlike a lot of other shows, most of the more popular trainees are over the age of 20 and are really talented. The contestants were all picked quite well, and there are so many talents that I'm really looking forward too!
Time Turner is a big joke like you can't tell me thats an actual kpop survival show no way 😭☠️
Starlight Boys is disgusting wow
the only survival ive watched in real time is PeakTime tbh it was a really nice one, everyone was friends with each other and it wasnt cruel, now I'm watching project7 bc my bae173 boys are there, i tried to watch starlight boys but it was really awful
I'm still watching Starlight Boys and it has to be the cruelest survival show there is... Besides the episode 2 infinite signal song challenge the whatever round was next changes the contestants votes depending on which group won the rounds and depending on the contestants vote placements during the live performances (depending only on the live votes tho -- and meaning the winner groups 1st place gets 70k more votes and the loser groups 7th place loses 70k votes and winner 2nd place 60k more votes and loser 6th place loses 60k votes and so on). I kinda get that they want to keep the most entertaining live performers in the show, but it's a very cruel way to take away the votes from other contestants... and most of the fans are there anyways so it's not nearly always that the most talented ones get the most votes... 😮💨After that round people can also buy votes (of course there's 1 free vote per day but still... 🙄)
Correction: The vote stealing rambling part is about Project 7... I watch both of the shows at the same time and I was confusing myself lol...
i think you're confusing starlight boys to project 7 😅
the stealing vote one is from project 7, starlight boys didn't have that kind of system
@@jea9978 oh, my bad! I'm indeed watching both of the shows in support of the BAE173 members so it's no wonder I'm confusing them... Thanks for the correction!
28:09 you should try to watch NCT Universe: Lastart, the survival show that created NCT Wish. I think it's one of the better survival show (which came as a surprise since it's from sm). It didn't outsource judges, had no audience vote, had good quality trainees who showed good performances, and no unnecessary look into the trainees' bedrooms or orhter private places. It's a pretty straightforward one, but I don't think it's a bad thing. I wonder what you'd think of that one 😊
Yes! Now obviously I'm biased saying this as an NCTzen, but the show was surprisingly well-made given that SM didn't necessarily have the experience of producing or being involved with a show like this. They took out a potentially major source of controversy - audience voting - and kept it strictly to the judgment of SM's legacy of incredible performers (you can't go wrong with BoA as a lead judge, mentor, and co-host), which ensures the final group would have always been very talented from the jump.
Not to mention you have actual NCT members throughout giving advice to their future teammates, so all in all it felt oddly more supportive, and much less dramatic than other survival shows. Very talent-focused, left very little room for drama since the trainees all essentially knew each other, and had excellent mentors. Very great show!
Watch Universe League ! And do a reaction! I love it btw!
LIPBUBBLE will always find a way to make their story even more of a mess
THIS IS LITERALLY THE DEFINITION OF PURE CRUELTY! 😭😭😭
Kpopalypse thanks you for your sacrifice, Ploopy!
I had no idea about Starlight Boys being like this..OMG
Please watch Universe League; it's a good survival show. I don't know if it's just me being subjective, so I want to hear your opinion about the show. But I confidently say that there are a lot of talented contestants there compared to common survival shows.
sbs really produce most harsh survival shows from LOUD, Universe ticket and now starlight boys.
Starlight Boys is mostly produced & owned by iQiyi even though it's stated as a co-production of iQiyi & SBS.
Plus, it's always said on iQiyi platform & everywhere as "iQIYI's first original talent show -a global male idol audition 'Starlight Boys'". So, it seems that the show is an original idea & mostly produced by iQiyi but SBS only co-produces it in terms of maybe like sharing the production costs & being the 2nd original network (broadcaster) to South Korean region.
Yeahh, you have uploaded it finally laa.❤❤❤ thanks for sharing this story 😊
thank you for making this 😭😭 i was so curious about the shows but couldn’t bring myself to….
When i heard the judges from Starlight Boys say Hangyul didn't have charm, i knew it was over. What a joke
i was just watching your videos what are the chancessss
Idk if you'd be interested in watching Japanese shows, but Produce 101 Japan (as the name implies, it's a spin-off) aired last year and it was HUGE in Japan. Also, there's "No No Girls" airing right now, and they do upload episodes to UA-cam, but they do have Hulu Japan exclusive content that isn't available on the YT version
I have not watched starlight boys cause i knew its gonna be awful based on GP999 already but when i saw IXFORM boys my heart sank... those poor guys, they already went through 1 survivor show(that ended in big scandal btw) just to be shoved into even worse one ;_;
when i saw time turner on 3rd, i was wondering how worse the other could be because imo this is the trash of the trashest survival show lol
Agree
thts why i dont watch starlight boys after the comment towards syio..and wht Lee seung gi said to the chinese contestant..just a worst survival show ever..
Bruh it’s so good syo is black so what
Scool is a pretty good survival show. It just eneded and it’s got some good advice giving in it
dafuq are these shows
Why is Lee Seunggi not being cancelled yet? I've had enough of this guy.
Gotta admit seunggi just better stay as mc like in pd48 instead of mentor 💀💀💀
Lee Seung Gi technically _is_ already cancelled, before even Starlight Boys in South Korea. He fallen out of people's favors because he married Lee Da in, and believe it not, it wasn't the typical "NO MY OPPA WHO I'M PARASOCIALLY DATING GOT MARRIED 😭" reaction this time. His fans and the general public were mad because Lee Da in comes from a controversial family of scammers. Granted, Da in didn't publicly partake in or endorse the scams, and Seung Gi is an adult who can do whatever he wants when it comes to his love life.
But the negative association of Lee Da In's family really badly rubbed off on Seung Gi's reputation, and some of his fans thought it was peak irony for Seung Gi to marry into a scammer family, when he famously fought back against his first entertainment label, because of how they exploited and scammed him out of his money. So domestically, before Starlight Boys, Seungi's reputation as SK's golden boy is in the toilet
Now that Seung Gi is on an international show, he's now on i-netizens s***list, and the western audience is discovering his past. Ironically, fans joked and rumored that Seung Gi took up the judge gig to clean his tainted rep
What was especially sad about U2U was that there were actually some former idol contestants on it like Zi.u from Rania and Chohee from Saturday who obviously tried to get a second chance, but this show was never intended to actually create a successful group.
Also will never get over the fact that they tried to push an 11-year old into an adult streaming project. Like what parents would even allow this??
You caught my WHOLE attention... this video was so interesting
People continuously complain about these types of shows yet always watch them.
Ikon and Winner's (and I think Twice's too) survival show is an internal project by their own company, an already big company who has produced legendary groups. But Up To You and Time Turner belong to questionable entities.
survival shows should have screening first before going to the live performance to prevent this kind of embarrassing moment for the young contestant who sometimes lead to bullying
the survival show fatigue is real. ever since produce x 101 the genre has been getting worse and worse
I don't think they're the worst but not the best
I feel so bad for the actual former idols that were on Time Turner. The lineup had quite a few idols who were in nugu groups that disbanded. Sim Yerin was a member of Hi-L. Gwak Yujin was in eite and Lipbubble. Lea Navvab was a member of Viva. Dain was a member of Hot Issue. Khole Kim was in Majors.
Never watched time turner but once I heard dain ex member from hot issue got eliminated I was pissed ngl
There will never be a group to hit #1 like the older groups without these survival shows debut.
Wild idol and girls reverse
So those were the worst 3 shows, what about the best 3 shows?
I guess Iland season 1 had been eliminated. I mean, Iland season 1 did make enhypen/Iland trainees traumatized...
5:29 YUJIN SCREENTIME!!! WE LOVE YOU QUEEN!!!
just the first episode out but i feel like universe league has a great potential. its a new format with the contestants not competing against each other individually but 3 teams competing with eo to win the 'cup' and debut (much like a sports league). it has el capitxn and yugyeom as one team's director, ten and yangyang as the other teams and changsub as the third teams director plus jay park as mc
i dont watch a lot of survival shows. the only ones i did watch were iland and few eps of makemate1
YAY!! NEW VIDS!!
good video as usual 🤗
15:05 I think they just bring what’s behind the scene of kpop training to light; that’s why ningning said about trainee nearly giving up, she herself had to persevere
Still, it’s too much to see it up-close and disturbing; they should be provided body training, health care, etc, like an already financially opted pop star before went on to Big scale level concert; not just normal homeboys running on marathon; that’s basically suicide, they should at least tell them in advanced 5-6 months or could even make it an episode to-be k-pop boys training physically ; before the tough game begin; that’ll be healthier
Well, it’s a choice scripted by producer, and the said judge is also one of the great actor
It shoots too many birds in one stone; publicity for the program, program producer, actor, contestants, even tv rating/streaming partnership if there’s any
14:10 MORTAL KOMBAT REFERENCE AAAAGGGHHHH 🗣️‼️
I'd love to see what you said on iland2 if u have done a video!
omg you are so prettyyyyyyyyy
The Produce101 PD needs to Comeback yeah he rigged the show but atleast he knows how to make a Good show and a Well Balanced Group.
How have you not heard of Queen Wasabi?! I even saw her live in Korea. 😅
Lmao not time turner doing the same voting system as my survival show fanfic 😭😭😭
If you want a decent (i think good) survival show with some nugu, but talented groups, watch Peak Time! It was such a breath of fresh air and it did so much for the winner!
IZNA COVER PLS ❤❤
Remember for starlight boys that this is most likely the type of training the judges had to endure to get where they are. Gen 2 trainee life was insane so I fully think we got a glimpse into why there's footage of GD sleeping in elevators as it went from floor to floor and passing out from heat exhaustion and refusing to go to the hospital because he wanted to preform. Even in gen 3 people had school during the day and trained most of the night with barely any sleep, I think starlight boys showed something that has always been a part of trainee life, pushing people to the limit to see who has the passion to make the show go on no matter how broken down their body feels. Having rehearsals of the same song for 6 hours straight isn't unheard of. I think it was shocking for people to see something that has been part of the industry for a long time.
funny and entertaining vid!
Best Survival Shows for me :
-Third place:
Produce 101 1 n 2
Instead the controversial of the shows, i think at the both season ia better than the other produce series for the final line up debut.
-Second place:
Peak Time.
I think this is the most 'angel' survival show. The participants also great. But why this show so underrated :( .
-First Place
The Unit.
Actually i'm a lil confused what the first place between the unit and peak time because of the same reason. I pick the unit for the first place because that's the first survival show i watched.
I know it was shown a little bit here, but I personally watched I-Land2 n/A as it aired, and despite having only watched a few shows myself I thought it was pretty good! The structure was fun, the method of moving from I-Land to Ground was intriguing and the methods of shifting back and forth were entertaining but seemed rather fair. The songs used during the show were varied, a couple have been a little overused in survival shows but it's kind of par for the course.
The finale broke my heart, though, and there were definitely some strange choices in showing the negative side of a specific contestant or two that did not need to be aired (irrelevant/seemed like it was to push audience away from her) - there was also a rivalry in the show that worked out okay in the end but felt a Little fueled by production staff. One contestant (who I LOVE. VERY MUCH.) had vocal breaks in mission after mission. While I wanted to root for her, there seemed to have been a twinge of favoritism in her direction too over girls who performed flawlessly but with little judge nitpicks.
Also, the background of the contestants was really unclear to me as a viewer until I dug a little deeper. All of the contestants were WakeOne trainees, which they had every right to do but it meant these girls had been working around each other for sometimes years before the show aired. Bang Jeemin, the hyped former R U Next contestant, is shown much later in the series to have only been under WakeOne for ... two months? Before the show aired? So you come away from it all pretty certain the show had at least a vague vision and was crafted with a loose end goal in mind. And there were 100% trainees that were there to be quick voting-off fodder, which hurt - though many of them did get shown to be diamonds in the rough as it were, and their debuts are anticipated in the future.
Ultimately, the debut group seems to be on a high rocketing trajectory and I hope they do well, though again the finale broke my heart and my favorite contestant didn't make it (this particular one felt SO different from other favorites not making it. I don't want to get into it without spoiling, but I can't look at the final group without being sad she's not there).
IZNA DANCE COVER PLS ❤❤
Time to watch Up To You for research
Good luck! 😂
This pisses me off. Lee seung gi, as well as the other judges and the producers should be put in jail. YT doesn't allow me to say nice things so I'll stop here.
Uptoyou sounds awful!
I'd respect I-LAND more than this one hell of a so called survival show
YES A UA-camR WITH A TIKTOK ACC THANK YOU
Mind you I HAVE heard of Queen Wasabi 😋 YES she’s an icon and YES she’s underrated
iland2 was good
Her dances are soooooo GOOD! She moves exactly like the Kpop idols. A+++❤❤❤
Dancing for an hour? Chhhh ... you haven't seen what Japanese alt idols will do for promotion: CURTAiN CALL -5H FULL ver.- / BiS . And, yes, I did at least listen to the entire thing while gaming. But tbf they knew going in that they'd be doing the song 100 times unlike the Starlight Boys contestants.
the last one is concerning (they all are) because theyre paying for votes, which means people (which i will assume the demographic was horny men, considering the cam thing) were paying for minors to win. but lets hope not
OMG PLOOPY UPLOADED AND IM 1 MIN EARLY AHHHHHHHHHHHHH
The reason why this shows were even possible is because ppl are desperate to become k pop idol even with zero talent
Clearly time turner was the worst survival show ever for me, i could tell it without watching it 💀
I am seated
14:08 that's crazy
I still watch Starlight Boys