This was the most beatable Bruins team the Leafs have ever played in the playoffs. I could not believe how badly the Bruins played in this series. And Leafs still couldn't beat them.
You're still under the brainwash that this was a decent team.. you can't build your team with only forwards and without goalies it will never ever work
@@automatoncollectives7237penguins did it but only team i can think of. Difference is their stars showed up all playoffs and won them that cup whatever year that was
Love your show and follow you whenever you are on. I find myself agreeing with you almost 100% of the time. Please give us updates from time to time as Leaf news comes out.
A truly bizarre series as far as injuries. Nylander, McMann, Matthews, Woll. Guys getting injured midseries and over nothing obvious, no big hits or falls. A truly strange affair.
There is no winning culture. The Leafs need a new owner that gives a f&^%. ML$E doesn't care. The Shanaplan is a failure after 10 years. Weak D and G. Not a playoff team. To Roger$ Communication$, ML$E and Bell, the only thing that matter$ is making profit.
You Oilers fans are so fkn retarded. You started the season 1-22 and hit the miracle run. Every single year you play in the softest division in the league and get the premium path to the conference final, and still get dusted because your goaltending and D core is as bad as the Leafs. You're a team of powerplay merchants that relies on 97 to feast on the LA kings and david rittich. Now you get Silovs. Congrats. The avs or knights are going to push your shit in like every year. And if you played in the Atlantic the bruins, bolts, or panthers would all dust you too. Stop with the comparison you cucks.
This was a good therapy sesh guys 💪 Leafs fans mindsets are all over the place right now and we need more clear and concise discussions like this 🙏 Marner and Keefe need to go for both their sake and the leafs sake..
Im not a leaf fan but live in Toronto. You guys are very knowledgable and I agree with a lot of what you say about the team (from a neutral observer). Wish you guys recorded the episode after the game yesterday tho (I realize it was saturday night), but part of what you guys do so well is bringing that raw emotion. Cheers
You guys are great and I have enjoyed listening all season out here in Vancouver. Hopefully some good changes are made in Leaf Land this offseason and first round exits are a thing of the past!? Keep up the good work boys!
Coffees for the boys. Early predictions: Shanny Stays. Keefe goes. Mitch plays full year under new coach to get more out of him. All contracts run their course. Big changes are hard to come by. Fuck Dubas.
Every one forgets that this series should have been over in game 5 when Coyle hit the goal posts with 5 minutes left. It would have been a favor for the Leafs fans.
Marner is a $9.5M (Give or take) top 6 winger in the regular season and a $3.5M middle six winger in the playoffs. I’d take a Sam Bennet type (along with his $4.75M salary) over Marner any postseason.
Good job guys, I loathe the Leafs and I enjoy bustin your balls year after year, but I gotta say that out of any other Queef podcast , you guys get it more than the others! Have a good summer see ya next year.
@@creative907 Problem is they'd have to pay someone to take him. He's only got a year left, so I think you bite the bullet on the year, and then he either resigns for ultra cheap, if he wants to stay, or he hits the road.
Bros! 1st time listener, now subscribed! Your Keefe segment, particularly the non-Dubas segment" segment was FIRE and I greatly appreciate how you both capture how I and probably many others feel about the culture Shanahan allowed to be cultivate by Nerdas which pervaded the on-ice product so deeply and enabled Marner's shit attitude to run the locker room, which ultimately played a big role in Babcock's departure. I wish I shared the confidence that MLSE actually has a clue and the willingness/awareness to do what I agree with you on needs to be done - real, meaningful moves that I'd consider "investable change" to the culture. Moves required such as.: Shanahan first gone as soon as possible, promptly followed by Keefe, and Marner shipped off for young assets that are cost-controlled. I actually didn't like the Treliving hire because I thought it was crazy rushed and narrow-sighted, but he proved he has the guts to immediately correct big mistakes that he himself made such as strapping Klingberg to a rocket onto Lou's Island; that same thing took Dubas at least 3 years for him to actually learn that GMs make at least 1 bad move each season that needs to be corrected when it becomes evident, but he would almost always let it fester. Anyways, great show boys, I hope you make regular content during the offseason, and I cannot wait to hear your takes if and when some much-needed changes are made.
in the muzzin trade we gave away sean durzi, still a god offensive defenceman, and young, carl grundstrom, a good third line player and a first round pick. muzzin played a year or so. that's crazy and a huge loss.
Leafs personify a complete failure/misstep in the whole analytical/data driven management of NHL teams. How many times have we heard "Leafs are the better team on paper and should win this series", only to be outworked, outclassed on the ice. Serious hockey fans knew it would never work. Dubas, Shanny and co. put numbers into a computer, management saw $$$ and that's all she wrote, 10 more years down the tubes. Fans are pissed off
as isles fan i despise john tavares and the leafs BUT i actually feel bad for you two i think you guys are excellent at doing this and i hope your channel blows up you guys are to good for it not to
@@jlaw888 he screwed both teams by signing with leafs . i will go to my grave saying he cost isles a cup in 20 or 2021 especially 2021. have friend works for isles he told me his wife runs the show and basically made decision on him going to leafs. not to mention all the other isles wives couldnt stand her
@@bb-gc2tx yeah losing the top C piece hurt your chances after the fact because the isles were still hanging around after he left. Juicy news about his wife 😂. Now she’s here 💀
@@bb-gc2txI guess with a majority of the guys on the leafs being younger and now getting married we probably didn’t get any of the drama. Not surprised that happened over there
The instant they said Samsonov was in net, I knew how this was going to end. I'm only surprised that it was as close as it was. When Samsonov was winning all those games, I said he would break our hearts. And he did.
@@Sedwert_ You shouldn't need a shutout to win a game. If the game happens the same way but the leafs happen to score in overtime bruins fans wouldn't be dunking on Swayman.
as a boston fan i will say the red sox didnt win a world series for 86 years an entire generation lived and died and never saw them win and we dont talk about the cubs 106 year drought like an actual century without a world series
in the middle of that whole shitshow my wife looks to me and says "bertuzzi looks like a blind dog" and i fuckin died, AND EVERY SINGLE YEAR AFTER WE LOOSE MATTHEWS SAYS "its a game of inches" EVVVVVVVVVVERRRRRRRRYYYYYYY YEEEEEEAAAAAARRRRR
I couldn't agree with you guys more. Dubas was a complete disaster. Multiple screwups including overpaying the Core Four, leaving the team destroyed come playoff time. Keefe was a AHL coach in the NHL and it showed over and over again. He was out coached every playoff series.
Everyone keeps. Talking about mitch. This guy is an excellent player. Why would you want to get rid of a superior player like him he has incredible talent and fantastic puck handling. This is a player that everyone is going to be sorry for. You excellent player one of the best play makers in the nhl.. IF the leafs trade him ...he would win a Stanley cup with another team ..just like Phill and bozzak
Kessel and Bozak went to superior teams with unbelievable leaders! They were good players yes. But we need to subtract from the core 4. We can’t build a superior team without doing it. And Marner is NO leader. Especially not in the playoffs.
Would love to see a couple things this off-season for sure like: - Marner to hurricanes for Dman (pesce or slavin + picks) - Domi and Edmundson to come back for solid price - Brodie and Sammy either out or big pay cuts and reduced roles.
I am a very happy subscriber. You two are brilliant in analyzing the absurdity of the Leafs organization . I agree Dubas ruined the immediate future of this team . Your insight is the best of any other podcasts.
I’m so happy I was prepared for this leaf lose. I wasn’t expecting them to win. I wasn’t expecting them to lose either but either way I’m more excited about the big change
Leafs played amazing defensive game, only to allow Pasta to cruise in in OT. Bruins looked like a veteran team in OT. Leafs? Scared and forgot how to play D.
@@davidpfeffer1525 I agree, I thought the Leafs looked incredible all game defense-wise. So how does Pasta just bolt in like that behind their D? It's like the Leafs were tired from the 3rd period and started slow in OT. You can't do that. Boston came out with a killer instinct. Not enough is being said about how Pasta's goal was a major Leaf defensive breakdown. No way should he have been able to dance in like that and get at a puck just sitting there. Talk about giving the game away. They played fearless all game, then frozen in OT. They thought too much during the intermission. You have to go for it in OT, like the Bruins did.
That is the craziest part of all - they had actually started playing well defensively - I think Guy Boucher had taken over the coaching - at least scheme wise
Comparing Aaron Rodgers to Mitch Marner in that neither are clutch.. Aaron won a Super Bowl had multiple deep runs, pulled mid Green Bay teams to the playoffs and was the MVP of the league 4 times. If you have some political issue with the guy just say that, you’re outing yourself with that asinine take
Our biggest weakness over the past decade has been Goaltending. Even the allstar team would lose if they had goalies like ours. We need a top goaltender.
Our biggest weakness has been the offence drying up. The last 14 or so games in the playoffs they scored 3 goals once, and haven’t scored 4 or more period. Goaltending hasn’t cost us any of the years we’ve worried about it. The top talent has.
@@Flaris Their lack of offense has more to do with the coaching and the system they play with. This teams regular season strategy is to force feed Mathews goals. That doesn't work in the playoffs. They are clogging his passing lanes and forcing the puck elsewhere. Got to practice a balanced offense in the regular season so when playoffs come around they aren't so predictable. Goaltending is the biggest problem for this team. We should have won that game. Sammy screwed us.
The Leafs need to do performance-based contracts with their future signings. You want $12 million per season, sure, but here's what YOU need to do to warrant it. That could change the tune for Marner but doubt it.
The thing in a tight game like that is that the team who ties it up and sends it to overtime - at home no less - usually fkin wins it just off that momentum. Leafs have played party pooper before but you really need to be rock solid in terms of commitment to the game plan, and I dont think we saw that much in this series excluding games 5 and 6
Yes it was. Within a year they signed JT for too much money when they had Kadri at centre making 4 mill. Had willy sit out demanding more money. They signed Mathews at 11.5 for 5 years,,,,,and they signed Marner to an 11mill-- 5 year deal. FKN NUTS
@@stangsswang8355 They need to healthy scratch some Core 4 players until they agree to be traded and Mathews likely is an elite playoff winger (but he is being played as a playoff nobody at centre).
I wasn't even upset after the game. They played well. They got beat. It happens. The issue is that its happened for the last 8 years. So for the first time in several years, every fan is in agreement that things need to change. Lets see what changes they make
I think the teams inability to keep guys like hymen, kadri, kapenen etc. is the real problem. If you look at the Bruins, pasta Marchand only did so much. Guys like Debrusk Coyle etc are needed. Same with the lightning. Tampa got worse when they lost their depth. Tampa still has all their stars, yet they are losing now.
Sadly, yes, I am proud to be a fan of the CBJ. Do I wish we had actually won anything, sure. I'm also a Seattle Mariners fan, and proud of that, too. Wanna know sports fan pain? I am its incarnation. But I will never leave my teams.
@@scummygoofball6587 'Proud Leafs fan'? Has anyone ever said that? The CBJ have literally knocked the Leafs out of the playoffs, and won more playoff series than the Leafs have in the last 20 years...and we've only existed for 25 years. And we started in the age when expansion teams started with NOTHING! Trying to think of a nice way to say: Suck it, bitch. 1967. You suck, deal with it, but I can't.
Marner was just coasting on that goal by 88 ! Pasta is flying by him & his legs are barely moving & he’s holding his stick waist high off the ice just watching from behind. Overtime …Game 7 ! What a Stiff ! And an expensive one at that !
Was Sammy bad? No. He did give up goals that cannot go in. You cannot let a puck go through you short side. There were 4 goalies that played in this series and Sammy was 4th out of 4.
It went south when Shannahan picked Dubas over Hunter. Dubas hurt the franchise year after year continuing to the present and for years to come. Keefe not being fired last summer is the only thing other than Kilnberg that Treliving missed on. I don't have high hopes for him with how Calgary is sitting now but he didn't hurt us this year.
Samsonov was the #1 goalie going in. So Woll not being available should not have been a factor. Samsonov played well in Game 7. The winning goal was the entire 6 Leafs on the ice sleeping on the play. Pasta blew past Mariner and Reilly to score on Samsonov who also did not come out. There is 3 players that choked all together on one play. This series showed Toronto cannot score and the backend sucks. JT and Mariner are garbage and really the defence and goaltending are not playoff calibre. Keefe is a crap coach and Shanahan has done very little to change it up to change the results. Also Mathews did not play all the games in the series but 1 goal sucks from a 69 goal season. Nylander was the only offence that showed up. Power play is horrible. Keefe made very little changes to the power play. Big changes needed.
You're not wrong. Shanny's gotta go, Keefe's gotta go, Marner's gotta go, Reilly's gotta go, JT's gotta go, Brodie's gotta go, Sammy's gotta go. That coming from someone who LOVES watching TML lose, and would benefit more from all of them staying.
"We are one goal away. It could have went either way. Run it back, this is the team. The boys are going to spend the summer doing pushups and are going to be ready." - Shanahan
Here's hoping they do run it back. Sadly, I don't see that happening. An intelligent organization would fire Shanny, fire Keefe, and find ANY way possible to get rid of Marner and Johnny T. I'm a fan of a fellow unintelligent organization, the Jackets, but even we learned our lesson, and fired Jarmo.
The leafs have to get rid of management. ., most importantly coaches have to go.....fire all coaches and entire management... this is an elite team... this team is the best team that anyone is ever going to see . This leafs team showed what they can really do. They have the caliber to be a dynasty. ...all these people that talk shit about this team should shut there mouth.
Fans are delusional if they think Marner is getting traded. He is going to walk at the end of next season. You aren't trading him when teams know he's gonna be a pending UFA.
As a Sens fan, just wondering what the difference between Playoff Marner and Playoff Mathews is? 1 goal? Why keep one and not the other? 69 goals in regular season, is that it? I dont see how Mathews is any better than Marner in playoffs. Id build my team around Willy and start from back out.
As much as I hate TML, Matthews puts more effort into each game, and also: Without Marner, Matthews could still score Without Matthews, Marner's basically useless
@@davidpfeffer1525 Right, but why keep either of em? Build from back out, I think this team can afford to lose 34 and build a strong d core Just my opinion.
There were three Leafs skating around aimlessly watching the winning goal. Going forward, good luck trying to trade Mitch Marner; he has a no-trade contract, and nobody wants him anyway.
I know its a pipe dream but trade marner for Owen Powers and Jordan Greenaway and see what it would take to get Colton Parayko and Alexsy Toropchenk from St.Louis. there's your new Top two dmen and some massive Mid 6 forwards.
And thank you for calling out that they NEVER make 34 and 16 accountable, even for a single shift. My god, that shit drives me absolutely mental. Look at Monty - he called Pasta the fck out after game 6, didn't apologize for it like Keefe did with Marner last year, and what happens? Bruins win the series because the star player called out showed up when it actually mattered. Shocker - why does this never seem to happen with the big 4?
Great series. Glad the B's came out. Is it possible that Marner could end up with the Bruins. The B's were in a rebuild mode this year and did it with a few rookies and vets. For sure JVR, Shattenkirk and Maroon stand a 90% chance of not returning next year. Not to mention stand out goalie Ulmark, how long can they afford to keep him on the bench watching his value decrease. Leafs trade Marner away only to have Boston pitch Ulmark and few rookies to that team and here they go again...trading away vital components of the team only to watch them win cups with other teams ex: Bozak, Kessel, Khadri etc. Boston will help Marner in the playoffs.
The toronto maple leafs are buy far the most explosive teem you can watch in the nhl. And that's for shure.... this is a very entertaining team to watch , this core of maple leafs players that they have are amazing.. this is a team that is amazing and incredibly entertaining to watch ..the addition with domi and bartuzzi only made them better..including the rookie Matthew knies. Leaf fans are the most loyal on earth and this team is probably the most beloved team in all of sports. The leafs have more fans than any north American sports team and that's guaranteed . To brake this team apart would be a stupid thing to Do ....this team has no defense at all except for Morgan and only one goalie. GET RID OF SHELDON.. Lousy coach...get someone like Torts who knows what to do with elite players....Leaf fans are very educated fans in all of hockey buy far...they say fans aren't loud like in other arenas, that's because they are educated fans not band wagoner fans like other nhl teams have, only show up when they win and don't even know what they are watching. CORE 4 should stay together no matter what media and fans say in Toronto. ..get rid of coach number 1 he is way to soft for an elite team like this, this team has it All.but no leadership. Get some stellar defenseman and know one will come through the slot. Or get to the net...leafs are amazing team to watch but always leave an opening for others to capitalize. ..
Not a Leafs fan but I was rooting for them to finally get over the Bruins here. I grew up in LA a Kings fan during the Gretzky era. Then living in Las Vegas got seasons for the 17-18 Knights first season. As such I saw the Kings slay their futility in ‘12 and then put icing on it in ‘14 and then watched the Knights get a cup in just their 6th season. The fact that this is happening to Toronto is hard to watch as a neutral observer. There was so much at stake here - beating BOS in a series for first time since 1959. Finally winning a game 7 after 6 failures. BOS potentially blowing 3-1 lead in back to back seasons. I guess it’s because I’ve spent time in Toronto for work and truly believe it is one of North America’s great cities. The citizens of Toronto deserve better. I have to imagine after this series wholesale changes are coming.
Feels like this was the year to beat the Bruins if they were to do it. This team can't do it honestly. Hopefully you guys get just one season which ends in success, the misery has lasted long enough now.
He finally made some saves. I actually expected TML to be down 4-0 after 2. Granted, a lot of that is because the Leafs finally decided to play defense, but still. The tying goal should have been saved, for sure, but the winning goal was Marner and Reilley's fault.
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Hopefully on the Grapevine podcast, Grapes would have great opinions on this.
Even if the Leafs beat Boston does anyone really believe they could beat any of the other teams in the east never mind the winner in the west.
This was the most beatable Bruins team the Leafs have ever played in the playoffs. I could not believe how badly the Bruins played in this series. And Leafs still couldn't beat them.
Leafs are just that weak. Lacking in depth, lacking in defensive awareness and goaltending.
You're still under the brainwash that this was a decent team.. you can't build your team with only forwards and without goalies it will never ever work
@@eljerc5894 Exactly. They built a team on finesse forwards, iffy defence and goaltending. When has that combination lead to a Cup?! Never.
But the Bruins have goaltending X 2
@@automatoncollectives7237penguins did it but only team i can think of. Difference is their stars showed up all playoffs and won them that cup whatever year that was
Love your show and follow you whenever you are on. I find myself agreeing with you almost 100% of the time. Please give us updates from time to time as Leaf news comes out.
Awesome post-mortem! You both kept the emotions in check, and articulated the reality of the situation - great job !
Thanks for all the pods, boys. See ya next season 😔
Thank you for the support!
A truly bizarre series as far as injuries. Nylander, McMann, Matthews, Woll. Guys getting injured midseries and over nothing obvious, no big hits or falls. A truly strange affair.
Thanks for doing this show guys. You guys save my sanity out here in Japan. There are other shows like this but you guys are the most real.
Thanks for the content guys always love to listen
Thank you for the support!
Thanks guys love this show! Let’s hope there’s some changes this offseason
Dubas FUCKED up the Franchise by giving INSANE contracts
There is no winning culture. The Leafs need a new owner that gives a f&^%. ML$E doesn't care.
The Shanaplan is a failure after 10 years. Weak D and G. Not a playoff team.
To Roger$ Communication$, ML$E and Bell, the only thing that matter$ is making profit.
Plus the draft capital, prospects, etc that were given away as if we got to an ECF or Stanley cup final.
@@jlaw888 ... Gave away 1st and 2nd round picks for Injury Prone players
@@waldmarwolchuk9483sad mismanagement of assets
Zack Hyman has more playoffs points than the entire maple leafes team at 5.7 million a year
Nice irrelevant take, he plays on the best powerplay in NHL history with the two best players in the league hitting him backdoor 😂
I thought Matthew's and marner were also two of the top ten in the nhl?? Could it be you overpaid them by alot
You Oilers fans are so fkn retarded. You started the season 1-22 and hit the miracle run. Every single year you play in the softest division in the league and get the premium path to the conference final, and still get dusted because your goaltending and D core is as bad as the Leafs. You're a team of powerplay merchants that relies on 97 to feast on the LA kings and david rittich. Now you get Silovs. Congrats. The avs or knights are going to push your shit in like every year. And if you played in the Atlantic the bruins, bolts, or panthers would all dust you too. Stop with the comparison you cucks.
This was a good therapy sesh guys 💪 Leafs fans mindsets are all over the place right now and we need more clear and concise discussions like this 🙏 Marner and Keefe need to go for both their sake and the leafs sake..
Good stuff guts ,always a pleasure ,thanks 🙏
Im not a leaf fan but live in Toronto. You guys are very knowledgable and I agree with a lot of what you say about the team (from a neutral observer). Wish you guys recorded the episode after the game yesterday tho (I realize it was saturday night), but part of what you guys do so well is bringing that raw emotion. Cheers
Thanks for the season guys. Balanced & intelligent. Best Leafs podcast. Have a great summer.
Thank you for the support!
Some of these fan shows are better than network tv
Most of them!
Love this time of year! Especially your guys’ show. Love the Leafs misery!
Thanks!
You guys are great and I have enjoyed listening all season out here in Vancouver. Hopefully some good changes are made in Leaf Land this offseason and first round exits are a thing of the past!? Keep up the good work boys!
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Coffees for the boys. Early predictions: Shanny Stays. Keefe goes. Mitch plays full year under new coach to get more out of him. All contracts run their course. Big changes are hard to come by. Fuck Dubas.
FUCK DUFAS
Its time to turn the page on this chapter of Leafs history.
Every one forgets that this series should have been over in game 5 when Coyle hit the goal posts with 5 minutes left. It would have been a favor for the Leafs fans.
Really good pod guys
Love that you called out just the nerds support dubas lol
Will you guys do a show for big news, trades, firings, draft , free agency ? Love the show
Yup, anytime there’s ‘real’ news, we’ll be back! We just don’t like doing shows centred around “what ifs?”
Awesome, thx for the reply 👍🏼
Marner is a $9.5M (Give or take) top 6 winger in the regular season and a $3.5M middle six winger in the playoffs.
I’d take a Sam Bennet type (along with his $4.75M salary) over Marner any postseason.
Good job guys, I loathe the Leafs and I enjoy bustin your balls year after year, but I gotta say that out of any other Queef podcast , you guys get it more than the others! Have a good summer see ya next year.
The CUT List : Marner , Rielly , Samsonov, Keefe,Shanahan, Brodie
Agreed 100%! I would add, if they can, move off from Tavares as well.
@@creative907 Problem is they'd have to pay someone to take him. He's only got a year left, so I think you bite the bullet on the year, and then he either resigns for ultra cheap, if he wants to stay, or he hits the road.
Buy him out and have him come back on league Min as a winger but I'm not sure if that's aloud
@alexsmith6131 would be nice to buy him out and have him comeback on league Min.
and lilygren
Bros! 1st time listener, now subscribed!
Your Keefe segment, particularly the non-Dubas segment" segment was FIRE and I greatly appreciate how you both capture how I and probably many others feel about the culture Shanahan allowed to be cultivate by Nerdas which pervaded the on-ice product so deeply and enabled Marner's shit attitude to run the locker room, which ultimately played a big role in Babcock's departure.
I wish I shared the confidence that MLSE actually has a clue and the willingness/awareness to do what I agree with you on needs to be done - real, meaningful moves that I'd consider "investable change" to the culture. Moves required such as.: Shanahan first gone as soon as possible, promptly followed by Keefe, and Marner shipped off for young assets that are cost-controlled. I actually didn't like the Treliving hire because I thought it was crazy rushed and narrow-sighted, but he proved he has the guts to immediately correct big mistakes that he himself made such as strapping Klingberg to a rocket onto Lou's Island; that same thing took Dubas at least 3 years for him to actually learn that GMs make at least 1 bad move each season that needs to be corrected when it becomes evident, but he would almost always let it fester.
Anyways, great show boys, I hope you make regular content during the offseason, and I cannot wait to hear your takes if and when some much-needed changes are made.
in the muzzin trade we gave away sean durzi, still a god offensive defenceman, and young, carl grundstrom, a good third line player and a first round pick. muzzin played a year or so. that's crazy and a huge loss.
They used Tavares's concussion and muzzin going down as the reasons for running it back after the Montreal debacle.
Leafs personify a complete failure/misstep in the whole analytical/data driven management of NHL teams. How many times have we heard "Leafs are the better team on paper and should win this series", only to be outworked, outclassed on the ice. Serious hockey fans knew it would never work. Dubas, Shanny and co. put numbers into a computer, management saw $$$ and that's all she wrote, 10 more years down the tubes. Fans are pissed off
The 10 years before this was so much more worse than this. But this past 10 are wasted years of wasted talent
as isles fan i despise john tavares and the leafs BUT i actually feel bad for you two i think you guys are excellent at doing this and i hope your channel blows up you guys are to good for it not to
Not sure who hates JT more. isles fans or Leafs fans. Wish he never left the island to sign here 😢
@@jlaw888 he screwed both teams by signing with leafs . i will go to my grave saying he cost isles a cup in 20 or 2021 especially 2021. have friend works for isles he told me his wife runs the show and basically made decision on him going to leafs. not to mention all the other isles wives couldnt stand her
@@bb-gc2tx yeah losing the top C piece hurt your chances after the fact because the isles were still hanging around after he left. Juicy news about his wife 😂. Now she’s here 💀
@@jlaw888 yeah. ill give you some more juice the other wives felt like she acted like they were below her and rarely hung out with them
@@bb-gc2txI guess with a majority of the guys on the leafs being younger and now getting married we probably didn’t get any of the drama. Not surprised that happened over there
Great Show Guys, i read The St. Louis Blues were in on Bertuzzi. Hang in their boys better days are coming :-)
12 goals in 7 games, just unacceptable
The instant they said Samsonov was in net, I knew how this was going to end. I'm only surprised that it was as close as it was. When Samsonov was winning all those games, I said he would break our hearts. And he did.
samsonov was not the reason you lost game 7 lmfao
@@Sedwert_ You shouldn't need a shutout to win a game. If the game happens the same way but the leafs happen to score in overtime bruins fans wouldn't be dunking on Swayman.
as a boston fan i will say the red sox didnt win a world series for 86 years an entire generation lived and died and never saw them win and we dont talk about the cubs 106 year drought like an actual century without a world series
Both are criminal. This leafs franchise will somehow exceed those droughts. The league will fold before they win again 😭
You could be a Indians fan as well.
@@jlaw888 na dude you guys got it i believe
in the middle of that whole shitshow my wife looks to me and says "bertuzzi looks like a blind dog" and i fuckin died, AND EVERY SINGLE YEAR AFTER WE LOOSE MATTHEWS SAYS "its a game of inches" EVVVVVVVVVVERRRRRRRRYYYYYYY YEEEEEEAAAAAARRRRR
I couldn't agree with you guys more.
Dubas was a complete disaster. Multiple screwups including overpaying the Core Four, leaving the team destroyed come playoff time.
Keefe was a AHL coach in the NHL and it showed over and over again. He was out coached every playoff series.
Haha Dubas “didn’t do anything other than wearing glasses and looking like a smart guy.” Perfectly sums up Kyle Dubas.
It was the glasses 🤓! 😂
Great show
Everyone keeps. Talking about mitch. This guy is an excellent player. Why would you want to get rid of a superior player like him he has incredible talent and fantastic puck handling. This is a player that everyone is going to be sorry for. You excellent player one of the best play makers in the nhl.. IF the leafs trade him ...he would win a Stanley cup with another team ..just like Phill and bozzak
Kessel and Bozak went to superior teams with unbelievable leaders! They were good players yes. But we need to subtract from the core 4. We can’t build a superior team without doing it. And Marner is NO leader. Especially not in the playoffs.
Would love to see a couple things this off-season for sure like:
- Marner to hurricanes for Dman (pesce or slavin + picks)
- Domi and Edmundson to come back for solid price
- Brodie and Sammy either out or big pay cuts and reduced roles.
Gretzky was a GREAT hockey player.
How did he do as a coach ??
Same thing can be kinda said for Shanahan.
Thanks boys, C U soon. JP
Don't be disappointed think about the future of the current outcome of situation this off season
I am a very happy subscriber. You two are brilliant in analyzing the absurdity of the Leafs organization . I agree Dubas ruined the immediate future of this team . Your insight is the best of any other podcasts.
Thank you for the support!
I’m so happy I was prepared for this leaf lose. I wasn’t expecting them to win. I wasn’t expecting them to lose either but either way I’m more excited about the big change
Leafs played amazing defensive game, only to allow Pasta to cruise in in OT. Bruins looked like a veteran team in OT. Leafs? Scared and forgot how to play D.
TML played amazingly on D, until they scored. Then, typical Leafs, they fell asleep, gave up the tying goal, and decided not to play in OT.
@@davidpfeffer1525 I agree, I thought the Leafs looked incredible all game defense-wise. So how does Pasta just bolt in like that behind their D? It's like the Leafs were tired from the 3rd period and started slow in OT. You can't do that. Boston came out with a killer instinct. Not enough is being said about how Pasta's goal was a major Leaf defensive breakdown. No way should he have been able to dance in like that and get at a puck just sitting there. Talk about giving the game away. They played fearless all game, then frozen in OT. They thought too much during the intermission. You have to go for it in OT, like the Bruins did.
That is the craziest part of all - they had actually started playing well defensively - I think Guy Boucher had taken over the coaching - at least scheme wise
@@pjpredhomme7699 I couldn't believe how well the Leafs played defense the entire game. Except OT.
Beatings will continue u til morale improves 😂😂😂.
I always heard it as:
"The floggings will continue until morale improves,"
But, fair...I like it.
Comparing Aaron Rodgers to Mitch Marner in that neither are clutch.. Aaron won a Super Bowl had multiple deep runs, pulled mid Green Bay teams to the playoffs and was the MVP of the league 4 times. If you have some political issue with the guy just say that, you’re outing yourself with that asinine take
Our biggest weakness over the past decade has been Goaltending. Even the allstar team would lose if they had goalies like ours. We need a top goaltender.
Our biggest weakness has been the offence drying up. The last 14 or so games in the playoffs they scored 3 goals once, and haven’t scored 4 or more period.
Goaltending hasn’t cost us any of the years we’ve worried about it. The top talent has.
@@Flaris Their lack of offense has more to do with the coaching and the system they play with. This teams regular season strategy is to force feed Mathews goals. That doesn't work in the playoffs. They are clogging his passing lanes and forcing the puck elsewhere. Got to practice a balanced offense in the regular season so when playoffs come around they aren't so predictable. Goaltending is the biggest problem for this team. We should have won that game. Sammy screwed us.
If Leafs had a goalie in the calibre range as Bobrovski or Vasilevskiy we would be a SC finals team.
might have something to do with $11 mill /yr for a 3rd line center - for 7 yrs
Golf Leafs Golf !
The Leafs need to do performance-based contracts with their future signings. You want $12 million per season, sure, but here's what YOU need to do to warrant it. That could change the tune for Marner but doubt it.
If Marner signs for 7x8 or 7x7, would the fans accept it?
Great job guys, we suck. Looking forward to the changes in the off season.
How stupid to let Lamariello go????!!!
That was when i lost it with this bunch.
Decades of watching complete crap except for one great season in 93’.
"Disappointment every year..." The phrase for all of Toronto sports team these days.
No, like Cleveland fans, sadly, it's "We'll get em next year," only to be bitterly disappointed every year.
Subscribed but heartbroken fan here.
The thing in a tight game like that is that the team who ties it up and sends it to overtime - at home no less - usually fkin wins it just off that momentum. Leafs have played party pooper before but you really need to be rock solid in terms of commitment to the game plan, and I dont think we saw that much in this series excluding games 5 and 6
The JT contract signing ended the Shanny Plan years ago. These playoffs are part of some Leaf Fan PTSD plan implemented by these Leaf Executives.
They didn't need Tavares , they needed to bulk up the blue line. They still do.
@@thobur2661 Like NYI fans, maybe Leaf fans should also chant “we don’t need you” to JT. 😀
Yes it was. Within a year they signed JT for too much money when they had Kadri at centre making 4 mill. Had willy sit out demanding more money. They signed Mathews at 11.5 for 5 years,,,,,and they signed Marner to an 11mill-- 5 year deal. FKN NUTS
@@stangsswang8355 They need to healthy scratch some Core 4 players until they agree to be traded and Mathews likely is an elite playoff winger (but he is being played as a playoff nobody at centre).
@@thobur2661 yeah and kept doubling down on it for all those years
I wasn't even upset after the game. They played well. They got beat. It happens. The issue is that its happened for the last 8 years. So for the first time in several years, every fan is in agreement that things need to change. Lets see what changes they make
I think the teams inability to keep guys like hymen, kadri, kapenen etc. is the real problem. If you look at the Bruins, pasta Marchand only did so much. Guys like Debrusk Coyle etc are needed. Same with the lightning. Tampa got worse when they lost their depth. Tampa still has all their stars, yet they are losing now.
Damn Kapanen was the original Kasper the Ghost. Now it’s Marner.
It was looking very bleak until i heard...We'll be back later this week! Keep the train rolling guys!
Mr Shanahan did a excellent job as President .Why ! Fan base , media , sponcers , Florida beats Boston. Take care .
Didn't they talked about a Markham Team.
May be they should.
I was hoping it was going to happen. Sad it got rejected
Run it back! The entire fanbase of the other 31 teams prays you do.
-from a proud Jackets fan. Btw, love being on your painful list.
Proud Jackets fan? 🤨
Prouds jacket fan? 😂😂 what the fuck is that, said no one ever
Sadly, yes, I am proud to be a fan of the CBJ.
Do I wish we had actually won anything, sure.
I'm also a Seattle Mariners fan, and proud of that, too.
Wanna know sports fan pain? I am its incarnation. But I will never leave my teams.
@@scummygoofball6587 'Proud Leafs fan'? Has anyone ever said that?
The CBJ have literally knocked the Leafs out of the playoffs, and won more playoff series than the Leafs have in the last 20 years...and we've only existed for 25 years.
And we started in the age when expansion teams started with NOTHING!
Trying to think of a nice way to say: Suck it, bitch. 1967. You suck, deal with it, but I can't.
Over the last 13 Playoffs games Toronto has scored on Average less than 1.90 goals per game
If you add the 14th (game 5 against Tampa,) that number can't be that high, with only scoring 3 goals once, and only one goal several times.
Marner was just coasting on that goal by 88 !
Pasta is flying by him & his legs are barely moving & he’s holding his stick waist high off the ice just watching from behind. Overtime …Game 7 !
What a Stiff !
And an expensive one at that !
Marner needs to go to Columbus where he can collect a nice cheque with no pressure to win a cup.
Was Sammy bad? No. He did give up goals that cannot go in. You cannot let a puck go through you short side. There were 4 goalies that played in this series and Sammy was 4th out of 4.
It went south when Shannahan picked Dubas over Hunter. Dubas hurt the franchise year after year continuing to the present and for years to come. Keefe not being fired last summer is the only thing other than Kilnberg that Treliving missed on. I don't have high hopes for him with how Calgary is sitting now but he didn't hurt us this year.
Samsonov was the #1 goalie going in. So Woll not being available should not have been a factor. Samsonov played well in Game 7. The winning goal was the entire 6 Leafs on the ice sleeping on the play. Pasta blew past Mariner and Reilly to score on Samsonov who also did not come out. There is 3 players that choked all together on one play. This series showed Toronto cannot score and the backend sucks. JT and Mariner are garbage and really the defence and goaltending are not playoff calibre. Keefe is a crap coach and Shanahan has done very little to change it up to change the results. Also Mathews did not play all the games in the series but 1 goal sucks from a 69 goal season. Nylander was the only offence that showed up. Power play is horrible. Keefe made very little changes to the power play. Big changes needed.
You're not wrong.
Shanny's gotta go, Keefe's gotta go, Marner's gotta go, Reilly's gotta go, JT's gotta go, Brodie's gotta go, Sammy's gotta go.
That coming from someone who LOVES watching TML lose, and would benefit more from all of them staying.
"We are one goal away. It could have went either way. Run it back, this is the team. The boys are going to spend the summer doing pushups and are going to be ready." - Shanahan
Here's hoping they do run it back.
Sadly, I don't see that happening.
An intelligent organization would fire Shanny, fire Keefe, and find ANY way possible to get rid of Marner and Johnny T.
I'm a fan of a fellow unintelligent organization, the Jackets, but even we learned our lesson, and fired Jarmo.
Could have GONE not WENT>.....
Lmao push-ups 😂
I feel like there’s a little revisionism with Kadri. Guy was consistently getting suspended in the playoffs and forced the leafs hand.
The leafs have to get rid of management. ., most importantly coaches have to go.....fire all coaches and entire management... this is an elite team... this team is the best team that anyone is ever going to see . This leafs team showed what they can really do. They have the caliber to be a dynasty. ...all these people that talk shit about this team should shut there mouth.
Fans are delusional if they think Marner is getting traded. He is going to walk at the end of next season. You aren't trading him when teams know he's gonna be a pending UFA.
ID GIVE MARNER AWAY FOR A FIRST
HE IS CANCER IN THE ROOM
As a Sens fan, just wondering what the difference between Playoff Marner and Playoff Mathews is? 1 goal? Why keep one and not the other? 69 goals in regular season, is that it? I dont see how Mathews is any better than Marner in playoffs. Id build my team around Willy and start from back out.
As much as I hate TML, Matthews puts more effort into each game, and also:
Without Marner, Matthews could still score
Without Matthews, Marner's basically useless
@@davidpfeffer1525 Right, but why keep either of em? Build from back out, I think this team can afford to lose 34 and build a strong d core
Just my opinion.
Yes
There were three Leafs skating around aimlessly watching the winning goal. Going forward, good luck trying to trade Mitch Marner; he has a no-trade contract, and nobody wants him anyway.
Then he can sit and watch
Maple Laughs = The🧊Titanic🚢they sink whenever they hit the ice every April/May...
Totally agree about the Preds Nucks series. A snooze fest.
I know its a pipe dream but trade marner for Owen Powers and Jordan Greenaway and see what it would take to get Colton Parayko and Alexsy Toropchenk from St.Louis. there's your new Top two dmen and some massive Mid 6 forwards.
Def a pipe dream. Mine is Marner (plus whatever) to Utah for Keller, Crouse, Durzi
The leafs power play killed them 1 goal I think in 7 games and it was what 20 power plays they had not good enough
I subscribed,,,
1986 bruins coast and break records, president cup,,,, knocked out first round,,,,all offence,,i never forget that
And thank you for calling out that they NEVER make 34 and 16 accountable, even for a single shift. My god, that shit drives me absolutely mental.
Look at Monty - he called Pasta the fck out after game 6, didn't apologize for it like Keefe did with Marner last year, and what happens? Bruins win the series because the star player called out showed up when it actually mattered. Shocker - why does this never seem to happen with the big 4?
Great series. Glad the B's came out. Is it possible that Marner could end up with the Bruins. The B's were in a rebuild mode this year and did it with a few rookies and vets. For sure JVR, Shattenkirk and Maroon stand a 90% chance of not returning next year. Not to mention stand out goalie Ulmark, how long can they afford to keep him on the bench watching his value decrease. Leafs trade Marner away only to have Boston pitch Ulmark and few rookies to that team and here they go again...trading away vital components of the team only to watch them win cups with other teams ex: Bozak, Kessel, Khadri etc. Boston will help Marner in the playoffs.
The toronto maple leafs are buy far the most explosive
teem you can watch in the nhl. And that's for shure.... this is a very entertaining team to watch , this core of maple leafs players that they have are amazing.. this is a team that is amazing and incredibly entertaining to watch ..the addition with domi and bartuzzi only made them better..including the rookie Matthew knies. Leaf fans are the most loyal on earth and this team is probably the most beloved team in all of sports. The leafs have more fans than any north American sports team and that's guaranteed . To brake this team apart would be a stupid thing to Do ....this team has no defense at all except for Morgan and only one goalie. GET RID OF SHELDON..
Lousy coach...get someone like Torts who knows what to do with elite players....Leaf fans are very educated fans in all of hockey buy far...they say fans aren't loud like in other arenas, that's because they are educated fans not band wagoner fans like other nhl teams have, only show up when they win and don't even know what they are watching. CORE 4 should stay together no matter what media and fans say in Toronto. ..get rid of coach number 1 he is way to soft for an elite team like this, this team has it All.but no leadership. Get some stellar defenseman and know one will come through the slot. Or get to the net...leafs are amazing team to watch but always leave an opening for others to capitalize. ..
Not a Leafs fan but I was rooting for them to finally get over the Bruins here. I grew up in LA a Kings fan during the Gretzky era. Then living in Las Vegas got seasons for the 17-18 Knights first season. As such I saw the Kings slay their futility in ‘12 and then put icing on it in ‘14 and then watched the Knights get a cup in just their 6th season. The fact that this is happening to Toronto is hard to watch as a neutral observer. There was so much at stake here - beating BOS in a series for first time since 1959. Finally winning a game 7 after 6 failures. BOS potentially blowing 3-1 lead in back to back seasons. I guess it’s because I’ve spent time in Toronto for work and truly believe it is one of North America’s great cities. The citizens of Toronto deserve better. I have to imagine after this series wholesale changes are coming.
Glad u got to watch some cups. Us losers will never see anything. Fucking cursed 😭
Call the whambulance for the Leafs fans!
Agree 100%
Got on my blue arm band in mourning
Feels like this was the year to beat the Bruins if they were to do it. This team can't do it honestly. Hopefully you guys get just one season which ends in success, the misery has lasted long enough now.
Id trade bout 4 right off the bat , plus can Keefe n Shanahan
lets see what keith does.
🎶Turn out the lights 🎵 the party's over🎶🎻
It’s not just the Bruins. They are clutchless overall. Btw…both netminders are injury prone. Leafs need a solid #1.
“Credit to Sammy” ? You can’t be serious. Both goals were weak, he’s a terrible goalie.
He finally made some saves. I actually expected TML to be down 4-0 after 2. Granted, a lot of that is because the Leafs finally decided to play defense, but still.
The tying goal should have been saved, for sure, but the winning goal was Marner and Reilley's fault.
@@davidpfeffer1525 Sammy played the OT goal badly. Both goals are on him.
@@tml184 He did play it badly, but Marner or Reilly should have gotten to the puck, or slowed Pasta down, first.
It's Sammy's fault they only scored 1 goal?
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Clean Fuckin house!
Please don't.