When to Fold Despite Extreme Pot Odds (Hand Reading Tips)

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  • @CrushlivePoker
    @CrushlivePoker  10 днів тому +6

    How would you have reacted to the big blind's unexpected lead on the flop?

    • @GWOAT
      @GWOAT 10 днів тому +2

      Shoved on him

    • @nonleague8613
      @nonleague8613 10 днів тому +2

      As played. TJ, AJ KQ. Nothing that he beats gets to the river.

    • @GWOAT
      @GWOAT 10 днів тому +2

      ​@@nonleague8613Even 10 10 a possibility

    • @nonleague8613
      @nonleague8613 10 днів тому

      @@GWOAT ruling out TT given the limp call pf. Very unlikely any sets on the flop.

    • @EricA-xd9fn
      @EricA-xd9fn 10 днів тому +1

      12:06 "What is the purpose of betting $300 here?" Bart throwing darts!

  • @Mark-u3s8s
    @Mark-u3s8s 10 днів тому +78

    Really sorry about this call guys. Didn’t think that Bart would upload it because I was all over the place, but I’m happy he did. Main reason I called it in was to see if I should have turned this into a 2-street game by making the raise bigger on the flop since I was more deep with villain #2. After Bart mentioned the bigger straight on the turn, I realized the play was probably to just check despite the sizing on the flop. Anyway, I was kinda nervous and tripping over myself since this was my first call. Also, I’m a recreational player so that doesn’t help either.

    • @andrewbrown7408
      @andrewbrown7408 10 днів тому +32

      No need to apologize. I can never remember my hands 5 minutes after it ends.

    • @datsumcrzysht
      @datsumcrzysht 10 днів тому +23

      Don’t be apologetic, you’re fine, this is how we all learn. In another couple of years, you’ll be able to better range opponents and bet accordingly.

    • @atfti
      @atfti 10 днів тому +9

      Calling in and giving hand histories is the only way to get better at giving hand histories. You'll come to find that all the details matter. KQ is a significant portion of BB's range, but after the fold on the turn, it's not so bad. The river card is wildly brutal, but without seeing the showdown, I'm of the opinion that a fold is in order (especially given your player read), but I really wouldn't blame you if you called. KQ isn't in UTG's range too often. For the future, keep in mind that effective stacks are stacks belonging to the person with the least chips in it. As long as that player's in, then you can only win that much heads up. Where it goes multiway, effective stacks change based on whether that person folds or goes all in.

    • @nicholi2789
      @nicholi2789 10 днів тому +7

      You did just fine man. Don’t sweat it

    • @EllieBanks333
      @EllieBanks333 10 днів тому +6

      You did great. I also thought you played it decent. Your sizing on flop was just a tad small, but definitely not a flawed amount. I would have jammed on turn though. I was not as concerned with KQ as Bart. KQ will usually open pre, rather than limp. And on this flop it is not that likely to donk from first position multiway. I mean... UTG could have limp called KQ off, then flopped too good to escape [although it really should fold after you raised - but almost no one will ever make this play].
      The river is boring, even with the supposed "pot odds". Trivial fold.

  • @montezuma6962
    @montezuma6962 10 днів тому +16

    Fact: there's no such thing as a clean runout when you flop a straight.

    • @burkhartlaw1
      @burkhartlaw1 10 днів тому +1

      Turn brings in a flush. River pairs the board. Always.

    • @jebbey16
      @jebbey16 10 днів тому

      True, true. Last session, I flopped broadway with AJo. Turn is K and river is Q. Both opponents made boats.

    • @Nosirt
      @Nosirt 10 днів тому

      😂 I had 87, flop: TJ9, turn 8, river T,

    • @williamr4053
      @williamr4053 9 днів тому

      Only clean run out for a straight is you flop the nut end of the straight and the turn and river add to the dummy end of the straight. So 7 card nut straight.
      I will always say a flopped straight is one of the hardest hands to play multi-way, as everyone else can draw to a better hand but yourself.

  • @GWOAT
    @GWOAT 10 днів тому +7

    Barts Bots out in force 😂

    • @EllieBanks333
      @EllieBanks333 10 днів тому +3

      I really want to know what this means, but I have a feeling you are not going to tell me.

  • @elindauer
    @elindauer 10 днів тому +4

    She might have Q9s as a bluff, but she has to pull the trigger with not much behind and hero showing strength the whole way. Given the player description I think good fold.

  • @corley-ai
    @corley-ai 10 днів тому +8

    I'm pushing that turn. if they have KQ, oh well.

    • @RemyLB
      @RemyLB 9 днів тому +1

      This made me laugh so hard cause this is me 100%

  • @sunchung4957
    @sunchung4957 10 днів тому +15

    She has J10

    • @mrhumble2937
      @mrhumble2937 10 днів тому +2

      Or J7, or 77. Not sure why they didn't come up

    • @MyComedyStore
      @MyComedyStore 10 днів тому

      @@mrhumble2937 you would think 77 would raise the flop, but maybe not a woman at 2/5

    • @mrhumble2937
      @mrhumble2937 10 днів тому

      @MyComedyStore yea maybe scared a straight out there. But one of those 3. So same stuff, actually lost min.

    • @EllieBanks333
      @EllieBanks333 10 днів тому +1

      @@mrhumble2937 She limped J7 from UTG??

    • @keyguy4752
      @keyguy4752 10 днів тому +1

      Yep or possibly 77, I'm thinking J,10 is most likely though.

  • @supersmoo7377
    @supersmoo7377 День тому +1

    Am I crazy thinking it should’ve been raised to at least 40 pre-flop facing two limps?

  • @matthewmille
    @matthewmille 10 днів тому +1

    I had a similar hand one time. Had 89 suited and flopped this exact straight. Checked to me. I bet big and villain called. Turn was a queen so now I have the sucker end of the straight. He checked. I bet big, villain called. River was a king and he leads all in. Now I lose to any ace. Sick runout and had to fold.

    • @Young-ep8ik
      @Young-ep8ik 10 днів тому

      Doesn’t sound similar at all. The villain in your hand has a lot of bluffs that you beat, unless his allin also gave you something like 6 to 1 to call.

  • @TomRauhe
    @TomRauhe 10 днів тому +1

    Fascinating how little people think about "what is their range" not coming up with "Ace is the worst card in the deck"

  • @jovanmaric6160
    @jovanmaric6160 9 днів тому

    Great video

  • @mrhumble2937
    @mrhumble2937 10 днів тому +1

    On flop. I put them on two pair. 777 ect

  • @thomasrichardson-ev1wp
    @thomasrichardson-ev1wp 10 днів тому +1

    My prediction is set of 7s vs kq for open ended

  • @Donkadocus
    @Donkadocus 9 днів тому

    Solid fold

  • @mrhumble2937
    @mrhumble2937 10 днів тому +4

    Why couldnt she have 77 which makes a full house? Thats what i put her on.

    • @mrhumble2937
      @mrhumble2937 10 днів тому +2

      Or J7

    • @mrhumble2937
      @mrhumble2937 10 днів тому +2

      Or j10. All the marginal hand flop hits

    • @MyComedyStore
      @MyComedyStore 10 днів тому +1

      She should raise && on the flop, but maybe not a woman at 2/5.

    • @nicholi2789
      @nicholi2789 10 днів тому +1

      I was thinking 77/J10/ and some KQ.

    • @Fred-rg5vw
      @Fred-rg5vw 10 днів тому +1

      ​@MyComedyStore
      Could you expand on the "woman at 2/5 " thing ?
      Are they generally nits ?

  • @armank9927
    @armank9927 10 днів тому

    Splashy player maybe call. Could have trip jacks and put u on AK or AQ but to a nit snap fold

  • @frederickmccabe5675
    @frederickmccabe5675 8 днів тому +1

    Does it make me a nit that this river is a trivial food for me? Board runs out worst card/worst card.

    • @Mark-u3s8s
      @Mark-u3s8s 8 днів тому

      After the hand was over and I thought about it, I realized that it shouldn’t have taken me more than a minute to fold, especially with the way villain was playing.

  • @4betjam604
    @4betjam604 10 днів тому +2

    No ace, no nine, and please don’t pair the board! Ok, so what was the turn? The Ace of clubs……😂😂😂 in all seriousness I think I like a massive raise otf…like 400 looking to easily jam turn…

  • @joncorb540
    @joncorb540 8 днів тому

    Raise to 300 on the flop. Shove the turn. Cry when she calls and rivers the boat. Easy game.

  • @UncleJoeLITE
    @UncleJoeLITE 9 днів тому

    Good fold, even though it hurt.

  • @8532556
    @8532556 10 днів тому +4

    this lvl of thinking playing 2-5?

    • @TheGuyCalledX
      @TheGuyCalledX 10 днів тому +1

      Yeah I'm now sure how you don't consider KQ

    • @supersmoo7377
      @supersmoo7377 День тому +1

      No insult to the caller, but many times when I hear a 2/5 hand called in and I listen to the action of the other players and the caller, it certainly makes me want to go straight to 2/5 after playing 1/3 for a while.

  • @Mossy5150
    @Mossy5150 10 днів тому +4

    What a great place to fold face up and earn some reputational equity. Zero chance a call is good here with only a straight

    • @charleslevy9305
      @charleslevy9305 10 днів тому +9

      never show anyone anything ever

    • @TheGuyCalledX
      @TheGuyCalledX 10 днів тому

      ​@@charleslevy9305only if you think villains can use that information better than you can

    • @fransfermont6193
      @fransfermont6193 10 днів тому

      @@charleslevy9305 👍👍👍👍 Exacly no free information.

  • @Printsandthepunter
    @Printsandthepunter 10 днів тому +1

    1010, 77, J10 KQ all possible

  • @Dustin-m4z
    @Dustin-m4z 10 днів тому +8

    "Completing the rainbow..."
    Completing the rainbow... Sigh... Thats just, another reason to keep playing poker. Like hes playing badugi or something... Literally couldn't matter less to him that its an ace making KQ the straight, it completed the 🌈

  • @jackolini
    @jackolini 10 днів тому +1

    I don't think KQ makes that much sense. I think it's nearly always a check-call on the flop and a shove on the turn. That board should hit our range pretty well, it would seem odd for someone to do that with KQ. I think it is more likely a made hand.
    Also, I agree with Bart here that even sets, or JT don't make sense either. When the villain makes this bet on the flop, I would imagine it's something like JT/J7s/77 wants to get a raise and getting it in against likely overpairs or folds out some hands with equity (although the bet is too small to accomplish this). Or the bet at least would get rid of the caller between you and the villain. They should ship those hands given stack depths once you raise on the flop.
    I think it is one of those hands by the river, I just don't understand why they didn't go all in on the flop. I really don't think it is KQ. In any event, I think you made the correct fold. It really makes no sense for the person to be bluffing here given how you played the hand and there are like no value hands you are beating.

  • @330miggs
    @330miggs 16 годин тому

    Understand This: Aussies say 'Yiiis' rather than 'Yes'

  • @jeremykropf9487
    @jeremykropf9487 7 днів тому

    I play too much Omaha. This turn is an auto check lol

  • @omarfromthewire603
    @omarfromthewire603 8 днів тому

    Go to $50+ next time pre.... They'll prob ALL STILL CALL.. this is how AWFUL Players play...limp call,,limp call, limp call and hope to get lucky OOP multiway..... Don't worry about some GTO/Solver nerd telling you "10x pre is too much !!!" 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

  • @jj-se6ue
    @jj-se6ue 4 дні тому +1

    S.M.H.

  • @TheSuperPro1
    @TheSuperPro1 6 днів тому

    Fold pre

  • @benjamintaylor8665
    @benjamintaylor8665 7 днів тому

    i wpuld have been all in om the turn. caller is weak

  • @Icyhotkettlepot
    @Icyhotkettlepot 10 днів тому +11

    When the Big Bwind witerawy weads out after a wimp. I couldn’t believe it !!

    • @charleslevy9305
      @charleslevy9305 10 днів тому +2

      I didn’t beweave it evver that was kweighzy

    • @shane8143
      @shane8143 10 днів тому +7

      Bullying the caller from the comments is loser behavior
      Hopefully the poker gods bring you many many bad beats

    • @aidanhickman6621
      @aidanhickman6621 9 днів тому

      Tosser

    • @katiemarshall7531
      @katiemarshall7531 9 днів тому +1

      Tearing down ppl with disabilities makes you feel better about yourself, huh champ? Weird flex

  • @johnburch2854
    @johnburch2854 10 днів тому

    No conversation needed... easiest fold ever

  • @SmartAssBaboon
    @SmartAssBaboon 9 днів тому

    BB can have 77

  • @Yakivegas
    @Yakivegas 10 днів тому

    Villain in the story sounds Asian, most old Asian ladies get annoyed when asked. They give off the vibe like it’s offensive to even ask when I didn’t pay to see the cards…
    Which I don’t even mind ….

    • @966631514
      @966631514 6 днів тому

      or she was confused because no high hand was possible

  • @TinyKris2787
    @TinyKris2787 4 дні тому

    Doorknob

  • @letsgobrandon6281
    @letsgobrandon6281 9 днів тому +1

    Dont like watching hands with no reveal. What's the point

    • @bryanryan4504
      @bryanryan4504 8 днів тому

      Villain had higher straight

    • @vecter
      @vecter 7 днів тому +2

      So you can use your brain and learn

  • @alexandremuzzo
    @alexandremuzzo 10 днів тому

    lol @ folding a suited connector vs 2 limpers

  • @superfreeeeeak
    @superfreeeeeak 10 днів тому +1

    the cards were 98 siuted, right...right?!

  • @EricEmery-vl3zo
    @EricEmery-vl3zo 10 днів тому

    Here for it

  • @RunItTw1ce4858
    @RunItTw1ce4858 10 днів тому

    I'm about to unsubscribe when Bart says to check back 2nd nuts on the turn. Less than 1 SPR and @Bart wants to play cagey?

  • @Stpaul35
    @Stpaul35 10 днів тому +1

    First

  • @pokerbosscycler
    @pokerbosscycler 10 днів тому

    fishy hand fish results.. fold it preflop

    • @atfti
      @atfti 10 днів тому +4

      98 from HJ isn't awful. Facing a 3bet is kinda bad, but as an open? Absolutely fine

    • @vecter
      @vecter 7 днів тому

      Ironically you just outed yourself as a fish

    • @pokerbosscycler
      @pokerbosscycler 7 днів тому

      @@vecter pick better spots for my $$$

  • @BigBadVVolf22
    @BigBadVVolf22 10 днів тому

    Half these hands’ flop action is “oop player leads for x” and they all are so surprised. Seems like it’s incredibly common actually

  • @VagabundoOMC
    @VagabundoOMC 10 днів тому

    My girlfriend says hi.