I fucking love the ST;TNG reference legendary. That was easily one of my favorite episodes too. Shaka, when the walls fell. So bitter sweet. It still brings a tear to my eye.
=| Eye of F'harg's at least a good concept, but a 900 ilvl Darkmoon Deck averages 700+ armor more than a 985 Eye of F'harg. That's pretty bad. Even if you've managed to bamboozle a nearby tank into wearing an Eye of Shatug, you'd still profit 200+ armor by wearing a Darkmoon Deck - and the other tank wouldn't be wasting a trinket slot on garbage! Everyone wins! Thanks for watching!
Just started playing one, been playing DK and monk through legion. Eventhough they're good tanks, they felt a bit easy. As I like the challenge, think I'll use this tank spec in BfA.
ElvUI and Weakauras, and you can find profiles for them here: wago.io/p/Llarold I also use Addonskins (to make non-ElvUI addons look like ElvUI), Deadly Boss Mods, and Details! Damage Meter.
Prior to Tier 21, the Warrior community generally agreed that once you reach enough Haste to maintain Shield Block uptime around 100%, its value goes down. In single-target tanking, that's 54% Haste, or ~20,200 Haste Rating. Opinions vary, but in Taunt-swapping situations, it's generally agreed that 35-40% would the "soft cap." That's not true anymore, however! Tier 21 strengthened the already-existing positive feedback loop between cooldown usage and recovery rates. Basically, the more Rage you generate, the more you can use Battle Cry and Demo Shout, which generate more Rage, allowing you to use them more often, generating more Rage, allowing you to use them more often... Basically, Haste is the best stat permanently once you have T21 2p. You still shouldn't give up much item level for it on pieces of armor. The difference in Strength and Stamina values will compensate for sacrificing a bit of Haste, but it should be on as much gear as you can manage, every gem slot, and your Ring Enchants.
I'm gearing my warrior after taking a break fromt he game. In my testing, haste stacking (currently I have 30 percent) smooths out the rotation, defensives and overall enjoyment of the class. I did some sims to get a prot dps stat weighting but it doesn't make a huge difference and the class feels janky. things like losing a shield slam after activating t21 bonus. and waiting forever for procs. I see everybody always has a lot fom astery. coupled with the all the haste. that's my next goal i think. Thanks for the reply!
Pretty much! You can play around with Heavy Repercussions and Vengeance when undergeared and they will work alright, but the synergy of Booming Voice/Anger Management is highly effective even without the ideal Legendary/Tier 21 setup.
A lot of players felt that way early on in the expansion, but with set bonuses, Legendaries, and gear, things have turned away from the older, more boring talent setup.
You're not alone in thinking that, but Pallies have had higher health than Warriors for about 6-8 months now. As for weaknesses, that's a testament to Blizzard's class balancing throughout Legion, which has been really good with respect to tanks. I would say the only tank without at least one significant shortcoming throughout the expansion has been Druid, but they actually have two: Their ST DPS is terrible, and being overpowered gets pretty boring.
It honestly pisses me off that bear is the only tank with 100% up time on mitigation. There should be a point where haste makes active mitigation constant on all tanks. Just QQ I guess. I like tanking. Hope it isn't too different in BFA.
Monk and DK can also maintain 100% AM uptime pretty easily, and that's part of why those three tanks pulled a little bit ahead of the other three during Antorus. Druid is the only class that can go above 100% uptime, due to layering multiple stacks of Ironfur, and it's just one of a large number of advantages they have enjoyed throughout Legion and appear to be holding on to into BFA. Fortunately, BFA class redesigns are still in their infancy.
Paladins got a +10% increase to Stamina about two months ago, bringing them ahead of Warriors. Guarded By the Light (Protection Paladin passive) is now a 40% Stamina increase, Unwavering Sentinel (Protection Warrior passive) is only +30%. Prior to that point, Warrior and Paladin were even in terms of class passive % Stamina increases, but Last Stand, Ignore Pain, and the entire Warrior toolkit tend to make them "play" as though they have more HP than Paladin. Kinda still true!
Warriors have excellent self-shielding - as I said during the section you're referencing. In terms of actual self-healing, they simply don't. 40% of an average Mythic Warrior's healing in raids is from Inspiring Presence. It's a great utility, but it's pure padding in terms of actual class comparison and it has literally zero personal value for the Warrior using it. In the best-case scenario for raid self-healing, Bracers will generate about 50-75M self-healing over the course of a ~10 min M-Argus kill. A DK/DH is going to do about 175-250M self-healing in that same span of time. Those numbers are not remotely close, and that is the comparison I am making.
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I fucking love the ST;TNG reference legendary. That was easily one of my favorite episodes too.
Shaka, when the walls fell.
So bitter sweet. It still brings a tear to my eye.
Please do more guides. You break down the pros/cons and play style so well. Every other goddamn game goes right into the details.
1) Thank you!
2) I have great news for you: BFA Beta class analysis and guides are on the way!
After just over a year not playing I'm getting my prot warrior main now to 110 and this is a great help. Thank you 🙂
So glad you enjoyed it!
Great guide nice to see a good in depth guide to one of my favorite class. Keep it up!
Want Llarold's UI? Booyah!
ElvUI Profile: wago.io/S1eKgc5LG
Protection Warrior Auras: wago.io/EkacvGjKf
General Warrior Auras: wago.io/NyUT_MjYM
Thanks for watching!
Can you do a frost mage guide in 7.3.5
Really good guide man! Cheers
=D
Well done friend made the video smooth :)
You didnt even mention arguably best def. trinket in game atm, the eye of shatug...amazing guide 10/10
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Eye of F'harg's at least a good concept, but a 900 ilvl Darkmoon Deck averages 700+ armor more than a 985 Eye of F'harg. That's pretty bad. Even if you've managed to bamboozle a nearby tank into wearing an Eye of Shatug, you'd still profit 200+ armor by wearing a Darkmoon Deck - and the other tank wouldn't be wasting a trinket slot on garbage! Everyone wins!
Thanks for watching!
Just started playing one, been playing DK and monk through legion. Eventhough they're good tanks, they felt a bit easy. As I like the challenge, think I'll use this tank spec in BfA.
Awesome!
Prot Warriors on the BFA Alpha, despite some initial concerns, are shaping up to be pretty strong, enjoyable tanks. The future is bright!
What spell did you use at 1:40 to land? It didn't look like heroic leap?
Roflpopz Gaming that would be an avalanche elixir (consumable)
Thank you! I didn't knew that existed. Great video mate. :)
What addons do you use especially the dps tracker one
ElvUI and Weakauras, and you can find profiles for them here: wago.io/p/Llarold
I also use Addonskins (to make non-ElvUI addons look like ElvUI), Deadly Boss Mods, and Details! Damage Meter.
Hi, like your weakaura any chance can shear it please
Here is my Wago profile, with Weakaura setups for Prot Warrior, Blood DK, and Brewmaster Monk! wago.io/p/Llarold
Whats the haste cap for warrior tanks?
People say jsut go as high as you can. but thre must be a cap. I would like to know.
Prior to Tier 21, the Warrior community generally agreed that once you reach enough Haste to maintain Shield Block uptime around 100%, its value goes down. In single-target tanking, that's 54% Haste, or ~20,200 Haste Rating. Opinions vary, but in Taunt-swapping situations, it's generally agreed that 35-40% would the "soft cap."
That's not true anymore, however! Tier 21 strengthened the already-existing positive feedback loop between cooldown usage and recovery rates. Basically, the more Rage you generate, the more you can use Battle Cry and Demo Shout, which generate more Rage, allowing you to use them more often, generating more Rage, allowing you to use them more often...
Basically, Haste is the best stat permanently once you have T21 2p. You still shouldn't give up much item level for it on pieces of armor. The difference in Strength and Stamina values will compensate for sacrificing a bit of Haste, but it should be on as much gear as you can manage, every gem slot, and your Ring Enchants.
I'm gearing my warrior after taking a break fromt he game. In my testing, haste stacking (currently I have 30 percent) smooths out the rotation, defensives and overall enjoyment of the class. I did some sims to get a prot dps stat weighting but it doesn't make a huge difference and the class feels janky. things like losing a shield slam after activating t21 bonus. and waiting forever for procs.
I see everybody always has a lot fom astery. coupled with the all the haste. that's my next goal i think.
Thanks for the reply!
So for a fresh 110 would you say that talent setup is still the best?
Pretty much! You can play around with Heavy Repercussions and Vengeance when undergeared and they will work alright, but the synergy of Booming Voice/Anger Management is highly effective even without the ideal Legendary/Tier 21 setup.
WoW at Night thanks the reason I never played prot was I hated using those talents bit everyone kept telling me they were the best
A lot of players felt that way early on in the expansion, but with set bonuses, Legendaries, and gear, things have turned away from the older, more boring talent setup.
Amazing, THANK you.
You're welcome! =D
Is that ElvUI?
Andre Nery yes it is. Here's the profile for it wago.io/S1eKgc5LG
I thought paladin was lowest health. I think every tank guide says their own class is weakest in some way.
You're not alone in thinking that, but Pallies have had higher health than Warriors for about 6-8 months now. As for weaknesses, that's a testament to Blizzard's class balancing throughout Legion, which has been really good with respect to tanks.
I would say the only tank without at least one significant shortcoming throughout the expansion has been Druid, but they actually have two: Their ST DPS is terrible, and being overpowered gets pretty boring.
It honestly pisses me off that bear is the only tank with 100% up time on mitigation. There should be a point where haste makes active mitigation constant on all tanks.
Just QQ I guess. I like tanking. Hope it isn't too different in BFA.
Monk and DK can also maintain 100% AM uptime pretty easily, and that's part of why those three tanks pulled a little bit ahead of the other three during Antorus.
Druid is the only class that can go above 100% uptime, due to layering multiple stacks of Ironfur, and it's just one of a large number of advantages they have enjoyed throughout Legion and appear to be holding on to into BFA. Fortunately, BFA class redesigns are still in their infancy.
Pretty sure warriors are not the lowest base health tanks, paladins are.
Paladins got a +10% increase to Stamina about two months ago, bringing them ahead of Warriors. Guarded By the Light (Protection Paladin passive) is now a 40% Stamina increase, Unwavering Sentinel (Protection Warrior passive) is only +30%.
Prior to that point, Warrior and Paladin were even in terms of class passive % Stamina increases, but Last Stand, Ignore Pain, and the entire Warrior toolkit tend to make them "play" as though they have more HP than Paladin. Kinda still true!
No self healing ?! Are you kidding me ?!
Warriors have excellent self-shielding - as I said during the section you're referencing. In terms of actual self-healing, they simply don't.
40% of an average Mythic Warrior's healing in raids is from Inspiring Presence. It's a great utility, but it's pure padding in terms of actual class comparison and it has literally zero personal value for the Warrior using it.
In the best-case scenario for raid self-healing, Bracers will generate about 50-75M self-healing over the course of a ~10 min M-Argus kill. A DK/DH is going to do about 175-250M self-healing in that same span of time. Those numbers are not remotely close, and that is the comparison I am making.